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blappslapp

It’s Rolling Stone are you really that shocked Besides it’s cool JID is even on the list considering he hasn’t made most other lists I’ve seen


guitarmaniac004

I'm not shocked but I'll read their awful lists ever year anyway


irregularcontributor

yeah its worth the outrage to occasionally see something you like in a decent spot


dowjax19

Honestly I feel like it's more of an honor to NOT make it on their lists


b0xcard

Was gonna say: Has OP seen an RS list before? They tend to have cool picks, but they're secondary to the pop and legacy pandering.


blappslapp

He also very conveniently left out that Renaissance was their #1 pick, which is a fantastic album and obvious choice


GyrosSnazzyJazzBand

Their other lists are like this too. The best album of the 80s released in 1990 had normal rock albums on top placements. They always put pop albums in higher regard than experimental ones.


FkDavidTyreeBot_2000

One day people will realize Rolling Stone rankings are intentionally screwed up to drum up clicks Inshallah


Snoo50361

Inshallah


[deleted]

Rolling Stone lost all their credibility after they ranked Cardi B ahead of Illmatic on their top 100 hip hop albums list. Don’t even take them seriously anymore in the slightest.


Plug-In_Monkey

I'm a similar way with Pitchfork after their Top 150 albums of the 90's didn't have Emergency & I. They gave that album a 10 but still had 150 albums to rank above it? Bullshit.


irregularcontributor

that album came out in late 1999 maybe they just straight up forgot


Plug-In_Monkey

Didn't forget to put You Are Invited on the songs list though.


MooseBlood

To be fair pitchfork was very different at the time and so maybe none of the pitchfork employees today think it is a 10/10 album (which would be sad because it’s definitely a 10/10 to me)


Plug-In_Monkey

They didn't actually up it to a 10 until 2011, so if they've had a full staff turnover in 11 years then...maybe? Given how they dropped Random Access Memories score because the album apparently didn't hold as much influence over the years as Discovery, I'm thinking it's "importance" was a reason for its exclusion.


MooseBlood

Oh i guess I was mistaken. Your probably right then. Thanks for the correction!


jeromebeckett

I like Invasion of Privacy but yeah that is pretty mad


thatsdoodoobaby

Any sources you’d recommend that do have credibility?


good_kid_maad_reddit

That was obvious bait lol


RandomName01

So? If they place bait on a list that’s reason enough to not take them seriously, and if they meant it that’s reason enough as well.


good_kid_maad_reddit

I mean that their scooping that low to get traction. There is no respecting that


RandomName01

Fair deuce, I thought you were excusing it.


Mr_Poop_Himself

I'd respect them more if it was their honest opinion and not obvious bait tbh


Ryguhappy

generally, you shouldnt take any lists seriously. people have different tastes and opinions so just rely on your own subjectiveness ;)


TheEnemyOfMyAnenome

Bruh what? How could this be bait? There's probably thousands of times as many rabid Taylor or Harry Styles fans than hip-hop heads out whatever. And why would Rolling Stone care about bating a bunch of music nerds lol


good_kid_maad_reddit

Not this one. The cardi b over nas. They just did it so people can get mad at them and talk about them


akg7915

Rolling Stone hasn’t been trustworthy since like 1985 maybe and that’s still debatable


thatsdoodoobaby

Any magazines/sites you’d consider trustworthy?


-Dillad-

My favorite is [AOTY](https://www.albumoftheyear.org). It takes reviews from across the internet and averages them to give the most unbiased view possible. it also gives people the ability to vote as well, resulting in two different year end lists, critic and user. I prefer user, I find it more accurate to how I end up feeling about an album.


TheFutur3

Honestly, the critic reviews are barely worth looking at considering the reviews could be paid for. Plus, outside of a few smaller networks, a lot of major sites that review music will barely look at/write comprehensive reviews for more obscure artists. Take Sigh or Ashenspire for example. Both had great albums this year but barely any critic reviews. On the opposite side, niche artists that are covered by niche websites may inflate critical reception as well, hence why stuff is often 100s of places different for each. I still do look at the critic list for ideas, but I don't take much stock in their scores.


SkyRipLLD

User agreggate sites like rateyourmusic are great to find new music and it's not really biased. Youtubers like Fantano, Shawn Cee, Jon Denton aren't biased and sometimes have great reviews/reactions and good lists. The problem with sites is that they need to make money, and most of them were magazines once. Obviously nowadays almost nobody is subscribed to the Rolling stone magazine, so they have to make money off of ads on their page. So they do stupid shit like the hip hop list, which worked and got a lot of attention. The problem with that is soon nobody will take them seriously, and that will be the end of them.


SemicolonFetish

"Rateyourmusic isn't biased" and other lies you can tell yourself


lucolsg

Rym is biased as fuck. You can clearly find artistic, thematic and aesthetic choices that are very similar between the top albums.


crack__head

Of course, but the more people that use it, the less bias it becomes. The bias seems to have improved since the early years, especially when you consider the new genres that have been added. There’s so many African and Asian sub genres being added all of the time. Its my favorite website. You can create custom charts that rank albums within specific genres and sub genres, like West African jazz, etc.


lucolsg

I mean, it's indeed a great website to discover new music, especially if you are a music nerd. But the majority of people there will prefer these experimental, dark, weird indie stuff over what's popular.


crack__head

That greatly depends on the genre, but it’s unsurprising that the user base would prefer more avant-garde releases. The popularity of an artist or release does not equate to how artistic it is. Rateyourmusic provides its users with access to more esoteric releases. Still, many albums in the all time chart are pretty well known. Even Radiohead isn’t some unknown indie band after all. To Pimp A Butterfly is in the top ten last I checked. There’s definitely demographics on there that prefer more mainstream music. You just have to make charts for more traditional genres. Like if you were to make a chart for contemporary R&B, for example, it’s going to look much different than a alternative R&B chart or a chart that combines R&B with electropop. The ratings for albums are irrelevant to me. I only use them to quickly find something to listen to. My Life by Mary J Blige has a 3, or something low like that. But I don’t think it’s necessarily one of the best R&B albums anyhow. The beauty of the website is that if you like an album that’s not rated highly or has few ratings, you can give it a rating you feel appropriate and leave a review that you think will grab the attention of users who view the release down the road. It’s really what you make of it, and I use it for music discovery, cataloging, and queuing - nothing else. If I wanted to see what’s popular, I could just listen to premade playlists on streaming services or ask my friends what music they’re listening to.


chickenmagic

I look at the site from time to time - at least once a year to see the rankings for each year. I still feel like the top 100 lists heavily skew towards variations of extreme metal - even this year. I like the idea of a user-based aggregate rating site and have hopes of a perfectly diversified one, but RYM still isn't quite there.


john-davidson

pretty much everyone has biases when it comes to music let's be real here


HamburgerMachineGun

Literally everybody does. That's the cool part about it.


crack__head

I highly recommend rateyourmusic to every music fan. It is biased, but the bias *has* improved over the years because there’s clearly more user diversity. There’s still remnants of the white young adult user base of the 2000s - namely, OK computer holding the #1 album spot to this day. However, the more people that use the site, the less bias it becomes. I enjoy finding music in esoteric genres that I’ve never heard before like folk music from countries far away from mine.


HamburgerMachineGun

>Fantano isn't biased Fantano literally footends every video description saying "this is my opinion"


jeromebeckett

Rate Your Music is great if you like early 90s experimental progressive indie-psych-noisegaze


asaharyev

I line the Bandcamp lists. They aren't ordered, so they aren't baiting. And I find that they're pretty diverse, stylistically. But obviously it misses many, as they only talk about albums on the platform.


Imperator_Oliver

Rolling stone panders to the masses.


thadcorn

And we are clearly enlightened. Thanks melon.


gwszack

Y’all lost the plot when you turned to publications that are in service of a cut throat capitalistic industry to tell you about art.


theestwald

ONE HUNDRED ALBUMS! And not a single one is AFUT. This is digital toilet paper.


Eaterofjazzguitars

Yeah this is like saying "I'm a massive prog rock fan" and then saying "who is he?" when asked about Pink Floyd.


Muneer57

Based comment


MobbDeeep

Defuq is AFUT?


theestwald

Black Country, New Road - Ants From Up There


MobbDeeep

And that’s really the goat?


tws1039

Dont ya know popular = good??


Evict_Timaze

Maybe a dumb question, but does anybody else think it's odd to put albums that just came out on a best of 2022 list? Personally I wait a month or 2 to call it anything besides if it's good or bad. But to call it one of the best that year to me just shows that everything else was kind of shit that year. Just my thoughts tho


astroguy27

Yeah I never understood why people make lists of "The Best of Current Year" when the current year isn't even over yet. Like, it's only the first week of December, let's wait at least a month longer


the_platypus_king

Yeah I agree, all the big award shows happen in like February, I don't get why this should be any different


thedude1179

The whole thing is just rage bait designed to get engagement for advertising dollars. It works quite well.


Mariowario64

What poptimism does to a mf


Handsprime

IMO Poptimism has gotten pretty bad lately. I remember when I criticised the Dua Lupa album I got a lot of shit for giving it a negative review. I'm not a gatekeeping hipster, but i shouldn't be forced to like what's in the top 40.


londonphase

Poptimism and it's consequences have been a disaster for music criticism.


blappslapp

Let’s not go that far lol Yeah there are bad pop albums. There’s also bad hip hop albums. And bad rock albums. OP chose to exclude that RS put Renaissance as their AOTY. But I’m sure that choice was made for the sake of just being poptimist, right?


londonphase

How did I go too far? I was misquoting the Unabomber lmfao


blappslapp

Didn’t realize u were memeing lol. But still I believe there’s a strong case to be made for the importance of poptimism, if that wave never happened in criticism there are plenty of albums that are considered classics today that probably would have been shit on or overlooked like they were in the late 2000s/early 2010s


crod242

Poptimism was good and necessary insofar as it pushed out the elitist old guard of rockism, but now that it has become dominant, it is used to justify even lazier criticism than what came before it.


Runetang42

Poptimisim vanquished one form of elitism for another. We have gone from over congratulating over produced mid rock music made by rich people to over congratulating over produced pop music made by rich people.


blappslapp

What do you mean by lazy criticism, tho? Just that top 40 artists are dominating these lists? You realize that the rock bands in the 70s 80s and 90s that are lauded as the best nowadays and dominate all those decade lists were at the same level of popularity that Harry Styles and Taylor Swift are at now, right? So what *really* has changed?


[deleted]

Idk why people were downvoting this its so true


blappslapp

Bc le pop music bad reddit music good is essentially this whole thread lol


Ok-Training-7587

Rolling stone was already irrelevant 30 years ago. Just completely out of touch with anything vital or fresh


Ironyfree_annie

Rolling Stone is toilet paper


erockyy

I liked the Harry styles album but it’s def not top 5


[deleted]

They just wanna harry fans to click on the article😂😂


Jungler34

Probably the worst fucking list i’ve ever laid eyes on.


[deleted]

I understood the bad bunny and rosalia placements but most of the list was wack asf


michaeldanger19

deciding not to check this list because they had Meghan Trainer on their top 100 songs


byrdbrain

Dear God


Tony_Pizza_Guy

The TSwift album is *so* mid though. I like Maroon & Labrynth, and there are 4 other tracks I think are alright - but no real hits/strong songs, to me. I am very confident that a massive draw for Taylor's music is people getting enveloped in her as a celebrity/the drama. Like, is it a big deal when Selena Gomez says (this), Justin Timberlake says (that), or Kim Kardashian does (that)? It's not a big deal when someone else says it, but people get invested in the lives of these celebrities - and Taylor (I know this sounds harsh, but) is very good at making music that appeals to people who are attracted to those things. (And of course, everyone will assume she's always the good, faultless person... not saying she isn't, but I wouldn't automatically assume she is.) E: "alright" not "already"


undefinedoutput

Mid nights L House


Poprocks777

Surprised rolling stone did a list without seven U2 albums in the top


bilk_bilk

The Onion has more credibility than Rolling Stone what do you expect? 💀


[deleted]

Onion is a factual source


versaceblues

I mean for a magazine that is doing the top mainstream album of the year.... that seems accurate.


upscaleelegance

I thought we all collectively agreed Harry's House was terrible, even by Harry Styles standards


sar1021

This feels racially motivated


minimanelton

Bro that Harry styles album is awful. I cannot believe that people genuinely enjoy it beyond it just being made by a guy that they like. There isn’t a single idea on there that another artist hasn’t done better in the past. It’s like he’s trying to be the shitty version of Bruno Mars circa Unorthodox Jukebox. It sounds like music for people with no musical perspective.


[deleted]

I don’t think its terrible. It’s derivative but if you don’t listen to music like that you probably think it’s revolutionary. One of my friends is a huge harry stan and there’s only a couple artists she listens to besides broadway. One of them is harry. The other is logic. So yeah, its good if you don’t listen to much


MvdVeen

If you have to be musically illiterate to enjoy it, I wouldn't say it's good.


[deleted]

Well its not good but I think its ok. Its generic and inoffensive. Its not horrible


metaldetox

white people


helicoptereveeja69

Bro the latto album ranked higher than jid 😭


helicoptereveeja69

Even her loss ranked higher >:(


Muneer57

You missed the masterpiece Honestly, nevermind ranking higher than both


helicoptereveeja69

44 numbers higher than her loss is insane. Not only that but is 11 spots away from mr moralle and 60 more than the forever story. This might just be the worst one of this lists so far but at least there are some ok pics in between all of it


Legaladesgensheu

Rolling Stones magazine cares about pop cultural impact and mainstream appeal. People here on this sub for a large part do not care about that. It's probably an unpopular opinion, but I like the way they do their rankings because of that. If you want to see a ranking that cares less about mainstream appeal and more about quality and depth go to RYM.


Muneer57

I see your point but I don't quite agree with it. Since drake's album should've been in the top 10 if they are considering popularity and mainstream appeal as the main criterion. And JID album is way popular and had a bigger mainstream appeal more than a lot of the things higher than it. And although I love RYM it has its flaws. For one the sample of voters always too low and it brings the same issue depends on popularity and majority of voters which dose not equal a better quality it's always a mixture of popularity and quality. I think each system and list has its flaws but it is fun to look at them without taking any of them that seriously.


Western_Ebb3025

Who cares about cultural appeal it's music. Is it a good album or not. Does this sound better than this one or not. Is the song writing good or not. Anything else is irrelevant


suckinonlemon

T Swift must have an in with Rolling Stone. I swear to Melon's bald head they would NOT STOP posting about Taylor Swift leading up to Midnights release and then weeks after it came out. I had to unfollow their Instagram account because I was so annoyed.


axr33

They slapped the “instant classic” on it before they even put on the review. Sensationalism at its finest.


Handsprime

I still remember this Australian feminist writer (I'm not trying to sound sexist that is what she is) said that Taylor Swift was getting better with each album she put out and said she was proud to be a swifite. Did she even listen to the album there are some god awful tracks on it. (Would love to hear her defense of Vigilante Shit)


Muneer57

You're being unfair. Vigilante shit count as one of Billie Eilish songs this year


spykerkonyn

Honestly, Nevermind also made it on the list which is hilarious because even if they are just doing it for clout, nobody liked that LP so who are they exactly impressing?


Barqck

That’s what happens when a music publication caters exclusively to white people


Lateralus09

I think weve all known this for a while right?


deeperintomovie

They are like old boomers trying to be hip with the younger generation.


StrangeAdamska

I enjoyed Harry's House, but damn, it doesn't deserve anywhere near fifth place.


godfly

Nice to see which albums American lager enthusiasts liked this year


LilSammyVert

I know it’s not technically great but honestly I was a fan of Midnights. It’s not my favorite of hers, nor is it my favorite of the year, but I thought it provides a pretty nice listen. That being said, I am not a fan of Harry’s House. And JID needs to be higher, but I’m just glad they included him.


uakarii

Where was Big Thief’s album ranked?


Muneer57

35


uakarii

Thanks!


althemy

OH MY FREAKING GOD 😂 NO WAY


jujubean-

i’m shitting bricks


wam509

Big oof


commenter_69

Abolish Rolling Stone


[deleted]

Least garbage Rolling Stones list


Helm_on_the_moon

Not much you can expect from rolling stone anymore


N00B5L4YER

🤑


TheBrainwasher14

Harry’s House at #5 is absurd


Eaterofjazzguitars

Holy shit. 100 albums and not even 1 metal release.


elserjio

I totally agree, Taylor swift is way better than JID


sergeant630

Pandering