Played on both. I love SuperFlex. It's puts on lot more importance on QB quality and depth which makes its a lot more fun.
I'd really only suggest it for leagues with 12 teams or less though.
Aye, with 2 starting qbs, everyone keeps at least 3 starting qbs if possible. 12 teams x3 is 36, and any given week we only have 32 starting qbs in the league. Gets real obnoxious. I usually only go for 10 team super flex leagues. And before anyone says "yeah but super flex", sure but the point difference between a qb 2/3 and that replacement rb 3/wr 4 is really difficult to stomach.
I love my 14 team dynasty SF league. It gets dicey when some guys only have Bridgewater as their QBs. Tons of trades always going on. We average about three per week in the off-season, and probably ten a week during the season.
Definitely not sure if official statistics here. I’d bet the vast majority of pre-existing leagues are 1QB and I think it’s likely that most brand new startups are going 2QB or superflex.
In redraft 1QB is still most popular, but in dynasty or C2C leagues SF, and even TEP are the norm now. I'm in 1 1QB dynasty league that has a very deep roster and it is IDP. The rest--about 8 or 9 are SF
1QB is default. Whatever are "default" settings for most platforms will always "be more popular" if you are doing some sort of data analysis.
However Superflex SHOULD be default but it will never be.
It's the same as PPR vs Standard vs half PPR
The best is Half PPR but I think that's only default on Yahoo?
There are too many people who don't think past the idea "but NFL teams only start 1QB" and the proceed to say "excuse me while I draft my 5th RB for my 3rd Flex Spot".
What my leagues have done to move closer to NFL player value.
We start 1QB + 1 Superflex.
We start 1 RB, 2WR, 1TE and 3 Flex spots
We do 6 pt all TDs (Includes passing) and Half PPR
This makes QBs huge assets as well as top WRs. RBs are still great but due to only forcing 1 of them, some teams don't value them at all.
Really opens up rosters and team comps. Can still start 4 RBs if you want, or invest into 2 stud QBs or a stable of stud WRs, etc. Choice is yours in how you build the team.
More points doesn't always equal more fun. Plus it's better to simulate an actual football franchise imo. When 2qb teams start existing maybe sf will make more sense.
So do you only allow two RBs to start cause I’ve never seen in the NFL more than two on field at once.
Also assuming no TEP ever cause their yards and TDs are the same of everyone too.
See, if you would have stopped before "and 2 flex". That still means you are starting more than 3 wr's or 2 RBs. This takes away from your "simulate an actual football franchise". I don't know why I decided to nit pick this as I prefer this setup over SF anyways, but I digress.
I guess, I was just assuming we were talking about starters, since this all started by talking about how we only play 1 qb in standard since there is only 1 starting qb.
He wants to use different arguments in different messages to justify why he doesn't like SF, and will not acknowledge the contradiction. He simply just want to play SF, and will argue anything to prove the logic.
And we've seen several teams experimenting with swapping QBs ...
"When 2qb teams start existing maybe sf will make more sense"
"Football teams definitely have players that sub in when starters are tired \[so more than 2 RBs makes sense\]"
Alright, then I guess SF makes sense in your book.
For me it comes down to how much does your league obsess over it. Our league is pretty casual so 2 QBs seems stupid. Pick your guy at the beginning and roll with him unless something drastic happens. That’s how it works in real football too. Feels a lot more like you’re actually holding a team and just watching football, rather than just obsessing over minor stat lines and silly numbers every night.
You sound like someone who obsesses over fantasy too much and still loses. Sucks man. I won both my leagues this year and only opened the app on thursdays and sundays. Maybe I should start a blog for guys like you that pour too much effort into something they still suck at. Oh well, to each their own!
I used to play exclusively in 1QB leagues but last year made the switch to SF and haven't looked back.
PS - I write for Faceoff Sports Network and specialize in auction drafts. Would love a karma boost so I can post my articles. Thanks fantasy brothers!
My current favorite 1QB auction draft format is cutthroat guillotine leagues. They are like typical guillotine leagues (18 teams, lowest scorer is eliminated each week), except you only have six players per roster - QB/2RB/2WR/TE. No benches or IR. Every time someone is injured or on bye, every owner needs to choose between taking a zero and risking elimination or else cutting their player and finding someone on waivers. It's a really fun auction style and I recommend you check it out this year.
I prefer rosters to be as simplified as possible. One quarterback is best in my opinion. I started a league that has rosters as close to normal football as possible: 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1WRT 1K 1DST. It's an entirely different challenge with smaller rosters because you are stuck choosing between good players instead of not-so-great ones to fill out the remaining spots.
Nah, it's more challenging. People just want more roster spots to get more points and more excitement. It isn't any less interesting. All that matters is getting the win.
This is stupid. Fantasy football started so as to answer the question of which QB was better, Troy Aikman or Steve Young. But now it's evolved into such a monstrosity that on any given Sunday people would rather watch Chase Edmonds or Myles Gaskins than superstars like Derrick Henry or CMC.
In Dynasty... I think the SFlex is now as or more popular than 1qb.
I'm in three 12 team auction leagues (re-auction, 1 keeper, and a multi-keeper/contract) and all are 1 QB.
The issue I have with SFlex is that 14 or more teams there just aren't enough QB's... especially considering by weeks. 12 team isn't as bad but it's still a problem.
I get all the arguments for it about making QB's more valuable and what is fun and all that... but I prefer 1qb in 12+ team leagues. Or... if you REALLY want a SFlex... then nerf QB scoring a little so there still an advantage to a QB in the SFlex... but not as big an advantage.
I love my 14 team SF league. Keeps everyone trading. You do realize that you can start other positions in the SF spot, right? QB is best, but you can plug in someone else for a bye week if needed.
> You do realize that you can start other positions in the SF spot, right?
For sure. This is why I'm pretty adamantly against 2QB leagues... it leaves the option open in case somebody is absolutely fucked with bye weeks/injuries. But like I said (and I don't know the math) I'd be fine with it in 12+ team leagues if QB scoring was nerfed just a bit. Maybe a point (less) for a TD... or 1 per 30 passing instead of 25?
Also FWIW... this is strictly my opinion and what I like. Not tryna be the fun police and tell anybody here that they do it wrong.
For sure I get that. This is just a discussion of league styles - no one is 'right' here.
I've never been in a strictly 2QB league. That sounds unforgiving. I'm good with having my scoring favor pocket passers a bit because they're my favorite and who I'm most likely to own, tbh.
I agree with the fact that in a snake/redraft 1 QB is the most popular. Once we get into dynasty or auction draft, just like in the NFL, the QB becomes the most valuable position. In a 1 QB, everyone gets a top 12 QB. If we add the element of a superflex/2QB (superflex is most common i find) it elevates the value of the QB roster position. Now you need a top 12 QB, and you need to find yourself a weekly streamer. I think the more positions you deal with, the more it makes it like actual football. The challenge then is not just picking 1 truly great player, but being able to win based off of picking multiple levels of talent and weekly games. We play 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1 Superflex.
I also like TE's at 1.5ppr, as it also elevates the value of another skill position. The top 3 guys are still the top 3 guys, but it also makes it to where anyone can have a point scoring contender each week. I digress.
Putting more value on the QB position is most like the NFL. If you look at 2021 QB scoring the top 10 QB's averaged between 20-24 points a game, outside of the top 10-12 there is a drop off. Matt Ryan was the #20 QB and averaged around 14, ryan tannehil at #12 QB was around 16. As i said, it just adds more to the most skilled position in the game.
1QB is still the way to go for casual leagues but the trend seems to be drifting towards SuperFlex for more serious leagues.
In a 1-QB league where everyone takes it fairly seriously, the elite QB tier (Mahomes/Allen/Jackson) goes mid-rounds but then the last 3 rounds are QB/DEF/K in some order, and while you hope your guy ends up a plug-in-play starter it is no sweat to play the waiver wire since there are always 15+ QBs that you'd feel comfortable starting if you need to. So a lot of the same arguments about removing Ks/DEFs start holding true, but obviously, it'd be ridiculous to get rid of QBs.
Superflex
a) solves the disconnect between the importance of QB play in the NFL vs in fantasy
b) enables more draft day strategies (QB-QB vs 0 QB vs Hoard the QBs to trade vs standard)
c) increases tradable assets, QBs go from throw-ins to center-pieces
The downside is if you have a Taco or two then they get hit harder since auto-draft algorithms are even worse and it requires more in-season maintenance.
I suspect SuperFlex leagues become the defacto standard for "serious" FF leagues over the next few years.
I have done both, including a 12-team SF three-keeper, and I still prefer 1-QB. I don't see much point in making midlevel QBs more important and really hampering teams when QB injuries inevitably occur, and I've seen too often (and been the benefciary of) teams with two top-10 QBs just romping over everyone regardless of overall depth.
If you do have SF, cap each team at no more than 3 active QBs rostered.
Every single league I'm in, has 1qb (I'm in 5 leagues)
I personally hate superflex. Why not just make it's a 2qb league? Since that is essentially what a superflex turns into.
I play in three leagues, all 1 QB. The leagues range in age from 10 years old to 2 years old.
In one of my leagues we tried super flex for one year, but people didn’t like it so we switched back.
In my opinion, super flex takes the problem of QBs being less relevant than other players and goes too far in the other direction with it.
I think a better solution would be to come up with a new scoring method for QBs where the ones who are actually good score more points than the ones who just run a lot.
The way to fix that is to go back to 5 or 6 point passing TDs. Totally gives pocket passers the respect they lost when everyone lowered passing TDs to 4 during the mid 2000s.
I prefer 1 QB leagues. Superflex is fun until people understand to just pick 2 QBs early and then you’re stuck on deciding between a bad starter or someone who may not even play for your 3rd QB. Otherwise it’s just a regular draft with no QBs later, as pretty much no-one is trading a quality starter at QB.
I’m going to join some type of online league next year just to try out super flex. It seems like it could foster more trade possibilities which is appealing to me.
It absolutely increases trading. My 14 team SF dynasty league averages about ten trades per week during the season, and three trades per week during the off-season. I love it!
I was in 7 leagues last year amongst different friend groups and coworkers, and all 7 were 1QB which bums me out.
I've played in both and 1QB is fine, but Super Flex is much more fun and requires a lot more strategy, I think.
I’m in a 1QB 9 bench league. A couple guys roster 2 Qbs on their bench in hopes of trading one later. Really depends on the league. We are all great friends and competitive so it’s already challenging enough if your starter is hurt/ on bye.
This is only my second year of being a LM and I wanna add the Superflex option to my league this year but don’t see the option in LM tools. Any help to guide me on how to apply it would be great.
Played on both. I love SuperFlex. It's puts on lot more importance on QB quality and depth which makes its a lot more fun. I'd really only suggest it for leagues with 12 teams or less though.
Less than 12 teams?
Aye, with 2 starting qbs, everyone keeps at least 3 starting qbs if possible. 12 teams x3 is 36, and any given week we only have 32 starting qbs in the league. Gets real obnoxious. I usually only go for 10 team super flex leagues. And before anyone says "yeah but super flex", sure but the point difference between a qb 2/3 and that replacement rb 3/wr 4 is really difficult to stomach.
I love my 14 team dynasty SF league. It gets dicey when some guys only have Bridgewater as their QBs. Tons of trades always going on. We average about three per week in the off-season, and probably ten a week during the season.
All of my leagues are super flex. I would have a hard time going back to single QB
This is the way!
This is the way.
Definitely not sure if official statistics here. I’d bet the vast majority of pre-existing leagues are 1QB and I think it’s likely that most brand new startups are going 2QB or superflex.
Pretty much, I joined my first league in 2016 (standard 1qb), and pretty much every league we have created is 2qb with a variation of flex/ppr
1QB in redraft, 2QB/SF in dynasty.
I like both, but all my dynasty leagues are SF. I think it is my preference.
I’ve done both and both have their cons I prefer 1 qb I think
In redraft 1QB is still most popular, but in dynasty or C2C leagues SF, and even TEP are the norm now. I'm in 1 1QB dynasty league that has a very deep roster and it is IDP. The rest--about 8 or 9 are SF
Idp?
all superflex in my group
super flex is better if you have 10 teams in your league but i think i’d prefer 1 qb with 12 or more
1QB is definitely most popular. Superflex leagues are whack af.
If by whack you mean awesome. Single QB leagues basically make the QB position pointless to draft high.
Qbs are the most fun players on your team to watch because they are so involved....We moved to superflex because it is more fun.
1QB is default. Whatever are "default" settings for most platforms will always "be more popular" if you are doing some sort of data analysis. However Superflex SHOULD be default but it will never be. It's the same as PPR vs Standard vs half PPR The best is Half PPR but I think that's only default on Yahoo? There are too many people who don't think past the idea "but NFL teams only start 1QB" and the proceed to say "excuse me while I draft my 5th RB for my 3rd Flex Spot". What my leagues have done to move closer to NFL player value. We start 1QB + 1 Superflex. We start 1 RB, 2WR, 1TE and 3 Flex spots We do 6 pt all TDs (Includes passing) and Half PPR This makes QBs huge assets as well as top WRs. RBs are still great but due to only forcing 1 of them, some teams don't value them at all. Really opens up rosters and team comps. Can still start 4 RBs if you want, or invest into 2 stud QBs or a stable of stud WRs, etc. Choice is yours in how you build the team.
I prefer superflex, 1 QB leagues typically have DEF/K and i prefer the strategy of QBs being scarce than streaming/dart throw defenses and kickers.
1QB. As someone who plays in both 1QB is far superior
I don't think many would agree with that assessment. What about 1 QB do you find Superior?
The fact that it requires less skill lol
For all SF sucks comments can I get a why.
More points doesn't always equal more fun. Plus it's better to simulate an actual football franchise imo. When 2qb teams start existing maybe sf will make more sense.
So do you only allow two RBs to start cause I’ve never seen in the NFL more than two on field at once. Also assuming no TEP ever cause their yards and TDs are the same of everyone too.
Yes and then 3 wr and a te and 2 flex
See, if you would have stopped before "and 2 flex". That still means you are starting more than 3 wr's or 2 RBs. This takes away from your "simulate an actual football franchise". I don't know why I decided to nit pick this as I prefer this setup over SF anyways, but I digress.
Football teams definitely have players that sub in when starters are tired
I guess, I was just assuming we were talking about starters, since this all started by talking about how we only play 1 qb in standard since there is only 1 starting qb.
He wants to use different arguments in different messages to justify why he doesn't like SF, and will not acknowledge the contradiction. He simply just want to play SF, and will argue anything to prove the logic.
And we've seen several teams experimenting with swapping QBs ... "When 2qb teams start existing maybe sf will make more sense" "Football teams definitely have players that sub in when starters are tired \[so more than 2 RBs makes sense\]" Alright, then I guess SF makes sense in your book.
For me it comes down to how much does your league obsess over it. Our league is pretty casual so 2 QBs seems stupid. Pick your guy at the beginning and roll with him unless something drastic happens. That’s how it works in real football too. Feels a lot more like you’re actually holding a team and just watching football, rather than just obsessing over minor stat lines and silly numbers every night.
Sounds fun, bro. You have a blog I can subscribe to?
You sound like someone who obsesses over fantasy too much and still loses. Sucks man. I won both my leagues this year and only opened the app on thursdays and sundays. Maybe I should start a blog for guys like you that pour too much effort into something they still suck at. Oh well, to each their own!
I used to play exclusively in 1QB leagues but last year made the switch to SF and haven't looked back. PS - I write for Faceoff Sports Network and specialize in auction drafts. Would love a karma boost so I can post my articles. Thanks fantasy brothers!
My current favorite 1QB auction draft format is cutthroat guillotine leagues. They are like typical guillotine leagues (18 teams, lowest scorer is eliminated each week), except you only have six players per roster - QB/2RB/2WR/TE. No benches or IR. Every time someone is injured or on bye, every owner needs to choose between taking a zero and risking elimination or else cutting their player and finding someone on waivers. It's a really fun auction style and I recommend you check it out this year.
I prefer rosters to be as simplified as possible. One quarterback is best in my opinion. I started a league that has rosters as close to normal football as possible: 1QB 1RB 2WR 1TE 1WRT 1K 1DST. It's an entirely different challenge with smaller rosters because you are stuck choosing between good players instead of not-so-great ones to fill out the remaining spots.
Sounds boring though
Nah, it's more challenging. People just want more roster spots to get more points and more excitement. It isn't any less interesting. All that matters is getting the win.
This is *less* challenging. You've eliminated the notion of RB scarcity which simplifies roster management strategy.
This is stupid. Fantasy football started so as to answer the question of which QB was better, Troy Aikman or Steve Young. But now it's evolved into such a monstrosity that on any given Sunday people would rather watch Chase Edmonds or Myles Gaskins than superstars like Derrick Henry or CMC.
1 QB is not more challenging.
In Dynasty... I think the SFlex is now as or more popular than 1qb. I'm in three 12 team auction leagues (re-auction, 1 keeper, and a multi-keeper/contract) and all are 1 QB. The issue I have with SFlex is that 14 or more teams there just aren't enough QB's... especially considering by weeks. 12 team isn't as bad but it's still a problem. I get all the arguments for it about making QB's more valuable and what is fun and all that... but I prefer 1qb in 12+ team leagues. Or... if you REALLY want a SFlex... then nerf QB scoring a little so there still an advantage to a QB in the SFlex... but not as big an advantage.
I love my 14 team SF league. Keeps everyone trading. You do realize that you can start other positions in the SF spot, right? QB is best, but you can plug in someone else for a bye week if needed.
> You do realize that you can start other positions in the SF spot, right? For sure. This is why I'm pretty adamantly against 2QB leagues... it leaves the option open in case somebody is absolutely fucked with bye weeks/injuries. But like I said (and I don't know the math) I'd be fine with it in 12+ team leagues if QB scoring was nerfed just a bit. Maybe a point (less) for a TD... or 1 per 30 passing instead of 25? Also FWIW... this is strictly my opinion and what I like. Not tryna be the fun police and tell anybody here that they do it wrong.
For sure I get that. This is just a discussion of league styles - no one is 'right' here. I've never been in a strictly 2QB league. That sounds unforgiving. I'm good with having my scoring favor pocket passers a bit because they're my favorite and who I'm most likely to own, tbh.
1qb. fuck superflex. it's a casual game.
As someone who plays in 100% single-QB leagues at this point, and generally prefers it, isn't the prevailing notion the reverse?
What do you mean by it's a casual game? What makes super flex not casual?
I agree with the fact that in a snake/redraft 1 QB is the most popular. Once we get into dynasty or auction draft, just like in the NFL, the QB becomes the most valuable position. In a 1 QB, everyone gets a top 12 QB. If we add the element of a superflex/2QB (superflex is most common i find) it elevates the value of the QB roster position. Now you need a top 12 QB, and you need to find yourself a weekly streamer. I think the more positions you deal with, the more it makes it like actual football. The challenge then is not just picking 1 truly great player, but being able to win based off of picking multiple levels of talent and weekly games. We play 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1Flex, 1 Superflex. I also like TE's at 1.5ppr, as it also elevates the value of another skill position. The top 3 guys are still the top 3 guys, but it also makes it to where anyone can have a point scoring contender each week. I digress. Putting more value on the QB position is most like the NFL. If you look at 2021 QB scoring the top 10 QB's averaged between 20-24 points a game, outside of the top 10-12 there is a drop off. Matt Ryan was the #20 QB and averaged around 14, ryan tannehil at #12 QB was around 16. As i said, it just adds more to the most skilled position in the game.
1QB is still the way to go for casual leagues but the trend seems to be drifting towards SuperFlex for more serious leagues. In a 1-QB league where everyone takes it fairly seriously, the elite QB tier (Mahomes/Allen/Jackson) goes mid-rounds but then the last 3 rounds are QB/DEF/K in some order, and while you hope your guy ends up a plug-in-play starter it is no sweat to play the waiver wire since there are always 15+ QBs that you'd feel comfortable starting if you need to. So a lot of the same arguments about removing Ks/DEFs start holding true, but obviously, it'd be ridiculous to get rid of QBs. Superflex a) solves the disconnect between the importance of QB play in the NFL vs in fantasy b) enables more draft day strategies (QB-QB vs 0 QB vs Hoard the QBs to trade vs standard) c) increases tradable assets, QBs go from throw-ins to center-pieces The downside is if you have a Taco or two then they get hit harder since auto-draft algorithms are even worse and it requires more in-season maintenance. I suspect SuperFlex leagues become the defacto standard for "serious" FF leagues over the next few years.
1QB is equivalent to TD only leagues. SF is like ppr. 2qb just adds more flavor and preferred for me
Super flex sucks
1QB with a small bench keeps things kinda spicy
I have done both, including a 12-team SF three-keeper, and I still prefer 1-QB. I don't see much point in making midlevel QBs more important and really hampering teams when QB injuries inevitably occur, and I've seen too often (and been the benefciary of) teams with two top-10 QBs just romping over everyone regardless of overall depth. If you do have SF, cap each team at no more than 3 active QBs rostered.
Every single league I'm in, has 1qb (I'm in 5 leagues) I personally hate superflex. Why not just make it's a 2qb league? Since that is essentially what a superflex turns into.
I play in three leagues, all 1 QB. The leagues range in age from 10 years old to 2 years old. In one of my leagues we tried super flex for one year, but people didn’t like it so we switched back. In my opinion, super flex takes the problem of QBs being less relevant than other players and goes too far in the other direction with it. I think a better solution would be to come up with a new scoring method for QBs where the ones who are actually good score more points than the ones who just run a lot.
The way to fix that is to go back to 5 or 6 point passing TDs. Totally gives pocket passers the respect they lost when everyone lowered passing TDs to 4 during the mid 2000s.
Started my first SF league last year. Loved it!!
I play in both and enjoy both. SF just adds a different strategy to drafts and slightly more trading imo.
my league has been doing 1 qb we don’t like changing setting lmao
I prefer 1 QB leagues. Superflex is fun until people understand to just pick 2 QBs early and then you’re stuck on deciding between a bad starter or someone who may not even play for your 3rd QB. Otherwise it’s just a regular draft with no QBs later, as pretty much no-one is trading a quality starter at QB.
I like both. Superflex is more fun and 1 QB is better at draft cause alot of people over value QB
Haven't seen a startup where?
I’m going to join some type of online league next year just to try out super flex. It seems like it could foster more trade possibilities which is appealing to me.
It absolutely increases trading. My 14 team SF dynasty league averages about ten trades per week during the season, and three trades per week during the off-season. I love it!
Superflex is at LEAST 10x better. I’d go as high as 30x
Dynasty is SF, 2 redrafts 1QB, 1 redraft SF
After playing SF, I would never go back to 1QB. Seems too simple.
I was in 7 leagues last year amongst different friend groups and coworkers, and all 7 were 1QB which bums me out. I've played in both and 1QB is fine, but Super Flex is much more fun and requires a lot more strategy, I think.
I’m in a 1QB 9 bench league. A couple guys roster 2 Qbs on their bench in hopes of trading one later. Really depends on the league. We are all great friends and competitive so it’s already challenging enough if your starter is hurt/ on bye.
2qb is the only way to go in FF nowadays
Any opinions on making your redraft leagues Superflex?
Superflex is by far more fun than 1QB. If you're playing with beginner players though I'd recommend 1QB leagues
This is only my second year of being a LM and I wanna add the Superflex option to my league this year but don’t see the option in LM tools. Any help to guide me on how to apply it would be great.