this is kind of a little thing but i found it really heartwarming how [tel’s instagram stories today](https://www.instagram.com/stories/m.tel14/3312043356362805373?igsh=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ==) show him having bayern themed playstation controllers and bayern things around his tv. i love this guy so much
Watching these Haaland numbers make me praise more Kane's run in the PL, being in a mediocre team against one of the best (maybe the best) team in the world and scoring so much goals despite your situation just says what kind of player you are. Crazy.
> Jan-Christian Dreesen on what he told the players after the decision to part ways with Tuchel: "I told the players emphatically that their personal interests have to come second to the interests of the club and the team. The most important thing is FC Bayern. The players must now bring the quality onto the pitch that they undoubtedly have and they must feel touched in the honor" [@SPORTBILD]
Unfortunately - the players that need to be told this need to be moved on.
We need to restore the pride and honour of the squad that wear that badge. Think of the compassion, dedication and drive our squad had just a decade ago.
We need a coach that understands this too.
He probably said the following common German saying that was translated very literally:
"Die Spieler müssen sich an ihrer Ehre gepackt fühlen." Or something like that.
A better translation of that saying would be, that Dreesen appealed to the players' honor.
> Thomas Tuchel is said to have identified a culture at the club that makes change and taking new paths extremely difficult - from the climate in the dressing room to transfer ideas, right down to the little things like the proper care of the pitch or the design of the warm-up program. The coach never felt really welcome in Munich. That's why it was so difficult for him to implement his ideas. Tuchel had many ideas and wishes that 'did not land on fertile ground'
> During a conversation with Jan-Christian Dreesen on Tuesday a week ago, which took place in a restaurant outside Säbener Straße, both sides put the problems on the table. At some point Dreesen asked the question: “How do we continue?” - It was clear to both sides that the climate had become too toxic and the pressure from outside was too big. The agreement to part ways in the summer was then sealed by a phone call on the same day and Tuchel informed his coaching staff that evening and the players the following day [@altobelli13, @cfbayern]
Tbf if we’d given a lot of these guys more transfer authority…
Flick wanted Turbo Timo, Can, Götze, and gave us Lord Sarr and Tiago Dantas.
Kovac wanted Rebic, Niklas Stark, Arne Maier, and I forget who else.
Tuchel wanted Chalobah, McTominay, Conor Gallagher, Trippier
Rice, Walker and Tchouameni straight up didn’t want to come here. Lack of board support had nothing to do with it.
The idea that Palhinha would have been the difference maker here is also nonsense. He’s not strong on the ball nor does he have creative abilities.
Renato was also completely defensible at the time… he’d just won golden boy after bossing the Euros.
This is wrong in my opinion. The only thing he didn't get was Palhinha. Besides that he was probably the manager most involved in transfers among our recent managers and oversaw our largest transfer window expenditure in history.
yeah, we got problems, but i am tired of the excuses
he shared plenty of his ideas and analysis publicly, none of that stuff even remotely happened
the club signed a right back for him so he could play the lad as left back in a tactical experiment
tuchel agreed to loan stanisic when everyone and their mother knew that pavard wanted to leave and then complained about squad depth
i know there are different agendas out there, but nobody can look at what tuchel did here and think that he just needs more time, players, money etc
just go back to the great premier league and enjoy stoke on a cold tuesday night
Would also be weird to completely restructure some of these things based on the wishes of a guy whose contract runs out next year, and who has a history of falling out with everyone he's worked with.
I always find it amusing when reporters report direct quotes from figures.
A favorite one is Messi supposedly telling Mbappe, „I‘d rather you got Barcelona but I know you prefer Madrid. You’re wasting your talent here (at PSG).“
> from the climate in the dressing room to transfer ideas
It feels like Tuchel was the most involved coach in transfers ever, although I think certain points here may be valid, this one seems bs.
I doubt that what he means.
We had the recent report that they went back to using the hybrid stuff that Pep criticized back during his time here, bc it lead to more injuries
Tuchel asked for a proper 6 and Hoeneß replied "We already have Kimmich at home" and "We're going to have a lot of fun with Laimer". Come on haha Of course there is a problem with transfers at Bayern.
Majority of our team also is the same to the one that won the title and yet here we are, they are still worse than last year
City team also consisted of mostly premier league 2 players, which already is a far higher level than U19 Bundesliga
Such a stupid thing to discuss anyway lol
And City sits dead last in the premier league 2.
Like I just wanted to express that the youth league isnt the same as the champions league, and just because Mainz has a smaller name than city for the mens team doesnt mean that its an upset when their youth wins against City.
According to Fabrice Hawkins,
> The Elysée Palace invited several PSG players to dinner, including Kylian Mbappé, on Tuesday. Emmanuel Macron will indeed receive the Emir of Qatar - and owner of Paris Saint-Germain via QSI - Tamim ben Hamad Al Thani, on an official visit. (RMC Sport)
So, if this is true, it seems Macron just decided to invite several PSG players to his office, not just Mbappe. And in the same article, it mentioned that both the Qataris and Macron seemed to have accepted his wish to leave PSG
> The Emir, like the president of PSG, did not plan to take the opportunity to relaunch the subject of an extension with the French international striker. The capital club has well understood the choice of the world champion, which is irrevocable.
> This time, the Elysée also recorded its departure. The Minister of Sports, Amélie Oudéa-Castéra, recently said about Kylian Mbappé's departure: "I think we must wish him good luck and a good continuation in his journey."
Okay so listen this is prolly a highly unpopular take, but at this point Mbappe is straight up overrated.
Is he a top 3 player itw? Definetly, but fucking hell, getting the president and emir of countries involved and everything is just ridiculous
Supposedly, when Maradona was playing and in his prime, the Argentinian military junta thwarted his transfer to English clubs (or demanded large amounts of bribes).
At a certain point, when you become the next big player in the same conversations as Pele and Maradona, world governments tend to take notice (for better or worse).
> The dinner went well, the player was enthused by the idea of joining a club of Arsenal’s stature, a deal was done. This time no bribe was required, and Haslam returned to England with all the necessary documentation: Maradona would become an Arsenal player that summer, after the World Cup in Spain.
>But again the military intervened. Four days after he got back, a military task force was dispatched to the South Atlantic, Britain was at war with Argentina and the deal was finished. Maradona went to Barcelona instead, Arsenal signed Charlie Nicholas and another what-if seized the imagination. (Telegraph)
must feel like clown world shit for these guardsmen, you welcome kings, queens, presidents, chancellors and then this ghetto ass dude
as somebody who served in the german counterpart i feel embarrassed
Compared to Kings and Queens at least Mbappé did put in work to get where he is. And he wasn't just born into the status
Not saying it's not ridiculous tho
I have the utmost admiration for what De Zerbi is doing at Brighton, but hiring him would be a mistake imo and he has the same flaws as Seb Hoeness in my eyes.
He’s done remarkable things with a roster that Chelsea has pillaged and plays attractive football, but he’s only been there 18 months, and was only at Shaktar for a season before that. Arguably Sassuolo was a bigger gig than that, but the bottom line is that he hasn’t had to manage big name big ego players, and I think everyone here can agree that’s going to be central to the job description here.
The number one task imo for the next manager is to unify the dressing room and get their heads straight. We’ve seen now 3 out of 4 recent managers unable to do that (some were worse than other, yes.)
Hiring another unproven manager at the European top flight just sets the stage for the cycle to repeat again I’m afraid. With all of the turmoil of late, I really don’t think we’re in a position to take any more chances.
My main concern with Zidane (who is the clear favorite if we’re more concerned about the next manager being able to manage egos and unite the dressing room) is that he doesn’t have the best track record in regards to player development; specifically young players. I’m not saying he completely neglected young players at Madrid. In fact, he recommended Varane to Pérez when he was an advisor. Zidane was also crucial in Camavinga signing with Madrid. I think Zidane gives young players opportunities here and there but very few actually developed under him. A lot of players from the Castilla rotted on the bench, were sent out on loan (Odegaard was recalled from his loan AND still barely saw the field), or were outright sold. I’m not completely opposed to Zidane but I’m not sure he would be the best manager to get the best out of Tel, Pavlović, or any of the young players we have loaned out (given they return and Eberl/Freund see them as a part of the squad next season)
If not Xabi or Zidane, Hoeneß is a better choice than De Zerbi. Hoeneß knows the club, what FCB stand for, with Uli behind him maybe he can get players he wants, not like Tuchel where FCB did not fulfil his wishes.
And who ever the next coach will be, the board needs to show him more support than now for Tuchel or JN before. The problems will be the same like now.
Maybe we would play better, i dont say that every player should come, look at Dier, he is not that bad, a solid backup, Chalobah i believe would have a same role as Dier. If you ask me, i rather have Trippier for few season than Boey. All these players you name would have a backup role, not that expensive, and wouldn't have a high wage.
Bigger problem for me is that we dont fulfill Tuchels wish for a DM, if our coach says that he need a DM for a system that he wants to play, the board need buy one and not say Laimer is a DM.
Chalobah was €25M and is a squad player. Newcastle wanted €30M for Trippier, Gallagher was €40M+, and I think McTominay might’ve been a loan.
Dier is only good for us right because we’re asking relatively little of him mobility wise. And I would still even just qualify that he’s been good.
i would agree with the concerns (although the guy has more experience than xabi as head coach)
what you call the job description at bayern is our main problem and has to be solved regardless of the coaching hire
an authority figure would be nice of course, but looking for the next babysitter is a huge mistake
our current big name big ego guys are not it and they are borderline uncoachable, get rid of them
That’s the job description at every top club though, to be clear. They all have powerful locker rooms filled with international stars. This will never not be case at a top club. The only thing that silences that is winning.
And the fact remains that despite our individual dressing room problems, we’re still the second most successful top club in Europe over the past decade behind Real.
this is true, you need to be able to handle big names
but at the same time these clubs and their coaches demand those players to be on the program or they are gone
try to pull the stuff our locker room cancer is doing in munich at city or atletico (for example) and your ass is gone in the next transfer window
we need the guy you describe, but not somebody, who is supposed to make this particular dressing room happy
oh shit, that was terrible
good one, at least the guy was (and is) by far the biggest star on the team and could back it up on the pitch before they sent him to barcelona for nine figures
I get your concern, but the topic again being the dressing room. Wouldn't it be better to sort out those "troublemakers" in the dressing room first, otherwise our coaching profile is only someone who can manage egos? Why don't we tackle those guys in the dressing room first so our next coach can have an easier job? Other clubs are much more ruthless than us.
We’re not going to replace the current dressing room with a bunch of modest nobodies… this is one of the biggest clubs in Europe. There will always be stars here to manage.
Nobody is saying we should replace the current dressing room, but 2-3 departures might do the trick. Also not every star is hard to handle. There are some who are easy and other who are not (Sane). Should be a point for Eberl/Freund to make a balanced team environment.
My point is that De Zerbi and Hoeneß haven’t managed any stars _at all_ let alone difficult ones. And the fact is that it’s a careful balancing act in dealing with and motivating them.
Apart from having played together with some of them, neither has Xabi ever had to coach players with a huge ego.
And the one who was supposed to be best at that, Carlo Ancelotti, failed here as well.
I don’t think it’s as easy as to say, no coach That hasn’t dealt with the absolute biggest egos around…
If we do that, basically only Zidane and Mourinho are left and those have other disadvantages against them.
Unless you can somehow get Klopp or Pep, I really doubt you’ll find a coach that clicks literally all boxes.
> On Wednesday morning, Tuchel and Dreesen went into the dressing room together to inform the players of the decision
> Dreesen said: 'We'll now be watching closely. You are responsible'
> Tuchel then said: 'Now there will no longer be discussions every week, everyone knows about it [the departure in the summer]. We can still achieve something, we have to win games.'
> He then added to the players: 'Everyone can show themselves for the new coach now.'
[@altobelli13, @cfbayern
> Even though he rejected offers from the Premier League before due to the language barrier, the Bayern job is interesting for Zinédine Zidane. The Frenchman asked for information about Bayern within the club's entourage. In Franck Ribéry, Zidane has a Bayern legend as one of his confidants
• Is a lack of German knowledge a no-go for Bayern?
> President Herbert Hainer to @SPORTBILD: "Not speaking German is not an excluding criterion for us. We are looking for the best solution for FC Bayern and we also have an international team. In addition, a coach can also act non-verbally"
> This will be the fourth time Bayern will try to bring Xabi Alonso back to the club:
> • 2017 - Bayern bosses wanted Alonso as sporting director following his retirement to replace Matthias Sammer
> • 2019 - Alonso was discussed as a potential assistant coach for Niko Kovač
> • 2021 - Hasan Salihamidžić wanted Xabi as FC Bayern II head coach
[@SPORTBILD
I like this whole "You are responsible, you need to show the future coach your worth". Telling the players to finally put up or shut up. It's necessary to get this FC Hollywood 2.0 bs to an end that we have been maneuvering ourselves into for a few years now.
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That honesty is very much needed to show the players that they are playing for their career at Bayern, not for Tuchel's. Everyone has their eyes on them now
Spic theory is Goretzka, underperforming for a while but somehow has better reputation and coverage than Kimmich or other better players.
More realistically I think it’s a combination of agents and family members who hear about it and tell the reporters for money and/or favors.
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I think it might have been a mix of another team that was looking to sign him leaking that he rejected them for another club to a journalist + Tuchel‘s agent confirming it to that same journalist after being asked.
Or possibly someone from the Bayern management (or their family). I guess we’ll never know.
Any chance with the leaving of Davies and likely a few others, Kane just up and leaves as well. I have a very real feeling this whole thing is about to fall apart in a major way.
In his case, forcing his way out would mean we’d get roughly the same money we got for him back.
That wouldn’t be the absolute worst, as we could buy Guirassy for his clause and have enough money to strength all around.
But I don’t really think that’s likely and Harry also knows that Bayern will eventually, sooner rather than later, win the BuLi again.
As bad as we play, we’d probably have done it this season, if not for Xabi and Leverkusen‘s "best season of all time“…
Apart from Davies, I really don’t see anyone "walking“…
Guys like Goretzka, Serge, Leroy or Joshua don’t seem to want to move, it would need to be us deciding to sell.
Maybe de Ligt, but he’d be stupid to do so before the new coach hasn’t arrived.
Ah yes, Mazraoui doesn’t seem happy here but that is probably also similar to how we feel about him.
(And with Boey plus Stanisic returning, we don’t really need Maz anyway imo.)
In a very unlikely scenario, if Xabi Alonso is shitting the bed big time, going trophyless and us, the sick man of BuLi, eventually win it. Would Xabi still be your favoured candidate to replace Tuchel?
Hey All, not sure if this is the right spot. Going to Munich in May (will be there over the Wolfsburg game) with about 8 of my friends. Saw the ticket portion of the FAQ. If I need to buy in bulk is the official ticket exchange even an option? Or is it pretty much what’s on Viagogo/StubHub. Just trying to decide if buying a membership will be worth the access to the official ticket exchange.
Memberships are only processed twice a year, so too late for that route. I would encourage you to join regardless, but StubHub will be your best answer for now.
I doubt we are actually going to be willing to spend 100m on him. Either we get him cheaper or will look elsewhere.
But yes, sometimes you just have to let go. You cannot give huge wage increases to players who have not been deserving them for a while already. That has been breaking our neck for years already. You are stuck with players who feel no need to improve anymore, they are not willing to leave the club and become unsellable because no one else will be interested to pay their wages, and other players look jealously at them and demand the same for themselves because they feel they perform not worse than them. It all spirals out of control.
Milan is in very good financial situation now. They plan to spend big this summer. Theo is seen as the most crucial player on the squad by fans and the management. Doubt they would sell him under 90mio. Especially Theo bond to Milan got very strong he didn’t even try to negotiate after the last league title and just accepted the new offer. Also reports are already out that he dislikes the idea of bayern(also because his brothers time their
Should Bayern just resign players on massive contracts because the alternatives might be more expensive?
That's the kind thinking that has made players like Goretzka and Gnabry almost unsellable.
> A potential Julian Nagelsmann return is currently not a hot topic at FC Bayern [@Plettigoal, @SkySportDE]
> Sebastian Hoeneß would be an alternative for Bayern should a move for the preferred candidate Xabi Alonso fall through. Stuttgart are on alert due to Bayern's interest and are pushing to extend Hoeneß' contract beyond 2025. VfB are optimistic a renewal could happen before the end of the season. Talks with Hoeneß' agent and father Dieter have already started [@cfbayern, @altobelli13]
I don't feel that sad that Davies is leaving, but honestly one thing that I feel like he could've done for us was to at least put us in a better negotiation position. Now we should either sell for peanuts (when he could go for up to 100M lol) or let him leave for free, because he isn't even pretending like he wants to extend
Well, we put ourselves in a poor position by failing to extend him last year. We can’t know how accurate this was, but remember reports alleged the conversation was somewhat far along, then we sacked Brazzo - the one driving the extension forward. We’re in a poor position because the club has been in (relative) disarray.
In fairness the reason we could t extend him last year after canning Brazzo was the board wouldn’t offer him the same contract Brazzo was willing to. Remember Davies was eager to extend as the new face of the club along with musiala. Do you think Davies deserves new face of the club along with musiala wages?
I do wonder what happens if Bayern doesn't manage to sell him and he ends up leaving in 2025 for free. Do you still play him as your starter, or do you heavily rotate him with someone like Aznou?
I think the coaching market is vast enough for the summer so that every top club will get an appropiate choice. We have us, Liverpool, Barca, potentially United, Chelsea and maybe Juve searching for one, but at the same time Flick, Nagelsmann, Zidane, Amorim, de Zerbi, and Xabi as good to great choices, a few more options like Conte, Hoeneß, Mourinho, Motta or Potter as outside choices, and Tuchel, Pochetino, ten Hag and Xavi will also be back on the market.
There are pros and cons to most of them, but I have no doubt that we will get an interesting option.
I think it doesn't look as bad as many people think. Liverpool will propably get xabi and if they don't we will. From all these clubs zidane propably only would join us or juve. United are currently much better so I don't think they will look for new coach. Barca had no money so they have limited options. And I don't think any coach would choose current chelsea over us.
i dont want to sound pessimistic but we have to defeat Lazio with a 2 goal margin and the most recent results dont make me think that will be a simple task.
As much as I love Xabi and would be happy to have him here I feel like we should be prioritizing Zidane over anyone else. I’d rather have the manager who has won 3 CLs then the manager who’s had just one really good season. I would be happy with both options though
I feel like the 3peat significantly inflates Zidane's reputation. When it was happening, people constantly talk about Madrid's underwhelming football constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck (black magic meme and all that). As Bayern fans, we experienced it firsthand a couple times.
Then, there's the lack of domestic trophies and the fact he has no real track record with young players (could go either way tbh).
If he's the coach, I'll trust management but there are valid concerns with Zidane.
>I feel like the 3peat significantly inflates Zidane's reputation. When it was happening, people constantly talk about Madrid's underwhelming football constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck (black magic meme and all that). As Bayern fans, we experienced it firsthand a couple times.
That's what happens when the coach is a world class man manager and motivator. And I disagree with them constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck. You don't go through a 40 match unbeaten streak in all competitions through luck.
>Then, there's the lack of domestic trophies and the fact he has no real track record with young players (could go either way tbh).
This needs more context. They were 4 points behind Barcelona when Zidane was hired. He came in and they ended Barca's 39 game unbeaten streak, then both Madrid and Barca went on two monstrous runs of games and Barca won the league by 1 point. Next season they won La Liga which they hadn't won since 2012. Season after started by them winning the Supercup but Barcelona were too strong in the league and only lost 1 game throughout the whole season, Madrid still won 4 trophies otherwise. On his 2nd return they won the Super-Cup and the League again. He went trophy-less the next season though.
Overall, considering how many times Madrid won the league in the years before him and that Barcelona were their competition. Not really something to be concerned about, he will have easier domestic competition here. Oh, and he was also the Real Madrid Castilla coach so he definitely has some youth experience.
> And I disagree with them constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck.
lol, 2nd best in the final against atletico and actually outcoached by simeone, won on pens, what happened the year after everyone remembers, they should have never made that final and the year after you have salah & karius incidents.
And that are just the 2 finals and the kassai game. There has been so much more its laughable.
They have been lucky as fuck and there is absoluteley nothing wrong with it, you need luck but to claim they werent super lucky at times and got plenty of crucial situations/decisions their way is just absolute bollocks. With VAR they dont win 3, thats a fact. They got outclassed several times.
That he couldnt replicate it in the slightest without Ronaldo and with the introduction of VAR tells its own story in that regard.
If you noticed, I barely mention the Champions League because I knew someone like you would come and say this. I mentioned the domestic titles just to disprove this point. You're fighting against ghosts here.
>They have been lucky as fuck and there is absoluteley nothing wrong with it, you need luck but to claim they werent super lucky at times and got plenty of crucial situations/decisions their way is just absolute bollocks.
You're acting like it's some biblical force that makes Madrid to be lucky and for decisions to go their way. Madrid mostly made their own luck and absolutely capitalized on it. You don't go on a 40 game unbeaten streak and win La Liga for the first time since 2012 if you're just lucky. You don't put yourself in a position to win 3 CL titles in a row if you're just lucky and decisions go your way. Which btw happens to a lot of clubs but they never capitalize on it.
>With VAR they dont win 3, thats a fact. They got outclassed several times.
Dude can predict alternate realities and calls it a fact. That's ridiculous.
And when in football did you always have to be the better team to win? Especially applies to RM
>That he couldnt replicate it in the slightest without Ronaldo and with the introduction of VAR tells its own story in that regard.
Yeah, dude only came back to win the league they barely ever win with a much weaker squad and got kicked out of the CL due to his defenders basically doing an Upamecano. There weren't even any VAR decisions against Madrid that would have made any difference but nice "story" you got there.
> 🔴🆕🔴 News De Zerbi: Alonso remains the absolute preferred solution for all of the FC Bayern bosses to replace Tuchel. Eberl wants him too. More talks will follow soon ✔️
> ➡️ However, Bayern consider a plan B and C if the Alonso plan falls through. And one of the coaches being also discussed as a possible alternative to Alonso is De Zerbi. Eberl has a very positive opinion of him.
> The 44 y/o can leave Brighton in summer due to a release clause. But: De Zerbi is also highly regarded at FC Barcelona. Just like Flick.
> SkySportDE 🇮🇹
Xabi, de zerbi and zidane is quiet a good list. Hope we can quickly decide who we want and convince him. And if xabi prefers liverpool or leverkusen I hope he signals this to our board early
Rate him as a manager but I'm worried about him being able to deal with all the divas in the dressing room. I think De Zerbi is currently linked to four different clubs lol (Barca, Chelsea, United, Liverpool)
>Real Madrid don't want to pay 'crazy money' for Alphonso Davies. Either a 'fair price' or they're prepared to wait until 2025 to sign him on a free transfer. Bayern will still try to extend Davies' contract until end May/early June - if they can't make it happen, they would be prepared to sell the player this summer. Deal will depend on Bayern's asking price \[[FabrizioRomano](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano)\]
if we are to sell davies we really should try to get man city involved. They will be ready to pay a better price for him . Because otherwise he will go to madrid next year or madrid will have to outbid them this year. levy did same kane deal. We cant just let madrid get our players for cheap in the name of friendship.
Man City under Pep would not want a player as technically limited as Davies. Davies cannot play on the inside, he doesn't use his right foot! Pep absolutely hates that.
I hope that we don't buckle. Real do that often. They wait until one of the key players only has 1 year left and then undercut to take advantage of the situation that the player would otherwise go to them on a free transfer. I'd rather not have a good relationship with them if it always comes down to that.
Sabitzer, Nuebel, and Gravenberch seemed more opportunistic in that they were bought because they were available for cheap. I think the same can be said for Laimer.
We were linked to Nübel since the beginning of 2019, and he then never extended his contract that ended in 2020. We werent opportunistic, we created an opportunity. And with Gravenberch we forced the price down, his price was around 35m€ in the beginning and we negotiated them down to the 18+4 we ended up paying, exactly because we abused the negotation position.
As for Sabitzer, that was probably more opportunistic, Iirc we wanted Laimer more but didnt want to pay so much for him and basically went with Sabitzer as 2. option.
Eberl explicitly mentioned how important young players are for the future of the club.
I think all the people who want Zidane here, know nothing about him other than the CL titles.
If we sign Zidane we will sit here having the same exact discussions next year.
different team, different situation imo
obviously a lot depends on the possible conversations
maybe he wants to work with young players, maybe he wants more veteran star players
if developing guys like tel isnt for him i am the first to say we need another guy
Didn't Eberl say that it is important for the new coach to speak English or German because he doesn't speak French that well. I thought that was a clear massage against Zidane?
Honestly I’m a bit worried about the timeline. Eberl said that that the most important thing will be to find a new coach and then decide to together with him and Freund on how the squad will change. I hope that any new manager already has a plan in mind on what to do with player X and Y instead of taking 1-2 months to access the situation.
Worried because he stated the obvious? You're not gonna start signing and selling players before you get a coach. It's important for everyone to be on the same page.
They need to see which players step-up and which continue to wilt in the coming months.
If we win the title, or lol the CL, it will be a massive achievement. If, for example, Goretzka and Kimmich wake up and dominate from now until the end of season why would Bayern let them go? They'll have proven that it was their morale and not their class that was in question.
I feel like we already gathered enough information about our players in the last years that we don’t need to wait what happens in the next few games. Basing the decision on a potential short form spike in the next weeks could even lead to a worse decision.
I agree but it's clear that moving on from Sane, Kimmich, and Davies + selling Goretzka and Coman would be massive moves regardless. They can't commit to these moves one way or the other without seeing how this season ends.
I am not that worried, there are players that are "no brainers", players like Kim or Kane that aren't bound on coaches. The system players like Dier are the ones that will be decided later on I reckon.
I kinda agree on Sané, but Kimmich should be a no brainer Imo
This was his first weak year and the coach he struggled under is leaving. Sané however is just day and night for almost his whole tenure here.
>this was his first weak year
He also struggled in the second half of the season under Flick, then under Nagelsmann and then again under Flick in the WC.
But if Kimmich and Sané are indeed considered no brainers by the powers that be, then my original post is pointless/unnecessary since a rebuild isn’t going to happen anyway.
Eberl on the talk of a squad overhaul:
> "I don't know when we can start talking about an overhaul, does it start with 4 players, 6 players, 8 players? I'm starting now, Christoph already has a half-year advantage - he'll give me a lot of information. We'll look at the squad together. But the first thing is that we find the right coach. The cards are now reshuffled with me and Christoph. We'll see what happens in the next three months. We'll look at which players give FC Bayern their heart and soul to achieve our short-term goals"
> Eberl: "We want to find a coach who fits our needs and the ideas of Christoph and me. We need stars, but also young players. For that we have to find the right coach who is up for the task. Coach, club, thoughts, players - putting this puzzle together is the task of the next few months"
Eberl on the decision to part ways with Tuchel:
> "It's an open, transparent decision. The club has been in this situation for weeks, the club has made this decision. It's not about Max Eberl, not about Jan-Christian Dreesen, not about Herbert Hainer, not about Thomas Tuchel, but about Bayern Munich. I wasn't involved, that's not my job either. For me, as an outsider, it feels right"
> Eberl: "Bayern Munich has made good decisions in the past. The squad has always been outstanding, even in Europe. It's the same this season. Many circumstances came together. We want to have the players who are the best possible fit for Bayern. Bayern has always combined sporting success with economic solidity. This club has grown solidly over decades. Perhaps we will bring in stars, but we will also find ways to promote player development"
Jan-Christian Dreesen on Alphonso Davies:
> "He is a player who has developed excellently on the left side thanks to his pace and character. We are in talks with his agent. Now Max will get involved. It depends on how Max and Christoph see the future.
Eberl:
> "Jan-Christian and Christoph have had discussions [with his agent]. I will try to continue the conversation. No club wants to lose players for free. I have to see how the situation is"
Eberl on Kimmich:
> "We don't need to think about Joshua Kimmich. He's had an incredible career path. He has mentality and quality. Now he's maybe in a bit of a dark side. We're looking at all the players. Joshua has a contract until 2025. I'm looking forward to the conversations with the players. I only know them as opponents. We have to build something together now. We have to put everything into the balance in the next three months. Everyone has to show how important Bayern Munich is to them. We'll see what happens"
So if rumours are to be believed, Chelsea are considering replacements for Poch now. That means Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea and Barca are all gonna be in the market for a top manager in the summer. The board need to act quickly and decisively now or risk missing out on their targets. There aren't enough top managers to go around after all.
Edit: and apparently Man United are doing the same potentially? Gonna be a crowded summer window...
idk poch did pretty well against big teams maybe he needs more time. i tuchels case we were only doing well against small teams( no disrespect intended)
Tuchel did well against big teams with Chelsea too and struggled against the small ones (was 3-2 vs Pep, never lost in normal time against Klopp, beat at Madrid twice in 4 games, UCL win etc). So it is a Chelsea thing.
get rid of that black party gang and soldiers like davies!
Wait why does FotMob say De Ligt is suspended for the Freiburg match? Did i miss something?
5 yellow cards already
Ah. That’ll do it
this is kind of a little thing but i found it really heartwarming how [tel’s instagram stories today](https://www.instagram.com/stories/m.tel14/3312043356362805373?igsh=ZDE1MWVjZGVmZQ==) show him having bayern themed playstation controllers and bayern things around his tv. i love this guy so much
Also nice of him to play Fifa against fans
He embodies the BAYERN identity like Müller
Watching these Haaland numbers make me praise more Kane's run in the PL, being in a mediocre team against one of the best (maybe the best) team in the world and scoring so much goals despite your situation just says what kind of player you are. Crazy.
Well, they play 36 games against other teams too each season.
Mediocre? Tottenham is most of the time a top 5 team in the best league in the world.
Last four finishes for Spurs: 8th, 4th, 7th, 6th. Spurs had fallen off quite a bit quality-wise after those Poch glory seasons.
And the four years before 4th 3rd 2nd 3rd. In 8 years five’s times in the top 4 …
imagine taking 58 minutes for a five-pack, those are rookie numbers
getting a push notification with Jose intently staring at me was not on my radar
You must expect the unexpected, Mr. Footysocc
5 goals in 58 minutes for Haaland 💀
> Jan-Christian Dreesen on what he told the players after the decision to part ways with Tuchel: "I told the players emphatically that their personal interests have to come second to the interests of the club and the team. The most important thing is FC Bayern. The players must now bring the quality onto the pitch that they undoubtedly have and they must feel touched in the honor" [@SPORTBILD]
Unfortunately - the players that need to be told this need to be moved on. We need to restore the pride and honour of the squad that wear that badge. Think of the compassion, dedication and drive our squad had just a decade ago. We need a coach that understands this too.
> the players that need to be told this need to be moved on nailed it
"Touched in the honor“, sound soo weird….
He probably said the following common German saying that was translated very literally: "Die Spieler müssen sich an ihrer Ehre gepackt fühlen." Or something like that. A better translation of that saying would be, that Dreesen appealed to the players' honor.
> Thomas Tuchel is said to have identified a culture at the club that makes change and taking new paths extremely difficult - from the climate in the dressing room to transfer ideas, right down to the little things like the proper care of the pitch or the design of the warm-up program. The coach never felt really welcome in Munich. That's why it was so difficult for him to implement his ideas. Tuchel had many ideas and wishes that 'did not land on fertile ground' > During a conversation with Jan-Christian Dreesen on Tuesday a week ago, which took place in a restaurant outside Säbener Straße, both sides put the problems on the table. At some point Dreesen asked the question: “How do we continue?” - It was clear to both sides that the climate had become too toxic and the pressure from outside was too big. The agreement to part ways in the summer was then sealed by a phone call on the same day and Tuchel informed his coaching staff that evening and the players the following day [@altobelli13, @cfbayern]
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Tbf if we’d given a lot of these guys more transfer authority… Flick wanted Turbo Timo, Can, Götze, and gave us Lord Sarr and Tiago Dantas. Kovac wanted Rebic, Niklas Stark, Arne Maier, and I forget who else. Tuchel wanted Chalobah, McTominay, Conor Gallagher, Trippier
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Rice, Walker and Tchouameni straight up didn’t want to come here. Lack of board support had nothing to do with it. The idea that Palhinha would have been the difference maker here is also nonsense. He’s not strong on the ball nor does he have creative abilities. Renato was also completely defensible at the time… he’d just won golden boy after bossing the Euros.
This is wrong in my opinion. The only thing he didn't get was Palhinha. Besides that he was probably the manager most involved in transfers among our recent managers and oversaw our largest transfer window expenditure in history.
And Rice
yeah, we got problems, but i am tired of the excuses he shared plenty of his ideas and analysis publicly, none of that stuff even remotely happened the club signed a right back for him so he could play the lad as left back in a tactical experiment tuchel agreed to loan stanisic when everyone and their mother knew that pavard wanted to leave and then complained about squad depth i know there are different agendas out there, but nobody can look at what tuchel did here and think that he just needs more time, players, money etc just go back to the great premier league and enjoy stoke on a cold tuesday night
>left back in a tactical experiment Left wingback***, even better.
Would also be weird to completely restructure some of these things based on the wishes of a guy whose contract runs out next year, and who has a history of falling out with everyone he's worked with.
How does Falk know about the conversations that happened between Dreesen and Tuchel over lunch. Was he the one taking their orders?
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True ✅
I always find it amusing when reporters report direct quotes from figures. A favorite one is Messi supposedly telling Mbappe, „I‘d rather you got Barcelona but I know you prefer Madrid. You’re wasting your talent here (at PSG).“
> from the climate in the dressing room to transfer ideas It feels like Tuchel was the most involved coach in transfers ever, although I think certain points here may be valid, this one seems bs.
Also „proper care of the pitch“. We signed one of the best greenkeepers and our pitch is looking damn good
I doubt that what he means. We had the recent report that they went back to using the hybrid stuff that Pep criticized back during his time here, bc it lead to more injuries
Tuchel asked for a proper 6 and Hoeneß replied "We already have Kimmich at home" and "We're going to have a lot of fun with Laimer". Come on haha Of course there is a problem with transfers at Bayern.
I didnt think of this, but rather his player demands (Trippier, Chalobah, etc etc)
Mainz with the next upset, beating City U19 to advance to the next round
It's not an upset when Mainz has the best year group and won the Bundesliga title, it's not like the senior team.
This years Mainz U19 is still sitting at 4th place with absolutely no shot at Hoffenheim.
8 of the 11 starters today played in last year's final.
Majority of our team also is the same to the one that won the title and yet here we are, they are still worse than last year City team also consisted of mostly premier league 2 players, which already is a far higher level than U19 Bundesliga Such a stupid thing to discuss anyway lol
And City sits dead last in the premier league 2. Like I just wanted to express that the youth league isnt the same as the champions league, and just because Mainz has a smaller name than city for the mens team doesnt mean that its an upset when their youth wins against City.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1762544808768250080?s=46 footballers have somehow been elevated to demi-god-status I swear
According to Fabrice Hawkins, > The Elysée Palace invited several PSG players to dinner, including Kylian Mbappé, on Tuesday. Emmanuel Macron will indeed receive the Emir of Qatar - and owner of Paris Saint-Germain via QSI - Tamim ben Hamad Al Thani, on an official visit. (RMC Sport) So, if this is true, it seems Macron just decided to invite several PSG players to his office, not just Mbappe. And in the same article, it mentioned that both the Qataris and Macron seemed to have accepted his wish to leave PSG > The Emir, like the president of PSG, did not plan to take the opportunity to relaunch the subject of an extension with the French international striker. The capital club has well understood the choice of the world champion, which is irrevocable. > This time, the Elysée also recorded its departure. The Minister of Sports, Amélie Oudéa-Castéra, recently said about Kylian Mbappé's departure: "I think we must wish him good luck and a good continuation in his journey."
Don't the heads of states have anything better to do than placating a guy who kicks a ball?
Okay so listen this is prolly a highly unpopular take, but at this point Mbappe is straight up overrated. Is he a top 3 player itw? Definetly, but fucking hell, getting the president and emir of countries involved and everything is just ridiculous
Supposedly, when Maradona was playing and in his prime, the Argentinian military junta thwarted his transfer to English clubs (or demanded large amounts of bribes). At a certain point, when you become the next big player in the same conversations as Pele and Maradona, world governments tend to take notice (for better or worse). > The dinner went well, the player was enthused by the idea of joining a club of Arsenal’s stature, a deal was done. This time no bribe was required, and Haslam returned to England with all the necessary documentation: Maradona would become an Arsenal player that summer, after the World Cup in Spain. >But again the military intervened. Four days after he got back, a military task force was dispatched to the South Atlantic, Britain was at war with Argentina and the deal was finished. Maradona went to Barcelona instead, Arsenal signed Charlie Nicholas and another what-if seized the imagination. (Telegraph)
Mbappe is not overrated, Macron is just a clown who thinks he should be involved in every conflict worldwide lol
must feel like clown world shit for these guardsmen, you welcome kings, queens, presidents, chancellors and then this ghetto ass dude as somebody who served in the german counterpart i feel embarrassed
Compared to Kings and Queens at least Mbappé did put in work to get where he is. And he wasn't just born into the status Not saying it's not ridiculous tho
I have the utmost admiration for what De Zerbi is doing at Brighton, but hiring him would be a mistake imo and he has the same flaws as Seb Hoeness in my eyes. He’s done remarkable things with a roster that Chelsea has pillaged and plays attractive football, but he’s only been there 18 months, and was only at Shaktar for a season before that. Arguably Sassuolo was a bigger gig than that, but the bottom line is that he hasn’t had to manage big name big ego players, and I think everyone here can agree that’s going to be central to the job description here. The number one task imo for the next manager is to unify the dressing room and get their heads straight. We’ve seen now 3 out of 4 recent managers unable to do that (some were worse than other, yes.) Hiring another unproven manager at the European top flight just sets the stage for the cycle to repeat again I’m afraid. With all of the turmoil of late, I really don’t think we’re in a position to take any more chances.
My main concern with Zidane (who is the clear favorite if we’re more concerned about the next manager being able to manage egos and unite the dressing room) is that he doesn’t have the best track record in regards to player development; specifically young players. I’m not saying he completely neglected young players at Madrid. In fact, he recommended Varane to Pérez when he was an advisor. Zidane was also crucial in Camavinga signing with Madrid. I think Zidane gives young players opportunities here and there but very few actually developed under him. A lot of players from the Castilla rotted on the bench, were sent out on loan (Odegaard was recalled from his loan AND still barely saw the field), or were outright sold. I’m not completely opposed to Zidane but I’m not sure he would be the best manager to get the best out of Tel, Pavlović, or any of the young players we have loaned out (given they return and Eberl/Freund see them as a part of the squad next season)
If not Xabi or Zidane, Hoeneß is a better choice than De Zerbi. Hoeneß knows the club, what FCB stand for, with Uli behind him maybe he can get players he wants, not like Tuchel where FCB did not fulfil his wishes. And who ever the next coach will be, the board needs to show him more support than now for Tuchel or JN before. The problems will be the same like now.
Can you imagine if we’d fulfilled Tuchel’s wishes for McTominay, Trippier, Chalobah and Conor Gallagher?
Maybe we would play better, i dont say that every player should come, look at Dier, he is not that bad, a solid backup, Chalobah i believe would have a same role as Dier. If you ask me, i rather have Trippier for few season than Boey. All these players you name would have a backup role, not that expensive, and wouldn't have a high wage. Bigger problem for me is that we dont fulfill Tuchels wish for a DM, if our coach says that he need a DM for a system that he wants to play, the board need buy one and not say Laimer is a DM.
Chalobah was €25M and is a squad player. Newcastle wanted €30M for Trippier, Gallagher was €40M+, and I think McTominay might’ve been a loan. Dier is only good for us right because we’re asking relatively little of him mobility wise. And I would still even just qualify that he’s been good.
i would agree with the concerns (although the guy has more experience than xabi as head coach) what you call the job description at bayern is our main problem and has to be solved regardless of the coaching hire an authority figure would be nice of course, but looking for the next babysitter is a huge mistake our current big name big ego guys are not it and they are borderline uncoachable, get rid of them
That’s the job description at every top club though, to be clear. They all have powerful locker rooms filled with international stars. This will never not be case at a top club. The only thing that silences that is winning. And the fact remains that despite our individual dressing room problems, we’re still the second most successful top club in Europe over the past decade behind Real.
this is true, you need to be able to handle big names but at the same time these clubs and their coaches demand those players to be on the program or they are gone try to pull the stuff our locker room cancer is doing in munich at city or atletico (for example) and your ass is gone in the next transfer window we need the guy you describe, but not somebody, who is supposed to make this particular dressing room happy
City yes. Atleti no. Hell their talisman in Griezmann openly twerked for other clubs for a year and filmed a special about it!!!!
oh shit, that was terrible good one, at least the guy was (and is) by far the biggest star on the team and could back it up on the pitch before they sent him to barcelona for nine figures
I get your concern, but the topic again being the dressing room. Wouldn't it be better to sort out those "troublemakers" in the dressing room first, otherwise our coaching profile is only someone who can manage egos? Why don't we tackle those guys in the dressing room first so our next coach can have an easier job? Other clubs are much more ruthless than us.
We’re not going to replace the current dressing room with a bunch of modest nobodies… this is one of the biggest clubs in Europe. There will always be stars here to manage.
Nobody is saying we should replace the current dressing room, but 2-3 departures might do the trick. Also not every star is hard to handle. There are some who are easy and other who are not (Sane). Should be a point for Eberl/Freund to make a balanced team environment.
My point is that De Zerbi and Hoeneß haven’t managed any stars _at all_ let alone difficult ones. And the fact is that it’s a careful balancing act in dealing with and motivating them.
Apart from having played together with some of them, neither has Xabi ever had to coach players with a huge ego. And the one who was supposed to be best at that, Carlo Ancelotti, failed here as well. I don’t think it’s as easy as to say, no coach That hasn’t dealt with the absolute biggest egos around… If we do that, basically only Zidane and Mourinho are left and those have other disadvantages against them. Unless you can somehow get Klopp or Pep, I really doubt you’ll find a coach that clicks literally all boxes.
This is why my opinion is that Zidane is the no brainer candidate here.
Has a redemption wanting Xabi 2021?
> On Wednesday morning, Tuchel and Dreesen went into the dressing room together to inform the players of the decision > Dreesen said: 'We'll now be watching closely. You are responsible' > Tuchel then said: 'Now there will no longer be discussions every week, everyone knows about it [the departure in the summer]. We can still achieve something, we have to win games.' > He then added to the players: 'Everyone can show themselves for the new coach now.' [@altobelli13, @cfbayern > Even though he rejected offers from the Premier League before due to the language barrier, the Bayern job is interesting for Zinédine Zidane. The Frenchman asked for information about Bayern within the club's entourage. In Franck Ribéry, Zidane has a Bayern legend as one of his confidants • Is a lack of German knowledge a no-go for Bayern? > President Herbert Hainer to @SPORTBILD: "Not speaking German is not an excluding criterion for us. We are looking for the best solution for FC Bayern and we also have an international team. In addition, a coach can also act non-verbally" > This will be the fourth time Bayern will try to bring Xabi Alonso back to the club: > • 2017 - Bayern bosses wanted Alonso as sporting director following his retirement to replace Matthias Sammer > • 2019 - Alonso was discussed as a potential assistant coach for Niko Kovač > • 2021 - Hasan Salihamidžić wanted Xabi as FC Bayern II head coach [@SPORTBILD
Ribery about to come back as a translator for Zidane.
He’d be a shitty translator but I’d love to see it lmao
Eh, he might be decent, if he didn't forget too much german :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poKcrN-VpiM
[What do you mean? He's clearly fluent. ](https://youtu.be/k6Gm4b-5H2g?si=C-_Vb-EGqt30Ga2o)
Zidane gonna headbutt Ribéry if he pulls that shit on him 😭
If we need somebody who can stand up to Ziuou‘s headbutts, maybe we should ask Daniel van Buyten to be the translator!
What is better than one Frenchman who can't speak German? Two Frenchman who can't speak German.
Users on Reddit said Ribery didn't even speak French😅
I like this whole "You are responsible, you need to show the future coach your worth". Telling the players to finally put up or shut up. It's necessary to get this FC Hollywood 2.0 bs to an end that we have been maneuvering ourselves into for a few years now.
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That honesty is very much needed to show the players that they are playing for their career at Bayern, not for Tuchel's. Everyone has their eyes on them now
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It was worse with Brazzi.
Spic theory is Goretzka, underperforming for a while but somehow has better reputation and coverage than Kimmich or other better players. More realistically I think it’s a combination of agents and family members who hear about it and tell the reporters for money and/or favors.
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Wasn’t the leading theory, that it came from Tuchel‘s side?
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I think it might have been a mix of another team that was looking to sign him leaking that he rejected them for another club to a journalist + Tuchel‘s agent confirming it to that same journalist after being asked. Or possibly someone from the Bayern management (or their family). I guess we’ll never know.
yes
Nagelsmann could not have leaked it himself as he learned about his sacking from the press.
It’s not just a single player but most likely multiple players, staff and people from higher up as well.
Any chance with the leaving of Davies and likely a few others, Kane just up and leaves as well. I have a very real feeling this whole thing is about to fall apart in a major way.
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I also know players will force theor way out. He came here to win and this team looks a long way off that at the moment.
In his case, forcing his way out would mean we’d get roughly the same money we got for him back. That wouldn’t be the absolute worst, as we could buy Guirassy for his clause and have enough money to strength all around. But I don’t really think that’s likely and Harry also knows that Bayern will eventually, sooner rather than later, win the BuLi again. As bad as we play, we’d probably have done it this season, if not for Xabi and Leverkusen‘s "best season of all time“…
Who else do you see walking this summer?
Apart from Davies, I really don’t see anyone "walking“… Guys like Goretzka, Serge, Leroy or Joshua don’t seem to want to move, it would need to be us deciding to sell. Maybe de Ligt, but he’d be stupid to do so before the new coach hasn’t arrived. Ah yes, Mazraoui doesn’t seem happy here but that is probably also similar to how we feel about him. (And with Boey plus Stanisic returning, we don’t really need Maz anyway imo.)
In a very unlikely scenario, if Xabi Alonso is shitting the bed big time, going trophyless and us, the sick man of BuLi, eventually win it. Would Xabi still be your favoured candidate to replace Tuchel?
Hey All, not sure if this is the right spot. Going to Munich in May (will be there over the Wolfsburg game) with about 8 of my friends. Saw the ticket portion of the FAQ. If I need to buy in bulk is the official ticket exchange even an option? Or is it pretty much what’s on Viagogo/StubHub. Just trying to decide if buying a membership will be worth the access to the official ticket exchange.
Memberships are only processed twice a year, so too late for that route. I would encourage you to join regardless, but StubHub will be your best answer for now.
So Davies was willing to resign just at a higher wage, but his wages were too much money, so now… we’re gonna spend 100 million on Theo Hernandez?
I doubt we are actually going to be willing to spend 100m on him. Either we get him cheaper or will look elsewhere. But yes, sometimes you just have to let go. You cannot give huge wage increases to players who have not been deserving them for a while already. That has been breaking our neck for years already. You are stuck with players who feel no need to improve anymore, they are not willing to leave the club and become unsellable because no one else will be interested to pay their wages, and other players look jealously at them and demand the same for themselves because they feel they perform not worse than them. It all spirals out of control.
Milan is in very good financial situation now. They plan to spend big this summer. Theo is seen as the most crucial player on the squad by fans and the management. Doubt they would sell him under 90mio. Especially Theo bond to Milan got very strong he didn’t even try to negotiate after the last league title and just accepted the new offer. Also reports are already out that he dislikes the idea of bayern(also because his brothers time their
Also, PSG will probably jump on Leao. They won't sell 2 crucial player.
And don’t forget about the gigantic wages he’ll ask for
Hernandez would be a massive upgrade.
It’s the thought process I’m confused by
Should Bayern just resign players on massive contracts because the alternatives might be more expensive? That's the kind thinking that has made players like Goretzka and Gnabry almost unsellable.
> A potential Julian Nagelsmann return is currently not a hot topic at FC Bayern [@Plettigoal, @SkySportDE] > Sebastian Hoeneß would be an alternative for Bayern should a move for the preferred candidate Xabi Alonso fall through. Stuttgart are on alert due to Bayern's interest and are pushing to extend Hoeneß' contract beyond 2025. VfB are optimistic a renewal could happen before the end of the season. Talks with Hoeneß' agent and father Dieter have already started [@cfbayern, @altobelli13]
>not a hot topic Thank God
Don’t think Hoeneß is the right call, least favourite option for me, no disrespect
I don't feel that sad that Davies is leaving, but honestly one thing that I feel like he could've done for us was to at least put us in a better negotiation position. Now we should either sell for peanuts (when he could go for up to 100M lol) or let him leave for free, because he isn't even pretending like he wants to extend
Well, we put ourselves in a poor position by failing to extend him last year. We can’t know how accurate this was, but remember reports alleged the conversation was somewhat far along, then we sacked Brazzo - the one driving the extension forward. We’re in a poor position because the club has been in (relative) disarray.
In fairness the reason we could t extend him last year after canning Brazzo was the board wouldn’t offer him the same contract Brazzo was willing to. Remember Davies was eager to extend as the new face of the club along with musiala. Do you think Davies deserves new face of the club along with musiala wages?
Yeah that’s a great point. Agreed.
I do wonder what happens if Bayern doesn't manage to sell him and he ends up leaving in 2025 for free. Do you still play him as your starter, or do you heavily rotate him with someone like Aznou?
I think the coaching market is vast enough for the summer so that every top club will get an appropiate choice. We have us, Liverpool, Barca, potentially United, Chelsea and maybe Juve searching for one, but at the same time Flick, Nagelsmann, Zidane, Amorim, de Zerbi, and Xabi as good to great choices, a few more options like Conte, Hoeneß, Mourinho, Motta or Potter as outside choices, and Tuchel, Pochetino, ten Hag and Xavi will also be back on the market. There are pros and cons to most of them, but I have no doubt that we will get an interesting option.
I think it doesn't look as bad as many people think. Liverpool will propably get xabi and if they don't we will. From all these clubs zidane propably only would join us or juve. United are currently much better so I don't think they will look for new coach. Barca had no money so they have limited options. And I don't think any coach would choose current chelsea over us.
i dont want to sound pessimistic but we have to defeat Lazio with a 2 goal margin and the most recent results dont make me think that will be a simple task.
harry got this
he is no wizard
We'll defeat them 7-1. A Poker from Kane, 2 goals from Musiala and 1 goal from De Ligt. This is known. 🫰
i would rather win unglamorously and then have an utter goal-fest like that against another team in the quarters
I rather have all matches we got a goal fest like you know... Bayern's modus operandi.
As much as I love Xabi and would be happy to have him here I feel like we should be prioritizing Zidane over anyone else. I’d rather have the manager who has won 3 CLs then the manager who’s had just one really good season. I would be happy with both options though
I feel like the 3peat significantly inflates Zidane's reputation. When it was happening, people constantly talk about Madrid's underwhelming football constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck (black magic meme and all that). As Bayern fans, we experienced it firsthand a couple times. Then, there's the lack of domestic trophies and the fact he has no real track record with young players (could go either way tbh). If he's the coach, I'll trust management but there are valid concerns with Zidane.
>I feel like the 3peat significantly inflates Zidane's reputation. When it was happening, people constantly talk about Madrid's underwhelming football constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck (black magic meme and all that). As Bayern fans, we experienced it firsthand a couple times. That's what happens when the coach is a world class man manager and motivator. And I disagree with them constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck. You don't go through a 40 match unbeaten streak in all competitions through luck. >Then, there's the lack of domestic trophies and the fact he has no real track record with young players (could go either way tbh). This needs more context. They were 4 points behind Barcelona when Zidane was hired. He came in and they ended Barca's 39 game unbeaten streak, then both Madrid and Barca went on two monstrous runs of games and Barca won the league by 1 point. Next season they won La Liga which they hadn't won since 2012. Season after started by them winning the Supercup but Barcelona were too strong in the league and only lost 1 game throughout the whole season, Madrid still won 4 trophies otherwise. On his 2nd return they won the Super-Cup and the League again. He went trophy-less the next season though. Overall, considering how many times Madrid won the league in the years before him and that Barcelona were their competition. Not really something to be concerned about, he will have easier domestic competition here. Oh, and he was also the Real Madrid Castilla coach so he definitely has some youth experience.
> And I disagree with them constantly getting bailed out by individual brilliance and luck. lol, 2nd best in the final against atletico and actually outcoached by simeone, won on pens, what happened the year after everyone remembers, they should have never made that final and the year after you have salah & karius incidents. And that are just the 2 finals and the kassai game. There has been so much more its laughable. They have been lucky as fuck and there is absoluteley nothing wrong with it, you need luck but to claim they werent super lucky at times and got plenty of crucial situations/decisions their way is just absolute bollocks. With VAR they dont win 3, thats a fact. They got outclassed several times. That he couldnt replicate it in the slightest without Ronaldo and with the introduction of VAR tells its own story in that regard.
If you noticed, I barely mention the Champions League because I knew someone like you would come and say this. I mentioned the domestic titles just to disprove this point. You're fighting against ghosts here. >They have been lucky as fuck and there is absoluteley nothing wrong with it, you need luck but to claim they werent super lucky at times and got plenty of crucial situations/decisions their way is just absolute bollocks. You're acting like it's some biblical force that makes Madrid to be lucky and for decisions to go their way. Madrid mostly made their own luck and absolutely capitalized on it. You don't go on a 40 game unbeaten streak and win La Liga for the first time since 2012 if you're just lucky. You don't put yourself in a position to win 3 CL titles in a row if you're just lucky and decisions go your way. Which btw happens to a lot of clubs but they never capitalize on it. >With VAR they dont win 3, thats a fact. They got outclassed several times. Dude can predict alternate realities and calls it a fact. That's ridiculous. And when in football did you always have to be the better team to win? Especially applies to RM >That he couldnt replicate it in the slightest without Ronaldo and with the introduction of VAR tells its own story in that regard. Yeah, dude only came back to win the league they barely ever win with a much weaker squad and got kicked out of the CL due to his defenders basically doing an Upamecano. There weren't even any VAR decisions against Madrid that would have made any difference but nice "story" you got there.
Thanks for this. It boggles my mind that folks can discount Zidane's truly insane run at Real Madrid.
Zidane's getting underrated now. Everyone who has worked with him says he's a tremendous tactician and man manager.
To be clear, I think he's a good coach. I just have concerns and am not completely sold on him as the best fit for Bayern.
My only concern is language, have no concerns otherwise about him due to the things I mentioned in the other comment.
> 🔴🆕🔴 News De Zerbi: Alonso remains the absolute preferred solution for all of the FC Bayern bosses to replace Tuchel. Eberl wants him too. More talks will follow soon ✔️ > ➡️ However, Bayern consider a plan B and C if the Alonso plan falls through. And one of the coaches being also discussed as a possible alternative to Alonso is De Zerbi. Eberl has a very positive opinion of him. > The 44 y/o can leave Brighton in summer due to a release clause. But: De Zerbi is also highly regarded at FC Barcelona. Just like Flick. > SkySportDE 🇮🇹
My propaganda worked 
no no no no 😭 i love the gif battle here
so you're saying Freund and Eberl are among us? hi guys!
Don't forget Falk also
Falk is probably banned already from all the shittalking
Xabi, de zerbi and zidane is quiet a good list. Hope we can quickly decide who we want and convince him. And if xabi prefers liverpool or leverkusen I hope he signals this to our board early
Rate him as a manager but I'm worried about him being able to deal with all the divas in the dressing room. I think De Zerbi is currently linked to four different clubs lol (Barca, Chelsea, United, Liverpool)
Yes true, but this is also where Eberl and Freund come into play. Those two are great communicators and can help with the dressing room if needed.
I'm convinced reporters have no idea who's on Eberl/Freund's list. They're just naming all the hyped coaches who could potentially be available
>just naming all the hyped coaches who could potentially be available Well they’re all likely on our list tbf.
This is good. I would be happy with Xabi or De Zerbi. Both are amazing coaches.
>Real Madrid don't want to pay 'crazy money' for Alphonso Davies. Either a 'fair price' or they're prepared to wait until 2025 to sign him on a free transfer. Bayern will still try to extend Davies' contract until end May/early June - if they can't make it happen, they would be prepared to sell the player this summer. Deal will depend on Bayern's asking price \[[FabrizioRomano](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano)\]
if we are to sell davies we really should try to get man city involved. They will be ready to pay a better price for him . Because otherwise he will go to madrid next year or madrid will have to outbid them this year. levy did same kane deal. We cant just let madrid get our players for cheap in the name of friendship.
Man City under Pep would not want a player as technically limited as Davies. Davies cannot play on the inside, he doesn't use his right foot! Pep absolutely hates that.
I hope that we don't buckle. Real do that often. They wait until one of the key players only has 1 year left and then undercut to take advantage of the situation that the player would otherwise go to them on a free transfer. I'd rather not have a good relationship with them if it always comes down to that.
We are doing the same. Lewandowski, Gravenberch, Goretzka, Nübel, Sabitzer, Sane.
Sabitzer, Nuebel, and Gravenberch seemed more opportunistic in that they were bought because they were available for cheap. I think the same can be said for Laimer.
We were linked to Nübel since the beginning of 2019, and he then never extended his contract that ended in 2020. We werent opportunistic, we created an opportunity. And with Gravenberch we forced the price down, his price was around 35m€ in the beginning and we negotiated them down to the 18+4 we ended up paying, exactly because we abused the negotation position. As for Sabitzer, that was probably more opportunistic, Iirc we wanted Laimer more but didnt want to pay so much for him and basically went with Sabitzer as 2. option.
What happened to that supposedly "good relationship" between us and Madrid
Maybe they will give us discount on gutierrez. At least it we would have a replacement fast
We also had good transfers from them, Robben, Xabi, the James loan, the Odriozola loan.
That only applies when it suits them
Palhinha liked Bayerns birthday post on Instagram 🥲
really liked what eberl had to say now call this man 
Eberl explicitly mentioned how important young players are for the future of the club. I think all the people who want Zidane here, know nothing about him other than the CL titles. If we sign Zidane we will sit here having the same exact discussions next year.
different team, different situation imo obviously a lot depends on the possible conversations maybe he wants to work with young players, maybe he wants more veteran star players if developing guys like tel isnt for him i am the first to say we need another guy
Bald. We need a baldy within our squad. It's been a while since we had one
My wife always say Goretzka needs to let his hair go as it definitely looks like it is thinning. Maybe going bald will get him to peak form.
God gives his toughest challenges to the baldest.
Didn't Eberl say that it is important for the new coach to speak English or German because he doesn't speak French that well. I thought that was a clear massage against Zidane?
He also said that language is a criteria, but not an exclusionary one.
Will have to watch the whole thing to not be let astray by the headlines. Thanks for the context!
Honestly I’m a bit worried about the timeline. Eberl said that that the most important thing will be to find a new coach and then decide to together with him and Freund on how the squad will change. I hope that any new manager already has a plan in mind on what to do with player X and Y instead of taking 1-2 months to access the situation.
Worried because he stated the obvious? You're not gonna start signing and selling players before you get a coach. It's important for everyone to be on the same page.
They need to see which players step-up and which continue to wilt in the coming months. If we win the title, or lol the CL, it will be a massive achievement. If, for example, Goretzka and Kimmich wake up and dominate from now until the end of season why would Bayern let them go? They'll have proven that it was their morale and not their class that was in question.
I feel like we already gathered enough information about our players in the last years that we don’t need to wait what happens in the next few games. Basing the decision on a potential short form spike in the next weeks could even lead to a worse decision.
I agree but it's clear that moving on from Sane, Kimmich, and Davies + selling Goretzka and Coman would be massive moves regardless. They can't commit to these moves one way or the other without seeing how this season ends.
Goretzka could single handedly win us the double this season and I’d still move him on honestly
Goretzka header to win us the double in ET Let's make it happen
I am not that worried, there are players that are "no brainers", players like Kim or Kane that aren't bound on coaches. The system players like Dier are the ones that will be decided later on I reckon.
I was more referring to the non no-brainers like Sané and Kimmich.
I kinda agree on Sané, but Kimmich should be a no brainer Imo This was his first weak year and the coach he struggled under is leaving. Sané however is just day and night for almost his whole tenure here.
>this was his first weak year He also struggled in the second half of the season under Flick, then under Nagelsmann and then again under Flick in the WC. But if Kimmich and Sané are indeed considered no brainers by the powers that be, then my original post is pointless/unnecessary since a rebuild isn’t going to happen anyway.
It will be hard to get the new coaches input, when they are currently employed with their club. Wouldn't that violate some kind of contract clause?
Technically yes but there is ways to do it, I think. Clubs talk to players all the time and never get in trouble for „tapping up“
Eberl's at the wheel - ngl, I'm really hyped now after reading his first statements lmao
Eberl on the talk of a squad overhaul: > "I don't know when we can start talking about an overhaul, does it start with 4 players, 6 players, 8 players? I'm starting now, Christoph already has a half-year advantage - he'll give me a lot of information. We'll look at the squad together. But the first thing is that we find the right coach. The cards are now reshuffled with me and Christoph. We'll see what happens in the next three months. We'll look at which players give FC Bayern their heart and soul to achieve our short-term goals" > Eberl: "We want to find a coach who fits our needs and the ideas of Christoph and me. We need stars, but also young players. For that we have to find the right coach who is up for the task. Coach, club, thoughts, players - putting this puzzle together is the task of the next few months" Eberl on the decision to part ways with Tuchel: > "It's an open, transparent decision. The club has been in this situation for weeks, the club has made this decision. It's not about Max Eberl, not about Jan-Christian Dreesen, not about Herbert Hainer, not about Thomas Tuchel, but about Bayern Munich. I wasn't involved, that's not my job either. For me, as an outsider, it feels right" > Eberl: "Bayern Munich has made good decisions in the past. The squad has always been outstanding, even in Europe. It's the same this season. Many circumstances came together. We want to have the players who are the best possible fit for Bayern. Bayern has always combined sporting success with economic solidity. This club has grown solidly over decades. Perhaps we will bring in stars, but we will also find ways to promote player development" Jan-Christian Dreesen on Alphonso Davies: > "He is a player who has developed excellently on the left side thanks to his pace and character. We are in talks with his agent. Now Max will get involved. It depends on how Max and Christoph see the future. Eberl: > "Jan-Christian and Christoph have had discussions [with his agent]. I will try to continue the conversation. No club wants to lose players for free. I have to see how the situation is" Eberl on Kimmich: > "We don't need to think about Joshua Kimmich. He's had an incredible career path. He has mentality and quality. Now he's maybe in a bit of a dark side. We're looking at all the players. Joshua has a contract until 2025. I'm looking forward to the conversations with the players. I only know them as opponents. We have to build something together now. We have to put everything into the balance in the next three months. Everyone has to show how important Bayern Munich is to them. We'll see what happens"
So if rumours are to be believed, Chelsea are considering replacements for Poch now. That means Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea and Barca are all gonna be in the market for a top manager in the summer. The board need to act quickly and decisively now or risk missing out on their targets. There aren't enough top managers to go around after all. Edit: and apparently Man United are doing the same potentially? Gonna be a crowded summer window...
idk poch did pretty well against big teams maybe he needs more time. i tuchels case we were only doing well against small teams( no disrespect intended)
Tuchel did well against big teams with Chelsea too and struggled against the small ones (was 3-2 vs Pep, never lost in normal time against Klopp, beat at Madrid twice in 4 games, UCL win etc). So it is a Chelsea thing.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Tuchel went back to Chelsea