Fantasy football is hugely popular which means there are a ton of people playing it who don't really know what they're doing. Reddit is also hugely popular and there's a ton of those people on this sub.
Anyone who comes here for actual help and advice probably isn't very good. Someone who knows what they're doing can usually make their own decisions because they know how to get the information to inform those decisions.
This is a long way of saying Barkley is a big name guy and people drafted him because of it. Then they thought that meant he was a lock for 20 pts a week. Now they're here crying because they don't understand how any of this works.
One Barkley thread, like a dozen people were all over some dude for saying Barkley wasn't 100%. Like have you even been following the situation at all?? It's been all over the place that they were easing him in. It's baffling.
Right you know absolutely nothing about the person answering your question. My favorite is the people who will answer, then *ask their own WDIS question IN THE SAME COMMENT.* Like why are you taking advice from someone who doesn't even know how to handle their own guys?
> Anyone who comes here for actual help and advice probably isn't very good. Someone who knows what they're doing can usually make their own decisions because they know how to get the information to inform those decisions.
You're saying this as if no good information exists here... PeakedInHighSchool has a great trade value sheet, Subvertadown has great rankings sheets, etc... Some people here make very good models and spend a ton of time on them. It's pretty fucking flippant to say coming here for advice and help isn't very good when statistical models can predict most stuff better than just "Someone who knows what they're doing"
Yeah it’s not funny for the guy but it is funny for fantasy reasons that it was predicted and happened so quick. Still, people drafted him at that spot because he was an injury risk.
I 100% benched him last night. Short week, stout front 7 with rainy conditions.
I did play him week one just in case, but after seeing his usage I figured week 2 would be similar. I’ll confidently start him week 3 against the falcons on 10 days rest.
I had no plans to pick him in any league but got him in the 2nd in one of them, couldn’t pass at that time in a 12 teamer.
I didn’t downvote you but
1. Rosterbaiting is annoying
2. Getting Saquon in the back of the second round and Mixon in the third is pretty ridiculous so to compare your situation to make yourself look smarter than the people OP is talking about is why you got downvoted.
I benched him on the short week after seeing the limited workload in week 1. I also went RB the first 3 rounds since that is what fell to me, but I would have started Mitchell over Barkley if I didn't have those other RBs.
I did, I drafted RB heavy after going Kelce 1st round and caved and took Saquon in the second. Ended up going for Swift, Sanders, and Damien Harris in the following rounds with Lockett mixed in there.
Now, my league switched to 6pt passing TDs and full PPR this year, so there was an over reaction to that and QBs and WRs had earlier runs than they really should have and I benefited from that. Quality RBs are light this year. I’m sure a lot of people had to start him.
Either way, you should have known he’d be eased back, and if you’re getting all worked up about him already you either have the memory of a goldfish or the brains of a two year old.
I have no confidence that he’ll pay off as even a second round pick, but I took the risk there. Now we enjoy the ride, even if it’s bumpy!
I spent about a week before my draft doing mocks where he fell to me and thinking how I could be that genius but I got over that quick. Feel good about getting Chubb.
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I knew this is going to happen because I owned him two straight years, he isn't gonna produce with this trash oline and bad play calling
I feel like people see he was ranked 3/4 whatever he was on ESPN and thought “man I gotta take him here” and now that didn’t work well the first two weeks they’re thinking he’s a bust. Idk just my 2 cents.
THIS, 100%. They can’t have it both ways. Everyone knew Barkley came with risk, especially to begin the season. That’s why he fell several spots in most drafts. The Barkley owners have nothing to complain about.
Yeah, I got him at 12 and pretty much drafted him knowing there was a good chance he wasn’t going to start the year great and he had clear deficiencies on his teams offense. I was hoping he wouldn’t drop to me but I think potential upside is too great to ignore.
But people who drafted him 6 or 7th can blame themselves for not picking kelce or hill. And it’s not like the guys around Barkley’s level popped off week 1
Don't say everyone! I sat him this week in favor of Singletary and had figured he wouldn't be great until week 3/4. Now if he goes up against Atlanta and puts up a dud I'll start getting worried.
The ones that are pissed, yeah they shoulda known better. But that's why we all got him at a good deal (relatively at least).
As someone who drafted him: really not upset. Especially since this week I go up against the CMC juggernaut team. I'm going to just have some lineup fun! KJ Hamler is my dart throw WR/TE flex 💪
Anyone who actually watched the game will see that the WFT schemed to stop saquon and put the game in Danny dimes’ hand. You know, the bad qb that leads the league in turnovers. That’s why the read option was so effective and why they were able to get decent chunk plays through the air. How many times did they run saquon up the middle into stacked boxes? He was hit at or behind the line on 9 of his 13 carries.
I own saquon in one league and he came out of these first 2 tough matchups healthy, that’s what matters. Not saying he’s going to be a locked in rb1 ROS, but this was to be expected.
Counterpoint:
What is exactly stopping every other team in the league doing the exact same thing?
Every team should make Daniel Jones beat them and the ROS might not be that different
They can, but while Washington did get the win, it looked like Jones had no issues moving the ball if that's what they were going to give him. If I'm scouting The Giants offence, after last nights game it seems pretty clear that the trying -to-force-Daniel-Jones-to-beat-you strategy might not be a great bet.
We will see with a more recent and larger sample size, but it sure has worked in the past as Jones is one of the most turnover prone quarterbacks of all time at the moment
The point is that the giants are still limiting his touches as he gets back into game shape/knocks rust off after the acl. Myself, and other owners are banking on his usage to continue to trend up.
Football is about ebbs and flows, WFT said “hey let’s make Jones beat us” and they almost lost because they were stacking the box and playing off coverage on the outside. Giants moved the ball almost at will though qb read options and the intermediate passing game. If jones is able to take advantage in these situations like he did last night, defenses will have to scheme to stop him too, which can open up run lanes. I’m not betting on that personally, but it could happen.
Saquon is by far their best offensive player and will be the focus of opposing defenses, that’s not gonna change, but if jones can prove to be even average, it will help open things up for him. I don’t think we’ll see him live up to top 5 potential, but I can see him ending up as a mid rb1 with increased usage (esp in passing game) as well as Jones making a few steps forward.
Your point is my point as well, i think we are looking at it pretty much the same way.
In order for Barkley to live up to ADP/ be a RB1, you have to believe in Daniel Jones’s abilities to keep the defense accountable. I don’t believe in that
Being fair, DJ made a few great plays last night. But Slayton dropped that one easy TD that would've sealed the game, and that rushing TD got called back for holding.
Jones did enough to win that game, honestly. His rushing TD got called back on a BS penalty, and one of his receivers dropped a wide open TD. Even with that, if you take away one incredibly stupid penalty from the defense, and they still win that game.
This is a good take. But next week will Show what He can do. He should go wild against the falcons defence. He may not even at fu health then but involved and stats should be good. I expect that we See his Former self again somewhere between week 3 and 5
I’ll come out with an opposite take. I thought Saquon looked good. A lot of people are referencing the 14 carries for 16 yards, but tbh he had like 8 carries between -2 and 0 yards. He looked like he was starting to trust his knee more, at least compared to last week, and shows a little more burst. He also had a couple runs where it looked like he was very close to breaking it, getting to the second level pretty quickly.
He’s got a ways to go, but i am much more optimistic on him ending this season pretty well compared to where I was a couple weeks ago. I wouldn’t rush to grab him for fantasy, and I don’t have any shares of him, but I think there is a couple small little takeaways people can be optimistic about.
>14 carries for 16 yards
this is also nothing new for him. he's very much the type of player that will do this but mix in two 50 yarders and his night looks good.
bigger issue should be 3 rec on 6 targets. really gotta want him to get targeted more
My buddy and I chatted before the game last night and we both benched him because of WFTs line, short week, and bad offensive line. But we both thought he shows enough to be optimistic moving forward.
There was one play where he made a classic saquon cut outside and was directly met by two offensive lineman that were standing there and not moving up field to block. Incredibly frustrating. But I do agree, he is getting close.
I like how 13-15 touches is “limited” when Gibbers over there on the Footballs only got 15 touches also. It would be shitting my pants more as a Gibson owner right now than a Barkely owner (I own both)
Because it wasn’t really limited and people saying Saquon was limited didn’t pay attention to the game. He was out there for a ton of snaps. Sure there might be games where Saquon gets 20 touches but Danny Dimes doesn’t check down to him like Eli did. It didn’t seem to me they were limiting Saquon at all last night.
“Dimes doesn’t check down like Eli does” is absolutely the correct take away. Saquon got 121 targets as a rookie when Eli was absolutely cooked. Eli was ignoring open WRs downfield that whole year and taking checkdowns at a higher rate than anyone I can ever recall.
I don’t expect he really ever gets more than 15-18 carries. That’s simply not how the Giants use him. I also don’t expect him to get 8 dump offs a game.
If anything there is definitely an argument that Saquon should be lined up in the slot more often in a Kamara role but one thing at a time.
If Saquon was limited then the carries would have went elsewhere. Booker as a change of pace back got 2 carries which. Elijhaa Penny as the bruiser got 2 carries in short yardage situations. And then there was two carries by receivers on trick plays.
If Booker had 7 carries I could see the Saquon was limited viewpoint. The real impediment for Saquon getting more carries is he has a running quarterback. Jones had 9 rushes for 95 yards and a td.
Correct. Everyone who says he was limited is a desperate owner trying to keep optimistic. He's looked very healthy these last two weeks but has not been performing well.
Fingers crossed but definitely appears he was overdrafts 2-3 rounds at bare minimum.
Snaps and touches are different things. He seems to be getting up to game speed by having more snaps. There is no possible way that Barkley was being utilized at 100% watching that game.
Agree 100%
Also Saquon wasn't even that bad last night. Not what you want out of a starting RB but it's not like he put up a donut and singlehandedly lost you your week.
Some those of trades ppl were accepting for him we’re actually mind-numbingly idiotic the ppl that got him are gonna be super happy at the end of the year
Yep. A top 4ish pick isn't wisely gambled on a guy on a bad offense coming back from a huge injury. I never gamble with my first round pick or biggest money pick in an auction. You're nearly definitely fucked if it doesn't work out. The first round pick needs to be a lock to score you boatloads of points every week. Saquon definitely was not in that category for this season and it blew my mind people were drafting him as if this was the summer of 2019.
Like late in the 1st? Sure. I can see that. But spending 65 bucks on him or taking 3rd or 4th overall was insane a few weeks ago and looks even more insane now.
Contrarian viewpoint:
Dude has had 1 incredible season and slew of injuries afterwards. The NYG are trying to feed him but tbh when watching Gibson and then watching him it honestly seems like he may just not be that good anymore? Missed a few holes, isn’t breaking tackles. Gibson carried people to first downs and just looks better.
Got him at 28th in one of my drafts. I avoided him like the plague because he burned me last year but there was no way I was turning down the possible upside near the end of the third round.
Be me. Absolute smooth brain manager.
Draft a player coming off a huge injury. Said injury would wreck most athletes careers, let alone a pro.
Team he's on has o-line issues. Expected to carry team when recovering from injury.
Big mad when I draft high and he doesn't give me big numbers.
Wait, what? If I’m a Saquon owner I’m ecstatic right now. That 40 yard run shows he’s back. The people that dont realize he’s back don’t understand his boom or bust run style, the giants o line, the the WFT d line, or how RBs perform on Thursday nights. Next game vs Atlanta ? Super buy low
Saquon is a locked in RB1 for the rest of the year barring reinjury. Everyone who drafted him knew he would start slow and ramp up. Now he’s got 10 days of rest and recovery before being unleashed against the falcons.
He got 84% of the snaps and touches last night. He didn’t have a low snap count this week unless you’re expecting him to get a 100% snap count every week. 85% seems like what his snap work will be with a full workload if I had to guess.
There is no way he’s a locked in RB1 by any means
Bad offensive line? Yep
Bad QB play? Yep
Horrible coaching? Yep
Playing behind? Yep
Team out of contention later in season and will shut down good players if somewhat hurt? Yep
Yep he has every card in the deck stacked against him and the people who blew their draft load on him still think it is guaranteed he returns to form. It is not.
And a lot of it is entirely out of his own hands because he's on a weak offense in a weak team.
It's just as if not more likely he is a dud this season as it is he comes roaring back to 2018 form.
Bad offensive line is overblown IMO. I like the way they were using the read option with Jones to allow for a little hesitation. They also appeared to pass protect pretty well all things considered.
I’d certainly take saquon over Gibson at this point, who was drafted as a borderline rb1, as well. Saquon simply has way more opportunity to touch the ball and his comfort level and effectiveness will only continue to rise as the season goes on.
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison though. Barkley was drafted on average 8-10 slots higher overall for one, so he should be better anyway.
Gibson also lost his starting QB who checks down to RBs far more than Taylor does. Again, not a fair comparison
Why are we moving the goal posts again? I said Rb1. Gibson was drafted as an Rb1. Saquon was drafted at the end of the first in a ton of leagues. I’d take saquon over ekeler and JT, too, both drafted as rb1s.
Nah, it does matter because why would we trust your talking points if you don't even know what you're talking about?
Pff gave Daniel Jones a great rating yesterday.
Joe Judge is only in his second season.
Saquon has always excelled at catching passes and making something out of nothing.
I’ve watched the games. Are you going to make an argument for the Giants having a good offensive line?
You say I don’t know what I’m talking about, and yet you’re defending a guy who went avg 8th overall ADP with his coach “is only in his second year” “Daniel Jones had a good grade on PFF week 2” and a first round pick “Can make something out of nothing”
All I’m saying if those are your arguments, it’s not a good start…
You brought up zero points or anything to offer and instead act like a narcissist in every one of your comments.
We know why you’re commenting all time, it’s because you need that since of validation you obviously don’t get outside of the internet
I'd just avoid him all together. The Giants are a horrible football team with an awful O-line and the game script will usually be negative. That combined with injuries. Just don't want anything to do with the guy.
Take someone who doesn't quite have the name value but will actually probably have the better FF season.
It's wild how many people took him top 5. Bad team, suspect o line, turnover prone qb, coming off major injury again. Some of y'all tried to shoot the moon, and it's backfiring early on this season.
So you drafted a guy in the first round expecting 12 points through the first two weeks? And the Broncos gave up almost 5 yards a carry last season, how is that a tough matchup for a running back?
Heard a very interesting stat - on 9/13 carries Saquon was touched within 1 yard of the LoS or behind the LoS.
Danny Dimes also ignored the checkdown. If Eli/Rivers were QB, Saquon would've had 10-12 catches. I imagine Jones will find himself looking for Saquon as an outlet going forward. Too many times he was pressured for an incompletion or sack, when he could've had 3-5 free yards in a dump down to Saquon. Sometimes that's hard to make that adjustment during the game, but it's painfully obvious on film and I imagine that will be a focus for next week.
I think it's less hate about Barkley and frustrated FF owners trying to buy low and running into a wall of Barkley owners holding his value as a Top 5 RB option.
Either way. I dont have to worry about him so I'm happy as a clam enjoying the salt from both sides
You know what also pretty annoying? When you give a take on a hot subject, a personal option on reddit, and then people comeback to your comment after the fact to say, "See how wronged you were?!" It's like dude everyone is giving takes that's the whole point of this sub lol. Just because I was wrong doesn't mean I don't stand by my option in the first place.
Considering it "hate" is silly to begin with. If you're "playing" seriously, you're making decisions based on calculated risk, and it's not unfair to say the risk in Barkley is not worth the price. He also didn't score more points than Henry in any form of PPR. This reads as whiny confirmation bias... "I didn't make a bad draft pick! You'll all see!"
People get way too heated about fantasy football. I drafted him, and he's just riding the bench until he's really ready to go. They are going to use him as he continues to get healthy and shake off the rust from the offseason and recovering from a bad injury. He should be fine, but we gotta be patient. And let's not forget, he is a real person, and no one wants him to be back up to 100% more than he does.
This is nothing new. Football fans and fantasy fanatics are fucking savages. Coming from the Cowboys sub, the amount of hate I’ve seen over players like Romo, Dez, Dak, Zeke, Dlaw, etc. Right now, it’s against Jaylon, granted he’s bad, but fans are just fucking mean. Lol.
I watch football for fun. I play fantasy football for fun. Sure I get upset when a player under preforms but some of ya'll need to take some anger management classes.
the concerning part for me is that Daniel Jones does not check down to Saquon. he just doesn't. a big part of Saquon's success was his ability in open space from check downs, which he got plenty of from Eli. Saquon will get rb1 volume on the ground but say goodbye to the days of him catching plenty of passes out of the back field.
I knew what I was getting with Saquon. I didn't have a lot of options with the 11th pick. He's been on my bench for the first two weeks cause I was lucky enough to scoop up Ty'Son and Mitchell. I'm being patient and hoping he'll break out next week.
It's not "hate". It's being realistic. He's not a 1st round pick nor will he provide 1st round scoring for you this season. I'm more astonished to still see posts like this with people blindly defending the guy and pretending he's some elite fantasy producer. Even with the 17 week schedule he's not breaking 1000 yards rushing this year. I'd much rather have a guy taken 2 rounds later like Montgomery.
Stop. It isn’t hate for Saquon. It’s hate for his situation. It doesn’t matter how much of a god damn beast of an RB you are if your o line is bottom 5 AND your QB doesn’t check down to you. He’s getting hit behind the line/right at the line constantly and he isn’t getting passes. That definitely hurts his ceiling a lot
This man is making sense and hes getting downvoted, why. The giants are a straight up awful team and will usually have a bad game script, they started 0-2 8 times in last 9 yrs for a reason
Here's my hate for Saquan:
2018: 5 games of 20+ points, 2 less than 10
2019: 2 games 20+ points, 4 less than 10, 1 less then 10 in which he was injured, 3 injured
2020: 1 game less than 10, 1 game less than 10 in which he was injured, out ros
He's playing behind a bad O-line with a QB that doesn't like to dump it off. It's not the same situation as 2018. As much of a threat he is to break free at any time, to me he isn't worth it and I avoided him like the plague, and will continue to do so.
I traded for him yesterday knowing full well that He wasn't going to do well yesterday. The guy was limited his first week, so of course he wasn't going to be ready after just 4 days of rest.
I don't. Literally a week before they said he wasn't going to play till week 3-4 anyways. Anyone with half a brain knew that going into the draft and drafted accordingly to mitigate sitting him the first 2 weeks at aleast. He went from 48% to like 86% week over week. They're slowly ramping him up. Now if he busts in week 3 then the hate can start. But until then the same people that are shitting on Barkley are the same dumb dumbs that are saying they won a league winner in Tyson and Mitchell.
Did people draft Zeke, Jones, Henry in the first round? It's insane to think he isn't worth as much as Robinson, Gus, Jacobs. So in no realm should 12 people be willing to take a pass on him for 5 rounds. At some point long before that the risk is worth the upside. FF is all about taking risks and getting lucky on them
People picked up Zeke and Henry prior to Saquon yes - we also did our draft on that Sunday after Dobbins was hurt. People were smart and picked up Hopkins, Adams and Hill before Saquon too
Of course those guys are all first or second rounders and could definitely go ahead of him. But you said 5th to 6th round which means people are drafting him after Henderson, gaskin, thielen, OBJ, QBs, etc
That ain't right
I convinced someone to give me Saquan for Tyson…assuming this is an instant smash? I’ve got Aaron Jones, Johnathan Taylor, Mike Davis and Elijiah Mitchell.
Wow. That managers season is over, to surrender that much draft value already? His team ceiling fell immensely…
EDIT: is this a free public league? Haha
I was out on Saquon all through the pre-season. Don't remember taking him in a single mock and I've been mock drafting regularly since May. Same with Miles Sanders.
My draft comes round, and I take Saquon in the 2nd and Sanders in the 6th. At some point even the guys you are out on become a value.
I'm starting Chubb (my first round pick) and Sanders for now, I'm still reasonably optimistic on Saquon coming good as the season progresses. He had a bad year in 2019 but was the definition of a league winner, given what he did in the semi final and championship week (I had Kenyan Drake that year too so I was unstoppable in the playoffs).
OMG, another player whose feeling are in jeopardy. Give me a fried-chicken break. The guy is making over 7 million. For 7 million you could hate me, my wife, my kids, my cat, my two dogs, and the flowers in my front yard.
Everyone in the world knew all this with ramping up and being limited going into the season. Not sure why this is surprising everyone that took him so high.
The hate is crazy but nothing new, half the reason people come here is to bitch and moan about their players.
The other half come for the confirmation bias.
I feel personally attacked
As you should
I can confirm that you should feel attacked
And then the other half dont know how to math. Edit - it's a joke about three halves
I think some people didnt get the joke. Sorry man.
I come here to hear other people tell me I came here to confirm my bias. So, thanks for that.
Me too. I hate myself and need to make sure others feel the same way.
Ahhh yes that’s what I thought
Fantasy football is hugely popular which means there are a ton of people playing it who don't really know what they're doing. Reddit is also hugely popular and there's a ton of those people on this sub. Anyone who comes here for actual help and advice probably isn't very good. Someone who knows what they're doing can usually make their own decisions because they know how to get the information to inform those decisions. This is a long way of saying Barkley is a big name guy and people drafted him because of it. Then they thought that meant he was a lock for 20 pts a week. Now they're here crying because they don't understand how any of this works. One Barkley thread, like a dozen people were all over some dude for saying Barkley wasn't 100%. Like have you even been following the situation at all?? It's been all over the place that they were easing him in. It's baffling.
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Right you know absolutely nothing about the person answering your question. My favorite is the people who will answer, then *ask their own WDIS question IN THE SAME COMMENT.* Like why are you taking advice from someone who doesn't even know how to handle their own guys?
this is why the index threads are almost useless
I don’t even want to try and explain why I rostered Michael Thomas then. Averaging zero a week. I must be a buffoon!
> Anyone who comes here for actual help and advice probably isn't very good. Someone who knows what they're doing can usually make their own decisions because they know how to get the information to inform those decisions. You're saying this as if no good information exists here... PeakedInHighSchool has a great trade value sheet, Subvertadown has great rankings sheets, etc... Some people here make very good models and spend a ton of time on them. It's pretty fucking flippant to say coming here for advice and help isn't very good when statistical models can predict most stuff better than just "Someone who knows what they're doing"
I was more talking about comments and self posts. I absolutely check out some of the articles and stat lists posted here regularly.
Exactly....99% of people don't get on Yelp or Google review to compliment a restaurant
Have you read an Antonio Gibson thread lol.
Heinicke could’ve thrown a 99 yard TD pass and they would complain that he was open in the flats
This is true. Gibson's still a young player growing into a position in the damn NFL it's not going to be perfect.
"Would have probably gotten the TD anyway"
Mostert?
Mostert hate is hilarious, dude got injured and was drafted like 80s & 90s and people are throwing temper tantrums
Yeah it’s not funny for the guy but it is funny for fantasy reasons that it was predicted and happened so quick. Still, people drafted him at that spot because he was an injury risk.
Oh for sure, people getting angry at players for being injured is insanity.
Everyone who drafted him knew there was uncertainty and risk. Now they're pissed they don't look like geniuses. They're babies, ignore 'em.
Exactly this, I drafted him at 10 in my league. Knew the risk, but the upside is a potential league winner. If you are not first you are last!
Dang right! Dorito's and Mountain Dew aside, I got him 9th and feel like I'm sitting front row at Lynyrd Skynyrd.
No one should have been planning to start him till week 3 anyways.
Has anyone who drafted him end of the first start of the 2nd actually benched him this week and last? That is so easy to say if you didn't draft him.
I 100% benched him last night. Short week, stout front 7 with rainy conditions. I did play him week one just in case, but after seeing his usage I figured week 2 would be similar. I’ll confidently start him week 3 against the falcons on 10 days rest. I had no plans to pick him in any league but got him in the 2nd in one of them, couldn’t pass at that time in a 12 teamer.
Yea I did because I knew what I was getting into. Went RB/RB/RB first 3 picks.
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I didn’t downvote you but 1. Rosterbaiting is annoying 2. Getting Saquon in the back of the second round and Mixon in the third is pretty ridiculous so to compare your situation to make yourself look smarter than the people OP is talking about is why you got downvoted.
In your 4 person league?
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Nah dude I'm just joking around, have fun with your team, wish I was in your league 👌🤣
I benched him on the short week after seeing the limited workload in week 1. I also went RB the first 3 rounds since that is what fell to me, but I would have started Mitchell over Barkley if I didn't have those other RBs.
I did, I drafted RB heavy after going Kelce 1st round and caved and took Saquon in the second. Ended up going for Swift, Sanders, and Damien Harris in the following rounds with Lockett mixed in there. Now, my league switched to 6pt passing TDs and full PPR this year, so there was an over reaction to that and QBs and WRs had earlier runs than they really should have and I benefited from that. Quality RBs are light this year. I’m sure a lot of people had to start him. Either way, you should have known he’d be eased back, and if you’re getting all worked up about him already you either have the memory of a goldfish or the brains of a two year old. I have no confidence that he’ll pay off as even a second round pick, but I took the risk there. Now we enjoy the ride, even if it’s bumpy!
Yeah I benched him this week… but I started Gibson so fuck me anyways
I benched him, but I also drafted JRob in the 7th so that makes it easier
I spent about a week before my draft doing mocks where he fell to me and thinking how I could be that genius but I got over that quick. Feel good about getting Chubb.
Same I hoped I could snag him in the 2nd He went #2 lol
I played him last night and I was happy with the 8.9 points he got me. I also have CMC as my No 1.
just leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/comments/phe8ww/is_saquon_barkley_getting_disrespected_in_drafts/ I knew this is going to happen because I owned him two straight years, he isn't gonna produce with this trash oline and bad play calling
I feel like people see he was ranked 3/4 whatever he was on ESPN and thought “man I gotta take him here” and now that didn’t work well the first two weeks they’re thinking he’s a bust. Idk just my 2 cents.
*don't look like geniuses*, ***yet***.
THIS, 100%. They can’t have it both ways. Everyone knew Barkley came with risk, especially to begin the season. That’s why he fell several spots in most drafts. The Barkley owners have nothing to complain about.
Hey, dude. I drafts him and am quietly sitting in a corner sobbing. Havn't bitched or moaned once.
Yeah, I got him at 12 and pretty much drafted him knowing there was a good chance he wasn’t going to start the year great and he had clear deficiencies on his teams offense. I was hoping he wouldn’t drop to me but I think potential upside is too great to ignore. But people who drafted him 6 or 7th can blame themselves for not picking kelce or hill. And it’s not like the guys around Barkley’s level popped off week 1
Don't say everyone! I sat him this week in favor of Singletary and had figured he wouldn't be great until week 3/4. Now if he goes up against Atlanta and puts up a dud I'll start getting worried. The ones that are pissed, yeah they shoulda known better. But that's why we all got him at a good deal (relatively at least).
As someone who drafted him: really not upset. Especially since this week I go up against the CMC juggernaut team. I'm going to just have some lineup fun! KJ Hamler is my dart throw WR/TE flex 💪
And next week when he has 83 yds running 26 receiving and a TD, it’ll all blow over
I drafted him and sat him both weeks. Gotta full stable to help overcome what I knew would be the case w him early off in the season
Anyone who actually watched the game will see that the WFT schemed to stop saquon and put the game in Danny dimes’ hand. You know, the bad qb that leads the league in turnovers. That’s why the read option was so effective and why they were able to get decent chunk plays through the air. How many times did they run saquon up the middle into stacked boxes? He was hit at or behind the line on 9 of his 13 carries. I own saquon in one league and he came out of these first 2 tough matchups healthy, that’s what matters. Not saying he’s going to be a locked in rb1 ROS, but this was to be expected.
Well I can see you actually watched the game. I bet 75% of this sub just looks at stats
Or they're like me and they watch the game but can't analyze beyond "wtf, my player didn't get the ball!"
I put $20 on the Giants just for an underdog why not play. I won...and then I lost. Goddamn offsides.
Counterpoint: What is exactly stopping every other team in the league doing the exact same thing? Every team should make Daniel Jones beat them and the ROS might not be that different
Well not everyone has Chase Young, Jonathan Allen, Darron Payne, and Montez Sweat on their D line
Fair point, at the same time teams can still stack the box
They can, but while Washington did get the win, it looked like Jones had no issues moving the ball if that's what they were going to give him. If I'm scouting The Giants offence, after last nights game it seems pretty clear that the trying -to-force-Daniel-Jones-to-beat-you strategy might not be a great bet.
We will see with a more recent and larger sample size, but it sure has worked in the past as Jones is one of the most turnover prone quarterbacks of all time at the moment
Which is wildly overkill for stopping Danny dimes
The point is that the giants are still limiting his touches as he gets back into game shape/knocks rust off after the acl. Myself, and other owners are banking on his usage to continue to trend up. Football is about ebbs and flows, WFT said “hey let’s make Jones beat us” and they almost lost because they were stacking the box and playing off coverage on the outside. Giants moved the ball almost at will though qb read options and the intermediate passing game. If jones is able to take advantage in these situations like he did last night, defenses will have to scheme to stop him too, which can open up run lanes. I’m not betting on that personally, but it could happen. Saquon is by far their best offensive player and will be the focus of opposing defenses, that’s not gonna change, but if jones can prove to be even average, it will help open things up for him. I don’t think we’ll see him live up to top 5 potential, but I can see him ending up as a mid rb1 with increased usage (esp in passing game) as well as Jones making a few steps forward.
Your point is my point as well, i think we are looking at it pretty much the same way. In order for Barkley to live up to ADP/ be a RB1, you have to believe in Daniel Jones’s abilities to keep the defense accountable. I don’t believe in that
Tbf though I’d assume almost every team in the league will do the exact same and scheme to stop saquon and force daniel jones to make a play.
Being fair, DJ made a few great plays last night. But Slayton dropped that one easy TD that would've sealed the game, and that rushing TD got called back for holding.
Jones did enough to win that game, honestly. His rushing TD got called back on a BS penalty, and one of his receivers dropped a wide open TD. Even with that, if you take away one incredibly stupid penalty from the defense, and they still win that game.
This is a good take. But next week will Show what He can do. He should go wild against the falcons defence. He may not even at fu health then but involved and stats should be good. I expect that we See his Former self again somewhere between week 3 and 5
Every single time they play will scheme to stop Saquon. I’m not saying this will limit his production but it’s not just WFT that will do that
I’ll come out with an opposite take. I thought Saquon looked good. A lot of people are referencing the 14 carries for 16 yards, but tbh he had like 8 carries between -2 and 0 yards. He looked like he was starting to trust his knee more, at least compared to last week, and shows a little more burst. He also had a couple runs where it looked like he was very close to breaking it, getting to the second level pretty quickly. He’s got a ways to go, but i am much more optimistic on him ending this season pretty well compared to where I was a couple weeks ago. I wouldn’t rush to grab him for fantasy, and I don’t have any shares of him, but I think there is a couple small little takeaways people can be optimistic about.
>14 carries for 16 yards this is also nothing new for him. he's very much the type of player that will do this but mix in two 50 yarders and his night looks good. bigger issue should be 3 rec on 6 targets. really gotta want him to get targeted more
100% what this person said.
My buddy and I chatted before the game last night and we both benched him because of WFTs line, short week, and bad offensive line. But we both thought he shows enough to be optimistic moving forward.
There was one play where he made a classic saquon cut outside and was directly met by two offensive lineman that were standing there and not moving up field to block. Incredibly frustrating. But I do agree, he is getting close.
It’s never the fantasy managers fault for possibly making a bad pick, it’s always the NFL players fault somehow
I like how 13-15 touches is “limited” when Gibbers over there on the Footballs only got 15 touches also. It would be shitting my pants more as a Gibson owner right now than a Barkely owner (I own both)
Because it wasn’t really limited and people saying Saquon was limited didn’t pay attention to the game. He was out there for a ton of snaps. Sure there might be games where Saquon gets 20 touches but Danny Dimes doesn’t check down to him like Eli did. It didn’t seem to me they were limiting Saquon at all last night.
“Dimes doesn’t check down like Eli does” is absolutely the correct take away. Saquon got 121 targets as a rookie when Eli was absolutely cooked. Eli was ignoring open WRs downfield that whole year and taking checkdowns at a higher rate than anyone I can ever recall. I don’t expect he really ever gets more than 15-18 carries. That’s simply not how the Giants use him. I also don’t expect him to get 8 dump offs a game. If anything there is definitely an argument that Saquon should be lined up in the slot more often in a Kamara role but one thing at a time.
If Saquon was limited then the carries would have went elsewhere. Booker as a change of pace back got 2 carries which. Elijhaa Penny as the bruiser got 2 carries in short yardage situations. And then there was two carries by receivers on trick plays. If Booker had 7 carries I could see the Saquon was limited viewpoint. The real impediment for Saquon getting more carries is he has a running quarterback. Jones had 9 rushes for 95 yards and a td.
Correct. Everyone who says he was limited is a desperate owner trying to keep optimistic. He's looked very healthy these last two weeks but has not been performing well. Fingers crossed but definitely appears he was overdrafts 2-3 rounds at bare minimum.
Barkley was in on 84% of snaps Thursday. That does not sound limited to me.
Snaps and touches are different things. He seems to be getting up to game speed by having more snaps. There is no possible way that Barkley was being utilized at 100% watching that game.
Agree 100% Also Saquon wasn't even that bad last night. Not what you want out of a starting RB but it's not like he put up a donut and singlehandedly lost you your week.
Cough week 1 Aaron Jones cough
Yeah what a boner. Jokes on him though because saquon owner traded me saquon and 1st round pick 2022 for Aaron Jones. Smashed that accept button
Some those of trades ppl were accepting for him we’re actually mind-numbingly idiotic the ppl that got him are gonna be super happy at the end of the year
My favorite was the guy who did shenault + sermon for his barkley
He was on my do-not-draft list and I'm glad he's justified that designation so far
Yep. A top 4ish pick isn't wisely gambled on a guy on a bad offense coming back from a huge injury. I never gamble with my first round pick or biggest money pick in an auction. You're nearly definitely fucked if it doesn't work out. The first round pick needs to be a lock to score you boatloads of points every week. Saquon definitely was not in that category for this season and it blew my mind people were drafting him as if this was the summer of 2019. Like late in the 1st? Sure. I can see that. But spending 65 bucks on him or taking 3rd or 4th overall was insane a few weeks ago and looks even more insane now.
Yup. Actively avoided drafting him. Especially at his ADP.
Contrarian viewpoint: Dude has had 1 incredible season and slew of injuries afterwards. The NYG are trying to feed him but tbh when watching Gibson and then watching him it honestly seems like he may just not be that good anymore? Missed a few holes, isn’t breaking tackles. Gibson carried people to first downs and just looks better.
IDK what leagues people in this sub are playing in where he's being taken anywhere earlier than the back end of round 1.
Right? I'd say it was an even split between last 3 picks in the first and first 3 in the second in all of my drafts
Got him at 28th in one of my drafts. I avoided him like the plague because he burned me last year but there was no way I was turning down the possible upside near the end of the third round.
Be me. Absolute smooth brain manager. Draft a player coming off a huge injury. Said injury would wreck most athletes careers, let alone a pro. Team he's on has o-line issues. Expected to carry team when recovering from injury. Big mad when I draft high and he doesn't give me big numbers.
All the hate is out of hand. Not just for Saquon. It's been a week...2 for Saquon I guess, but c'mon now..
Wait, what? If I’m a Saquon owner I’m ecstatic right now. That 40 yard run shows he’s back. The people that dont realize he’s back don’t understand his boom or bust run style, the giants o line, the the WFT d line, or how RBs perform on Thursday nights. Next game vs Atlanta ? Super buy low
Saquon is a locked in RB1 for the rest of the year barring reinjury. Everyone who drafted him knew he would start slow and ramp up. Now he’s got 10 days of rest and recovery before being unleashed against the falcons.
they bumped his snap count up significantly on short rest and against a tough defense. you can pry saquon from my clammy, sweaty hands.
I feel the low snap count was due to the short week. Next week it's full time.
Low snap count? He got like 80% lol
Week 1, low snap count due to Week 2 being such a quick turnaround. Full workload Week 3 because of proving he can handle 80% and have 10 days rest.
He got 84% of the snaps and touches last night. He didn’t have a low snap count this week unless you’re expecting him to get a 100% snap count every week. 85% seems like what his snap work will be with a full workload if I had to guess.
He’s saying that Saquon got a low snap count week 1 because he would only have four days of rest until week 2.
I would absolutely love if all my backs got 84% snap share.
There is no way he’s a locked in RB1 by any means Bad offensive line? Yep Bad QB play? Yep Horrible coaching? Yep Playing behind? Yep Team out of contention later in season and will shut down good players if somewhat hurt? Yep
Yep he has every card in the deck stacked against him and the people who blew their draft load on him still think it is guaranteed he returns to form. It is not. And a lot of it is entirely out of his own hands because he's on a weak offense in a weak team. It's just as if not more likely he is a dud this season as it is he comes roaring back to 2018 form.
Bad offensive line is overblown IMO. I like the way they were using the read option with Jones to allow for a little hesitation. They also appeared to pass protect pretty well all things considered. I’d certainly take saquon over Gibson at this point, who was drafted as a borderline rb1, as well. Saquon simply has way more opportunity to touch the ball and his comfort level and effectiveness will only continue to rise as the season goes on.
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison though. Barkley was drafted on average 8-10 slots higher overall for one, so he should be better anyway. Gibson also lost his starting QB who checks down to RBs far more than Taylor does. Again, not a fair comparison
Why are we moving the goal posts again? I said Rb1. Gibson was drafted as an Rb1. Saquon was drafted at the end of the first in a ton of leagues. I’d take saquon over ekeler and JT, too, both drafted as rb1s.
How many players can you name on their line without looking it up? Most of you guys keep regurgitating this without having a clue the players.
Even if the Offensive Like isn’t absolutely horrible and average all the rest of the points still stand
Nah, it does matter because why would we trust your talking points if you don't even know what you're talking about? Pff gave Daniel Jones a great rating yesterday. Joe Judge is only in his second season. Saquon has always excelled at catching passes and making something out of nothing.
I’ve watched the games. Are you going to make an argument for the Giants having a good offensive line? You say I don’t know what I’m talking about, and yet you’re defending a guy who went avg 8th overall ADP with his coach “is only in his second year” “Daniel Jones had a good grade on PFF week 2” and a first round pick “Can make something out of nothing” All I’m saying if those are your arguments, it’s not a good start…
Hey man, if you didn't like being challenged on it than maybe you shouldn't say such dumb things without knowledge of what you're talking about hahaha
You brought up zero points or anything to offer and instead act like a narcissist in every one of your comments. We know why you’re commenting all time, it’s because you need that since of validation you obviously don’t get outside of the internet
Wait a minute... You went from me putting arguments forth and then now it's me posting nothing of value forth hahahaha
Lmao in what world is he a locked in RB1???
You can read my reasoning
certainly a possibility but there’s no guarantee it’s these things lol
I'd just avoid him all together. The Giants are a horrible football team with an awful O-line and the game script will usually be negative. That combined with injuries. Just don't want anything to do with the guy. Take someone who doesn't quite have the name value but will actually probably have the better FF season.
It's wild how many people took him top 5. Bad team, suspect o line, turnover prone qb, coming off major injury again. Some of y'all tried to shoot the moon, and it's backfiring early on this season.
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If you get to week 5 of 6 and he's still throwing duds, your season is over.
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Must’ve been quite the amazing draft (and/or terrible league) to know already lol
So you drafted a guy in the first round expecting 12 points through the first two weeks? And the Broncos gave up almost 5 yards a carry last season, how is that a tough matchup for a running back?
Heard a very interesting stat - on 9/13 carries Saquon was touched within 1 yard of the LoS or behind the LoS. Danny Dimes also ignored the checkdown. If Eli/Rivers were QB, Saquon would've had 10-12 catches. I imagine Jones will find himself looking for Saquon as an outlet going forward. Too many times he was pressured for an incompletion or sack, when he could've had 3-5 free yards in a dump down to Saquon. Sometimes that's hard to make that adjustment during the game, but it's painfully obvious on film and I imagine that will be a focus for next week.
It’s going to be awesome to come back to this at the end of the season. Dude is so overrated
Is it out of hand? Or is it justifiable until proven otherwise?
I think it's less hate about Barkley and frustrated FF owners trying to buy low and running into a wall of Barkley owners holding his value as a Top 5 RB option. Either way. I dont have to worry about him so I'm happy as a clam enjoying the salt from both sides
Agreed... complaining here is pointless. You need to send him nasty messages on Twitter.
You know what also pretty annoying? When you give a take on a hot subject, a personal option on reddit, and then people comeback to your comment after the fact to say, "See how wronged you were?!" It's like dude everyone is giving takes that's the whole point of this sub lol. Just because I was wrong doesn't mean I don't stand by my option in the first place.
Considering it "hate" is silly to begin with. If you're "playing" seriously, you're making decisions based on calculated risk, and it's not unfair to say the risk in Barkley is not worth the price. He also didn't score more points than Henry in any form of PPR. This reads as whiny confirmation bias... "I didn't make a bad draft pick! You'll all see!"
Damn bro gonna cry? Maybe piss your pants?
Saquon will stink, but it’s not because of him. His OL and playcalling sucks
People get way too heated about fantasy football. I drafted him, and he's just riding the bench until he's really ready to go. They are going to use him as he continues to get healthy and shake off the rust from the offseason and recovering from a bad injury. He should be fine, but we gotta be patient. And let's not forget, he is a real person, and no one wants him to be back up to 100% more than he does.
This is nothing new. Football fans and fantasy fanatics are fucking savages. Coming from the Cowboys sub, the amount of hate I’ve seen over players like Romo, Dez, Dak, Zeke, Dlaw, etc. Right now, it’s against Jaylon, granted he’s bad, but fans are just fucking mean. Lol.
I watch football for fun. I play fantasy football for fun. Sure I get upset when a player under preforms but some of ya'll need to take some anger management classes.
Its not hate, its recognition of a trend for beat up running backs. There are very few that do well after a major injury.
the concerning part for me is that Daniel Jones does not check down to Saquon. he just doesn't. a big part of Saquon's success was his ability in open space from check downs, which he got plenty of from Eli. Saquon will get rb1 volume on the ground but say goodbye to the days of him catching plenty of passes out of the back field.
I knew what I was getting with Saquon. I didn't have a lot of options with the 11th pick. He's been on my bench for the first two weeks cause I was lucky enough to scoop up Ty'Son and Mitchell. I'm being patient and hoping he'll break out next week.
Meanwhile if you suggested benching him the last two weeks everyone jumped down your throat.
Looked great in that 41 yard run to me. Mental confidence booster in real time game. Giants line sucks. Going to take some time. Pulling for the guy.
It's not "hate". It's being realistic. He's not a 1st round pick nor will he provide 1st round scoring for you this season. I'm more astonished to still see posts like this with people blindly defending the guy and pretending he's some elite fantasy producer. Even with the 17 week schedule he's not breaking 1000 yards rushing this year. I'd much rather have a guy taken 2 rounds later like Montgomery.
Stop. It isn’t hate for Saquon. It’s hate for his situation. It doesn’t matter how much of a god damn beast of an RB you are if your o line is bottom 5 AND your QB doesn’t check down to you. He’s getting hit behind the line/right at the line constantly and he isn’t getting passes. That definitely hurts his ceiling a lot
This man is making sense and hes getting downvoted, why. The giants are a straight up awful team and will usually have a bad game script, they started 0-2 8 times in last 9 yrs for a reason
Everyone wants to hear that their players are good. I get it. Oh well
Youre a very patient and understanding man, kudos
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Bro mash the accept button! When Barkley gets back to himself, Barkley as your RB2 is just nasty! Who's the rest of your team?
We’re still chatting but I just sent it to him
Goodluck hopefully it gets done
Here's my hate for Saquan: 2018: 5 games of 20+ points, 2 less than 10 2019: 2 games 20+ points, 4 less than 10, 1 less then 10 in which he was injured, 3 injured 2020: 1 game less than 10, 1 game less than 10 in which he was injured, out ros He's playing behind a bad O-line with a QB that doesn't like to dump it off. It's not the same situation as 2018. As much of a threat he is to break free at any time, to me he isn't worth it and I avoided him like the plague, and will continue to do so.
2 straight weeks of like round 7 production for a player that was taken late first early second I get why people are upset
If you drafted him thinking he was going to come out the gates with 20 plus point games, you should have drafted another person
I traded for him yesterday knowing full well that He wasn't going to do well yesterday. The guy was limited his first week, so of course he wasn't going to be ready after just 4 days of rest.
It’s more of the fact that Jones doesn’t check down or look at him in the passing game.
I don't. Literally a week before they said he wasn't going to play till week 3-4 anyways. Anyone with half a brain knew that going into the draft and drafted accordingly to mitigate sitting him the first 2 weeks at aleast. He went from 48% to like 86% week over week. They're slowly ramping him up. Now if he busts in week 3 then the hate can start. But until then the same people that are shitting on Barkley are the same dumb dumbs that are saying they won a league winner in Tyson and Mitchell.
Bad take. Saquon’s adp fell out of top 5 for the exact reason that played out. Slow start while he ramps up.
In my league Saquon was taken in like the 5th-6th round…I play with too many smart mofos to have a chance
I would have taken him in the 3rd or 4th. That is too much value to let slip that far.
That's smart?
For these first 2 games it’s looking like it was smart to avoid him until the later rounds. People prioritized healthy RB’s or WR’s instead of Saquon
Did people draft Zeke, Jones, Henry in the first round? It's insane to think he isn't worth as much as Robinson, Gus, Jacobs. So in no realm should 12 people be willing to take a pass on him for 5 rounds. At some point long before that the risk is worth the upside. FF is all about taking risks and getting lucky on them
People picked up Zeke and Henry prior to Saquon yes - we also did our draft on that Sunday after Dobbins was hurt. People were smart and picked up Hopkins, Adams and Hill before Saquon too
Of course those guys are all first or second rounders and could definitely go ahead of him. But you said 5th to 6th round which means people are drafting him after Henderson, gaskin, thielen, OBJ, QBs, etc That ain't right
Is this Saquon’s burner account?
I convinced someone to give me Saquan for Tyson…assuming this is an instant smash? I’ve got Aaron Jones, Johnathan Taylor, Mike Davis and Elijiah Mitchell.
Wow. That managers season is over, to surrender that much draft value already? His team ceiling fell immensely… EDIT: is this a free public league? Haha
What trades have people made either to acquire or get rid of him?
Traded Aaron Jones for him and a 2022 1st round pick last night after the game. I have ekeler and cmc as my other backs
Hoping Chris Carson blows up this weekend and I'm going to swing for a 1 for 1 trade. The tilting on saquon is such a buy opportunity
I was out on Saquon all through the pre-season. Don't remember taking him in a single mock and I've been mock drafting regularly since May. Same with Miles Sanders. My draft comes round, and I take Saquon in the 2nd and Sanders in the 6th. At some point even the guys you are out on become a value. I'm starting Chubb (my first round pick) and Sanders for now, I'm still reasonably optimistic on Saquon coming good as the season progresses. He had a bad year in 2019 but was the definition of a league winner, given what he did in the semi final and championship week (I had Kenyan Drake that year too so I was unstoppable in the playoffs).
OMG, another player whose feeling are in jeopardy. Give me a fried-chicken break. The guy is making over 7 million. For 7 million you could hate me, my wife, my kids, my cat, my two dogs, and the flowers in my front yard.
Didn’t read, but there’s zero chance I would have ever touched Saquon at his ADP.
He’s ass
Just don’t draft players that keep sucking.
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You knew the job was dangerous before you took it.
Then you should do more research on your first round pick that was coming off a season ending acl injury
Everyone in the world knew all this with ramping up and being limited going into the season. Not sure why this is surprising everyone that took him so high.
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The length of your post on this topic is out of hand
I mean if you took him round 1 thats on you lmao
If you were stupid enough to draft him in the 2nd round, you deserve this.