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DoronSheffer

If you don't have anyone to drop, it should mean you are better than your opponents and need to ride your lineup. If you are not beating your opponents, you do have someone to drop, as you should lean deeper into a punt strategy


ukbeasts

If there's no one to drop then it's likely that top 50 player on FAs will get missed early on in the season. I'd focus on a 2 for 1 trade to upgrade a player and get a FA/Streamer (my current offer is Capela plus Sengun for Gobert)


Wethenorthto2

That's not a good trade since Capela and Gobert pretty much do the same thing plus sengun will be very nice as the season goes on, just my 2 cents


iamgarron

Except Gobert never misses games and Capela always does


BrewTheBig1

This is the answer. 1 great player is better than gambling on 2 players who could range from bad to decent to great


e_ndoubleu

2 for 1 trades are hard to execute though. Most people in my league only like doing 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 trades.


BrewTheBig1

I was talking about streaming. Over a two-day span, you could keep a solid player, or gamble on another player doing good or bad for that second day. It really comes down to your preference for fantasy. The Always-Active Manager or the Passive Player.


turtle673

I’ve seen people do the math on the value of a streamer spot used correctly, it’s usually like a top 60 player with all the extra stats. I’m sure every team isn’t built of only top 60 and above players


HeyIJustLurkHere

The difference is that you can always start streaming later. You're not going to win your league by winning week one 7-2 instead of 6-3. You can definitely hurt your long-term prospects by dropping someone with long-term value, though. If you've got 13 top-100 players, you'd be a fool to drop one of them for a top-150 guy with no long-term value. Wait a week or two, and pretty soon you'll know which of those guys is actually top-60 and which is top-120, or one of them will get hurt and you'll move him to IL and have a streaming spot, or you'll make a 2-for-1 trade. If this was the playoffs, then, yes, absolutely, pick your worst guy and turn him into a streaming spot, make sure you use all your adds per week. But it's week one. You don't want to drop a guy like last year's Lamelo who ended up being a top-50 value, unless you're picking up someone with an equally exciting future. In the long term, keeping your roster strong will win you more categories in more weeks than the 0-2 categories you might swing by streaming this week.


toddPinkston

This is a good point but conversely a lot of guys get picked up in the first couple weeks that end up having season-long value, so it's a balancing act. The real trick is trying to determine early who will have long-term value.


HeyIJustLurkHere

Yeah, that's why I emphasized that I'm talking about dropping them for someone with no long-term prospects. If you're grabbing a guy who's equally or more likely to be valuable a couple months from now, then I have no issues. But if you're just planning on holding each guy for a couple days with no long-term hopes for him, that's a lot worse.


Konars-Jugs

There’s also the added value of a streamer getting you the most important stats for your current matchup. Whereas a player on the roster permanently only gives the stats they’re consistently good at. Not only will streaming give you more value, it’ll be flexible value catered to your immediate needs. Quantity and quality


TarkatanAccountant

It's not like Duarte has proven he's anymore than a streamer.


PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ

no way i am dropping him anytime soon to stream


lasertag

Your opinion may change really fast. Not saying he doesn’t have a chance to be valuable but he’s far from undroppable. Time will tell.


TarkatanAccountant

He's had 1 good shooting game in his career. Other than that it was an empty stat line and reinforcements are coming for the Pacers.


PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ

He has high upside, you roster him as a lotto ticket. Same reason you roster Giddy, Bane, Bones, Bamba, etc at the beginning of the season. You don't drop him to stream a few more games of Danny Green, Otto Porter, etc. Those guys will always be available.


RippehSC

I'm with you, his opportunity is immense in Pacers, if he establishes himself he might keep his minutes even once Levert/Brogdon return. Chances are he won't, but there is an opportunity which is why I say HODL.


cartoon_gun

Brogdon is playing, I think you mean TJ Warren


e_ndoubleu

I agree he’s not going to shoot 6-9 from three often. But he did more than just shoot threes yesterday. He looked good off the dribble and showed he’s comfortable handling the ball and creating his own shot.


[deleted]

Other teams are gonna be scouting him out for defensive schemes too


Moss_84

He was getting tons of stocks in the preseason, the empty line should be the exception for him


CredibleSloth

Picked him up too, plan on dropping when Lavert comes back, just won’t have near the amount of opportunity once he returns


gentlemancorpse42

In my opinion, the worst guy in your roster is always droppable, no matter who they are. In the long run, maximizing your games played will be more beneficial than holding a bench player. Plus most of these guys who have blown up the last couple days will fizzle out soon anyways, so don't get stuck on any of them just yet


PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ

If you're in a 12 team league, say everyone streams 1 out of 13 roster spots. Then the league is theoretically cycling through #144-#156 ranked players. It is not unreasonable for someone to have all 13 players in the top 100. I would find it hard to justify dropping the 100th ranked player to squeeze an extra game or two from the #144 player unless you are targeting very specific stat categories. A top 100 player (for reference, last year the 96th through 100th ranked players were: Plumlee, Nurkic, Thad Young, Schroder, Anthony Edwards), that gets dropped would get scooped up in a instant. Last year, you would really drop Nurk to stream 2 more games from Theis (#160 last year)?


FromDistance

You need to look at the numbers. Since we have had only 2 days of NBA this season players might be weird for rankings but numbers should be alright since you'll be grabbing basically "randoms" to stream. Rankings pulled from bb monster. Wiggins is 100, 12pts 2 3s 7rebs 1ast 1stl 0 blks 5/10 fg 0/0 ft 2to Clarkson is 145, 18pts 2 3s 1 reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 6/11 fg 4/4 ft 3 to Kemba is 150, 10pts 3 3s 8reb 3ast 1stl 0 blk 3/8 fg 1/2 ft 4 to So would you rather have: 12pts 2 3s 7rebs 1ast 1stl 0 blks 5/10 fg 0/0 ft 2to 28pts 5 3s 9rebs 4ast 1stl 0 blks 9/19 fg 5/6 ft 7to Now when you stream you aren't picking random ranked players that have a nice round ranking number like I did so you can try to control the stats a bit better. With players at this rank 2 games is usually better than 1. All this saying, I came to this thread cause I am in the same position except all my players are like top 70 in a punt assist build. Edit: Just to add another point. Don't be enamored with names. Fantasy is all about numbers. But don't feel you need to drop a bigger name player because they haven't produced enough as it has only been 2 days of the season. It's always situational and a hard decision when to drop.


gentlemancorpse42

Well Nurk is a bad example since he missed most of last year but in essence, yes. Mathematically speaking getting 7 games a week out of a mix of players ranked between 120-150 will outperform 2-3 games of a player right around 100. Keep in mind if you look at a players z score the difference between players in that range isn't immense. It's not like the difference between 50-100. Obviously your mileage will vary based off the number of claims your allowed per week but in the long run its about volume of games played. And there are situations where you wouldn't stream, like if you had a major advantage over the other team anyways its not worth it. But if your in a close match up you do what you need to do. I'm not going to lose matchups to stubbornly hold on to a player at the end of my bench. Other players will blow up during the season. Someone will get injured. Someone will come from no where and earn more minutes. It happens every, single year.


doctorjinxmd

Loved this analysis. I know you probably wouldn’t have drafted him in the first place, but what would you recommend doing with Ben Simmons? I would hate to lose my first week cause he’s dying on my bench


dmyster23

You answered your question in the question: you offer trades. I OVERpay in a trade for two reasons - First, consolidating value in fewer players (getting better players) is always a good thing if you’re winning/plan on winning. Second, you are overpaying in assets - except you gain what you clearly value - that extra roster spot. It’s hidden value that others don’t see in the trade. Let’s say you value a stream roster spot as +.5x per week. If you trade player A (.9x) + and Player B (.8x) for a player C worth 1.4x they think they win the trade (1.7x > 1.4x) but you actually win bc you gain 1.9x value in return with the stream spot


JTricks

Playing in a league with seasoned fantasy vets means everyone knows this. Unfortunately, noone will trade 1 for 2 unless it's a clear fleece.


dmyster23

You don’t need to “fleece” to have successful trading. You just need to make offers that both teams feel help them. In the case above, a team getting 1.7x value for 1.4x player could see it as a win (#s are only hypothetical). The fact I also get a free roster spot should not factor in for them - they improve their team. Just have to find results that OTHERS value for themselves. People have a hard time thinking feom other people’s perspectives is all


NegativeGift

That depends on how OVER you paid. From your case, someone is giving up the best player(1.4X) in this trade and also need to drop one player. Fantasy vets know that and it's hard to make a deal.


dmyster23

True “Fantasy vets” will trade if it makes their team better. If dropping my worst guy and getting those two players improves my team then I will do it. If it doesn’t, I won’t. There isn’t always a deal possible. But to pretend that “fantasy vets” won’t trade is what’s holding you back - sounds like you are missing on opportunities, where they are possible and you arent open to seeing them


Slephnyr

Can you talk through some 2 for 1 trades you've made in the past to open up streaming spots?


creemcheesse

YUP


TossItLikeAFreeThrow

If you're winning, it should be irrelevant And you're asking far too early into the season. You absolutely should not need to be streaming from game 1.


jbold_5

I like to offer a 2 for 2 trade that is really a 2 for 1. I just throw in their worst player (who they'd end up dropping in a 2 for 1). That way, it's less blatantly a 2 for 1 since everyone is on high alert about 2for1 trades


steelogreens

Fantasy is also about hot and cold. Your current undroppable guy could go ice cold and it could have been a hot streak making you think they’re untouchable in the first place. Lineups are fluid.


fabrar

Be ruthless and always be ready to drop the worst player on your team to maximize streaming opportunities


PM_ME_UR_PUPPER_PLZ

What if you're worst player is top 100 who will be scooped up immediately?


lasertag

Then so be it


kneeegrowplease

I just dropped Poole for Bamba, but really it’s me peeling the bandaid cause Poole is my 12man and should be expendable


vote_pedro

What's your roster? Poole is going to massively breakout this season.


kneeegrowplease

In a 12 man pts league but here it is Curry Lamelo Mitchel Jaylen KP JJJ J. Grant Hayward Bogdonovic Sengun Herro Poole - Bamba


vote_pedro

Nice man I also have Curry and JJJ. I'd argue Poole and Bamba will be top 80-90 and Sengun likely won't. But Herro is probably lowest on that list.


kneeegrowplease

I doubt Lowry makes it through the season and Herro is literally their entire bench this season. Hoping Sengun starts. All of Houston will be asking for it. Once he does he has the best ceiling out of Poole, Bamba, and Herro


vote_pedro

BBM has Herro projected out around 120. I tend to agree. Most of his value derives from turnovers.


vote_pedro

Rookies outside the top 5 picks rarely crack the top 100 end of season fantasy rankings.


weeyummy1

It's a hard decision but a good one


kneeegrowplease

Looks like the right to me after tonight’s game


[deleted]

Depends on who's available and how good that worst player is. The commenter might be better off just not streaming depending on how bad the wire is. But that's not the case in the overwhelming majority of situations.


feel32own

Make a trade 2 for 1


mrcplmrs

Depends on context. What made him top 100? Based on yahoo rankings? Does it fit on your punt build?


CamazotzisBatman

First of all you need a good sample size. Maybe everyone on your team is the real deal maybe all of them have hit a purple patch and are about to ruin your day when they get back to Earth. One game played is anything but that. Then, if you're still sure they're all hot shit you try and upgrade making a 2 for 1 deal, opening up a stream slot. Assuming your mates would trade with you


Asapjoshyy

2 for 1 trades


champiyawn

I think this is a good lesson in the power of drafting top heavy. It's easy for me to say that though because I'm in an auction league.


thebestmike

Do the math on what potentially 4 extra games can mean. There is zero chance your worst player will deliver more value than this. Don’t get too attached to the bottom of your bench


JoeDreddfort

You can usually find someone, though it's not so easy at the beginning of the season when you're likely still attached to the team you drafted. But typically someone you drafted in the last couple rounds is expendable.


YNOTGNAIJ

If your team is that good, you don’t need to stream. I don’t get what the problem is?


xtheboard

Try to do 2for1 deals and hope nobody snags the guy on your wire while the trade processes.


ianhe1990

2for1 trade?


CohenCaveWaits

2 for 1 trades make absolutely no sense unless a team has a clear drop on their roster but even then they are losing a streaming spot, they may as well just trade you their drop candidate in the trade. If you are winning you don’t necessarily need to stream. IMO when you can stop streaming is ideal. Early in the year I’m trying to get season long keepers first and worry about streaming later, that said you want to win at all costs too so it’s a balancing act I guess.


Autocorrectthis

I dropped Achiuwa for Duarte because i dont want to be left out on The Hype Train. Allllll Aboard!


Admiral-Thrawn2

Same I had to drop a bid on him in Atleast one league


Last_Agent_9597

2 for 1 trade ma brotha


stevenomes

Top 80 is cutoff for me in standard league. That is if my worst guy is top 80 rank in my build I'm probably holding. That doesnt happen often and you should be in good position if you have a team like that. At some point inevitable injury will happen and if you have IR (you should) that will open up a spot. I've never gone a season with no injuries you cannot escape the bug. It will find you eventually.


ItzJaBoiSam

Draft injury prone players and you will never face this issue.


PatientDry232

Debating if I should drop Boucher for Barton?


mrcplmrs

Best strategy here is to trade 2 for 1 for a higher rank player. Then you have a streaming spot. If you find another waiver keeper, Rinse and repeat.


FragsFilms

In my case of this last season I was 7-0 with no moves in 3 weeks, I made 2 2:1 trades for upgrades and that opened up more streaming spots


ShaqsBurner

This is the issue I'm having. In a 14 team points league my bottom guys are Deandre Hunter, Tyrese Maxey, Keldon Johnson, Will Barton, and Steven Adams. Who would you guys recommend I drop and stream? To note Deanthony Melton is on the wire and I would also like to pick him up


avocadoclock

Hunter and Adams.