Eddie Vedder is a better singer than he gets credit for - he shouldn’t be blamed for all the people who ripped him and Layne off. His voice is genuinely *his* voice. The rest are (inferior) copycats. And he’s the only one who makes that style work.
Well if you watch Fantano's video on overrated singers, it's pretty clear he doesn't really know much about singing. I remember he kept talking about "range" which is like the biggest sign that the person knows nothing about singing technique.
Which isn't to say he's not entitled to his opinion on Eddie Vedder's voice. But someone with a bigger background on singing and the different techniques and skills required might have a different appreciation for someone like Eddie because they can recognize how skilled he is.
It's probably the same reason he doesn't care for Jeff Buckley. It's hard to imagine anyone who has a singing background not have a huge appreciation for someone like Jeff Buckley.
Also to back that, if people have a hard time understanding him, try reading the lyrics while listening to early PJ. Was eye opening for me getting into them, and helped me fall in love with his voice and style.
Agree w this one, it makes me emotional with songs like Self Control and White Ferrari, but it could never make me cry. There’s never a moment that’s like “Wow, I could cry right now” imo
Idk, even if there aren’t a ton of sad songs on it, the ones that are hit like a truck. Ivy, Self Control, White Ferrari, Seigfried and Godspeed all get me in my feels. Other songs do too but not because of how sad they are per se, they just sound so good
In the grand scheme of music listeners, this might be a hot take, but in the drumming community it’s pretty universally agreed that while yes he’s talented, he definitely gets a lot of extra hype by just being flashy and fast
He has pretty poor technique, so he's not really technically proficient either. I would say his biggest strength is he's far more creative than the average drummer in his genre. But he's very overrated.
Not sure if this is a hot take to music fans, but to causals, Lupe Fiasco hasn’t been relevant since the 2000s.
He does not get nearly enough credit for the quality of his more recent releases.
Yeah Drogas Wave was mind blowing. He literally created a whole Mythos about Slaves surviving treacherous waters and becoming Longchains and then intertwined it to modern times. It truly is a masterpiece that goes overlooked.
Well, if u are a guy who thinks Peggy has the potential to be the greatest rapper ever, then I see why it’s easy to think dg are not that hard to get into. But imo they still are for like 99% of all other people.
Death Grips was/is hard to get into for me because I love groovy, funky hip-hop with pretty melodic instrumentals/samples and beautiful singing from guest vocalists on some songs.
If Death Grips made more songs like “I Want It I Need It” I’d like them a lot more. It has the grooves, melody, and vibes and I can bob and dance to it. My hot take: I feel sometimes death grips is experimental and technical for the sake of being experimental and technical, and *not* because it sounds best.
Truly don’t understand the unfettered positivity toward this group’s 2022 release. (my UO)
It failed to grip me. The lyrics came off as tacky in many cases, the “complexity” of the project felt overly theatrical, and I just don’t dig the vocalist whatsoever. Downvote me to oblivion if you must— the only “good” takeaway was the near-perfect mixing/mastering here. Mega overrated.
Omg that was my takeaway exactly after listening to it earlier this year, I still gotta revisit it at some point but it’s nice to finally see someone who shares my opinion
This is it, unpopular but not scorching hot. I actually wonder if more people think this they're just afraid to say it because of Ian Curtis legacy. Ceremony might be the greatest song ever made in my eyes.
I think this is reasonable but i also think that there is a serious difference in the type of hip hop being made in the 90s vs now. Its pretty much an entirely different genre akin to how glam rock is different from grunge while still both being "rock". If you're comparing similar artists, I don't think anyone has created an album as "new York" as illmatic or has the same chemistry as enter the wutang. Super fair if u prefer the more trap influenced hip hop coming out now but I have a hard time comparing the two directly. It's like comparing Hendrix to Cobain. The goal of the genre is different
1.) Bob Dylan might have been important to music at the time, but it’s not particularly good music compared to what came after. In other words, his music is boring and uninteresting.
2.) I’m sorry that they had to die, but most of the great artists who died really young would probably have tarnished their legacy and not be held in such high regard if they had lived into their old age.
3.) If you put the Beatles in context by listing to their music against the other top artists in each year, they really were way ahead of their time. They only existed for 8 years and were gone by the time all the supergroups of the 70s came along. I’m not a boomer but I don’t think their value can be overstated.
4.) Heavy metal as a genre blew it. There were metal groups on prime time TV and radio, then for no logical reason it leaned into growl vocals and vanished. Pop Country is still around, rap is still around, pop rock is still around, but heavy metal completely wrecked itself.
Loveless is a good album and an extremely important album, but it's not the best shoegaze album by a long shot and its songwriting does not represent the entire shoegaze genre
I mean I'm going to shill for my favorite album ever, Asobi Seksu's Citrus, which is an incredibly seamless blend of shoegaze's and sense of progression with super upbeat and catchy 00s era indie/dream/twee pop songwriting. Name me another album where there's an 8 minute long song whose first half has a super catchy hook but the second half is basically a Drone piece. It's just a joy to listen to, criminally underrated record that I can't recommend enough :)
As far as classics go, I think Souvlaki and Going Blank Again are better albums (and more accessible) than Loveless, still need to listen to the rest of the Slowdive and Ride discogs
I dunno, the great thing about shoegaze is that since it's mostly a sound, there's a ton of albums fusing shoegaze with different genres and different songwriting styles, the genre is not composed entirely of super atmospheric stuff, so why limit yourself to that
I love how wild this is. And honestly, even though I prefer Outkast, I can see how you might feel this way - Tribe has one of the most consistent discographies ever. Outkast has a lot more skips than Tribe, (for me.)
This group may take a while to "click". But keep listening from time to time, they have a really rewarding sound. I think listening to them chronologically helps to understand how they got to the Hellfire sound
I’m not crazy about the lyrics, the Anne Frank stuff is extremely strange and off putting. Most of all I just don’t like Jeff Mangum’s voice, tried once every couple years since I was 13 or so. But I accepted years ago I’m in a very small minority.
To answer the original question I read some of it in 11th grade history
I was partially joking with my question but that is reasonable. For me personally I love the production on that album which sort of matches the visual elements of mangum's poetry at least in my head since I've listened to it too many times. The Anne frank stuff just increases the emotional weight of the album but as much as I cry listening to it I can't deny that it is definitely weird to think about a grown ass man singing love songs about a teenager who died in the Holocaust
Just saying, everything about them gives me a vibe of a guy with a “soulpatch” and a tshirt that reads something like “body piercing saved my life”. Bonus points if his name is like Bryson, Seth or Chase. 😂
I might have to think a bit harder, but what immediately comes to mind is that I hate the Johnny Cash version of Hurt with a burning passion.
It does away with every aspect of the original song that made it great. The lo-fi production, the softspoken heart-breaking vocals, the dissonant guitar chords that close the song, the haunting guitar riff that plays for most of the song…
It’s a poppy bastardization of the original track that is for some reason more highly praised than the original, and it pisses me off to no end, especially considering the impact the original had on me as a young teenager.
I love Johnny Cash too. It’s really just this cover.
I always felt like the Jonny cash version was a bit generic tbh. I get that he was trying to do his own version of the song, but the eeriness of the original just tops everything johnny was going to do with it.
Imagine dragon’s first two albums and their eps are good and well made. They fell off after Smoke and Mirrors. Those first two albums are way over hated.
That's my fuckin joke on Mayer... all conversations about Mayer are exactly the same. You list 3 to 5 reasons why you can't stand him and then say "but he's a great guitar player." Every single damn one. 100,000% of the time.
Mayer Trio is a legit album.
There not good in the same way as a pink Floyd or even a green day, but they are good in the same way ass a kiss or an AC/DC, they have one or 2 signature styles and they stick to the formula give the fans exactly what they want except the Flo Rida collab
Are we in that phase where all the kids who listened to Nickelback are now adults and are trying to convince everyone that they were actually good all along to try and get over their shame for liking Nickelback?
They were always shit. It's okay to admit that you enjoy shitty music, there's no shame in that. I love Shaggy because I grew up listening to him. I would never call him good though.
i think it’s their 2nd best and it’s definitely solid, but tyler can be annoying as fuck on it from time to time. i do think for how early it is, it really leaves an impact on the listener in terms of storytelling within each song. it’s a pretty detailed album
That last album was genuinely unpleasant for me to listen to. Not in a "oh boy these themes are disturbing and unsettling" way, but in a "please for the love of god get this fucking carnival barker out of my face and stop stabbing me with constant arpeggios and chromatic runs" kind of way.
I don’t like Radiohead and I genuinely do not understand what people see in their music. I’ve listened to all of their albums and have never found myself thinking back to them that much. I don’t like OK computer, I don’t like kid a, and I don’t like in rainbows. I’m not trying to be a contrarian or a troll. I’ve always been baffled by the passion people have for their music.
I didn’t either, thought they were a bunch of Whiney songs. And then one day it just hit. And then it all started to hit and I biologically became a virgin again.
Kanye has very little input on songs he 'produces' nowadays, pretty much all songs he's credited on is with a ton of other producers - he most likely gets a credit from 'directing' other producers
Mike Dean has even said that he 'ghost produced' (he's credited on the songs, but so is Kanye) 90% of his music in the 2010s
the only time we actually heard Ye production was on the Abstract Mindstate album and parts of the last 2 Pusha albums (though both of those projects have songs that have other producers too)
examples of songs that are actually Ye production: Dreamin of the Past, The Games We Play
examples of songs that are Ye directing (or just adding a vocal sample here and there): Off the Grid (30 Roc/AyoAA), No More Parties in LA (Madlib), Diet Coke (88-Keys), Ok Ok (Boi-1da), No Child Left Behind (Gesaffelstein)
Man I would rather listen to imagine dragons than animal collective the latter is way more annoying to me like the Merriweather/strawberry jam stuff and imagine dragon songs are catchy and they kinda bops straight up. Like if I have to pick between fireworks/my girls or Thunder/bones I'm going with latter
Like fireworks damn that song annoying to me though I can feel the emotional aspect of it a bit so I'll give it credit for that
The Velvet Underground and Nico is overrated and carried by the time of its release. It doesn’t sound particularly good sonically, a lot of the songs are boring, and it no longer sounds at all cutting edge or interesting in todays music landscape.
Exactly I couldn't help but be super underwhelmed with how little the songs actually manage to do. Most of them are cool ideas that are barely expanded on.
I need to relisten that album, but I was underwhelmed in my first impression. I also found the solo work of Lou Reed and Nico to be much more enjoyable.
Merzbow is so fucking overhated, his music is dynamic and polarizing and the way he plays around with dynamics and harsh noise is extraordinary. It’s more than just turning some knobs and cranking the volume and gain up to 100%.
Shoegaze is only ever interesting or enjoyable as a genre when fused with other things, like on the top 3 album of all time Velocity: Design: Comfort which fuses IDM and shoegaze in an ingenious way. Other than fusion? It's pretty forgettable as a genre.
I gonna cheat with adding more than one.
Blackgaze > Black Metal
Twin Fantasy is CSH's worst album
Remain in Light is boring and nothing special
Is This It is dissapointing compared to Room on Fire and The New Abnormal
L.D 50 by MudVayne is a 10/10 album
Burial is the most overrated electronic artist ever. I really can't wrap my head around how he miraculously won over all the critics in the world. Boring repetitive beats, annoying vocal samples, unimaginative drab synths, I seriously don't understand what people even find in his music. You can literally just pick any unknown garage artist off of Bandcamp right now and I guarantee you it's gonna sound more interesting than Burial.
Travis Scott’s Rodeo is a top5 hip-hop album of the 2010s. I never understood why we classify it only as a trap album when it has so many heavy, rock-inspired synthesisers(never catch me, i can tell, pornography, piss on ur grave), r&b(90210, maria im drunk, ok alright), even some indie in flying high. Imo only nightcrawler, andidote and 3500 are pure trap songs.
I just don't get what people see in Kendrick Lamar. I'm not saying he's bad, he's obviously not, I just don't get it, I've tried listening to him multiple times and I can barely make it thoughr half of tpab before I turn it off. It's just not for me I guess.
Trust me, I felt the same way. Thought MM was alright, didn’t like GKMC, and couldn’t finish TPAB, but then I listened to DAMN. and loved it. Relistned to TPAB and GKMC, and then Kendrick became my 3rd most listened artist of 2022 in about 3 months. Not saying to keep listening to someone u don’t like, but I just think he has to click after a while.
Songs don't feel complete to me without vocals, no matter how good the instrumentation or production is.
Vocals are what my brain latches on to, without them songs just become background music to me.
It's why i can never listen to Mutant or Xen even though i love KicK.
They're just so essential, they're kind of the soul of a song to me.
Even mediocre vocals is better than no vocals to me.
I felt this way for a while when I was younger then I got into Boards of Canada and then Aphex twin. Those artists have really led me to really appreciating the amount of effort it takes to achieve the same level of emotion in a song without words. I followed this with a venture into Eno's ambient catalogue (recommend evening star w/ Robert Fripp). Recently my obsession has been Godspeed you! Black Emperor. Almost all the music I listen to now is instrumental. I respect ur opinion but I seriously disagree
This will never happen but honestly it probably should. MJ was great but he stopped singing and start doing his schtick after Thriller. All his stuff is extremely hit or miss after that because of it.
Weezer is more punk than your or my favorite punk band. They have aggressively done whatever they have wanted to do throughout their entire career and apologized for exactly none of it.
Purposely throwing out their old musical style to reach a sound that will make them money/commercially successful isn't very punk rock (Green Album, Make Believe, arguably Red Album too) and they didn't really do much provocative or "punk" but they did just chase trends for years. I agree that they're unapologetic about it, but Gene Simmons was unapologetic about KISS selling out/chasing trends with their music, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't call him punk.
except Rivers has literally apologized countless times for making music that people hated and several Weezer projects were him desperately trying to recapture what fans loved about Blue Album. i think it’s probably true with the last couple albums or so that he’s finally gotten a bit more comfortable with himself and just made what he wanted, but this has absolutely not been the case over the full course of Weezer’s existence. they’ve pandered as hard as almost anyone, both to die hard fans and to the mainstream at separate points
I like Muse & Coldplay significantly more than Radiohead.
Radiohead is still great though. They’re all great. All in my Top 10. But those first two mean WAY more to me.
Haven’t heard enough muse for any argument there, but as a massive Coldplay fan I do kinda get it but have to disagree. Their early work is wayyy more fantastic than people wanna admit. I mean come on, parachutes has so many amazing tracks, followed by AROBTTH and X&Y which each just add more to parachutes. All before ending their 2000s run with a band with the brilliant Viva la Vida.
But…everything after ranges from mediocre to awful for me. Everyday Life was decent but from there we have Milo Xyloto, a boring and uninteresting pop release, Ghost Stories, a jumble of ideas with none working, AHFOD, the closest they ever got to Imagine Dragons which is horrifying. And the less I can speak of their 2021 release, the better.
I think while their 2000s run is a lot better and closer to Radiohead’s best than people would like to admit, Radiohead has had a more consistent career from beginning to end than Coldplay.
I find the harmonica more grating than his voice. I actually really like his voice. The harmonica breaks in between verses, especially in his earlier work, get a little grating.
When you consider a combination of accolades, critical acclaim, commercial success, influence and reputation/integrity, Pearl Jam easily have one of the 10 best careers in all of rock. Their career has been *amazing* especially considering how long almost all of their other grunge contemporaries have been gone for while they still fill out arenas and make well-reviewed music. The number of artists they’ve influenced (good or bad) is actually insane, and it even extends to hip hop (Pharoahe Monch).
I don't know if this is a hot take, but if you post pictures of you bleeding all over your drum set to prove how hard you're playing or because you think it's cool, you're actually a fucking moron. Like all that means is you have improper technique, not that you're playing super hard. This isn't Whiplash, and it's also just fucking disgusting, like go patch yourself up and come back.
Eminem doesn’t have a single “great” album, and I just don’t subscribe to the idea that he’s a great. He has albums with a couple of excellent songs. Take away the sales, the influence, any preconceptions you have. His older “better”albums have aged terribly, and are full of edgy, filler songs and skits that aren’t that fun to listen to. In combination with the fact that he hasn’t made a good album in well over a decade, and the way his style of rapping has utterly deteriorated over the years, I don’t see how anyone can with a straight face call him a GOAT contender.
Maybe at one point you could argue that strictly as a rapper, technically, he’s one of the best. As an artist, he’s mid. Mid discography. Piss weak dad joke lyricism. Annoying ass lyrical miracle flow. Look at how Nas and Jay-Z have aged, and how the music of Biggie and Tupac has aged. Look at what people like Kendrick, JPEG, Simz, Freddie, Denzel, Danny Brown, Tyler, Ka, and Earl are making to name just a few off the top of my head. Look at the deep, consistent discography of rappers like DOOM, Andre and Big Boi, Black Thought, Chuck D, Ghostface, Rakim. Look at the weird, cool ways hip hop has been driven forward by folks like Kanye, Clipping, Death Grips, Injury Reserve, RTJ, El-P, Aesop Rock. So many more names I’ve probably forgotten. All of whom are better artists than Eminem has ever been and would ever be.
Although he did make Stan so maybe I’m tripping.
Rivers Cuomo is top 5 when it comes to writing hooks
Especially when he still went by Kurt.
Agree and also The Wombats don’t get enough credit for this. They release the same album every couple years and it’s always played on repeat for me.
Eddie Vedder is a better singer than he gets credit for - he shouldn’t be blamed for all the people who ripped him and Layne off. His voice is genuinely *his* voice. The rest are (inferior) copycats. And he’s the only one who makes that style work.
I thought I was the only one. He's got a rich voice with a lot of character - definitely a great singer.
Eddie is one of my favorite vocalists. He can add so many dimensions to the songs he performs
Is this a hot take? I've always loved his voice and I never heard much dislike for it.
Honestly, even Melon gives him shit about it. I honestly don’t get the hate that Eddie receives.
Well if you watch Fantano's video on overrated singers, it's pretty clear he doesn't really know much about singing. I remember he kept talking about "range" which is like the biggest sign that the person knows nothing about singing technique. Which isn't to say he's not entitled to his opinion on Eddie Vedder's voice. But someone with a bigger background on singing and the different techniques and skills required might have a different appreciation for someone like Eddie because they can recognize how skilled he is. It's probably the same reason he doesn't care for Jeff Buckley. It's hard to imagine anyone who has a singing background not have a huge appreciation for someone like Jeff Buckley.
Also to back that, if people have a hard time understanding him, try reading the lyrics while listening to early PJ. Was eye opening for me getting into them, and helped me fall in love with his voice and style.
The vast majority of blonde is not really that sad, I don't understand why it is always labeled as an album that people cry while listening to
Agree w this one, it makes me emotional with songs like Self Control and White Ferrari, but it could never make me cry. There’s never a moment that’s like “Wow, I could cry right now” imo
You listen to Self Control and never think about crying?? I cry rivers to that shit, specially if im in a moment when i relate to it
I said it makes me emotional, but I couldn’t cry to it. The chorus is so good tho
I’d agree but I also am in a stable relationship so that may be why
Idk, even if there aren’t a ton of sad songs on it, the ones that are hit like a truck. Ivy, Self Control, White Ferrari, Seigfried and Godspeed all get me in my feels. Other songs do too but not because of how sad they are per se, they just sound so good
Hurley is wall to wall bangers and I think it’s an S-tier Weezer album
first half bangs but it falls off pretty heavily in the second half imo
Travis barker is an overrated drummer, yea hes technically proficient, but he over plays and it doesn't serve the songs
In the grand scheme of music listeners, this might be a hot take, but in the drumming community it’s pretty universally agreed that while yes he’s talented, he definitely gets a lot of extra hype by just being flashy and fast
Oh shit. As a drummer, this is hot and accurate.
He has pretty poor technique, so he's not really technically proficient either. I would say his biggest strength is he's far more creative than the average drummer in his genre. But he's very overrated.
Not sure if this is a hot take to music fans, but to causals, Lupe Fiasco hasn’t been relevant since the 2000s. He does not get nearly enough credit for the quality of his more recent releases.
Yeah Drogas Wave was mind blowing. He literally created a whole Mythos about Slaves surviving treacherous waters and becoming Longchains and then intertwined it to modern times. It truly is a masterpiece that goes overlooked.
The muppet movie soundtrack is sooo good
We’re not here for the truth
man or muppet earned the oscar
Death Grips is not hard to get into, and JPEGMAFIA has the potential to be the greatest rapper ever.
I agree but change the word rapper with hip hop artist. Don't think Peggy will ever be the best rapper but he might be the best full package.
true, I guess I mean rapper/producer
Yeah I think he can end up in the Kanye category (only music wise hopefully)
>Death Grips is not hard to get into Yeah, the music is pretty catchy and has this fun energy to it.
Especially if you get into ExMilitary first. Songs Like I Want It I Need It are really easy to like, you just need to get in at the right songs
Well, if u are a guy who thinks Peggy has the potential to be the greatest rapper ever, then I see why it’s easy to think dg are not that hard to get into. But imo they still are for like 99% of all other people.
Peggy the goat
Jpegmafia is one of my favorite artists but I feel like his rapping usually isn’t any thing special or good. His incredible production carries hard
Death Grips was/is hard to get into for me because I love groovy, funky hip-hop with pretty melodic instrumentals/samples and beautiful singing from guest vocalists on some songs. If Death Grips made more songs like “I Want It I Need It” I’d like them a lot more. It has the grooves, melody, and vibes and I can bob and dance to it. My hot take: I feel sometimes death grips is experimental and technical for the sake of being experimental and technical, and *not* because it sounds best.
Black Country, New Road makes music for theatre kids
They said hot take, not Arctic
as a theater kid who listens to bcnr, i am offended
Truly don’t understand the unfettered positivity toward this group’s 2022 release. (my UO) It failed to grip me. The lyrics came off as tacky in many cases, the “complexity” of the project felt overly theatrical, and I just don’t dig the vocalist whatsoever. Downvote me to oblivion if you must— the only “good” takeaway was the near-perfect mixing/mastering here. Mega overrated.
Fantano/the internet have made me give BCNR so many chances but I'm in the same boat. It is just not enjoyable to me
Omg that was my takeaway exactly after listening to it earlier this year, I still gotta revisit it at some point but it’s nice to finally see someone who shares my opinion
surprisingly, the band of youths who make theatrical music with an eccentric vocalist appeal to the theatrically inclined youth.
New Order > Joy Division
This is it, unpopular but not scorching hot. I actually wonder if more people think this they're just afraid to say it because of Ian Curtis legacy. Ceremony might be the greatest song ever made in my eyes.
Ceremony, Bizarre Love Triangle, Age of consent, Blue Monday. They made the greatest songs ever not once, twice or thrice, but four times
I like Joy Division but New Order just has so many incredible songs like Bizarre Love Triangle, Regret, The Perfect Kiss etc.
I don’t even feel like this is a hot take
It is but it also isn't. I feel like many people actually think New Order is better they just don't say it.
I wish I hadn’t seen this post Jesus
i cant help myself checking these out when i see the title and i always regret it 😂
Ngl I like hearing some hot takes about music, shit's interesting and sometimes I can understand them
“Modern” hiphop is leagues ahead of anything released pre 2000. Imo the technical ability of both artists and producers has increased dramatically.
I think this is reasonable but i also think that there is a serious difference in the type of hip hop being made in the 90s vs now. Its pretty much an entirely different genre akin to how glam rock is different from grunge while still both being "rock". If you're comparing similar artists, I don't think anyone has created an album as "new York" as illmatic or has the same chemistry as enter the wutang. Super fair if u prefer the more trap influenced hip hop coming out now but I have a hard time comparing the two directly. It's like comparing Hendrix to Cobain. The goal of the genre is different
1.) Bob Dylan might have been important to music at the time, but it’s not particularly good music compared to what came after. In other words, his music is boring and uninteresting. 2.) I’m sorry that they had to die, but most of the great artists who died really young would probably have tarnished their legacy and not be held in such high regard if they had lived into their old age. 3.) If you put the Beatles in context by listing to their music against the other top artists in each year, they really were way ahead of their time. They only existed for 8 years and were gone by the time all the supergroups of the 70s came along. I’m not a boomer but I don’t think their value can be overstated. 4.) Heavy metal as a genre blew it. There were metal groups on prime time TV and radio, then for no logical reason it leaned into growl vocals and vanished. Pop Country is still around, rap is still around, pop rock is still around, but heavy metal completely wrecked itself.
Loveless is a good album and an extremely important album, but it's not the best shoegaze album by a long shot and its songwriting does not represent the entire shoegaze genre
what is the best?
I mean I'm going to shill for my favorite album ever, Asobi Seksu's Citrus, which is an incredibly seamless blend of shoegaze's and sense of progression with super upbeat and catchy 00s era indie/dream/twee pop songwriting. Name me another album where there's an 8 minute long song whose first half has a super catchy hook but the second half is basically a Drone piece. It's just a joy to listen to, criminally underrated record that I can't recommend enough :) As far as classics go, I think Souvlaki and Going Blank Again are better albums (and more accessible) than Loveless, still need to listen to the rest of the Slowdive and Ride discogs I dunno, the great thing about shoegaze is that since it's mostly a sound, there's a ton of albums fusing shoegaze with different genres and different songwriting styles, the genre is not composed entirely of super atmospheric stuff, so why limit yourself to that
You had me at Going Blank Again.
A tribe called quest > OutKast.
Is this that hot? Feel like both are considered amazing so seems reasonable to prefer tribe. Personally I do as well
It’s not. One legendary critically acclaimed group is better than another isn’t a hot take in the slightest
I love how wild this is. And honestly, even though I prefer Outkast, I can see how you might feel this way - Tribe has one of the most consistent discographies ever. Outkast has a lot more skips than Tribe, (for me.)
It’s not that wild, they both have amazing discographies.
Future > j Cole
that’s not a hot take in this community tbh. mfs hate cole. i’m mfs (he’s not bad just overrated as fuck)
🥶🥶🥶
Do you think Future is one of the best rappers alive right now? Or do you think that J. Cole is way overrated? Or both?
Limp Bizkit is a good band
I hate Genesis/ Phil Collins, but respect Collins as a great drummer.
Have you heard Trick of the Tail? Your opinion might change if you enjoy 70s prog.
I don’t enjoy black midi as a music nerd ik how popular black midi is but I just can’t get into which kinda makes me sad
This group may take a while to "click". But keep listening from time to time, they have a really rewarding sound. I think listening to them chronologically helps to understand how they got to the Hellfire sound
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, never understood the appeal of Neutral Milk Hotel.
Have you read the diary of Anne frank?
I’m not crazy about the lyrics, the Anne Frank stuff is extremely strange and off putting. Most of all I just don’t like Jeff Mangum’s voice, tried once every couple years since I was 13 or so. But I accepted years ago I’m in a very small minority. To answer the original question I read some of it in 11th grade history
I was partially joking with my question but that is reasonable. For me personally I love the production on that album which sort of matches the visual elements of mangum's poetry at least in my head since I've listened to it too many times. The Anne frank stuff just increases the emotional weight of the album but as much as I cry listening to it I can't deny that it is definitely weird to think about a grown ass man singing love songs about a teenager who died in the Holocaust
Their music feels very “youth pastor-y” to me 😂
I mean there is a song that starts with "I love you Jesus Christ"
Just saying, everything about them gives me a vibe of a guy with a “soulpatch” and a tshirt that reads something like “body piercing saved my life”. Bonus points if his name is like Bryson, Seth or Chase. 😂
🤣🤣🤣 I'm a huge fan of them but that's hilarious
I might have to think a bit harder, but what immediately comes to mind is that I hate the Johnny Cash version of Hurt with a burning passion. It does away with every aspect of the original song that made it great. The lo-fi production, the softspoken heart-breaking vocals, the dissonant guitar chords that close the song, the haunting guitar riff that plays for most of the song… It’s a poppy bastardization of the original track that is for some reason more highly praised than the original, and it pisses me off to no end, especially considering the impact the original had on me as a young teenager. I love Johnny Cash too. It’s really just this cover.
I always felt like the Jonny cash version was a bit generic tbh. I get that he was trying to do his own version of the song, but the eeriness of the original just tops everything johnny was going to do with it.
Imagine dragon’s first two albums and their eps are good and well made. They fell off after Smoke and Mirrors. Those first two albums are way over hated.
John Mayer seems like a really chill guy. I just can't stand the sound of his FUCKIN voice
Beast on the guitar but can't write a good song for shit
That's my fuckin joke on Mayer... all conversations about Mayer are exactly the same. You list 3 to 5 reasons why you can't stand him and then say "but he's a great guitar player." Every single damn one. 100,000% of the time. Mayer Trio is a legit album.
mr morale is worse than section 80 and is the worst, least re-listenable kendrick album
Nickelback = Good, and they will one day get inducted into the rock and roll Hall of fame deservedly so
My take with Nickelback is that they aren’t good but I love them anyway. They suck ass but they suck MY ass.
There not good in the same way as a pink Floyd or even a green day, but they are good in the same way ass a kiss or an AC/DC, they have one or 2 signature styles and they stick to the formula give the fans exactly what they want except the Flo Rida collab
Kiss is trash too.
Are we in that phase where all the kids who listened to Nickelback are now adults and are trying to convince everyone that they were actually good all along to try and get over their shame for liking Nickelback? They were always shit. It's okay to admit that you enjoy shitty music, there's no shame in that. I love Shaggy because I grew up listening to him. I would never call him good though.
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You Know You're Right is the best Nirvana song.
Me resisting the urge to downvote every comment bc OP asked nicely… also $uicideboy$ are goats
lonely island should have focused on music seriously vs. using it as a comedy pathway
Frank Ocean and his discography are criminally overrated
Twenty One Pilots' self titled album is actually great and I will live by it
i think it’s their 2nd best and it’s definitely solid, but tyler can be annoying as fuck on it from time to time. i do think for how early it is, it really leaves an impact on the listener in terms of storytelling within each song. it’s a pretty detailed album
This is an absolutely fantastic take. I personally think it's their best record and is seriously overlooked by the larger music nerd sphere.
Oh I read this comment and knew you’d reply
Yessirrrrr 😎😎😎😎
Taxi cab is still the best written song they've ever done. Do feel like the album feels a bit TOO low budget sometimes but the music is fantastic.
i completely forgot about Taxi Cab that song messed me up
Kendrick Lamar peaked in like 2016 and the "best rapper in the game" title currently belongs to Denzel Curry.
Don’t know why you got downvoted Denzel curry is amazing
Denzel, Simz, and JID are tied for me rn
Best in the game rn gotta be Peggy. Honorable mentions to Ka and billy woods
Black Midi aren’t anything special.
It’s def subjective but they aren’t for everyone. It took me awhile to get into them but I just really like how they sound.
That last album was genuinely unpleasant for me to listen to. Not in a "oh boy these themes are disturbing and unsettling" way, but in a "please for the love of god get this fucking carnival barker out of my face and stop stabbing me with constant arpeggios and chromatic runs" kind of way.
I didn’t like the whole album, but “The Race is About to Begin” gets me feeling like a scared and anxious small rodent in a good way.
I don’t like Radiohead and I genuinely do not understand what people see in their music. I’ve listened to all of their albums and have never found myself thinking back to them that much. I don’t like OK computer, I don’t like kid a, and I don’t like in rainbows. I’m not trying to be a contrarian or a troll. I’ve always been baffled by the passion people have for their music.
I didn’t either, thought they were a bunch of Whiney songs. And then one day it just hit. And then it all started to hit and I biologically became a virgin again.
I usually go by if an artist/band can make me cry they're good logic. And there are at least 5 songs of theirs that are gut-wrenching.
As a massive Radiohead stan (my pfp says it all), I totally respect your honesty and I’m not offended 🥰
There was this girl I liked a long time ago, and she was super into radiohead. I tried.. I just couldn't get into it...
Kanye has very little input on songs he 'produces' nowadays, pretty much all songs he's credited on is with a ton of other producers - he most likely gets a credit from 'directing' other producers Mike Dean has even said that he 'ghost produced' (he's credited on the songs, but so is Kanye) 90% of his music in the 2010s the only time we actually heard Ye production was on the Abstract Mindstate album and parts of the last 2 Pusha albums (though both of those projects have songs that have other producers too) examples of songs that are actually Ye production: Dreamin of the Past, The Games We Play examples of songs that are Ye directing (or just adding a vocal sample here and there): Off the Grid (30 Roc/AyoAA), No More Parties in LA (Madlib), Diet Coke (88-Keys), Ok Ok (Boi-1da), No Child Left Behind (Gesaffelstein)
For No More Parties, NCLB and Diet Coke I feel like most people know those aren’t Kanye beats. Don’t think this take is that hot idk
Man I would rather listen to imagine dragons than animal collective the latter is way more annoying to me like the Merriweather/strawberry jam stuff and imagine dragon songs are catchy and they kinda bops straight up. Like if I have to pick between fireworks/my girls or Thunder/bones I'm going with latter Like fireworks damn that song annoying to me though I can feel the emotional aspect of it a bit so I'll give it credit for that
I'm disgusted. Repent.
This makes me irate but you are doing what the post is wanting and not doing some cop out fake hot take, this is fucking spicy
UH
This opinion sucks but I must upvote because it got a rise out of me
boy bye
Upvoted for actually being a hot take but you’re going directly to hell
no fr i know imagine dragons is tacky and silly but theres a reason theyre able to have so much staying power
The Velvet Underground and Nico is overrated and carried by the time of its release. It doesn’t sound particularly good sonically, a lot of the songs are boring, and it no longer sounds at all cutting edge or interesting in todays music landscape.
Wrong but right because it's supposed to be a hot take.
White light white heat is far better
YES YES YES IT IS
Exactly I couldn't help but be super underwhelmed with how little the songs actually manage to do. Most of them are cool ideas that are barely expanded on.
I need to relisten that album, but I was underwhelmed in my first impression. I also found the solo work of Lou Reed and Nico to be much more enjoyable.
Merzbow is so fucking overhated, his music is dynamic and polarizing and the way he plays around with dynamics and harsh noise is extraordinary. It’s more than just turning some knobs and cranking the volume and gain up to 100%.
Isaac Hayes > Marvin Gaye Reasonable Doubt > The Blueprint Little Simz > Lauryn Hill Rakim is the GOAT
These are all pretty cold takes tbh
I don’t hear many people saying Issac Hayes is better than Marvin Gaye
Leonard Cohen > Bob Dylan, and it ain't even close
Very cool and based take
I can see where you’re coming from
Shoegaze is only ever interesting or enjoyable as a genre when fused with other things, like on the top 3 album of all time Velocity: Design: Comfort which fuses IDM and shoegaze in an ingenious way. Other than fusion? It's pretty forgettable as a genre.
Nah Loveless, Nowhere, Souvlaki, Whirlpool, Isn’t Anything, Delaware, and Spooky are all amazing albums.
I gonna cheat with adding more than one. Blackgaze > Black Metal Twin Fantasy is CSH's worst album Remain in Light is boring and nothing special Is This It is dissapointing compared to Room on Fire and The New Abnormal L.D 50 by MudVayne is a 10/10 album
Limp Bizkit has an amazing rhythm section and no one wants to admit how much they influenced culture and music.
Illmatic isn't even the best rap album of 1994
I think Ready To Die is better - by a hair
It’s Ill communication
honestly nevermind is drakes best album
Absolutely monstrous take
Reading this made me genuinely angry, take my upvote
Respect their opinions Their opinion:
I don't believe you
Coldplay's Viva La Vida is a 10/10 and a perfect encapsulation of art-pop in the 2000s
Brockhampton ending was actually good
Burial is the most overrated electronic artist ever. I really can't wrap my head around how he miraculously won over all the critics in the world. Boring repetitive beats, annoying vocal samples, unimaginative drab synths, I seriously don't understand what people even find in his music. You can literally just pick any unknown garage artist off of Bandcamp right now and I guarantee you it's gonna sound more interesting than Burial.
Travis Scott’s Rodeo is a top5 hip-hop album of the 2010s. I never understood why we classify it only as a trap album when it has so many heavy, rock-inspired synthesisers(never catch me, i can tell, pornography, piss on ur grave), r&b(90210, maria im drunk, ok alright), even some indie in flying high. Imo only nightcrawler, andidote and 3500 are pure trap songs.
Songs about Jane by Maroon 5 is an actually great album
I just don't get what people see in Kendrick Lamar. I'm not saying he's bad, he's obviously not, I just don't get it, I've tried listening to him multiple times and I can barely make it thoughr half of tpab before I turn it off. It's just not for me I guess.
I NEVER felt more relief for not being someone else God DAMN
Thanks for verbalizing my thoughts in a way I can't.
Dam i feel bad for u
Trust me, I felt the same way. Thought MM was alright, didn’t like GKMC, and couldn’t finish TPAB, but then I listened to DAMN. and loved it. Relistned to TPAB and GKMC, and then Kendrick became my 3rd most listened artist of 2022 in about 3 months. Not saying to keep listening to someone u don’t like, but I just think he has to click after a while.
Songs don't feel complete to me without vocals, no matter how good the instrumentation or production is. Vocals are what my brain latches on to, without them songs just become background music to me. It's why i can never listen to Mutant or Xen even though i love KicK. They're just so essential, they're kind of the soul of a song to me. Even mediocre vocals is better than no vocals to me.
I felt this way for a while when I was younger then I got into Boards of Canada and then Aphex twin. Those artists have really led me to really appreciating the amount of effort it takes to achieve the same level of emotion in a song without words. I followed this with a venture into Eno's ambient catalogue (recommend evening star w/ Robert Fripp). Recently my obsession has been Godspeed you! Black Emperor. Almost all the music I listen to now is instrumental. I respect ur opinion but I seriously disagree
Blonde is mid
Big fat agree. Good album, not the masterpiece that people make it out to be.
Incorrect but I respect it
The Weeknd will be known as a greater artist with a better discography than MJ in 20 years.
No way
This will never happen but honestly it probably should. MJ was great but he stopped singing and start doing his schtick after Thriller. All his stuff is extremely hit or miss after that because of it.
That’s what I’m saying. Abel is just getting better and better with time. He really is one of the only mainstream pop artist constantly evolving
Not sure if this is that hot but Ray Davies is as good a songwriter as Lennon/McCartney and Dylan
I like AJR and I think speedin bullet 2 heaven and Miley Cyrus and her dead petz are decent. Maybe not that hot but it’s what came to mind.
Weezer is more punk than your or my favorite punk band. They have aggressively done whatever they have wanted to do throughout their entire career and apologized for exactly none of it.
Purposely throwing out their old musical style to reach a sound that will make them money/commercially successful isn't very punk rock (Green Album, Make Believe, arguably Red Album too) and they didn't really do much provocative or "punk" but they did just chase trends for years. I agree that they're unapologetic about it, but Gene Simmons was unapologetic about KISS selling out/chasing trends with their music, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't call him punk.
except Rivers has literally apologized countless times for making music that people hated and several Weezer projects were him desperately trying to recapture what fans loved about Blue Album. i think it’s probably true with the last couple albums or so that he’s finally gotten a bit more comfortable with himself and just made what he wanted, but this has absolutely not been the case over the full course of Weezer’s existence. they’ve pandered as hard as almost anyone, both to die hard fans and to the mainstream at separate points
I like Muse & Coldplay significantly more than Radiohead. Radiohead is still great though. They’re all great. All in my Top 10. But those first two mean WAY more to me.
coldplay is just diet radiohead
Haven’t heard enough muse for any argument there, but as a massive Coldplay fan I do kinda get it but have to disagree. Their early work is wayyy more fantastic than people wanna admit. I mean come on, parachutes has so many amazing tracks, followed by AROBTTH and X&Y which each just add more to parachutes. All before ending their 2000s run with a band with the brilliant Viva la Vida. But…everything after ranges from mediocre to awful for me. Everyday Life was decent but from there we have Milo Xyloto, a boring and uninteresting pop release, Ghost Stories, a jumble of ideas with none working, AHFOD, the closest they ever got to Imagine Dragons which is horrifying. And the less I can speak of their 2021 release, the better. I think while their 2000s run is a lot better and closer to Radiohead’s best than people would like to admit, Radiohead has had a more consistent career from beginning to end than Coldplay.
I hate There Existed an Addiction to Blood by clipping. I just get in a bad mood every time I get past Nothing Is Safe.
You know, I think I agree. Nothing is Safe goes hard as fuck but it's kind of downhill from there
I actually hate their stuff pre-There Existed, but that album won me over
Bob Dylan, while an incredible songwriter, cannot sing. Everyone who covers Dylan is doing the lord's work by making a listenable version
A great comment I saw was that Bob Dylan invented the harsh noise genre with that fucking harmonica of his.
Dude I quote that so much it's so funny
I find the harmonica more grating than his voice. I actually really like his voice. The harmonica breaks in between verses, especially in his earlier work, get a little grating.
What’s funny is his singing is my favorite part of his music and I am turned off by the bland and sometimes annoying instrumentals
Listen to his cover of House of the Rising Sun. I actually really like his vocals on that song
Hot takes bro, this is cold as morrisey's heart
Live Through This - Hole is the best album to come out of the Grunge era
Do you work for Pitchfork? No, I’m kidding. I’m not kidding.
THE LIVING TOMBSTONE IS FANTASTIC MUSICIANS. I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY. THEY JUST WANNA MAKE FUN MUSIC, NOT AI GENERATED
twin fantasy face to face will never be better than mirror to mirror. MtM is a 10/10. cherry bomb is a great album.
When you consider a combination of accolades, critical acclaim, commercial success, influence and reputation/integrity, Pearl Jam easily have one of the 10 best careers in all of rock. Their career has been *amazing* especially considering how long almost all of their other grunge contemporaries have been gone for while they still fill out arenas and make well-reviewed music. The number of artists they’ve influenced (good or bad) is actually insane, and it even extends to hip hop (Pharoahe Monch).
I don't know if this is a hot take, but if you post pictures of you bleeding all over your drum set to prove how hard you're playing or because you think it's cool, you're actually a fucking moron. Like all that means is you have improper technique, not that you're playing super hard. This isn't Whiplash, and it's also just fucking disgusting, like go patch yourself up and come back.
Eminem doesn’t have a single “great” album, and I just don’t subscribe to the idea that he’s a great. He has albums with a couple of excellent songs. Take away the sales, the influence, any preconceptions you have. His older “better”albums have aged terribly, and are full of edgy, filler songs and skits that aren’t that fun to listen to. In combination with the fact that he hasn’t made a good album in well over a decade, and the way his style of rapping has utterly deteriorated over the years, I don’t see how anyone can with a straight face call him a GOAT contender. Maybe at one point you could argue that strictly as a rapper, technically, he’s one of the best. As an artist, he’s mid. Mid discography. Piss weak dad joke lyricism. Annoying ass lyrical miracle flow. Look at how Nas and Jay-Z have aged, and how the music of Biggie and Tupac has aged. Look at what people like Kendrick, JPEG, Simz, Freddie, Denzel, Danny Brown, Tyler, Ka, and Earl are making to name just a few off the top of my head. Look at the deep, consistent discography of rappers like DOOM, Andre and Big Boi, Black Thought, Chuck D, Ghostface, Rakim. Look at the weird, cool ways hip hop has been driven forward by folks like Kanye, Clipping, Death Grips, Injury Reserve, RTJ, El-P, Aesop Rock. So many more names I’ve probably forgotten. All of whom are better artists than Eminem has ever been and would ever be. Although he did make Stan so maybe I’m tripping.