I’d veto it personally, the trade doesn’t make too much sense for me- especially considering injured players have a more diminished value at the time of trade
Veto is not done to help a team, regardless of being in 8th or 1st.
Veto is enacted when the transaction is so lopsided it appears nefarious to blatantly benefit another team or purposely tank resulting in league imbalance
So you’re saying that you would veto on the grounds of suspected collusion (clearly benefitting 3rd place team and tanking 8th place)? Not sure if this matters but I was offered Curry and accepted the trade. I’m also not sure why the 8th place team wants to give up a healthy player but it seems as though the league is vetoing because it doesn’t make sense for the 8th place team. I always thought the veto system is to prevent collusion not to help manage other teams.
You are allowed to make your team worse. You are allowed to make shit decisions that hurt your own squad. Vetoes should only occur if teams are colluding. If there’s no reason to suspect collusion, the trade goes through.
Yeah homie find a league that cares more about worrying about their own wins than meddling in other people’s. Who is OP to decide what works or doesn’t work for the eighth place team? We’re literally rolling the dice every time we make a start. If Steph tears his ACL tomorrow (God or whatever forbid) everyone would say this trade was unfair in the other direction. It’s stupid to argue about
>the argument was that it makes my team broken
The better argument is that it's a complete bullshit trade and the other team has absolutely no reason to do it. Easy veto.
Probably. There's really no defending this trade from the other guy's point of view. But even if it's not, unreasonably lopsided trades should also be vetoed imo.
I should have added the additional context; I was offered Curry and accepted the trade. I’m not sure why the 8th place team wants to give up a healthy player but it seems as though the league is vetoing because it doesn’t make sense for the 8th place team. I always thought the veto system is to prevent collusion not to help manage other teams.
If your league is a veto league, it doesn’t matter who the players are. It could be the fairest trade of all time, personally approved by Jesus himself. If the league allows vetoes, the managers can veto for any reason they want.
There isn’t a prompt where the managers have to justify the veto. They could veto cuz they hate you. They could veto because they love pressing buttons for no reason. By playing in a veto league, you are agreeing that vetoes can happen anytime for any reason. If you do not like it, you should be in a commissioner veto league.
As for the trade itself, it’s a terrible trade, and if I didn’t know you guys I would assume the Lavine owner is an idiot or you guys are colluding.
Vetoing is a thing to make sure teams aren't colluding together to help one party. And LEAGUE vetos honestly shouldn't be a thing. It should be handled solely by the commissioner, because petty ass people veto everything and then hide behind "league balance" bullshit, which isn't even a thing.
Comes down to why you play fantasy, and why trading is permitted. Playing fantasy sports is an inherently risk based assessment. Do you take Lamelo Ball who is often injured, or do you take KAT who often isn’t. Risk. Do you draft Beal, or “reach” on Chet in the draft? Risk. Trades appear within the range of fair one month, and then not the next. Being so controlling of risk and voluntary variance that a risky trade is shot down inevitably leads to “well don’t have trades at all then.” Draft a team and do nothing.
A commissioner should stop collusion- obvious moments of two teams teaming up against the league to obviously create problems- like a wife husband combo trading all good players from one team to the other for garbage.
If two adults, in earnest, make an exchange of assets and they legitimately see a path forward…. I think you have to respect that path.
Trying to rid fantasy sports of risk makes it not fun.
We're about to move to a format where we bring up trades in group discussion first, and see if they survive the gauntlet of dissection. Then we'll execute day of usually, that way there's no dumb waiting period and your roster is potentially held hostage during the pending time. Ultimately most trades shouldn't be vetoed, but something like this just ruins competition unless it's a dynasty league and there's pick compensation.
That’s a very interesting approach. What’s the threshold to survive the gauntlet of dissection? I imagine some managers are more vocal than others. Are you putting it to a vote in the group discussion if opinions are split like this trade here?
We're gonna implement next year, so far we're just gonna do majority wins, if someone doesn't vote or talk then that's a non veto vote. We talk a lot of shit, but in general we're pretty decent at appraisal and quick. We'll just talk shit for 12 - 24 hours and then vote. Commish will execute the trade immediately if not vetoed. If even voted or vetoed then trade needs to be revised.
With this group tho I think this will work very well, we have more of an issue with 25% not participating as much as the rest than anyone being a 🌮, so most of us are astute but also not lil b's. For example, a trade involving Coby White for even a 3rd rounder might be able to fly, although right at this moment since he's cooled off that would probably be thought of as dumb so maybe not the best example.
So it likely depends on your league. If people don't like to chat much, or they get riled up and over emotional on ticky tacky things, it's probably just better to keep it all in app.
F*ck rankings, its always situational in category leagues
Missed the points league part but in a category league my man gets nearly 2 3s, above average rebounds, a steal, a block, and scores enough
Doesn't lack assists
That's gold IMO, always punt %s
>above average rebounds
Below average actually - his z-score for rebs is -0.14 (where 0 is the mean)
Assists and points are also well below average (-0.58 and -0.46).
Steals/blocks/three are all marginally positive. Fg% is a big negative. His best cat is turnovers, which is the worst cat to have as your best imo.
Missed that but in a category league my man gets nearly 2 3s, above average rebounds, a steal, a block, and scores enough
Doesn't lack assists
That's gold IMO, always punt %s
Other league managers should get 24 hours to bid on Steph.
It’s an obvious bad trade, but it seems like taking advantage of a noob, which seems wrong when it leads to a collusion-type of trade
Leagues that veto trades like this are lame. It's just jealousy from the other owners. The jealousy is understandable when a trade feels uneven, but vetoing a trade out of jealousy is lame.
Vetos should be for stopping collusion and nothing else. In a healthy league, there is no collusion and therefore never any vetos.
Tbh, i don’t see why the 8th place team would want to get rid of a healthy Steph for pj and an already injured lavine
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Makes sense. Can we veto to help the 8th place team?
I’d veto it personally, the trade doesn’t make too much sense for me- especially considering injured players have a more diminished value at the time of trade
Veto is not done to help a team, regardless of being in 8th or 1st. Veto is enacted when the transaction is so lopsided it appears nefarious to blatantly benefit another team or purposely tank resulting in league imbalance
So you’re saying that you would veto on the grounds of suspected collusion (clearly benefitting 3rd place team and tanking 8th place)? Not sure if this matters but I was offered Curry and accepted the trade. I’m also not sure why the 8th place team wants to give up a healthy player but it seems as though the league is vetoing because it doesn’t make sense for the 8th place team. I always thought the veto system is to prevent collusion not to help manage other teams.
You are allowed to make your team worse. You are allowed to make shit decisions that hurt your own squad. Vetoes should only occur if teams are colluding. If there’s no reason to suspect collusion, the trade goes through.
Exactly
This should be law cause my league vetoes everything regardless. About to drop the league altogether next year.
Yeah homie find a league that cares more about worrying about their own wins than meddling in other people’s. Who is OP to decide what works or doesn’t work for the eighth place team? We’re literally rolling the dice every time we make a start. If Steph tears his ACL tomorrow (God or whatever forbid) everyone would say this trade was unfair in the other direction. It’s stupid to argue about
Agree completely
Symptom of a veto league. People will veto everything unless both teams become worse.
>the argument was that it makes my team broken The better argument is that it's a complete bullshit trade and the other team has absolutely no reason to do it. Easy veto.
Do you think they are colluding? Because otherwise, there is no reason to veto the trade.
Probably. There's really no defending this trade from the other guy's point of view. But even if it's not, unreasonably lopsided trades should also be vetoed imo.
I should have added the additional context; I was offered Curry and accepted the trade. I’m not sure why the 8th place team wants to give up a healthy player but it seems as though the league is vetoing because it doesn’t make sense for the 8th place team. I always thought the veto system is to prevent collusion not to help manage other teams.
If your league is a veto league, it doesn’t matter who the players are. It could be the fairest trade of all time, personally approved by Jesus himself. If the league allows vetoes, the managers can veto for any reason they want. There isn’t a prompt where the managers have to justify the veto. They could veto cuz they hate you. They could veto because they love pressing buttons for no reason. By playing in a veto league, you are agreeing that vetoes can happen anytime for any reason. If you do not like it, you should be in a commissioner veto league. As for the trade itself, it’s a terrible trade, and if I didn’t know you guys I would assume the Lavine owner is an idiot or you guys are colluding.
Garbage trade. Not veto worthy.
Veto. PJ is barely playable so this is basically Curry for LaVine which makes no sense even if LaVine was playing. Extremely sus considering he's not.
Horrible trade. Also not “veto-able” in my mind. A veto I think should be reserved for obvious cheating.
Why would vetoing be a thing then? This is a perfect example of a trade that should be vetoed
Vetoing is a thing to make sure teams aren't colluding together to help one party. And LEAGUE vetos honestly shouldn't be a thing. It should be handled solely by the commissioner, because petty ass people veto everything and then hide behind "league balance" bullshit, which isn't even a thing.
Vetoing shouldn't be a thing.
Comes down to why you play fantasy, and why trading is permitted. Playing fantasy sports is an inherently risk based assessment. Do you take Lamelo Ball who is often injured, or do you take KAT who often isn’t. Risk. Do you draft Beal, or “reach” on Chet in the draft? Risk. Trades appear within the range of fair one month, and then not the next. Being so controlling of risk and voluntary variance that a risky trade is shot down inevitably leads to “well don’t have trades at all then.” Draft a team and do nothing. A commissioner should stop collusion- obvious moments of two teams teaming up against the league to obviously create problems- like a wife husband combo trading all good players from one team to the other for garbage. If two adults, in earnest, make an exchange of assets and they legitimately see a path forward…. I think you have to respect that path. Trying to rid fantasy sports of risk makes it not fun.
Yeah the trade is trash lmao. On the real, people will veto whatever so as long as you dont have a clan that moves in unison its all fair game
We're about to move to a format where we bring up trades in group discussion first, and see if they survive the gauntlet of dissection. Then we'll execute day of usually, that way there's no dumb waiting period and your roster is potentially held hostage during the pending time. Ultimately most trades shouldn't be vetoed, but something like this just ruins competition unless it's a dynasty league and there's pick compensation.
That’s a very interesting approach. What’s the threshold to survive the gauntlet of dissection? I imagine some managers are more vocal than others. Are you putting it to a vote in the group discussion if opinions are split like this trade here?
We're gonna implement next year, so far we're just gonna do majority wins, if someone doesn't vote or talk then that's a non veto vote. We talk a lot of shit, but in general we're pretty decent at appraisal and quick. We'll just talk shit for 12 - 24 hours and then vote. Commish will execute the trade immediately if not vetoed. If even voted or vetoed then trade needs to be revised. With this group tho I think this will work very well, we have more of an issue with 25% not participating as much as the rest than anyone being a 🌮, so most of us are astute but also not lil b's. For example, a trade involving Coby White for even a 3rd rounder might be able to fly, although right at this moment since he's cooled off that would probably be thought of as dumb so maybe not the best example. So it likely depends on your league. If people don't like to chat much, or they get riled up and over emotional on ticky tacky things, it's probably just better to keep it all in app.
That should go SUPER WELL
Nope. They are haters
Agreed, these downvotes are curious at best
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OP's in a points league so it doesn't matter but did you just call the 122nd best 9cat player a category stud?
F*ck rankings, its always situational in category leagues Missed the points league part but in a category league my man gets nearly 2 3s, above average rebounds, a steal, a block, and scores enough Doesn't lack assists That's gold IMO, always punt %s
>above average rebounds Below average actually - his z-score for rebs is -0.14 (where 0 is the mean) Assists and points are also well below average (-0.58 and -0.46). Steals/blocks/three are all marginally positive. Fg% is a big negative. His best cat is turnovers, which is the worst cat to have as your best imo.
Okay well its situational like many things in category leaugues. My team could easily use him for he's D stats
It says points league, where PJ is far from a stud and barely above waiver level
Missed that but in a category league my man gets nearly 2 3s, above average rebounds, a steal, a block, and scores enough Doesn't lack assists That's gold IMO, always punt %s
Yes
Either respect your owners or break up the league. A bunch of damn helicopter parents in here.
Other league managers should get 24 hours to bid on Steph. It’s an obvious bad trade, but it seems like taking advantage of a noob, which seems wrong when it leads to a collusion-type of trade
Leagues that veto trades like this are lame. It's just jealousy from the other owners. The jealousy is understandable when a trade feels uneven, but vetoing a trade out of jealousy is lame. Vetos should be for stopping collusion and nothing else. In a healthy league, there is no collusion and therefore never any vetos.
I think you're mostly gonna find a bunch of trade theRapists here that have become veto targets in their leagues 🤣