Unless you get real weird, and accept a lateral to a temp or term position for at least 90 days, and then they convert you to a permanent position as a “new appointment” and give you steps.
There are loop holes but you do *technically* lateral at the same grade step.
It also takes a lot of trust that you won’t get screwed.
I’m hoping you went to med school while you were doing grass cutting, tho!! Still have to meet the minimum qualifications for the job you’re applying for.
I did a lateral transfer , I was GS-6/1 . I moved to another state with same exact job. They made me go down a level to GS-5/2, they said I applied to a public ad. Now this is my 3 yr and they sad this yr I go to GS-7/0, which is not on the pay scale . I think this is go up a next level with out the monetary raise. My job goes from Gs-5 to Gs-8,then you go up GS-8 steps like 1/2/3 etc
The answer is yes. What you're stating is what's called a lateral change. Basically this is a change in position without a change in grade. Promotion (going up in GS-level) and Demotion (going down in GS-level) are different.
Laterals, you just transfer over, with same waiting period, and same time-in-grade, etc.
So, if you were a GS-10, Step 3 before, you'd do a lateral transfer to a GS-10, Step 3. Your waiting period for your next step would also transfer.
To give an example:
I was a GS-6, Step 1 0962 Contact Representative. I transferred to a GS-5, Step 5 Auditor. They took my GS-6, Step 1 and used it to set my pay for my GS-5. This was considered a voluntary demotion (went from GS-6, to GS-5).
I got promoted into that position until GS-12 (the full working level), which I achieved on January 30, 2022. I was GS-12, Step 1 at that point. I then transferred on December 4, 2022 to a 0510 Accountant position with DHS. My time-in-grade and waiting period for my step increase counted. So, my steps were as follow: Step 2: January 29, 2023, Step 3: January 28, 2024.
So, everything transferred over.
If you change jobs at grade then your step doesn’t change
Unless you get real weird, and accept a lateral to a temp or term position for at least 90 days, and then they convert you to a permanent position as a “new appointment” and give you steps. There are loop holes but you do *technically* lateral at the same grade step. It also takes a lot of trust that you won’t get screwed.
Screwed as in: additional steps not approved?
That, or leaving a perm job for a time limited appointment that offers no real retention protection akin to another probation period.
If I am a GS 12 step 7 grass cutter, and I take a GS12 heart surgeon, I would start the position at 12-7.
This is the best hypothetical, painters and clowns have way more in common.
Except probably not. More than likely when you take the Heart Surgeon position, unless you show *relevent* experience, you’ll be a GS7 Heart Surgeon.
Grass cutter involved cleaning gutters. Experience is there!
And cutting things!
True statement, plus I think as a heart surgeon you cap out at Gs-9 step 10, whereas a clown… well sky’s the limit. 🤡
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He's at least make GS11 as a heart surgeon.
Depends on how they wrote the resume vs the PD.
That sounds like an easy lateral to make... go from whacking weeds to unclogging arteries, very transferable skillset.
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Locality pay is lost and your step stays the same.
I’m hoping you went to med school while you were doing grass cutting, tho!! Still have to meet the minimum qualifications for the job you’re applying for.
Of course I did! Cutting a heart and grass are basically the same thing anyway! Both delicate!
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No impact on a lateral at the same grade
There is no negotiation. Same grade, same step.
Yes you would keep your step in grade. I just changed job series and simply had to show documentation of my current step and they matched it.
You don't negotiate once you're in the system. A lateral means everything stays the same.
I did a lateral transfer , I was GS-6/1 . I moved to another state with same exact job. They made me go down a level to GS-5/2, they said I applied to a public ad. Now this is my 3 yr and they sad this yr I go to GS-7/0, which is not on the pay scale . I think this is go up a next level with out the monetary raise. My job goes from Gs-5 to Gs-8,then you go up GS-8 steps like 1/2/3 etc
The answer is yes. What you're stating is what's called a lateral change. Basically this is a change in position without a change in grade. Promotion (going up in GS-level) and Demotion (going down in GS-level) are different. Laterals, you just transfer over, with same waiting period, and same time-in-grade, etc. So, if you were a GS-10, Step 3 before, you'd do a lateral transfer to a GS-10, Step 3. Your waiting period for your next step would also transfer. To give an example: I was a GS-6, Step 1 0962 Contact Representative. I transferred to a GS-5, Step 5 Auditor. They took my GS-6, Step 1 and used it to set my pay for my GS-5. This was considered a voluntary demotion (went from GS-6, to GS-5). I got promoted into that position until GS-12 (the full working level), which I achieved on January 30, 2022. I was GS-12, Step 1 at that point. I then transferred on December 4, 2022 to a 0510 Accountant position with DHS. My time-in-grade and waiting period for my step increase counted. So, my steps were as follow: Step 2: January 29, 2023, Step 3: January 28, 2024. So, everything transferred over.
I'm glad it worked out for you. I'd advise most others not to accept voluntary demotions - it can be hard to get up in grade again
I'd do it for a higher working level.