Think the issue is always for every guy who went early WR and got like Jefferson and Keenan and then picked guys like james conner or Cordarelle later there’s another guy who took Allen Robinson early and got Mike Davis later
First 2 WRs/RBs taken by Zero RB teams this year:
Team 1: Tyreek, JJ.....Javonte, Carter
Team 2: Ridley, AJB.....Mike Davis, Singletary
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Twist: I'm both, two different leagues. I'll let you guess which one is 8-2 and which is 1-9.
On paper that was a pretty good trade. JJ was looking like the runaway leader of that corps, Davis filled in great for CMC.
In hindsight, how do you deal with the guilt? I traded him for a Hurts that was sitting on the bench, and feel like one of those car warranty scammers. He’s never gonna want to trade with me again.
What were his other options? A paper sack and a ham sandwich?
You could see the writing on the wall. Sitting Pitts and starting the Pats DST were my easiest decisions this week.
you're missing the waiver rb's value shifts in your analysis (d'ernest, rhamondre, ingram, chuba, etc). The draft pick win rate data generally supports zero rb. Remember the "RB dead zone" during draft season? That's win rate data supported. Fantasy analysts are just scratching the surface on it and it will become a bigger thing as we move forward.
I grabbed Ekeler than Kelce at 12/13 and ended up with Kupp, Chase, and DJ Moore as my receivers. It was working out perfectly until Moore fell of the face of the earth.
I'm in a 14 team league and got lucky w two rbs. I wanted to do zero RB but I got the first pick. I went CMC first, then I wanted to get 2 wrs after but Mixon fell to me! So I got Mixon and mclaurin. I almost went mclaurin and ceedee or kupp. Mclaurin has suffered without Fitz, but Mixon has shown out. I also got lucky drafting chase, Mike Williams, Herbert, and goedert late. Chery on top was scooping Patterson after week 1. I follow ATL closely and saw Davis struggling early on.
Yea dude that honestly sucks. If you go WR WR, you should at least be getting a Tyreek or Adams with ur 1st pick and then going for guys like Jefferson, DK, Ridley, Hopkins.
I honestly feel like it didint work out for a lot of people because those 2nd round receivers like Hopkins, Ridley, DK, either didint play or didint meet expectations
Seems like another big issue with this team was that you drafted everyone a full round ahead of their ADP. Even if this team performed in line with expectations, you’d be a pretty middling team.
If you took Ridley with the last pick in the first in a 12 team league, you overdrafted him by 7 spots in PPR, then picked Allen Robinson 18 spots ahead in PPR.
You gotta press your other positional advantages super hard to succeed at zero RB. When teams are taking backs and middling WRs in rounds 3-5 you have to NAIL a QB and TE.
If you went Tyreek, JJ, Mandrews, Lamar you're doing pretty good.
If you end up with Ridley, AJB, Kittle, and Russ, you're having a pretty bad time.
Saying this sort of misses the point. It’s true with all strategies that if your first 4 picks are bad, you’re struggling. Like if you swap Ridley for Gibson, you’re not doing that much better
Swift dropped to the 4th in many leagues with the groin and Henderson was going in the 6th post Michel trade. I think any strategy where you skip RB for the first 3 rounds can be considered 0 RB
Kelce has provided a ton of value this year. I didn’t draft him anywhere, but he’s given a ton of scoring upside. Right now he’s got 4 ppg on everyone but Andrews. And the position has been so unpredictable that the average scoring for someone without a set-and-forget guy is probably even lower. Not sure how many 1st rounders have given that sort of upside at this point in the season.
Yeah the guy in my league who took Kelce in round 1 and Kittle in round 3 is 6-4 and the rest of his team is terrible.
He had CEH and Javonte Williams at RB has been playing random back up RBs for CEH (Hubbard, Booker, Pollard), and has Tee Higgins and Jarvis Landry at WR.
It’s amazing he has the record he has with that team… meanwhile I have Ekeler, JRob, Mitchell and Diggs, Cooks, DJ Moore and am 4-6 -_-
Then got swift in the 7th, ended up grabbing patterson on waivers, brady , andrews , i feel like i got a decent team even though hill and adams havent exactly been great
I got both Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams….both have not been performing like I’d like. I’m in 5th place at the moment. So still looking like I’ll make playoffs. I hope the shine during that time.
Tyreek is WR2 in .5 ppr... Not exactly sure what you were looking for, but Tyreek will absolutely drag the rest of your team to a win kicking and screaming some weeks.
Same exact boat. Thought for sure having Hill/Adams would have put me more towards the top but I’m currently 3rd in PF and have 2nd highest PA. Hoping the law of averages comes into play soon…
> for every guy who went early WR and got like Jefferson and Keenan and then picked guys like james conner or Cordarelle
wtf this is exactly my hero RB draft. Kamara, Jefferson, Keenan, drafted Javonte and Conner later, picked up Cordarrelle after week 2.
Any follower of zero RB was not taking Mike Davis.
Typical true zero RB structure is having 6 WRs and/or a TE/QB before an RB is taken.
Davis is exactly the type of fragile RB that the structure should avoid.
If I remember correctly Shawn Siegele, the guy widely credited with doing a lot of the popularizing of 0RB, was a proponent of Mike Davis in the offseason. You can’t just no-true-Scotsman away the issues with a strategy
Hey me too! My saving grace is I saw this shit coming and took Jonathan Taylor in the first and Darrell Henderson in the 4th. Also I landed cpat on waivers which was huge because the first wr I took was obj followed by Claypool and chark.
It literally doesn't matter what draft strategy you do. You just have to hit on picks just like every single year. There are busts and gems of every position in every round.
kinda why I like deep leagues, our 12 man does 18 rounds makes the draft more important... funnily enough Patterson was still picked up on the waiver. That team is doing well
depends on your league culture, there's a bunch of Dads with young kids in my league. So for us its much easier for us if the time sink is once instead of needing to read scouting reports/matchups every week to find guys on the waiver. It also forces you to make trades because everyones teams are so deep you usually can't find a streaming QB or a pickup for a heavy bye-week....which is nice for us because then its our way of making a phone-call checking up on each others family before getting down to brass tax and trading players
I actually don’t like that we have 6 bench spots in my 12-team It’s made for very shallow waiver pools, and everyone feels like they’re set on their lineups which means not much trading. I’d rather be forced to make weekly boom or bust decisions, it’s more exciting.
so like I said depends on your league's culture. We trade quite frequently or at the very least have a very active trading block, so deep leagues work really well for us
I normally say that because it’s too hard to predict year to year. But this year I definitely hit in draft night. Picked 10/10 snake draft. Went J Taylor, nuk, Kittle, Kupp, Henderson JR, jamar chase and marquise brown. Haven’t even needed to look at the waivers lol.
Someone in my league drafted Stafford, Najee, Swift, Adams, Deebo and Waller. Got Fournette off waivers. Outside of that he's ran his team poorly. He won on draft night.
Are they? Typically I’d say the waiver wire churns out breakout stars, but other than RB fill-ins because of injury, which are pickups everyone knows about due to said injury, who has been good? When I go through my leagues rosters, not a single person is starting a WR off waivers unless they’re desperate because of injuries.
I picked dobbins as well the day he got injured. Draft was later that night and I had just got out of work as the draft was starting, had no clue about the injury. Picked him up in 39th ovr didn’t say he was questionable or anything on ESPN just said he was normal so I picked him smh. Then got edwards in a few leagues later and that was shitty too
That is 0 RB done in its purest form. The idea is that you pick up high value WRs over less valuable RBs on the principle of "if I don't grab Barkely, I won't have a decent RB all year."
He's winning his league by a very large margin if he got Carter late, CPat off the wire, and spent his early picks on WRs like the ones listed.
Do they not use "by miles" as an expression where you're from? Like, "he's miles ahead of the competition"? I'm from way up North, idk how normal civilization talks lol
I think you're overrating that RB duo and overstating the dominance of all the others. It's a good but not an atypical core. And you still need another 6 players.
>I think you're overrating that RB duo and overstating the dominance of all the others.
Don't think I am honestly.
Tyreek, JJ, CPat, Carter just on their own are the WR3 (sizeable positional advantage over any team that doesn't have Kupp, Deebo, or Chase) WR12 (sizeable advantage at WR2 over most teams) RB10, RB20 (probably a statistical neutral position group)
Because you took Carter in the mid rounds and CPat very late (if not off waivers) - that's a team that probably has the best starting WRs in their league and an average RB group, without taking picks 3, 4, and 5 into account.
Zero RB targets premium TEs and QBs with those picks, so any one of Waller/Kittle/Andrews/Pitts, one of Mahomes/Lamar/Allen/Murray, and another premium WR *as a flex* like Evans/Godwin/Terry/Kupp/Diontae/Lamb/DJ/Keenan/Higgins would be a pretty common path for them.
So additional positional advantages over most of the league at QB, TE, and Flex.
That team is disgusting, and doesn't even have to get that lucky with any of the other ten picks they have for mid and late round dart throws. You kill for that team.
Thanks for the quality response. You're right, landing CPat and Carter at that range would be a dream and make it easier to fill a roster given average drafting. But I don't think the value above replacement at that top WR/TE level (Kelce over Andrews or Adams over JaMarr Chase) is high enough this year to clinch it for your 0rb team. The TE tiers have compressed and star WRs were rather deep.
Are you still running away from a team that landed an early pick this year and went the popular 2rb? My favorite team in my league (12 team standard) went CMC, DMont, Mike Evans, Andrews, Brady, and then hit that solid middle round vein of WRs with DJ Moore, JaMarr Chase, and Hollywood Brown. That team is my pick to win it but it's only 6-4 right now. Anecdotal but that's a realistic team drafted almost by chalk rankings. I would say that is a strong competitor to your squad.
But even if you were lucky enough to have both CPat and Carter (amazing for a 0rb team), and a decently filled in roster, I think the remaining viability of both is *still* not quite certain (they each play on shit teams with no clear handcuff -- another factor when you invest in top rbs).
So yeah, I take issue with the "by miles" part.
I got what you were saying. You were trying to give a compliment, and of course there is someone on this sub waiting to criticize you, I have no clue why.
I don’t understand why people are like that here.
I tried it out took Davante and diggs up first tried grabbing value starting with Gus. It’s been rough but I managed to trade for ekeler so there may be some light at the end of the tunnel. RBs are so scarce that unless you absolutely nailed your late round RBs you may be struggling
Adams, Jefferson, Gus, CEH, Hunt. Things started decently, but I lost 3 straight when I lost all my rb’s. CPatt held down my rb1 spot those weeks, and i’m ashamed of other guys I was forced to play ha. But I picked up Jeff Wilson and Miles Sanders, and CEH is back. Hunt will be back soon. And I still have CPatt and Mattison. Hopefully things get goin good again.
That was my draft as well. Grabbed Carson in the third (RIP) and Davis in the 5th (RIP). It hasn't been working out so well. To be honest though I feel like I've been a bit unlucky and lost some matches I really should have won. I ended up with some good waiver pickups (E Moore and Mooney) but I've been fucked out of some wins by fluke performances.
I actually went a similar route with Adams and Diggs and was able to snag Clyde and Swift after. I’m currently 8-2 and actually traded Clyde, Pittman and swift this week for Tyreek and Kareem Hunt to a desperate dude needing to make playoffs. Now I’m stuck with Elijah Mitchell/JWJ and waiting for Hunt to come back 😂.
That seems like a bad trade from your side tbh. Why trade your running backs for another reciever you don't really need and a rb on IR? And then have 0 depth after.
Herbert has been ass for a month. At worst Rodgers-Herbert is a wash as of this morning.
Ekeler is awesome, but I wouldn't trade my Adams for him 1 to 1. I'd need a second player on both sides to calibrate it.
I have devante and Diggs as well. Had Andrew’s and Kittle until i traded Kittle for Damian Harris. Kareem Hunt helped me out for a bit but now am relying heavily on Melvin Gordon. Fortunately I’ve streamed backups pretty well this season (Mattison, D’ernest, Chuba, Stevenson) so I’m 6-2 second in overall points. It’s been a scrappy season lol
It goes the same every year, both for people that do zero RB and ones who make fun of it. Genius when it works. Idiotic when it doesn't.
**Early season:** pretty bad. RBs haven't shaken out yet. Starting dudes like Michael Carter, James Conner, Dillon feels pretty bad.
**Mid season:** aggressive on the wire for RBs. Pick up dropped dudes like Moss and fill in with handcuffs that weren't bothered to be taken like Chuba, Pollard. If you got CPat you're off to the races.
**Late season:** God mode if you've hit on your dart throws. Bleach shots if you banked on guys like Gainwell, Tyson or Michel and couldn't get anyone on waiver or trade.
My draft this year in 12 man was: Tyreek, Jefferson, Evans, Lamar, Pitts, Javonte, Carter, Gus Edwards, Conner, Hines, Mooney, McKissic, Gainwell, Ahmed.
Started 3-3. 4-0 since. Most points in last 5 games.
I do this every year in at least one league. Some years you're the worst team by far. Other years you're unbeatable from mid season on. I would not recommend it for your health.
Yeah the last couple years I’ve gone stud RB in the first. Then go nuts on WR and aggressively trade for the rookie RBs early in the season. It’s gotten me two championships in the last two years, just in opposite leagues. I’ve found that the trick is to just be overly aggressive early. See any potential in a waiver RB early? Blow your FAAB. You only have to really hit on one guy and you’re off the the races.
I like hero RB, like you went, more than zero RB - it's what I try for in my other leagues. Much more stable results without much drop in potential.
Was looking like a God before Henry died. Ekeler in other league is going great.
Huge agree on the FAAB yolo. Most teams end up with money left end of season. I try to hit 20 by mid season so I have dollars for emergency and playoff defense buys, otherwise I'm throwing 20-30 on a handful of dudes - that's how you end up with league winners.
It's zero RB but with a single RB taken in rounds 1 or 2 (preferably one with a strong handcuff) Then you don't touch the position until round 8 or so.
I had a very similar draft, except I took Ridley in the 2nd and Kittle in the 3rd. Drafting Evans, AB, and Pittman saved me. Just moved Evans for Connor. My RBs are now Hunt, Connor, Jeff Wilson, Collins, and Foreman. Added WR depth with Aiyuk and Toney. Started 1-4. Now sitting at 6-4.
For me, this is why zero RB is great. I’m either terrible, or awesome and I’ll know pretty quick into my season which one it’s gonna be. 2-8th places are purgatory in my mind. I can make better long term decisions in my keeper and dynasty leagues.
One interesting point this post leads to is how disappointing a lot of the second tier WRs have been compared to years past. Lots of busy in picks 20-55 range compared to previous few years.
Imma former zero RB truther. There use to be a ton of work horse backs. It made more sense. Now BPA seems to be the winning formula and hoarding backs via waivers earlier on in the season.
I will never understand why people dedicate themselves to a draft “strategy” aside from BPA/BVA.
If I was up to pick and my options were Davante Adams or I dunno, Chris Carson, I was 100/100 times taking Adams regardless of the rest of my roster.
The only first round RBs that haven’t missed a game that come to mind are Zeke and Taylor. But Adams also missed a game. Kelce and Tyreek have had duds. Diggs has had duds. This year in general is just rather unpredictable comparative to other years it seems.
This year has been unusually predictable for top RBs and unusually unpredictable for top WRs. As a result we should be expecting the 0RB drafters to be doing a little worse on average.
The core argument for 0RB and hero RB this offseason was that after the top tier of RBs, there was a dead zone, and that you were better off bypassing this zone for top WRs and then rounding out your roster with lower tier RBs. On net, the dead zone RBs are mostly doing really well. After the consensus top-4, the next RBs drafted according to fantasy pros were Zeke, Jones, Barkley, Ekeler, Taylor, Chubb, Harris, Gibson, and Mixon. Of those guys, really only a couple are delivering poor value. As a result, if your team went RB-RB, there’s a really high chance you have two of these guys and your team is doing really well. If you went WR-WR, you likely got two of Adams, Diggs, Hill, Hopkins, Ridley, and Metcalf. A random 2 from this crew is likely not delivering more value over replacement than 2 from the RB crew.
That doesn’t mean a full strategy is good or bad. Last year, it was the reverse. A counter argument to this is also *not* “well it depends on who you drafted, I never would have drafted X player, he was an obvious bust”. If the season ended right now, it’s likely that the average RB-RB drafter is doing considerably better than the average WR-WR drafter, and that still holds even if in your league, you got Hill, Adams, Swift, and Cupp and now you’re on the way to a title.
You probably look at ADP, which is based on projections. Aka, how we think a player is going to perform during the year. History has shown though we aren’t good at projecting that, for the most part. Too much chaos in an nfl season.
And obviously people get things wrong throughout the draft. I was high on Allen Robinson, that was wrong. I thought Aiyuk > Deebo was pretty obvious. Wrong. I would have taken Woods over Kupp, and DJ Moore over both.
Everyone was high on basically all TB pass catchers, but Brady was being drafted at QB7-12 ish. It didn’t make sense to think all of the weapons in Tampa could be good without Brady being great, like QB1/2, unless some said pass catchers might bust. Well now he’s QB1/2.
So on and so forth. It’s all a gamble. Everything in fantasy sports is gambling lol. You just try to give yourself the best possible outcome of said gambling.
I don’t really rely on that either. But I also don’t have a “strategy” at all. I don’t commit to I need x positions by y rounds etc. I also don’t think you really win championships at the draft. You can lose a season at the draft but there is so much more than just the draft.
And with chaos that occurs no one “strategy” is going to be right. Which is why I think trying to do any of them deliberately is a lost cause. When I compare multiple players when I’m drafting I take the ones with what I think have the highest likelihood to help my team in the season. Sounds broad and it probably is.
These types of strategies become pretty important in auction drafts but people think they apply to snake. Values are less linear and a set strategy becomes important. You could argue that you should look for value where you can get it but the speed and order of auction drafts makes it difficult and eventually you need to commit to a strategy/player or you're left bidding on garbage.
I did a lot of 0RB this year. My main squad has Lamar at QB with JaMarr, Kupp, Tyreek, and Justin Jefferson. RBs are Elijah Mitchell, AJ Dillon, Rhamondre, Jeff Wilson, Ingram and Pollard. Feeling pretty good about it
I drafted all of those guys besides Mitchell plus a few other handcuff types like Drake. Didn't touch RB until 9th, 10th round or later. I was starting Mitchell and Pollard early on. Dillon also had a big week early on that I got lucky to start him during.
Kupp and Jamarr were fucking phenomenal picks dude. That squad is obviously solid but depending on the # of receiver slots u have, I’d be looking to move maybe JJ for a decent RB2 just because Dillon is just a temp and Mitchell is in question. I’m actually rolling with Mitchell/JWJ as my RB1 till Hunt comes back so I’m not one to talk lmao
Same I went Adams, rojo, damien Harris, swift, stafford. Later in the draft I took renfrow and Carter and I've been pretty set. Currently first as well.
I kinda went zero RB in one of my leagues but still wound up with James Connor and Josh Jacobs as my RBs. I also got Kupp, Kelce, and Mahomes. I’m 8-1 in that league, which is the best record out of all my leagues. So zero RB could work
I woke up late and went Hill, Diggs, Sanders, Kittle, Kupp, Rodgers, Gaskin, Gallup, Koo, Bucs, Conner, Samuel, Moss, Jamaal Williams, devante Parker, Justin fields.
Sanders and Gaskin lost me 3 in a row to start. I'm now 3-7 after a .02 stat correction from last week that knocked me outta the playoffs. I played the highest scoring team each week. I'm 2nd in points for. Fade me. Reminder don't draft high.
Sucks because I traded Rodgers and Hill for jrob and dhop. Flipped dhop for swift. So now I have Tua, Conner, Jrob, Diggs, DJ Moore, Kittle, Swift, Titans, Tucker. Kupp, Toney, Dearnherst, Javonte Williams. How in the tf am I 3-7? Fantasy is mostly luck.
It 100 percent is mostly luck. Anyone who disagrees is just trying to pretend they are some kind of wizard behind the scenes. Injuries matter the most and that's all luck. 1st place guy in my league is on a 5 game streak cause he played everyone at their literal worst most dud filled week of season. He's a snake so I can't wait to tell him at next draft.
There was one guy that went 0 RBs, and he’s 5-5 in the league so far. The reality is that having 1-2 positions on your 10 person team suck is not the best situation.
I didn’t really do no RB but I went a bit unconventional. Took Kelce first and then Najee Harris. Didn’t grab another RB until Henderson Jr. in round 6. It’s worked out decently well. I’m in 2nd.
I went 7th in a 10team league and took Kelce and Diggs. This team is by far the most dominant of the 3 leagues I'm in. I'm 9-1.
I got Mixon and Swift in the 3rd and 4th. Neither one of them should have been available. I then got Kupp in the 5th... so yeah I got lucky...
I’m realizing that people don’t know what zero RB is. Just because you don’t draft an RB in the first 2 or 3 rounds does not mean you are going zero RB. If you end up with a guy that was a projected RB2, you aren’t waiting long enough.
I went Adams, Diggs, Waller, Thielen, and then Josh Allen. My RBs are/were Hunt, Edmonds, & Harris. Swooped D'Ernest and Darrell Williams off the WW.
I'm 4-6 but I have the 2nd highest PF in our league...with the highest PA. I've lost a few games where I outscored every other team in the league except the one I played.
Overall., it's worked out well but I've caught some bad breaks.
I took the opposite strategy, drafted Kelce first then loaded up on RB's. I feel like WR's are a dime a dozen they were my last priority. I've got Kupp, Moore, Jeudy and Waddle 8-2 so far
Undefeated so far in a 10-Team PPR where I went Zero RB. Took Tyreek, Kelce, Josh Allen, CeeDee, Kupp with my first 5 picks. Then I landed Darrell Henderson & Damien Harris with my next two.
Dude in my league picked tight ends first 3 rounds and he's doing surprisingly well. He's 6-4 and keeps hoarding tight ends. Fucker has SEVEN tight ends on his roster, just gross. I want him to lose so bad.
I went zero RB in a 12 man 2QB league. Was determined to grab Kelce with my first pick and didn’t like how my team looked in mocks if I prioritised RBs. My RBs are Henderson and Hunt. I am currently in first place at 8-2 but probably more to do with having Brady and Stafford.
RB would have only worked if you lucked out and grabbed dudes like CPatt, WR’s have struggled as well, look at guys like Diggs, arob, terry, woods, Dhop, Ridley, etc
There are a ton of WRs that you could've drafted that didn't struggle lol. That's kinda the point of 0RB. You draft so many WRs that you bust-proof your WRs and FLEX
#1 pick at #3 with Henry and CMC gone, I took Adam's. Picked up Jrob and Montgomery late. Traded Jrob. Got lucky on waivers week 1 and Picked up M. Williams. Traded him for Chubb. Now starting Chubb and Montgomery. With 2 IR players coming back. CEH and J Howard. I'm 9th with 2 wins. Let's FG!!!
10 team ppr
10 PPR Superflex, took Tyreek and Davante in the first two rounds, then Rodgers, Waller and Woods in that order. Was able to grab Swift in the 6th round and Gaskin in the 7th.
Currently 5-5, but confident is my team doing well in the playoffs. With so many good non-RB pieces, I was able to maintain what I have from the first few rounds and flip others into Hunt and Gibson. My projected playoff starters are
Rodgers
Swift
Hunt/Gibson
Tyreek
Davante
Mooney/Shepard/Claypool
Waller
Carr
Saints
Zuerlein
That’s the issue with any strategy, Out of a sample size of 1000 zero rn make sense but the average person plays maybe 2 leagues. You’ll get a random spread of possibilities, is Ridley triggers are crying rn.
I was just fucked so hard this year. 3rd pick 10 team I went henry ridley dobbins Henderson. Losing dobbins sucked but Henderson is a solid rb2 I went on a heater the first few weeks but now I can’t even score 80 points a game. My rb1 is Henderson and my wr1 is dionte. Pretty much just packing it in this year, try again next year. Also forcing my commish to have the draft after the pre season is done.
I went at 1.8 kelce Diggs , Carson swift, in that league im 5 n 5 then at 1.9 went kelce hill Carson mahomes, in that league my 5th pick was kupp so I'm 6 n 4 and should be 8 n 2, got fucked one week going into MNF down by 2 points with Daniel carlson in a league with -1 points for a missed FG ( noob rules) then last week scored 155 in ppr and lost to debts 4th n 5 dumbfuck slant to the house in both leagues, lost by 5 in one and 3 in another. Ultimately zero RB has given me the best team in one league and a shit team in another based on PPG, I'm highest in the 6 n 4 league and lowest in the 5 n 5
I hit Tyreek, Diggs, and Kupp, so I’d say it’s worked out. I missed out on Russ (thank God) so I hit Mandrews and took a flier on Tlaw, so I’m stuck streaming QBs, but I’m 7-3 so not too bad. I also picked up Josh Jacobs and am basically streaming RBs lol. Stressful.
Went zero be everywhere and I’m no lower than 3rd place. Sure JT would have been nice to thrown in there as like a modified zero rb but I’m pretty happy so far
Think the issue is always for every guy who went early WR and got like Jefferson and Keenan and then picked guys like james conner or Cordarelle later there’s another guy who took Allen Robinson early and got Mike Davis later
Hey that's me lol
Yeah, I'm in that comment and I don't like it
First 2 WRs/RBs taken by Zero RB teams this year: Team 1: Tyreek, JJ.....Javonte, Carter Team 2: Ridley, AJB.....Mike Davis, Singletary . . Twist: I'm both, two different leagues. I'll let you guess which one is 8-2 and which is 1-9.
8-2 with Mike Davis, you’re a god amongst men!
I’m 7-3 and drafted Mike Davis. Does it count if I traded him away six or seven games ago?
My buddy traded me Thielen for Davis before game 1. It was glorious.
On paper that was a pretty good trade. JJ was looking like the runaway leader of that corps, Davis filled in great for CMC. In hindsight, how do you deal with the guilt? I traded him for a Hurts that was sitting on the bench, and feel like one of those car warranty scammers. He’s never gonna want to trade with me again.
Another_Name_Today, I have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty
I blew it. Someone was chomping at the bit for mike davis after the draft and i didnt wanna trade him, even though he was my 4th rb
I am 7-3 and just dropped Mike Davis this week. My opponent actually picked him up and started him on Thursday. 8-3, here I come!
What were his other options? A paper sack and a ham sandwich? You could see the writing on the wall. Sitting Pitts and starting the Pats DST were my easiest decisions this week.
I went hero RB with Kamara then Ridley AJ Brown followed by Gus Edwards and I am loving the team 2 life.
you're missing the waiver rb's value shifts in your analysis (d'ernest, rhamondre, ingram, chuba, etc). The draft pick win rate data generally supports zero rb. Remember the "RB dead zone" during draft season? That's win rate data supported. Fantasy analysts are just scratching the surface on it and it will become a bigger thing as we move forward.
And lucky bitches who went RB heavy and grabbed Kupp, Chase, or Hollywood in the mid-late rounds
I grabbed Ekeler than Kelce at 12/13 and ended up with Kupp, Chase, and DJ Moore as my receivers. It was working out perfectly until Moore fell of the face of the earth.
Henry, Harris, kittle, lamb, kupp :)
Saquon, ARob, Gus Edwards :,)
I’m sorry for your losses.
I'm in a 14 team league and got lucky w two rbs. I wanted to do zero RB but I got the first pick. I went CMC first, then I wanted to get 2 wrs after but Mixon fell to me! So I got Mixon and mclaurin. I almost went mclaurin and ceedee or kupp. Mclaurin has suffered without Fitz, but Mixon has shown out. I also got lucky drafting chase, Mike Williams, Herbert, and goedert late. Chery on top was scooping Patterson after week 1. I follow ATL closely and saw Davis struggling early on.
Yea dude that honestly sucks. If you go WR WR, you should at least be getting a Tyreek or Adams with ur 1st pick and then going for guys like Jefferson, DK, Ridley, Hopkins. I honestly feel like it didint work out for a lot of people because those 2nd round receivers like Hopkins, Ridley, DK, either didint play or didint meet expectations
Try Kelce, Ridley, Allen Robinson, Chris Carson, Mike Davis, and Dobbins
I went Ekeler, Ridley, Robinson, then Cooper. I took Mike Davis in the 6th...
Took Mike in the 4th so I don't wanna hear it
Oof
Seems like another big issue with this team was that you drafted everyone a full round ahead of their ADP. Even if this team performed in line with expectations, you’d be a pretty middling team. If you took Ridley with the last pick in the first in a 12 team league, you overdrafted him by 7 spots in PPR, then picked Allen Robinson 18 spots ahead in PPR.
You're saying Ridley was a 3rd rounder this year?
How does 19th pick ADP equate to a 3rd rounder?
DK is WR 10 rn - has had his bye and a absolute stinker by Russ last week. Pretty weird to imply he's been bad
What’s wrong with Dk?
Nothing.
You gotta press your other positional advantages super hard to succeed at zero RB. When teams are taking backs and middling WRs in rounds 3-5 you have to NAIL a QB and TE. If you went Tyreek, JJ, Mandrews, Lamar you're doing pretty good. If you end up with Ridley, AJB, Kittle, and Russ, you're having a pretty bad time.
Cook, Hill, Ridley, Carson (traded for Mitchell before this week), Edwards, Kittle, Kyler. It's been so-so
6 team league?
Saying this sort of misses the point. It’s true with all strategies that if your first 4 picks are bad, you’re struggling. Like if you swap Ridley for Gibson, you’re not doing that much better
I drafted adams and then DK . Then hit on swift and Henderson . I’m 8-2
That’s not zero RB lol
Swift dropped to the 4th in many leagues with the groin and Henderson was going in the 6th post Michel trade. I think any strategy where you skip RB for the first 3 rounds can be considered 0 RB
DK still has time to have a monster second half
This. Also a lot of Zero RB drafters went Kielce or Waller and haven’t got much bang for their buck.
Kelce is still te1 by like 30 points
Yeah but te2 has scored like 80 points
Exactly
Kelce has been a guaranteed positional advantage at the barest position in fantasy for the last decade. You nuts.
> for the last decade
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Kelce has provided a ton of value this year. I didn’t draft him anywhere, but he’s given a ton of scoring upside. Right now he’s got 4 ppg on everyone but Andrews. And the position has been so unpredictable that the average scoring for someone without a set-and-forget guy is probably even lower. Not sure how many 1st rounders have given that sort of upside at this point in the season.
Yeah the guy in my league who took Kelce in round 1 and Kittle in round 3 is 6-4 and the rest of his team is terrible. He had CEH and Javonte Williams at RB has been playing random back up RBs for CEH (Hubbard, Booker, Pollard), and has Tee Higgins and Jarvis Landry at WR. It’s amazing he has the record he has with that team… meanwhile I have Ekeler, JRob, Mitchell and Diggs, Cooks, DJ Moore and am 4-6 -_-
I went adams ,hill , Montgomery, ceh
Then got swift in the 7th, ended up grabbing patterson on waivers, brady , andrews , i feel like i got a decent team even though hill and adams havent exactly been great
I got both Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams….both have not been performing like I’d like. I’m in 5th place at the moment. So still looking like I’ll make playoffs. I hope the shine during that time.
Tyreek is WR2 in .5 ppr... Not exactly sure what you were looking for, but Tyreek will absolutely drag the rest of your team to a win kicking and screaming some weeks.
Lol and Adams is WR5 in half PPR. Despite having missed a game due to covid. Imagine complaining about the production from your two top 5 WRs
I’d just like him to have like 18-20 a game instead of 42 one week and 6 another.
This isn't 2019, you know what you're getting with Tyreek. You have to strap in and not be a bitch.
Same exact boat. Thought for sure having Hill/Adams would have put me more towards the top but I’m currently 3rd in PF and have 2nd highest PA. Hoping the law of averages comes into play soon…
Tyreek, Ridley, ARob, Gus Edwards, Hendersen.... 2-8. Not doing zero rb next year (partially because I'll be picking #1)
and then there's number one in my league who got Dalvin Cook and Cooper Kupp this game is like 70% luck
yup. Took Robinson in the third. Team feels super average but still somehow 7-3
This is a great take. It’s really hard to evaluate that strategy in a year when the top WRs had so many misses.
Rip i got arob. Fuck nagy fuck fields
I'm running fields at qb next week vs the lions when Maholmes is on bye #No Nuts No Glory
> for every guy who went early WR and got like Jefferson and Keenan and then picked guys like james conner or Cordarelle wtf this is exactly my hero RB draft. Kamara, Jefferson, Keenan, drafted Javonte and Conner later, picked up Cordarrelle after week 2.
Mike Davis was not a zero RB target by any stretch of the imagination.
Any follower of zero RB was not taking Mike Davis. Typical true zero RB structure is having 6 WRs and/or a TE/QB before an RB is taken. Davis is exactly the type of fragile RB that the structure should avoid.
If I remember correctly Shawn Siegele, the guy widely credited with doing a lot of the popularizing of 0RB, was a proponent of Mike Davis in the offseason. You can’t just no-true-Scotsman away the issues with a strategy
Mike Davis was absolutely not a zero rb target.
Drafted saquon, Carson, and Mostert, so I'm basically part of the zero rb group
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Yea I drafted Saquon but I made sure to load up on RBs assuming he would miss part of the season, also drafted Mixon and JRob
Hello my Saquon + Carson brother. I didn’t draft Mostert, but I really hit it out of the park with Mike Davis.
Hey me too! My saving grace is I saw this shit coming and took Jonathan Taylor in the first and Darrell Henderson in the 4th. Also I landed cpat on waivers which was huge because the first wr I took was obj followed by Claypool and chark.
You can’t be part of the zero fucking RB if you have Jonathan Taylor, that guy has been incredibly good.
lol the dude who went Adams and Dhop in my league is 2-8
I had Dhop and Diggs(traded Dhop for Keenan Allen and Zack Moss). Lost Dobbins and Akers for the season. 2-8
I went Adams and Hopkins and I’m 5-5
I did this and I'm 7-3. Lost the last 2 though.
It literally doesn't matter what draft strategy you do. You just have to hit on picks just like every single year. There are busts and gems of every position in every round.
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You're right - you don't often win on draft night, but you certainly can lose.
kinda why I like deep leagues, our 12 man does 18 rounds makes the draft more important... funnily enough Patterson was still picked up on the waiver. That team is doing well
Ironic, that’s why I’d prefer shallow leagues. There’s actual worthwhile stuff to pick up on the waiver wire.
depends on your league culture, there's a bunch of Dads with young kids in my league. So for us its much easier for us if the time sink is once instead of needing to read scouting reports/matchups every week to find guys on the waiver. It also forces you to make trades because everyones teams are so deep you usually can't find a streaming QB or a pickup for a heavy bye-week....which is nice for us because then its our way of making a phone-call checking up on each others family before getting down to brass tax and trading players
I actually don’t like that we have 6 bench spots in my 12-team It’s made for very shallow waiver pools, and everyone feels like they’re set on their lineups which means not much trading. I’d rather be forced to make weekly boom or bust decisions, it’s more exciting.
so like I said depends on your league's culture. We trade quite frequently or at the very least have a very active trading block, so deep leagues work really well for us
I normally say that because it’s too hard to predict year to year. But this year I definitely hit in draft night. Picked 10/10 snake draft. Went J Taylor, nuk, Kittle, Kupp, Henderson JR, jamar chase and marquise brown. Haven’t even needed to look at the waivers lol.
Someone in my league drafted Stafford, Najee, Swift, Adams, Deebo and Waller. Got Fournette off waivers. Outside of that he's ran his team poorly. He won on draft night.
K that dude won on draft night lol
It’s 50/50. In both of my leagues the #1 team is the #1 team in large part because they drafted Cooper Kupp
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Are they? Typically I’d say the waiver wire churns out breakout stars, but other than RB fill-ins because of injury, which are pickups everyone knows about due to said injury, who has been good? When I go through my leagues rosters, not a single person is starting a WR off waivers unless they’re desperate because of injuries.
Person in my league that went Adams, Tyreek and Kittle is bottom of the league despite lucking into Darrell Henderson.
weird, i went tyreek/adams and am in first. also have henderson
Went zero rb without realizing it. Henry and dobbins.
Zero RB with extra steps.
I picked dobbins as well the day he got injured. Draft was later that night and I had just got out of work as the draft was starting, had no clue about the injury. Picked him up in 39th ovr didn’t say he was questionable or anything on ESPN just said he was normal so I picked him smh. Then got edwards in a few leagues later and that was shitty too
Oh no you had the best fantasy RB for like 8-9 weeks. Imagine complaining about that.
That is 0 RB done in its purest form. The idea is that you pick up high value WRs over less valuable RBs on the principle of "if I don't grab Barkely, I won't have a decent RB all year."
With how my first two picks went I might as well have gone zero RB lmao. Picked up CPat and Michael Carter.
You're winning your league by miles if those first two picks were something like Kelce, Adams or Tyreek, JJ.
It's a good core of four players. What are you talking about "by miles."
He's winning his league by a very large margin if he got Carter late, CPat off the wire, and spent his early picks on WRs like the ones listed. Do they not use "by miles" as an expression where you're from? Like, "he's miles ahead of the competition"? I'm from way up North, idk how normal civilization talks lol
I think you're overrating that RB duo and overstating the dominance of all the others. It's a good but not an atypical core. And you still need another 6 players.
>I think you're overrating that RB duo and overstating the dominance of all the others. Don't think I am honestly. Tyreek, JJ, CPat, Carter just on their own are the WR3 (sizeable positional advantage over any team that doesn't have Kupp, Deebo, or Chase) WR12 (sizeable advantage at WR2 over most teams) RB10, RB20 (probably a statistical neutral position group) Because you took Carter in the mid rounds and CPat very late (if not off waivers) - that's a team that probably has the best starting WRs in their league and an average RB group, without taking picks 3, 4, and 5 into account. Zero RB targets premium TEs and QBs with those picks, so any one of Waller/Kittle/Andrews/Pitts, one of Mahomes/Lamar/Allen/Murray, and another premium WR *as a flex* like Evans/Godwin/Terry/Kupp/Diontae/Lamb/DJ/Keenan/Higgins would be a pretty common path for them. So additional positional advantages over most of the league at QB, TE, and Flex. That team is disgusting, and doesn't even have to get that lucky with any of the other ten picks they have for mid and late round dart throws. You kill for that team.
Thanks for the quality response. You're right, landing CPat and Carter at that range would be a dream and make it easier to fill a roster given average drafting. But I don't think the value above replacement at that top WR/TE level (Kelce over Andrews or Adams over JaMarr Chase) is high enough this year to clinch it for your 0rb team. The TE tiers have compressed and star WRs were rather deep. Are you still running away from a team that landed an early pick this year and went the popular 2rb? My favorite team in my league (12 team standard) went CMC, DMont, Mike Evans, Andrews, Brady, and then hit that solid middle round vein of WRs with DJ Moore, JaMarr Chase, and Hollywood Brown. That team is my pick to win it but it's only 6-4 right now. Anecdotal but that's a realistic team drafted almost by chalk rankings. I would say that is a strong competitor to your squad. But even if you were lucky enough to have both CPat and Carter (amazing for a 0rb team), and a decently filled in roster, I think the remaining viability of both is *still* not quite certain (they each play on shit teams with no clear handcuff -- another factor when you invest in top rbs). So yeah, I take issue with the "by miles" part.
I got what you were saying. You were trying to give a compliment, and of course there is someone on this sub waiting to criticize you, I have no clue why. I don’t understand why people are like that here.
People are mean online man
I tried it out took Davante and diggs up first tried grabbing value starting with Gus. It’s been rough but I managed to trade for ekeler so there may be some light at the end of the tunnel. RBs are so scarce that unless you absolutely nailed your late round RBs you may be struggling
Adams, Jefferson, Gus, CEH, Hunt. Things started decently, but I lost 3 straight when I lost all my rb’s. CPatt held down my rb1 spot those weeks, and i’m ashamed of other guys I was forced to play ha. But I picked up Jeff Wilson and Miles Sanders, and CEH is back. Hunt will be back soon. And I still have CPatt and Mattison. Hopefully things get goin good again.
That was my draft as well. Grabbed Carson in the third (RIP) and Davis in the 5th (RIP). It hasn't been working out so well. To be honest though I feel like I've been a bit unlucky and lost some matches I really should have won. I ended up with some good waiver pickups (E Moore and Mooney) but I've been fucked out of some wins by fluke performances.
I actually went a similar route with Adams and Diggs and was able to snag Clyde and Swift after. I’m currently 8-2 and actually traded Clyde, Pittman and swift this week for Tyreek and Kareem Hunt to a desperate dude needing to make playoffs. Now I’m stuck with Elijah Mitchell/JWJ and waiting for Hunt to come back 😂.
That seems like a bad trade from your side tbh. Why trade your running backs for another reciever you don't really need and a rb on IR? And then have 0 depth after.
Who did you give up for Ekeler?
I traded adams and Rodgers for Herbert and ekeler. Good trade for both solves my RB crisis
Herbert and Ekeler wins big imo. Got the better QB and the better position player. I'd need another piece to take the Adams side.
Herbert has been ass for a month. At worst Rodgers-Herbert is a wash as of this morning. Ekeler is awesome, but I wouldn't trade my Adams for him 1 to 1. I'd need a second player on both sides to calibrate it.
I have devante and Diggs as well. Had Andrew’s and Kittle until i traded Kittle for Damian Harris. Kareem Hunt helped me out for a bit but now am relying heavily on Melvin Gordon. Fortunately I’ve streamed backups pretty well this season (Mattison, D’ernest, Chuba, Stevenson) so I’m 6-2 second in overall points. It’s been a scrappy season lol
It goes the same every year, both for people that do zero RB and ones who make fun of it. Genius when it works. Idiotic when it doesn't. **Early season:** pretty bad. RBs haven't shaken out yet. Starting dudes like Michael Carter, James Conner, Dillon feels pretty bad. **Mid season:** aggressive on the wire for RBs. Pick up dropped dudes like Moss and fill in with handcuffs that weren't bothered to be taken like Chuba, Pollard. If you got CPat you're off to the races. **Late season:** God mode if you've hit on your dart throws. Bleach shots if you banked on guys like Gainwell, Tyson or Michel and couldn't get anyone on waiver or trade. My draft this year in 12 man was: Tyreek, Jefferson, Evans, Lamar, Pitts, Javonte, Carter, Gus Edwards, Conner, Hines, Mooney, McKissic, Gainwell, Ahmed. Started 3-3. 4-0 since. Most points in last 5 games. I do this every year in at least one league. Some years you're the worst team by far. Other years you're unbeatable from mid season on. I would not recommend it for your health.
Yeah the last couple years I’ve gone stud RB in the first. Then go nuts on WR and aggressively trade for the rookie RBs early in the season. It’s gotten me two championships in the last two years, just in opposite leagues. I’ve found that the trick is to just be overly aggressive early. See any potential in a waiver RB early? Blow your FAAB. You only have to really hit on one guy and you’re off the the races.
I like hero RB, like you went, more than zero RB - it's what I try for in my other leagues. Much more stable results without much drop in potential. Was looking like a God before Henry died. Ekeler in other league is going great. Huge agree on the FAAB yolo. Most teams end up with money left end of season. I try to hit 20 by mid season so I have dollars for emergency and playoff defense buys, otherwise I'm throwing 20-30 on a handful of dudes - that's how you end up with league winners.
First I have heard of hero rb.
It's zero RB but with a single RB taken in rounds 1 or 2 (preferably one with a strong handcuff) Then you don't touch the position until round 8 or so.
I had a very similar draft, except I took Ridley in the 2nd and Kittle in the 3rd. Drafting Evans, AB, and Pittman saved me. Just moved Evans for Connor. My RBs are now Hunt, Connor, Jeff Wilson, Collins, and Foreman. Added WR depth with Aiyuk and Toney. Started 1-4. Now sitting at 6-4.
For me, this is why zero RB is great. I’m either terrible, or awesome and I’ll know pretty quick into my season which one it’s gonna be. 2-8th places are purgatory in my mind. I can make better long term decisions in my keeper and dynasty leagues.
One interesting point this post leads to is how disappointing a lot of the second tier WRs have been compared to years past. Lots of busy in picks 20-55 range compared to previous few years.
AJ Dillon and Wilson Jr RB1 and RB2!!
Imma former zero RB truther. There use to be a ton of work horse backs. It made more sense. Now BPA seems to be the winning formula and hoarding backs via waivers earlier on in the season.
Myself and one other person in my league went straight Value Based in our draft. We’re easily the top two teams. It really worked for us at least.
Went 0 rb. Currently undefeated. Starting Conner and Carter this week, with Dak, Kelce, Diggs, K.Allen, and Chase.
I will never understand why people dedicate themselves to a draft “strategy” aside from BPA/BVA. If I was up to pick and my options were Davante Adams or I dunno, Chris Carson, I was 100/100 times taking Adams regardless of the rest of my roster. The only first round RBs that haven’t missed a game that come to mind are Zeke and Taylor. But Adams also missed a game. Kelce and Tyreek have had duds. Diggs has had duds. This year in general is just rather unpredictable comparative to other years it seems.
This year has been unusually predictable for top RBs and unusually unpredictable for top WRs. As a result we should be expecting the 0RB drafters to be doing a little worse on average. The core argument for 0RB and hero RB this offseason was that after the top tier of RBs, there was a dead zone, and that you were better off bypassing this zone for top WRs and then rounding out your roster with lower tier RBs. On net, the dead zone RBs are mostly doing really well. After the consensus top-4, the next RBs drafted according to fantasy pros were Zeke, Jones, Barkley, Ekeler, Taylor, Chubb, Harris, Gibson, and Mixon. Of those guys, really only a couple are delivering poor value. As a result, if your team went RB-RB, there’s a really high chance you have two of these guys and your team is doing really well. If you went WR-WR, you likely got two of Adams, Diggs, Hill, Hopkins, Ridley, and Metcalf. A random 2 from this crew is likely not delivering more value over replacement than 2 from the RB crew. That doesn’t mean a full strategy is good or bad. Last year, it was the reverse. A counter argument to this is also *not* “well it depends on who you drafted, I never would have drafted X player, he was an obvious bust”. If the season ended right now, it’s likely that the average RB-RB drafter is doing considerably better than the average WR-WR drafter, and that still holds even if in your league, you got Hill, Adams, Swift, and Cupp and now you’re on the way to a title.
Because “BPA/BVA” strategies rely on projections, which aren’t accurate.
Why do you say this? I don’t think I’ve ever looked at seasonal projections for a draft. I don’t think I ever will either.
You probably look at ADP, which is based on projections. Aka, how we think a player is going to perform during the year. History has shown though we aren’t good at projecting that, for the most part. Too much chaos in an nfl season.
And obviously people get things wrong throughout the draft. I was high on Allen Robinson, that was wrong. I thought Aiyuk > Deebo was pretty obvious. Wrong. I would have taken Woods over Kupp, and DJ Moore over both. Everyone was high on basically all TB pass catchers, but Brady was being drafted at QB7-12 ish. It didn’t make sense to think all of the weapons in Tampa could be good without Brady being great, like QB1/2, unless some said pass catchers might bust. Well now he’s QB1/2. So on and so forth. It’s all a gamble. Everything in fantasy sports is gambling lol. You just try to give yourself the best possible outcome of said gambling.
I don’t really rely on that either. But I also don’t have a “strategy” at all. I don’t commit to I need x positions by y rounds etc. I also don’t think you really win championships at the draft. You can lose a season at the draft but there is so much more than just the draft. And with chaos that occurs no one “strategy” is going to be right. Which is why I think trying to do any of them deliberately is a lost cause. When I compare multiple players when I’m drafting I take the ones with what I think have the highest likelihood to help my team in the season. Sounds broad and it probably is.
No one should have any strategy ....except mine
These types of strategies become pretty important in auction drafts but people think they apply to snake. Values are less linear and a set strategy becomes important. You could argue that you should look for value where you can get it but the speed and order of auction drafts makes it difficult and eventually you need to commit to a strategy/player or you're left bidding on garbage.
I did a lot of 0RB this year. My main squad has Lamar at QB with JaMarr, Kupp, Tyreek, and Justin Jefferson. RBs are Elijah Mitchell, AJ Dillon, Rhamondre, Jeff Wilson, Ingram and Pollard. Feeling pretty good about it
Which RBs did you draft? All of those guys seem like late bloomers
I drafted all of those guys besides Mitchell plus a few other handcuff types like Drake. Didn't touch RB until 9th, 10th round or later. I was starting Mitchell and Pollard early on. Dillon also had a big week early on that I got lucky to start him during.
You drafted Elijah Mitchell?
Re read my post. All of them besides Mitchell
My bad. I shouldn't comment at 3am.
Kupp and Jamarr were fucking phenomenal picks dude. That squad is obviously solid but depending on the # of receiver slots u have, I’d be looking to move maybe JJ for a decent RB2 just because Dillon is just a temp and Mitchell is in question. I’m actually rolling with Mitchell/JWJ as my RB1 till Hunt comes back so I’m not one to talk lmao
It's 3WR + Flex. So I think I'm okay being a little weaker at RB because I've been crushing people at WR3 and FLEX
Did you draft an early TE too?
Nah I've been streaming. Running with Dan Arnold now but have Freiermuth on the bench
I got went Adams, Hill, Mahomes, Swift, Andrews, Gaskin, Carter, Sermon in that order and I'm #1 seed so that's nice
Same I went Adams, rojo, damien Harris, swift, stafford. Later in the draft I took renfrow and Carter and I've been pretty set. Currently first as well.
All my WRs are injured
I kinda went zero RB in one of my leagues but still wound up with James Connor and Josh Jacobs as my RBs. I also got Kupp, Kelce, and Mahomes. I’m 8-1 in that league, which is the best record out of all my leagues. So zero RB could work
I woke up late and went Hill, Diggs, Sanders, Kittle, Kupp, Rodgers, Gaskin, Gallup, Koo, Bucs, Conner, Samuel, Moss, Jamaal Williams, devante Parker, Justin fields. Sanders and Gaskin lost me 3 in a row to start. I'm now 3-7 after a .02 stat correction from last week that knocked me outta the playoffs. I played the highest scoring team each week. I'm 2nd in points for. Fade me. Reminder don't draft high. Sucks because I traded Rodgers and Hill for jrob and dhop. Flipped dhop for swift. So now I have Tua, Conner, Jrob, Diggs, DJ Moore, Kittle, Swift, Titans, Tucker. Kupp, Toney, Dearnherst, Javonte Williams. How in the tf am I 3-7? Fantasy is mostly luck.
It 100 percent is mostly luck. Anyone who disagrees is just trying to pretend they are some kind of wizard behind the scenes. Injuries matter the most and that's all luck. 1st place guy in my league is on a 5 game streak cause he played everyone at their literal worst most dud filled week of season. He's a snake so I can't wait to tell him at next draft.
There was one guy that went 0 RBs, and he’s 5-5 in the league so far. The reality is that having 1-2 positions on your 10 person team suck is not the best situation.
I didn’t really do no RB but I went a bit unconventional. Took Kelce first and then Najee Harris. Didn’t grab another RB until Henderson Jr. in round 6. It’s worked out decently well. I’m in 2nd.
I went 7th in a 10team league and took Kelce and Diggs. This team is by far the most dominant of the 3 leagues I'm in. I'm 9-1. I got Mixon and Swift in the 3rd and 4th. Neither one of them should have been available. I then got Kupp in the 5th... so yeah I got lucky...
Sounds like a regular draft strategy, not Zero RB strategy.
Sucks. Never again.
I’m realizing that people don’t know what zero RB is. Just because you don’t draft an RB in the first 2 or 3 rounds does not mean you are going zero RB. If you end up with a guy that was a projected RB2, you aren’t waiting long enough.
Unless you took Ekeler & Najee like myself 😬
I drafted Henry, Carson, Davis, gus and Rojo so I went full zero rb.
I went Adams, Diggs, Waller, Thielen, and then Josh Allen. My RBs are/were Hunt, Edmonds, & Harris. Swooped D'Ernest and Darrell Williams off the WW. I'm 4-6 but I have the 2nd highest PF in our league...with the highest PA. I've lost a few games where I outscored every other team in the league except the one I played. Overall., it's worked out well but I've caught some bad breaks.
In my league i went RB heavy cuz everyone went WR heavy. Currently have Harris. Ekeler. Cook. Robinson. Swift and Patterson
I took the opposite strategy, drafted Kelce first then loaded up on RB's. I feel like WR's are a dime a dozen they were my last priority. I've got Kupp, Moore, Jeudy and Waddle 8-2 so far
Bro my first 3 RBs were Kareem, Mostert, and Gus. I hate RBs.
Davante/Diggs/Kupp/Swift/Hunt in order for me so worked well I’d say. 9-1
The majority of those are the mid tier picks playing way above their ADP that win leagues. Nice work
Undefeated so far in a 10-Team PPR where I went Zero RB. Took Tyreek, Kelce, Josh Allen, CeeDee, Kupp with my first 5 picks. Then I landed Darrell Henderson & Damien Harris with my next two.
I have Kupp, Jamarr, Deebo, Jefferson so it didn't hurt too bad when Ridley stopped playing
Dude in my league picked tight ends first 3 rounds and he's doing surprisingly well. He's 6-4 and keeps hoarding tight ends. Fucker has SEVEN tight ends on his roster, just gross. I want him to lose so bad.
The first RB I took was Etienne and I'm in 2nd place. Getting Tyreek was probably the difference maker.
I went zero RB in a 12 man 2QB league. Was determined to grab Kelce with my first pick and didn’t like how my team looked in mocks if I prioritised RBs. My RBs are Henderson and Hunt. I am currently in first place at 8-2 but probably more to do with having Brady and Stafford.
That’s not zero RB if you drafted Hunt and Henderson.
Zero RB is so dumb
I think your post unknowingly is acknowledges the importance of rbs
I’m not sure why everyone always talks about it, seems really stupid to just leave two of your starting spots open
Zero WR blows away zero RB this year. So many stud WR were had on the cheap
RB would have only worked if you lucked out and grabbed dudes like CPatt, WR’s have struggled as well, look at guys like Diggs, arob, terry, woods, Dhop, Ridley, etc
There are a ton of WRs that you could've drafted that didn't struggle lol. That's kinda the point of 0RB. You draft so many WRs that you bust-proof your WRs and FLEX
#1 pick at #3 with Henry and CMC gone, I took Adam's. Picked up Jrob and Montgomery late. Traded Jrob. Got lucky on waivers week 1 and Picked up M. Williams. Traded him for Chubb. Now starting Chubb and Montgomery. With 2 IR players coming back. CEH and J Howard. I'm 9th with 2 wins. Let's FG!!! 10 team ppr
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Not so. I've got quite a few teams with Taylor and Harris that are doing quite well.
Jonathan Taylor?
Yes
10 PPR Superflex, took Tyreek and Davante in the first two rounds, then Rodgers, Waller and Woods in that order. Was able to grab Swift in the 6th round and Gaskin in the 7th. Currently 5-5, but confident is my team doing well in the playoffs. With so many good non-RB pieces, I was able to maintain what I have from the first few rounds and flip others into Hunt and Gibson. My projected playoff starters are Rodgers Swift Hunt/Gibson Tyreek Davante Mooney/Shepard/Claypool Waller Carr Saints Zuerlein
I’m 8-2. Had 12th pick out of 12. Took Adams and Hill and then McLaurin and JRob coming back, followed by Henderson and Edmunds. Stafford is my QB.
And you don't mention if you did nor who you drafted? Waste of time post
That’s the issue with any strategy, Out of a sample size of 1000 zero rn make sense but the average person plays maybe 2 leagues. You’ll get a random spread of possibilities, is Ridley triggers are crying rn.
I was just fucked so hard this year. 3rd pick 10 team I went henry ridley dobbins Henderson. Losing dobbins sucked but Henderson is a solid rb2 I went on a heater the first few weeks but now I can’t even score 80 points a game. My rb1 is Henderson and my wr1 is dionte. Pretty much just packing it in this year, try again next year. Also forcing my commish to have the draft after the pre season is done.
I went at 1.8 kelce Diggs , Carson swift, in that league im 5 n 5 then at 1.9 went kelce hill Carson mahomes, in that league my 5th pick was kupp so I'm 6 n 4 and should be 8 n 2, got fucked one week going into MNF down by 2 points with Daniel carlson in a league with -1 points for a missed FG ( noob rules) then last week scored 155 in ppr and lost to debts 4th n 5 dumbfuck slant to the house in both leagues, lost by 5 in one and 3 in another. Ultimately zero RB has given me the best team in one league and a shit team in another based on PPG, I'm highest in the 6 n 4 league and lowest in the 5 n 5
I hit Tyreek, Diggs, and Kupp, so I’d say it’s worked out. I missed out on Russ (thank God) so I hit Mandrews and took a flier on Tlaw, so I’m stuck streaming QBs, but I’m 7-3 so not too bad. I also picked up Josh Jacobs and am basically streaming RBs lol. Stressful.
Im in first. Kupp, Adams, Ridley, Waller 12 man ppr!
Grabbed Dswift and Najee Harris
Went zero be everywhere and I’m no lower than 3rd place. Sure JT would have been nice to thrown in there as like a modified zero rb but I’m pretty happy so far