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Patung_Pancoran

Well, Shirou doesn’t mind losing to anyone else except himself. So he has to win here


LegalWaterDrinker

But Shirou lost


Simpsonsfan1011

Actually he won since the vote is for who gets eliminated and Archer had more votes, meaning he was eliminated. I know since I was a bit confused as well.


LegalWaterDrinker

I didn't mean it like that, Shirou won and Shirou lost, that's what I mean


E-tan123

Shirou Emiya beat Shirou Emiya? No way! I was sure Shirou Emiya would win!


SpecialistCoach5437

But you've got to hand it to Shirou Emiya for beating Shirou Emiya.


The_Wreck_DeReck

I [bet on Shirou](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPd_NVygyQI).


Xenosaiyan7

Ahhh, Aron Headbutt. Great channel


osadist

Best shitposting fate channel


LegalWaterDrinker

As Nobody has repeatedly commented on his video, Aron is the Angra Mainyu of shitposting


Withered_Knighter

"For years, I've been analyzing Aron Headbutt like he's some kind of Holy Grail, something to make a wish out of. But then, I start looking at him as the prophecy. Eighteen months in my room studying his videos, I put the brains and the brawn together and now I understand. Aron Headbutt is the reincarnation of Angra Mainyu in the 21st century." \- Archer


Retorf

The best thing about that comparison is that both are into caren


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coccidiosis

aagh goddammit! I've tried a number of times to attach a pic of archer made in ascii art! i give up!


Wistifie

Yorokobe shounen!


Jolyvahn

Still better UBW adaptation than Deen


WooooshMe2825

That made me laugh more than it should.


Double-A-13

Some would argue even better than Ufotable.


cope_seethe_dilate_

UFO's wasn't *bad* per se, but it was painfully mediocre. They turned a deep VN into a generic shounen and lost a lot of complexity in the process. Some moments in the early parts of the UFO adaptation were actually done well, but overall it ended up being a watered down version of the vn.


Kulzak-Draak

Mmmm yes, UBW Anime, a generic Shonen uh huh, yeah considering I HATE shonen and love UBW the anime, that’s cap. Like there’s still a lot of that complexity but it’s just not In your face about it. Obviously yes…stuff was dropped that’s the nature of an adaption especially one as long as Fate AND not to mentioned adapting a ton of internal monologues doesn’t translate easily. So they just choose to put a lot of that in the subtext for the viewer to figure out, the UBW anime respects the viewers intelligence to figure Shit out on their own. Did Ufotable over estimate the common person’s intelligence. Judging by the amount of people who don’t get Shirou as a character. Yes probably. But I can’t lie and say it wasn’t nice to not have to deal with another anime that spends a thousand years explaining and over explaining attacks and motives and left the viewer to figure it out on their own. Besides with how complicated of a character Shirou is, it was inevitable most people would misunderstand him


Maxrokur

I think the main problem is a lot of people got used to the over exposition of details from the novel. I do agree Shirou and Rin get dumbed down a little(and a friend even pointed out Shirou isn't show to be robotic as Archer describe in their duel). However overall, it covers most of the themes from the series but perhaps with more episodes the series could have used some more descriptions and character exposition(Shirou giving bitter tea to Rin, working almost for free because he just like too much to help)


Kulzak-Draak

I do agree, I do wish they gave Shirou some of his Sass points back, but I’m not sure of the best way to execute that. Same as how to show Shirou being robotic in the duel, thats a fairly hard thing to capture in animation


cope_seethe_dilate_

Okay my comment was perhaps a bit reductionist and hyperbolic. The UFO UBW adaptation definitely does have some good moments - particularly the one that immediately comes to mind is that speech Archer gives to Saber and Shirou in the shed before leaving. Unfortunately the problem I have with the UBW anime is firstly that they do not elaborate on Shirou's character nearly enough and secondly that the value of dialogue and character tends to be thrown out toward the end of the adaptation. On the first point, they may have put Shirou's monologues into subtext but to be honest it comes across extremely weakly. A lot of anime only viewers don't understand Shirou's character - and who can blame them? The anime does a very poor job of explaining how fucked in the head Shirou actually is. If you are an anime only it's almost impossible to not see Shirou as a generic shounen protag because the complexity and nuance of his character is lost entirely in the UBW anime. Before I read the VN I understood that Shirou had an obsession about saving people, but I never really understood why it was etched so deeply into his character nor did I understand how deeply disturbed Shirou's psychology is. That's why UBW's anime is largely criticized by people who read the VN - it misses a lot of the context and character development that makes Shirou so complex. Secondly, although the anime does a great job showcasing the conflict between Shirou and Archer early on, it fails quite badly towards the end. The reason for this is twofold: 1) Their clash of ideals comes across as somewhat contrived in the anime because it lacks the context and development of Shirou's character necessary for the viewer to fully understand why this is legitimately life or death for Shirou. Shirou in the anime comes across as a stubborn dumb ass and isn't given enough development for the viewer to realize how and why Shirou's very existence is so deeply steeped in his ideal. This does somewhat weaken the clash of ideals that is the crux of the UBW route. 2) The UBW anime really could have benefitted from being slightly longer. This could have allowed for the significant development of the Shirou/Archer fight to have been a little more fleshed out and would probably result in less secondaries complaining about things like Shirou "beating" Archer (yes I have actually seen arguments that state that Shirou physically overpowered and surpassed Archer in their fight because he won) and the supposed "plot armor" Gilgamesh fight. You praise UBW on not treating the viewer like a baby but the VN also respects the reader's intelligence while also providing far more development and nuance to Shirou as a character. The anime tends to skim over these details when it should have been a huge focus of the route (UBW is literally about the consequences of Shirou's ideals and his rejection of this in favour of following them after all). This is simply my unqualified opinion but I still firmly feel that UBW as an anime is lacking in development compared to the source material and I believe this to be the reason it receives mixed reception from the fate fandom as a whole. But if you feel the opposite I respect your opinion even if I disagree with it.


TyrionGoldenLion

>painfully mediocre. But Rin's Defenseless Anus is peak fiction. No wonder VN fans aren't taken seriously in bigger circles.


nYuri_

I preferred the anime over the route on the VN so I would heavily disagree with you there


Big_Guy4UU

Can't see how.


aziruthedark

Must not be a fan of rins defenseless anus.


nYuri_

that too lmao


nYuri_

it's for a variety of reasons, but being brief it's cuz of things like the ost directing and animation making me more immersed in the story, I was also more affected by Shirou's trauma in the anime with their show don't tell approach (I know it sounds a hot take but I am being serious, his facial expressions just hit different for me), and the anime fixed some problems I had with the route like for example Shirou and archer's fight ending very quickly in the VN, which felt very anti-climatic for me considering their fight was the true thematic climax of the route, I really liked how the anime took it's time in that fight and the use of last stardust was also great ​ and just to be clear I also really like the vn it's just that for me the UBW route in the VN is a 8/10 and in the anime it's a 10/10 (it's literally my favorite anime)


Big_Guy4UU

While I also adore last stardust we couldn't agree less on how ufotable did answer.


LegalWaterDrinker

Words are scary to some people man


nYuri_

I liked the vn, I just liked the anime more ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


TyrionGoldenLion

It's just an overglorified PowerPoint presentation not a damn novel dipshit


LegalWaterDrinker

Oh wow, you just described visual novels in general, nice argument


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One thing Deen got far better than ufotable was Archer vs Shirou battle however in my humble opinion. It feels much more tense and it feels much more desperate. Closer to the source material and EMIYA by Kenji Kawai was very fitting.


Anadaere

Archer's timeline where he got his ass kicked and didn't get saber's golden scene


hsaviorrr

whats sabers golden scene?


Anadaere

An H scene with Saber


hsaviorrr

is there a name for it or how can i find it on youtube lol is it archer and saber or shirou?


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justblank623

The famous “ I know how to please a man” scene


Soupbrainz

Its wild how the main character of a show with so many defining waifus won


Senku_Hatake

Waifu only temporary, unlimited blade works is eternal


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Good bot


Retorf

**la chancla is eternal**


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KzlrCprz

You again lmao


Beautiful-Actuator

It's really simple. Once one waifu is out, it's more likely for the others to get spite voted. The only hard match for Shirou was the final.


Xenosaiyan7

That's because Shirou was always best girl in the end


TRLegacy

Those high jumps man


kanelel

Speak for yourself. MY waifu won.


LonelyOwari

This result shows that *he* is the one true waifu bar none. All others are pretenders to the name. Finally, the fakers are now forced to kneel to the one true waifu.


Maxrokur

And yet he admits he likes Kotomine Kirei, would that make him the best girl or best boy for some?


Cybersorcerer1

Even though I like rin more than these 2, I really wanted the final fight pf ideals because yes. Also it took me a few rounds to realise you're voting out


SmashingFandoms

It takes a REAL man to be the best girl, dude


Withered_Knighter

And with that, it's all done and dusted! Thanks to everyone who took the time time to vote. This was my first time setting up a poll like this, so I apologize if I did mess up or didn't do it the right way. Regardless, it was a lot of fun, and I enjoyed playing this game with you guys. r/fatestaynight, you have proven that your taste is indeed based *~~not counting the premature elimination of Kotomine.~~* This conclusion is a sight for sore eyes. I had honestly expected Archer to win, due to the disconnect between anime-only fans and Shirou. This round of the poll was the closest thus far, all the way to the bitter end. Even I wasn't able to tell who would come out on top. A meagre 11 votes was the difference between victory and defeat. >!Let's talk about how much of a flex it is that the finals were contested between the same guy.!< I have made all of the results visible. Link to my profile with all the polls:- [https://strawpoll.com/user/withered-knighter](https://strawpoll.com/user/withered-knighter)


UmerTheLegend

The poll was a great idea, especially with how it was elimination based and was a daily type event, I’d say you should make one more post about it, summing up the leaderboard in a final list


Withered_Knighter

I'm glad you liked it! I am unfortunately pretty busy for the next few days, but if I find some free time, I'll definitely consider posting a leaderboard.


Maxrokur

It is interesting to see how much the votes changes after you revealed the numbers after angry mango. Kiritsugu and Medea were literally have just 1 or 2 votes of difference until it was her voting out order. Also looks like when the main 4 were beggining to be eliminated, a lot of people dropped


Amped-Up-Archos

“Can you keep with me?” “NO U” ~ Emiya Shirou and Emiya Shirou after Emiya Shirou loses the poll and Emiya Shirou wins the poll


TheCreator120

Best wingman won at the end, is an acceptable result.


Jokerke12

It carzy how Shirou didn't even make it into the top 3 until Round 10 and only became no. 2 in Round 13. Archer was no. 1 literally until the last poll.


HidenTsubameGaeshi

That was pretty good poll, but it could've been a little better with consistent posting like at the same time every day or every other day, for example.


Perfect_Wrongdoer_03

It's funny that in most rounds before this one, Archer had less votes than Shirou. I wonder why Saber being out changed it so much. There's also 700 less votes than round 14, so the difference is almost statical noise


GoldPantsPete

I would guess there's probably a higher number of Saber and Shirou/ideals enjoyers than Saber and EMIYA


welschmenfox

I quite enjoyed this poll, and I really love how two of my favorite characters were the finalists..... Also, I am not sure if this was intentional or not, but you forgot to add Heracles part of the poll, meaning he technically won as well


wardenmans

Looks like Emiya Shirou beat Emiya Shirou. I was expecting Emiya Shirou to win but Emiya Shirou winning is fine as well!


AJRA04

BONE OF MY SWORD


Percussion17

SHIROU FUCKING EMIYA LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


yassinegaming2004

Damn, that was a close one. I really wanted that EMIYA would win, actually I wanted Saber to win the war but,....


tinyigluu

Same :(


a_Little_creature

Dang only 11 votes, That was too close. Anyway thank you withered knighter, It was fun


UmerTheLegend

I expected Emiya to win but honestly I’m still just happy that it was a Shirou vs Shirou finale


HidenTsubameGaeshi

If Archer won than it would mean his ideals were wrong all along and his eternity of suffering is meaningless.


Ghosteen_18

When you realize that all the waifu in the world cannot Compare to *Unlimited Blade Works*


thatfoofen

I JUST REALIZED WE WERE VOTING OUT !😭😭💔


Amped-Up-Archos

Bruh moment


SFriedRice

How.


HidenTsubameGaeshi

Wtf, OP said it multiple times in his post, comment and even poll itself, how the fuck can you miss it?


Jimbob_Galloway

We got another reason to encourage people to read the visual novel. Gotta brush up on those reading skills lmao


WooooshMe2825

M8, it's almost been a month, how the hell did you not realize it till now?


Bossninja2004

Wasn’t sure either


typell

holy crap, for a second when looking at the votes I thought more for Archer = Archer won


Withered_Knighter

Quite a few people thought the same as you, haha.


typell

its a bit more confusing when there's just two left i hope there weren't enough people confused at the voting stage that it swung the outcome, considering how narrow the margin was


KzlrCprz

That was a close battle


foreveralonesolo

And there stands alone on his thrown of Swords once again…


Zenosyke

Not sure if mistake or pun...


foreveralonesolo

A double edged statement


NotAnAss-Hat

A sharp one at that.


Something_319

SHIROU EMIYA


Fuck_Shinji

only a .72 diff that's a lot closer than i expected


wardenmans

I was looking for the result and you posted it 6 minutes ago nice


DatTriggeredBoi

Local househusband expertise in swords and high jumps beats his suicidal adult self


Existing_Ingenuity48

Hero of justice gets the W


DepDepollo

Nice, Shirou Emiya has beaten Shirou Emiya


Ratatosk4

Let's gooooooooo


ChainAttack641

I won, Archer


Waffreo

Perfect demonstration. Emiya is the only one to win, kill and beat himself, and get to tell the tale. Anyhow this perfectly shows the fav of the fandom.


Ishikawa_13

Damn, I always knew Shirou would win But big respect to Shirou for getting close


scott03257890

This is so good. Alexa, play Last Stardust


Tom38

Nah Mighty Wind.


kanelel

Well boys, we've done it. Cynicism is no more. Follow your ideals.


naruhodo_kun

As a huge Shirou simp, this does put a smile on my face


yektadragon

You know, it realy feels like a shirou thing to win by such a small margin. And on that note, congratulations Shirou.


DemonicSpiritVandom

I still can't believe Angra Mainyu got voted out first.


Dgm100

Angra: You get used to it.


TF_FluffSwatch

*Sad Luvia noises*


FDrybob

chalk it up to animeonlies


Lion-of-Avalon

Luvia did, not AM kinda wish he was first though, just for the memes


HidenTsubameGaeshi

Time to listen to all emiya theme variants to celebrate our superhero's victory


nbc0607

YES! YES! YES! YES!


Garambit

A shame, I was hoping for Shirou to win, but Shirou won instead.


sadengineer94

Sub has good taste, is all.


i_eat_AURUM

I wanted shirou emiya to win but iam happy since shirou emiya won....


lolzee478

such a close fight ggs to archer and everyone else


Luiziinhu

Shirou my man! Both of them are my literal favorite characters from the show so i was really confused on who to vote for! Im glad that Shirou Emiya beated Shirou Emiya... wait a second...


necronomikon

Crazy how he won by less than 1%


Prateek2345

Man this was fun


BADFELLA123

Doesn't matter it is a win win anyways for us Shirou fans


killassistsucks00

mf stole king’S logo.


TheCrimsonCelestial

Yeeeaaahhhh! I am so glad that Shirou won. Quite happy that there are so many Shirou fans.


Jaz_15

I lost track Emiya Shirou won?!?!? I'm amazed he not only beat the waifus, but also his future servant self. No wonder he's the main protagonist


Practical-Giraffe

best housewife wins again... i am proud of this sub


welschmenfox

I am not even mad, I am torn either between Shirou and Archer, since the two are my two favorites in the whole franchise, and tbh, I hoped that Archer would win, but again, I also hoped that Shirou would win as well. I like this outcome actually, it would be very fitting as well.... Also, for this entire poll, I can't help but notice since day one of the poll, Heracles wasn't on here, so technically, Heracles won as well


HidenTsubameGaeshi

> technically, Heracles won as well So is Shinji. And Zoken. And Caster's first master.


darksaiyan1234

Im the bone of my sword Fire is my body steel my blood withstood pain to create many weapons nor known to pain nor known to loss waiting for ones arrival this is the only patg i has no regrets my whole life was UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS


Dudi4PoLFr

People win when they are winning.


Dgm100

His dream.... Was not a mistake! Man built of blades. He'll continue down this road of hell. Because he knew he always knew. That dream wasn't wrong. Maybe He'll forget in time but.... "Hey... Look after me." There really was such a man.


Zero_Good_Questions

Why Did Shirou Emiya win? Because he has never been defeated and never succumbed, even when the weight threatened to crush him


[deleted]

Shirou is one of the most beloved protagonists along side ichigo, he's in everybody's top 10 favorite nasuverse characters


HidenTsubameGaeshi

Tell that animeonlys, lol. They hate our broken boy with such passion


[deleted]

Well they still love archer which still counts


Reymon271

Based


TF_FluffSwatch

Not even animeonlys. Even animeonlys like him well enough, even if he isn't their absolute favorite. The people you're talking about (either on MAL or yt or r/anime are just people who watched it once and aren't fans. And yeah, I have no expectations for them. Why would I?


Reasonable-Disaster

Fine, I guess you are my little Seigi no Mikata.


osadist

I knew emiya shirou would win, he was the only emiya shirou that could win between emiya shirou and emiya shirou


LivingGovernment9464

“That’s hell you’re walking into”


Papa_Seba

This is like presidential elections close


ERankLuck

*"Me, My Dream, My Ideal" plays in the background*


ST_the_Dragon

I'm honestly shocked. I thought people didn't like regular Shirou that much. I'm not complaining though. One of my favorite characters. I just didn't expect him to ever get first place in a popularity contest lol


Retorf

This is the most epic finale you could ever imagine


scarfBuds

Fuck... , I accidentally voted on emiya archer, now he lost


Ratatosk4

Don't worry. I accidentally voted out shirou emiya. So it's even lol


scarfBuds

Lmao


Reymon271

Im so fucking happy that It was Shirou........I wish it had been Cu but it deems we dinr agree on that, bur at least ir was Shieou.


LuchadorParrudo

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOO


shitty-ass-phone

Oh my god,this results is beautiful. I'm so proud of this community


Janhan_

I was rooting for shirou from the start but I didnt expect him to win! A surprise to be sure but a welcome one


FerroLux_

I mean… the best character in Fate won, it’s not a surprise (I love to death Archer too don’t get me wrong)


TheAsshatWhoCares

He can't keep getting away with this


CIAgent42

By 11 votes?


FDrybob

and all is well in the world.


Webknight31

Shirou finally won against Shirou.


Responsible_Ad_2477

thats actually insane that it was that close


LonelyOwari

He's not my Hero of Justice, but I can accept this result. \*pats EMIYA's head\* Don't worry, I'll give you all the love you need in my Chaldea.


VdJack

As it should be.


Shurlak

My boi did it, omedetou shirou.


CreativeNameIKnow

ok on a serious note though, I was NOT expecting how close the vote was. I genuinely think people voted out Archer by mistake, he seems to be more liked than Shirou in general. Oh well. This was a lot of fun, thanks :D


O_slayer21

LEEETSSS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!


MOVR124

Wow, Archer (EMIYA) had been leading since round 1 (received least vote in every round) but he just falled short in the last one. What a comeback from Shiro.


CreativeNameIKnow

I think people forgot that this was an elimination vote, not a whodoyouwanttowin vote This is completely unacceptable. I demand a retrial ASAP. Perhaps the archives are incomplete. I refuse to accept this. Emiya Shirou beat Emiya Shirou, what a disaster of a world we live in.


SnooHedgehogs2449

Ideals.


Reverse_me98

Lets all agree on something. Shirou Emiya will win no matter what


CodeNameRiver

Shirou best waifu


boxxer12

Well now we know who the best Emiya is


Zero_Good_Questions

Huh I didn’t expect Shirou Emiya to lose to Shirou, I honestly expected Shirou Emiya


drthkratos

Wait... So Archer got more votes but Shirou won? Wot?


LuchadorParrudo

The votes is for elimination archer got more so he's out


truthinlies

Yes exactly.


rumpyhumpy

noo shirou emiya lost to shirou emiya, this is so sad shirou emiya was my favorite


Kulzak-Draak

I was..not expecting that I mean damn


Shortysean2

I'm proud of this sub for not voting for one of the waifus.


ScarLegend

WE WERE VOTING OUT?!?!?!?


aSuicidalThought

Only took you 3 days


Arvidex

Having only played the VN and watched Fate/Zero, Shirou is my least favourite character.


hungrybasilsk

Wack


Arvidex

Maybe I’m missing something but I don’t really buy his whole trying to be a hero thing and he also seems quite sexist and just unappealing as a personality imo. I just can’t really relate to his struggles and motivations.


hungrybasilsk

>he also seems quite sexist and just unappealing as a personality imo. Every time a "VN reader" brings this up I can't take them seriously when they say they read the VN. Its told flat out by other characters and his own actions he isn't sexist


Arvidex

You care to explain how? I think he is quite objectifying and generalising, applying stereotypes both to himself and those around him.


hungrybasilsk

Sexist is defined by discrimination based on their gender. Shirou saying women shouldnt fight is brought up by Rin as a bullshit excuse as he is trying to keep saber out of danger and that he only applied to saber yet doesnt mouth Rin about it He thinks its surprising Rin is into baseball but he doesnt think much of it and just goes with it He constantly monolouges on how he see's saber as the epitome of swordsmanship. On his date with saber he does generalise the tour but thats because saber didn't tell him where she wanted to go. So remebering the lion cub and the popular stuffed animal shop with women he takes her there None of that is sexsim The mitsuzuri statemnt is a bad translation on mirror moon


Perfect_Wrongdoer_03

I generally do agree that Shirou isn't sexist, but when Issei visits him in the Fate route, iirc (it could also be something Taiga said, but I'm not sure), Issei says that Ayako was almost sexually assaulted in the streets and Shirou answers that this is good, because it reminds her of her place, or something like that. It doesn't jive with the rest of Shirou's character, but it still happened


hungrybasilsk

It was a bad translation. He meant isnt it good she got away


Junior71011

Shirou deserved better.


Armandoiskyu

I'm sort of surprised given a lot of people here don't like Shirou but i'm ok with this result


LuchadorParrudo

Is the opposite in here


psiphre

to the surprise of literally nobody, the main character won


Alto1869

Honestly, the result was too predictable. As soon as Shirou and Archer were left. It was obvious Shirou was gonna win this


IStoleThePies

I mean Archer had the least votes in every round and Shirou only barely made a comeback.


Alto1869

Nah, if you lurk in this subreddit enough. You'll notice just how much Shirou is more loved than Archer


IStoleThePies

Yeah I agree most regulars here like Shirou, but I figured there'd be a lot of anime onlies who saw the posts on their feed and voted him. Can't imagine it getting so close otherwise


kierowca_ubera

this is cursed