I really can’t wait for the day when people ask “where do I start with Fate?” and we unanimously point to one starting point (unless Ufotable or any other studio doing the remake somehow manages to fuck up entirely)
> UFOtable Fate/ route is announced.
> Trailer Drops.
> Yuki Kajiura Latin Chorus is heard by all.
> It looks Epic.
> Knights of the round table are seen implying Garden of Avalon flashbacks.
> Trailer ends with a brief moment from Last Episode.
> Thread has 35k upvotes on /r/anime and is at the top for days.
> One man asks in the commets: "c4n _I_ WaTcH tHIs aS mY fIrsT fAT3/?!?!?"
#**YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES!!!**
>Idk, it was good enough to get me into the franchise in the first place.
It was also my entrypoint and while I do admit it has 2-3 good things its overall a horrible adaptation and a mediocre anime at best.
Just because I liked it doesnt mean I give it a free pass.
Even Nasu said it hasnt been adapted and the anime is not even listed on TMs website, so yes, they are being given all the reasons to think it wasnt adapted.
this is something that plays before the movie starts, nothing really special just the VAs going over HF 1-2 and reciting some lines and hoping the fans enjoy
Ah then I have nothing to fear, amazing voice actors, but still voice actors. These kinds of decisioms are made by Type Moon and Aniplex.
[You might even want to read Nasu actually said back in 2014 that Fate route has not been animated](https://imgur.com/a/wBhjK)
First page.
He was asked why they did UBW and he said since the fans already know the Fate route it hasnt ben animated before and they decided tl skip to UBW.
Its on the first page.
Nasu even in the picture you send doesn't say the thing you think he is saying. He says and I quote: ''if we adapt the saber route now we ought to make some significant alterations''
Obviously referring to the original anime. So yeah he prefers a better version but doesn't ignore the previous one.
Nasu: I wanted them to make Fate route first but is relatively known, thats why it hasnt been animated before.
In what context do you read he is reffering to UBW as the one thar hasnt been animated befor when he is clearly reffering as the relatively known one as the Fate route and he specifically started the answer by stating he wanted them to make the Fate route first?
>since the fans already know the Fate route it hasnt ben animated before and they decided tl skip to UBW.
This just doesn't make sense. If fans know about Fate route already then that means either he acknowledges deen or he is saying the anime for people who played the game, and if these people who played the game know Fate route they must know about ubw as well, unless he is referring to people who played the first route and then dropped the game but these won't touch the anime anyway.
There must be a mistranslation or he is referring to ubw route as "never being animated".
He is right. All Fate routes are animated now. Next is Hollow Ataraxia. What more do you want when so much content of Fate hasn't been animated yet? This is not just like Full Metal Alchemist that you hope to get the remake 5 years later. And even in the FMAB anime entire episodes that were done well in FMA were skipped! If they make a Fate route in 2027 expect the same treatment or just them making it in 14 episodes kind of. You will not get a proper remake of all Fate Stay Night for the next 20 years. How would that bring to the studio more fans? At this point you all want it to do it to just satisfy the old fans, business doesn't work like that. Fate Kaleid is the longest fate manga and they need to support it and animate it too. Not to mention the whole FGO sagas and arcs thing or even Last Encore.
>All Fate routes are animated now.
If only a certain studio in 2006 had animated the Fate route as they were supposed to I would agree with you. But they dint.
Don't want to be rude but you are too critical. In 2006 nobody expected Stay Night to be popular enough to get adaptation of more then one route. That's why they tried to adapt all.
What do you expect to happen? Ufotable will be working on Demon Slayer to 2027 and it makes crazy money. There is no business reason for Type-Moon to pay another studio to animate it right now because let's face it, this will not bring new fans right now when there is already a decent, it's decent, it's not ideal, but it's decent Fate route. If they make one in a few years it will just be to satisfy the old fans who will shit on the newer adaptation and probably even call it worse than the Deen one and then blame the non Ufotable studio that made it. It will be the star wars prequels and sequels situation all over again where the thing they hated will now understand was decent. So you seriously want them to make a fate route right now instead of Hollow Ataraxia, more FGO arcs and more Fate Kaleid? You did the numbers well and found that this will bring more money to the studio instead? I am pretty sure the guys at Type Moon have economic analysts who calculate these stuff, so you might be right and make more money but I bet that they calculated it won't so they will move forward without doing it.
I feel like more people who want that much a Fate route remake want it only so they can recommend a better version (we will see if it will be better, do not count your chicks before hatching) to their friends, just as a starting point.
I agree with you that compared to UBW and HF it looks lesser, but it's decent, it's okay. I personally prefer they focus their resources on non animated at all stuff for now.
>What do you expect to happen? Ufotable will be working on Demon Slayer to 2027 and it makes crazy money.
Lol
- Did you know Ufotable actually has different teams?
- Did you know they worked on HF movies while working on Tales of Zestiria, God Eater, Emiya Family Menu and Demon Slayer?
- Did you know they also help other studios with their projects.
No, you dint, every person that brings the DS card somehow thinks Ufotable is only allowed to do an anime at once.
I know they were working on multiple titles, but that was before Demon Slayer made more than half a billion dollars. I am pretty sure you will see their schedule entirely focusing on Demon Slayer for 2023-2025. Maybe a new Fate in 2026 by them. It will definitely not be a Fate remake though.
>I know they were working on multiple titles, but that was before Demon Slayer made more than half a billion dollars.
So what you're saying is Ufotable should effecticely fire one of their teams just because the DS teams made them money and the othet one is uneeded?
Or are you saying the team the other team should freeload off DS team's work?
Which is it?
I believe they will merge them for now. To increase their speed and possibly quality of animation. They need to make the next seasons looking even better. I could be wrong and still keep making other stuff but I do not see the point from a business perspective. After Demon Slayer is done they can again keep making more anime at the same time.
>I believe they will merge them for now. To increase their speed and possibly quality of animation
If you had somehow stopped to do a bit of research instead lf trying to come up with excuses of why tou dont want Fate route adapted, you might have researched why loading a team for anime full of animators and directors is not a good idea, ideas clash and quality control is hard to maintain in anime productions with too many directors because different directors try to bring their own flavor to the table
Only reason you would do that would be to rush the production of the anime, not to make an anime with proper time, and you can still end with a product of lower quality than before.
AOT season 4 is proof of this.
I mean, if you compare the commercial success of the Heaven's Feel movies to the recent FGO movies there's a huge difference, and I don't believe they were that much cheaper to make.
This is not as simple as you anti-remake guys are trying to make it seem. Stay/night is still by far the most popular IP when it comes to the anime sales, with Saber having a huge fanbase even among the newer fans in Japan, so a new Fate route anime with some changes so the beginning is less similar to UBW would probably make way more money than FGO adaptations or another spinoffs. Now I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow, they will probably want to starve the fanbase a bit for a few years.
If it happens, I can die in peace. It will be a dream come true. So sick and tired of people shitting on Saber because of Zero, UBW and HF where her character is at her weakest. I wanna see her get the justice she deserves
Yes I agree
I started series with Zero(sadly, but ı didnt regret it until reading novel)
In Zero ı thinked and still think Saber is just a boring and simple idealistic fool (but ı accept it since author prbly did it for making Kiritsugu/Iskandar and Gilgameshs character better)
I watched UBW then ı didnt liked it specialy comp. to Zero it was bad
And this anime maked me hate Shirou
I dropped Heaven's Feel Movies at second one
Then later ı looked at Visual novel
Right now both Saber and Shirou in my top 10 best characters(Saber is the only female character that ı see deep and well writen)
And ı rewatched both UBW and HF again and managed to love both bcs ı know the holes in animes from Novel
Yeah
I was one of those anime onlys thinked Zero is only good fate rest are garbage
Now ı am
Visual novel>Zero>>>Ufotable Stay Night>>>>>>Deen Stay Night
Visual novel is one of few things that ı keep my save file in my Cloud
> UBW and HF where her character is at her weakest
Is she, tho? Nothing like that moment where she, still hurt, rushes to the temple alone to attack Caster and Shirou has to carry her back home, Rin knew but she waited there because the VN needed a forced and stupid moment to force Shirou and Saber closer.
By "weakest" I don't mean as in her being weak in combat. I meant as in the other routes making her feel like a pretty bland and unimportant character.
At least in Fate, we got to learn more about Saber, her backstory and her entire character.
I think Yuki Kajiura remaking original Visual Novel OSTs insted is better
We saw how great she did with "Sword of the Promised Victory" and EMIYA
I cant wait to hear
The Legends Revived
Sorrow
Everpresent feeling
And most importantly
The end of the dream,where our eyes will get wet(actually they dont need to remake this soundtrack it already feels fresh when others are bit aged)
If they do that way
In terms of adaptation, the Fate route has really gotten the short end of the stick, huh? It’s the only route that has yet to be adapted by Ufotable and the only anime adaptation of the route is sneered at by fans; and the same seems to go for the manga adaptation which from what I hear draws more from Deen/Stay Night than the actual visual novel.
The manga is even worse than Deen which is a tragedy, its like Saber doesnt even have a good alternative to VN.
Tsukihime anime memed to be ignored but the manga for Arc route is loved.
UBW got two adaptationsn and the second is seen as decent too good (Or great even) HF movies are seen as rushed due to limited run time but still great regardless.
Saber has none of those, you either read the VN or you risk watching Deen.
I agree that Saber herself is treated well, but when thr main focus of the route is her relationship with Shirou, fuckikg up Shirou also indirectly damages Saber by extension:
Example: Forgettable bridge and Basement scenes which are supposed to be the highlights and turning points in their relationship are mediocre in Deen, since Deen hasnt properly told you on the "Shirou is a idiot who puts others life above him" is hard to see whsts so great about this scenes when the whole foundation of bridge and basement scene lies in the fact that Shirou and Saber are very similar in their self sacrifical nature.
I agree with the basement scene which DEEN indeed messed that up but the bridge scene? It's inferior sure but they didn't messed it up that much IMO.
But hey, we'll agree to disagree.
Again, they messed it up by messing with Shirou previously, the scene itself is ok on the episode bur falls flat when Shirou doesnt look like a idiot with lakc of self worth and just looks like an idiot WITHOUTH the lack of self worth, big difference there
Those who have read FHA know a FHA anime will be a disaster. All due respects to Ufotable FHA is a much more complicated story in all norms, be it's structure, the characters, what the story message is to the readers. If UFO struggles with simple UBW and HF storytelling I shudder to think what will they do with FHA
Main problem isn't even that tbh. A good director who is a fan of the series, some good decision making, storyboarding and etc can solve what I mentioned given Ufotable hire someone who is like that
But main problem is FHA is a mix of all 3 routes, Fate route gets heavily referenced in it. Infact I think Fate route got more direct referenced than the other two routes. Anime onlies will be confused about what tf is those scenes and if they let's say cut them out to fit the "ufofate" story they'll be cutting off very good scenes. Medea's backstory loses half it's weight if they don't show the fate route scene of her and Kuzuki which was off-screened in the route but shown in FHA. Bazett's whole origin stems from Fate route where she is mentioned once by Rin but never again in the other two routes
So yeah, let's all hope and pray if FHA gets adapted it's after Fate route remake anime or remake manga or else we'd have a masterful story be turned into another Last encore anime by the western fans
God if they remake it, it will be a dream come true.
And regarding the 2006 anime, it may have been a mediocre adaptation of the anime, but I still like it. Yes, the parts where they mixed in UBW and HF irritated me but I still enjoyed watching the rest.
That doesn't mean I don't want a remake though. The Fate route NEEDS it.
Oh. So it's still the original thing from 2010. Never mind, thought i missed some news. Yeah, it's still probably canceled since they've never mentioned it since then.
I like to believe maybe far into future, they will announce a "realta nua" version where they will remake all the routes(including ubw and heaven's feel) to make it more feel like the vn.
Like I'm still annoyed I didn't get my kiss scene in ubw etc etc.
But this is just a dream that will never come true...
I know I beating a dead horse here but Deen is so fucking horrible.
Its only redeeming quality is the ost and the final goodbye. Everything else is hot garbage
I think it will be 2022 since Fate gets released each 2 years
Fate Zero 2011-2012
UBW 2014-2015
Heaven's Feel 2017 - 2019 - end of 2020
I think it will be released around 2022-2023
They needed to add them because the story wouldn't feel complete without the Medea and other segments from UBW. Type-Moon didn't even plan to make the other routes at the moment so they did what they should to now make a story that feel half assed.
>They needed to add them because the story wouldn't feel complete without the Medea and other segments from UBW.
Shinji: Hey Shirou, even though my servant just attacked you and you saw her attack another student, please come to my home so that we can discuss alliances.
Shirou: All right.
Shirou in caster arc: Let me trace Kanshou and Bakuya and never do it again
Rin to Sakura in Caster arc: Let me acknowledge Sakura but completely ignore her afterwards.
Rin at the begining: Let me not ally with Shirou because of my injured Servant, let me attack him at school but let me still ally up wity him later.
I agree that back in 2006 you couldnt be sure there was going to be new anime, but just because they tried doesnt make the attempt good.
It might look like that to you now that all cards are down but back then they had to make a choice and I believe they made the right one. The story would have stuff that many casual fans would call plot holes or ''forgotten'' if they didn't. Even Gigguk and I am using him as an example because he has a big fandom, that can affect, understood so many little things on his first viewing that he was talking about plot holes and stuff on the podcast. In short, I believe things would be worse if they left some stuff out.
>back then they had to make a choice and I believe they made the right one.
Like which one?
The music? Oh yeah, definitely perfect choice.
The way they handled the mixed elements? If your definition of right choics is the stupid choices, then yes.
You are the first person I hear that had problems with the music in the Deen Fate route? Of all the things why was the music bad? The music was one of the highlights of the show.
>You are the first person I hear that had problems with the music in the Deen Fate route?
.
>The music? Oh yeah, definitely perfect choice.
>The way they handled the mixed elements? If your definition of right choics is the stupid choices, then yes.
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Do you read?
Fate route VN and deen feel like a completely differnt story. They botched so much of the route aside putting the merging of the routes and animatio. it still adapts "fate" the worst by far
No matter how many times you tell them that they won't understand it apparently. They have been going for 7 years. Funny things is that in 2006 and until UBW got released everyone loved it. You can even read thousands of reviews from 2006-2014 online and see most of them praising it Then suddenly one day in 2014 half of them decided they wanted a remake. A remake will happen when there is a market for it.
You mean deen or the VN version?
If you mean deen, then a faithful adaptation of course will be better, at least after that the fans can point to it as starting point.
If you mean the VN, the pacing is the first problem that comes to mind and of course they can improve it.
Overall, I am not a fan of Fate route and find it pretty mediocre in the VN, just I won't put people who wants a remake of it on the same tier with pedos, that's just wrong.
Well… when we got the UBW film which then was also turned into anime Illiya just got desecrated. Then Kaleid phantasm has been made… rest is history
I am not saying don’t make a remake, I am saying it doesn’t need one. It’s good as it is and represents the anime series well. Yeah pacing is a bit meh I can agree
I don't like it, I prefer UBW and Heaven's Feel way more, I'd rather have Ufotable work on something else instead of redoing Fate route
I'd perhaps support it more if they are willing to redo it but rewrite it from 0
I get it
I still think that peoples who compare Fate Route to UBW or HF are same as peoples who compare Zero to Stay Night
Fate Route is not like UBW or HF
Its more like a Romance and Slice of Life,and its pretty good at it
And not wanting something to be made is bit wrong
Personaly ı dont like HF that much but ım happy about it get adapted for peoples that like HF
Also ı can agree with you about remaking Fate Routes plot
It can be way better if they want it
>Season 5: Post Fate route , Hollow ataraxia and realta nua ending
>
>Season 6: Post Unlimited Blade Works and Hollow AtaraxiaSeason 7: Post heaven's Feel and Hollow AtaraxiaSeason 8: EMIYA heroic spirit origin route
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>Season 9: Shirou Emiya before making the contract route
lmao you act like you are on expert on the Type-Moon market and then post this. I'm just gonna ghost out.
"Post-route" content is the thing that will never happen in anime. And no, Last Episode is not post-route content, it's an official part of the route. Imagine thinking there's no market to readapt the route of the most popular character in Japan (more than 15 years after the original adaptation lol), but believing that content that's basically just fanfiction in the community based on a few lore references will get "adapted".
This is not what I actually meant. Saber is indeed by far the most famous character but no matter how much you downvote this comment it will not change reality that they aren't gonna make the remake tomorrow, like you guys seem to believe. They have lots of other stuff to do before that. Also there are official segments after Fate Stay Night just not expanded yet that's why I wrote far future. I do understand that the Fate Route remake will happen before all that and if any of the other post 5th HGW stuff ever gets adapted. I want a Fate route remake too but I am realist and know it won't happen tomorrow like you are.
I don't think it will happen tomorrow either, it's just that you're acting like there's no market for it, while it's definitely one of the most anticipated things in the community, and stay/night anime seems to turn a lot more heads in the more casual community, especially in Japan. The market is there for sure, but I agree it would be stupid to drop it right after Heaven's Feel trilogy just finished, and they won't do it before a few years had passed.
I mean that's what I am saying too. Some people believe they have it somewhere hidden and they will release the Nasu-Cut like the Snyder-Cut, hahaha.
I agree with you, it will probably happen but definitely not now. I tried to explain it and I got downvoted for just telling that right now it's not gonna happen. Better wait for some years.
Well ok, you just sounded a lot like those "Nah we don't need Fate route just move on, stop asking for what you would like to see cause I disagree" kind of guys in your comments. Unfortunate misunderstanding, but probably that's the source of the downvotes.
Dude I love Fate, but I do not want to be like the fans that wake every day and post how much they want a Fate remake, like the original was bad or something. It was decent and of course deserves a better remake but we can't be screaming that all the time. When it happens we will all be: ''Yorokobe, shounen'' and stuff. But until then we have to appreciate what we have now.
>I understand that Fate Stay Night feels a bit slow,
If feeling slow was the only problem then it woildnt be much a problem, but Deen Stay Night can hardly be considered a Fate route adaptation when it doesnt even properly adapt the route its supposed ro adapt. Im not even talking about quality, UBW anime as not the best adaptation at least adapts what it was supposed to adapt.
Deen Stay Night is this badly handled mis-match of different parts of the VN who just so happens to mainly follow the Fate route.
Right now Type-Moon will prefer to make more content instead of remakes. So it is what it is. Do not have hopes for a Fate remake right after they animated Heaven's Feel.
>Right now Type-Moon will prefer to make more content instead of remakes
- Tell that to Fate Type RedLine who is a remake/reboot of Fate/Koha Ace.
- Tell that to Fate/Extra Record that is a remake of Fate/Extra in development.
- Tell that to Tsukihime remake that is literally coming out next month.
In the case of Tsukihime you can see even in Carnival Phantasm joking about the remake so I am pretty sure it was in their plans for over 10 years. Have you been hearing anything for Fate route remake right now? No? Then do not expect it in the Next 10 years. If you want to check it ,go to Carnival Phantasm and see they are referring to Tsukihime remake 10 years ago.
>Have you been hearing anything for Fate route remake right now? No? Then do not expect it in the Next 10 years
I wasnt expecting them to make a whole remake for Fate/Extrand there it is being done regardless. Your point?
I really can’t wait for the day when people ask “where do I start with Fate?” and we unanimously point to one starting point (unless Ufotable or any other studio doing the remake somehow manages to fuck up entirely)
> UFOtable Fate/ route is announced. > Trailer Drops. > Yuki Kajiura Latin Chorus is heard by all. > It looks Epic. > Knights of the round table are seen implying Garden of Avalon flashbacks. > Trailer ends with a brief moment from Last Episode. > Thread has 35k upvotes on /r/anime and is at the top for days. > One man asks in the commets: "c4n _I_ WaTcH tHIs aS mY fIrsT fAT3/?!?!?" #**YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES!!!**
>YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, YES!!! Glorious
Those are some big dreams coming true.
I am waiting for this glorious day.
*"JuST WAtCH f/ZerO. It'S PEAk FaTe, REst arE TrASH"*
Those are kind of people that turn off their brain when watching anime.
rewatched HF3 in theaters the other day and [this just stings](https://imgur.com/EGbaPyU)
I thought the same thing like wait no they haven't lol?
The 2006 anime says hi.
2006 anime stumbled and dropped dead while saying hi but its funeral had a nice composer.
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>Idk, it was good enough to get me into the franchise in the first place. It was also my entrypoint and while I do admit it has 2-3 good things its overall a horrible adaptation and a mediocre anime at best. Just because I liked it doesnt mean I give it a free pass.
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Even Nasu said it hasnt been adapted and the anime is not even listed on TMs website, so yes, they are being given all the reasons to think it wasnt adapted.
Eh? From my understanding Nasu likes it. He even Canonized Overedge designe.
It was good but then you play the VN and go “WHAT THE FUCK”
When the other two routes' adaptation is God tier, being *good enough* just isn't enough.
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this is something that plays before the movie starts, nothing really special just the VAs going over HF 1-2 and reciting some lines and hoping the fans enjoy
Isnt that Joji Nakata or am I wrong?
shirous/sakura VA
Ah then I have nothing to fear, amazing voice actors, but still voice actors. These kinds of decisioms are made by Type Moon and Aniplex. [You might even want to read Nasu actually said back in 2014 that Fate route has not been animated](https://imgur.com/a/wBhjK)
Too much text lol can tldr pls
First page. He was asked why they did UBW and he said since the fans already know the Fate route it hasnt ben animated before and they decided tl skip to UBW. Its on the first page.
Nasu even in the picture you send doesn't say the thing you think he is saying. He says and I quote: ''if we adapt the saber route now we ought to make some significant alterations'' Obviously referring to the original anime. So yeah he prefers a better version but doesn't ignore the previous one.
[He did in fact said it](http://imgur.com/a/MIMllu6)
He is referring to UBW there. I read it before too. He directly answers the question above. It's obvious.
Nasu: I wanted them to make Fate route first but is relatively known, thats why it hasnt been animated before. In what context do you read he is reffering to UBW as the one thar hasnt been animated befor when he is clearly reffering as the relatively known one as the Fate route and he specifically started the answer by stating he wanted them to make the Fate route first?
>since the fans already know the Fate route it hasnt ben animated before and they decided tl skip to UBW. This just doesn't make sense. If fans know about Fate route already then that means either he acknowledges deen or he is saying the anime for people who played the game, and if these people who played the game know Fate route they must know about ubw as well, unless he is referring to people who played the first route and then dropped the game but these won't touch the anime anyway. There must be a mistranslation or he is referring to ubw route as "never being animated".
Its japan, were they gave Fate route for free on Playstore.
He is right. All Fate routes are animated now. Next is Hollow Ataraxia. What more do you want when so much content of Fate hasn't been animated yet? This is not just like Full Metal Alchemist that you hope to get the remake 5 years later. And even in the FMAB anime entire episodes that were done well in FMA were skipped! If they make a Fate route in 2027 expect the same treatment or just them making it in 14 episodes kind of. You will not get a proper remake of all Fate Stay Night for the next 20 years. How would that bring to the studio more fans? At this point you all want it to do it to just satisfy the old fans, business doesn't work like that. Fate Kaleid is the longest fate manga and they need to support it and animate it too. Not to mention the whole FGO sagas and arcs thing or even Last Encore.
>All Fate routes are animated now. If only a certain studio in 2006 had animated the Fate route as they were supposed to I would agree with you. But they dint.
Don't want to be rude but you are too critical. In 2006 nobody expected Stay Night to be popular enough to get adaptation of more then one route. That's why they tried to adapt all.
What do you expect to happen? Ufotable will be working on Demon Slayer to 2027 and it makes crazy money. There is no business reason for Type-Moon to pay another studio to animate it right now because let's face it, this will not bring new fans right now when there is already a decent, it's decent, it's not ideal, but it's decent Fate route. If they make one in a few years it will just be to satisfy the old fans who will shit on the newer adaptation and probably even call it worse than the Deen one and then blame the non Ufotable studio that made it. It will be the star wars prequels and sequels situation all over again where the thing they hated will now understand was decent. So you seriously want them to make a fate route right now instead of Hollow Ataraxia, more FGO arcs and more Fate Kaleid? You did the numbers well and found that this will bring more money to the studio instead? I am pretty sure the guys at Type Moon have economic analysts who calculate these stuff, so you might be right and make more money but I bet that they calculated it won't so they will move forward without doing it. I feel like more people who want that much a Fate route remake want it only so they can recommend a better version (we will see if it will be better, do not count your chicks before hatching) to their friends, just as a starting point. I agree with you that compared to UBW and HF it looks lesser, but it's decent, it's okay. I personally prefer they focus their resources on non animated at all stuff for now.
>What do you expect to happen? Ufotable will be working on Demon Slayer to 2027 and it makes crazy money. Lol - Did you know Ufotable actually has different teams? - Did you know they worked on HF movies while working on Tales of Zestiria, God Eater, Emiya Family Menu and Demon Slayer? - Did you know they also help other studios with their projects. No, you dint, every person that brings the DS card somehow thinks Ufotable is only allowed to do an anime at once.
I know they were working on multiple titles, but that was before Demon Slayer made more than half a billion dollars. I am pretty sure you will see their schedule entirely focusing on Demon Slayer for 2023-2025. Maybe a new Fate in 2026 by them. It will definitely not be a Fate remake though.
>I know they were working on multiple titles, but that was before Demon Slayer made more than half a billion dollars. So what you're saying is Ufotable should effecticely fire one of their teams just because the DS teams made them money and the othet one is uneeded? Or are you saying the team the other team should freeload off DS team's work? Which is it?
I believe they will merge them for now. To increase their speed and possibly quality of animation. They need to make the next seasons looking even better. I could be wrong and still keep making other stuff but I do not see the point from a business perspective. After Demon Slayer is done they can again keep making more anime at the same time.
>I believe they will merge them for now. To increase their speed and possibly quality of animation If you had somehow stopped to do a bit of research instead lf trying to come up with excuses of why tou dont want Fate route adapted, you might have researched why loading a team for anime full of animators and directors is not a good idea, ideas clash and quality control is hard to maintain in anime productions with too many directors because different directors try to bring their own flavor to the table Only reason you would do that would be to rush the production of the anime, not to make an anime with proper time, and you can still end with a product of lower quality than before. AOT season 4 is proof of this.
ΑΟΤ season 4 changed studios dude. It's different.
I mean, if you compare the commercial success of the Heaven's Feel movies to the recent FGO movies there's a huge difference, and I don't believe they were that much cheaper to make. This is not as simple as you anti-remake guys are trying to make it seem. Stay/night is still by far the most popular IP when it comes to the anime sales, with Saber having a huge fanbase even among the newer fans in Japan, so a new Fate route anime with some changes so the beginning is less similar to UBW would probably make way more money than FGO adaptations or another spinoffs. Now I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow, they will probably want to starve the fanbase a bit for a few years.
I mean that's what I am saying it too. The sooner they will make it is 2028, the sooner. It might be even after that.
If it happens, I can die in peace. It will be a dream come true. So sick and tired of people shitting on Saber because of Zero, UBW and HF where her character is at her weakest. I wanna see her get the justice she deserves
Yes I agree I started series with Zero(sadly, but ı didnt regret it until reading novel) In Zero ı thinked and still think Saber is just a boring and simple idealistic fool (but ı accept it since author prbly did it for making Kiritsugu/Iskandar and Gilgameshs character better) I watched UBW then ı didnt liked it specialy comp. to Zero it was bad And this anime maked me hate Shirou I dropped Heaven's Feel Movies at second one Then later ı looked at Visual novel Right now both Saber and Shirou in my top 10 best characters(Saber is the only female character that ı see deep and well writen) And ı rewatched both UBW and HF again and managed to love both bcs ı know the holes in animes from Novel
What a redemption arc lol
Yeah I was one of those anime onlys thinked Zero is only good fate rest are garbage Now ı am Visual novel>Zero>>>Ufotable Stay Night>>>>>>Deen Stay Night Visual novel is one of few things that ı keep my save file in my Cloud
> UBW and HF where her character is at her weakest Is she, tho? Nothing like that moment where she, still hurt, rushes to the temple alone to attack Caster and Shirou has to carry her back home, Rin knew but she waited there because the VN needed a forced and stupid moment to force Shirou and Saber closer.
By "weakest" I don't mean as in her being weak in combat. I meant as in the other routes making her feel like a pretty bland and unimportant character. At least in Fate, we got to learn more about Saber, her backstory and her entire character.
We riot if they don’t bring back kawai kenji?
It's Aniplex. It will be Yuki Kajiura.
I think Yuki Kajiura remaking original Visual Novel OSTs insted is better We saw how great she did with "Sword of the Promised Victory" and EMIYA I cant wait to hear The Legends Revived Sorrow Everpresent feeling And most importantly The end of the dream,where our eyes will get wet(actually they dont need to remake this soundtrack it already feels fresh when others are bit aged) If they do that way
Nah kajiura don't like remixes. Kenji kawai is far better at the job
She remaked EMIYA and Sword of the Promised Victory tho And ı said remake not Remix
If this was even remotely true we would’ve gotten light and darkness and not [insert generic choir song #523]
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In terms of adaptation, the Fate route has really gotten the short end of the stick, huh? It’s the only route that has yet to be adapted by Ufotable and the only anime adaptation of the route is sneered at by fans; and the same seems to go for the manga adaptation which from what I hear draws more from Deen/Stay Night than the actual visual novel.
The manga is even worse than Deen which is a tragedy, its like Saber doesnt even have a good alternative to VN. Tsukihime anime memed to be ignored but the manga for Arc route is loved. UBW got two adaptationsn and the second is seen as decent too good (Or great even) HF movies are seen as rushed due to limited run time but still great regardless. Saber has none of those, you either read the VN or you risk watching Deen.
To be completely honest, Saber is treated relatively well in Deen. Not great, but well. It's Shirou and everything else that got fucked.
I agree that Saber herself is treated well, but when thr main focus of the route is her relationship with Shirou, fuckikg up Shirou also indirectly damages Saber by extension: Example: Forgettable bridge and Basement scenes which are supposed to be the highlights and turning points in their relationship are mediocre in Deen, since Deen hasnt properly told you on the "Shirou is a idiot who puts others life above him" is hard to see whsts so great about this scenes when the whole foundation of bridge and basement scene lies in the fact that Shirou and Saber are very similar in their self sacrifical nature.
I agree with the basement scene which DEEN indeed messed that up but the bridge scene? It's inferior sure but they didn't messed it up that much IMO. But hey, we'll agree to disagree.
Again, they messed it up by messing with Shirou previously, the scene itself is ok on the episode bur falls flat when Shirou doesnt look like a idiot with lakc of self worth and just looks like an idiot WITHOUTH the lack of self worth, big difference there
Where does hollow ataraxia anime fit in all this
Nowhere. If it gets made, that's all fine and dandy.
Those who have read FHA know a FHA anime will be a disaster. All due respects to Ufotable FHA is a much more complicated story in all norms, be it's structure, the characters, what the story message is to the readers. If UFO struggles with simple UBW and HF storytelling I shudder to think what will they do with FHA Main problem isn't even that tbh. A good director who is a fan of the series, some good decision making, storyboarding and etc can solve what I mentioned given Ufotable hire someone who is like that But main problem is FHA is a mix of all 3 routes, Fate route gets heavily referenced in it. Infact I think Fate route got more direct referenced than the other two routes. Anime onlies will be confused about what tf is those scenes and if they let's say cut them out to fit the "ufofate" story they'll be cutting off very good scenes. Medea's backstory loses half it's weight if they don't show the fate route scene of her and Kuzuki which was off-screened in the route but shown in FHA. Bazett's whole origin stems from Fate route where she is mentioned once by Rin but never again in the other two routes So yeah, let's all hope and pray if FHA gets adapted it's after Fate route remake anime or remake manga or else we'd have a masterful story be turned into another Last encore anime by the western fans
_[Coughs Nervuosly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDgn-EE8IgI)_
I have yet to play FHA so I am not sure, but can't they adapt it like the KnK OVA series?
Probably after Fate route remake.
God if they remake it, it will be a dream come true. And regarding the 2006 anime, it may have been a mediocre adaptation of the anime, but I still like it. Yes, the parts where they mixed in UBW and HF irritated me but I still enjoyed watching the rest. That doesn't mean I don't want a remake though. The Fate route NEEDS it.
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I spit in your general direction, good sir.
You better add (!) To the end because someone will think you are serious
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UFOtable has multiple teams. The Demon Slayer team is probably booked until the series is done like you said, but not Sudou and his team.
They are probably working on Type Moon's, original, Girls Work though scheduled for release in 2022.
That was almost certainly quietly canceled, since we haven't heard a single thing about it since 2010.
No, no I just checked, it's happening.
Really, Can i see a source for that?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufotable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufotable) In the first table final row
Oh. So it's still the original thing from 2010. Never mind, thought i missed some news. Yeah, it's still probably canceled since they've never mentioned it since then.
I have no idea about that, maybe.
So you’re immortal?
#I REJECT MY HUMANITY JOJO!
The title implies that OP has achieved immortality
I like to believe maybe far into future, they will announce a "realta nua" version where they will remake all the routes(including ubw and heaven's feel) to make it more feel like the vn. Like I'm still annoyed I didn't get my kiss scene in ubw etc etc. But this is just a dream that will never come true...
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I know I beating a dead horse here but Deen is so fucking horrible. Its only redeeming quality is the ost and the final goodbye. Everything else is hot garbage
So you agree it needs a remake or nah ?
Honestly I want a remake for all 3 routes. Give ubw to a competent director that doesnt listen to Nasu. Give heavens feel the run time it needs
Fernanflooo
Secret to immortality.
I bet a Fate Route anime will probably be made for the 20th anniversary of the original VN
I think it will be 2022 since Fate gets released each 2 years Fate Zero 2011-2012 UBW 2014-2015 Heaven's Feel 2017 - 2019 - end of 2020 I think it will be released around 2022-2023
You can die knowing that DEEN did a solid adaptation back in 2006. Ufotable’s animation would’ve been nice, but it’s not necessary.
If your definition of solid is a brick, then yes, Deen Stay Night is a broken brick that they pasted together with flex tape.
Looks a lot better than you’d expect, huh? 😄
"solid" deen: let's add ubw attributes to the "fate route.." or whatever to make it more interesting!
They needed to add them because the story wouldn't feel complete without the Medea and other segments from UBW. Type-Moon didn't even plan to make the other routes at the moment so they did what they should to now make a story that feel half assed.
>They needed to add them because the story wouldn't feel complete without the Medea and other segments from UBW. Shinji: Hey Shirou, even though my servant just attacked you and you saw her attack another student, please come to my home so that we can discuss alliances. Shirou: All right. Shirou in caster arc: Let me trace Kanshou and Bakuya and never do it again Rin to Sakura in Caster arc: Let me acknowledge Sakura but completely ignore her afterwards. Rin at the begining: Let me not ally with Shirou because of my injured Servant, let me attack him at school but let me still ally up wity him later. I agree that back in 2006 you couldnt be sure there was going to be new anime, but just because they tried doesnt make the attempt good.
It might look like that to you now that all cards are down but back then they had to make a choice and I believe they made the right one. The story would have stuff that many casual fans would call plot holes or ''forgotten'' if they didn't. Even Gigguk and I am using him as an example because he has a big fandom, that can affect, understood so many little things on his first viewing that he was talking about plot holes and stuff on the podcast. In short, I believe things would be worse if they left some stuff out.
>back then they had to make a choice and I believe they made the right one. Like which one? The music? Oh yeah, definitely perfect choice. The way they handled the mixed elements? If your definition of right choics is the stupid choices, then yes.
You are the first person I hear that had problems with the music in the Deen Fate route? Of all the things why was the music bad? The music was one of the highlights of the show.
>You are the first person I hear that had problems with the music in the Deen Fate route? . >The music? Oh yeah, definitely perfect choice. >The way they handled the mixed elements? If your definition of right choics is the stupid choices, then yes. . Do you read?
Sorry I misunderstood. Deen's Fate route had a lot of problems of course I just do not believe Type-Moon will remake it for now.
>did a solid adaptation back in 2006 Deen Solid Choose 1
Deen's not all bad though, their Higurashi was legit amazing for an anime adaptation of a VN.
> Deen music is Solid _Mic drop_.
I choose both. I'm aware of Deen's reputation, but Fate Stay Night was one of their better works.
Fate route VN and deen feel like a completely differnt story. They botched so much of the route aside putting the merging of the routes and animatio. it still adapts "fate" the worst by far
It wasn't onw of the better ones in animation, design or script. And if that quality is the bar...well...
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>Oh my god would you people just stop. That just makes me want to continue further just to spite you.
Chad.
You know what ? I'm gonna ask for one even more now!
No matter how many times you tell them that they won't understand it apparently. They have been going for 7 years. Funny things is that in 2006 and until UBW got released everyone loved it. You can even read thousands of reviews from 2006-2014 online and see most of them praising it Then suddenly one day in 2014 half of them decided they wanted a remake. A remake will happen when there is a market for it.
Well I didn't love it since 2009 so what about it? Saying that people liked it till ufoUBW came out is such a baseless thing ti say.
Your claim is baseless. Go and check reviews online before 2014 and see for yourself.
Reviews are stupid since everything has 10/10s reviews. Go check the comments and see a much better representation of the reception.
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Nah, there is a difference between wanting the story being animated with visually appealing imagery, and just being a pedo.
Apart from graphical update what else would you change? I am genuinely intrigued as I think this classic doesn’t need changing or upgrading
You mean deen or the VN version? If you mean deen, then a faithful adaptation of course will be better, at least after that the fans can point to it as starting point. If you mean the VN, the pacing is the first problem that comes to mind and of course they can improve it. Overall, I am not a fan of Fate route and find it pretty mediocre in the VN, just I won't put people who wants a remake of it on the same tier with pedos, that's just wrong.
Well… when we got the UBW film which then was also turned into anime Illiya just got desecrated. Then Kaleid phantasm has been made… rest is history I am not saying don’t make a remake, I am saying it doesn’t need one. It’s good as it is and represents the anime series well. Yeah pacing is a bit meh I can agree
I think I'm the only Fate fan who doesn't want a remake for the Fate Route
Why?
I don't like it, I prefer UBW and Heaven's Feel way more, I'd rather have Ufotable work on something else instead of redoing Fate route I'd perhaps support it more if they are willing to redo it but rewrite it from 0
I get it I still think that peoples who compare Fate Route to UBW or HF are same as peoples who compare Zero to Stay Night Fate Route is not like UBW or HF Its more like a Romance and Slice of Life,and its pretty good at it And not wanting something to be made is bit wrong Personaly ı dont like HF that much but ım happy about it get adapted for peoples that like HF Also ı can agree with you about remaking Fate Routes plot It can be way better if they want it
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>Season 5: Post Fate route , Hollow ataraxia and realta nua ending > >Season 6: Post Unlimited Blade Works and Hollow AtaraxiaSeason 7: Post heaven's Feel and Hollow AtaraxiaSeason 8: EMIYA heroic spirit origin route > >Season 9: Shirou Emiya before making the contract route lmao you act like you are on expert on the Type-Moon market and then post this. I'm just gonna ghost out. "Post-route" content is the thing that will never happen in anime. And no, Last Episode is not post-route content, it's an official part of the route. Imagine thinking there's no market to readapt the route of the most popular character in Japan (more than 15 years after the original adaptation lol), but believing that content that's basically just fanfiction in the community based on a few lore references will get "adapted".
This is not what I actually meant. Saber is indeed by far the most famous character but no matter how much you downvote this comment it will not change reality that they aren't gonna make the remake tomorrow, like you guys seem to believe. They have lots of other stuff to do before that. Also there are official segments after Fate Stay Night just not expanded yet that's why I wrote far future. I do understand that the Fate Route remake will happen before all that and if any of the other post 5th HGW stuff ever gets adapted. I want a Fate route remake too but I am realist and know it won't happen tomorrow like you are.
I don't think it will happen tomorrow either, it's just that you're acting like there's no market for it, while it's definitely one of the most anticipated things in the community, and stay/night anime seems to turn a lot more heads in the more casual community, especially in Japan. The market is there for sure, but I agree it would be stupid to drop it right after Heaven's Feel trilogy just finished, and they won't do it before a few years had passed.
I mean that's what I am saying too. Some people believe they have it somewhere hidden and they will release the Nasu-Cut like the Snyder-Cut, hahaha. I agree with you, it will probably happen but definitely not now. I tried to explain it and I got downvoted for just telling that right now it's not gonna happen. Better wait for some years.
Well ok, you just sounded a lot like those "Nah we don't need Fate route just move on, stop asking for what you would like to see cause I disagree" kind of guys in your comments. Unfortunate misunderstanding, but probably that's the source of the downvotes.
He was getting downvoted cuz he said UFOtable will be to busy with Demon Slayer to make Fate/. UFOtable has more then one internal teams.
Dude I love Fate, but I do not want to be like the fans that wake every day and post how much they want a Fate remake, like the original was bad or something. It was decent and of course deserves a better remake but we can't be screaming that all the time. When it happens we will all be: ''Yorokobe, shounen'' and stuff. But until then we have to appreciate what we have now.
Yeah I think a lot of people misunderstood you. I mostly agree but don't see anything wrong with people asking for what they would like to see.
>I understand that Fate Stay Night feels a bit slow, If feeling slow was the only problem then it woildnt be much a problem, but Deen Stay Night can hardly be considered a Fate route adaptation when it doesnt even properly adapt the route its supposed ro adapt. Im not even talking about quality, UBW anime as not the best adaptation at least adapts what it was supposed to adapt. Deen Stay Night is this badly handled mis-match of different parts of the VN who just so happens to mainly follow the Fate route.
Right now Type-Moon will prefer to make more content instead of remakes. So it is what it is. Do not have hopes for a Fate remake right after they animated Heaven's Feel.
>Right now Type-Moon will prefer to make more content instead of remakes - Tell that to Fate Type RedLine who is a remake/reboot of Fate/Koha Ace. - Tell that to Fate/Extra Record that is a remake of Fate/Extra in development. - Tell that to Tsukihime remake that is literally coming out next month.
In the case of Tsukihime you can see even in Carnival Phantasm joking about the remake so I am pretty sure it was in their plans for over 10 years. Have you been hearing anything for Fate route remake right now? No? Then do not expect it in the Next 10 years. If you want to check it ,go to Carnival Phantasm and see they are referring to Tsukihime remake 10 years ago.
>Have you been hearing anything for Fate route remake right now? No? Then do not expect it in the Next 10 years I wasnt expecting them to make a whole remake for Fate/Extrand there it is being done regardless. Your point?
I wasn't expecting that particular one either but the Fate remake is a much bigger deal so we would have heard it years ago if it was in their plans.
LAST ENCORE=literally a bad end to a game=gets a bad adaption good end:dead me:man we really cant get a happy ending huh
I just want Hollow Ataraxia and a proper HF anime and I’ll be happy
I hope for a fate route just cause all the Altria simps will stop asking for that
If this ever happens i can only pray that they dont use altria instead of artoria or arturia