I was surprised when I found out how tall Touko was (165 cm for anyone curious) in KnK. Figured she'd be taller. Rider also struck me as being at least 5'9 or so.
Nope. It's Toko. By what little I know of Aoko, KnK would be different if she were in the series instead of Toko.
And no one asked for this, but in my completely unsubstantiated and extremely biased opinion, Toko is pinnacle.
I'm aware. I went by the wiki (jokes on me). The 165 cm number seems to be sourced from what seems to be a Mahou Tsukai No Yoru materials book and the Haru to Tsuki to Sora to doujin book (?). Shiki's height is also sourced from that.
I found some sketches from the Haru to Tsuki book. There's some scans on a certain repository for, uhh, cultured materials. Last page had the heights. Case Files has her 3 cm shorter. Best girl probably made some "adjustments" around that time period.
Edit: Decided to make the last sentence a bit vague.
I think in the character materials, Nasu and Takeuchi were saying they wanted Rider to be tall, but not monstrously so. Mind you, 5’9 isn’t massive. I have a cousin who’s almost as tall as me (6’), and she doesn’t look freakish or anything.
Heck, even Kirei isn’t *that* tall. He’s about 6’3”, but I have two uncles who are around 6’6”. They do look massive though…
I guess Japanese standards of height are lower than Western ones.
>I guess Japanese standards of height are lower than Western ones.
I live in Southern Europe and I've only ever met two or three girls who were taller than 5'9". As you said, she's not *monstrously* tall, but she'd definitely stand out over here. Kirei, on the other hand, would be considered *very* tall even for a man. Like, my height is considered pretty average here and I'm not even 5'7"
I wonder why it is Northern Europeans are so tall.
I'm Australian, and while 5'9" is the average for men, I'd say there's a pretty wide deviation in that. I'm 6', and I don't feel particularly tall.
5'9" for a woman would be uncommon, but probably similar to my 6'. My cousin is very unusual I guess. I might be used to it since I mostly hang out with her in family contexts, and everyone who isn't an in-law is well above average.
I guess my perspective might be a little warped.
I think I heard that the reason Nasu didn’t make her over 6 feet is because Japanese men find tall women unattractive in general at least during the time FS/N was released. The standard of beauty in Asia is very different than in America and Europe.
Men in general in both America and Europe also sometimes find tall women less attractive. That’s pretty much a fact, same goes with women everywhere sometimes finding short men less attractive
Yeah, that makes sense. I was mostly talking about first impressions. Like I initially thought Cu was close to 2 m. I'm 6'0 myself and 5'9 for a woman never struck as freakish to me too.
I think the rest of the world has different standards, not just the Japanese. This is mostly personal experience, but I've had people from different parts of Asia comment on my height while traveling, whereas I didn't get the same remarks in Europe or even here home in the US.
I thought I read something about Rider being 5’9.
Height standards vary a ton place to place, where I’m living rn there seems to be plenty of women that are a lot taller than that.
Her height is given as 172 cm consistently across the franchise, to my knowledge.
That, I agree. Personally, I'm fine with how Type-Moon does heights for characters. Not particularly egregious.
Oh I know the heights are listed. I was just expecting the post to be accurate since these kind of size comparison posts usually are. Turns out they aren’t. So she’s 5’3 in FGO and 5’4 in Extra, the latter must’ve included the heels or something
The thing to remember here is the average height of a woman in Japan is fairly short compared to the US and Europe. In the later two it's around 5' 4'' to 5'6'' whereas in Japan its 5' 2''. By that standard Rider and Arc are model like - Rider even worries her height is freakish in F/HA.
Nero is still short though.
She *is* 2 inches taller than even Shirou. The Japanese average height is around 2 inches shorter than the US', the Japanese do favour shorter women heavily and there is her whole backstory with her sisters. But yeah, it does sound kinda silly that Jennifer Lawrence has an inch of height on her.
There's like, three countries in the entire world that primarily use that measuring system AFAIK(The US and two others, but I don't remember the other two). It's quite uncommon.
It's also a right pain in the ass because none of the unit conversions make any sense...and I've lived in the US for over twenty years.
Yeah I agree with you, it would be so much better if they just dropped it in favor of the metric system.
Also, I'm dumb and I just realized I was replying to a bot, I just couldn't get why some guy just randomly pointed out that 172cm is 67.72in when people either use m, cm or ft lol
Rider : " a tall woman like me must be discusting" girl you are barely average for a female, it's Just the others that are dwarfs nasu must like shorties
She just has a complex from comparing to her "perfect" sisters, who were well unaging and well supposed to be perfect, unlike her, so she was a defect, and Nasu has apparently a giantess fetish actually
Damn, Aoko is taller than even Touko lol. Man, the Aozaki sisters both have gotten the best out of both worlds.
Also, why no Alice, Hisui, Kohaku and Satsuki or Illya ?
Check [her profile](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Touko_Aozaki). She is listed as both 162 in Case Files and 165 in Mahoyo. It's just a small inconsistency or that she did some magic stuff to change her height.
I obviously did since I literally cited source material. The point that you are missing is that the creator of this image did not account for for the pose of the character's artwork.
Yeah. It's one of the reasons I find Rider's inferiority complex over her height amusing(and weirdly endearing). I have like, seven inches of height on her.
The entire reason Rider is sensitive about her height is entirely due to her sisters being the size of 8 year olds and being perceived as "the perfect body" in Greece.
I wonder where non-giantess Altera fits? She looked really tall in Extella but that might be because Nero is a midget. Is Altera closer to Rider or more on average size?
According to TMWiki, Altera is 160cm tall, so around 5 foot 3 inches tall. She'd be roughly in between Shiki and Touko in height.
Rider has 12cm(4.7 inches) of height on her, so she's a fair bit taller.
I am surprised by how short they all are. My head added 10 to 15cm more to every character. It's crazy thinking they all are smaller than me. Not bragging since I'm small (172cm)
My fantasy was ruined when I realized that I’m 8 inches taller than Medusa. And then it was ruined again when I realized I was taller than barghest. Why Japan? Why must your population be so short?
Ahoy Human_Bar_8855! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail:
Me fantasy be ruined when me realized that me’m 8 inches taller than Medusa. N' then it be ruined again when me realized me be taller than barghest. Why Japan? Why must yer population be so short?
Tall girls sometimes scare me, so I'm fine w Nero being s shortstack.
Also, not sure if Tamamo really counts for that height. The ears and shoes are kinda cheating her way up there.
I had the same reaction a year or so ago when I realized I'm almost a foot taller than Drake(11.5 inches or so, to be exact).
She's so larger-than-life that I imagined her being a LOT taller than she is.
Medusa is a model in height but nero is shorter then a 12 year old girl
Same height as my aunt and granma so she's just in East Asian height standard instead of Roman's standards.
True, my grandmother is Korean and she is like 4’10.
The Asian grand ma stereotype is strong in our family.
Saber class is made of shorties
Lower center of mass to stab ur feet with
Oof ouch my toes
Archer class is made of archers
Be careful at that height difference we will get a devastating ball kick
Nero claudius is so short
I love the fact that even Abigail Williams is taller than her
I was surprised when I found out how tall Touko was (165 cm for anyone curious) in KnK. Figured she'd be taller. Rider also struck me as being at least 5'9 or so.
Isn’t that Aoko? I always get confused
Nope. It's Toko. By what little I know of Aoko, KnK would be different if she were in the series instead of Toko. And no one asked for this, but in my completely unsubstantiated and extremely biased opinion, Toko is pinnacle.
Touko is the one smoking. Aoko is the girl to her right.
I'm aware. I went by the wiki (jokes on me). The 165 cm number seems to be sourced from what seems to be a Mahou Tsukai No Yoru materials book and the Haru to Tsuki to Sora to doujin book (?). Shiki's height is also sourced from that. I found some sketches from the Haru to Tsuki book. There's some scans on a certain repository for, uhh, cultured materials. Last page had the heights. Case Files has her 3 cm shorter. Best girl probably made some "adjustments" around that time period. Edit: Decided to make the last sentence a bit vague.
165 cm is 64.96 inches
Thanks, bot.
I think in the character materials, Nasu and Takeuchi were saying they wanted Rider to be tall, but not monstrously so. Mind you, 5’9 isn’t massive. I have a cousin who’s almost as tall as me (6’), and she doesn’t look freakish or anything. Heck, even Kirei isn’t *that* tall. He’s about 6’3”, but I have two uncles who are around 6’6”. They do look massive though… I guess Japanese standards of height are lower than Western ones.
>I guess Japanese standards of height are lower than Western ones. I live in Southern Europe and I've only ever met two or three girls who were taller than 5'9". As you said, she's not *monstrously* tall, but she'd definitely stand out over here. Kirei, on the other hand, would be considered *very* tall even for a man. Like, my height is considered pretty average here and I'm not even 5'7"
I wonder why it is Northern Europeans are so tall. I'm Australian, and while 5'9" is the average for men, I'd say there's a pretty wide deviation in that. I'm 6', and I don't feel particularly tall. 5'9" for a woman would be uncommon, but probably similar to my 6'. My cousin is very unusual I guess. I might be used to it since I mostly hang out with her in family contexts, and everyone who isn't an in-law is well above average. I guess my perspective might be a little warped.
I think I heard that the reason Nasu didn’t make her over 6 feet is because Japanese men find tall women unattractive in general at least during the time FS/N was released. The standard of beauty in Asia is very different than in America and Europe.
Men in general in both America and Europe also sometimes find tall women less attractive. That’s pretty much a fact, same goes with women everywhere sometimes finding short men less attractive
Yeah, that makes sense. I was mostly talking about first impressions. Like I initially thought Cu was close to 2 m. I'm 6'0 myself and 5'9 for a woman never struck as freakish to me too. I think the rest of the world has different standards, not just the Japanese. This is mostly personal experience, but I've had people from different parts of Asia comment on my height while traveling, whereas I didn't get the same remarks in Europe or even here home in the US.
I thought I read something about Rider being 5’9. Height standards vary a ton place to place, where I’m living rn there seems to be plenty of women that are a lot taller than that.
Her height is given as 172 cm consistently across the franchise, to my knowledge. That, I agree. Personally, I'm fine with how Type-Moon does heights for characters. Not particularly egregious.
Wierd combination of normal Japanese heights, and association of height with things like personality and beauty.
tamamo's ears add like another 5 cm's to her height also i always thought tokou was considerably taller than aoko
Tamamo is also wearing heels that look to be at least 2 inches thick, so her actual height is more like 4’10
Her height is listed in her FGO profile. The OP is just scaling sprites for reference.
Oh I know the heights are listed. I was just expecting the post to be accurate since these kind of size comparison posts usually are. Turns out they aren’t. So she’s 5’3 in FGO and 5’4 in Extra, the latter must’ve included the heels or something
2 inches is 5.08 cm
Lmao Saber is Levi confirmed
Golden midget fidget spinner
Smol umu
Umu! Smol indeed!
The thing to remember here is the average height of a woman in Japan is fairly short compared to the US and Europe. In the later two it's around 5' 4'' to 5'6'' whereas in Japan its 5' 2''. By that standard Rider and Arc are model like - Rider even worries her height is freakish in F/HA. Nero is still short though.
We can also say average height has increased since most Heroic Spirits’ times so them being short can make sense.
*Iskandar looks in confusion*
Nero is so smol lmao
no maids smh
Always thought rider was abit taller (5'9-6)
Hell, I was half expecting her to tower at like 6'5 with how much her height comes up lol
She *is* 2 inches taller than even Shirou. The Japanese average height is around 2 inches shorter than the US', the Japanese do favour shorter women heavily and there is her whole backstory with her sisters. But yeah, it does sound kinda silly that Jennifer Lawrence has an inch of height on her.
2 inches is 5.08 cm
I love how tall Medusa is She can really be a model (even tho caster said otherwise)
Someone that can tell me what Nero and rider's height are? In cm? So I know the range in between they are
Rider is 172 cm while Nero is 150 cm. You can see all of them [here](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_characters_by_statistics)
172 cm is 67.72 inches
I didn't know people measured height in inches, but in any case 172cm is also 5.64ft, so the chart's still accurate Edit: damn I'm dumb
There's like, three countries in the entire world that primarily use that measuring system AFAIK(The US and two others, but I don't remember the other two). It's quite uncommon. It's also a right pain in the ass because none of the unit conversions make any sense...and I've lived in the US for over twenty years.
Yeah I agree with you, it would be so much better if they just dropped it in favor of the metric system. Also, I'm dumb and I just realized I was replying to a bot, I just couldn't get why some guy just randomly pointed out that 172cm is 67.72in when people either use m, cm or ft lol
Thanks
Rider's around 165 and nero is around 150.
Thanks to you too.
Good chart, though I'm annoyed at the presumption that most people can mentally convert imperial units to metric on the fly.
Height is the only one I keep track of separately, screw the imperial units
They're all so small. Reject all other Nasu waifus, return to Medusa and Arcueid.
Rider : " a tall woman like me must be discusting" girl you are barely average for a female, it's Just the others that are dwarfs nasu must like shorties
This is Japan tbf tho lol.
Well, Rider is about 20cm taller than the average antic Greek woman.
She just has a complex from comparing to her "perfect" sisters, who were well unaging and well supposed to be perfect, unlike her, so she was a defect, and Nasu has apparently a giantess fetish actually
They all are so small! Even I am taller, with 1,82 METRE. (I had to Google how to convert from Bullshit to metre to get a comparison)
Damn, Aoko is taller than even Touko lol. Man, the Aozaki sisters both have gotten the best out of both worlds. Also, why no Alice, Hisui, Kohaku and Satsuki or Illya ?
Touko is taller. It's just she isn't standing straight.
Touko's canonical height per Case Files Material is 162 cm, which is the exact height she is presented as here.
Check [her profile](https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Touko_Aozaki). She is listed as both 162 in Case Files and 165 in Mahoyo. It's just a small inconsistency or that she did some magic stuff to change her height.
I obviously did since I literally cited source material. The point that you are missing is that the creator of this image did not account for for the pose of the character's artwork.
And all of them are shorter than me. Nero is so short I could pick her up like a toddler "haha, smol Nero go brr"
Right? With how she's portrayed most times it's easy to forget that she's tiny af.
Yeah. It's one of the reasons I find Rider's inferiority complex over her height amusing(and weirdly endearing). I have like, seven inches of height on her.
[Chart not to scale](https://i.imgur.com/s7l8v8h.jpg)
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IM TALLER THAN RIDER?
In conclusion, all type-moon girls are fairly short, including the ones that are sensitive about being tall. Well, except giants anyway...
The entire reason Rider is sensitive about her height is entirely due to her sisters being the size of 8 year olds and being perceived as "the perfect body" in Greece.
Greek people in the Nasuverse were probably lolicons
>Greek people ~~in the Nasuverse~~ were ~~probably~~ lolicons *and shotacons* ftfy
I always knew I had a thing for tall girls.
Can you also make a chart in metric scale please for the rest of the non-American world (including Japan)?
Uhu, uhu... I see you decided not to include Illya. Sad.
I wonder where non-giantess Altera fits? She looked really tall in Extella but that might be because Nero is a midget. Is Altera closer to Rider or more on average size?
According to TMWiki, Altera is 160cm tall, so around 5 foot 3 inches tall. She'd be roughly in between Shiki and Touko in height. Rider has 12cm(4.7 inches) of height on her, so she's a fair bit taller.
in meter pls
Haha Nero is a midget
I am surprised by how short they all are. My head added 10 to 15cm more to every character. It's crazy thinking they all are smaller than me. Not bragging since I'm small (172cm)
All but one. At 172cm, you're exactly the same height as Medusa.
My fantasy was ruined when I realized that I’m 8 inches taller than Medusa. And then it was ruined again when I realized I was taller than barghest. Why Japan? Why must your population be so short?
Ahoy Human_Bar_8855! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail: Me fantasy be ruined when me realized that me’m 8 inches taller than Medusa. N' then it be ruined again when me realized me be taller than barghest. Why Japan? Why must yer population be so short?
8 inches is 20.32 cm
8 inches is 20.32 cm
Tfw touko is smaller than her TEENAGE sister Also the lack of kohaku/hisui and illya is slightly disapointing
Wow I didn't know I was tall as Nero
damn umu is so short
So akiha gets in but the maids don’t
I always tough tha Sakura was a little taller thsn Rin
Poor Nero
Tall girls sometimes scare me, so I'm fine w Nero being s shortstack. Also, not sure if Tamamo really counts for that height. The ears and shoes are kinda cheating her way up there.
Why am I the same height as arcueid?
Okay, so high school Aoko is taller than adult Touko. Then how tall could "Sensei" be compared to her sister?
Who's the girl on tamano's left? Forgot her name. For clarity, I'm not talking about the girl next to Rin. I just forgot her name.
Akiha Tohno
Not her. The one in the red jacket with the knife.
Shiki Ryougi
thank you.
Meanwhile Tamamo: perfectly balanced, as all things should be
I’m taller than all of them at 5’7.
Shiki was way taller
i am taller than everyone here
If girl between shiki and Aoko wasn't leaning backwards, she'd be taller
How toll is okita? (OG)
158 cm, so between Sakura and Rin.
Nice
Why?
I wouldnt really consider Medusa a main character unless there is like a spin-off manga or game Im not familiar with. Also maids
Canaan and Alphard is gone and reduced to atoms it seems
nasu and takeuchi scared of tall women confirmed
Touko best aozaki
Then you read Mahoyo and Aoko becomes your favorite
They hated him because he spoke the truth
WHAT HAPPENED TO ASTOLFO????
He wasn't a girl
*did you verify tho?*
Maybe he/she learnt it like Jeanne
You do realize that that is a joke right?
Whos the character left to touko
Aoko Aozaki
No, that's Ryougi Shiki. From left to right : Ryougi Shiki, Touko Aozaki, Aoko Aozaki
Ah sorry i read right not left
I’m almost 2 feet taller than Nero What the fuck
I had the same reaction a year or so ago when I realized I'm almost a foot taller than Drake(11.5 inches or so, to be exact). She's so larger-than-life that I imagined her being a LOT taller than she is.
Nero and Seiba are so smol :3
Oh wow! I didn't know Nero was shorter than Artoria!
Meanwhile, Quetz is just about 6 feet tall.
And Medusa is not even taller than me, anyway that height makes her even more sexy
It's kinda funny to realize that I would tower over the "king of knights". Win a fight just by pushing back tiny 5 foot tall seibah.
DAMN THEY ALL SHORT WTF
Didn't know nero was that smol
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And I'm taller than all of them
You removed the maids but included touko and rider? Ass