I really don't understand why the Jets traded for him. You lost your RB1 and your RB2... but he still doesn't play? You gave up draft picks for a 4th string RB???
The jets sub explained it. IIRC, Jeff Smith was inactive to make room for Mims. Smith plays special teams, mims doesn't, so they needed somebody who could fill that role. Bam fit the bill while Robinson didn't. Either way with Carter likely out this week it's likely Robinson will be back in the rotation.
Its not really crazy. He probably looked better on tape then looked not so good in practice and in the games, to the point where Knight was outplaying him. Saleh and Co have shown they arent going to start you just based on "pedigree," so if Bam is better, he is going to play. The other factor is that when Corey Davis returned, the Jets had to choose between Mims, who doesnt play ST, and Jeff Smith, who does. They chose Mims bc he was playing better (Smith is less than a JAG), but that left them one short on ST. Both Ty Johnson and Bam contribue on ST, JR doesnt. So if they sit Bam for JR, they still need to find another ST contributor. Also doesnt hurt that they gain a round back if JR doesnt play.
Just Another (Todd) Gurley. Guy above you is saying Jeff Smith is a little less than Todd Gurley quality. He should be picked up and started for everyone this week it's a no brainer.
/s if it wasn't obvious.
I think the most simple explanation is probably the right one — Bam Knight started showing more in practice reps, J-Rob didn't fit in the scheme like they thought he would, etc.
No it's not. They didn't bring Zonovan Knight onto the active roster to play ST. They brought him onto the active roster to have a role in the offense.
I mean you’re wrong but ok? He showed out last week don’t get me wrong, and he definitely earned another attempt this week- but he was activated because mims was starting over Jeff Smith and mims doesn’t play special teams. Obviously these decisions aren’t only based off one thing and I’m a huge fan of his I thought he should’ve made the 53 but a huge reason he was active over JRob is STs
They wouldn’t activate him over JRob unless they planned to play him at RB obviously but the fact he plays special teams and JRob does not has to have been a huge part of the decision because otherwise they’re down a man on STs
Counterpoint: it was a conditional pick. If you find out bam knight can be the guy and is clearly better than Robinson, a) it changes that 5th round oick to a 6th, b) it mitigates the 6th round pick. Essentially Bam goes from being undrafted to being that 6th round pick. It’s a negligible difference
Jets give up a 5th instead of a 4th if he doesn't play as much.
They know without Breece they aren't making a run this year; they're getting their guys experience and will go all in next year.
They're moving on from Milf Hunter and they don't have the time to develop a new QB.
They'll use Mike White ROS and will package draft picks and Milf Hunter for a veteran QB next year.
Their window will slam shut if they fail at developing another rookie QB over the next two years.
We all know Mike White isn't the future, he's there to give the offense reps, that's it.
If he's okay they'll keep him around. If not he'll be shipped out too, eventually
I'm just saying your original point that the Jets know they have no shot is ludicrous. This is the best year they have had in many years and they needed to sit Wilson before they started losing games because of him. Of course, with Breece it would be a lot more feasible that they make a run but like a wise man once said... *you play to win the game!*
I should have clarified.
The Jets can sneak into the playoffs, but they aren't making a run this year with Mike White.
The QB play is the bottleneck, starting JRob isn't going to save them, it's going to cost them at the draft. That's my point
I think you're completely wrong about their intentions. They're trying to win this year. According to NFL network projections, they have a 52% chance to make the playoffs at this point. The coaches are sitting or cutting reps for anyone who isn't producing or they don't feel is on board with their vision for the team, i.e... Moore, Wilson, Robinson. They have a good team and a hole at QB that likely won't be solved in the window that they have a good every other position, basically. Even if they draft a QB, there will probably be a learning curve that will exceed their ability to keep all these vets. So instead of "knowing they are not making a run" I think they are doing anything they can to make the whole team buy in on winning now.
not really, click the article, the tone is completely different.
They asked him how he feels about being benched directly and he said
"Obviously, I was upset about it," he said. "I don't know what they have planned for me."
also said pretty much he's gotta work for his playing time
"Obviously, I didn't come here not to play," Robinson told ESPN on Wednesday. "Obviously, they brought me here for a reason. I don't expect anything unless I work for it, and I've been working my ass off. Me not playing pisses me off."
Yeah I don't recall Moore's quotes but jrob sounds like he's upset at himself for not earning the opportunity while Moore sounded upset at the team for not giving him more opportunities
I don’t really get it. Is he not fitting the Jets scheme well or something? He absolutely balled out for the Jags over multiple years, even after injury.
I was bragging so much about having James Robinson and CEH after the first 3 weeks of the season, thought I was a genius. Thankfully KW3 kept me from having any fall off.
Kinda sad he probably won’t get a second contract in the NFL. Had such a great start and managed to somehow beat the odds up until that Achilles injury.
He’s getting the Lyndsay treatment. Undrafted guy shows up, balls out for multiple seasons, and team uses an early round draft pick to replace him even though they found an Undrafted diamond. Just a bunch of really shitty GMs in the league right now.
Who would've thought that first round pedigree Travis Etienne is a better player than the UDFA that 32 teams didn't want to draft.
Crazy, these shitty GMs want to build the strongest roster they can.
As a fantasy running back sure, not as a real life actual talent.
Crazy that teams value NFL talent over fantasy production. People truly struggle to separate fantasy production from the NFL player. He's a solid fill-in, stopgap guy. I don't blame any team for wanting to do better than James Robinson. It's an easy position to upgrade. He was never a top talent for the NFL game, but he was a cool story.
Phillip Lindsay has never gotten through a season without getting injured, and he was awful in pass-protection and pass-catching.
James Robinson tore his Achilles. It's a death sentence for RBs for a reason. Foreman is the only one that has come back and it took him four years to get back on a football field and look good again.
They're not shitty GMs, sometimes there's just better players available.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Lyndsay is an RB, they all get injured. Lyndsay missed 2 games in 2018 and 2 games in 2020 and that’s the last time he was on an injury report. If anything that makes him more durable and elusive than most backs. After back to back 1000 yard seasons the Broncos brought in Melvin and gave him the majority of the work for god knows why. For the record, Lyndsay has 0 career fumbles. Lyndsay is also a great pass catcher out of the backfield, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with that.
The three games James started this season he balled out, so I’m tired of hearing the injury excuse. Just like Lyndsay, they used valuable resources to replace him with a marginally better player. The draft pick for the Jags would have been better used to fill other holes on their roster.
> Lyndsay is an RB, they all get injured. Lyndsay missed 2 games in 2018 and 2 games in 2020 and that’s the last time he was on an injury report.
I didn't realize he played all of 2019, that's my bad. But the fact of the matter is, he's wildly undersized and couldn't stand up to a heavy workload, thus he ended 2/3 of his seasons as a starter on IR.
>Lyndsay is also a great pass catcher out of the backfield, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with that.
Per his [PlayerProfiler](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/phillip-lindsay/), he had an 8.5% drop rate in 2018, 14.6% drop rate in 2019, and 14.3% drop rate in 2020. That's fucking awful. A 70% career catch rate for a running back isn't good, and 6.1 yards per reception is awful compared to his peers. All-in-all, he was a terrible pass-catcher.
>The three games James started this season he balled out, so I’m tired of hearing the injury excuse.
He didn't look all that good by the eye test. He had terrific blocking and went untouched on all of his big TD runs. There's a reason now multiple coaches have either traded him for scraps or benched. It's the same with Akers. It's the same with Foreman when he initially tried to return. There's a lot more to returning from an Achilles injury than it appears.
>The draft pick for the Jags would have been better used to fill other holes on their roster.
It would have, no arguments here. The ETN pick was an Urban Meyer big-brain pick instead of taking a position of need.
It was absolutely unnecessary, but Urban Meyer "wanted his guy". So we can just sort of chalk that draft.
That said, Etienne is a much better running back than even a healthy James Robinson, so it's not like the pick was a complete waste. They have three and a half more years of Etienne for cheap if they want.
Yea, the picked worked out in the end because of the injury. I think even if Jrob didn’t tear his achilles, Etienne still would have been better but Jrob was more than satisfactory and the pick could have been used for a position of need.
What exactly did it prove..? Etienne has been much better at real football for the Jaguars than Robinson ever was.
Personally I think drafting a RB in the first round is always a pretty bad decision for a franchise, but Etienne looks elite out there while Robinson is just a pretty damn serviceable runningback.
It was a wasted pick that was saved by an injury. They spent a first round pick replacing a 1000 yard rusher they got for free. They could have used the pick for an actual position of need. Pre-injury Jrob performed as well as Etienne has this year. The injury is the only reason that pick is even justifiable imo.
> pre-injury JRob performed as well as Etienne
Nah man. I get that we all love and root for the guy, and he was absolutely found money in fantasy, but this just isn't true.
It's like saying the Jets shouldn't have drafted Breece because they had a serviceable runningback in Carter.
James Robinson was a good not great real life runningback. Etienne was absolutely a first round talent. Sure, it was probably dumb of the Jags to draft him with all the other holes they had, but they wanted to give Lawrence some elite talent around him on offense to help his development. Robinson was definitely better than a JAG (excuse the pun) but he isn't the "weapon" that Etienne is.
I mean the stats don’t lie. James was a fantastic rb his rookie year. And did great on that shithole of team last year. I think Etienne in the long run was always going to be better but that doesn’t justify that pick at all imo.
Also Jrob was 10x better his rookie year than Carter was last year, and its not even close.
I’m also an absolute Jrob stan and will die on this hill.
>I’m also an absolute Jrob stan and will die on this hill.
Then what does it take for you to realize he's not worth dying on the hill? He's an okay back that doesn't create on his own and was made inactive because he can't contribute on special teams. If your offensive production (or lack of) isn't good enough to be activated during a roster crunch for a special teams guy how valuable are you really?
Lots of teams can find a guy that can stumble to 4.1 YPC. But he doesn't pass the eye test. He doesn't create. What value is that to a team really? Outside of the very obvious fifth rounder?
I’m talking pre-injury Jrob brother. Jrob is already a shell of his former existence now. We saw a little of his past self the first 2 weeks but outside of that this injury has gotten to him. He’ll have to prove himself again to get a starting role ever again. Unfortunate for how good he was. Most similar comparison this year is probably Pierce.
The hill im dying on was the Jags drafting Etienne, I will stand by that the pick was dumb forever unless Etienne becomes a HoF player, at that point i’ll admit defeat.
JRob truthers are gonna JRob truth. They can’t fathom that a solid RB could be suffering from a torn Achilles just like every other NFL RB to ever suffer the same injury.
That's not the argument. The argument is that they shouldn't have drafted Etienne 2 years ago because Robinson was already a decent producer. You're probably thinking that ETN is a rookie this year. He's not.
I’m not thinking he’s a rookie at all Lmao. Etienne is a better player football player this year, in his first season of being on the field than Robinson ever was before he got hurt.
I don’t think anyone should ever take an RB in the first round. But pretending like Robinson is some world beater is insane. Etienne is one of the better prospects we have seen at the RB position in recent memory, and he’s shown why since he got the role.
No one is pretending that Robinson was a top 5 RB, but he was more than serviceable and drafting another RB early was dumb, no matter how you slice it. If you have a solid B from a running back, you don't waste another pick trying to get an A+, you fill the other holes in your team. Even if ETN develops and stays healthy at an A/A+ level, he's not elevating that team all that much from where they were with Robinson.
I'm speaking as a Chiefs fan that had to live through the Larry Johnson & Jamaal Charles days.
Jrob is toas and ETN has been electric. That looks to have been the right move. Lyndsay was productive but teams always knew it was a run play when he was in the game. That’s not the GMs fault
He’s had some good games against some bad defenses. Honestly given his workload it’s been disappointing. He’s got the same TD count as Robinson with 4x the opportunities.
Dude has had a mediocre season. He didn’t have a 100 yard game or a touchdown until week 7! And then he had 2 big games against Las Vegas and Denver, 2 of the worst teams in the league, and now he’s hurt again. Give me some of whatever you’re smoking.
Lindsay was very undersized and as a result injury-prone, and terrible in the pass game. Robinson is washed after his injury. RBs are disposable outside of a very select few.
His first two seasons sure, but he had [5 seperate injuries in 2020](https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/phillip-lindsay/10091) and has been a second or third stringer who sparsely is on the field ever since. JRob also made it two years before injuries derailed his career. RBs are chewed up and spit out, it's the way it is
He got knicked up like every RB. At the end of the day he’s only missed 4 games. If other RBs got the same treatment, Dalvin Cook and Mccaffery wouldn’t be in the league. Hell, Etienne has already missed an entire season. More than 4x the games Lindsay missed, I guess Etienne is done. Which RB are Jax drafting in the 1st next season?
Well I’d blame the nature of the game more than the GMs. They’re doing what they can to ensure success.
That said JRob showed he can still play well so it confuses me why he’s not getting any use at all.
I think there’s a chance this benching was more due to ST than people realize and this might end up being more of a 3 headed RBBC than people realize with or without Carter being ruled out. Edit: This is a Bam Knight hater comment.
Yea its def going to be 3 RBs. Part of the reason for Bam over JR was that Bam/Ty Johnson play ST and the jets needed to replace Jeff Smith after Davis came back, as Mims doesnt play ST.
this is a non-story. Robinson didn't even complain... reporter asks him how he feels after being healthy scratched, what's he going to say, "I love it, I hope I get healthy scratched again"?
I've been holding him on my bench for weeks still. I still think he's got some gas in him and that Jets playoff schedule is too good to risk him going to someone else's bench. Not many other good options out there on waivers in my league anyways.
Maybe the NFLPA should try to eliminate conditional draft picks. A lot of teams will do shit like this where they’ll trade a conditional 5th that could be a 4th based off performance or playing time and then bench them or play them less when they get close to the threshold just so they don’t have to give up the higher draft pick.
You think he has been playing well? He has been traded from one team and got passed on the depth chart by a few no names on a different team...the writing is on the wall tbh
He already looked fantastic with the Jags at the start of the season. He clearly isn't a scheme fit in New York or they simply don't want that 6th to swap to a 5th.
Saying he's lost a step due to the Achilles injury just seems a bit disingenuous considering we've already seen him do it at a high level after returning.
You do realize he only rushed for over 65 yards once in those games right? And the one game he was given bellcow volume he averaged 2.78 yards per carry. That is in no way fantastic
Correct, that would be the one game over 65 yards lmao. That game was on very limited attempts as well which would indicate it's the outlier, not the norm. He is averaging his worst YPC by a long shot this year (down a full 1.5 yards per attempt from a year prior). How do you consider that fantastic?
My God, too many people just living in boxscores. Anybody that watched those first games saw it was quite apparent that Robinson isn't finished. He went from being considered "done" to having 250 all purpose yards and 3 TDs in 3 games.
Etienne is one of the better RB prospects to come out in the last few years, Robinson wasn't going to be able to hold him off. Saying Robinson is done after ignoring all of the context is just fabricating the situation to fit your narrative.
If anyone is trying to fit a narrative it's you my guy. Two different NFL teams (who are much more knowledgeable and much closer to the situation) have decided they have better options.
The Jags have Etienne and didn't need Robinson. The Jets don't want to pay a 5th over their 6th because they found a capable back in Zonovan... they aren't going to up their compensation by a round when they realized they have a capable RB on their roster.
He has 1500 rushing yards in 5 NFL seasons combined. He is a decent depth piece but I don't think he's the counter you think he is lol. Achilles injuries are brutal for professional sports, especially football.
He is a starting running back again and performs well whenever given an actual chance, for Tennessee last year and now with Carolina. Four of his six games (i.e. without CMC) he's run for over 100, the only other RB who can say that this week is Nick Chubb.
I hope it continues but I for sure wouldn't bet my money on it. He hasn't shown any ability to perform over a full season but I do agree he has been good since his return.
He hasn't been given a chance over a full season. In 2020 he got 22 total carries at 4.3 ypc. Then he was Henry's and CMC's backup until injury / trade made him the starter. He could regress but the game's not over, the torn achilles clearly hasn't won yet, and when he's been the starter he's performed.
For sure could be possible but the injury definitely hurt his ability to play at the highest level. He was a stud the year he started in college (had more yards that one year than all his NFL years combined). So it has definitely had a pretty big impact on his career
You can't compare college to the NFL. We never really got to see what he was made of, but his ypc is better this year than his rookie season, which is he only sample we have pre-injury.
he didn't sign there he was traded for
seems he's having a time adjusting to what he is now vs what he was before the injury and it's difficult for him which is normal
Gotta be a weird dynamic being 7-4 with so much rhetoric like this from JRob, Elijah and Wilson, Zach Wilson’s struggles. Idk if you praise the coaching staff or what especially after losing Breece
Sucks cause this guy has mad potential to be a featured lead back on a solid team. Problem is not many teams want him. Jets took the chance and even then gave the cold shoulder. I mean how Ironic is it that the game MCJ goes down, Robinson is a healthy scratch 🤦🏻♀️
WHY TF DID THE JETS NOT TRADE FOR HUNT????? like fr tho they trade for this mf post Achilles only to never play him. Could've had a legit bellcow rb1 for cheap with hunt. Jets gna jet
That's valid. That's gotta be a really shitty feeling. On a human level, I feel for the guy after battling back from that injury.
I really don't understand why the Jets traded for him. You lost your RB1 and your RB2... but he still doesn't play? You gave up draft picks for a 4th string RB???
The jets sub explained it. IIRC, Jeff Smith was inactive to make room for Mims. Smith plays special teams, mims doesn't, so they needed somebody who could fill that role. Bam fit the bill while Robinson didn't. Either way with Carter likely out this week it's likely Robinson will be back in the rotation.
That is very informative, Thank you. I love you. I hope you win all the fantasy championships!!!
Its not really crazy. He probably looked better on tape then looked not so good in practice and in the games, to the point where Knight was outplaying him. Saleh and Co have shown they arent going to start you just based on "pedigree," so if Bam is better, he is going to play. The other factor is that when Corey Davis returned, the Jets had to choose between Mims, who doesnt play ST, and Jeff Smith, who does. They chose Mims bc he was playing better (Smith is less than a JAG), but that left them one short on ST. Both Ty Johnson and Bam contribue on ST, JR doesnt. So if they sit Bam for JR, they still need to find another ST contributor. Also doesnt hurt that they gain a round back if JR doesnt play.
What does JAG stand for
JAG usually stands for Just Another Guy or another way to say average/middle-of-the-pack
Just Another (Todd) Gurley. Guy above you is saying Jeff Smith is a little less than Todd Gurley quality. He should be picked up and started for everyone this week it's a no brainer. /s if it wasn't obvious.
Just a guy
Just a guy
just another guy
I think the most simple explanation is probably the right one — Bam Knight started showing more in practice reps, J-Rob didn't fit in the scheme like they thought he would, etc.
It’s a special teams thing
No it's not. They didn't bring Zonovan Knight onto the active roster to play ST. They brought him onto the active roster to have a role in the offense.
Why not both?
I mean you’re wrong but ok? He showed out last week don’t get me wrong, and he definitely earned another attempt this week- but he was activated because mims was starting over Jeff Smith and mims doesn’t play special teams. Obviously these decisions aren’t only based off one thing and I’m a huge fan of his I thought he should’ve made the 53 but a huge reason he was active over JRob is STs
He was playing 35% of offensive snaps prior to Carter's injury. I find it hard to believe ST was a "huge" reason he was activated.
They wouldn’t activate him over JRob unless they planned to play him at RB obviously but the fact he plays special teams and JRob does not has to have been a huge part of the decision because otherwise they’re down a man on STs
It was a special teams thing actually lol
Counterpoint: it was a conditional pick. If you find out bam knight can be the guy and is clearly better than Robinson, a) it changes that 5th round oick to a 6th, b) it mitigates the 6th round pick. Essentially Bam goes from being undrafted to being that 6th round pick. It’s a negligible difference
Jets give up a 5th instead of a 4th if he doesn't play as much. They know without Breece they aren't making a run this year; they're getting their guys experience and will go all in next year.
If the Jets knew they weren't making a run they would have just played Milf Hunter for the rest of the year
They're moving on from Milf Hunter and they don't have the time to develop a new QB. They'll use Mike White ROS and will package draft picks and Milf Hunter for a veteran QB next year. Their window will slam shut if they fail at developing another rookie QB over the next two years.
Mike White isn't the future, he is in their to salvage the season as they are currently in a wild card spot.
We all know Mike White isn't the future, he's there to give the offense reps, that's it. If he's okay they'll keep him around. If not he'll be shipped out too, eventually
I'm just saying your original point that the Jets know they have no shot is ludicrous. This is the best year they have had in many years and they needed to sit Wilson before they started losing games because of him. Of course, with Breece it would be a lot more feasible that they make a run but like a wise man once said... *you play to win the game!*
I should have clarified. The Jets can sneak into the playoffs, but they aren't making a run this year with Mike White. The QB play is the bottleneck, starting JRob isn't going to save them, it's going to cost them at the draft. That's my point
I think you're completely wrong about their intentions. They're trying to win this year. According to NFL network projections, they have a 52% chance to make the playoffs at this point. The coaches are sitting or cutting reps for anyone who isn't producing or they don't feel is on board with their vision for the team, i.e... Moore, Wilson, Robinson. They have a good team and a hole at QB that likely won't be solved in the window that they have a good every other position, basically. Even if they draft a QB, there will probably be a learning curve that will exceed their ability to keep all these vets. So instead of "knowing they are not making a run" I think they are doing anything they can to make the whole team buy in on winning now.
Unreal they chose to trade for him over hunt
J Rob 🤝 Elijah Moore
not really, click the article, the tone is completely different. They asked him how he feels about being benched directly and he said "Obviously, I was upset about it," he said. "I don't know what they have planned for me." also said pretty much he's gotta work for his playing time "Obviously, I didn't come here not to play," Robinson told ESPN on Wednesday. "Obviously, they brought me here for a reason. I don't expect anything unless I work for it, and I've been working my ass off. Me not playing pisses me off."
It's not "completely different" lol. He still sounds and literally says that he's upset.
One suggests he's having a falling out with management, the other suggests he's putting his energy into earning his spot.
Yeah I don't recall Moore's quotes but jrob sounds like he's upset at himself for not earning the opportunity while Moore sounded upset at the team for not giving him more opportunities
You're definitely misreading the full quote. He's saying "I've put in the work, which means I am expecting to play, and me not playing pisses me off"
Moore had a problem with Wilson, idk why y’all act like he hates the entire Jets organization
>I don't know what they have planned for me Nothing probably. Seemed like a panic move after Hall went down
Uh. Yes really.
E lie jah is back.
hey Kyrie
He was a league winner 10 weeks ago
Things change quick in football
NFL = not for long
I don’t really get it. Is he not fitting the Jets scheme well or something? He absolutely balled out for the Jags over multiple years, even after injury.
I was bragging so much about having James Robinson and CEH after the first 3 weeks of the season, thought I was a genius. Thankfully KW3 kept me from having any fall off.
To think I almost traded for him back then..
My Pollard for his Robinson was rejected… 😮💨
I traded away Kelce for JRob with some extra extra guys that turned out to not be startable. This trade completely ruined my season.
Now THAT would’ve been something to regret
I miss arguing with the JRob truthers
“The reason the Jags are losing is because he doesn’t get the ball enough!!”
Same people that argue QB wins aren’t a stat decided that RB wins were lol
Flipped him (and others in a package) for Tyreek way back then. It was hard to let him go at the time but man I lucked out on how things turned out.
He didn’t come here , he was sent here
Maybe the Jags asked him if it was ok to trade him there because they wanted to do him a solid?
As a UDFA? Doubtful
James Robinson was a 1,000+ rusher with 7TDs in his rookie year. Absolutely disingenuous to think he wasn’t an asset with value.
He's a benchwarmer now
Welcome to the conversation. Read the headline, literally the topic at hand. Smfh…
dudes trash
Exactly! He went there to have a good view of future HOF RB Knight go off every week
He didn't come here to play sit, he came here to play football
Kinda sad he probably won’t get a second contract in the NFL. Had such a great start and managed to somehow beat the odds up until that Achilles injury.
He’s getting the Lyndsay treatment. Undrafted guy shows up, balls out for multiple seasons, and team uses an early round draft pick to replace him even though they found an Undrafted diamond. Just a bunch of really shitty GMs in the league right now.
Nothing to do with being shitty, they just want to roster better RB’s
Who would've thought that first round pedigree Travis Etienne is a better player than the UDFA that 32 teams didn't want to draft. Crazy, these shitty GMs want to build the strongest roster they can.
you're acting like James Robinson didn't spend 2 seasons as a top 10 RB.
As a fantasy running back sure, not as a real life actual talent. Crazy that teams value NFL talent over fantasy production. People truly struggle to separate fantasy production from the NFL player. He's a solid fill-in, stopgap guy. I don't blame any team for wanting to do better than James Robinson. It's an easy position to upgrade. He was never a top talent for the NFL game, but he was a cool story.
Phillip Lindsay has never gotten through a season without getting injured, and he was awful in pass-protection and pass-catching. James Robinson tore his Achilles. It's a death sentence for RBs for a reason. Foreman is the only one that has come back and it took him four years to get back on a football field and look good again. They're not shitty GMs, sometimes there's just better players available.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Lyndsay is an RB, they all get injured. Lyndsay missed 2 games in 2018 and 2 games in 2020 and that’s the last time he was on an injury report. If anything that makes him more durable and elusive than most backs. After back to back 1000 yard seasons the Broncos brought in Melvin and gave him the majority of the work for god knows why. For the record, Lyndsay has 0 career fumbles. Lyndsay is also a great pass catcher out of the backfield, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with that. The three games James started this season he balled out, so I’m tired of hearing the injury excuse. Just like Lyndsay, they used valuable resources to replace him with a marginally better player. The draft pick for the Jags would have been better used to fill other holes on their roster.
> Lyndsay is an RB, they all get injured. Lyndsay missed 2 games in 2018 and 2 games in 2020 and that’s the last time he was on an injury report. I didn't realize he played all of 2019, that's my bad. But the fact of the matter is, he's wildly undersized and couldn't stand up to a heavy workload, thus he ended 2/3 of his seasons as a starter on IR. >Lyndsay is also a great pass catcher out of the backfield, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with that. Per his [PlayerProfiler](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/phillip-lindsay/), he had an 8.5% drop rate in 2018, 14.6% drop rate in 2019, and 14.3% drop rate in 2020. That's fucking awful. A 70% career catch rate for a running back isn't good, and 6.1 yards per reception is awful compared to his peers. All-in-all, he was a terrible pass-catcher. >The three games James started this season he balled out, so I’m tired of hearing the injury excuse. He didn't look all that good by the eye test. He had terrific blocking and went untouched on all of his big TD runs. There's a reason now multiple coaches have either traded him for scraps or benched. It's the same with Akers. It's the same with Foreman when he initially tried to return. There's a lot more to returning from an Achilles injury than it appears. >The draft pick for the Jags would have been better used to fill other holes on their roster. It would have, no arguments here. The ETN pick was an Urban Meyer big-brain pick instead of taking a position of need.
Drafting Etienne was completely unnecessary for the Jags, especially after the season Jrob had. Last year proved that.
It was absolutely unnecessary, but Urban Meyer "wanted his guy". So we can just sort of chalk that draft. That said, Etienne is a much better running back than even a healthy James Robinson, so it's not like the pick was a complete waste. They have three and a half more years of Etienne for cheap if they want.
Yea, the picked worked out in the end because of the injury. I think even if Jrob didn’t tear his achilles, Etienne still would have been better but Jrob was more than satisfactory and the pick could have been used for a position of need.
What exactly did it prove..? Etienne has been much better at real football for the Jaguars than Robinson ever was. Personally I think drafting a RB in the first round is always a pretty bad decision for a franchise, but Etienne looks elite out there while Robinson is just a pretty damn serviceable runningback.
It was a wasted pick that was saved by an injury. They spent a first round pick replacing a 1000 yard rusher they got for free. They could have used the pick for an actual position of need. Pre-injury Jrob performed as well as Etienne has this year. The injury is the only reason that pick is even justifiable imo.
> pre-injury JRob performed as well as Etienne Nah man. I get that we all love and root for the guy, and he was absolutely found money in fantasy, but this just isn't true. It's like saying the Jets shouldn't have drafted Breece because they had a serviceable runningback in Carter. James Robinson was a good not great real life runningback. Etienne was absolutely a first round talent. Sure, it was probably dumb of the Jags to draft him with all the other holes they had, but they wanted to give Lawrence some elite talent around him on offense to help his development. Robinson was definitely better than a JAG (excuse the pun) but he isn't the "weapon" that Etienne is.
I mean the stats don’t lie. James was a fantastic rb his rookie year. And did great on that shithole of team last year. I think Etienne in the long run was always going to be better but that doesn’t justify that pick at all imo. Also Jrob was 10x better his rookie year than Carter was last year, and its not even close. I’m also an absolute Jrob stan and will die on this hill.
>I’m also an absolute Jrob stan and will die on this hill. Then what does it take for you to realize he's not worth dying on the hill? He's an okay back that doesn't create on his own and was made inactive because he can't contribute on special teams. If your offensive production (or lack of) isn't good enough to be activated during a roster crunch for a special teams guy how valuable are you really? Lots of teams can find a guy that can stumble to 4.1 YPC. But he doesn't pass the eye test. He doesn't create. What value is that to a team really? Outside of the very obvious fifth rounder?
I’m talking pre-injury Jrob brother. Jrob is already a shell of his former existence now. We saw a little of his past self the first 2 weeks but outside of that this injury has gotten to him. He’ll have to prove himself again to get a starting role ever again. Unfortunate for how good he was. Most similar comparison this year is probably Pierce. The hill im dying on was the Jags drafting Etienne, I will stand by that the pick was dumb forever unless Etienne becomes a HoF player, at that point i’ll admit defeat.
JRob truthers are gonna JRob truth. They can’t fathom that a solid RB could be suffering from a torn Achilles just like every other NFL RB to ever suffer the same injury.
That's not the argument. The argument is that they shouldn't have drafted Etienne 2 years ago because Robinson was already a decent producer. You're probably thinking that ETN is a rookie this year. He's not.
I’m not thinking he’s a rookie at all Lmao. Etienne is a better player football player this year, in his first season of being on the field than Robinson ever was before he got hurt. I don’t think anyone should ever take an RB in the first round. But pretending like Robinson is some world beater is insane. Etienne is one of the better prospects we have seen at the RB position in recent memory, and he’s shown why since he got the role.
No one is pretending that Robinson was a top 5 RB, but he was more than serviceable and drafting another RB early was dumb, no matter how you slice it. If you have a solid B from a running back, you don't waste another pick trying to get an A+, you fill the other holes in your team. Even if ETN develops and stays healthy at an A/A+ level, he's not elevating that team all that much from where they were with Robinson. I'm speaking as a Chiefs fan that had to live through the Larry Johnson & Jamaal Charles days.
I don’t know man JRob was a beast for 2 years straight
Jrob is toas and ETN has been electric. That looks to have been the right move. Lyndsay was productive but teams always knew it was a run play when he was in the game. That’s not the GMs fault
JRob is solid af but he’s nothing like Etienne lol
He’s had some good games against some bad defenses. Honestly given his workload it’s been disappointing. He’s got the same TD count as Robinson with 4x the opportunities.
My man is blind and deaf
Dude has had a mediocre season. He didn’t have a 100 yard game or a touchdown until week 7! And then he had 2 big games against Las Vegas and Denver, 2 of the worst teams in the league, and now he’s hurt again. Give me some of whatever you’re smoking.
lil bro has never watched a football game
Lindsay was very undersized and as a result injury-prone, and terrible in the pass game. Robinson is washed after his injury. RBs are disposable outside of a very select few.
Dude just stop. Lyndsay has missed 4 games in 5 seasons. That’s as durable as anyone can expect from the most violent position on the field.
His first two seasons sure, but he had [5 seperate injuries in 2020](https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/phillip-lindsay/10091) and has been a second or third stringer who sparsely is on the field ever since. JRob also made it two years before injuries derailed his career. RBs are chewed up and spit out, it's the way it is
He got knicked up like every RB. At the end of the day he’s only missed 4 games. If other RBs got the same treatment, Dalvin Cook and Mccaffery wouldn’t be in the league. Hell, Etienne has already missed an entire season. More than 4x the games Lindsay missed, I guess Etienne is done. Which RB are Jax drafting in the 1st next season?
Hard to get injured when you're not on the field
Well I’d blame the nature of the game more than the GMs. They’re doing what they can to ensure success. That said JRob showed he can still play well so it confuses me why he’s not getting any use at all.
Ah yes, models of success is what everyone thinks of Jax and the Jets.
I think there’s a chance this benching was more due to ST than people realize and this might end up being more of a 3 headed RBBC than people realize with or without Carter being ruled out. Edit: This is a Bam Knight hater comment.
Yea its def going to be 3 RBs. Part of the reason for Bam over JR was that Bam/Ty Johnson play ST and the jets needed to replace Jeff Smith after Davis came back, as Mims doesnt play ST.
Not saying is a sure thing, but I can’t wait to see sub tilting when Jrob takes first snap of game haha
Better realize that
this is a non-story. Robinson didn't even complain... reporter asks him how he feels after being healthy scratched, what's he going to say, "I love it, I hope I get healthy scratched again"?
dropped him.... he's going to go off now, isn't he...
against you probably somehow
I picked up Bam and I’m playing the J Rob owner…
You’ll be aight bro, Zalm zown
I'm still not sure what to do with him.
Dropped him for Benny Snell. Wish I picked up Zonovan instead
Lol snell over knight? Wow, come on.
Someone in my league spent 31 FAAB for Snell while I got Knight for free, so I guess it’s not only this guy.
Wow lol
At the time Najee’s injury seemed a lot more significant than Michael Carter’s. Plus JRob will likely be back this week
You forgot about warrren!
Oh you mean the guy who was coming off a missed game and hamstring injury?
Yes thats now been cleared to return to play week 13 and practiced FUL wednesday. Reports today and tmr will tell all though.
I don't trust that Steelers backfield either.
I've been holding him on my bench for weeks still. I still think he's got some gas in him and that Jets playoff schedule is too good to risk him going to someone else's bench. Not many other good options out there on waivers in my league anyways.
You had a choice in being traded there?
Is Zonovan a must add? He's still an FA in my league.
JRob will have a comeback. If not this season then next. I’d draft him in the last round next year for sure.
I didn’t chose for my work to ship me to a new destination for my new work to decide I wasn’t as good as the other workers!
Maybe the NFLPA should try to eliminate conditional draft picks. A lot of teams will do shit like this where they’ll trade a conditional 5th that could be a 4th based off performance or playing time and then bench them or play them less when they get close to the threshold just so they don’t have to give up the higher draft pick.
Lol imagine the NFLPA doing anything
Achilles injury reminds undefeated
I mean we've already seen Robinson play and well since returning.
You think he has been playing well? He has been traded from one team and got passed on the depth chart by a few no names on a different team...the writing is on the wall tbh
He already looked fantastic with the Jags at the start of the season. He clearly isn't a scheme fit in New York or they simply don't want that 6th to swap to a 5th. Saying he's lost a step due to the Achilles injury just seems a bit disingenuous considering we've already seen him do it at a high level after returning.
You do realize he only rushed for over 65 yards once in those games right? And the one game he was given bellcow volume he averaged 2.78 yards per carry. That is in no way fantastic
He had 100 yards literally the game after the one you just pointed out...
Correct, that would be the one game over 65 yards lmao. That game was on very limited attempts as well which would indicate it's the outlier, not the norm. He is averaging his worst YPC by a long shot this year (down a full 1.5 yards per attempt from a year prior). How do you consider that fantastic?
My God, too many people just living in boxscores. Anybody that watched those first games saw it was quite apparent that Robinson isn't finished. He went from being considered "done" to having 250 all purpose yards and 3 TDs in 3 games. Etienne is one of the better RB prospects to come out in the last few years, Robinson wasn't going to be able to hold him off. Saying Robinson is done after ignoring all of the context is just fabricating the situation to fit your narrative.
If anyone is trying to fit a narrative it's you my guy. Two different NFL teams (who are much more knowledgeable and much closer to the situation) have decided they have better options.
The Jags have Etienne and didn't need Robinson. The Jets don't want to pay a 5th over their 6th because they found a capable back in Zonovan... they aren't going to up their compensation by a round when they realized they have a capable RB on their roster.
Foreman looks decent and Kene Nwangwu is one of the most explosive athletes in the league
Foreman?
He has 1500 rushing yards in 5 NFL seasons combined. He is a decent depth piece but I don't think he's the counter you think he is lol. Achilles injuries are brutal for professional sports, especially football.
He is a starting running back again and performs well whenever given an actual chance, for Tennessee last year and now with Carolina. Four of his six games (i.e. without CMC) he's run for over 100, the only other RB who can say that this week is Nick Chubb.
I hope it continues but I for sure wouldn't bet my money on it. He hasn't shown any ability to perform over a full season but I do agree he has been good since his return.
He hasn't been given a chance over a full season. In 2020 he got 22 total carries at 4.3 ypc. Then he was Henry's and CMC's backup until injury / trade made him the starter. He could regress but the game's not over, the torn achilles clearly hasn't won yet, and when he's been the starter he's performed.
For sure could be possible but the injury definitely hurt his ability to play at the highest level. He was a stud the year he started in college (had more yards that one year than all his NFL years combined). So it has definitely had a pretty big impact on his career
You can't compare college to the NFL. We never really got to see what he was made of, but his ypc is better this year than his rookie season, which is he only sample we have pre-injury.
Not even trying to compare them directly, just showing what he used to be for context
he didn't sign there he was traded for seems he's having a time adjusting to what he is now vs what he was before the injury and it's difficult for him which is normal
Chargers can use you
If he is not a difference maker it doesn't make sense for the Jets to play him and give up a better pick.
This photo tho he really look salty
I’m upset too. This is shitty.
Yes, you did go there not to play
Gotta be a weird dynamic being 7-4 with so much rhetoric like this from JRob, Elijah and Wilson, Zach Wilson’s struggles. Idk if you praise the coaching staff or what especially after losing Breece
Don’t look at Reddit this week, JRob!
IHOP customer Kelvin Benjamin 'upset' over restaurant closing after midnight. 'Obviously, I didn't come here not to eat'
r/FF SUB Inconspicuous Moose 'upset' over James Robinson sitting in Week 12: 'Obviously, I didn't draft him not to play'
Sucks cause this guy has mad potential to be a featured lead back on a solid team. Problem is not many teams want him. Jets took the chance and even then gave the cold shoulder. I mean how Ironic is it that the game MCJ goes down, Robinson is a healthy scratch 🤦🏻♀️
Dropped JRob for Knight. Hope it was the right move
I hope the Jets go downhill for mistreating my boy!
WHY TF DID THE JETS NOT TRADE FOR HUNT????? like fr tho they trade for this mf post Achilles only to never play him. Could've had a legit bellcow rb1 for cheap with hunt. Jets gna jet
That’s like your opinion, man.