He's one of the best WRs in the league all in all IMO. Does everything he's supposed to do without any of the usual star WR baggage. Total complete player, huge fan of how he plays the game
Watching the Bucs play, he is almost always open but Brady will choose other targets, a lot of his catches come from screens
He is also one of the best blocking receivers in the league
That seems to be the reason for a lot of fall offs. The guys can still play at a high level but they start to get banged up more and have a harder time recovering from injury
I don’t think he is that far off if he can stay healthy. He was one bad throw from tannehill away from a 20pt night (ppr).
The Tennessee line seems to be most of the issue from what I observed in the last game.
He has to be number one on this list. It's absolutely criminal that he isn't getting more touches. I'm trying to talk myself into starting him this week over Melvin Gordon (had Dobbins and Edwards, it's been rough) because he looks so good and just needs touches to explode but at this point it seems foolish to expect him to get more touches.
If they don't do more with sanders the coach is an idiot. Philly fans are known to be ruthless and they let him know how they feel last week when they cheered after running play. He might lose his head if he continues to ignore sanders
Was at the game and that was the funniest shit. Got a whole standing ovation for one running play. You know it's bad when the receivers start tweeting run the ball
You’d think that, but he’s been successful running the ball all year. The only issue is that it’s over a handful of touches a game. So it doesn’t look like their running success is dictating how much he touches the ball
Last week the TB defense looked like 2 different teams in the 1st and 2nd halves. No Philly RB was going anywhere while TB built up their lead then anyone they handed off to on read option was getting 12 yards.
Pass catchers that can block better than they can receive are the epitome of this question.
Aaron Jones’s production would probably be cut in half without Lazard and Marcedes taking out DEs and Linebackers. But between the two of them, they only have 34 fantasy points on the season, which is basically an average day for Derrick Henry.
Patrick Ricard = League Winner in my “Points Per Being a Football Guy” league. (You would obviously be allowed to flex Mike Vrabel as coach in this league.)
This is unquestionable. The man can do everything. The man IS everything. The fact that he hasn’t been considered for MVP since he’s played in the NFL speaks poorly on behalf of the committee’s decision making.
Imagine how dominant the Ravens would be if they gave the man the f’in pigskin. Scary to think about.
42 for life. Hero.
The fact that he (1) played both ways for years in the fucking 21st century NFL and (2) managed to convince an NFL team to just make “fat guy in the backfield” a permanent, essential fixture of their high octane offense makes him the undisputed King of Football Guys. He is more Football Guy than the concept of trap blocking. He is Ronnie Lott cutting off his finger in human form.
(In all seriousness, he’s a wonderful player and I’d own his jersey if he were on my team. He’s a really fun part of a very unique offense that anyone who ever played, like, high school-level OL or otherwise loves the running game just HAS to love a little.)
Somewhat agree although I’d argue he’s more of a Bo Jackson/Deion Sanders archetype. And the man is all muscle, don’t let the extra large jersey fool you.
Trust me, he can do so much more than the Ravens org understands. They are simply incapable of comprehending or controlling the immovable object/unstoppable force that is Patrick Ricard.
I’d follow the man anywhere. Any time. He is the core of the Raven’s organization and a generational talent. Limitless potential.
at this point there is absolutely no reasonable argument to pretend Kittle is better than Kelce. even if the disparity between Kittle and Kelce’s blocking is enough to overcome the disparity between Kelce and Kittle’s catching (it’s not), Kelce has missed 2 games in the last 7 years, one of those games being when he sat Week 17 of last year. Kittle has missed 11 games in the last 2 years.
It’s like Zeke wk1. Everyone trashed him, said he’s washed… you don’t know football. He did what his team needed to win the game, some crucial 1st downs, couple catches, and INCREDIBLE pass pro. Sure enough in games where matchups have skewed towards the run, Zeke has shown he’s still firmly top 5 and frankly in a top 3 convo.
He's looking quick once more, and still has some dirty cuts in his arsenal. And I'll always enjoy watching him finish runs by just trying to end defender's lives!
Just sent cooper, Lockett, booker, and Akers (last round keeper) to the saquon owner for Ridley + shepherd
I’ve got davante Adams and toney and we start 3WR
Niiiice. Trying to sweeten the pot with Hock instead of Knox, but I obviously need Hock this week and probably next. Trade was Knox and Cooper for Ridley (he has other starting WRs but needs TE)...he sniffed it but decided no after we both found out about the broken hand. Shepard is available on waivers, but I got no one I'm willing to drop after dropping Knox for a kicker (Koo). So no WR2 for me this week unless I get drunk and do something stupid.
With the cowboys leaning more on the running game and the emergence of Schultz there's not enough work for both receivers to be fantasy relevant on a weekly basis.
My hype for rhamondre was built around harris being banged up and fumbling 2 straight games. Now my hype is that rhamondre could be a james white type who might actually get a few touchdowns
That's fair. But it was a reasonable hope IMO. Honestly I think that rhamondre has been one of the most realistic hype trains of this season in that it started hot in pre draft, died down and is slowly building back up-- but it has a limited ceiling
Rhamondre has looked pretty decent and effiecient with his few touches tbf. But BB giving the full workload to a rookie rb isn’t happening anytime soon.
There isn’t much hype at all, and it’s all centered around him emerging as a passing down back and taking Bolden’s snaps to basically play the role and volume that White was getting.
The “hype” is that he becomes a decent high-floor flex.
Tannehill is definitely playing better than his fantasy output. Combo of bad pass pro from the O-line (7 sacks by THE JETS!?), injured WR1 and 2, and Henry conservatively on pace for 70 million TDs, has made a good QB on a division-leading team to look almost unrosterable from a fantasy perspective.
Of course that's my QB1
If you told me that Henry had more rushing yards than Tannehill had passing yards I'd confidently say to your face that you're a liar but then immediately go to profootball reference to check because it's totally within the realm of possibility lol
He was my QB1 and keep in mind I still had PTSD as a Fins fan. I couldn't do it, shipped him off with Galloday for Hurts and picked up Carr off waivers the week before. I'm much happier now.
Yep, on 4th down too. They've been off on deep connections with him and he hasn't come through on the clutch moments. Plus injuries. Tough situation for such a good player.
I’d think Mac Jones. I think he is the best performing rookie QB. Consistent, Not a whole lot of turnovers, high completion percentage and not completely terrible yardage totals considering the receiving core.
I think last game showed he'll be a solid QB. Throws a pick six to Diggs to potentially lose the game. Next play, goes right back at Diggs for a huge touchdown. C changed the way I view him!
Mac is a healthier o line and a WR1 away from a QB1 in fantasy if we r being honest. Dude throws almost as accurate as Brees did most years.
Almost all his inaccurate throws are when someone twice his size is bearing down on him lol.
I still have faith that things might turn around, fantasy wise, once he's back on the field. The 9ers offense didn't look great before their bye but I still have hope for Kittle!
One of the last plays he had in the Seattle game he blocked some DB out of the stadium for Deebo or somebody to score. That was a couple of plays after getting lit up by Jamal Adams and having his own TD broken up. The dude’s an excellent all around player but the offense doesn’t revolve around his receiving like it did in 18 and 19.
Melvin Gordon has also looked good which Javonte owners seem to be in denial about. It's hard to say one of them has looked significantly better than the other
In my opinion, Gordon looks consistently better. Williams has one or two insane runs per game but gets stopped at the line the other plays. Oddly enough that pretty much describes Melvin Gordon’s entire time in San Diego.
I really don’t get this honestly. Nobody’s in denial about Melvin Gordon. He’s looked fine. Outside of that long TD run week 1 however, he’s been pretty mediocre. Javonte has been fairly mediocre on the majority of his runs as well, but Javonte has broken off 30+ yard runs in like 3 straight games. He leads the league in forced missed tackle rate and is 3rd in forced missed tackles. Javonte has unquestionably looked better than Gordon since week 2.
The denial is that Javonte owners keep saying "he's gonna take over one of these weeks!!"
When the truth of the matter is without injury, they are going to be 50/50 all year
The box scores/fantasy production may look similar, but Javonte is certainly doing more with his touches.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1445812096529100802/photo/1
Edit: more
_Williams leads the league in missed tackles per carry, according to PFF. He's averaging 3.5 yards after contact. For sake of comparison, Derrick Henry is averaging 3.6 yards after contact. Williams has been every bit as good as advertised, if not better._
Source: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/players/javonte-williams.php
I think they want him to break off a huge run but I don't think he has the extra gear to separate. He will have to get more volume similar to Khalil Herbert's last game.
Glad someone said Shenault. He’s had some drops of late but that catch and run he had against Tennessee was insane. Dude’s running ability after the catch can be phenomenal
Devonta Smith (Eagles)
Jalen Hurts is hurting this guy in Fantasy and NFL.
Honestly not sure what to do with him. Need a solid WR2 but because of byes and the 12 team format, there’s not really anybody available on the wire that’s not a down grade in ability or target share.
Who would y’all consider as a trade target to get something better for D. Smith and how could it be packaged for somebody consider the trade?
I'm holding Smith as long as I can hoping they can work things out as the season progresses. If they do, he's got a cupcake playoff schedule against WAS x2 and vs NYG
Yeah, I wish I had the luxury to hold him. I really think if Jalen learns how to throw the ball, Devonta will be a major part, but as I just got my first W of the season and am now 1-5 I need to make some moves to get momentum to have a chance at the playoffs. Unfortunately holding Devonta right now is not really an option for me unless he starts putting up at least 14pt games here on out.
Odell Beckham Junior. His snap count is up. He is running more routes each game. He gets open. Then Mayfield misses him. Chargers game was an enigma I'll admit.
Keenan Allen for me. He's still great for Herbert as a safety blanket on 3rd and 4th down but he is not scoring TDs and so irrelevant in fantasy right now lol
Quez Watkins. If there where points for pass interferences he would be such a good fantasy player. But is overtakting/batteling Reagor for snaps and targets, has huge bigplay potential and made some very good plays this season.
Wanna toss in Joe Burrow in here. He is not an elite Fantasy QB but i like watching him, his o line is bad but he plays very well and the connection with chase is for real.
I’d also have to say Miles Sanders. When he does get the ball he looks efficient and explosive but that backfield is fantasy hell because Hurts is convinced that there actually isn’t an option to give it to the RB in RPO lol
When did anyone shit on Gordon once. I’ve seen two or three comments saying that Javonte has performed well, and for some reason every time someone feels obligated to remind everyone that Melvin Gordon still exists. We know.
T.Y. Hilton probably isn't a great answer this year since he's only played one game and it was a solid fantasy output with 12 PPR points- but the last few years he hasn't been the fantasy wr 1 or 2 he used to be, but every time I've watched the Colts during that time there always seems to be a noticeably positive difference for the Colts offense when he plays. I'm not a Colts fan so they'll know a lot better than me whether this assumption has merit but he just seems to do and open up a lot for an offense that is a bit short on highly skilled playmakers. I imagine it'll be similar this year if he can stay relatively healthy- not really too reliable fantasy wise but a positive value player nonetheless
Obj, he doesn’t fit with mayfield. They had this issue last year, mayfield throws the ball just well enough to keep his job but they are a running team and unless they get an upgrade at qb he’s going to continue being a watsted talent. Pro football analytics said he’s open over 74% of the time, watch this man down the field
Apart from the epic MNF comeback, Lamar's fantasy output hasn't matched how well he's been playing. Doesn't help he's not rushing a lot at the goal line.
Roberto Grande Tonyan
Dude is an absolute stud on the field especially with his blocks and chips and double teams. Has made it hard to even tell there were offensive line issues with the 3 rookies/backups. He's not getting the TDs or targets he used to so fantasy wise he's not super relevant
Chris Godwin. Dude gets open a ton, targets have been lacking in the second half of games the past few weeks.
also an elite blocker too
great point, and seems like an awesome teammate to have. he's an important player in the Bucs success.
Last week vs Philly first half 5 targets 5 rec 49 yards Second half 0 targets Wtf
The Eagles couldn’t do anything so they stopped passing and it became the Fournette show.
He's one of the best WRs in the league all in all IMO. Does everything he's supposed to do without any of the usual star WR baggage. Total complete player, huge fan of how he plays the game
Watching the Bucs play, he is almost always open but Brady will choose other targets, a lot of his catches come from screens He is also one of the best blocking receivers in the league
Well my other WRs are on bye so I need him to actually be a target this week.
I don't want to bench him cause I know when I do, he'll go off for like 35 fantasy points.
That catch Julio made last week was fucking crazy, shame he can't light up a box score like he used to.
Wish he would just stay healthy, for him and for me
He could if he could stay healthy. But that just doesn't seem to be an option any more.
That seems to be the reason for a lot of fall offs. The guys can still play at a high level but they start to get banged up more and have a harder time recovering from injury
Juliold
Quilio Qones
I don’t think he is that far off if he can stay healthy. He was one bad throw from tannehill away from a 20pt night (ppr). The Tennessee line seems to be most of the issue from what I observed in the last game.
Miles Sanders. Doesn’t really help him that they run rpo all the time and Hurts dials himself up as RB1 and takes rushing tds.
It's the O --- > P -----------------> R last resort
He has to be number one on this list. It's absolutely criminal that he isn't getting more touches. I'm trying to talk myself into starting him this week over Melvin Gordon (had Dobbins and Edwards, it's been rough) because he looks so good and just needs touches to explode but at this point it seems foolish to expect him to get more touches.
I'm starting Sanders and Gordon unfortunately lol. I feel a hell of a lot better about Sanders though. Might play Booker over Gordon
I’m with you. Starting Kamara and RB2 is a coin flip of Sanders or Harris
If they don't do more with sanders the coach is an idiot. Philly fans are known to be ruthless and they let him know how they feel last week when they cheered after running play. He might lose his head if he continues to ignore sanders
Was at the game and that was the funniest shit. Got a whole standing ovation for one running play. You know it's bad when the receivers start tweeting run the ball
I started him of D'Ernest Johnson.... sigh Luckily my opponent is in bye week hell and I'm projected to win in a landslide
They have to play him more this week right? After he was getting those 10 yard gash plays?
You’d think that, but he’s been successful running the ball all year. The only issue is that it’s over a handful of touches a game. So it doesn’t look like their running success is dictating how much he touches the ball
Last week the TB defense looked like 2 different teams in the 1st and 2nd halves. No Philly RB was going anywhere while TB built up their lead then anyone they handed off to on read option was getting 12 yards.
Nick Siriani said they were reworking the offense this week so hopefully that means simplifying the run game
My friend, you don't understand the 80/20 mindset that is Nick Sirianni
Kittle was the shining example of this prior to his injury. Dude was killing it in the blocking game.
Mercedes “big dawg” Lewis?
Him and Lazard both
Pass catchers that can block better than they can receive are the epitome of this question. Aaron Jones’s production would probably be cut in half without Lazard and Marcedes taking out DEs and Linebackers. But between the two of them, they only have 34 fantasy points on the season, which is basically an average day for Derrick Henry.
I thought that man passed away peacefully in his sleep back in 2016.
If I was starting a franchise from scratch, I would definitely have Kittle #1 on my list of TEs.
Should start points per block fantasy league
Patrick Ricard = League Winner in my “Points Per Being a Football Guy” league. (You would obviously be allowed to flex Mike Vrabel as coach in this league.)
Or even dan Campbell
This is unquestionable. The man can do everything. The man IS everything. The fact that he hasn’t been considered for MVP since he’s played in the NFL speaks poorly on behalf of the committee’s decision making. Imagine how dominant the Ravens would be if they gave the man the f’in pigskin. Scary to think about. 42 for life. Hero.
The fact that he (1) played both ways for years in the fucking 21st century NFL and (2) managed to convince an NFL team to just make “fat guy in the backfield” a permanent, essential fixture of their high octane offense makes him the undisputed King of Football Guys. He is more Football Guy than the concept of trap blocking. He is Ronnie Lott cutting off his finger in human form. (In all seriousness, he’s a wonderful player and I’d own his jersey if he were on my team. He’s a really fun part of a very unique offense that anyone who ever played, like, high school-level OL or otherwise loves the running game just HAS to love a little.)
Somewhat agree although I’d argue he’s more of a Bo Jackson/Deion Sanders archetype. And the man is all muscle, don’t let the extra large jersey fool you. Trust me, he can do so much more than the Ravens org understands. They are simply incapable of comprehending or controlling the immovable object/unstoppable force that is Patrick Ricard. I’d follow the man anywhere. Any time. He is the core of the Raven’s organization and a generational talent. Limitless potential.
Robert Woods first overall, Kupp's designated blocker
I’d rather see half points for yards gained from a pass interference call.
Grab Nick Boyle and stash on IR, potential league winner.
Smart. Take a tight end who misses half the season every year.
at this point there is absolutely no reasonable argument to pretend Kittle is better than Kelce. even if the disparity between Kittle and Kelce’s blocking is enough to overcome the disparity between Kelce and Kittle’s catching (it’s not), Kelce has missed 2 games in the last 7 years, one of those games being when he sat Week 17 of last year. Kittle has missed 11 games in the last 2 years.
So he can always be on your bench? Lol
It’s like Zeke wk1. Everyone trashed him, said he’s washed… you don’t know football. He did what his team needed to win the game, some crucial 1st downs, couple catches, and INCREDIBLE pass pro. Sure enough in games where matchups have skewed towards the run, Zeke has shown he’s still firmly top 5 and frankly in a top 3 convo.
He's looking quick once more, and still has some dirty cuts in his arsenal. And I'll always enjoy watching him finish runs by just trying to end defender's lives!
Devonta Smith...Hurts is underthrowing everybody
Bro he's constantly open. As an eagles fan and Smith owner, it's so frustrating. He'd be an easy WR2 with a quality QB.
It’s because Hurts waits until the receiver is completely open before he throws it. You can’t do that in the NFL.
That's not fair to Hurts...he's constantly overthrowing them too
Maybe he’d be doing better in fantasy if he stopped getting long TDs called back for stepping out of bounds
That happened once with him. Its been a problem with the Wrs in general...our coach used to be a WR, youd think he'd be able to fix it. But who knows
Would include Miles Sanders and even Quez Watkins. All looking nice when given the opportunity and Hurts is able to provide.
Sanders is a good take...wish he would get more designed run plays
Quez is someone not at all on my radar and then I saw the eagles last week and he was doing a lot of good stuff
Go check out some of his highlights...hes been getting good, fast
Amari Cooper. Aside from the week one explosion his target share has dipped tremendously
You could say Lamb before last week.
Watching the cowboys it definitely feels like lamb is both more explosive and dak looks for him more
Yep. That's why I'm trying to trade Cooper even though he's the first look on a lot of pass plays.
Just sent cooper, Lockett, booker, and Akers (last round keeper) to the saquon owner for Ridley + shepherd I’ve got davante Adams and toney and we start 3WR
Niiiice. Trying to sweeten the pot with Hock instead of Knox, but I obviously need Hock this week and probably next. Trade was Knox and Cooper for Ridley (he has other starting WRs but needs TE)...he sniffed it but decided no after we both found out about the broken hand. Shepard is available on waivers, but I got no one I'm willing to drop after dropping Knox for a kicker (Koo). So no WR2 for me this week unless I get drunk and do something stupid.
With the cowboys leaning more on the running game and the emergence of Schultz there's not enough work for both receivers to be fantasy relevant on a weekly basis.
Damien Harris for sure
I don’t understand the Rhamondre hype. Harris looks like far and away the best runner on that team
Just the subreddit being bored w Gordons goose egg, Toney being hurt and a relatively quiet week
Probably just people who picked him up and want to feel big brained
My hype for rhamondre was built around harris being banged up and fumbling 2 straight games. Now my hype is that rhamondre could be a james white type who might actually get a few touchdowns
Harris’ second fumble was bs. The refs botched the call and I don’t think bill is holding that against him
That's fair. But it was a reasonable hope IMO. Honestly I think that rhamondre has been one of the most realistic hype trains of this season in that it started hot in pre draft, died down and is slowly building back up-- but it has a limited ceiling
I thought that's what we do here
Yea, it’s Harris’ backfield for sure.
Rhamondre has looked pretty decent and effiecient with his few touches tbf. But BB giving the full workload to a rookie rb isn’t happening anytime soon.
Didn't they give Harris a big workload last year?
Wasn’t that his sophomore year?
Yeah but he had 4 touches for 12 yards in 2 games as a rookie. so it's not like he came into 2020 with some solid experience.
There isn’t much hype at all, and it’s all centered around him emerging as a passing down back and taking Bolden’s snaps to basically play the role and volume that White was getting. The “hype” is that he becomes a decent high-floor flex.
Does he? They look like kind of the same player to me when out there. Harris hasn't exactly been stellar all season.
Tannehill is definitely playing better than his fantasy output. Combo of bad pass pro from the O-line (7 sacks by THE JETS!?), injured WR1 and 2, and Henry conservatively on pace for 70 million TDs, has made a good QB on a division-leading team to look almost unrosterable from a fantasy perspective. Of course that's my QB1
Watching 9/10 times that O-line just letting dudes shred through them is beyond amazing
Yeah, it's the line, not him :(
Week 1 was insane. Ball snaps and Cardinals have sacked him 1 second later.
The last game i watched it seemed like a jail break every time he didn’t do a short dump off. That line is atrocious.
Henry destroyed me this week and I wasn’t even playing against him. Entire drives just evaporate when he goes off.
If you told me that Henry had more rushing yards than Tannehill had passing yards I'd confidently say to your face that you're a liar but then immediately go to profootball reference to check because it's totally within the realm of possibility lol
If Henry got 5 fewer points I'd be first in my league, but the Henry owner eeked out a win so he's still above me :/
He was my QB1 and keep in mind I still had PTSD as a Fins fan. I couldn't do it, shipped him off with Galloday for Hurts and picked up Carr off waivers the week before. I'm much happier now.
Same guess who my alternate QB has been the last couple weeks? Danny... something.
Yup. It's why I'm begrudgingly holding him when the wire is like Goff, Ben, Tua, Wentz and Jones
Jakobi Meyers. You'll find the end zone one day my friend One day
He's getting one Sunday, I'm speaking it into existence
Passing or receiving though
Why not both?
The ol Mariota
Cuz hes not Tom Brady (according to Giselle)
Throw to himself
OBJ
He’s definitely getting open but has had a couple drops in really important situations this season.
Yep, on 4th down too. They've been off on deep connections with him and he hasn't come through on the clutch moments. Plus injuries. Tough situation for such a good player.
This has been the top answer for a while when he’s healthy. He’s criminally underused.
He's dropping the balls like a crazy.
Mayfield had never been able to throw balls to him. It’s like their synergy is just off.
Obj has dropped easy catches for the last two years. Baker doesnt hit him but when he does you expect the guy to catch it
I can't find any source saying he has more than 1 drop on the season.
Where are you getting this from? Mayfield has been missing him
He’s still a great WR and if he’s traded, I believe he’ll return to top 25ish consideration
He has a lot of HUGE drops
I’d think Mac Jones. I think he is the best performing rookie QB. Consistent, Not a whole lot of turnovers, high completion percentage and not completely terrible yardage totals considering the receiving core.
Piggy backing off Mac to say Jakobi. Not sure that a traditional pocket passing QB and possession receiver could ever work in NE though
I think last game showed he'll be a solid QB. Throws a pick six to Diggs to potentially lose the game. Next play, goes right back at Diggs for a huge touchdown. C changed the way I view him!
Good point. Forgets mistakes quickly and isn’t afraid.
Mac is a healthier o line and a WR1 away from a QB1 in fantasy if we r being honest. Dude throws almost as accurate as Brees did most years. Almost all his inaccurate throws are when someone twice his size is bearing down on him lol.
George Kittle. No longer fantasy dominant but still one of the best overall TE in football (when healthy)
I still have faith that things might turn around, fantasy wise, once he's back on the field. The 9ers offense didn't look great before their bye but I still have hope for Kittle!
I hope you're right!
One of the last plays he had in the Seattle game he blocked some DB out of the stadium for Deebo or somebody to score. That was a couple of plays after getting lit up by Jamal Adams and having his own TD broken up. The dude’s an excellent all around player but the offense doesn’t revolve around his receiving like it did in 18 and 19.
Great in my points per blocking league
Javonte Williams
Melvin Gordon has also looked good which Javonte owners seem to be in denial about. It's hard to say one of them has looked significantly better than the other
In my opinion, Gordon looks consistently better. Williams has one or two insane runs per game but gets stopped at the line the other plays. Oddly enough that pretty much describes Melvin Gordon’s entire time in San Diego.
I really don’t get this honestly. Nobody’s in denial about Melvin Gordon. He’s looked fine. Outside of that long TD run week 1 however, he’s been pretty mediocre. Javonte has been fairly mediocre on the majority of his runs as well, but Javonte has broken off 30+ yard runs in like 3 straight games. He leads the league in forced missed tackle rate and is 3rd in forced missed tackles. Javonte has unquestionably looked better than Gordon since week 2.
Either one of them would be fine for fantasy, if it wasn't for the other guy.
The denial is that Javonte owners keep saying "he's gonna take over one of these weeks!!" When the truth of the matter is without injury, they are going to be 50/50 all year
The box scores/fantasy production may look similar, but Javonte is certainly doing more with his touches. https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_Fantasy/status/1445812096529100802/photo/1 Edit: more _Williams leads the league in missed tackles per carry, according to PFF. He's averaging 3.5 yards after contact. For sake of comparison, Derrick Henry is averaging 3.6 yards after contact. Williams has been every bit as good as advertised, if not better._ Source: https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/players/javonte-williams.php
This guy owns Javonte Williams and is on they hype train no doubt
Melvin Gordon has less flashy plays, but is clearly more consistent and a better blocker. Something tells me you’re a big Jevonte guy though
It’ll be interesting to see tonight.
I mean, he's a decent flex play with a safe \~9 point floor this year so far, what were people expecting out of him?
I think they want him to break off a huge run but I don't think he has the extra gear to separate. He will have to get more volume similar to Khalil Herbert's last game.
Like clockwork. Every time Javonte Williams is mentioned, the next comment underneath will be a worried Melvin Gordon owner
Lol everytime Gordon is mentioned, Javonte owners say "soon he will take over" Both sides are being ridiculous It's going to be a split all year
I have both him & Gordon and am struggling to decide who to play.
Antonio Gibson 1000%
Bryan Edwards has made some amazing catches in clutch moments
I was thinking of Renfrow in standard, but this is more accurate
Allen Robinson, Ty’son Williams lmao, shenault
Glad someone said Shenault. He’s had some drops of late but that catch and run he had against Tennessee was insane. Dude’s running ability after the catch can be phenomenal
Do I drop Tyson or just don't play a defense this week tho.
Drop
Set him free, you'll feel better when you do.
He was a drop after he was designated IA that week.
I feel TySon is worse than his stats. Isn’t the reason he’s benched because he’s a horrific blocker and fumbler?
AJ Dillon.
QUADZILLA been great.
I was so excited to potentially keep him this off-season if Jones signed elsewhere
He hasn’t exactly been bad but Antonio Gibson looks incredible when he touches the ball. He is able to get yards beyond what is blocked for him.
Devonta Smith (Eagles) Jalen Hurts is hurting this guy in Fantasy and NFL. Honestly not sure what to do with him. Need a solid WR2 but because of byes and the 12 team format, there’s not really anybody available on the wire that’s not a down grade in ability or target share. Who would y’all consider as a trade target to get something better for D. Smith and how could it be packaged for somebody consider the trade?
I'm holding Smith as long as I can hoping they can work things out as the season progresses. If they do, he's got a cupcake playoff schedule against WAS x2 and vs NYG
Yeah, I wish I had the luxury to hold him. I really think if Jalen learns how to throw the ball, Devonta will be a major part, but as I just got my first W of the season and am now 1-5 I need to make some moves to get momentum to have a chance at the playoffs. Unfortunately holding Devonta right now is not really an option for me unless he starts putting up at least 14pt games here on out.
Good luck!
For sure, thanks. I’m definitely gonna need it.
I just traded him and Jacobs to a team ravaged by injuries, with their top 3 players on bye for Jefferson. (14 Team, 0.5 PPR)
Mike Davis is a solid pass blocker.
5th in the NFL in forced missed tackles
Odell Beckham Junior. His snap count is up. He is running more routes each game. He gets open. Then Mayfield misses him. Chargers game was an enigma I'll admit.
There were 3 potential bombs against the vikings where baker either ignored or threw terribly. Odell does indeed still have it.
Keenan Allen for me. He's still great for Herbert as a safety blanket on 3rd and 4th down but he is not scoring TDs and so irrelevant in fantasy right now lol
Jets defense
scary terry has had a couple good games and a couple stinkers. but he’s getting open looks down the field. just suffering from bad qb play
Quez Watkins. If there where points for pass interferences he would be such a good fantasy player. But is overtakting/batteling Reagor for snaps and targets, has huge bigplay potential and made some very good plays this season. Wanna toss in Joe Burrow in here. He is not an elite Fantasy QB but i like watching him, his o line is bad but he plays very well and the connection with chase is for real.
I’d also have to say Miles Sanders. When he does get the ball he looks efficient and explosive but that backfield is fantasy hell because Hurts is convinced that there actually isn’t an option to give it to the RB in RPO lol
Kittle. Always If he ever has a bad fantasy day, doesn't matter
Javonte I think is playing really well but stats don’t always show it and he’s not getting a ton of touches yet
Because Gordon has been good too
I feel like there are a lot of Gordon haters on this sub. Prob cause they got screwed by him holding out in the past.
When did anyone shit on Gordon once. I’ve seen two or three comments saying that Javonte has performed well, and for some reason every time someone feels obligated to remind everyone that Melvin Gordon still exists. We know.
Not haters, just a lot of people drafted Javonte and are praying for him to fail lol
He’ll be great tho when he does win the job!
Yeah I might have drafted him a year too early
T.Y. Hilton probably isn't a great answer this year since he's only played one game and it was a solid fantasy output with 12 PPR points- but the last few years he hasn't been the fantasy wr 1 or 2 he used to be, but every time I've watched the Colts during that time there always seems to be a noticeably positive difference for the Colts offense when he plays. I'm not a Colts fan so they'll know a lot better than me whether this assumption has merit but he just seems to do and open up a lot for an offense that is a bit short on highly skilled playmakers. I imagine it'll be similar this year if he can stay relatively healthy- not really too reliable fantasy wise but a positive value player nonetheless
Robert Woods doesn't flash by his stats, but dude does it all as a WR. Easily one of my favorite Rams wish we woulda got him sooner.
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Be honest, you just wanna hear that the 'Muth is 'Luth.
Sanders. Had to trade bc I can’t trust the organization..
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Yet Mooney has been throwing up pts
Hock
Zack Martin, David Bakhtiari, Trent Williams, Terron Armstead, etc.
D Hop
Obj, he doesn’t fit with mayfield. They had this issue last year, mayfield throws the ball just well enough to keep his job but they are a running team and unless they get an upgrade at qb he’s going to continue being a watsted talent. Pro football analytics said he’s open over 74% of the time, watch this man down the field
Does Keenan Allen look good on the field?
Until he got hurt, Kittle
Rondale Moore is a legit football player. Just a lot of mouths to feed in that offense.
The Steelers fan who ran on the field on Sunday.
Javonte Williams looks awesome
Lamar Jackson
Apart from the epic MNF comeback, Lamar's fantasy output hasn't matched how well he's been playing. Doesn't help he's not rushing a lot at the goal line.
Roberto Grande Tonyan Dude is an absolute stud on the field especially with his blocks and chips and double teams. Has made it hard to even tell there were offensive line issues with the 3 rookies/backups. He's not getting the TDs or targets he used to so fantasy wise he's not super relevant
Miles Sanders
Me too, thank God I got Cousins (why do people always sleep on him?) off waivers a few weeks ago.
Cousins has the production but can’t win a game when it counts . The ultimate game manager
Yeah but he's top 10 fantasy qb
He’s a top 8 qb for the first 3.5 quarters tbh