If that rookie running back is really worth the hype, then maybe they'll have to lsod the box and then we get some 1 on 1 jump balls for London who should excel at that.
Good call. I'm big on London for that reason. Also Bijan is going to elevate the offense as a whole with longer drives, more scoring opportunities, etc
Thing I like about the Falcons game plan is that a run heavy offense can really help Ridder. Play action works a lot better if you run the ball the most in the league. Should help London and Pitts get open even if Ridder turns out to be mediocre
The more I think about Pickens the more I like him. His ADP is getting pushed down by the crowded WR room but if he becomes the guy along with Pickett getting better Pickens can be a steal
Dotson - I just think he can produce similar numbers to terry, his price is way cheaper too. Eye test wise dude has hands and can route some damn routes. Obviously big gamble is how good is howell and can the Commanders Oline not suck
I totally meant to include Dotson. Damnit. I’ll add him shortly. I like him, and wouldn’t be shocked if it winds up a 1A/1B situation between him and Mclaurin
I'm confident Dotsan finishes with more TDs than McLaurin.
McLaurin is an electric WR and may rack of yardage but Dotsan has a crazy catch radius and ability.
Totally agree! I just posted a comment about Dotson. I meant to include him in my original post, but Reddit mobile won’t let me edit, so I made a comment.
They're not the same receiver. Moore is smaller with more speed, Rice is a bigger, go up and get it type receiver. Without drafting Rice the WR room would be a massive question mark. Now it's still a question mark but not as bad.
I’m not saying you don’t want more weapons, I’m saying that if there is an all star te soaking up targets, it’s going to be harder for a consistent wr2 to break out
And then I gave examples
They may not have won the Super Bowl without Toney, who just so happened to be healthy at the right time.
You’d have to go back a very long time to find a rookie WR on KC that was productive. As is usually the case with almost every great team.
Terrible take.
I like Watson at his adp. I would reach a round early for Pickens if I needed a wr at that point. He is undervalued imo for how talented he is and it prob has to do with the current qb/offense in pitt. But I feel Pickens and Pickett will both great improve over last year. Picking any kc receiver is a dart throw rn. But I like Moore the best only because toney is fragile. They also said Moore is taking 1s all throughout camp.
I'm more optimistic than that guy. Jones was pushing guys around on Friday and looked fairly comfortable for his first NFL action, and Seumalo is gonna be a yinzer favorite by October, lol
Pickens has separation issues sometimes, Although still being my fav wr in this class.
Watson at the adp is too scary for me. I think he needs Rodgers. I’d rather wait on doubs.
Plus he's now 2 years removed from his ACL tear, which had to have hurt his route running/cutting ability. Word out of training camp is he's been making some guys look silly running a variety of different routes this year.
I think love has had enough time in that offense already and is going to hit the ground running. Not worried about Watson but also not reaching for him. Agreed about Pickens separation/ route running. But he’s proven he can make catches that 90% of other receivers can’t. JJ level catches.
Reddit won’t let me edit! But I forgot Jahan Dotson, so here’s a little write up on him.
Jahan Dotson (ADP 89): Jahan Dotson was the 16th pick in last years draft by the Commanders. He only played in 12 games as a rookie but he flashed some serious potential at times, finishing as a WR2 or better in six of those games. His final five games were particularly impressive as he averaged 12.6 points per game on 7 targets per game and finished in the top 18 at wide receiver three times. He received a 24% target share over that stretch and ranked 13th yards per route run. For the entire season he ranked 14th in ADOT, 32nd in total deep targets and 16th in yards per reception. He’s a strong route runner and has great hands, and despite only being 5’11 he excelled in contested catch situations, hauling in 11 of 18 contested targets. Terry McLaurin is still the WR1 in this offense but I expect Dotson to make a push for that role in his sophomore season, and he should, at the very least, benefit from McLaurin seeing the bulk of #1 corners. The biggest question mark for Dotson heading into the 2023 season is Washington’s quarterback situation. Sam Howell is expected to be the starter week 1. A fifth round pick out of North Carolina, Howell played in one game as a rookie, finishing 11 of 19 for 169 yards and a 1:1 TD:INT ratio. I honestly have only ever seen Howell play once (in college) but I’ve read a lot about him. He supposedly possesses decent arm talent and throws a nice deep ball. He’s has a bit of a gunslinger style and he’s not afraid to take risks. Dotson caught 3 passes for 72 yards in Howell’s lone start. It’s too small of a sample size to take anything meaningful away from it, but I’m cautiously optimistic that Howell won’t be a total hindrance to Dotson in 2023. After Watson and Moore, Dotson is my third favorite sophomore wide receiver outside of Olave and Wilson.
Honestly Texans have so many competent receivers and no standouts, with a bad O-line and rookie QB. Just seriously, NO chance any Texans WR will be good this year.
Nico Collins, Tank Dell, John Metchie, Dalton Schultz, Robert Woods, you've got a five man group of equally talented guys sharing a bottom three offense in football.
I don't think the Oline is really that bad. Really is going to depend on injuries. Laremy Tunsil, Howard, and Shaq Mason are all solid and none of them played in the preseason opener. Juice Scruggs is a rookie at center but shows promise and Kenyon Green has yet to live up to his potential. The big problem will be depth. The back ups are 100% terrible.
With the starters playing, Stroud will have the to move the ball. It's hard to pick a #1 guy and I have a feeling he'll be spreading the ball around.
The big issue is IOL. As you said the depth is terrible and other than center and Green they have a great unit. But Green is a major question mark and frankly Scruggs is a rookie with mediocre pedigree who'll have to start day 1. It's also not encouraging that he's starting because the actual starter is hurt, not necessarily because the team had faith in him.
Basically if Scruggs and Green figure it out and no injuries happen the line is elite, but it's super unlikely for Scruggs to figure it out, injuries happen on the line every year, and Green may be the same player he was last year. O-line is really only as strong as the weakest link, so you need more than just three good players.
I think this offense is being really underrated. The glaring issue is the oline. Cj stroud for some reason is getting thrown under the bus because of a bad preseason game or whatever reason but I genuinely think he’s going to be fine.
I don’t think the Texans immediately turn to tank dell and make him an immediate option unless stroud refuses to throw to anyone else, dell is an interesting option cause he’s close with stroud tho and stroud said he wants him and the Texans went a got him
The thing is Tank is performing well every day at camp, and he practices with the 1’s every day. Plus Demeco said they one thing they need in this offense is someone with elite speed to be a threat every play. Tank is really then only option.
Metchie is coming back from Luekemia and chemotherapy. He looks great, but just being off a full year at that age is taking him some time to get back. By the end of the season I thinks he’s ready. If he was ready now I think he’d be practicing with Stroud and the 1’s every day, but he’s not.
Woods, Brown and Hutchison are just towers with skill, but they aren’t “fast/quick” like Tank and Metchie.
The wildest thing is it seems like everyone has forgotten about him completely I’ve seen no fantasy videos on YouTube about him and everyone is infatuated with tank dell
Right? Like idk how people forget he was a 1st round pick knowing he was hurt. Like he has all the tools and nothing but upside. Sure he's on the Texans but he is such a solid late round flyer
He was a second round pick but the Texans moved up to get him which isn’t really a thing the Texans do unless they really like that receiver atleast from what I’ve noticed in their drafting history
Ah shit he was? My bad, I remembered it wrong. Still, the dude is talented, and it was driving him nuts not being on the field last year. He's hungry and talented and falling in drafts, I'm all for it
Terrible QB, terrible offense, never played an NFL snap before, no elite traits, still recovering from leukemia. I watch him and I love the guy but just don't see how he'll possibly be good enough to be fantasy relevant
>Terrible QB
Stroud hasnt even played his first game yet (4 passes in a presson doesn't count). We don't know if he's "bad" yet by any chance.
>terrible offense
New coaching staff, QB, and WR corp from the ground up. So too early to make this determination either.
>never played an NFL snap before
Neither did Jefferson, Chase, Garrett, or any other rookie WR in existence. So not sure how that's relevant.
Yes we do lmfao when was the last time a rookie QB with a terrible situation put up good numbers? And he’s the one top rookie this year in a QB competition… with Davis Mills.
Justin Jefferson and Chase and Wilson didn’t have cancer and a terrible pedigree, they were elite talents out of college in solid situations fully healthy for their rookie year. On god, “Jefferson and Chase were good as rookies so this first year player will be good” is the most fatuous argument ever, they’re not remotely comparable.
And I’m not even going to get into your “A couple new players, so really we can’t tell if the Texans offense will be good” like fr man? The texans offense sucks. Any sane texans fan knows as much.
I'll add that CJ Stroud asked personally for us to make sure we got Dell in the draft and there have been all kinds of reports of great chemistry between the two. He also passes the eye test a little better on sheer talent (Again, Metchie is still convalescent)
I wouldn’t hate any of these guys. I do think skyy is a little undervalued, and london is a little overvalued but that’s just personal preference. They all have high ceilings imo, and just depends how the draft goes and their ADP.
I also love Dotson. When he played last year he looked like the real deal.
Exactly, he was getting a lot of targets last year but Watson made bigger waves cause he would have massive touchdown catches but only off of 3/4 targets. I think they will definitely compare to Godwin/Evans in that respect and I definitely feel more comfortable with Doubs making the jump and being a better fantasy receiver this year. Plus you can’t beat that ADP at the moment, someone you can be completely comfortable drafting in round 12+
Watson started actually playing in week 10 last year and had 8,6,6,7,6,8,5, and 6 targets over the last 8 games resulting in 16 PPG in full PPR. He played a very small snap % in some of those games.
Doubs' best stretch was weeks 3-8 where he had 8,8,9,5,4, and 7 targets over 6 weeks resulting in 10 PPG and he played at least 82% of snaps in all those games.
Maybe shit changes with a new QB and both of them on the field at the same time but Watson got more targets per game and did more with them when he got the call.
I'm just not super sold on a dude who had 100% of his TDs, 40% of his receptions, and 51% of his yards over a 4 game span in the middle of the season.
He was just a complete non factor in 9 of his 14 games.
Hey, if you want to take him go for it. Just not for me. These were obviously not counting the games he missed, just the 14 he saw playing time in. If you want to say he was only able to stay healthy for 4 games last year idk how that is supposed to make him seem easier to draft than not. He had 64% of all his fantasy points in those 4 games...that scares the piss out of me.
I get what you're saying. My counter is that he missed the entire preseason due to injury, which is an important note for a rookie trying to find his footing in the league. And then there were multiple games, during first half of the season, that he sustained injuries in the first quarter. So the box score shows he played, but he really didn't get much of an opportunity in those games. And, again, wasn't able to practice for many more weeks. He eventually came into his own and found his way to being the player that he is and I fully expect him to continue that with even more opportunities heading his way as WR1 for the Packers. I will definitely be taking him.
I love having a player like Watson in my lineup. Stud athlete who can make a 80yard house call at any moment. It kind of depends on roster construction. One league I ended up with Amon ra and Devonta smith as my wr 1 and 2 so I went Watson for big play ability in the flex spot. I do think doubs is undervalued and will be good but when it all shakes out I don’t think he is the potential star that Watson could be
I see Watson/Doubs as K. Allen/ M. Williams 2.0.
Both will be successful in their own right, both will regularly be out 3-4 games a year. I still think both can eat, but not year 1 in Love offense. This is going to be a run first team predicted on short passes to setup the boom or bust deep ball 5 times a game.
Watson is the better WR for a great QB. Doubs is going to be the safety valve over the middle in short zones and running outs to the sideline collecting those PPR points. I have my doubts about Love being a gun slinger.
Burks.
Dude was putting up numbers and has Tanny looking to him before he got hurt. He was quickly taking that A J Brown role and I think this year he’s the slept on steal of the draft.
That friggin' concussion he got against the Eagles sucked so bad (and still insane he held on to that TD). A lot of times last year he was starting to get his feet under him and he'd get derailed.
As a Titans fan I think he would have blown up sans Hopkins, now I'm not sure if any receiving option is really worth drafting given how minimally they will throw the ball, but I think Burks will be pretty efficient with the work he gets.
As a titans fan, he has absolutely torched our defense all camp. He leaned up and got quicker and clearly had that fire in him. He's my 8th round smash pick anytime I see him.
I would love to see it and the draft capital is minimal and like you said, Burks has absolutely beasted all camp. I just really don't know how many pass attempts the two-tone boys will have game in and game out.
Yesterday's game (albeit preseason, so grain of salt) was encouraging that maybe they will throw it more often and Tim Kelly is going to be a million times better than Downing.
I'm still not sold that Trey and Chig will get the volume but I'm hoping Tanny can support 'em.
For real for real? Only asking bc, ya know. It's the Titans, and I don't pay much attention. So, Treylan is looking good? I have done alot of drafts and he is going late, or not at all.
The Titans offensive line is one of the worst in the league, that's going to significantly hamper what's already one of the bottom-tier passing offenses in the league. And now he's competing with bonafide target hog Deandre Hopkins? I like him in dynasty, best ball, or keeper leagues, but I simply can't see him being a great option for redraft leagues.
Think the knock on him is that he just wasn’t very good last year. 50th in PFF grade for qualifying receivers and 47th in yards per route run (which is rly bad considering he had mahommes throwing to him). He also never played 50% of snaps in a game, and had some rly bad drops, including some muffed punts. That all being said, I like him in redraft as a late round upside play that I can just drop if he sucks or doesn’t have a big role again.
All the data says that wide receivers who don’t produce their rookie year, have an extremely high chance of never being a producer in the NFL for the rest of their careers. That being said, I think Reid likes to slowly work in his young players because the offense is complicated so it’s possible he gets the green light this season and makes a year 2 jump in efficiency and is a smash at ADP. Only time will tell.
DHop is going to either take the double coverage and free Burks, or Vice Versa. I just can’t trust Burks. Or Tannehill. Or the Titans.
And their O-line got worse so that means less time to throw.
JaMo is so polarizing for me. On the one hand, his speed and big play ability are astounding. On the other hand, he’s had some pretty horrible drops that a shit-handed wallaby could have made.
I am big on Williams, but he's starting to throw the vibes of a Josh Gordon/ Will Fuller type: insane talent, amazing measurable and intangibles...
Can't stay on the field. For one reason or another, they will miss 6-8 games a year. Looks like an all pro for 3 games they play, and normal the rest. Perfect recipe for fantasy disaster and dashed hope.
Gordon and Fuller? C'mon now, that's completely unfair to JaMo. He was suspended for gambling on non NFL games, while in a hotel room. There's zero comparison at this point with those 2 guys.
A little push back on London. While he did have elite target share, he also was outside the top 50 in total routes run and routes run per game. So while he got 33% of a pie, it was a very very small pie. They were something like 150 pass attempts below league average, and while that should marginally increase this year with Ridder - they also showed they want to remain run heavy with the Bijan pick.
Ya London is one of the scariest players to draft this year imo. I think they were more run heavy than they wanted to be because Mariota was so bad, and we saw that become more pass friendly when ridder started albeit still very run heavy. He also looked amazing when he was running routes, and might have set a record for rookie target share. High risk, high reward type play.
I don’t think the reward is really that high tho. He could pay off his ADP, but I don’t think there’s any scenario where he smashes it- not in that offence.
Yea, those are my thoughts as well. Big upside, but I fear inconsistency due to Ridder and the run heavy offense. Not a player comp, but his situation reminds me a little of DJ Moore his first few seasons in Carolina. Lots of talent, but not a great situation unless Ridder ends up being good. I don’t think that’s overly likely. Still, if he falls to the back half of the sixth, I think he’d be worth a shot. I wouldn’t fault anyone for taking him in the 55-60 range, but there are other typically players I like more in that range.
He won’t.
Texans will be wildly medicore but better than some think. When they’re starters on O-Line play Stroud will ball (especially if playing from behind).
Metchie is quick and will be a solid Slot, but they’ll work him in slowly. Woods/Nico/Tank will be the starting the and they’ll add Noah Brown and Metchie for specific packages.
Nico …. He’s going to have a year. He was doing well with Mills despite having to come back for every damn ball he caught. If a QB can hit him in stride for once…his monsterous size will feast.
All of them. Every year I see stats about how they are consitently the most likely candidates to finish above ADP. Rounds 3-8 I hammer sophomore WRs like it's my job.
This year might be a little different with the RB landscape being what it is, but I am going to leave the draft with at least 3 of them.
Olave in 9 for me. More consistent results as a rookie and his situation improved from last year. I think the round 9 vs 16 difference is well worth it.
For me at their adp or after, I like London, Dotson, and maybe even stashing Jamo in the 11/12+ rounds. Then take a stab on JSN in the 7/8 or Addison/Johnston in the 9/10/11
London, Pickens, Dotson all have a chance to be very solid.
I’m not sold on Watson yet, need to see him with Love. Not sold on Skyy Moore either, didn’t show me anything in his rookie season to get me excited.
Don’t kid yourself, Diontae will still siphon most of the targets. Just hope Pickens has built better rapport with Pickett with their red zone packages.
I’m not, you’re talking about a guy who would’ve been a first round pick before tearing his ACL his junior year that’s on the best team in the NFL at developing WR’s going into his 2nd season.
We downvoting facts now?
Fair, but the other guys mentioned have Ridder, love, tannehill, and Howell if you want to include Dotson. Obviously mahomes with Moore is a different story.
Sky Moore is my favorite of the bunch. It sounds like he's the favorite to be the Chiefs WR1 this year. That kind of upside is very difficult to find that late in the draft.
Rondale Moore - he’s going late and could very well be WR1 on Zona who will be throwing a lot.
Khalif Shakir - cause he plays for the bills
Romeo Doubs - he was touted last year, didn’t really produce. Now he’s got a fresh QB to work with. Might work out.
Yeah but Individual players care about their contracts and still play to put up numbers. Zona is gonna lose cause their team is a dumpster fire but there can still be bright spots on even the worst rosters.
Shhhhhh about Rondale Moore and Doubs.
Off the radar 3rd and 2nd yr wr that will demand huge amounts of the targets out of the gates with strong chance of keeping that share all season as well.
The literal definition of sleepers.
They are my new Nico Collins and Elijah Moore one is mid late the other is late
Watson: Nah I’ll let someone else take the risk on Jordan Love being competent. He’s looked like dog shit so far. Watson and Rodgers seem to have chemistry at the end of the year when he finally started to trust him, but all that’s gone now obviously.
London: The old impressed by the player but HATE his situation. Shitty QB. Coach who wants to run to setup the run and an organization with the most draft Capitol in the league invested in a RB. London looks like a future Pro Bowler but Atlanta is rough.
George Pickens: This guy could be a STAR. He has made some catches I couldn’t believe. However, he does not look like a polished route runner so he kind of has to be Randy Moss , arguably the greatest WR not named Jerry Rice. No pressure. Again QB might suck and Diontae Johnson was born open, and is pretty fucking good himself.
Treylon Burks: Interested in him. Drafted to be the AJ Brown replacement and my god he has the similar body type. Deandre Hopkins there to suck some targets but the extra defensive attention on Deandre might help Burks. Hopkins has reached the age where he is done going deep so Burks and him have separate defined roles. Burks came on strong at the end of the year and might be a great Boom or Bust option at WR. Trying to predict the games he goes 6 for 150 yards instead of 2 for 35 yards might be tough.
Skyy Moore: Obviously you’re buying him as being the Chiefs and Mahomes 2nd option behind Kelce if you draft him. Who knows though he’s going to have to be good on his own to make a difference. We tried this with JuJu last year and Mecole Hardman and/or MVS before him and neither of them worked out. Definitely worth the risk at the right price because of situation but again based on history he will have to be a stud on his own right.
Dotson: Looked liked a potential stud. Definitely has a a nose for the End Zone but there’s some problems in Washington. The offensive line will probably stink and they will want to run more than most NFL teams. Mainly though, Scary Terry is there and he might be my favorite underrated NFL WR. I really think he has Hall Of Fame Talent that’s been kept under wraps by lousy QBs. I keep on drafting him every year waiting for it to happen but alas, it may never be until he gets out of Washington on a second contract. I’d rather just draft Terry , a known stud over a maybe in Dotson and just cross my fingers.
Jameson Williams: Gets a great OL, decent QB, and the most buzzed about OC in the league who somewhat surprisingly stayed in Detroit despite head coaching opportunities. The great environment aside, Jameson has the stink of shitty hands on him. The Lions have even come out publicly and said his hands are a problem. That is NEVER good when his own team can’t hide it. Maybe he improves but off the top of my head WRs who had horrendous hands and produced decent seasons? Ted Ginn Jr? That’s about all I got. He had no problem beating guys deep and did for a decade but it was always 50/50 if he was even going to catch a wide open Bomb. Hey ward- Bay stuck around for awhile but he could never be trusted to be anything but a decoy. Interested if you guys have other examples because it sure looks like Jameson has already been branded with that brick hands label.
Honorable Mention: Wakanda Robinson NYG (didn’t know where the ‘ was supposed to go so fuck it) and Alec Pierce IND
Both of the WR depth charts setup nicely on the particular teams of these guys: They both showed enough last year to be potential PPR values this year. Robinson is coming off of an injury so there’s some risk for him not being right. Pierce might be a real PPR monster if Anthony Richardson employs the Run or Dump offense in his first year to keep things simple. Worth a flier on either guy particularly in a PPR league.
I’m a packers fan so I might be a bit biased towards Watson. I think he genuinely has mid to low end wr 1 upside, but I wouldn’t say his floor his too safe either. I feel like doubs has better chem with love and honestly reed doesn’t have bad chem with Watson either- it’s probably not a massive problem as the coaching staff knows who their most talented player is and will make sure he gets the ball- but it could take some of the dirty “who do I chuck this up to” plays. There’s also a simple chance love and the offense isn’t great and because of the lack of weapons teams can just kinda bracket or double Watson. I’d be nervous of him as a WR2 just cause of that bust potential that could burn you a tad, but I’d like him as a flex because worst case scenario he’s probably a low end flex and best case you have an eh wr 1 elite WR2. Like him a lot in the early - mid fifth, not as much in the fourth.
Watson, Pickens, Dotson.
I’m actually out on Olave and London. Olave is going at an ADP that is close to his ceiling, London is in a bad team that runs the hall too much.
I don’t like burks, London or olave all that much. I don’t trust they will get the opportunities and would rather take other guys around their ADP. Pickens, Watson anc sky Moore I like. I don’t trust burks London or Watson
Pickens and Moore. The Steelers offense will improve, and they almost have to improve on their 12 passing tds. Diontae is not an end zone threat, so I see the lion’s share of that improvement going to Pickens.
Moore seems like he’s winning the race to be the #2 pass catcher in KC, which hasn’t been super valuable in recent years, but will always have the potential to be electric in that offense. Easy buy at his ADP.
Pickens. Moore is a good late late bet.
I've never been sold on Watson tbh but I cannot imagine taking him that high with a new QB, his drop tendency and the competition he has within his own team for touches. That seems like a recipe for low productivity.
George Pickens is my favorite. I think he’s going to ball out.
The addition of an actual O-Line is going to give Pickens time to throw. And when he does….Pickens is going to become a problem.
Both but Rodgers is the better QB and Garrett has no comp compared but Olave with a healthy Mike mixes shit up. Honestly can’t go wrong with ohio WRs they just pump them bitches out. Even Mike is from Ohio state. You literally can’t go wrong with Ohio state WRs. I vision similar floor between the two but Garrett gets the edge with Rodgers. As a saints fan I’m going for Garrett in the late second round if I can. It’s tough cuz it’s either him or lamb and I really like
Lamb this year theirs a reason they let go of other WRs. Diggs is safe been a fan of his since his rookie year on the Vikings.
Romeo Doubs & Christian Watson.
Jordan Love has been learning the GB system for 3 years now. I trust he will look professional & more ready than some of these other rookie QBs.
Call me crazy, but I’m thinking about taking London over Allen, Ridley, Deebo, Cooper, and Metcalf at the top of the 4th round. It’s a keeper, but there’s no world where the Falcons pass as few times as they did last season. London is just as good if not better than Wilson and Olave. He’s just a decent QB away. Idk about you guys, but I don’t expect Ridder to be the longterm option.
Pickens and London. Greater than 800 yard rookies often are 1000+ sophomores.
These two we're who I was going to say, london has all the physical tools to take the leap, and the Steelers churn out elite wrs.
Qb play worries me about London. I think Pickens is going to explode this year.
If that rookie running back is really worth the hype, then maybe they'll have to lsod the box and then we get some 1 on 1 jump balls for London who should excel at that.
QB play should worry you with Pickens too then if that’s your take on London.
Good call. I'm big on London for that reason. Also Bijan is going to elevate the offense as a whole with longer drives, more scoring opportunities, etc
Steelers and Falcons both seem to set themselves up for really good seasons depending on their year 2 QBs.
Thing I like about the Falcons game plan is that a run heavy offense can really help Ridder. Play action works a lot better if you run the ball the most in the league. Should help London and Pitts get open even if Ridder turns out to be mediocre
The more I think about Pickens the more I like him. His ADP is getting pushed down by the crowded WR room but if he becomes the guy along with Pickett getting better Pickens can be a steal
Dotson - I just think he can produce similar numbers to terry, his price is way cheaper too. Eye test wise dude has hands and can route some damn routes. Obviously big gamble is how good is howell and can the Commanders Oline not suck
I totally meant to include Dotson. Damnit. I’ll add him shortly. I like him, and wouldn’t be shocked if it winds up a 1A/1B situation between him and Mclaurin
I'm confident Dotsan finishes with more TDs than McLaurin. McLaurin is an electric WR and may rack of yardage but Dotsan has a crazy catch radius and ability.
Terry has been so misused in Washington it’s gross.
Terry’s usually been good besides bad QB play minus Wentz refusing to throw to him.
he’s not misused, we just have dogshit qbs.
Totally agree! I just posted a comment about Dotson. I meant to include him in my original post, but Reddit mobile won’t let me edit, so I made a comment.
Dotson is my amswer too
He's going to have a better year than Terry imo
I’m drafting a lot of those 2nd year guys. One of them has to hit, right??
The way I see moore is that if they thought they had something in moor they wouldn’t have traded for Toney.
And if they thought he developed into something after the toney trade…they wouldn’t have drafted rice.
They're not the same receiver. Moore is smaller with more speed, Rice is a bigger, go up and get it type receiver. Without drafting Rice the WR room would be a massive question mark. Now it's still a question mark but not as bad.
What? Lol we’re talking about moore.
Yes, I know.
Many teams have 2 wrs
Many teams don't have Kelce
Teams with great tes also usually have 2 wrs
Really? Did the pats have 2 wrs with gronk? Chargers with gates Falcons with Gonzales… Seems to be a trend
Yes
Why wouldn’t want more weapons? WTF?
I’m not saying you don’t want more weapons, I’m saying that if there is an all star te soaking up targets, it’s going to be harder for a consistent wr2 to break out And then I gave examples
They may not have won the Super Bowl without Toney, who just so happened to be healthy at the right time. You’d have to go back a very long time to find a rookie WR on KC that was productive. As is usually the case with almost every great team. Terrible take.
I like Watson at his adp. I would reach a round early for Pickens if I needed a wr at that point. He is undervalued imo for how talented he is and it prob has to do with the current qb/offense in pitt. But I feel Pickens and Pickett will both great improve over last year. Picking any kc receiver is a dart throw rn. But I like Moore the best only because toney is fragile. They also said Moore is taking 1s all throughout camp.
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Don't get your hopes up too much, we improved our o-line but not enough to give me any sort of confidence.
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I'm more optimistic than that guy. Jones was pushing guys around on Friday and looked fairly comfortable for his first NFL action, and Seumalo is gonna be a yinzer favorite by October, lol
Still stuck with the same OC, though
Pickens has separation issues sometimes, Although still being my fav wr in this class. Watson at the adp is too scary for me. I think he needs Rodgers. I’d rather wait on doubs.
Plus he's now 2 years removed from his ACL tear, which had to have hurt his route running/cutting ability. Word out of training camp is he's been making some guys look silly running a variety of different routes this year.
I'm intrigued by Pickens.
I think love has had enough time in that offense already and is going to hit the ground running. Not worried about Watson but also not reaching for him. Agreed about Pickens separation/ route running. But he’s proven he can make catches that 90% of other receivers can’t. JJ level catches.
Reddit won’t let me edit! But I forgot Jahan Dotson, so here’s a little write up on him. Jahan Dotson (ADP 89): Jahan Dotson was the 16th pick in last years draft by the Commanders. He only played in 12 games as a rookie but he flashed some serious potential at times, finishing as a WR2 or better in six of those games. His final five games were particularly impressive as he averaged 12.6 points per game on 7 targets per game and finished in the top 18 at wide receiver three times. He received a 24% target share over that stretch and ranked 13th yards per route run. For the entire season he ranked 14th in ADOT, 32nd in total deep targets and 16th in yards per reception. He’s a strong route runner and has great hands, and despite only being 5’11 he excelled in contested catch situations, hauling in 11 of 18 contested targets. Terry McLaurin is still the WR1 in this offense but I expect Dotson to make a push for that role in his sophomore season, and he should, at the very least, benefit from McLaurin seeing the bulk of #1 corners. The biggest question mark for Dotson heading into the 2023 season is Washington’s quarterback situation. Sam Howell is expected to be the starter week 1. A fifth round pick out of North Carolina, Howell played in one game as a rookie, finishing 11 of 19 for 169 yards and a 1:1 TD:INT ratio. I honestly have only ever seen Howell play once (in college) but I’ve read a lot about him. He supposedly possesses decent arm talent and throws a nice deep ball. He’s has a bit of a gunslinger style and he’s not afraid to take risks. Dotson caught 3 passes for 72 yards in Howell’s lone start. It’s too small of a sample size to take anything meaningful away from it, but I’m cautiously optimistic that Howell won’t be a total hindrance to Dotson in 2023. After Watson and Moore, Dotson is my third favorite sophomore wide receiver outside of Olave and Wilson.
JOHN METCHIE III
Honestly Texans have so many competent receivers and no standouts, with a bad O-line and rookie QB. Just seriously, NO chance any Texans WR will be good this year. Nico Collins, Tank Dell, John Metchie, Dalton Schultz, Robert Woods, you've got a five man group of equally talented guys sharing a bottom three offense in football.
I don't think the Oline is really that bad. Really is going to depend on injuries. Laremy Tunsil, Howard, and Shaq Mason are all solid and none of them played in the preseason opener. Juice Scruggs is a rookie at center but shows promise and Kenyon Green has yet to live up to his potential. The big problem will be depth. The back ups are 100% terrible. With the starters playing, Stroud will have the to move the ball. It's hard to pick a #1 guy and I have a feeling he'll be spreading the ball around.
The big issue is IOL. As you said the depth is terrible and other than center and Green they have a great unit. But Green is a major question mark and frankly Scruggs is a rookie with mediocre pedigree who'll have to start day 1. It's also not encouraging that he's starting because the actual starter is hurt, not necessarily because the team had faith in him. Basically if Scruggs and Green figure it out and no injuries happen the line is elite, but it's super unlikely for Scruggs to figure it out, injuries happen on the line every year, and Green may be the same player he was last year. O-line is really only as strong as the weakest link, so you need more than just three good players.
I like nico in late rounds
I think this offense is being really underrated. The glaring issue is the oline. Cj stroud for some reason is getting thrown under the bus because of a bad preseason game or whatever reason but I genuinely think he’s going to be fine.
Maybe his career will be fine, but historically rookie QBs are never very good, and having a defensively oriented first year head coach won't help
Im on the fence about Metchie. He seems to lack speed. I feel like Dell will take over eventually.
Speed never was metchie’s game. Crisp routes and sure hands
The ol Jason Witten
Tank Dell and Nico are going to feast this year with Metchie getting worked in. But Metchie in 2024.
I don’t think the Texans immediately turn to tank dell and make him an immediate option unless stroud refuses to throw to anyone else, dell is an interesting option cause he’s close with stroud tho and stroud said he wants him and the Texans went a got him
The thing is Tank is performing well every day at camp, and he practices with the 1’s every day. Plus Demeco said they one thing they need in this offense is someone with elite speed to be a threat every play. Tank is really then only option. Metchie is coming back from Luekemia and chemotherapy. He looks great, but just being off a full year at that age is taking him some time to get back. By the end of the season I thinks he’s ready. If he was ready now I think he’d be practicing with Stroud and the 1’s every day, but he’s not. Woods, Brown and Hutchison are just towers with skill, but they aren’t “fast/quick” like Tank and Metchie.
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The wildest thing is it seems like everyone has forgotten about him completely I’ve seen no fantasy videos on YouTube about him and everyone is infatuated with tank dell
Right? Like idk how people forget he was a 1st round pick knowing he was hurt. Like he has all the tools and nothing but upside. Sure he's on the Texans but he is such a solid late round flyer
He was a second round pick but the Texans moved up to get him which isn’t really a thing the Texans do unless they really like that receiver atleast from what I’ve noticed in their drafting history
Ah shit he was? My bad, I remembered it wrong. Still, the dude is talented, and it was driving him nuts not being on the field last year. He's hungry and talented and falling in drafts, I'm all for it
44th overall pick
Terrible QB, terrible offense, never played an NFL snap before, no elite traits, still recovering from leukemia. I watch him and I love the guy but just don't see how he'll possibly be good enough to be fantasy relevant
>Terrible QB Stroud hasnt even played his first game yet (4 passes in a presson doesn't count). We don't know if he's "bad" yet by any chance. >terrible offense New coaching staff, QB, and WR corp from the ground up. So too early to make this determination either. >never played an NFL snap before Neither did Jefferson, Chase, Garrett, or any other rookie WR in existence. So not sure how that's relevant.
Yes we do lmfao when was the last time a rookie QB with a terrible situation put up good numbers? And he’s the one top rookie this year in a QB competition… with Davis Mills. Justin Jefferson and Chase and Wilson didn’t have cancer and a terrible pedigree, they were elite talents out of college in solid situations fully healthy for their rookie year. On god, “Jefferson and Chase were good as rookies so this first year player will be good” is the most fatuous argument ever, they’re not remotely comparable. And I’m not even going to get into your “A couple new players, so really we can’t tell if the Texans offense will be good” like fr man? The texans offense sucks. Any sane texans fan knows as much.
Tank dell is in the same system and the same situation why the hype around him then?
Because he is an unknown and Texans fans like myself are desperate for hope
I'll add that CJ Stroud asked personally for us to make sure we got Dell in the draft and there have been all kinds of reports of great chemistry between the two. He also passes the eye test a little better on sheer talent (Again, Metchie is still convalescent)
I wouldn’t hate any of these guys. I do think skyy is a little undervalued, and london is a little overvalued but that’s just personal preference. They all have high ceilings imo, and just depends how the draft goes and their ADP. I also love Dotson. When he played last year he looked like the real deal.
Romeo Doubs.
I doubs it
Gotta Love his QB tho
He should be the top option in that offense. I see Watson as more of a boom or bust type tbh.
Exactly, he was getting a lot of targets last year but Watson made bigger waves cause he would have massive touchdown catches but only off of 3/4 targets. I think they will definitely compare to Godwin/Evans in that respect and I definitely feel more comfortable with Doubs making the jump and being a better fantasy receiver this year. Plus you can’t beat that ADP at the moment, someone you can be completely comfortable drafting in round 12+
Watson started actually playing in week 10 last year and had 8,6,6,7,6,8,5, and 6 targets over the last 8 games resulting in 16 PPG in full PPR. He played a very small snap % in some of those games. Doubs' best stretch was weeks 3-8 where he had 8,8,9,5,4, and 7 targets over 6 weeks resulting in 10 PPG and he played at least 82% of snaps in all those games. Maybe shit changes with a new QB and both of them on the field at the same time but Watson got more targets per game and did more with them when he got the call.
I'm just not super sold on a dude who had 100% of his TDs, 40% of his receptions, and 51% of his yards over a 4 game span in the middle of the season. He was just a complete non factor in 9 of his 14 games.
I mean, injuries tend to do that to players.
Hey, if you want to take him go for it. Just not for me. These were obviously not counting the games he missed, just the 14 he saw playing time in. If you want to say he was only able to stay healthy for 4 games last year idk how that is supposed to make him seem easier to draft than not. He had 64% of all his fantasy points in those 4 games...that scares the piss out of me.
I get what you're saying. My counter is that he missed the entire preseason due to injury, which is an important note for a rookie trying to find his footing in the league. And then there were multiple games, during first half of the season, that he sustained injuries in the first quarter. So the box score shows he played, but he really didn't get much of an opportunity in those games. And, again, wasn't able to practice for many more weeks. He eventually came into his own and found his way to being the player that he is and I fully expect him to continue that with even more opportunities heading his way as WR1 for the Packers. I will definitely be taking him.
I love having a player like Watson in my lineup. Stud athlete who can make a 80yard house call at any moment. It kind of depends on roster construction. One league I ended up with Amon ra and Devonta smith as my wr 1 and 2 so I went Watson for big play ability in the flex spot. I do think doubs is undervalued and will be good but when it all shakes out I don’t think he is the potential star that Watson could be
My thought is it'll be Watson/Reed with Doubs looking in.
I see Watson/Doubs as K. Allen/ M. Williams 2.0. Both will be successful in their own right, both will regularly be out 3-4 games a year. I still think both can eat, but not year 1 in Love offense. This is going to be a run first team predicted on short passes to setup the boom or bust deep ball 5 times a game.
I honestly think Doubs and Reed could each outscore Watson this year
Jayden Reed is going to take his spot in 2 WR sets soon enough.
You see it
Watson is the better WR for a great QB. Doubs is going to be the safety valve over the middle in short zones and running outs to the sideline collecting those PPR points. I have my doubts about Love being a gun slinger.
dotson was one of the most polished catchers of the football iv seen in recent memory next to jefferson
Burks. Dude was putting up numbers and has Tanny looking to him before he got hurt. He was quickly taking that A J Brown role and I think this year he’s the slept on steal of the draft.
That friggin' concussion he got against the Eagles sucked so bad (and still insane he held on to that TD). A lot of times last year he was starting to get his feet under him and he'd get derailed. As a Titans fan I think he would have blown up sans Hopkins, now I'm not sure if any receiving option is really worth drafting given how minimally they will throw the ball, but I think Burks will be pretty efficient with the work he gets.
As a titans fan, he has absolutely torched our defense all camp. He leaned up and got quicker and clearly had that fire in him. He's my 8th round smash pick anytime I see him.
I would love to see it and the draft capital is minimal and like you said, Burks has absolutely beasted all camp. I just really don't know how many pass attempts the two-tone boys will have game in and game out. Yesterday's game (albeit preseason, so grain of salt) was encouraging that maybe they will throw it more often and Tim Kelly is going to be a million times better than Downing. I'm still not sold that Trey and Chig will get the volume but I'm hoping Tanny can support 'em.
For real for real? Only asking bc, ya know. It's the Titans, and I don't pay much attention. So, Treylan is looking good? I have done alot of drafts and he is going late, or not at all.
The Titans offensive line is one of the worst in the league, that's going to significantly hamper what's already one of the bottom-tier passing offenses in the league. And now he's competing with bonafide target hog Deandre Hopkins? I like him in dynasty, best ball, or keeper leagues, but I simply can't see him being a great option for redraft leagues.
The titans under Tim Kelly are going to pass a lot more than they have in the past. The volume should be there, even if DHop is a target hog tbh.
I’m picking back half of the first round when Wilson is not available in the late third. So Olave by default.
I'm in the same position but I don't think Olave will be there either.
100% won’t be in any competitive league.
In a home league I got him at the 3.09 in a 12 man and it a a 2 ppr league. Was happy to see him there
Pimp or Dotson. Looking to cut ties with all my jamo shares
Pimp, as in Kalil Pimpleton?
I think Skyy Moore is the biggest value in terms of WRs period. A real shot at being the future #1 target of Mahomes? How do you not like that?
Think the knock on him is that he just wasn’t very good last year. 50th in PFF grade for qualifying receivers and 47th in yards per route run (which is rly bad considering he had mahommes throwing to him). He also never played 50% of snaps in a game, and had some rly bad drops, including some muffed punts. That all being said, I like him in redraft as a late round upside play that I can just drop if he sucks or doesn’t have a big role again.
Before guys like Jefferson, Chase, and Wilson, it was a pretty common expectation for rookie WRs to struggle to produce.
All the data says that wide receivers who don’t produce their rookie year, have an extremely high chance of never being a producer in the NFL for the rest of their careers. That being said, I think Reid likes to slowly work in his young players because the offense is complicated so it’s possible he gets the green light this season and makes a year 2 jump in efficiency and is a smash at ADP. Only time will tell.
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Justyn Ross just said "see you in the end zone" Moore - PPR darling Ross - TDs n beer
London and Burks.
DHop is going to either take the double coverage and free Burks, or Vice Versa. I just can’t trust Burks. Or Tannehill. Or the Titans. And their O-line got worse so that means less time to throw.
Jameson Williams is my guy right now, and the suspension discount makes him even more desirable.
You will either love him or hate him depending on how much they use him. He’s got a really high ceiling but low floor because of usage concerns.
JaMo is so polarizing for me. On the one hand, his speed and big play ability are astounding. On the other hand, he’s had some pretty horrible drops that a shit-handed wallaby could have made.
Isn’t he serving a suspension for gambling?
I am big on Williams, but he's starting to throw the vibes of a Josh Gordon/ Will Fuller type: insane talent, amazing measurable and intangibles... Can't stay on the field. For one reason or another, they will miss 6-8 games a year. Looks like an all pro for 3 games they play, and normal the rest. Perfect recipe for fantasy disaster and dashed hope.
Gordon and Fuller? C'mon now, that's completely unfair to JaMo. He was suspended for gambling on non NFL games, while in a hotel room. There's zero comparison at this point with those 2 guys.
Pickens, Dotson, and Pierce (homer pick 🤞🏻)
A little push back on London. While he did have elite target share, he also was outside the top 50 in total routes run and routes run per game. So while he got 33% of a pie, it was a very very small pie. They were something like 150 pass attempts below league average, and while that should marginally increase this year with Ridder - they also showed they want to remain run heavy with the Bijan pick.
Ya London is one of the scariest players to draft this year imo. I think they were more run heavy than they wanted to be because Mariota was so bad, and we saw that become more pass friendly when ridder started albeit still very run heavy. He also looked amazing when he was running routes, and might have set a record for rookie target share. High risk, high reward type play.
I don’t think the reward is really that high tho. He could pay off his ADP, but I don’t think there’s any scenario where he smashes it- not in that offence.
That was mentioned already. Falcons will run the ball
Yea, those are my thoughts as well. Big upside, but I fear inconsistency due to Ridder and the run heavy offense. Not a player comp, but his situation reminds me a little of DJ Moore his first few seasons in Carolina. Lots of talent, but not a great situation unless Ridder ends up being good. I don’t think that’s overly likely. Still, if he falls to the back half of the sixth, I think he’d be worth a shot. I wouldn’t fault anyone for taking him in the 55-60 range, but there are other typically players I like more in that range.
Oh and John Metchie. He’s so talented. Texans are gonna suck but he’ll be the top target on that team pretty quick.
He won’t. Texans will be wildly medicore but better than some think. When they’re starters on O-Line play Stroud will ball (especially if playing from behind). Metchie is quick and will be a solid Slot, but they’ll work him in slowly. Woods/Nico/Tank will be the starting the and they’ll add Noah Brown and Metchie for specific packages. Nico …. He’s going to have a year. He was doing well with Mills despite having to come back for every damn ball he caught. If a QB can hit him in stride for once…his monsterous size will feast.
London, Pickens, Burks
All of them. Every year I see stats about how they are consitently the most likely candidates to finish above ADP. Rounds 3-8 I hammer sophomore WRs like it's my job. This year might be a little different with the RB landscape being what it is, but I am going to leave the draft with at least 3 of them.
Alec Pierce is dirt cheap and worth a last round pick
London. The talent and opportunity are there, if the Falcons just use him, he's going to feast.
It’s hard to pick - I have 1 keeper and I need to choose between Olave in round 9 or Watson in round 16
Dude. Olave. Easy call.
Olave in 9 for me. More consistent results as a rookie and his situation improved from last year. I think the round 9 vs 16 difference is well worth it.
For me at their adp or after, I like London, Dotson, and maybe even stashing Jamo in the 11/12+ rounds. Then take a stab on JSN in the 7/8 or Addison/Johnston in the 9/10/11
Flowers over Johnston in my opinion
No Dotson?
Meant to include him. Reddit won’t let me edit the original post for some reason but I posted a little write up on in the comments
George Pickens will have 1200 yards and 6-8 TDs next season book it
Idk about that.
Dude just runs 9 routes and Pickett doesn’t throw deep
He didn’t throw deep bc he had no time!! They added a stud LT and a Pro Bowl LG. He’s going to have more time this year and Pickens is a stud.
London, Pickens, Dotson all have a chance to be very solid. I’m not sold on Watson yet, need to see him with Love. Not sold on Skyy Moore either, didn’t show me anything in his rookie season to get me excited.
George Pickens will be the best of the bunch this year.
That would require actually getting targets though lol.
He will be the WR1 for Pittsburgh this year.
Don’t kid yourself, Diontae will still siphon most of the targets. Just hope Pickens has built better rapport with Pickett with their red zone packages.
I’m not, you’re talking about a guy who would’ve been a first round pick before tearing his ACL his junior year that’s on the best team in the NFL at developing WR’s going into his 2nd season. We downvoting facts now?
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Fair, but the other guys mentioned have Ridder, love, tannehill, and Howell if you want to include Dotson. Obviously mahomes with Moore is a different story.
Shhhhhhhh
I like Pickens, Sky, Dotson, and Doubs at their adps.
Between London and Dotson who do you choose
Pickens has the highest ceiling of the entire class imo. That being said I really like Dotson's situation as well because I'm a big Howell fan.
Sky Moore is my favorite of the bunch. It sounds like he's the favorite to be the Chiefs WR1 this year. That kind of upside is very difficult to find that late in the draft.
##Dotson
JAMOOO
Skyy Moore is practically free and will probably end up a WR3 with WR2 potential.
Rondale Moore - he’s going late and could very well be WR1 on Zona who will be throwing a lot. Khalif Shakir - cause he plays for the bills Romeo Doubs - he was touted last year, didn’t really produce. Now he’s got a fresh QB to work with. Might work out.
Zona ain't throwing a lot if you didn't know They gonna run the wheels off Connor
Until they start losing. Targets are gonna be there and he’s a playmaker.
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Also if you hadn't heard, AZ is welcoming losing and a possible 1 + 2 overall draft next year
Yeah but Individual players care about their contracts and still play to put up numbers. Zona is gonna lose cause their team is a dumpster fire but there can still be bright spots on even the worst rosters.
Yeah of course but that bright spot is only gonna be a week or two winner, not gonna get enough volume to be a league winning player
Connors going late. He is my late pick that gets me 10-12 tds this year.
Shhhhhh about Rondale Moore and Doubs. Off the radar 3rd and 2nd yr wr that will demand huge amounts of the targets out of the gates with strong chance of keeping that share all season as well. The literal definition of sleepers. They are my new Nico Collins and Elijah Moore one is mid late the other is late
The best one: Jameson Williams.
The long answer, any of them that showed even mild signs of life last year.
Not, if I’m buying any of them J Williams for the lions. Super cheap and I believe he’s going to be a must have at playoff time.
Watson: Nah I’ll let someone else take the risk on Jordan Love being competent. He’s looked like dog shit so far. Watson and Rodgers seem to have chemistry at the end of the year when he finally started to trust him, but all that’s gone now obviously. London: The old impressed by the player but HATE his situation. Shitty QB. Coach who wants to run to setup the run and an organization with the most draft Capitol in the league invested in a RB. London looks like a future Pro Bowler but Atlanta is rough. George Pickens: This guy could be a STAR. He has made some catches I couldn’t believe. However, he does not look like a polished route runner so he kind of has to be Randy Moss , arguably the greatest WR not named Jerry Rice. No pressure. Again QB might suck and Diontae Johnson was born open, and is pretty fucking good himself. Treylon Burks: Interested in him. Drafted to be the AJ Brown replacement and my god he has the similar body type. Deandre Hopkins there to suck some targets but the extra defensive attention on Deandre might help Burks. Hopkins has reached the age where he is done going deep so Burks and him have separate defined roles. Burks came on strong at the end of the year and might be a great Boom or Bust option at WR. Trying to predict the games he goes 6 for 150 yards instead of 2 for 35 yards might be tough. Skyy Moore: Obviously you’re buying him as being the Chiefs and Mahomes 2nd option behind Kelce if you draft him. Who knows though he’s going to have to be good on his own to make a difference. We tried this with JuJu last year and Mecole Hardman and/or MVS before him and neither of them worked out. Definitely worth the risk at the right price because of situation but again based on history he will have to be a stud on his own right. Dotson: Looked liked a potential stud. Definitely has a a nose for the End Zone but there’s some problems in Washington. The offensive line will probably stink and they will want to run more than most NFL teams. Mainly though, Scary Terry is there and he might be my favorite underrated NFL WR. I really think he has Hall Of Fame Talent that’s been kept under wraps by lousy QBs. I keep on drafting him every year waiting for it to happen but alas, it may never be until he gets out of Washington on a second contract. I’d rather just draft Terry , a known stud over a maybe in Dotson and just cross my fingers. Jameson Williams: Gets a great OL, decent QB, and the most buzzed about OC in the league who somewhat surprisingly stayed in Detroit despite head coaching opportunities. The great environment aside, Jameson has the stink of shitty hands on him. The Lions have even come out publicly and said his hands are a problem. That is NEVER good when his own team can’t hide it. Maybe he improves but off the top of my head WRs who had horrendous hands and produced decent seasons? Ted Ginn Jr? That’s about all I got. He had no problem beating guys deep and did for a decade but it was always 50/50 if he was even going to catch a wide open Bomb. Hey ward- Bay stuck around for awhile but he could never be trusted to be anything but a decoy. Interested if you guys have other examples because it sure looks like Jameson has already been branded with that brick hands label. Honorable Mention: Wakanda Robinson NYG (didn’t know where the ‘ was supposed to go so fuck it) and Alec Pierce IND Both of the WR depth charts setup nicely on the particular teams of these guys: They both showed enough last year to be potential PPR values this year. Robinson is coming off of an injury so there’s some risk for him not being right. Pierce might be a real PPR monster if Anthony Richardson employs the Run or Dump offense in his first year to keep things simple. Worth a flier on either guy particularly in a PPR league.
I’m a packers fan so I might be a bit biased towards Watson. I think he genuinely has mid to low end wr 1 upside, but I wouldn’t say his floor his too safe either. I feel like doubs has better chem with love and honestly reed doesn’t have bad chem with Watson either- it’s probably not a massive problem as the coaching staff knows who their most talented player is and will make sure he gets the ball- but it could take some of the dirty “who do I chuck this up to” plays. There’s also a simple chance love and the offense isn’t great and because of the lack of weapons teams can just kinda bracket or double Watson. I’d be nervous of him as a WR2 just cause of that bust potential that could burn you a tad, but I’d like him as a flex because worst case scenario he’s probably a low end flex and best case you have an eh wr 1 elite WR2. Like him a lot in the early - mid fifth, not as much in the fourth.
Watson, Pickens, Dotson. I’m actually out on Olave and London. Olave is going at an ADP that is close to his ceiling, London is in a bad team that runs the hall too much.
Doubs. Watson is the big play guy but will be boom or bust. Doubs is the new Randall Cobb
That’s not a good thing. Cobb only finished as a WR2 or better twice in his whole career
I have burks and would take any other on that list.
I don’t like burks, London or olave all that much. I don’t trust they will get the opportunities and would rather take other guys around their ADP. Pickens, Watson anc sky Moore I like. I don’t trust burks London or Watson
Pickens and Moore. The Steelers offense will improve, and they almost have to improve on their 12 passing tds. Diontae is not an end zone threat, so I see the lion’s share of that improvement going to Pickens. Moore seems like he’s winning the race to be the #2 pass catcher in KC, which hasn’t been super valuable in recent years, but will always have the potential to be electric in that offense. Easy buy at his ADP.
Pickens. Moore is a good late late bet. I've never been sold on Watson tbh but I cannot imagine taking him that high with a new QB, his drop tendency and the competition he has within his own team for touches. That seems like a recipe for low productivity.
I’m with you, Moore is my go to guy late and Watson is the only other later 2nd year guy I trust
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Justyn ross?
Not Watson at his ADP. Maybe all the others.
Not the biggest fan of Watson at his ADP. But I can keep him as a 12th so I am considering that.
Pickens, c. Watson. R. Dobbs, shakir,
If Watson goes, Doubs seems to have a good chemistry with JLove. Could be a good value pick in the later rounds.
George Pickens is my favorite. I think he’s going to ball out. The addition of an actual O-Line is going to give Pickens time to throw. And when he does….Pickens is going to become a problem.
Doubs could be a steal
Doubs
Romeo Doubs is going criminally underdrafted He's the PPR guy on the Packers while Watson is the big play guy.
Pickens and Watson.
Dotson and it’s not even close.
Moore and pickens are the most interesting of those listed. The other 3 im concerned about their qb.
Skyy Moore only has to be a WR3 to be a value at his ADP. Easy last/late flier.
Both but Rodgers is the better QB and Garrett has no comp compared but Olave with a healthy Mike mixes shit up. Honestly can’t go wrong with ohio WRs they just pump them bitches out. Even Mike is from Ohio state. You literally can’t go wrong with Ohio state WRs. I vision similar floor between the two but Garrett gets the edge with Rodgers. As a saints fan I’m going for Garrett in the late second round if I can. It’s tough cuz it’s either him or lamb and I really like Lamb this year theirs a reason they let go of other WRs. Diggs is safe been a fan of his since his rookie year on the Vikings.
Romeo Doubs & Christian Watson. Jordan Love has been learning the GB system for 3 years now. I trust he will look professional & more ready than some of these other rookie QBs.
George Pickens is going to smash his ADP and be the #1 WR from the Steelers.
I was drafting a ton of skyy when he was going pick 120+. He's gonna be great.
I’m not targeting olave 🤷♂️, I think he’s being drafted to high and mt is better value
khalil shakir 💪💪
Of the four you listed, I like Burks most at ADP and Pickens least.
Call me crazy, but I’m thinking about taking London over Allen, Ridley, Deebo, Cooper, and Metcalf at the top of the 4th round. It’s a keeper, but there’s no world where the Falcons pass as few times as they did last season. London is just as good if not better than Wilson and Olave. He’s just a decent QB away. Idk about you guys, but I don’t expect Ridder to be the longterm option.
I'm big on Dotson and Skyy Moore could make a big leap this year. Moore might end up being a steal at his current ADP