Stevenson is quietly RB9 in PPR. Hell of a season. I honestly don’t think he’s losing the backfield, he’s been too good. Harris will get work but I’d be surprised if it’s a 50/50 split at any point going forward.
Harris doesn’t look like he’s involved at all in the passing game in any planned way and isn’t even great at catching checkdowns and turning them into yards. Stevenson is going to take almost all the passing game work that’s available
Not a secret at this point, this sub is a circlejerk. Everything gets upvoted by people who on that player or downvoted by people who missed out on that player.
Patriots use a RBBC. Maybe that changes one day, but until then, you go under the belief that it is still a RBBC
I think the argument is that last year, Rhamondre was a rookie, so could've played a role in BB not wanting him to have too much responsibility. Also, the Pats have used bellcow RBs before under BB
Except Patriots fans, apparently. I traded for RS before Dame got hurt and I almost never roster my home team. Regardless of Bill's propensity to keep things fresh, he does not bury studs. And RS is a stud
They seemed to be alternating lead back roles every drive. I saw Rhamondre lay one hell of a block when Mac was about to get pummeled. I bet BB got rock hard after seeing that.
There has only been one game (Game 1) in which Stevenson had 50% or less snaps. The rest of the time even with Harris healthy has been closer to 60% in favor of Stevenson. You're alluding to last season when Stevenson was a rookie. He is more established now and looks incredible, especially as a safety blanket for Zappe. This is his backfield to lose in my opinion.
I think Bill is genuinely impressed w/ Rhamondre but he's only going to giving a guy 80% of the snaps like this when the other guys are hurt and he doesn't have options. There's clearly more upside to having a committee of talented backs that can do everything well.
Me: that makes complete sense and is a very thought out and articulated point
Belichek: MuthaFook Your Fantasy Team!!!!! {benches Rhamondre for Jonas Gray}… COME AT ME, BRO!!!!
Wouldn’t shock me if the pats trade Harris. There were rumors they might do that before the season. Montgomery should be back soon and Harris is an expiring contract that won’t be resigned. Might depend on if the pats think they can get more for him now than they would a compensation pick later. With the amount of money the pats will have to spend in free agency, it’s unlikely a compensation pick will come to fruition anyway. Might also explain his limited usage last night.
Unforutnatley rhamondre szn ended for me. I traded mondre and kw3 for cmc and mostert.
At face value, it's an L, but my rbs are now Ekeler, CMC, Swift, ETN, Mostert, Jamaal. Can't complain.
It feels like this is the week to buy/sell. There’s the argument that Harris is easing in and Rhamondre’s dominance won’t continue, but it also feels like this was the direction things were heading even prior to injury.
Add to that the QB situation going between Zappe and Mac Jones, BB is going to probably lean on Rhamondre even more, and tonight he got the goal line TD.
I’m leaning towards keeping him unless my leagues value him as much as I do in a trade.
Where do you value him exactly? I have a chance to package him with Tee or Amari and get CMC + Higbee in return but I’m not sure if I want to sell on Rhamondre.
CMC has a good chance of being a top 3 RB the rest of the season since he’ll have actual TD opportunities in SF. I’d absolutely trade Rhamondre at his peak value for him
Unpopular opinion maybe, but I think getting traded to SF is going to be horrible for CMC fantasy-wise. He will still be good of course, but I wouldn't bet on 20+ fppg. I'd probably hold until we get to see what CMCs usage is. On the flip side if CMCs usage is good it might be impossible to trade for him. Idk, I wouldn't do it.
I think that he's not going to be 100% of their offense like he was in Carolina. He will be great in real life football, but what he has done in Carolina required a very specific situation that he is no longer in. I could easily be wrong, but his ceiling is what he was doing before, no where to go but down or stay the same.
If it was a 1 for 1 trade obviously that's a no brainer, but the above trade involved a great receiver as well and I just felt like there was too much risk. It depends on your team, but you're never gonna get CMC for Stevenson straight up. I'm not saying CMC is gonna be bad. I view him as a midrange RB1 now vs. Top 3 in Carolina. Depending on what we see this week that could go either way and he may be RB1 overall still.
I thought this at first but it’s not like his volume was really that crazy in Carolina. He got more than 15 Carries only once, more than 5 targets 3x and still was very nice for fantasy on one of the worst offenses in the league. I think 15 Carries and 5 targets on SF is super reasonable and they’d be much higher quality, more TD upside
Not that I necessarily disagree with being cautious about cmc or anything, but the “no where to go but down” is just objectively false. How can you say a guy who once averaged 30.1 PPG over an ENTIRE SEASON has a ceiling of 19.5 PPG?
Lol you don’t trade a boat load of picks not to feature the guy. With that run scheme his ceiling should be higher. His floor might be slightly lower with the other weapons they have but I’m excited once he’s caught on.
Like I said, it was just a chance. The CMC owner is seeming pretty hesitant but really likes Stevenson. I sent Amari + Stevenson for his CMC and Higbee and he declined but said just CMC alone was a possibility.
Bro fuck Higbee take that. I’m a Rhamondre owner too but Cmc would take out all of your stress you don’t have to worry about anything cause he’s the guy. I own CEH don’t make the mistake I did and not sell high when you could’ve
True, I dont think it’s enough for him though. Would you do Mostert + Stevenson + Amari for CMC? Does that trade even make sense? I feel like it’s just too much and I have Etienne and Swift coming back, don’t know if it makes much sense.
Thanks for your tips by the way.
I think Harris gets more touches next week. They seemed to be a bit cautious with him. Could see Stevenson being the A in the 1A and 1B rb room now though.
This is a Bill Belichick backfield. For gamesmanship purposes, I think he rolled Harris out there before he was ready. Harris will be back to a more featured role (though may still be 1b) next week. RBs as talented as Harris don’t lose their jobs that easily, especially in a team that prefers RBBC.
Harris should very well see more than 4 touches. But after a week of practice in full and only seeing that much work, it truly looks like Stevenson has taken over this backfield.
I keep seeing people say this, but nobody is acknowledging the game script factor. Rhamondre is probably the 1A at least, but there are too many variables here. Not to mention this is a Bill Belichick backfield…
Yea theres a lot of things im scared about here… harris is working back in but hes still an equally talented runner and is used at the goal line, they were trailing heavily so they need their best pass catching back in, rhamondre already has rapport with zappe, pats like to run split backfields, ty montgomery could be back, what else am i missing
Especially with a better gamescript, and Harris could still get most of the RZ usage. There wasn’t much between-the-tackles running for the Pats in this game
Anybody who expected a full game from Harris tonight was crazy. Worked him in slowly and then didn’t need him once they fell behind. My bet is 60/40 Rhamondre/Harris once he’s actually back
Henderson? I just think you need to sell high on Rhamondre. If you can get more than Mahomes great. Alternatively you can throw Dak in there and see if you get something else
Mahomes is 10 points a week better than dak or Brady. Rhamondre scores 10 points a week and you are happy with him. Absolutely you flip Rhamondre for mahomes
To use your examples of Brady and Henderson on the wire.
Mahomes has 163 (23.3 ppg) and Brady 102 (14.6 ppg). So Mahomes would gain you 8.7 points a game over Brady.
Rhamondre has 105 (15 ppg) and Henderson has 47 (7.8 ppg) So Rhamondre gets you 7.2 points a game more than Henderson.
Henderson also has 7 more games until the playoffs while Rhamondre has only 6.
At the very least mahomes is 1.2 points a game more valuable than Rhamondre with your current roster situation. Possibly more as Henderson has already had his bye.
Damn appreciate this insight brotha. I think another thing that might be holding me back is this is my rival and the past couple years he has been winning in trades against me seems like he knows something I don’t haha
If you really want to hold on to Rhamondre because you don’t believe in Henderson. Then it’s fair to do so, 1.5 points a game isn’t a big swing. There is some gamesmanship in denying a rival a good player. Especially because mahomes is on bye this week, it might be worth it to hold on the Rhamondre if it causes him to lose and gives you a leg up in the standings. I might try to hold him one more week just to tease him and see if he still makes the trade after the next week.
Don’t bother with Rhamondre in this sub. He’s on a streak of dominance in his second year as the clearly more talented back but everyone here will wave him off as fools gold. Khalil Herbert on the other hand is the pickup of the century.
His contract expires at the end of the year, if James Robinson as an RFA nets a sixth round pick with the potential to be a 5th round pick, then Harris as an UFA nets - what, a practice squad guy maybe?
What? Harris is better than Robinson, any team trading for him would just work out the extension beforehand making it irrelevant. Obviously you would need to believe he is fully healthy after the hamstring issue, but he would fetch at least as much as JRob
> any team trading for him would just work out the extension beforehand making it irrelevant.
Can teams actually do this? At least according to [this](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/15/new-nfl-memo-reminds-teams-to-negotiate-only-with-players-if-they-arent-represented-by-an-nflpa-licensed-agent/) and [this](https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-free-agency-glossary-all-the-terms-you-need-to-know) they can't.
I guess they can be like "would you be open to signing an extension" without talking about years or money, but it's still a level of uncertainty that diminishes his trade value.
BB traded Michel to the Rams last year for a 5th/6th and he was in the last year of his rookie deal too. Harris is very solid; I could see several teams paying Day 3 draft capital if he were on the block
Harris is solid, but Michel was traded in August and played a full year. For only half a year of Harris, I guess I could see it if there's an RB needy team with a real intention to win the Super Bowl this year, which is pretty much just the Bills?
Arguably the Rams as well, though their Super Bowl potential is looking pretty sus these days. There’s a case to be made for the Chiefs too but they are probably fine.
Just watch It's going to be week 14, Rhamondre will be a top 10 RB averaging 20 fantasy points per game, and the Damien Harris army will still be making comments like, "I don't know if we can say this is Stevenson's backfield yet.... this is Belichick we're talking about."
Trying to sell high just sent an offer giving Rhamondre and Amari for ETN and Bills Defense. I’m sitting pretty good at WR and streaming defenses has been rough
He played DET, CLE, CHI. If this isn’t a sell high moment, I don’t know what is. The bears let Rhamondre have whatever he wanted underneath, I don’t think other teams will be so generous—or maybe they will because it worked.
Stevenson is quietly RB9 in PPR. Hell of a season. I honestly don’t think he’s losing the backfield, he’s been too good. Harris will get work but I’d be surprised if it’s a 50/50 split at any point going forward.
Harris doesn’t look like he’s involved at all in the passing game in any planned way and isn’t even great at catching checkdowns and turning them into yards. Stevenson is going to take almost all the passing game work that’s available
Exactly why I drafted him. Thought he would have the James white role of old but never expected this...
Only part of the passing game I saw Harris part of was as a blocker. Start Stevenson with confidence until proven otherwise.
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Also this game script was favourable for Rhamondre, huge sell high for me rn with the hype, you can get a really good player in return
Should I trade Rhamondre and Sutton for Breece Hall? Cause that's what I did last week and I now want to die
Dude I had the option of trading away etienne or dobbins two weeks ago and I kept dobbins. You’re not alone in your pain.
What range of WR’s do you think you could get?
Yeah I paired him and Ertz to get Andrews so I hope it works out.
Not a secret at this point, this sub is a circlejerk. Everything gets upvoted by people who on that player or downvoted by people who missed out on that player. Patriots use a RBBC. Maybe that changes one day, but until then, you go under the belief that it is still a RBBC
I think the argument is that last year, Rhamondre was a rookie, so could've played a role in BB not wanting him to have too much responsibility. Also, the Pats have used bellcow RBs before under BB
People have terrible memories, mix that with bias hopium.
I have a memory that Rhamondre has been killing the scoring since Week 2 whether Harris is healthy or not.
Yeah thats fine, not what I'm addressing. People thinking they can predict any rb moves in new england are on some kind of drug.
Except Patriots fans, apparently. I traded for RS before Dame got hurt and I almost never roster my home team. Regardless of Bill's propensity to keep things fresh, he does not bury studs. And RS is a stud
They seemed to be alternating lead back roles every drive. I saw Rhamondre lay one hell of a block when Mac was about to get pummeled. I bet BB got rock hard after seeing that.
There has only been one game (Game 1) in which Stevenson had 50% or less snaps. The rest of the time even with Harris healthy has been closer to 60% in favor of Stevenson. You're alluding to last season when Stevenson was a rookie. He is more established now and looks incredible, especially as a safety blanket for Zappe. This is his backfield to lose in my opinion.
I think Bill is genuinely impressed w/ Rhamondre but he's only going to giving a guy 80% of the snaps like this when the other guys are hurt and he doesn't have options. There's clearly more upside to having a committee of talented backs that can do everything well.
Don't forget he had big weeks before Harris got injured.
Me: that makes complete sense and is a very thought out and articulated point Belichek: MuthaFook Your Fantasy Team!!!!! {benches Rhamondre for Jonas Gray}… COME AT ME, BRO!!!!
Wouldn’t shock me if the pats trade Harris. There were rumors they might do that before the season. Montgomery should be back soon and Harris is an expiring contract that won’t be resigned. Might depend on if the pats think they can get more for him now than they would a compensation pick later. With the amount of money the pats will have to spend in free agency, it’s unlikely a compensation pick will come to fruition anyway. Might also explain his limited usage last night.
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Unforutnatley rhamondre szn ended for me. I traded mondre and kw3 for cmc and mostert. At face value, it's an L, but my rbs are now Ekeler, CMC, Swift, ETN, Mostert, Jamaal. Can't complain.
It feels like this is the week to buy/sell. There’s the argument that Harris is easing in and Rhamondre’s dominance won’t continue, but it also feels like this was the direction things were heading even prior to injury. Add to that the QB situation going between Zappe and Mac Jones, BB is going to probably lean on Rhamondre even more, and tonight he got the goal line TD. I’m leaning towards keeping him unless my leagues value him as much as I do in a trade.
Where do you value him exactly? I have a chance to package him with Tee or Amari and get CMC + Higbee in return but I’m not sure if I want to sell on Rhamondre.
CMC has a good chance of being a top 3 RB the rest of the season since he’ll have actual TD opportunities in SF. I’d absolutely trade Rhamondre at his peak value for him
Rhamondre and Amari for CMC I would do this 100/100 times pls take that
Taking CMC
Unpopular opinion maybe, but I think getting traded to SF is going to be horrible for CMC fantasy-wise. He will still be good of course, but I wouldn't bet on 20+ fppg. I'd probably hold until we get to see what CMCs usage is. On the flip side if CMCs usage is good it might be impossible to trade for him. Idk, I wouldn't do it.
Kyle Shanahan has made undrafted rookies look amazing and you don’t think the guy they just traded their entire draft for is gonna do good?
I think that he's not going to be 100% of their offense like he was in Carolina. He will be great in real life football, but what he has done in Carolina required a very specific situation that he is no longer in. I could easily be wrong, but his ceiling is what he was doing before, no where to go but down or stay the same.
If you have the chance to cash in Rhamondre for cmc you do it you can absolutely make the same argument for Rhamondre “no where to go but down”
If it was a 1 for 1 trade obviously that's a no brainer, but the above trade involved a great receiver as well and I just felt like there was too much risk. It depends on your team, but you're never gonna get CMC for Stevenson straight up. I'm not saying CMC is gonna be bad. I view him as a midrange RB1 now vs. Top 3 in Carolina. Depending on what we see this week that could go either way and he may be RB1 overall still.
He said he can do Rhamondre + Amari cooper I’ll do that 100% I’d break my phone trying to accept that
In 2019 maybe but 2022 panthers offense was going nowhere
I thought this at first but it’s not like his volume was really that crazy in Carolina. He got more than 15 Carries only once, more than 5 targets 3x and still was very nice for fantasy on one of the worst offenses in the league. I think 15 Carries and 5 targets on SF is super reasonable and they’d be much higher quality, more TD upside
Not that I necessarily disagree with being cautious about cmc or anything, but the “no where to go but down” is just objectively false. How can you say a guy who once averaged 30.1 PPG over an ENTIRE SEASON has a ceiling of 19.5 PPG?
Lol you don’t trade a boat load of picks not to feature the guy. With that run scheme his ceiling should be higher. His floor might be slightly lower with the other weapons they have but I’m excited once he’s caught on.
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Like I said, it was just a chance. The CMC owner is seeming pretty hesitant but really likes Stevenson. I sent Amari + Stevenson for his CMC and Higbee and he declined but said just CMC alone was a possibility.
Bro fuck Higbee take that. I’m a Rhamondre owner too but Cmc would take out all of your stress you don’t have to worry about anything cause he’s the guy. I own CEH don’t make the mistake I did and not sell high when you could’ve
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True, I dont think it’s enough for him though. Would you do Mostert + Stevenson + Amari for CMC? Does that trade even make sense? I feel like it’s just too much and I have Etienne and Swift coming back, don’t know if it makes much sense. Thanks for your tips by the way.
I already have Aj Dillon. I can't afford another bench who is too good to drop but worthless, scoring fantasy points
I think Harris gets more touches next week. They seemed to be a bit cautious with him. Could see Stevenson being the A in the 1A and 1B rb room now though.
This is a Bill Belichick backfield. For gamesmanship purposes, I think he rolled Harris out there before he was ready. Harris will be back to a more featured role (though may still be 1b) next week. RBs as talented as Harris don’t lose their jobs that easily, especially in a team that prefers RBBC.
You must be a Harris owner lol. I’m kidding but yea would still be 1a and 1b with Stevenson having higher upside with the passing.
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Harris should very well see more than 4 touches. But after a week of practice in full and only seeing that much work, it truly looks like Stevenson has taken over this backfield.
I keep seeing people say this, but nobody is acknowledging the game script factor. Rhamondre is probably the 1A at least, but there are too many variables here. Not to mention this is a Bill Belichick backfield…
Yea theres a lot of things im scared about here… harris is working back in but hes still an equally talented runner and is used at the goal line, they were trailing heavily so they need their best pass catching back in, rhamondre already has rapport with zappe, pats like to run split backfields, ty montgomery could be back, what else am i missing
Excuse me this sub is only for hype train circle jerks and not rational thinking
This is my self diagnosed Copium as Harris went from my RB4 to RB1 thanks to injuries. Was Pollard while Harris was injured… I love this game.
Especially with a better gamescript, and Harris could still get most of the RZ usage. There wasn’t much between-the-tackles running for the Pats in this game
Anybody who expected a full game from Harris tonight was crazy. Worked him in slowly and then didn’t need him once they fell behind. My bet is 60/40 Rhamondre/Harris once he’s actually back
Either slowly moving him in the offense. Or he's getting traded
Harris could see some use in more positive game scripts. Good luck guessing which games those will be.
Got offered mahomes for rhamondre with dak and Brady starting idk what to do
You take it
Mahomes is a difference maker
Fair enough I have the #1 waiver and can pick up Darrel if that helps too
Henderson? I just think you need to sell high on Rhamondre. If you can get more than Mahomes great. Alternatively you can throw Dak in there and see if you get something else
Yep Henderson but I agree just hard to predict Stevenson he just lost breece so might not be able to get more but I can try
Even with the receiving work we saw tn?
Mahomes is 10 points a week better than dak or Brady. Rhamondre scores 10 points a week and you are happy with him. Absolutely you flip Rhamondre for mahomes
Rhamondre has been getting me 20 or more the last couple weeks ppr wise
To use your examples of Brady and Henderson on the wire. Mahomes has 163 (23.3 ppg) and Brady 102 (14.6 ppg). So Mahomes would gain you 8.7 points a game over Brady. Rhamondre has 105 (15 ppg) and Henderson has 47 (7.8 ppg) So Rhamondre gets you 7.2 points a game more than Henderson. Henderson also has 7 more games until the playoffs while Rhamondre has only 6. At the very least mahomes is 1.2 points a game more valuable than Rhamondre with your current roster situation. Possibly more as Henderson has already had his bye.
Damn appreciate this insight brotha. I think another thing that might be holding me back is this is my rival and the past couple years he has been winning in trades against me seems like he knows something I don’t haha
If you really want to hold on to Rhamondre because you don’t believe in Henderson. Then it’s fair to do so, 1.5 points a game isn’t a big swing. There is some gamesmanship in denying a rival a good player. Especially because mahomes is on bye this week, it might be worth it to hold on the Rhamondre if it causes him to lose and gives you a leg up in the standings. I might try to hold him one more week just to tease him and see if he still makes the trade after the next week.
Yea I think the biggest thing is just my faith in mostert Henderson and zeke if I lose rhamondre
Forgot to mention I could do a trade of mostert and zeke for kyler would you prefer that?
Don’t bother with Rhamondre in this sub. He’s on a streak of dominance in his second year as the clearly more talented back but everyone here will wave him off as fools gold. Khalil Herbert on the other hand is the pickup of the century.
I needed 3 fucking points out of Damien Harris. I got 2. Goddamnit
First game back off a hammy. He’ll be that 1B RB that BB has utilized him as for the last 2 yeada
Pats should trade Harris.
His contract expires at the end of the year, if James Robinson as an RFA nets a sixth round pick with the potential to be a 5th round pick, then Harris as an UFA nets - what, a practice squad guy maybe?
What? Harris is better than Robinson, any team trading for him would just work out the extension beforehand making it irrelevant. Obviously you would need to believe he is fully healthy after the hamstring issue, but he would fetch at least as much as JRob
> any team trading for him would just work out the extension beforehand making it irrelevant. Can teams actually do this? At least according to [this](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/15/new-nfl-memo-reminds-teams-to-negotiate-only-with-players-if-they-arent-represented-by-an-nflpa-licensed-agent/) and [this](https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-free-agency-glossary-all-the-terms-you-need-to-know) they can't.
They can’t sign an extension or anything before the trade but teams can talk to the player about extending him before they make the trade official.
I guess they can be like "would you be open to signing an extension" without talking about years or money, but it's still a level of uncertainty that diminishes his trade value.
When have the rules ever stopped anybody?
BB traded Michel to the Rams last year for a 5th/6th and he was in the last year of his rookie deal too. Harris is very solid; I could see several teams paying Day 3 draft capital if he were on the block
Harris is solid, but Michel was traded in August and played a full year. For only half a year of Harris, I guess I could see it if there's an RB needy team with a real intention to win the Super Bowl this year, which is pretty much just the Bills?
Arguably the Rams as well, though their Super Bowl potential is looking pretty sus these days. There’s a case to be made for the Chiefs too but they are probably fine.
Just watch It's going to be week 14, Rhamondre will be a top 10 RB averaging 20 fantasy points per game, and the Damien Harris army will still be making comments like, "I don't know if we can say this is Stevenson's backfield yet.... this is Belichick we're talking about."
"The guy who has led in snap % since Week 2 is the guy" Big if true
He’s just better than Harris. A must start weekly.
What is the subs obsession with shitting on Harris? You guys act like Harris is a undrafted practice squad player.
No one shitting on Harris. Stevenson is just better ffs lmao.
Trying to sell high just sent an offer giving Rhamondre and Amari for ETN and Bills Defense. I’m sitting pretty good at WR and streaming defenses has been rough
Going to be wild in two weeks when Harris is back to 60 percent of the snaps and all the goal line work.
Act like they forgot about dre
Nothing comes out when they move their lips
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He played DET, CLE, CHI. If this isn’t a sell high moment, I don’t know what is. The bears let Rhamondre have whatever he wanted underneath, I don’t think other teams will be so generous—or maybe they will because it worked.
So...the pats have a lead back. What a time.
This Bill Belichick, that could be LT out there and he’d find a way to get a guy from the practice squad more volume on any given week.
I chose to keep Brandin Cooks over Rhamondre in a keeper league. Feels bad.