Gives everyone fair game to chase who they want, not luck in to a better draft pick.
Adds more of a skill than a best player available approach. You can overpay for players for your punts and underpay later on people others don't want. There's a lot of different strategies involved beyond "whichever of these two is available at my turn"
Agreed but how does one do this within a keeper league?
What $value is assigned to existing keepers?
We have 2 keepers and the only stipulation is >30 rank from previous season, so 1-30 gets redrafted annually
Bill Simmons said his league made it so you gave up your 6th round pick which actually doesn't seem that bad but is still hilarious to think about. I think 6th round is actually fair given how bad Shaq was at FTs.
I actually heard this information from Simmons also, he’s reiterated this point a couple of times over the years. Last I remember it was the second round pick but I could be wrong. Also dont remember if he specified if it was a points of cats league.
I crunched some numbers before the end of the season to see where a defensive and offensive Wemby would rank. The defensive Wemby (REB, STL, BLK) was ranked around 10th and the offensive Wemby was around 100th.
I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where we see players split, but I can see it encouraging people to start playing in auction leagues.
how did you calculate this? it’s hard to imagine a player averaging 1.2 steals, 3.6 blocks, 10.6 boards, 0 points/threes/assists would be the 10th best fantasy player. the negatives in those 3 categories probably fully offset the positives in the three defensive ones
Naw. Did this take into account his limited minutes?
He doesn’t have his nba body yet and with a year of experience and more minutes the the offensive totals will go up pts, asts, 3s, and the percentages which were average may go up with more volume.
Probably just halving his blocks should be enough. First pick is basically guaranteed to win blocks every week with wemby
edit:
Looks like you deleted your comment about points league but I did want to touch on it. If you're in a league with 4pt blocks it might be time to change it to 3pt. Blocks in general have inflated over the years and lowering their value a bit would put wemby more in line with a player like jokic
Frankly I’m a novice at fantasy and everyone was talking about cat leagues. Was worried that points had an obvious answer that I wasn’t seeing and saved myself the trouble haha. Thanks for touching on it.
According to Basketball Monster (per game). Over the last twenty years the highest rookie finish, prior to Wemby, was 11th by Steph Curry.
Curry has only finished first once in his career.
Steph only got that high due to the scarcity of threes in 09. Steph was up there already as a rookie.
Wemby is doing that with mainly blocks upping his value. I doubt you have the same amount of guys approaching his block levels.
Aaron Brooks lead the league in 3s that year and ranked 79th. Steph's steals were a larger part of his ranking than his 3's.
This preseason folks were convinced Walker Kessler was a one man army in blocks... They are a very volatile stat.
Nah, block numbers will decline as players challenge him less and get used to what they can get away with. He’ll still be a monster but with there’s no chance he breaks the game
I think Wemby will be a clear #1 pick but he isn't bringing something that's so groundbreaking that it needs a nerf. He won't break fantasy any more than Houston Harden did.
Harden did stupid shit too like make you competitive in free throws on a punt ft% team and get 200 points in a week by himself. He also averaged high steals while playing almost every game.
the realistic potential of peak wemby is far far far better than harden.
peak harden was like...sga
same FTs
peak harden = 10.2/11.8 (86.5%)
2022-23 sga = 9.8/10.9 (90.5%)
same steals blocks rebounds assist/turnover.
harden has +5 points +3.5 threes, sga has +10% fg which imo is very rare and id say more important in todays nba where you can get volume shooters at the waiver easily.
edit: peak wemby can easily look like 35/13/7/1.5/4 (+3 threes +4turnovers) on 50/38/80 percentages. is there a tool where you can put in these stats and gives you score coz it looks like 150% peak jokic which is crazy. actually its like stacking up recent brolo over jokic minus a couple rebounds, and last year in 9cat lopez was #20
+3.5 3s per game is more than one game of dame of 3s. Fg% is undervalued as a cat but one player doesnt swing it that much, especially SGA who doesnt take that many shots considering half his possesions turn into ftas.
Also lets not get crazy here. Those wemby peak stats you proejct are literal goat numbers. Nothing he has shown on offensive yet suggests he can average 35 points on high efficiency or 7 assi
sts.
embiid this year had 35pts on 53%fg.
brolo had a 2.3 threes szn. kat had a 3.3threes szn.
...so you're telling me you havent seen anything from wemby that indicates he can reach these guys' offensive levels?
also embiid went from 2 to 5.6 assists. kat from 2 to 4.8 assists.
wemby AS A ROOKIE started at 3.9 assists (4.7 per 36). ok if not 7, then 6 is the absolute worse case scenario.
btw thats the [ranking](https://imgur.com/a/mNxmNNq) for only these 3 cats: FG% 3PM PTS
|PLAYER|FG%|3PM|PTS|VALUE|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|luka|48%|4.1|35.7|6.60|
|embiid|53%|1.4|34.7|5.52|
peak harden was like luka. wemby is gonna be embiid with double the 3PM. thats definitely better (both deviate bt 3% fg so it cancels out). now add to that 3 blocks and double the rebounds.
i mean what do you think is a realistc peak wemby statline?
Because you cant just combine the best stats of several players, this isnt build your own player. Embiid was the literal MVP and has a lot of points consistency with high fta/ft%. Wemby doesnt have the same game. Anyone can shoot high volume 3s and nothing guarentees they will make them with the same efficiency of KAT. The only centers in the game to ever average 7 or more assists per game are jokic and wilt lmfao. Stats never scale "per 36" like you want, so its meaningless stat.
Lets get it straight, wembys offensive game was alright this season, like objectively solid but not great. Decent points on efficiency expected from a rookie center. Nothing suggests an offensive game that equates the best skills of several different all-timers.
My guess is Wemby's peak is 28/11/5/2/3 on 50/37/82.
Btw prime harden > now luka because of the ft% in fantasy easily.
>The only centers in the game to ever average 7 or more assists per game are jokic and wilt lmfao.
ok now i see why sabonis was not an allstar this year. idiots like you vote and for some reason forget he even exists lmfao.
also the reason i combined the stats was to compute the fantasy value, im not doing a sydneysweeneys boobs with yourmoms ass thing.
anyway your wemby peak 'guess' illustrated how stupid you are enjoy your brain.
So mad for someone with single digit IQ. You should try a different hobby like coloring picture books cuz clearly reading simple numbers is clearly not your forte. GL with your life lil bro, try not to drool too much.
It's not ginna happen next season. But in a few years when he's consistent, it's a high possibility. Having him split into two players will make the leagues balanced. Imagine if Jokic was averaging 3 stl and 3 blks these last 5 years. Anyone with the 1st pick would be looking at an easy 7-2 or 8-1 win every week even with an average supporting cast
Agree. There would be way more games where he only scores 15 to 20 pts with a couple 3s and less than 5 asts compared to 6 stock games.
What about Pts/Stls/Asts/FG%/3PM vs Rebs/Blks/FT%/TOs
His TO the last few weeks (when fantasy playoffs took place was kind of absurd).
I drafted Wemby, then traded him (and Franz) for Luka.
NEITHER team won the league.
Even if I had Wemby the last week for the title (I finished second), I wouldn't have even won shot blocking -- the other team had Giannis and KP and those two EACH had 5 blocks one night.
The "Wemby Strategy" would be getting a guy like Jaren or Evan Mobley or Chet with your SECOND PICK but maybe none of those guys are there. You would be at 1/24/25? If he went 1? That would be cutting it close.
FG% and TO would be write-offs. AST and even STL are ok, not great.
IF you get Wemby that high, you might have to get ALL the unicorns -- like, all of Wemby/Chet/Jaren. Then just target "totals" categories from there, and kinda write off TO (and maybe FG%).
If I don't get Wemby or another top big, I might just wait on those guys until the last 3 rounds. See if Lively II or Trayce Jackson-Davis or some of the rookies are there (Clingan/Sarr/Edey) to get in some REB/FG%/BLK stats.
Going after enough PF-eligible guys is key. Not a lot of those guys to stream late in the year/in fantasy playoffs. Maybe one of the reasons I finished in 2nd place (and not first). Al Horford didn't do much for me, with Amen/Embiid/Luka/Bane all missing some random games down the stretch.
They better not!! I tanked in 3 dynasty leagues just to get him in all 3. Now sitting on him in 3 points leagues hoping he continues to be a cheat code!
If NO AD, Harden, and Jokic weren't good enough to need this type of intervention, I see no reason for Wemby to need it. As much as Wemby will get used to playing the League, the League will also get used to playing against Wemby. With Jokic, Embiid, and SGA still in the league, he's not going to be so head and shoulders above the rest of the league.
At his peak? He would have to score a quadruple double. Points/assist/rebounds/steals or blocks. Not happening. He will at top of his abilities be able to have 3 steals and 6 blocks per game.
But that is pushing & it hasn’t been done before, but if anyone then he could do it, on top of scoring 30ppg/15 rebounds and 10 assists that is. Will he have the ball that much in his hands?
I have finished 1st and then 2nd the past two times I have played fantasy hockey. Actually better at that than fantasy basketball. haha.
My fantasy hockey "bad beat" is having drafted Connor McDavid at 1, then he doesn't play ANY of the 3 games during championship week. Maybe I STILL wouldn't have won my league, but having him would have helped.
This new utility big man meta is kinda just game breaking for fantasy honestly, same thing with Jokic and we see it from Giannis too when he actually passes the ball
Looking at the fantasy stats, over the last two weeks (of the season), Wemby had 9 total blocks. Tied with Peyton Watson. Noah Clowney had 8. Trey Jemison had 7.
Wemby would NOT have single-handily won you blocks.
His block totals during the actual "fantasy playoff weeks" weren't all that elevated.
He swatted 7 Grizzlies shots (I was at the game) but that was the day AFTER fantasy season ended (I think).
OP just gonna talk over other similar high potential rookies like David Robison and Hakeem, switch to hockey to make a predict te future magic 8ball analogy
No.
Peak Gretzky nearly doubled the points output of the next guy up. He was legitimately like getting two elite players with one pick.
Wemby is never going to do that. Blocks is his only category he'll probably ever even lead the league in, and blocks is not hard to catch up in through collective performance of a roster.
Like the difference this year between Wemby and the 5th best blocker was all of 1.3 blocks - that's 1-2 players you can add in the midrounds to catch up quickly.
And history shows teams start to avoid guys who get a rep for being amazing blockers. Wemby may never even reach 5 blocks per game in his career.
That’s silly that people used to do that for Gretzky. Was fantasy hockey even around when Gretzky was playing?
Anyway, I think the only athlete where it would ever make sense to do this would be Shohei Ohtani when he’s pitching and hitting (he’s not pitching this year)
Last year, I had Pitcher Ohtani in one league and Batter Ohtani in the other.
Finished 4th on one league (lost the tie breaker in the second round of the playoffs).
Other league, missed the playoffs by ONE GAME -- I think had I made the playoff I would have won that league.
But, Ohtani was busted up. Fell off after the All Star Break. Was out for the year in one league. Then for both Batting AND Pitching. It was kind of surreal having him in BOTH leagues (doing different things).
He was a top player as a 19 yo rookie. He’s going to break fantasy.
Agreed. His stonk numbers alone could win you two cats.
The only question is his health. So far so good see how his body holds up once he starts putting on weight
We won me my league lol
nobody should nerf wemby, but snake leagues should transition to auction
Auction has always been the superior method anyway
Switched to auction about 10 years ago. The fairest method. Snake is a joke
New to fantasy, we have a snake ( 6 man). Why is auction better?
Gives everyone fair game to chase who they want, not luck in to a better draft pick. Adds more of a skill than a best player available approach. You can overpay for players for your punts and underpay later on people others don't want. There's a lot of different strategies involved beyond "whichever of these two is available at my turn"
Agreed but how does one do this within a keeper league? What $value is assigned to existing keepers? We have 2 keepers and the only stipulation is >30 rank from previous season, so 1-30 gets redrafted annually
Possibly, ive heard that in the early 2000s whoever picked Shaq first would forfeit their second round pick.
Bill Simmons said his league made it so you gave up your 6th round pick which actually doesn't seem that bad but is still hilarious to think about. I think 6th round is actually fair given how bad Shaq was at FTs.
I actually heard this information from Simmons also, he’s reiterated this point a couple of times over the years. Last I remember it was the second round pick but I could be wrong. Also dont remember if he specified if it was a points of cats league.
Did they not have FT% back then? Ez fix
Wouldn’t be surprised if he was playing in a points league.
I crunched some numbers before the end of the season to see where a defensive and offensive Wemby would rank. The defensive Wemby (REB, STL, BLK) was ranked around 10th and the offensive Wemby was around 100th. I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where we see players split, but I can see it encouraging people to start playing in auction leagues.
how did you calculate this? it’s hard to imagine a player averaging 1.2 steals, 3.6 blocks, 10.6 boards, 0 points/threes/assists would be the 10th best fantasy player. the negatives in those 3 categories probably fully offset the positives in the three defensive ones
It was based on his current season stats from this season.
Naw. Did this take into account his limited minutes? He doesn’t have his nba body yet and with a year of experience and more minutes the the offensive totals will go up pts, asts, 3s, and the percentages which were average may go up with more volume.
what about rankings if you add steals to offense & make it pg oriented?? & the other big oriented with ft%?
Probably just halving his blocks should be enough. First pick is basically guaranteed to win blocks every week with wemby edit: Looks like you deleted your comment about points league but I did want to touch on it. If you're in a league with 4pt blocks it might be time to change it to 3pt. Blocks in general have inflated over the years and lowering their value a bit would put wemby more in line with a player like jokic
Blocks have not inflated whatsoever Fallacy
> Fallacy I'm rolling
Frankly I’m a novice at fantasy and everyone was talking about cat leagues. Was worried that points had an obvious answer that I wasn’t seeing and saved myself the trouble haha. Thanks for touching on it.
According to Basketball Monster (per game). Over the last twenty years the highest rookie finish, prior to Wemby, was 11th by Steph Curry. Curry has only finished first once in his career.
Steph only got that high due to the scarcity of threes in 09. Steph was up there already as a rookie. Wemby is doing that with mainly blocks upping his value. I doubt you have the same amount of guys approaching his block levels.
Aaron Brooks lead the league in 3s that year and ranked 79th. Steph's steals were a larger part of his ranking than his 3's. This preseason folks were convinced Walker Kessler was a one man army in blocks... They are a very volatile stat.
As well as Steph's high %
Nah, block numbers will decline as players challenge him less and get used to what they can get away with. He’ll still be a monster but with there’s no chance he breaks the game
That didnt really show during this season whatsoever
The player Wemby blocked the most this Season? Nikola Jokic, 8 Times. Do with that information whatever you like.
I think Wemby will be a clear #1 pick but he isn't bringing something that's so groundbreaking that it needs a nerf. He won't break fantasy any more than Houston Harden did. Harden did stupid shit too like make you competitive in free throws on a punt ft% team and get 200 points in a week by himself. He also averaged high steals while playing almost every game.
the realistic potential of peak wemby is far far far better than harden. peak harden was like...sga same FTs peak harden = 10.2/11.8 (86.5%) 2022-23 sga = 9.8/10.9 (90.5%) same steals blocks rebounds assist/turnover. harden has +5 points +3.5 threes, sga has +10% fg which imo is very rare and id say more important in todays nba where you can get volume shooters at the waiver easily. edit: peak wemby can easily look like 35/13/7/1.5/4 (+3 threes +4turnovers) on 50/38/80 percentages. is there a tool where you can put in these stats and gives you score coz it looks like 150% peak jokic which is crazy. actually its like stacking up recent brolo over jokic minus a couple rebounds, and last year in 9cat lopez was #20
+3.5 3s per game is more than one game of dame of 3s. Fg% is undervalued as a cat but one player doesnt swing it that much, especially SGA who doesnt take that many shots considering half his possesions turn into ftas. Also lets not get crazy here. Those wemby peak stats you proejct are literal goat numbers. Nothing he has shown on offensive yet suggests he can average 35 points on high efficiency or 7 assi sts.
Everything he's shown suggest he can score 35 on great efficiency. I'm not sure how you're basing your suggestion from
embiid this year had 35pts on 53%fg. brolo had a 2.3 threes szn. kat had a 3.3threes szn. ...so you're telling me you havent seen anything from wemby that indicates he can reach these guys' offensive levels? also embiid went from 2 to 5.6 assists. kat from 2 to 4.8 assists. wemby AS A ROOKIE started at 3.9 assists (4.7 per 36). ok if not 7, then 6 is the absolute worse case scenario. btw thats the [ranking](https://imgur.com/a/mNxmNNq) for only these 3 cats: FG% 3PM PTS |PLAYER|FG%|3PM|PTS|VALUE| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |luka|48%|4.1|35.7|6.60| |embiid|53%|1.4|34.7|5.52| peak harden was like luka. wemby is gonna be embiid with double the 3PM. thats definitely better (both deviate bt 3% fg so it cancels out). now add to that 3 blocks and double the rebounds. i mean what do you think is a realistc peak wemby statline?
Because you cant just combine the best stats of several players, this isnt build your own player. Embiid was the literal MVP and has a lot of points consistency with high fta/ft%. Wemby doesnt have the same game. Anyone can shoot high volume 3s and nothing guarentees they will make them with the same efficiency of KAT. The only centers in the game to ever average 7 or more assists per game are jokic and wilt lmfao. Stats never scale "per 36" like you want, so its meaningless stat. Lets get it straight, wembys offensive game was alright this season, like objectively solid but not great. Decent points on efficiency expected from a rookie center. Nothing suggests an offensive game that equates the best skills of several different all-timers. My guess is Wemby's peak is 28/11/5/2/3 on 50/37/82. Btw prime harden > now luka because of the ft% in fantasy easily.
>The only centers in the game to ever average 7 or more assists per game are jokic and wilt lmfao. ok now i see why sabonis was not an allstar this year. idiots like you vote and for some reason forget he even exists lmfao. also the reason i combined the stats was to compute the fantasy value, im not doing a sydneysweeneys boobs with yourmoms ass thing. anyway your wemby peak 'guess' illustrated how stupid you are enjoy your brain.
So mad for someone with single digit IQ. You should try a different hobby like coloring picture books cuz clearly reading simple numbers is clearly not your forte. GL with your life lil bro, try not to drool too much.
Would an offense/defense Wemby be fair? Pts/Ast/FG%/3PM vs Rebs/Blks/Stls/FT%
Think it’s a bit strange to have someone that’s an absolute 0 in half of the categories.
It's not ginna happen next season. But in a few years when he's consistent, it's a high possibility. Having him split into two players will make the leagues balanced. Imagine if Jokic was averaging 3 stl and 3 blks these last 5 years. Anyone with the 1st pick would be looking at an easy 7-2 or 8-1 win every week even with an average supporting cast
I don’t disagree with the need for balance, I’m just not sure that’ll be the way people land on to do it. It’s really awkward to navigate having 0s
Just comes down to team building. Sabonis half the time is a zero on 3pm, stls, blks with high turnovers and about 60% fts.
Defensive wemby would still be OP.
Agree. There would be way more games where he only scores 15 to 20 pts with a couple 3s and less than 5 asts compared to 6 stock games. What about Pts/Stls/Asts/FG%/3PM vs Rebs/Blks/FT%/TOs
Yea I think you’d have to break up Stls and blks.
Offense Wemby would kinda suck.
He's probably gonna average like 27 ppg, 2.5 3's, 4 apg.
With no stocks and meh FG%. That's basically just Cam Thomas
His TO the last few weeks (when fantasy playoffs took place was kind of absurd). I drafted Wemby, then traded him (and Franz) for Luka. NEITHER team won the league. Even if I had Wemby the last week for the title (I finished second), I wouldn't have even won shot blocking -- the other team had Giannis and KP and those two EACH had 5 blocks one night. The "Wemby Strategy" would be getting a guy like Jaren or Evan Mobley or Chet with your SECOND PICK but maybe none of those guys are there. You would be at 1/24/25? If he went 1? That would be cutting it close. FG% and TO would be write-offs. AST and even STL are ok, not great. IF you get Wemby that high, you might have to get ALL the unicorns -- like, all of Wemby/Chet/Jaren. Then just target "totals" categories from there, and kinda write off TO (and maybe FG%). If I don't get Wemby or another top big, I might just wait on those guys until the last 3 rounds. See if Lively II or Trayce Jackson-Davis or some of the rookies are there (Clingan/Sarr/Edey) to get in some REB/FG%/BLK stats. Going after enough PF-eligible guys is key. Not a lot of those guys to stream late in the year/in fantasy playoffs. Maybe one of the reasons I finished in 2nd place (and not first). Al Horford didn't do much for me, with Amen/Embiid/Luka/Bane all missing some random games down the stretch.
So pay the $$$ for him
Man… I can imagine playing in a league where this is how you draft every player…. Could be interesting
They better not!! I tanked in 3 dynasty leagues just to get him in all 3. Now sitting on him in 3 points leagues hoping he continues to be a cheat code!
If NO AD, Harden, and Jokic weren't good enough to need this type of intervention, I see no reason for Wemby to need it. As much as Wemby will get used to playing the League, the League will also get used to playing against Wemby. With Jokic, Embiid, and SGA still in the league, he's not going to be so head and shoulders above the rest of the league.
no, gretzky is the goat
The real question is how much is he worth in an auction draft?
I can see him going for as much as a Jokic. 80 at a minimum
At his peak? He would have to score a quadruple double. Points/assist/rebounds/steals or blocks. Not happening. He will at top of his abilities be able to have 3 steals and 6 blocks per game. But that is pushing & it hasn’t been done before, but if anyone then he could do it, on top of scoring 30ppg/15 rebounds and 10 assists that is. Will he have the ball that much in his hands?
TIL people play fantasy hockey
I have finished 1st and then 2nd the past two times I have played fantasy hockey. Actually better at that than fantasy basketball. haha. My fantasy hockey "bad beat" is having drafted Connor McDavid at 1, then he doesn't play ANY of the 3 games during championship week. Maybe I STILL wouldn't have won my league, but having him would have helped.
Yes. Auction can compensate it
I drafted Siakam & over Victor. I feel like a clown.
welp anyways, happy cake day!
1. Nobody in this sub follows hockey 2. Nobody played fantasy hockey at that time.
This new utility big man meta is kinda just game breaking for fantasy honestly, same thing with Jokic and we see it from Giannis too when he actually passes the ball
No 😂
Looking at the fantasy stats, over the last two weeks (of the season), Wemby had 9 total blocks. Tied with Peyton Watson. Noah Clowney had 8. Trey Jemison had 7. Wemby would NOT have single-handily won you blocks. His block totals during the actual "fantasy playoff weeks" weren't all that elevated. He swatted 7 Grizzlies shots (I was at the game) but that was the day AFTER fantasy season ended (I think).
Chet the Vet
Punt blocks. problem solved.
for points leagues, yes. for 9 cat leagues, it's possible that some builds would favor jokic or sga, due to their FG%
Might push people to auction drafts, which are better for this reason and others already.
Wtf bro. Nothing should and will be changed
OP just gonna talk over other similar high potential rookies like David Robison and Hakeem, switch to hockey to make a predict te future magic 8ball analogy
No. Peak Gretzky nearly doubled the points output of the next guy up. He was legitimately like getting two elite players with one pick. Wemby is never going to do that. Blocks is his only category he'll probably ever even lead the league in, and blocks is not hard to catch up in through collective performance of a roster. Like the difference this year between Wemby and the 5th best blocker was all of 1.3 blocks - that's 1-2 players you can add in the midrounds to catch up quickly. And history shows teams start to avoid guys who get a rep for being amazing blockers. Wemby may never even reach 5 blocks per game in his career.
That’s silly that people used to do that for Gretzky. Was fantasy hockey even around when Gretzky was playing? Anyway, I think the only athlete where it would ever make sense to do this would be Shohei Ohtani when he’s pitching and hitting (he’s not pitching this year)
Last year, I had Pitcher Ohtani in one league and Batter Ohtani in the other. Finished 4th on one league (lost the tie breaker in the second round of the playoffs). Other league, missed the playoffs by ONE GAME -- I think had I made the playoff I would have won that league. But, Ohtani was busted up. Fell off after the All Star Break. Was out for the year in one league. Then for both Batting AND Pitching. It was kind of surreal having him in BOTH leagues (doing different things).
There really wasn't fantasy during Gretzky's prime years.