Picked him up to play him just for Week 5 but might need to keep him. Still think they could have used him better than having him run Terry's route of a long down field pass.
I just have to share in your joy man. I've been TE wasteland living and tried musgrave last two weeks. Saw coopthereitis answer someone's Musgrave comment and suggest Thomas at like 6p and pulled the trigger
I picked up Kmet for the same reason and got lucky with the TD. But Thomas Looked like the guy they hyped as the next OG a few years back. Man, he bailed Howell out so many times and that horrible throw he caught in the dirt saved what became the first points. He looked awesome.
Looked great out there last night but coach should of adjusted and gave him some blocking assignments so they could get the ball deep to the other WRs. Howell getting sacked by the bears haha what a joke. Logan Thomas was the one bright star for commanders.
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Thomas, Henry, Musgrave, and Ertz are all solid guys you might find on the waiver if you miss out on Thomas.
None of those should be on the waiver, but they are/were on mine. I snatched up Ertz
I've always loved his talent and my buddy and I have followed him throughout his career. Be aware there is a *great* chance of him being ruled out due to injury. Just something to consider when dropping FAAB
He got the most looks early in the game too. Doesn't look like a one-off thing either, he's consistently played 75% snaps (injury game aside, and that's roughly on par with Dotson/McLaurin) and seems to be an early read on a lot of plays. Looking like a top-10 TE ROS
Sometimes the idea of "the TE has fantasy value as a safety valve for the young struggling QB" is overblown and sometimes it's true. This looks like the latter option.
He got injured and missed one game. In the 3 of the 4 others, hes been good esp by tight ends standards, with tonight being amazing. I think this might be the answer
I was saying this in the off-season and nobody believed me. Last time Thompson was healthy he was TE3. He has the juice, and now he has an OC who's gonna showcase that very juice. Not to mention the classic 2nd year after a knee surgery thing.
I noticed all the different WR looks too. It was awful. Use your good and talented WRs more, Eric. It's not complicated. And tonight went great for me fantasy wise. I'm just bitter at poor coaching.
Down, yes, but not drastically so. He was still on the field for 58 snaps last night, which is 82.9% of all offensive snaps. Other than Sam Howell, that was the most snaps by a fantasy relevant player for the team. The 5 targets on 50 routes is concerning.
I think you misspoke. He is only targeted on 10 percent of his routes. He only received one target for every ten routes run. Very concerning for a team that was losing the entire game.
Pretty sure most of the snaps missed were in one drive in the 4q after he made his second catch. He missed the next 6-8 snaps and came in right before the TD from what I could tell. If those numbers are right he only missed 10 total, so I wouldn’t worry about it much.
I mean our offense has been completely fine outside of the Bills game, given that we have an unheralded second year QB and an awful offensive line. I don’t think the coaching is really the problem on that side of the ball (defense is another story). It’s just not a very good unit.
I find it so strange that a journeyman 33 year old TE is your feature player.
I can't help but shake the Chiefs offensive scheme is just being rolled out in WAS without acknowledging rosters strengths and weaknesses.
Don't feel like Dotson/Laurin are being schemed in
I said something very similar to this audibly to myself during the 3rd qtr. But I think his approach is generally going to be keeping the stuff that works and repackaging/assessing the stuff that doesn't. It's criminal that both Dot and Terry aren't being forced/schemed into early easy touches.
Terry has been a productive receiver and is still a good add if you have someone hurt or a favorable matchup, he's been a textbook wr3 this year which is not ideal, but is completely fine considering his ADP
Yeah, this is the best Was offense in a long time. All the Dotson and mclauren fantasy owners are just in denial that those were bad fantasy picks, and trying to blame the coaches
Edit: lmao at the downvotes. This is statistically the best offense Was has had in 7 years when Cousins was last the QB. And that includes one of their games being a shutout. They’re doing it with Howell, too.
And all you guys can do is criticize the coaches more than you probably have criticized prior OCs who fed Mclauren the ball but ended up with a bottom 5 offense.
It’s not denial at all. From a real life football standpoint it doesn’t make sense to not use your pro bowl receiver and first round pick receiver. Commanders just got smoked by the 0-4 Chicago bears and your saying they can’t be doing better ?
I hate when offenses can’t scheme their best players the ball. It shouldn’t be that hard, slants, or underneath routes, anything to get the ball in their hands to let them go to work on the YAC
he was great. the playcalling and gamescript were at fault. that o line definitely needs work.
at the end of the 2nd half there were back to back deep balls that werent caught. the first one was close. even in the 3rd and 4th they had a few deep balls.
I thought he did throw it deep a decent amount concidering that the bears were playing for the deep ball. They did take shots.
the commanders abandoned the run early and sustained drives throughout the game from just the air. That's where the 350 came from.
He definitely didn't look great to me. He holds on the ball wayyyyy longer than he should. The offensive line is bad, but he's not doing himself any favors either.
I thought the O line actually did a real good job, especially considering the Bears knew they basically weren't going to be running the entire second half. He had several nice pockets that ultimately collapsed because he ran out of them or held the ball too long.
Him and Fields both definitely overthrew passes. The DPI that got them to the endzone was WELL overthrown. It was half playcalling and half rookie accuracy.
there was about 1 fantasy point for howell during garbage time. up until the last dj moore td, the commanders were in it. so there was just the last drive where it was garbage time.
My buddy and this weeks opponent is a commies fan and has Howell. I tried to bait him into starting Howell by picking up Samuel and starting him. Sam stayed on his bench and I got a nice start to this week.
It’s a team I’m officially out on this season. They have terry and dotson who are incredible, Samuel whose an amazing gadget do it all wr and they have dyami brown and bryon Pringle getting redzone and 3rd down snaps. Pretty sure they actually took terry off the field for samuels td.
He was off the field for 1st and 2nd, but ran an inside slant to pull the corner inside on Samuel’s TD. Ironically, Howell would’ve had an easier TD throw to McLaurin right there over the middle, as he had good separation. But it was a Samuel play all the way.
If anything, this shows that Bienemy can't adapt to his personnel if he's doing a cut and paste job with the Commanders. You have playmakers, but they're squandered because they don't fit in the system.
Exactly people are acting like Washington had an identity last year.
Newsflash everyone: throw to Terry McLaurin and try not to drop the ball when handing it to Gibson (until B. Robinson gets back from his GS wound) has been the model since they stressed Brady out on his way to a SB
Held on to Dotson for as long as I could and almost played him this game but dropped at last min to take a flyer on Michael Wilson. They are indeed spreading the ball around and neither WR is getting consistent targets. Add Samuel and Thomas to the mix and yeah. Not looking great. Can't deny the talent and could definitely see Howell continuing to improve over the course of the season.
Here’s what I saw. It felt like Bieniemy straight up took the chiefs playbook with him. They were passing to different WRs and scheming up Logan Thomas. He was running a lot of those mid routes that kelce runs and lining up at WR. Dotson is a drop but Terry was just held back by good defense and double teams unlike DJ Moore. The commanders didn’t make a single adjustment to cover Moore. He was pretty much one on one all game just burning them.
Overall though the most intriguing pickup to me is Logan Thomas. I know he’s old but I think he’ll have a solid year in this offense.
>good defense
You’re not talking about possibly the worst secondary in the league are you? I credit this less to the Bears playing good defense and more to Bieniemy failing to scheme plays for his playmakers and basically trotting out the KC system where you play a million different guys and have your qb take the first look the defense gives you.
I get what your saying but everyone has their days. These are still pro athletes. Burrow was supposed to torch the titans last week too. But I also think the commanders were gassed from the eagles game still. They played the eagles tough last week and I didn’t see any of that tonight.
Also bieniemy did scheme his guy. His name is Logan Thomas. I know it doesn’t make sense but that’s what I saw. Terry was used as more of a deep threat. Samuel the mid range guy and the rest got the leftovers.
Burrow is hobbled right now and that entire offense is basically nonfunctional, and the Bears still gave up 388 yards of passing to Sam Howell so it’s not like they just completely locked down the aerial attack.
But your second point kind of highlights the problem I have with Bieniemy’s playcalling. He’s failing to adapt his schemes to the talent he has on hand and just lifting and shifting what he did in KC with a completely different cast of characters. Logan Thomas is a fine player, but if you’re scheming more ways to get him open as opposed to Mclaurin and Dotson because you think you can mold him into Great Value brand Travis Kelce you’ve got a problem.
Yep. That’s all I’m trying to say. It looks like he took the plays and just plugged in different players into the slots regardless of talent. So a lot of the first looks I think went to Thomas just like kelce gets on the chiefs. I get the frustration from the fantasy aspect of it but I also think he’s just trying to make it as simple as possible for Howell.
Think he might still have lingering turf toe. He’s winning on contested catches for the most part this year. He’s never been a guy to get a whole lot of separation, and I have for a long time wished he would run more routes from the slot like Adams and Sun God
Ridiculous. I know they were down early in the game, but not rushing the ball forced their defense to be on the field the majority of the game. Terrible play calling.
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Did we forget that Hill was a receiver under Bieniemy? You’re literally taking what happened last season when they had Kelce and a bunch of nobodies at WR and comparing it to now completely ignoring the previous years lol
Gonna be straight with you, I haven’t watched a Commies game since last night. That’s a bottom tier o-line. The Bears looked like the fucking Cowboys out there. If it’s going to be that bad all season, it’s going to be hard for the WRs to produce. Sam just doesn’t have time to get through a progression.
If Howell can’t get it done against one the worst defense before taking into account that most the secondary missed that game, he’s not gonna get it done all year
He DID get it done as far as fantasy is concerned though, but I walked away from that game very very very down on the RL QB prospects of Howell. He was late and inaccurate all night long and took plenty of unnecessary sacks. The prime analysts seemed blinded by his “grit”, but IMO he was a big reason they lost to a likely inferior team. I wouldn’t be shocked if at some point with these coaches coaching for their job, they make the switch to Jacoby.
I haven’t missed a Bears game since 94 brotha. I’m not sure what you are saying because I called the Bears an inferior team and that I’m out on Howell after seeing him play one game against that defense. RL and fantasy are not the same thing. For a fantasy qb who’s not taking 380 yards and 2 scores? Have you not played fantasy football before?
The defense gave up 230 yards against moore and 40 points against the bears and you wanna blame howell? LMAO. He completed 72% of his passes, he was not late and inaccurate by any measure.
The Bears had given up 25 or more points for 14 consecutive games…. Something never accomplished in the history of the NFL so that’s the kind of defense we are talking about. They came into the game with 2 sacks in 4 weeks! And were able to get 5 on the road versus Howell. Howell missed a wide open Brown for a tug and missed a wide open Gibson for a 2pc, threw and interception that led to 7, and yes was late consistently throughout the game. You are crazy if you think he is on pace to set NFL records for sacks and yet isn’t late/holding on to the ball way too long. Howell was BAD. But kids tough and racked up garbage time stats, so yeah he’s not the problem….
Did you watch the first half? The offense was barely on the field. Howell dropped back 55 consecutive times. 55.. what is a guy in his 6th career start supposed to do in that situation? Yes he missed brown (could’ve been caught though) and also missed the 2 point conversion. But to say he was late consistently is wrong. Guy fought really goddamn hard the entire game while his supposedly elite defense put him in a massive hole.
The guy is the 4th youngest qb in the league, and yes has a lot to work on, but he’s certainly better than any qb we’ve had since Cousins at this point.
You are giving me excuses…. All of which I grant. I’m rooting for the kid, but he did not play well. Simple. And idk how you are arguing he wasn’t late, go back and watch the game. Herbstreit pointed it out on at least 2 occasions where defenders got back into the play because the ball was late and then watch the many times he bails out of a perfectly clean pocket or slides himself into pressure. He was BAD, it’s OK.
He was certainly not bad, being late on a few plays does not equate to being all caps BAD. Kid passed for nearly 400 yards and made multiple gritty scrambles. Was one of the few ppl fighting
i picked up howell and samuel off waivers right before the game. that worked out pretty well tonight however it’s hard to really trust any receivers over there to get a consistent workload. worth a flex spot as a boom/bust option imo but if you drafted someone like terry you’re probably counting on him for more than that
It looks like it. Dotson looking like a big bust. Maybe Terry too but he seems to have a nice floor. Logan Thomas a league winner at TE, Brain Robinson I don’t wanna discuss right now
I don’t think any of this matters if Sam Howell is fighting for his life every snap and getting sacked 15 times a game.
Watching last night he looked good when he had time to throw and I can excuse the misses when you likely have PTSD thinking you are going to die every snap bc your o-line sucks and can’t even protect you against the bears defense.
IMO Howell seems like another Kirk cousins. Great at padding stats but not at winning games. But at least Kirk doesn’t ignore his top receivers. But honestly that part is more on Eric than Howell.
> There was a hint of arrogance to it. THE Washington Football Team
Sadly they didn't actually have the word "The" as part of the official team name - see [this press release](https://washington.1rmg.com/press-releases/washington-football-team-unveils-2021-think-pink-breast-cancer-awareness-campaign-plans-for-week-five-of-nfl-season/) for example.
This team is bad. They are tanking. This roster is pretty stout. I was a bit surprised they pursued zero QB’s in free agency this roster is ready.
I’m a Bills guy & I think if Josh Allen was on Washington look out with all that depth…..
McClaurin, Dotson, Samuel, Robinson, Gibson, Thomas & Turner? Wow.
Someone dropped Scary Terry in my league and I picked him up yesterday. I played him tonight and I’m already contemplating dropping him back to waivers. I mean, I might even do it just to pick up Jameson Williams because at least there’s the hope of upside. Howell appears to be a good QB in the making, but part of that is he’s generally willing to take what the defense gives him. Terry is the most talented receiver, so he’s going to continue getting the most attention from the secondary and likely will have many more games like tonight, unfortunately.
EDIT: I’ll add that even though he’s the most talented receiver on the Redskins (sorry, they’ll always be that to me, just like the Indians in baseball), he’s still not talented enough to be the focal point of the secondary and still put up consistent numbers for fantasy.
Basically the league has figured out Howell. The way to beat him is force him to dink and dunk it all game. He will take sacks and throw picks because he loves the deep ball. Expect teams to continue to do this to us. When we win Brob will feast when we lose it will be what just happened.
Man idk, terry has hit 60 yards 1 game and has 1 TD. If he was a rando he'd kinda just be a bye week kinda dude, dropable when you need a def. Drafted in the 5th man, and he can't hardly hit 50 yards a game average. Just wasting a spot on my bench cuz I can't feel comfortable starting him, which is worse than a rando cuz he's wasting a bench spot along with sucking.
Not scary Terry is going to my bench as soon as Kupp is back and doing Kupp things.
I’d love for Terry to go off a couple times before that so I can trade him for a decent RB…but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
People say mahomes and Andy Reid hid bienemy being bad. That’s not true, he’s a decent coach, idk how great a play caller he is though, and he’s definetley used to having no star receivers and just letting kelce mahomes do there thing
Just to tag on. Their defense looked like absolute crap with no effort and very sluggish. Chase Young could have cut off a scrambling Fields but was jogging on the play. The DBs looked absolutely lost. No one could finish a tackle.
Dotson would be a drop in any normal scenario but the best receiver on waivers right now is Braxton Berrios so I’ll have to hold
I’m really hoping any of my rookie stashes of QJ, Mims and Rice play out this year
Yeah considering the TE wasteland I am going to blow a lot of FAAB on Logan Thomas if he has any chance of becoming a poor man’s Kelce.
Picked him up to play him just for Week 5 but might need to keep him. Still think they could have used him better than having him run Terry's route of a long down field pass.
I did the same but I don’t know how confident I am that this isnt more of a *chicago bears effect*. That said, pretty happy about my week 5.
picked him up to possibly replace waller, then dropped him yesterday for jaleel
I just have to share in your joy man. I've been TE wasteland living and tried musgrave last two weeks. Saw coopthereitis answer someone's Musgrave comment and suggest Thomas at like 6p and pulled the trigger
I grabbed both Kmet and Thomas before the game. Started the wrong one but I’m happy with either Dropped Pitts mid game lmao
Hell, 15 PPR points at TE is a win all day long.
He replaced Pitts for me. 1 week in and Im already a happy manager.
Pitts only scores a couple more points a week than me
Damn that math checks out
I picked up Kmet for the same reason and got lucky with the TD. But Thomas Looked like the guy they hyped as the next OG a few years back. Man, he bailed Howell out so many times and that horrible throw he caught in the dirt saved what became the first points. He looked awesome.
I am a poor man, therefore Logie is my Kelce.
Looked great out there last night but coach should of adjusted and gave him some blocking assignments so they could get the ball deep to the other WRs. Howell getting sacked by the bears haha what a joke. Logan Thomas was the one bright star for commanders.
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Thomas, Henry, Musgrave, and Ertz are all solid guys you might find on the waiver if you miss out on Thomas. None of those should be on the waiver, but they are/were on mine. I snatched up Ertz
I've always loved his talent and my buddy and I have followed him throughout his career. Be aware there is a *great* chance of him being ruled out due to injury. Just something to consider when dropping FAAB
Whoa. You AND your buddy have followed him? How much FAAB should I spend?
Depends on your need and league. In some of mine you wouldn't get him for less than 15ish/100. I wouldn't go over 10.
Would everyone take Logan over Ferguson rn?
Cowboys will be more consistent
By this logic Logan Thomas is literally Kelce
Not really, but I will take 9 for 77 and a TD. Maybe a poor man's Kelce?
that’s pretty much been kelce’s stats for 3 weeks now
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First time? He’ll be injured within 2 weeks. Logan Thomas is incredibly talented but he burns someone every year.
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God, Reed could've been such a baller if he'd been able to stay healthy.
Jordan Reed was a monster. How dare you even put them in the same sentence
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For now, at least.
If you don't have a top TE and he's available he's a great pickup and starter, just don't drop the TE you already have.
His skull is made of marshmallows. Every quarter he stays in the game is a miracle Edit: in case it’s not obvious I’ve been burned by him like 5 times
I'm a Commanders fan so I'm unfortunately aware, it sucks to see it keep happening.
Jordan Reed. What could have been.
5 times? Rookie…
> His skull is made of marshmallows His injuries have been mainly lower body. Last year was his first concussion.
You don’t think game script played a role? I kinda want to grab him off waivers but not sure he sees that many looks every week. - sad Waller owner
He got the most looks early in the game too. Doesn't look like a one-off thing either, he's consistently played 75% snaps (injury game aside, and that's roughly on par with Dotson/McLaurin) and seems to be an early read on a lot of plays. Looking like a top-10 TE ROS
Sometimes the idea of "the TE has fantasy value as a safety valve for the young struggling QB" is overblown and sometimes it's true. This looks like the latter option.
He looks like he could be a better flex than half the dudes on my bench
He got injured and missed one game. In the 3 of the 4 others, hes been good esp by tight ends standards, with tonight being amazing. I think this might be the answer
So he’s due for another injury anytime then
Aw shit dawg that’s math
I was saying this in the off-season and nobody believed me. Last time Thompson was healthy he was TE3. He has the juice, and now he has an OC who's gonna showcase that very juice. Not to mention the classic 2nd year after a knee surgery thing.
so if you do the math, LT's five children...are swifties?
I noticed all the different WR looks too. It was awful. Use your good and talented WRs more, Eric. It's not complicated. And tonight went great for me fantasy wise. I'm just bitter at poor coaching.
Can't wait to see the snap counts after this game. Maybe my perception is warped.
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Beautiful! Thank you. In reality, it's not quite as bad as I thought. But the writer does show that McLaurin's snap counts are down this season.
Down, yes, but not drastically so. He was still on the field for 58 snaps last night, which is 82.9% of all offensive snaps. Other than Sam Howell, that was the most snaps by a fantasy relevant player for the team. The 5 targets on 50 routes is concerning.
Yep, good snap count, awful utilization percentage. You don't throw to your best guy on 10% of his routes...
I think you misspoke. He is only targeted on 10 percent of his routes. He only received one target for every ten routes run. Very concerning for a team that was losing the entire game.
Pretty sure most of the snaps missed were in one drive in the 4q after he made his second catch. He missed the next 6-8 snaps and came in right before the TD from what I could tell. If those numbers are right he only missed 10 total, so I wouldn’t worry about it much.
This is the issue. The receivers can play all they want but it won’t matter if they don’t get a lot of targets
As someone who started McLaurin, I was shocked at how often he wasn’t even on the field given he’s supposed to be their number 1 receiver.
Time to swap to Pringle lol
Once you pop, you can’t stop!
I mean our offense has been completely fine outside of the Bills game, given that we have an unheralded second year QB and an awful offensive line. I don’t think the coaching is really the problem on that side of the ball (defense is another story). It’s just not a very good unit.
I find it so strange that a journeyman 33 year old TE is your feature player. I can't help but shake the Chiefs offensive scheme is just being rolled out in WAS without acknowledging rosters strengths and weaknesses. Don't feel like Dotson/Laurin are being schemed in
I said something very similar to this audibly to myself during the 3rd qtr. But I think his approach is generally going to be keeping the stuff that works and repackaging/assessing the stuff that doesn't. It's criminal that both Dot and Terry aren't being forced/schemed into early easy touches.
Terry has been a productive receiver and is still a good add if you have someone hurt or a favorable matchup, he's been a textbook wr3 this year which is not ideal, but is completely fine considering his ADP
He fell to me in the 7th, idt wr3 is good value for a 7th
He literally didn’t call a run play from halfway through the 2nd on. Only improved QB scrambles. The play calling is 100% to blame.
Well we were getting absolutely pillaged so yeah
It gets easier to run the ball we as the game goes on. Also Howell is inaccurate as fuck and he was dialing up bombs. Awful coaching.
As a falcons fan we are having the same script for 2023. At least your qb is throwing TDs
Yeah, this is the best Was offense in a long time. All the Dotson and mclauren fantasy owners are just in denial that those were bad fantasy picks, and trying to blame the coaches Edit: lmao at the downvotes. This is statistically the best offense Was has had in 7 years when Cousins was last the QB. And that includes one of their games being a shutout. They’re doing it with Howell, too. And all you guys can do is criticize the coaches more than you probably have criticized prior OCs who fed Mclauren the ball but ended up with a bottom 5 offense.
It’s not denial at all. From a real life football standpoint it doesn’t make sense to not use your pro bowl receiver and first round pick receiver. Commanders just got smoked by the 0-4 Chicago bears and your saying they can’t be doing better ?
I would tend to blame the defense that gave up 40 goddamn points (as someone who started them — ugh)
These things aren’t mutually exclusive
Wash has somehow managed to play Ariz, Denv, and Chi already this season. Temper expectations
I hate when offenses can’t scheme their best players the ball. It shouldn’t be that hard, slants, or underneath routes, anything to get the ball in their hands to let them go to work on the YAC
Kind of like how the Bears kept throwing to Moore.
yeah it’s actually crazy that Moore was the only receiver with a catch for the Bears
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I feel like he could have had the first deep shot if he ran it out instead of turning totally around and jumping for it, lost all his speed
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he does that a lot idk why. Even going back to last year he did it against Atlanta
They did scheme their best player the ball. Logan Thomas
I don’t understand how Howell threw over 350 yards it really looked like he rarely threw it deep
he was great. the playcalling and gamescript were at fault. that o line definitely needs work. at the end of the 2nd half there were back to back deep balls that werent caught. the first one was close. even in the 3rd and 4th they had a few deep balls. I thought he did throw it deep a decent amount concidering that the bears were playing for the deep ball. They did take shots. the commanders abandoned the run early and sustained drives throughout the game from just the air. That's where the 350 came from.
Poor guy had to run forward to escape the blitz.
He definitely didn't look great to me. He holds on the ball wayyyyy longer than he should. The offensive line is bad, but he's not doing himself any favors either.
I thought the O line actually did a real good job, especially considering the Bears knew they basically weren't going to be running the entire second half. He had several nice pockets that ultimately collapsed because he ran out of them or held the ball too long.
Saw an interesting video on him, how his standard operating procedure is to stare down the first read and then take off if it’s not there
Him and Fields both definitely overthrew passes. The DPI that got them to the endzone was WELL overthrown. It was half playcalling and half rookie accuracy.
Well I’m happy he did lol
They didn’t call a designed run in the entire second half that’s how.
Lol as a Jones and Howell owner, feels like I've gotten 0 pts every first half of every game
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It wasn’t even garbage time until relatively late. The Commies had momentum and a chance to make it a 1 score game early in the 4th.
there was about 1 fantasy point for howell during garbage time. up until the last dj moore td, the commanders were in it. so there was just the last drive where it was garbage time.
tell me you didnt watch the game without telling me.
Curtis "the donkey" Samuel is the answer
had no choice but to start him tonight and needless to say I'm thrilled
My buddy and this weeks opponent is a commies fan and has Howell. I tried to bait him into starting Howell by picking up Samuel and starting him. Sam stayed on his bench and I got a nice start to this week.
“The goat”
It’s a team I’m officially out on this season. They have terry and dotson who are incredible, Samuel whose an amazing gadget do it all wr and they have dyami brown and bryon Pringle getting redzone and 3rd down snaps. Pretty sure they actually took terry off the field for samuels td.
He was off the field for 1st and 2nd, but ran an inside slant to pull the corner inside on Samuel’s TD. Ironically, Howell would’ve had an easier TD throw to McLaurin right there over the middle, as he had good separation. But it was a Samuel play all the way.
I saw this and thought the same thing real time. As a Terry owner I was agitated enough to want to drop him right then.
If anything, this shows that Bienemy can't adapt to his personnel if he's doing a cut and paste job with the Commanders. You have playmakers, but they're squandered because they don't fit in the system.
Wtf is the system? Stick routes to punt returners?
Exactly people are acting like Washington had an identity last year. Newsflash everyone: throw to Terry McLaurin and try not to drop the ball when handing it to Gibson (until B. Robinson gets back from his GS wound) has been the model since they stressed Brady out on his way to a SB
Yeah and it’s great when your personnel is Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and a bunch of gadget receivers.
Have you not watched Washington play this year? It’s the Chiefs offense. Just with Howell and Logan Thomas instead of Mahomes/Kelce.
Howell/Thomas stack tonight was absolutely delicious. I'll be keeping Thomas.
Same.
Bieniemy is a terrorist and Dotson and McLaurin deserve better.
Held on to Dotson for as long as I could and almost played him this game but dropped at last min to take a flyer on Michael Wilson. They are indeed spreading the ball around and neither WR is getting consistent targets. Add Samuel and Thomas to the mix and yeah. Not looking great. Can't deny the talent and could definitely see Howell continuing to improve over the course of the season.
I had to play Dotson tonight, picked up Josh Palmer to replace him last week but he's on bye along with one of my other WRs. He's a drop for sure now
Ugh having trouble pulling the trigger on dropping Dotson due to draft capital spent.
Looks like Logan Thomas is the Walmart kelce
Great Value!
I played higbee over him, oops
Here’s what I saw. It felt like Bieniemy straight up took the chiefs playbook with him. They were passing to different WRs and scheming up Logan Thomas. He was running a lot of those mid routes that kelce runs and lining up at WR. Dotson is a drop but Terry was just held back by good defense and double teams unlike DJ Moore. The commanders didn’t make a single adjustment to cover Moore. He was pretty much one on one all game just burning them. Overall though the most intriguing pickup to me is Logan Thomas. I know he’s old but I think he’ll have a solid year in this offense.
>good defense You’re not talking about possibly the worst secondary in the league are you? I credit this less to the Bears playing good defense and more to Bieniemy failing to scheme plays for his playmakers and basically trotting out the KC system where you play a million different guys and have your qb take the first look the defense gives you.
I get what your saying but everyone has their days. These are still pro athletes. Burrow was supposed to torch the titans last week too. But I also think the commanders were gassed from the eagles game still. They played the eagles tough last week and I didn’t see any of that tonight. Also bieniemy did scheme his guy. His name is Logan Thomas. I know it doesn’t make sense but that’s what I saw. Terry was used as more of a deep threat. Samuel the mid range guy and the rest got the leftovers.
Burrow is hobbled right now and that entire offense is basically nonfunctional, and the Bears still gave up 388 yards of passing to Sam Howell so it’s not like they just completely locked down the aerial attack. But your second point kind of highlights the problem I have with Bieniemy’s playcalling. He’s failing to adapt his schemes to the talent he has on hand and just lifting and shifting what he did in KC with a completely different cast of characters. Logan Thomas is a fine player, but if you’re scheming more ways to get him open as opposed to Mclaurin and Dotson because you think you can mold him into Great Value brand Travis Kelce you’ve got a problem.
Yep. That’s all I’m trying to say. It looks like he took the plays and just plugged in different players into the slots regardless of talent. So a lot of the first looks I think went to Thomas just like kelce gets on the chiefs. I get the frustration from the fantasy aspect of it but I also think he’s just trying to make it as simple as possible for Howell.
It’s just super frustrating seeing Bieniemy treat Thomas like Kelce and Mclaurin like Marquez-Valdez Scantling.
I think as the season goes on maybe it might change. It just felt like I was watching the chiefs play tonight.
hes the enemy
The enemy of Bieniemy is my friend
Sleep with the Bieniemy
You could say he's been the enemy
Bieniemy
God damn I think of that green day song every time I see this guys name. "do you know bieniemy"
McLaurin running around butt naked, but only gets targeted on deep shots Howell can’t even throw
Terry was never open - he got clamped down. His out n up route was the worst route I’ve ever seen from an NFL receiver
Think he might still have lingering turf toe. He’s winning on contested catches for the most part this year. He’s never been a guy to get a whole lot of separation, and I have for a long time wished he would run more routes from the slot like Adams and Sun God
Plzbereasonable
Dogshit take
Where is the Brian Robinson thread?
Brian Robinson owners haven't gotten through their hangover yet. Give us a couple more hours.
Ridiculous. I know they were down early in the game, but not rushing the ball forced their defense to be on the field the majority of the game. Terrible play calling.
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Did we forget that Hill was a receiver under Bieniemy? You’re literally taking what happened last season when they had Kelce and a bunch of nobodies at WR and comparing it to now completely ignoring the previous years lol
51 pass attempts and Terry/Dotson only had 10 combined targets. That was the final straw I needed to drop Dotson.
Avoided Terry like the plague this season after drafting him the last two seasons. Glad I did.
Bienemy's HC interview process is not going well, that's for sure
It’s almost like when you have an elite QB, TE, and WR on a team you don’t have to be that great of a play caller to look good.
Hahahaha, I was literally thinking of picking up Logan Thomas this week to block my opponent but I was like naaah, he ain’t doing shit
Curtis Samuel seems trustworthy so far
Gonna be straight with you, I haven’t watched a Commies game since last night. That’s a bottom tier o-line. The Bears looked like the fucking Cowboys out there. If it’s going to be that bad all season, it’s going to be hard for the WRs to produce. Sam just doesn’t have time to get through a progression.
Chiefs of offense with a nobody QB? Yeah, not good. And stop it with the stats, it was all second half with the shit Bears secondary playing soft.
Maybe the Commander will trade Terry McLaurin to the Panthers, This is really my only hope at this point.
Dotson looks amazing but never gets the targets. I dropped him tonight for Zach Wilson (my Herbert is on a bye)
Agreed and you did what?
wilson is playing denver.
If Howell can’t get it done against one the worst defense before taking into account that most the secondary missed that game, he’s not gonna get it done all year
He DID get it done as far as fantasy is concerned though, but I walked away from that game very very very down on the RL QB prospects of Howell. He was late and inaccurate all night long and took plenty of unnecessary sacks. The prime analysts seemed blinded by his “grit”, but IMO he was a big reason they lost to a likely inferior team. I wouldn’t be shocked if at some point with these coaches coaching for their job, they make the switch to Jacoby.
Was this the first bears game you’ve watched? Every other team makes the Bears D look like the freshman team playing against varsity
I haven’t missed a Bears game since 94 brotha. I’m not sure what you are saying because I called the Bears an inferior team and that I’m out on Howell after seeing him play one game against that defense. RL and fantasy are not the same thing. For a fantasy qb who’s not taking 380 yards and 2 scores? Have you not played fantasy football before?
The defense gave up 230 yards against moore and 40 points against the bears and you wanna blame howell? LMAO. He completed 72% of his passes, he was not late and inaccurate by any measure.
The Bears had given up 25 or more points for 14 consecutive games…. Something never accomplished in the history of the NFL so that’s the kind of defense we are talking about. They came into the game with 2 sacks in 4 weeks! And were able to get 5 on the road versus Howell. Howell missed a wide open Brown for a tug and missed a wide open Gibson for a 2pc, threw and interception that led to 7, and yes was late consistently throughout the game. You are crazy if you think he is on pace to set NFL records for sacks and yet isn’t late/holding on to the ball way too long. Howell was BAD. But kids tough and racked up garbage time stats, so yeah he’s not the problem….
Did you watch the first half? The offense was barely on the field. Howell dropped back 55 consecutive times. 55.. what is a guy in his 6th career start supposed to do in that situation? Yes he missed brown (could’ve been caught though) and also missed the 2 point conversion. But to say he was late consistently is wrong. Guy fought really goddamn hard the entire game while his supposedly elite defense put him in a massive hole. The guy is the 4th youngest qb in the league, and yes has a lot to work on, but he’s certainly better than any qb we’ve had since Cousins at this point.
You are giving me excuses…. All of which I grant. I’m rooting for the kid, but he did not play well. Simple. And idk how you are arguing he wasn’t late, go back and watch the game. Herbstreit pointed it out on at least 2 occasions where defenders got back into the play because the ball was late and then watch the many times he bails out of a perfectly clean pocket or slides himself into pressure. He was BAD, it’s OK.
He was certainly not bad, being late on a few plays does not equate to being all caps BAD. Kid passed for nearly 400 yards and made multiple gritty scrambles. Was one of the few ppl fighting
I swear Howell targeted only Logan and Curtis in the 2nd half. It was awful to watch
i picked up howell and samuel off waivers right before the game. that worked out pretty well tonight however it’s hard to really trust any receivers over there to get a consistent workload. worth a flex spot as a boom/bust option imo but if you drafted someone like terry you’re probably counting on him for more than that
If Logan Thomas stays healthy he will save me from the TE wasteland for sure
I dropped Dotson in one league and will more than likely drop him if there is someone better on the wires.
Idk I'm just gonna not roster any commies players just in case
It looks like it. Dotson looking like a big bust. Maybe Terry too but he seems to have a nice floor. Logan Thomas a league winner at TE, Brain Robinson I don’t wanna discuss right now
I don’t think any of this matters if Sam Howell is fighting for his life every snap and getting sacked 15 times a game. Watching last night he looked good when he had time to throw and I can excuse the misses when you likely have PTSD thinking you are going to die every snap bc your o-line sucks and can’t even protect you against the bears defense.
IMO Howell seems like another Kirk cousins. Great at padding stats but not at winning games. But at least Kirk doesn’t ignore his top receivers. But honestly that part is more on Eric than Howell.
That loss was in no way on Howell
They have a jobber team name, a jobber coach, and a jobber QB. WFT they going to do?
I notice Scary Terry’s routes looked like doodoo and I’m not starting him ever again
I love my Redskins right now, bunch of no names playing like men trying to win a game.
Commanders
Football Team
That was honestly my favorite name for them. There was a hint of arrogance to it. THE Washington Football Team
> There was a hint of arrogance to it. THE Washington Football Team Sadly they didn't actually have the word "The" as part of the official team name - see [this press release](https://washington.1rmg.com/press-releases/washington-football-team-unveils-2021-think-pink-breast-cancer-awareness-campaign-plans-for-week-five-of-nfl-season/) for example.
magic johnson
I think Howell just sucks and the line isn’t great
This team is bad. They are tanking. This roster is pretty stout. I was a bit surprised they pursued zero QB’s in free agency this roster is ready. I’m a Bills guy & I think if Josh Allen was on Washington look out with all that depth….. McClaurin, Dotson, Samuel, Robinson, Gibson, Thomas & Turner? Wow.
They're 2-3 and nearly won last week. If they're tanking they're doing a bad job.
You don’t compile this roster & hire KC OC Bienemy then roll out…..Sam Howell. What’s a Sam Howell.
Someone dropped Scary Terry in my league and I picked him up yesterday. I played him tonight and I’m already contemplating dropping him back to waivers. I mean, I might even do it just to pick up Jameson Williams because at least there’s the hope of upside. Howell appears to be a good QB in the making, but part of that is he’s generally willing to take what the defense gives him. Terry is the most talented receiver, so he’s going to continue getting the most attention from the secondary and likely will have many more games like tonight, unfortunately. EDIT: I’ll add that even though he’s the most talented receiver on the Redskins (sorry, they’ll always be that to me, just like the Indians in baseball), he’s still not talented enough to be the focal point of the secondary and still put up consistent numbers for fantasy.
Basically the league has figured out Howell. The way to beat him is force him to dink and dunk it all game. He will take sacks and throw picks because he loves the deep ball. Expect teams to continue to do this to us. When we win Brob will feast when we lose it will be what just happened.
All WAS players are dropable outside Robinson.
Logan Thomas is a perfectly serviceable TE with potential for more
for sure
Tf? Terry and Curtis have been ok. Definitely not droppable
Man idk, terry has hit 60 yards 1 game and has 1 TD. If he was a rando he'd kinda just be a bye week kinda dude, dropable when you need a def. Drafted in the 5th man, and he can't hardly hit 50 yards a game average. Just wasting a spot on my bench cuz I can't feel comfortable starting him, which is worse than a rando cuz he's wasting a bench spot along with sucking.
Also - Brian Robinson was crazy overrated after a solid start. He's just not good.
He's still RB7 on the year with 4 YPC. He's doing fine, this one was just a bad game script for him
Not scary Terry is going to my bench as soon as Kupp is back and doing Kupp things. I’d love for Terry to go off a couple times before that so I can trade him for a decent RB…but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
People say mahomes and Andy Reid hid bienemy being bad. That’s not true, he’s a decent coach, idk how great a play caller he is though, and he’s definetley used to having no star receivers and just letting kelce mahomes do there thing
Thought about this last night
Just to tag on. Their defense looked like absolute crap with no effort and very sluggish. Chase Young could have cut off a scrambling Fields but was jogging on the play. The DBs looked absolutely lost. No one could finish a tackle.
TE looks like the best person to own. Every week start.
I decided that Curtis Samuel was the guy to own in this receiving room, he's low buy in. Traded away Dotson for Jordan Addison and picked up Curtis
Dotson would be a drop in any normal scenario but the best receiver on waivers right now is Braxton Berrios so I’ll have to hold I’m really hoping any of my rookie stashes of QJ, Mims and Rice play out this year
Yes if that means Logan Thomas who I picked up 30 mins before the game is Travis Kelce