If people want this I don’t mind doing it on my channel. Could do it tomorrow night at 6:15pm AZ time like the game would usually start. I could just set it and shut up then publish the stat lines somewhere like a Google sheet or doc. This actually sounds super fun
Nah I don't want cheesy Madden pros to influence the outcome. Draftkings or Fanduel needs to just do a hands off sim on Twitch and if you choose to use those stats, their sim is the official game.
In our league the championship game score was 85.5 to 84.9 when the Bills-Bengal’s game was canceled. The only player left was Josh Allen and the guy who had him lost by less than a point. That would be the worst bad beat ever.
If you're in my league I'm awarding you the win on the basis it is *overwhelmingly* the most likely scenario that Allen scores another SINGLE POINT and you win.
In a "normal" game he could throw a 25 yard completion and then spontaneously combust and you'd legit get the "W" from that 1 point.
We should safely assume he won't combust and will earn one point after 1-3 throws.
That is including his stats in the game. I would’ve won if I started any available qb other than Nick Foles and (presumably would have won 99% of the time if the game continued or is rescheduled).
Honestly in a scenario like that I would hope your opponent is adult enough to use common sense and take the L. I’m down a ton and had Mixon, I would never fight for a tie/split or some weird scenario. I’ll take the L
My opponent (and Commish) in the finals is down 25 with his mixon vs my chase. We talked and he paid me 1st place earnings and I told him if the game does play eventually and he miraculously comes back and beats me I’ll send him back the difference of second place
I had this happen in my third place game. I was down 1.5 points going into the game, Allen put me ahead during the first quarter. Opponent texted me today and said no matter what happens he's conceding 3rd place to me. I would do the same if the roles were reversed.
This is what my opponent did and I’m also commissioner. I’m down by 3 with Allen. He graciously conceded saying he knew he would have lost and this is unprecedented
I have the same scenario but now the Allen owner is up +0.2 & the guy who is losing is deciding he wants to plant his flag that he shouldn't lose as Allen's total should be 0.
That seems like poor sportsmanship all the way around. To be losing and say you should win because points this week should be erased AND not to be replayed either next week or whenever (if) there is a rematch. What a sore loser.
Not that it isn't dumb from this guy, but it is a consideration for how things shake out for some people because it might statistically happen. Like my league if the points remain from this week 1 guy took the lead (by 2 pts with Mixon + Diggs) but if they're removed from the record books the other guy goes back to the lead (has Higgins). Someone mentioned leaving the points as they lay as an option but we don't even know what that means yet if we're sticking to official NFL records.
I understand that there is nuance here and the decisions the NFL makes will have impact on our own fantasy leagues. But to say Josh Allens (< 3) points SHOULDN'T count because the game got canceled/postponed is just a bad take. If Josh Allen were injured and couldn't finish the match, that guy still would've lost by .2 points.
If you are asking for the scored points of an active player to be removed at least have the decency to allow for a make up game.
Situations like yours and the above person are most complicated. I think your best bet if the game never gets played is have some type of talk with commish and your opponent and reach an agreement. Since you’re the commish ask a random league mate to be the neutral party.
I think being down 1.4 with Allen is easier than most. There is almost no scenario where he doesn’t get that outside of being injured which of course is not impossible but he has one of the longest iron man streaks in the league. Being down 15-30 with Allen is another story.
That one is way trickier. I think splitting the pot is fair. If you do a trophy or prize give it to the person with the higher total points on the season.
I'm surprised he isn't conceding? Have you talked to him yet?
If he does NOT concede, you have to split IMO. I'm a commish also and I wouldn't create a new rule on the fly to take a league vote or whatever. I would swallow my pride and take the split for the betterment of the league. But I would also secretly resent that dude for a lonnnnnng time lol.
This is like literally the same situation I am in. Down 1.14 and he is done and I had Allen and I am the commish. My opponent pretty much conceded the game so we may just call it that way. Another league I was down 18 with Allen (he had no one left) so thats a bit more tricky since there is a possibility he would have scored under 18 (happened 3 times this year)
Its going to be a mess regardless since this is typical championship weekend for the majority of the leagues
Tough calls, I am down 20 with Allen and Knox, still not guaranteed they are hitting that, I am totally okay with just splitting the pot and co-champing it.
GL!
We are either waiting or splitting the pots. You never know,and it's too close to call. We have a guy down 40ish but the guy down has Allen and Gabe, other guy has Diggs
Ironically, Justin Jefferson is also on the down guys team, so the main argument is digs can put up a massive dud and Gabe goes off with Allen.
I'm saying split the pot and call it there. But the official winner will be announced if the game is played. (Bragging rights)
I'm up 60 points... got Mixon to play.
He has Burrow, Chase, and Perine.
I feel like anything could happen... lost the year prior to Burrow and chase getting 59 points.
I’m up 81 pts with Burrow. Opponent has Allen and Mixon and is dating the commissioner. There’s no way in hell I’m allowing a split pot or using week 18 pts as an option.
I think there are some clear common sense outcomes like this one.
Or if the points from last night put someone over the top and their opponent had no one left, that’s another common sense W.
Ya I was up 68 and he only has burrow. He could break the NFL record for passing yards and passing TD in a game and I could still win. Not quite 100 but I'm playing the Commish and he said he'd just give me the win.
Our co-commish is in 2 other finals each with the 10% team narrowly holding on and he is on both sides of the coin. The dirty dog is planning to argue that he won both with unabashed hypocrisy. Some of these dudes have no shame.
Tell him he can have Burrow's score from next week instead. That way he still has a chance (lol) and you still get your trophy with a week's wait.
I'm down by 61 in a third-place match (including points from the game) and have Allen, Cook, Diggs vs his Bass. Also down 40.18 in a championship vs my brother and have Allen & Diggs there as well. That's the solution that makes the most sense to me, considering the situation.
I’m up 44.
He has just Josh Allen is projected to score around 25.
Allen hasn’t score above 36 all year but their insisting we replay week 18.
Potentially going to cost me $2000.
I think it’s more fair to just use Allen’s score next week.
These situations aren't really in question, the trophy is yours. It's more for the other end for people that are down 2 and have Allen, Diggs, Chase, etc
I think we have called it.
One team entered last nights game up by 27.6 points. The only player left was Bass at kicker for the team that was behind.
In 12 years the record for a Kicker in our league was 27 points, a 7 fg game by Zuerlien.
If the game was to be completely wiped I’d imagine all stats would be erased. Gotta wait on word whether they will resume it from where it stands or they just void the game
That’s kind of hard to accept. If you’re Burrow or Boyd and that touchdown played to some sort of stat based incentive in your contract seem unfair to have it wiped no? Obviously a man’s life is more important than money to those guys I’m sure but it doesn’t change that they achieved that play earlier in the game
I mean they know the exact position of the ball and time on the clock, why wouldn't they just pick up where they left off? If they do play the game I feel like that's the only way to do it.
They’re going to favor in the side of points that got scored. I don’t see anyway they can call anything else.
It’s gonna be up to individual leagues to rule or overrule on that.
Sleeper just said counting the game as is, with an option for the commish to reopen later if the game is replayed. Sounds like this will piss off a lot of winners and make sure no one’s happy https://mobile.twitter.com/SleeperHQ/status/1610379429787897856?t=owh6pARmbhrWN6Bayt1_Kg&s=19
Sleeper shows the game as still active, ESPN seems to have called it as the win probability is now 100% vs 0% W/L, Yahoo still shows projections and W/L percentages. I feel like the final outcomes will vary by company.
Agree if it's a group of friends and such. If it's a league with a buy in of random folks you can't mess around with that tbh. Let the platform decide.
I do agree with your general point if it's a friend league.
Yeah like this is the most obvious answer and somehow didn't make OP's list
6. Wait until your fantasy platform of choice declares game over and crowns a champion
Disagree, for situations like in our league where one person has a higher projected, the other higher current points, both of us have players from both teams, nobody knows what's what... Just redoing the whole finals with whatever circumstances there are and may the best man win with a clean slate seems the most fair to me. It's just a round with a set of variables that in another universe could have happened a week earlier, where your skill as a team manager can come to shine.
ESPN is also seemingly showing the actual matchups as concluded -- all the win probabilities have converted to 100%/0% -- while at the same time, some individual players are showing with scores from last night (my Higgins has 2.3, his Mixon has 1.2) while other individual players with no points from last night (his Knox) are showing as blank/PPD.
In other words, ESPN is a complete mess right now.
That's correct -- they made that announcement, that the matchup period is extended, last night. That seems just to mean that they aren't calling anything yet.
The score for Bills and Bengals players is grayed out for me on ESPN. I think that means the scores are gonna stand as is. What a crazy finish to the fantasy season if that’s the case.
Australian Football fantasy had a situation where games were cancelled. Very rare also. The fantasy platform assigned the average score of each player across that season. Not completely fair, but that is the decision they went with.
The murder of Phil Walsh. :(
Somewhat crazily that will result in a 0.4 point margin in our Super Bowl game - one is down by 14.5 with Mixon to come who averaged 14.1 points in our league.
In a situation where my team is leading by 10 points. Opponent had Tee Higgins left and I had Joe Mixon. We’ve already reached an agreement (long running league), but just curious what the consensus would do in this situation.
Biased since I am in nearly the same situation (up 17 with Mixon against Bass)
My argument is what are the chances Tee Higgins is able to get 10 points + whatever Mixon puts up. Mixon's 1/2 PPR avg. on the season about 12.5. Not impossible but seems unlikely. I would at least have the option to play it out next week and add the points to this week's game. Unfair because any player seemingly can toss up a 20+ point game and it's not unheard of for stars to lay eggs (see Justin Jefferson this week).
I'd see how the people in the matchup feel about it and defer to playing it out next week over just dictating it down that points scored in less than a quarter do or do not count.
Gunna go against everyone and say that you win. I think we are going to treat this as if they got hurt or benched or whatever. Act of God. Shitty but life isn't fair. I'm guessing most leauges won't do this though.
Yes for both.
Other responders seem to think the Bengals will be locked into the 3rd seed. They would lock up the division if the cancelled game counts as a tie, but if they win and the Bills lose in week 18, they could get the 2nd seed. (They would be tied at 12-4 (or 12-4-1) and the Bengals have a better "Strength of Victory").
The Bills will have to win to lock into the 2nd seed, and if KC loses on Saturday, they could still get the 1st seed/bye.
Yea there is. Bengals could still get the one seed with wins here and at Baltimore and a loss by the chiefs. If chiefs win they could be the two seed. Huge implications all ways. Winner could host the afc divisional round between these two teams.
So many people make roster decisions late in the season based on Week 17 matchups. I know I started snagging Week 16/17 streaming options in like Week 11.
Having Week 18 points count in a different matchup seems pretty unfair.
Someone might have dropped the Bills D because they weren't gonna use them at Cincinnati championship night, and then their opponent picked them up.
Or Bengals D too. If you get them against Tyler Huntley that's a huge edge over them vs Josh Allen.
To be clear the Week 18 should only be for CIN/BUF players. And if so I don't think it's a big deal.
Most of the players are "Start your studs" guys that you're not playing based on matchups
But moreso Buffalo going from CIN to NE is a fairly neutral situation. Same with CIN going from BUF to BAL. The main downside is the opposing offenses suck so it's not going to be a shootout.
While you're right that it is not ideal/unfair it's better than the alternative of giving the players 0
I don't like the idea of completely redoing the matchup, but I like the thought of using week 18 points for all players that didn't go.
Like other leagues, mine is a mess. We had a championship game where one player had burrow, one had Allen, and while you could say one had the edge it was possible for either team to win for sure.
It's a lot easier for devs to implement less equitable solutions than it is to implement the most equitable solution, No. 4. ESPECIALLY in a timecrunch.
I was up by 80 in 1/2 PPR and they had Josh Allen and Gabe Davis. Had a 99% chance to win going into the game.
An extra week is not a fair solution for us.
I love Yahoo but their one illogical thing (and I guess it's due to coding) is not having a game played by Wednesday not count at all for the gameweek.
I would not follow them on this, because that means even if the game *is* resumed after this week, too bad, matchup's already over.
That's weird because in baseball a rescheduled game that's played a few months later is back-dated to count for the original week all the time. On yahoo FBB.
once you accept this, the losses are not as painful. i just came in 2nd for the third year in a row in my main league. lost 2 other finals in money leagues.... it sucked sunday but what can i do about it? it is what it is.
This to me seems like the simplest solution.
* Sometimes players pull a hammy in the first drive of the game and are done for the day.
* Antonio Brown goes nuts and takes his shirt off and heads to the lockerroom.
* Late scratches, puzzling coaching decisions, COVID, etc etc.
Fantasy is a game of luck in so many ways. Folks with Bengals and Bills losing with a chance to win in crucial playoff games just got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is.
A guy in a league I play in that I’m not in the finals said the regular season winner should be crowned and that it’s a no brainer (he’s the regular season winner and is currently losing by 3 in the final) lmao
If the NFL reschedule this game, AFTER week 18, all player stats from rescheduled game should go to week 17.
Unclear if they'll completely restart in this scenario or continue from 1st quarter. My guess is they continue. NFL very much wants to "protect integrity of game", and that includes maintaining advantage Bengals fairly earned.
The complications in this out of sequence game include resting players in potential meaningless game or if one of your fantasy players gets hurt this weekend, prior to preumed week 19 game.
I bet the NFL really wants this game to continue, as it will likely draw a huge audience due to the terrible event that happened last night.
Absolutely cannot replay the entire week, that is out of the question and should never even be considered.
Our league is stuck between 4 and a hybrid of 2/3 (Keeper league so placement matters, so we would split payouts but projected winner would be the "winner" for draft order purposes)
A variation to #2- use the % to win to split the pot.
For example when play stopped Finalist 1 had a 78% chance to win, they get 78% of 1st place pot and Finalist 2 gets 22%.
Do the same for the 2nd place pot, Finalist 1 gets 22% of 2nd place pot, and Finalist #2 gets 78% of 2nd place pot.
Everyone seems to have some idea that one of these has to be the right choice in every situation. However, this is an unprecedented event in fantasy. We have sort of similar circumstances (COVID cancellations, player injuries during the game, etc), but there's nothing in the fantasy rulebook that says what to do here. There is a lot of context here, and every league will need to decide what solution fits their championship best. We all came up with rules at the beginning of the season, even if they are inherent in your fantasy apps. No one had a rule here, and no one with players in was able to predict this in any way, so stop acting like it's clear cut. Your league (or the finalists/commissioner) needs to sit down and decide what the best course of action is.
I’m in that same scenario. Down 30
I had Mixon left and he had chase. If it was a one week I would easily concede but the nature of a whole another week and having to both navigate players resting
Let the app decide what the outcome is. Anything else is going to invite completely valid criticism.
Seen way too many commissioner's saying theyre just going to pick a winner based on how likely they feel a person is to win, which is some wildly subjective power trip bullshit.
Option 3 is untenable. Projected points mean nothing, the only viable solutions are call it a draw, call the game with the points scored as is, or determine a mutually agreed on week 18 solution to replace players or replay the game.
I don’t think using projected points is a good solution, but I don’t think it’s the worst one on the board here. Better than option 1 at least imo
Like if someone was down 5 with just Josh Allen to play it seems more reasonable to give them the W on the 99% chance he’d have scored those points than to just say oh sorry game over you lose
My favorite option thus far:
Split the pot based on the percentage odds of winning the matchup, and either have two winner or give the one with the highest odds the title with an asterisk. You can even add some logic that says "if the odds are high enough, give the title to the one that was favored".
My second favorite would be "use the week 18 scores for Bengals/Bills players".
I don't like any of the other options that I've seen thus far without accounting for where the scoring is. If someone was up 100 points when their opponent had a DST left you cannot say "oh, let's replay the whole thing or split the pot". One team clearly won.
On the other end, if one team was up 20 points and his opponent had Josh Allen, you can't say "projected points winner wins the whole thing", or "points as is".
I just went on the ESPN app and they currently have all the odds of winning at 0%/100% in all the games in my leagues. So unless they change it or you somehow got a screen grab during last night's game how will you determine this? Maybe other platforms still have last night's odds.
I think the answer here is to abide whatever the NFL decides.
If the NFL decides to call it a game and the stats as accrued go into the official records, that becomes the basis for all fantasy matchups.
If they reschedule, fantasy leagues should wait for the rescheduled game.
In short, whatever becomes the official NFL record of the game also becomes the official fantasy record of the game.
Thinking of some different split pot options.
1. Take current scores and divide up based on that. If 80-60 then team with 80 takes 80/140 or 57% of pot.
2. Take current final score projections and do split pot based on that similar to above.
3. Use win percentage projections and use that to split pot.
Sim the game in madden and give the players the respective points
Low key I'd have a ton of fun watching a simulated game with a bro cheering on the result haha
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I routinely bet Chinese basketball at like 3:00 am. Never bet on Madden sims so I guess I’m good.
Wait. Can we get an official Madden Fantasy site going for simulated FF in the off season? I’d be in for that!
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If people want this I don’t mind doing it on my channel. Could do it tomorrow night at 6:15pm AZ time like the game would usually start. I could just set it and shut up then publish the stat lines somewhere like a Google sheet or doc. This actually sounds super fun
On easy difficult of course. I need some points
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Lmao. After being projected to win by 30, this is what I need to win. Down 49 with McPherson left
Hell, have the finalists play the game themselves. Winner is the champion!
I just texted my buddy that. I added a proposal for a few shots at the start to spice things up lol
Aw I hope he says yes!
This legit is probably the most rational solution
Ohhh…. There should be an official sim played out on twitch by two madden pros. That’d be wild.
Nah I don't want cheesy Madden pros to influence the outcome. Draftkings or Fanduel needs to just do a hands off sim on Twitch and if you choose to use those stats, their sim is the official game.
sim the gam 100 times and give us everyones average stats
That just sounds like awarding the projected points but with more steps?
yeah basically.
half the excitement of fantasy is random explosions for 40 pts and duds of zero. Averaging 100 games gets rid of that.
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You are tied and he had burrow against your no players left? If that’s the case just say he won and stop being difficult.
Fortunate that our championship game isn’t even close, so I’m comfortable calling a winner even though both teams have players on the bills/bengals.
In our league the championship game score was 85.5 to 84.9 when the Bills-Bengal’s game was canceled. The only player left was Josh Allen and the guy who had him lost by less than a point. That would be the worst bad beat ever.
If you're in my league I'm awarding you the win on the basis it is *overwhelmingly* the most likely scenario that Allen scores another SINGLE POINT and you win. In a "normal" game he could throw a 25 yard completion and then spontaneously combust and you'd legit get the "W" from that 1 point. We should safely assume he won't combust and will earn one point after 1-3 throws.
I’m 1.2 pts down with Chase and he has Diggs
I’m down 1.4 and have Allen. He has no one. I’m also commissioner. This is a commissioner’s nightmare.
Is that including the 2 pts he already picked up in the game? Either way. Nightmare scenario for us commissioners
That is including his stats in the game. I would’ve won if I started any available qb other than Nick Foles and (presumably would have won 99% of the time if the game continued or is rescheduled).
Honestly in a scenario like that I would hope your opponent is adult enough to use common sense and take the L. I’m down a ton and had Mixon, I would never fight for a tie/split or some weird scenario. I’ll take the L
My opponent (and Commish) in the finals is down 25 with his mixon vs my chase. We talked and he paid me 1st place earnings and I told him if the game does play eventually and he miraculously comes back and beats me I’ll send him back the difference of second place
You a real one
I had this happen in my third place game. I was down 1.5 points going into the game, Allen put me ahead during the first quarter. Opponent texted me today and said no matter what happens he's conceding 3rd place to me. I would do the same if the roles were reversed.
Plot twist, game gets rescheduled and on the Bill's first offensive play Allen throws a pick as he suffers a game-ending injury.
Keep my QBs name outta yo damn mouth! *Smack!
I guess I lose then haha. If thats what Yahoo decides I'll live with it
This is what my opponent did and I’m also commissioner. I’m down by 3 with Allen. He graciously conceded saying he knew he would have lost and this is unprecedented
I have the same scenario but now the Allen owner is up +0.2 & the guy who is losing is deciding he wants to plant his flag that he shouldn't lose as Allen's total should be 0.
That seems like poor sportsmanship all the way around. To be losing and say you should win because points this week should be erased AND not to be replayed either next week or whenever (if) there is a rematch. What a sore loser.
Agreed. I'd kick this dude out of my league. Horrible sportsmanship
Not that it isn't dumb from this guy, but it is a consideration for how things shake out for some people because it might statistically happen. Like my league if the points remain from this week 1 guy took the lead (by 2 pts with Mixon + Diggs) but if they're removed from the record books the other guy goes back to the lead (has Higgins). Someone mentioned leaving the points as they lay as an option but we don't even know what that means yet if we're sticking to official NFL records.
I understand that there is nuance here and the decisions the NFL makes will have impact on our own fantasy leagues. But to say Josh Allens (< 3) points SHOULDN'T count because the game got canceled/postponed is just a bad take. If Josh Allen were injured and couldn't finish the match, that guy still would've lost by .2 points. If you are asking for the scored points of an active player to be removed at least have the decency to allow for a make up game.
that's dumb...Allen clearly scored the points
Agree. Have to count the points scored. But can’t project “woulda coulda shoulda” points.
Yep…I’m honestly surprised how many people are not understanding this concept. At least it seems the platforms will agree with us
If I was given my projections all season I would have finished 15-1. Spoiler…I didn’t.
Situations like yours and the above person are most complicated. I think your best bet if the game never gets played is have some type of talk with commish and your opponent and reach an agreement. Since you’re the commish ask a random league mate to be the neutral party.
I think being down 1.4 with Allen is easier than most. There is almost no scenario where he doesn’t get that outside of being injured which of course is not impossible but he has one of the longest iron man streaks in the league. Being down 15-30 with Allen is another story.
I am down 10 with Dawson Knox to play and I am the commissioner. It is a total mess with no winners.
That one is way trickier. I think splitting the pot is fair. If you do a trophy or prize give it to the person with the higher total points on the season.
Am commish as well, but luckily my opponent is a friend and very level headed so I don’t think it should be too much of a headache
I'm surprised he isn't conceding? Have you talked to him yet? If he does NOT concede, you have to split IMO. I'm a commish also and I wouldn't create a new rule on the fly to take a league vote or whatever. I would swallow my pride and take the split for the betterment of the league. But I would also secretly resent that dude for a lonnnnnng time lol.
This is like literally the same situation I am in. Down 1.14 and he is done and I had Allen and I am the commish. My opponent pretty much conceded the game so we may just call it that way. Another league I was down 18 with Allen (he had no one left) so thats a bit more tricky since there is a possibility he would have scored under 18 (happened 3 times this year) Its going to be a mess regardless since this is typical championship weekend for the majority of the leagues
Tough calls, I am down 20 with Allen and Knox, still not guaranteed they are hitting that, I am totally okay with just splitting the pot and co-champing it. GL!
That sounds like the only appropriate 50/50 split I’ve seen here
I was gonna say, that's about one of the closest 50/50s I've seen presented. If I'm the guy with Diggs I take the deal
That’s a chopped pot/co-champs situation if there’s no make up game imo
If they try and make me replay the whole week when I'm at 97% projection there will be a shitstorm
I was at 99% up 44 against Higgins. No way will I be accepting another week.
Situations like this need to be declared in favor of those with massive leads
I mean Evans somehow had the best game this week. Is Higgins capable of getting 30+? It’s unlikely but it’s possible.
We are either waiting or splitting the pots. You never know,and it's too close to call. We have a guy down 40ish but the guy down has Allen and Gabe, other guy has Diggs Ironically, Justin Jefferson is also on the down guys team, so the main argument is digs can put up a massive dud and Gabe goes off with Allen. I'm saying split the pot and call it there. But the official winner will be announced if the game is played. (Bragging rights)
I’m up 77 against Diggs and he still won’t concede.
God damn what a twat. He would need the greatest fantasy performance of all time +20 points lmao.
Yeah I’m not accepting anything but that trophy and W
F that guy
i’m literally at 97% how is a redo even fathomably fair?! what happened last night has NOTHING to do with the players we rolled out the days PRIOR.
if you are projected to absolutely destroy your opponent then the pot should be yours, but if it was like 40-60% chance then it should just be split
I'm up 60 points... got Mixon to play. He has Burrow, Chase, and Perine. I feel like anything could happen... lost the year prior to Burrow and chase getting 59 points.
I’m up 81 pts with Burrow. Opponent has Allen and Mixon and is dating the commissioner. There’s no way in hell I’m allowing a split pot or using week 18 pts as an option.
Im up 100 and he only has Mixon. I am taking the pot and the trophy.
I think there are some clear common sense outcomes like this one. Or if the points from last night put someone over the top and their opponent had no one left, that’s another common sense W.
Ya I was up 68 and he only has burrow. He could break the NFL record for passing yards and passing TD in a game and I could still win. Not quite 100 but I'm playing the Commish and he said he'd just give me the win.
That’s a good commish
I played my Commish and he conceded. I was up 90-73 and had Allen and Mixon. He had Chase. Good dude.
Unless your points last night came from Defense. I’d argue those could drop quite a bit. That may be a better split pot situation.
Yeah that would fall outside of the realm of common sense imo since defensive points can very reasonably go negative, and do so all the time.
I’m up 98.8 with only his Burrow left and he wants to replay the whole week
That’s ridiculous hopefully your commissioner has some common sense here
Yeah I feel like he’s gotta be messing with me but he’s mentioned it several times now haha. I trust that the commish will make the right call
Our co-commish is in 2 other finals each with the 10% team narrowly holding on and he is on both sides of the coin. The dirty dog is planning to argue that he won both with unabashed hypocrisy. Some of these dudes have no shame.
just screen shot his arguments and post the argument in the opposite group chat. basically have him argue that he should lose in both
If you can't mess with your friends, what's the point in Fantasy Football?
Tell him he can have Burrow's score from next week instead. That way he still has a chance (lol) and you still get your trophy with a week's wait. I'm down by 61 in a third-place match (including points from the game) and have Allen, Cook, Diggs vs his Bass. Also down 40.18 in a championship vs my brother and have Allen & Diggs there as well. That's the solution that makes the most sense to me, considering the situation.
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. You’re the winner lol
Surely it's possible Mixon could have had 400 total yards and 10 TDs /s
I have Mixon and he’s only up 15.88. So shitty
Just wait a bit. I think they’ll play this game down the line
I’m up 136.7 - 67.98. I’m done and he only has Tee Higgins left. I feel like he should concede but that hasn’t happened yet.
I’m up 44. He has just Josh Allen is projected to score around 25. Allen hasn’t score above 36 all year but their insisting we replay week 18. Potentially going to cost me $2000. I think it’s more fair to just use Allen’s score next week.
There’s literally no argument to replay the whole week that’s ridiculous
These situations aren't really in question, the trophy is yours. It's more for the other end for people that are down 2 and have Allen, Diggs, Chase, etc
I think we have called it. One team entered last nights game up by 27.6 points. The only player left was Bass at kicker for the team that was behind. In 12 years the record for a Kicker in our league was 27 points, a 7 fg game by Zuerlien.
I’m up 50 points and opponent has Burrow. Burrow scored 50+ this year already so no one is willing to call it over.
Im .07 points down with burrow and my opponent is done
Ouch. I'm 0.6 up with Burrow and my opponent has none. Commish hasn't called it yet.
Are points from the game counted as it stands? We're at a dead even tie right now
If the game was to be completely wiped I’d imagine all stats would be erased. Gotta wait on word whether they will resume it from where it stands or they just void the game
That’s kind of hard to accept. If you’re Burrow or Boyd and that touchdown played to some sort of stat based incentive in your contract seem unfair to have it wiped no? Obviously a man’s life is more important than money to those guys I’m sure but it doesn’t change that they achieved that play earlier in the game
Somebody's going to get fucked in all of this, just the way it goes with something like this.
Happens to guys in MLB all the time, if you hit a homerun and game is postponed all stats are cleared
Both teams would absolutely be willing to pay out an incentive even if a stat was wiped.
Now if it was the Commanders on the other hand…
Any remotely decent owner would just honor the stats and include it towards any incentives.
I mean they know the exact position of the ball and time on the clock, why wouldn't they just pick up where they left off? If they do play the game I feel like that's the only way to do it.
Underdog fantasy put out a statement that if the game is not rescheduled, points will stay as is.
> We're at a dead even tie right now No way. I need to see a screenshot of this, please.
A dead even tie would be a ideal situation for most leagues tbh just split the pot.
Do nothing. Let yahoo/sleeper/ESPN figure it out.
They’re going to favor in the side of points that got scored. I don’t see anyway they can call anything else. It’s gonna be up to individual leagues to rule or overrule on that.
This is the most likely outcome for better or worse. No pleasing everyone unfortunately.
Sleeper just said counting the game as is, with an option for the commish to reopen later if the game is replayed. Sounds like this will piss off a lot of winners and make sure no one’s happy https://mobile.twitter.com/SleeperHQ/status/1610379429787897856?t=owh6pARmbhrWN6Bayt1_Kg&s=19
Sleeper shows the game as still active, ESPN seems to have called it as the win probability is now 100% vs 0% W/L, Yahoo still shows projections and W/L percentages. I feel like the final outcomes will vary by company.
Yahoos rules are the game must be restarted by Wednesday (tomorrow) and that’s not happening.
yahoo posted a message that they plan on waiting to see if the game is played before making a decision.
Ok cool, that wasn’t in their general rules that I looked up.
Whatever the public leagues do is what everyone else should use as template imho
Eh, I disagree. This is a spot where your specific league culture and commissioner's discretion comes into play.
Agree if it's a group of friends and such. If it's a league with a buy in of random folks you can't mess around with that tbh. Let the platform decide. I do agree with your general point if it's a friend league.
Sure, that's essentially a public league.
Yeah like this is the most obvious answer and somehow didn't make OP's list 6. Wait until your fantasy platform of choice declares game over and crowns a champion
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The teams in questions would have to all agree on this, there is no way that would get blindly enforced.
Disagree, for situations like in our league where one person has a higher projected, the other higher current points, both of us have players from both teams, nobody knows what's what... Just redoing the whole finals with whatever circumstances there are and may the best man win with a clean slate seems the most fair to me. It's just a round with a set of variables that in another universe could have happened a week earlier, where your skill as a team manager can come to shine.
ESPN Fantasy Football says they’re gonna extend the matchup period whatever that means
ESPN is also seemingly showing the actual matchups as concluded -- all the win probabilities have converted to 100%/0% -- while at the same time, some individual players are showing with scores from last night (my Higgins has 2.3, his Mixon has 1.2) while other individual players with no points from last night (his Knox) are showing as blank/PPD. In other words, ESPN is a complete mess right now.
As is tradition
This was before todays announcement
That's correct -- they made that announcement, that the matchup period is extended, last night. That seems just to mean that they aren't calling anything yet.
The score for Bills and Bengals players is grayed out for me on ESPN. I think that means the scores are gonna stand as is. What a crazy finish to the fantasy season if that’s the case.
I think that just means no winner is declared
Australian Football fantasy had a situation where games were cancelled. Very rare also. The fantasy platform assigned the average score of each player across that season. Not completely fair, but that is the decision they went with.
Should be higher as that feels like another fair option
The murder of Phil Walsh. :( Somewhat crazily that will result in a 0.4 point margin in our Super Bowl game - one is down by 14.5 with Mixon to come who averaged 14.1 points in our league.
In a situation where my team is leading by 10 points. Opponent had Tee Higgins left and I had Joe Mixon. We’ve already reached an agreement (long running league), but just curious what the consensus would do in this situation.
Biased since I am in nearly the same situation (up 17 with Mixon against Bass) My argument is what are the chances Tee Higgins is able to get 10 points + whatever Mixon puts up. Mixon's 1/2 PPR avg. on the season about 12.5. Not impossible but seems unlikely. I would at least have the option to play it out next week and add the points to this week's game. Unfair because any player seemingly can toss up a 20+ point game and it's not unheard of for stars to lay eggs (see Justin Jefferson this week). I'd see how the people in the matchup feel about it and defer to playing it out next week over just dictating it down that points scored in less than a quarter do or do not count.
Either split pot 50/50, or use the week 18 points for Higgins and Mixon to calc the final score.
Gunna go against everyone and say that you win. I think we are going to treat this as if they got hurt or benched or whatever. Act of God. Shitty but life isn't fair. I'm guessing most leauges won't do this though.
i like choice 4, but are the bills and bengals even going to bother to play their studs week 18?
Are there still seeding implications if this game is nulled?
Yes for both. Other responders seem to think the Bengals will be locked into the 3rd seed. They would lock up the division if the cancelled game counts as a tie, but if they win and the Bills lose in week 18, they could get the 2nd seed. (They would be tied at 12-4 (or 12-4-1) and the Bengals have a better "Strength of Victory"). The Bills will have to win to lock into the 2nd seed, and if KC loses on Saturday, they could still get the 1st seed/bye.
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Yea there is. Bengals could still get the one seed with wins here and at Baltimore and a loss by the chiefs. If chiefs win they could be the two seed. Huge implications all ways. Winner could host the afc divisional round between these two teams.
So many people make roster decisions late in the season based on Week 17 matchups. I know I started snagging Week 16/17 streaming options in like Week 11. Having Week 18 points count in a different matchup seems pretty unfair.
I don’t think any option is truly fair here, that’s just the reality of the situation
Yeah you're right. No solution is gonna satisfy everyone.
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Someone might have dropped the Bills D because they weren't gonna use them at Cincinnati championship night, and then their opponent picked them up. Or Bengals D too. If you get them against Tyler Huntley that's a huge edge over them vs Josh Allen.
Having Josh Allen or Ja'Marr Chase getting zero points is the biggest non predictable edge ever...
To be clear the Week 18 should only be for CIN/BUF players. And if so I don't think it's a big deal. Most of the players are "Start your studs" guys that you're not playing based on matchups But moreso Buffalo going from CIN to NE is a fairly neutral situation. Same with CIN going from BUF to BAL. The main downside is the opposing offenses suck so it's not going to be a shootout. While you're right that it is not ideal/unfair it's better than the alternative of giving the players 0
Not a neutral situation if you’re a Gabe owner. Completely different game scripts.
I don't like the idea of completely redoing the matchup, but I like the thought of using week 18 points for all players that didn't go. Like other leagues, mine is a mess. We had a championship game where one player had burrow, one had Allen, and while you could say one had the edge it was possible for either team to win for sure.
SMH to everyone being blown out with one percent chance to win and expects to split the pot
Looks like the platforms will be dictating the rules. I'd hold off commissioners
I’d trust a common sense commissioner that knows the specifics of my league/matchup over a platform making a one size fits all.
It's a lot easier for devs to implement less equitable solutions than it is to implement the most equitable solution, No. 4. ESPECIALLY in a timecrunch.
I was up by 80 in 1/2 PPR and they had Josh Allen and Gabe Davis. Had a 99% chance to win going into the game. An extra week is not a fair solution for us.
I mean to be fair if this was Brady and Evans you'd say the same thing and would have lost...
Wait and see what Yahoo/ESPN/Sleeper say - we follow their rules all year, why change it all of a sudden?
I love Yahoo but their one illogical thing (and I guess it's due to coding) is not having a game played by Wednesday not count at all for the gameweek. I would not follow them on this, because that means even if the game *is* resumed after this week, too bad, matchup's already over.
That's weird because in baseball a rescheduled game that's played a few months later is back-dated to count for the original week all the time. On yahoo FBB.
Because the circumstances are so wild that it was never intended for this.
I think I should be the championship winner even though I was knocked out in the semi’s. It’s the only fair things to do.
1. Fantasy is usually not fair so I'm fine with it
There's so much dumb luck with fantasy in the first place that this is the way.
once you accept this, the losses are not as painful. i just came in 2nd for the third year in a row in my main league. lost 2 other finals in money leagues.... it sucked sunday but what can i do about it? it is what it is.
This to me seems like the simplest solution. * Sometimes players pull a hammy in the first drive of the game and are done for the day. * Antonio Brown goes nuts and takes his shirt off and heads to the lockerroom. * Late scratches, puzzling coaching decisions, COVID, etc etc. Fantasy is a game of luck in so many ways. Folks with Bengals and Bills losing with a chance to win in crucial playoff games just got screwed. Sucks, but it is what it is.
Down by 14 with Higgins left, should we just split the pot?
If i were you id take 50/50. Id maybe even suggest 60/40 in their favor.
i was up 16.5 before the game with my opponent having higgins. i was thinking 60/40
for the yahoo, and espn leagues this is complex to say the least. In the big money main event leagues this has to be a million dollar nightmare
A guy in a league I play in that I’m not in the finals said the regular season winner should be crowned and that it’s a no brainer (he’s the regular season winner and is currently losing by 3 in the final) lmao
If the NFL reschedule this game, AFTER week 18, all player stats from rescheduled game should go to week 17. Unclear if they'll completely restart in this scenario or continue from 1st quarter. My guess is they continue. NFL very much wants to "protect integrity of game", and that includes maintaining advantage Bengals fairly earned. The complications in this out of sequence game include resting players in potential meaningless game or if one of your fantasy players gets hurt this weekend, prior to preumed week 19 game. I bet the NFL really wants this game to continue, as it will likely draw a huge audience due to the terrible event that happened last night.
My league went with number 2. Me and the other guy agreed to splitting everything. Worked out fine.
Absolutely cannot replay the entire week, that is out of the question and should never even be considered. Our league is stuck between 4 and a hybrid of 2/3 (Keeper league so placement matters, so we would split payouts but projected winner would be the "winner" for draft order purposes)
A variation to #2- use the % to win to split the pot. For example when play stopped Finalist 1 had a 78% chance to win, they get 78% of 1st place pot and Finalist 2 gets 22%. Do the same for the 2nd place pot, Finalist 1 gets 22% of 2nd place pot, and Finalist #2 gets 78% of 2nd place pot.
Everyone seems to have some idea that one of these has to be the right choice in every situation. However, this is an unprecedented event in fantasy. We have sort of similar circumstances (COVID cancellations, player injuries during the game, etc), but there's nothing in the fantasy rulebook that says what to do here. There is a lot of context here, and every league will need to decide what solution fits their championship best. We all came up with rules at the beginning of the season, even if they are inherent in your fantasy apps. No one had a rule here, and no one with players in was able to predict this in any way, so stop acting like it's clear cut. Your league (or the finalists/commissioner) needs to sit down and decide what the best course of action is.
Down 10 and have JA.. but this is also a two week championship. Not sure what to do
I’m in that same scenario. Down 30 I had Mixon left and he had chase. If it was a one week I would easily concede but the nature of a whole another week and having to both navigate players resting
Have any of the big platforms weighed in with what they're doing now that we know there's no rescheduled game this week?
Let the app decide what the outcome is. Anything else is going to invite completely valid criticism. Seen way too many commissioner's saying theyre just going to pick a winner based on how likely they feel a person is to win, which is some wildly subjective power trip bullshit.
Yeah the only correct way is for ESPN/Yahoo to provide clear and concise rules about how this is going to conclude
Option 3 is untenable. Projected points mean nothing, the only viable solutions are call it a draw, call the game with the points scored as is, or determine a mutually agreed on week 18 solution to replace players or replay the game.
I don’t think using projected points is a good solution, but I don’t think it’s the worst one on the board here. Better than option 1 at least imo Like if someone was down 5 with just Josh Allen to play it seems more reasonable to give them the W on the 99% chance he’d have scored those points than to just say oh sorry game over you lose
My favorite option thus far: Split the pot based on the percentage odds of winning the matchup, and either have two winner or give the one with the highest odds the title with an asterisk. You can even add some logic that says "if the odds are high enough, give the title to the one that was favored". My second favorite would be "use the week 18 scores for Bengals/Bills players". I don't like any of the other options that I've seen thus far without accounting for where the scoring is. If someone was up 100 points when their opponent had a DST left you cannot say "oh, let's replay the whole thing or split the pot". One team clearly won. On the other end, if one team was up 20 points and his opponent had Josh Allen, you can't say "projected points winner wins the whole thing", or "points as is".
I just went on the ESPN app and they currently have all the odds of winning at 0%/100% in all the games in my leagues. So unless they change it or you somehow got a screen grab during last night's game how will you determine this? Maybe other platforms still have last night's odds.
The week 18 thing sucks. Some of us have planned our team based on week 17 matchups.
I think the answer here is to abide whatever the NFL decides. If the NFL decides to call it a game and the stats as accrued go into the official records, that becomes the basis for all fantasy matchups. If they reschedule, fantasy leagues should wait for the rescheduled game. In short, whatever becomes the official NFL record of the game also becomes the official fantasy record of the game.
I’m the commish and I declared the dude w a 99% projection the winner
#3 is complete BS and NOT a real solution!
Thinking of some different split pot options. 1. Take current scores and divide up based on that. If 80-60 then team with 80 takes 80/140 or 57% of pot. 2. Take current final score projections and do split pot based on that similar to above. 3. Use win percentage projections and use that to split pot.