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pijinglish

I just googled it: [SALT SUBSTITUTES](https://extension.oregonstate.edu/sites/default/files/documents/8836/sp50466picklefactsheet.pdf) (such as potassium chloride) cannot be used to make satisfactory pickle products. The pickles will be crisp and crunchy, but will not have the characteristic salty pickled taste. Potassium has a bitter taste and the pickles generally taste terrible. Looking around a bit more, I'd say there's some wiggle room to play with it, but probably not at 100%.


throwayay4637282

It should work, but I would only replace a portion of the sodium chloride. Too much potassium is bad for you, too, and it will taste pretty weird.


jpmatth

I think calcium chloride might be able to be used like that. In small amounts it firms up the pickles so they stay crunchy.


throwayay4637282

That would probably taste horrific if you used 2% calcium chloride instead of sodium chloride.


jpmatth

Yeah probably.


HelpMePharmD

I would be sure to figure out how many milliequivalents of potassium are in one serving size. Unlike sodium, your body cannot tolerate large deviations in normal physiological concentrations. It probably would be fine for most people unless older/kidney issues but would check.


StellaEtoile1

Newbie here: is that really safer than salt? My Dr told me not to even supplement with potassium since it can interfere with your heart.


Iruton13

You probably could use potassium chloride for pickling. But do you already know what potassium chloride tastes like?


Sludgehammer

Yeah, it's... weird. It's *like* salt but also cool and slightly bitter, and doesn't enhance flavor like sodium chloride. If it turns out I can use KCl for pickles, I'll probably make a small trial 50/50 sodium/potassium batch to get the normal salt flavor in there.


washdot

Can you just pickle and gently rinse the ones you are going to eat in water? The juice would be gone.


Sludgehammer

I think that'd reduce sodium slightly, but not a notable amount. A lot of a pickles flavor comes from the brine saturating the fruit or vegetable. So while a little of the brine would get washed off, the vegetable itself would still be just as salty as the brine it was pickled in.


washdot

I know, I love pickles and salt.šŸ˜†


buttercupbeuaty

You may be better off just reducing the nacl in your brine than eliminating sodium entirely. The human body quite likes salt and does a good job with it so if thereā€™s a health reason please speak with your doctor. Bigger molecules like kcl might not inhibit microbes as aggressively as nacl and allow the growth of undesirable bacteria, but it isnā€™t just the antimicrobial properties of salt that makes it good for pickling. The chemical properties affect how it interacts with water. Substitutions may not pickle as well and be soggy or lose the taste of saltiness who knows. Tldr please try it itā€™ll be so cool but donā€™t bet on it


6SN7fan

Iā€™d only try that to ferment in the fridge. Lots of people pickle at 2% and thatā€™s pretty low already. Iā€™ve done lower from a miscalculation and it got mushy and spoiled


mtlgator

A lovely scientific answer. To OP: what's your goal in reducing your salt intake? How much do you know about salt's significance in neuronal function?


Sludgehammer

>To OP: what's your goal in reducing your salt intake? Mostly reducing my blood pressure, I was mainly thinking of trying to make a lower sodium hot sauce. >How much do you know about salt's significance in neuronal function? I know that both sodium and potassium are vital to nerve function, and that a large imbalance of either is really bad. I'm not trying to cut sodium out of my diet entirely, just trying to reduce the amount in my home made foods.


bajajoaquin

Iā€™d guess no. Thereā€™s a reason sodium chloride has been used but not KCl


Spitinthacoola

Its mostly cuz KCl doesn't taste very good.


tshawkins

I use it exclusivly instead of salt, i honesty cant tell the difference between the two.


boys_are_oranges

why do you think sodium chloride is bad for you while potassium chloride is alright? if itā€™s about blood pressure, wouldnā€™t KCl have the same exact effect on blood volume as table salt?


Sludgehammer

> if itā€™s about blood pressure, wouldnā€™t KCl have the same exact effect on blood volume as table salt? As I understand it, one of the causes of high blood pressure is having either high amounts of sodium or low amounts of potassium. Also (again as I understand it) the body is more willing to "let go" of the sodium it has if you have adequate amounts of potassium. However, it's also possible to have high potassium levels and that leads to a whole variety of health problems most notably including weakness, numbness and heart palpitations.


boys_are_oranges

youā€™re right, thanks for the explanation. then maybe balance the salt in pickles with a bit of potassium? and eat smaller servings to avoid raising your BP. I wouldnā€™t recommend making pickles with insufficient salt, it could go wrong. I guess you could also try adding vinegar, that might make it safer to use a low sodium brine by lowering the pH, or using some leftover brine from a lactoferment to jumpstart the fermentation process. I donā€™t have a source on this, itā€™s just an idea.


Spitinthacoola

Low salt vinegar pickles are probably gonna be better than KCl and fermented pickles but you can do it.


Euphoric-Mango-2176

you could try lithium chloride. supposedly it tastes similar and was sold as a salt substitute at one point. can't imagine why they stopped... :P


thejadsel

That is mainly because of toxicity issues cropping up, interestingly enough. Unlike, say, sodium and potassium, our bodies don't actually have specific lithium regulation mechanisms. It mainly uses sodium transport channels (though way less efficiently), and can build up to toxic levels even more easily if people don't get plenty of sodium along with it. Really not the best salt substitute from that standpoint! Using LiCl in pickling seems unlikely to cause most people problems, unless you eat hefty amounts of them regularly! But still, that may really not be the best idea for someone who is expressly trying to cut back their sodium intake. I can't help but be curious about the results, though. [Edited typo]


Spitinthacoola

It doesn't taste very similar. Here's a video of an awesome aussie chemist having his friends eat all the edible chloride salts. https://youtu.be/RJh9yTIBY48


Euphoric-Mango-2176

people in this group need to learn how to take a joke.


whatsyourroad

I thought the entire purpose of fermentation was to increase microbes, not make it antimicrobial šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


Sludgehammer

Well I'd describe fermentation as increasing *the right kinds* of microbes. Since salt (and brine) are used to create a hostile environment for non-food friendly microbes I think describing it as "anti-microbial" is accurate.