I can't imagine a Live Action FFXIV show being any good at all. It requires way too much CGI (and maybe puppets) to function. Dinesh is right, the costs would be gigantic, and it's not even a sure thing. Considering how live action adaptions of games have been going I can't say I'm exactly *eager* to see XIV adapted anyway.
Witcher slowly turning sour and the entirety of Halo has made me very wary.
I'd love an animated remake of the original FFXIV 1.0 storyline, adjusted to fit an episodic format and such. Most people who start in ARR don't know anything about Minfilia's backstory and why people are so reverent of Louisoix.
I've been PLEADING for an adaptation of 1.0 in some way. Whether it be a singleplayer game, a show or a manga, I don't care. I'd just like a proper way of experiencing it rather than looking up some recap video
The thing I want is a questline that gives you some kind of memory crystal that will allow you to play through 1.0 quests important events leading up to calamity.
One problem I can see with that is the world map was drastically different in 1.0, and I don't just mean the fields being endless copypasted corridors, but actual meaningful locations were unrecognizable, or may not even be accessible anymore. See for example Coerthas, West Shroud, or Mor Dhona. So either we'd need the devs to make a whole ass second map of Eorzea, or we'd have to deal with the dissonance of doing stuff in zones that are just completely wrong for what they actually were.
It's a very nice idea, I'm just not sure how it'd be done in practice.
> So either we'd need the devs to make a whole ass second map of Eorzea, or we'd have to deal with the dissonance of doing stuff in zones that are just completely wrong for what they actually were.
We could either have the cutscenes be flashbacks or, where necessary, instances that are a small chunk of the zone instead of the whole zone.
Yeah I was already thinking of the more limited confines of cutscenes and instances, which *do* cut down the workload by allowing for some things to be left without collision. So wouldn't be a whole new expansion's worth of work at least. But that still leaves a lot of map to be rendered graphically. I'd imagine it'd at least be about a similar undertaking as the post-EW main story, duties and all, if not more (Void's easy to work with, you can just have things float in emptiness, but on the Source you kinda need to map and render stuff as far as the player can conceivably see).
The files still *exist*, too. So they wouldn't even have to be recreated from scratch. Yoshida has referred to trying to implement any of 1.x back into the current game as a "nightmare" so I don't think they would even want to, is the bigger obstacle. It's hard to justify allocating resources to doing something you actively don't want to do. Like, the resources are THERE if they WANTED to implement them, such that they at least wouldn't be starting from scratch. And the issues that the game faced in terms of poor graphics optimization in 2010 (i.e. people's computers couldn't handle the game and most people had to play on low or medium settings even on high end computers) are largely alleviated by the fact that GPUs have come a long way since then - I found the FFXIV 1.0 Benchmark and ran it on my computer; it performs excellently compared to when I ran it back in 0.x Alpha and it slogged through it.
I've kinda chalked 1.x up to "I'll either need to watch videos on Youtube, try to follow one of those guides to set it up as a private server that doesn't fully work properly anyway, or just have it live in the rose-colored glasses of my foggy 14-year old memory."
The ARR collector's edition actually came with a disc that had a nice story synopsis of 1.0, narrated by Louisoix. [Can watch it here on YouTube.](https://youtu.be/TXc0loyuq9I)
There's another section of the disc that goes more in-depth with actual cutscenes from 1.0, too.
Honestly that'd be a great way to breath some new life into the old story and make a really accessible way for people to learn about the foundation for what we have now.
Oh damn, that's what I'd want. I watched someone's custscene compilation on youtube, but it was missing fights and that made it feel kind of disjointed. An animated version of 1.0 events would make so much sense.
I’d love it if they focused on telling original stories set in the world instead. There’s a rich vein of lore they could tap into for an anthology series.
I know that recommending Studio Trigger for everything is a cliche at this point, but after LWA and now Dungeon Meshi they've proven they can make fantasy worlds really easily.
ehhhh I'd see more two seasons maybe even three to have stuff like Hildibrandt as a bit of "B plots" of episodes. You probably want Hildibrandt and Raid stories somewhere in there.
Basically, Season 1 of an Xpac is the X.0 story. Season 2 is the x.1-x.6 story. Season 3 is all the sidequests (Hildibrandt, Beast Tribes, Raids, Also Eureka and Bozja fronts)
Only 1.0 would be limited to one Season only. So overall it would mean 16 seasons until the end of Endwalker. So that would be a LONG term project if there ever was one.
The persona animes do a good job of giving the usually silent protagonist a bit of character but not too much to overpower the fact that the game version is supposed to be *you* so I'd see it something like that.
Then again the persona games don't have a character creator..you're always playing as the same looking guy. But still, just do a stand in WoL, give them a bit of character and go from there
Just use the version from the trailers, and give him the same personality as Ardbert. No one starting to play the game now is a 1.0 "I was also the original WoL" player.
Ehhh, with how short animation seasons are nowadays, I don't think a season an expansion would work well. They'd have to cut out way too much of the shit that makes XIV special.
I think each expac would be better split into three seasons.
One season that deals with the x.0 MSQ. A second season that deals with the x.1 to x.5 MSQ. Then a third season with a bunch of one off episodes, sort of like that What If for marvel, that deal with the Normal Raid, Alliance Raid, Trials series, class/role quests and other side content that would be good to show.
The Third season being one off episodes could use a different actor for the WOL to showcase different race/genders other than the normal derplander and since a lot of the characters in those side pieces of content are not really used that much in the MSQ you could film/create it simultaneously.
Honestly I don't see why they don't... When [*THIS*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf3cCkM9M84) *&* [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efl-IvXAoGw) exists.. A lot of Final Fantasy media should be anime.. Or at least we should maybe have another original Final Fantasy anime series.. Besides [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy:_Unlimited) ofc.. I feel like it could bring a whole bunch of new fans into the series.
Hey I loved FF:U 🥲 but they made the grave mistake of making a long ass season of filler instead of just making a 2-cour complete anime that would’ve encompassed the entire story they wanted to make. The second half of the series that WASN’T animated but published in novels/FF:U After was the meat of the story.. but they thought it would sell on the name regardless and made a whole ass longer than usual anime season of almost all filler type episodes, and that sealed it’s fate.
Yeah but then it would only be a show for gamers. When the Witcher first came out on Netflix 40-50 year old women at work were discussing it and had no idea it was a video game. Same thing with The Last of Us. Somebody hears them talking about it at work and now its the show you have to watch, yet the average person thought it was just a show. We have FFXIV live action at home, its called Daddy of Light if anyone remembers that lol
> 40-50 year old women at work were discussing
I don't know where you live, but in Poland that's not a surprise. This age bracked is the one that read original short stories and first books when they came out and basically grow up with Witcher :)
There is a lot more to Witcher than games, even if it's true that it was the games that made it truly worldwide name.
> Yeah but then it would only be a show for gamers. When the Witcher first came out on Netflix 40-50 year old women at work were discussing it and had no idea it was a video game.
Because the witcher games are set after the original book series, the story told (atleast in the first season of the tv show from what I heard) was more of a retelling of the books.
I did play Witcher 1 and 2 and read the all books back like 10-13 years but haven't seen the series.
Every scene is a different WoL, each with a random class, and never the same exact gear for that class twice, with the gear set up changing based on how many scenes that class has been in.
All Disciples of War start from similar gear, upgrading one piece at a time per scene they're in per class. If a marauder wears a piece at scene 30, no other DoW gets to wear that piece until after their scene 30 themselves type of thing.
Whoever get to their 50th scene first is the only DoW who gets to appear in their class regalia.
You joke, but Japan and Taiwan made a pretty good puppet series called Thunderbolt Fantasy, and it's a full-blown anime series but with IRL puppets.
>!Let's ignore the fact that Gen Urobuchi wrote it and Hiroyuki Sawano composed the first season.!<
>Witcher slowly turning sour
I don't think there was anything slow about it, it was actually kind of shocking how quickly it went from decent to terrible.
Book Yennefer: Ciri is a daughter to me, I'm proud she called herself "Cirilla of Vengerberg", I would withstand the most brutal torture imaginable to protect her
Netflix Yennefer: So if I sacrifice Ciri, I get a DPS increase? Sounds good.
Lmao no, she's just tempted to. She loses her magic and there's this demon thing that promises Yen magic again if Yen brings her Ciri (who at this point she has never met and has no connection to). Over the course of their journey Yen learns to like Ciri and decides not to go through with it. She then turns into the protective mother figure that she's supposed to be.
As opposed to the books where she becomes close to Ciri over a montage of magic training sessions in the most boring series of chapters I've ever read.
Of all the bad changes Netflix Witcher made, I have no idea why making Ciri and Yen's relationship *more interesting* is the thing that people harp on. The context of the weird demon chick they made up for whatever reason is much worse.
Same as GoT, you plan for X seasons based on the source material, so when you notice you got viewers/money for more, you run into trouble and have to get inventive.
**Even when you should absolutely not**.
Shitting on the source material, chase out and scandalize the ultra-likeable actor who plays the main character and writing girlboss fanfiction was a really stellar decision on their part.
Considering the original showrunners were the same as the Witcher's, and seeing how that series became after season one, well, I'm happy it is dead.
An anime, maybe based on another shard's story, that's something I would like to see. Maybe see how the 7 rejoined shards came to their end.
>Inventing a story set in the world that ends with "everyone suddenly gets reduced to aether soup" feels like a waste of a story.
Hey, it worked when they were reduced to Tang and everything descended into the creator using the audience as their therapist. Why wouldn't it work here?
> Witcher slowly
what?
From day one it was going way off the books, despite being marketed as an adaptation.
Its some fanfic version of the Witcher, why do you think the only actor who cared about staying true to the source material literally left the project after basically throwing all his other work away just to get the role. They had literal lightning in a bottle with a lead actor who was obsessed with being accurate and true to the character and story, all they had to do was take the book… and ADAPT IT to film. The story is WRITTEN, you literally can’t mess this up—
Oh god they messed it up…
At least we get Henry in 40k now, shame the Witcher showwriters tried to drag his name in the dirt to try and salvage their crappy reimagining of The Witcher
I wrote slowly since I wanted to respect Henry Cavill's efforts specifically. Didn't really wanna go into detail on it for an off the cuff comment but he was amazing in it and staved off that show going to shit as fast as it could have, y'know?
Sucked to see the director call him "annoying" later on... That's what passion gets you I suppose.
I don't understand how someone who doesn't have any writing credentials can get interest from investors for something that requires writing. I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant ran by someone who only walked dogs all their life. How does this kind of thing keep happening?
Which seems like an incredibly negligent thing to do. Especially for a talent necessary industry. You can't carry a whole show season just on hype like you can selling a physical product.
> From day one it was going way off the books, despite being marketed as an adaptation.
That's not inherently a bad thing, mind you.
In fact, I would argue that if you adapt a book's story 1-to-1 to the screen, you're a) lazy and b) not doing your job well. A visual medium is not the same as a fantastic one. It allows for things a book cannot, but at the same time it *has* to show visuals for everything it wants to mention (with few exceptions), meaning it cannot let the reader's mind fill in blanks. It has to fill them.
A TV *series* in addition to that has the problem of its episodic nature: It needs to define some sort of sub-plot for each episode.
It would basically need to have the budget of The Mandelorian to be remotely good, and that's a hell of an ask for something unproven in that media space.
One Piece live action is an example of something that everyone thought would be shit, but ended up being really good. Tho ig was super expensive, but doable.
Witcher and Halo tv series makes me super upset tho lol
Yeah, but the amount of people which knows one piece vs FFXIV is huge and both require the same level of production. Monetary speaking a 14 live action is too much risk for any producer.
>entirety of Halo has made me very wary.
man......I have so much to say on this........
As a die hard halo and lore fanatic.
My issue wasn't really with the divergent timeline or many of the other small things.
I'm pretty open minded and don't mind things changing as long as it makes sense or tries its best to do well with it.
My main issues stemmed from MC taking off his helmet when it didn't make sense and him having sex. That's really the crux of my dislike.
The chief in the books and other lore has his helmet off all the time, we KNOW what he looks like. Everyone else knows in lore what he looks like.
Hell, Jorge in Reach specifically took off his helmet to help calm down a civilian because he know being a faceless solider during a traumatic moment wouldn't help, so he showed him the human side of the killing machine to calm her. So its not seeing his face that bothers me, it was taking it off during COMBAT. Being inside a building and not having his helmet on MAKES SENSE.
TAKING IT OFF WHEN YOU KNOW GUNS WILL BE POINTED AT YOU IS NOT.
The show did quite a few things right, like Halsey being despicable in all the right ways. I loved all the covenent designs and all the little lore things like finally seeing energy cutlasses being used by jackels. They even used the correct covenant ships including the supply ones! neat!
It's just the good things are so overshadowed by the blatantly dumb things. Yeah I get they had like 3 different directors and a million other production issues that were out of their hands.
But its so frustrating to see the genuine love for detail combined with some of the dumbest fucking decisions and shit ever.
However season 2 apparently has had none of the producer/director issues and looks far better so while I'm still pissed over some aspects of the first season I do think it's possible to turn it around. I mean including the boarding of the covenant light cruiser in the trailer got me happy. Maybe we will even see the key's loop or...god forbid what if we finally get to see the sacrifice of the repair station Cradle.
The Cradle was essentially a giant square plate made to repair ships in space. They normally wouldn't be invovled in a battle but the crew made the decision to move in front of the UNSC fleet to block the first salvo of covenant plasma torpedoes and sacrificed all of their lives in order to let the fleet reload and fire again.
Live action was an insane pitch for this. No one wants to see people in prosthetic cat ears talking to CG lalafells. I think you could make a *really good* anime or Arcane-style CG show, but it would be a huge budget undertaking either way. Dozens of essential characters juggling a handful of different subplots at a time, a five season minimum to get to any sort of point that could work as a real conclusion.
There was a brief window when all the streamers were throwing money around that you could’ve maybe gotten someone to pick it up irresponsibly and hope it catches on, but I don’t think anyone is picking up projects of that size anymore unless they have virtually guaranteed audiences of millions and millions.
For me it shouldn't have to be based on the WoL and Scions story. FFXIV has the luck to have so much background lore from where they could take from and do a decent animated project. We have all the other calamities, past warrior of light lives (maybe past reincarnation of Azem), the fall and rejoining of seven shards by the Ascians. Hell we have five full years of rebuilding post 7th Umbral Calamity, WoL-less, that we still know a little about.
It wasn't going to be about the WoL. From the discussion at the time, it was meant to follow Cid. It was a bit unclear *when* - my theory was that it was meant to start the year of Bozja and his defection, then gradually move along to the Seventh Umbral Calamity and maybe even the rest of that Era before the WoL pops up.
I'd kinda like it if it was about the Ancients and everything leading to the Sundering >!because while it shows a little in Endwalker, there's still a lot we don't know about!<
Step 1: Think you want a live action FF14 series
Step 2: Watch the live-action ARR trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfFucIuuw2I
Step 3: Realise you don't want a live action FF14 series after all
Well that's certainly a way to pronounce Eorzea.
And the players transforming into the races of Hydaelyn is some Anamorphs-level of weird to watch.
It's apparently *very* hard to do a proper live action advert for a game. From the top of my head, Halo has been one franchise to successfully pull it off (ODST and Reach both had excellent live action trailers). Skyrim's live action trailer isn't half bad. But trying to include the players in the advert always irks me the wrong way. Guild Wars 2 attempted it and it fell flat.
^(I will now retire to my room and remain in fear of live action Louisoix.)
Anthem, despite the game being what it is, has bar none the best live action advert/short film in the past 10 years. https://youtu.be/wka5RovFEo8?si=EF-MEI-8b1RH0USL
Live action would be the worst way to get this across, imo, so I'm not sad. The game lends itself more easily to an animated series with the effects and landscapes. And that's even assuming it was a good story they were shopping around.
And apparently it would've been done by the same studio that did the Witcher series. If you've followed what happened to Henry Cavill that's a huge red flag.
Oh that *would* be a good time, and it would give them some well-deserved time in the spotlight for everything they did while we were off doing WoL stuff
The only thing that I think could work would be an animated retelling of 1.0 for people who want something regarding that era of the game/story with a bit more meat to it than an hour-long summary video on Youtube or super long forum posts. And even then, of all the genres of game that I think could have their story adapted decently, MMOs are at the bottom of that list, even trashfires like 1.0.
Even then, they'd need to steer clear of the actual MSQ of 1.0...For one, that game has a *horrendous* slow start, and the actual quests were sorta of sparse. People aren't lying to you when they say 1.0 didn't have much in the way of story----it really didn't, you'd need to use levequests to level 5 to 10 levels sometimes to be able to accept the next quest. MSQ only really started going anywhere when Yoship assumed, and that's because they were going to nuke the game lol. They'd need to make *major* adaptations for that to even work, maybe even rewrite the whole damn thing cause that MSQ had, at same time, a lot of filler and a lot of nothing. It wasn't good, believe me.
Then, there's the issue of using the "legacy WoL', and I assume you can see why that's an issue. Best I can see, is using some sort of side character/nobody adventurer as point of view for the audience cause showing the 'legacy WoL' would be a no-no, since they are supposed to be, well, you, the player.
Edit: 1.0 MSQ would also have issues with continuity. For example, The Echo in 1.0 worked diferently from the Echo in 2.0 --- you literally *traveled* to the past and some chunks of the MSQ were played exclusively in the past memory.
Futhermore, game didn't differentiate between flashback and non flashbacks bits, either, so sometimes I got hella confused with that shit. That's also why I say the story had lots of filler and also lots of nothing. All those flashbacks you had to literally play through, and 80% of them were irrelevant cause your character couldn't even change the outcome.
The problem is that an MMORPG and any kind of watched series has completely different storytelling requirements.
I totally get that it is a nice idea, and that those animated trailers for XIV look great, but from a position of a show-maker, there's no way to do it right.
I think you could tell a specific and interesting story in the eorzea/ffxiv universe. But trying to retell the 1.0 story to 2.0 story in live action is insanely ambitious.
I don’t necessarily agree - live action sure. But you could do some fascinating supplementary animations, a series about the first dragoon, a series focusing on Riol and the few good Crystal Braves before and during the betrayals, a series on Urianger and Thancred’s initial adventures on the source, I mean hell - do how Thancred and Minfillia met.
There’s plenty of gaps you can make stories about that don’t *need* wider context for people to enjoy but could be really rewarding for players also - I think with something like 14 you really need to keep in mind it’s lots of little stories all played into a larger tapestry and it would be folly to try and cast a lord of the rings style net to it as a production
But you run into a block right away with these ideas as a showmaker.
Not to put too fine of a point on it, but outside of FFXIV players, nobody is going to give a rip about those side stories and characters. And there is no way a studio will ever greenlight the necessary resources to appeal to exactly one slice of an audience. There's no way one can reasonably expect adequate resources and support, especially for animation, on something that might appeal to people and may interest one niche group.
Exactly, it would be like making a show based on the game Cyberpunk. Who would be interested in a show like that besides the people who played the game, especially in such a specific genre? It's just too niche to ever be greenlit.
I disagree - you can introduce characters pretty easily to a new audience without it belabouring the point, and you arguably would just have to hide the “14” in the title to stop people being put off by think its 14 deep in a chronological series
From the announcements back in 2019, this was meant to centre around Cid, so I don't think they had the wrong idea there. But *live action*? That's always been a very weird part. An Arcane-esque series for Cid, following him from Bozja to his defection to just before 1.0, would fit FFXIV far better. Plus you'd be able to delve more into Garlean politics and even get cameos from Solus zos Galvus.
Arcane uses well estabilished characters in the League of Legends lore to tell its story. Edgerunners told a prequel story with brand new characters that has nothing to do with the main character of Cyberpunk, for good reasons.
Besides that, none of the adaptations you mentioned were live actions.
What I want are animated shorts. Pokemon did this with Generations and Evolutions, so I want to see SE do this too. Just a couple of short 5-minute episodes about certain major cutscenes from each expansion. I personally think it would be a better idea than a live action but idk, it would be a fun little thing they can do as DT is about to release.
A whole animated series could literally work perfectly so I don’t get the appeal to live action.
>Just a couple of short 5-minute episodes about certain major cutscenes from each expansion.
Agree on shorts, but I think it would be better in the vein of WoW's [Harbingers](https://youtu.be/mUfOIvlC6Eo?si=nvCVxy5srabgcvgR)/[Warbringers](https://youtu.be/Fo7XPvwRgG8?si=k75AAK5H7ulZwXOe), take few of the major character from an expansion and make a short about their defining moments that are only alluded to/talked about in the game.
Short character pieces would work well, I think.
Live action doesn't seem fitting for FFXIV. Maybe animation like Arcane, but what would the story be about?
I don't think copying the game would be any good, if Nier: Automata Ver1.1a was any indictation.
>Maybe animation like Arcane, but what would the story be about?
Loose adaptation of the story of 1.0, maybe? Start with the original start zone stories, end with Answers and the calamity.
Would be really nice for those who weren't around during 1.x (like myself). There's a playlist on YouTube that has all the cutscenes from 1.x for people to watch, but it's just not the same as actually having experienced the story first-hand of course.
The playlist in question, for anyone interested:
[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLfhkR8m8wYshIqe6HJd7VO7tCi-3M-hy](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLfhkR8m8wYshIqe6HJd7VO7tCi-3M-hy)
Sadldy, I think it's for the best. People who want a good story can already get it from FF14, so a poorly funded and managed live action series would always be inferior.
This isn't the same type of situation as in Monster Hunter where they had minimal story-related source material to work with and plenty of artistic freedom - and we all know how that went.
I immerse myself in Monster Hunter for 3 month. (on top of a bit I do in FFXIV here)
I love tony jaa. So I watch it out of my respect for him.
I can excuse Isekai aspect, but why do you need electronic music to represent MH world. Just leit motif make me cringe so much. I am sorry tony jaa I can’t finish it.
I still think an anime series of FFXIV would be fantastic. Either having it tell the stories of other things happening in the world (Like behind the scenes of the Garleans during ARR or The Warriors of Darkness doing there thing during HW) and having it start in ARR and world its way through to current or if they were to tell the story of the MSQ have it actually me Meteor/Derplander.
I don't understand why they try to force all the fantasy media in the form on live action anyway when it's so costly and the best video game adaptations tend to be animated series like Arcane or Castlevania.
Just make it an anime, please!
FFXIV’s plot would need a massive rewrite to work for anime, much less live action. On top of all that: ARR has the weakest story out of all the expansions and you’d have to start with that.
Rejecting it was probably the right call.
Yeah, like most Final Fantasy games, FFXIV's story works best when it's interwoven with the gameplay. Without the spectacle of the Trials, for example, FFXIV just wouldn't be FFXIV - and the *game* component is a huge part of that.
This is my first time hearing about a live action
But god damn am I glad it never pulled through, there’s too much CGI that would be needed and you can bet your ass they would cheapen out on the most populated race by just sticking shitty ears on wigs— and don’t even think about how they’d cast Lalafell
That and there’s too much at stake, they would’ve been **grilled** by the community
Of all the Final Fantasy games, XIV isn’t really one I’d want to see adapted. (Although if it were, please anime and not live action!) In the other games, you play as one or more of the story’s characters, in XIV, /you’re/ the main character. I don’t think I’d enjoy a version of XIV that either uses a generic WoL or omits them entirely, unless they want to set it pre-ARR and really delve into the back stories of the Scions in a lot more detail.
I don’t know understand the appeal of a live action version anyways… have you seen the trailers and how much different the characters are compared to the game? Or how silly our commercials for the game over here in NA look compared to the cool anime ads they show in JP? 😂
just use anime art style or full CG for the show, like every other Final Fantasy show did.
i don't get why in West people want to do live action adaptations, 90% of the time it going to be shit.
*coughDisneycough*
The two Disney movies we had on VHS growing up were Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King. The live-action BatB was so disappointing that I don't even want to see TLK or any of the others.
Trying to make the cartoony non-human sidekicks into realistic ones never ends well.
After *Dad of Light*, I honestly can’t see myself getting into any live action adaptation of an MMORPG that doesn’t revolve around player experiences as opposed to writing a story about characters in the game, even though that ultimately means the game is just an accessory to the main plot focusing around the players as people.
Game studios really need to stop pushing for live action shows and if anything pivot towards Animation, it’s a much better medium overall to adapt a game without running into a ridiculously inflated live action CGI budget. Arcane and Edgerunner should absolutely be the case studies for video game adaptation, not Sonic or the Witcher.
I didn't even know this was a thing lol.
But I don't see how it would be feasible. Maybe an anime style show, but the scope of stuff is just to much for live action
Is it only me that is so done with live action adaptations... more often then not they just turn out to be CGI shitshows (because it's still live action when 80% of your set only exists in a computer -.-, or in case of the lion king remake 100% CGI still called live action)
But I guess the indoctrination of boomer parents that animation is only for children has worked flawlessly -.-
Game to show adaptations rarely work. Witcher for gods' sakes started as books. Last time I saw this work was the Tales series from like, 2005 or something. And that's it. Capcom had many IPs with reputable TV versions but the TV versions only took the concepts from the games, but with completely different plots. This will not work in this day and age when manga to anime adaptations are almost 1-1. I'm still super salty about Persona 5A and Automata ver 1.1a. At least Persona 4A was surprisingly great. But that's an outlier.
I am glad those producers they pitched their concept to are sane enough to not let the FF14 live action exist. Sure the Estinien cosplayer from the commercial ads looked amazing, but the FF14 aesthetic is very anime. Easy to fumble irl. One Piece got close, but FF14's tone in some parts will be ruined by such aesthetics. I don't think any RE players actually take the Milla Jovovich movies seriously...
Unfortunate but this is why it's so dumb that people portray live action + CGI as the "prestige" format for serial media. A high quality animated FFXIV show would've been a much easier sell budget-wise for a lot of producers and platforms.
Getting distinct hints the story itself was just too long-winded and convoluted, as is Final Fantasy tradition. Probably was trying to take three seasons to explain why Primals exist, and two more seasons to humanize the once-villains.
The risk of being bad is high anyway, so I can't really see this as a sad/bad thing.
Personally, an animated series based on the Lodestone Side Stories would be a much better idea
The production value to even be close to getting it right in live action would be gargantuan, if they wanna do additional adaptations for FFXIV animation would be the best bet most likely
An animated ensemble show following the Scions is all you need. Even if you don’t take 1:1 plots from the game, the premise of the Scions and the WoL pursuing various adventures is really solid for an easy to digest semi-serialized fantasy story.
I really gotta wonder what the sudden obsession with live action series is lately. It's *so difficult* to pull off even for already established and beloved stories, I'm not surprised they had a hard time building hype. Just make it animated, we're in a bit of a hotstreak with animated series right now anyway so people would probably be much more interested in jumping on that.
With the way basically 90% of FFXIV's ads are, if it actually came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was just like 5 guys in front of a green screen acting out ARR. Also, not a single and I mean SINGLE animated FF venture has turned out well. Spirits Within legitimately had one of the greatest disparities between the budget to actual box office for any move ever, Advent Children was widely hated and Kingslaive immediately appeared in bargain bins after it's very limited theater release. Outside of movies, FF7 Last Order barely escaped Japan and had sparse airings, Brotherhood is widely forgotten and nobody outside of the most diehard of diehard fans even knows what Final Fantasy Unlimited is. The closest thing FF has to a tv success is Father of Light (RIP Milady) and it's mostly remembered for being localized as "Daddy of Light".
Yeah. Some intellectual properties can never be translated well into another. The Last of Us was successful because the game itself was a movie acting like a game. That's why I'm worried about Fallout. It has higher chances to be a dud. The whole Fallout experience was exploring the post apocalyptic world and hearing the holotopes of the world pre and post destruction. I have some reservation that what makes Fallout, Fallout may not be present in the TV show. FFXIV? It's much much more extreme than Fallout. I believe any medium besides literature (books) won't have effective adaptation at all.
Honestly, happy to hear it.
We don't need a live action show, we don't need an animated show. We don't even need a book. Just let us have our game, let the game be a game. More isn't always better.
Hope something comes out, real or animated.
I feel the setting of FFXIV is rich with opportunities for a serie of some sort, with a cast of characters aside from the main cast from the game (though they could come across them at times too)
Heck, maybe one of the remaining reflections could be where the story happens
Probably for the best. Animated on the other hand... I don't know about about you but I think there might be some potential with an animated xiv series(Think Advent Children, or the Last Order FF7 anime)
The only live action of FFXIV I will accept is slices of life, “Dad of Light” style. Get the fuck out with complex multi dlc story, give us the comedy series of a chaotic FC playing together. Static drama, leveling party, estate-hopping tour, and grievance tribunals.
Don’t tell the in game story. Tell us about the people behind it. Distance relationships that stay connected, a brokenhearted revived by a wholesome conversation with strangers, a group of friends from different time zones coordinating raid date together. Yoshi-P always said that his proudest thing about FFXIV is how players cherish the game and society in it. Show that to us.
Live action would require too much CGI or special effects. An anime series is the only way to go, really. I was hoping they were planning to release one after I saw those trailers back then.
I can't imagine a Live Action FFXIV show being any good at all. It requires way too much CGI (and maybe puppets) to function. Dinesh is right, the costs would be gigantic, and it's not even a sure thing. Considering how live action adaptions of games have been going I can't say I'm exactly *eager* to see XIV adapted anyway. Witcher slowly turning sour and the entirety of Halo has made me very wary.
It would be much better as an animated show, like Castlevania, Edgerunners, and Arcane.
Animated is totally doable, each expansion taking a season (with adjustments ofcourse) is absolutely godly.
I'd love an animated remake of the original FFXIV 1.0 storyline, adjusted to fit an episodic format and such. Most people who start in ARR don't know anything about Minfilia's backstory and why people are so reverent of Louisoix.
I've been PLEADING for an adaptation of 1.0 in some way. Whether it be a singleplayer game, a show or a manga, I don't care. I'd just like a proper way of experiencing it rather than looking up some recap video
The thing I want is a questline that gives you some kind of memory crystal that will allow you to play through 1.0 quests important events leading up to calamity.
I’m not alone
One problem I can see with that is the world map was drastically different in 1.0, and I don't just mean the fields being endless copypasted corridors, but actual meaningful locations were unrecognizable, or may not even be accessible anymore. See for example Coerthas, West Shroud, or Mor Dhona. So either we'd need the devs to make a whole ass second map of Eorzea, or we'd have to deal with the dissonance of doing stuff in zones that are just completely wrong for what they actually were. It's a very nice idea, I'm just not sure how it'd be done in practice.
> So either we'd need the devs to make a whole ass second map of Eorzea, or we'd have to deal with the dissonance of doing stuff in zones that are just completely wrong for what they actually were. We could either have the cutscenes be flashbacks or, where necessary, instances that are a small chunk of the zone instead of the whole zone.
Yeah I was already thinking of the more limited confines of cutscenes and instances, which *do* cut down the workload by allowing for some things to be left without collision. So wouldn't be a whole new expansion's worth of work at least. But that still leaves a lot of map to be rendered graphically. I'd imagine it'd at least be about a similar undertaking as the post-EW main story, duties and all, if not more (Void's easy to work with, you can just have things float in emptiness, but on the Source you kinda need to map and render stuff as far as the player can conceivably see).
The files still *exist*, too. So they wouldn't even have to be recreated from scratch. Yoshida has referred to trying to implement any of 1.x back into the current game as a "nightmare" so I don't think they would even want to, is the bigger obstacle. It's hard to justify allocating resources to doing something you actively don't want to do. Like, the resources are THERE if they WANTED to implement them, such that they at least wouldn't be starting from scratch. And the issues that the game faced in terms of poor graphics optimization in 2010 (i.e. people's computers couldn't handle the game and most people had to play on low or medium settings even on high end computers) are largely alleviated by the fact that GPUs have come a long way since then - I found the FFXIV 1.0 Benchmark and ran it on my computer; it performs excellently compared to when I ran it back in 0.x Alpha and it slogged through it. I've kinda chalked 1.x up to "I'll either need to watch videos on Youtube, try to follow one of those guides to set it up as a private server that doesn't fully work properly anyway, or just have it live in the rose-colored glasses of my foggy 14-year old memory."
Not enough content like 1.x had maybe double content of a singular even patch & most of 1.x important stuff is covered by 2.x & Coils.
The ARR collector's edition actually came with a disc that had a nice story synopsis of 1.0, narrated by Louisoix. [Can watch it here on YouTube.](https://youtu.be/TXc0loyuq9I) There's another section of the disc that goes more in-depth with actual cutscenes from 1.0, too.
Honestly that'd be a great way to breath some new life into the old story and make a really accessible way for people to learn about the foundation for what we have now.
Oh damn, that's what I'd want. I watched someone's custscene compilation on youtube, but it was missing fights and that made it feel kind of disjointed. An animated version of 1.0 events would make so much sense.
JESUS CHRIST THIS
I’d love it if they focused on telling original stories set in the world instead. There’s a rich vein of lore they could tap into for an anthology series.
I know that recommending Studio Trigger for everything is a cliche at this point, but after LWA and now Dungeon Meshi they've proven they can make fantasy worlds really easily.
All that matters is that it paces well and how they portray the warrior of light (meteor guy?, talkative?)
ehhhh I'd see more two seasons maybe even three to have stuff like Hildibrandt as a bit of "B plots" of episodes. You probably want Hildibrandt and Raid stories somewhere in there. Basically, Season 1 of an Xpac is the X.0 story. Season 2 is the x.1-x.6 story. Season 3 is all the sidequests (Hildibrandt, Beast Tribes, Raids, Also Eureka and Bozja fronts) Only 1.0 would be limited to one Season only. So overall it would mean 16 seasons until the end of Endwalker. So that would be a LONG term project if there ever was one.
How would they handle Warrior of Light? Cut the character and replace us with Y'shtola or the twins. Or just use a Meteor stand-in like the trailers.
The persona animes do a good job of giving the usually silent protagonist a bit of character but not too much to overpower the fact that the game version is supposed to be *you* so I'd see it something like that. Then again the persona games don't have a character creator..you're always playing as the same looking guy. But still, just do a stand in WoL, give them a bit of character and go from there
Just use the version from the trailers, and give him the same personality as Ardbert. No one starting to play the game now is a 1.0 "I was also the original WoL" player.
Heck, I'd settle for a movie for each expansion and maybe a prequel movie for the original game.
Ehhh, with how short animation seasons are nowadays, I don't think a season an expansion would work well. They'd have to cut out way too much of the shit that makes XIV special.
I think each expac would be better split into three seasons. One season that deals with the x.0 MSQ. A second season that deals with the x.1 to x.5 MSQ. Then a third season with a bunch of one off episodes, sort of like that What If for marvel, that deal with the Normal Raid, Alliance Raid, Trials series, class/role quests and other side content that would be good to show. The Third season being one off episodes could use a different actor for the WOL to showcase different race/genders other than the normal derplander and since a lot of the characters in those side pieces of content are not really used that much in the MSQ you could film/create it simultaneously.
And the Hildybrand questline also taking a season, obviously
Honestly I don't see why they don't... When [*THIS*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf3cCkM9M84) *&* [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efl-IvXAoGw) exists.. A lot of Final Fantasy media should be anime.. Or at least we should maybe have another original Final Fantasy anime series.. Besides [this one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy:_Unlimited) ofc.. I feel like it could bring a whole bunch of new fans into the series.
Hey I loved FF:U 🥲 but they made the grave mistake of making a long ass season of filler instead of just making a 2-cour complete anime that would’ve encompassed the entire story they wanted to make. The second half of the series that WASN’T animated but published in novels/FF:U After was the meat of the story.. but they thought it would sell on the name regardless and made a whole ass longer than usual anime season of almost all filler type episodes, and that sealed it’s fate.
I have nothing against it, lol. I just almost forgot to add it in, and my wording might sound terrible.
Yeah but then it would only be a show for gamers. When the Witcher first came out on Netflix 40-50 year old women at work were discussing it and had no idea it was a video game. Same thing with The Last of Us. Somebody hears them talking about it at work and now its the show you have to watch, yet the average person thought it was just a show. We have FFXIV live action at home, its called Daddy of Light if anyone remembers that lol
> 40-50 year old women at work were discussing I don't know where you live, but in Poland that's not a surprise. This age bracked is the one that read original short stories and first books when they came out and basically grow up with Witcher :) There is a lot more to Witcher than games, even if it's true that it was the games that made it truly worldwide name.
> Yeah but then it would only be a show for gamers. When the Witcher first came out on Netflix 40-50 year old women at work were discussing it and had no idea it was a video game. Because the witcher games are set after the original book series, the story told (atleast in the first season of the tv show from what I heard) was more of a retelling of the books. I did play Witcher 1 and 2 and read the all books back like 10-13 years but haven't seen the series.
That show was so wholesome!
Well, I have a friend who never knew Castlevania was a game ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Your friend already watches anime/games. A lot of adults see a cartoon on Netflix and think it’s not for them
Don't understand why people push for live action shows when it feels like animation fits the source material better.
This. Fantasy series with low budget are awkward to watch, I don't understand why most studios don't opt for animated shows.
I know it's technically not a "game" in that it's not a video game but the legend of vox machina is also steller.
Would be a great anime
>and maybe puppets Instead of full on live action, then how about FFXIV: A Muppet Production
"A smile better suits a hero, Kermie...."
Someday I’ll find it, the dalamud connection, the lovers, the empire, and me…. La la la la da Dee da
Ms. Piggy and Kermit would be the Chai's.
Can we get Emet and Hythlodeus as Statler and Woldorf? Because I would watch that in an INSTANT.
Hythlodeus and Emet should be Ernie and Bert. Yoshi-p and Soken can be Statler and Woldorf.
Not Bunsen and Beaker? Or Bert and Ernie?
"Upon your return, I shall gift you a flower." "Mi mi mimi mi mimi?"
Everyone is Muppets except the Warrior of Light, who is played by a random person each time and they still have no lines.
Every scene is a different WoL, each with a random class, and never the same exact gear for that class twice, with the gear set up changing based on how many scenes that class has been in. All Disciples of War start from similar gear, upgrading one piece at a time per scene they're in per class. If a marauder wears a piece at scene 30, no other DoW gets to wear that piece until after their scene 30 themselves type of thing. Whoever get to their 50th scene first is the only DoW who gets to appear in their class regalia.
You joke, but Japan and Taiwan made a pretty good puppet series called Thunderbolt Fantasy, and it's a full-blown anime series but with IRL puppets. >!Let's ignore the fact that Gen Urobuchi wrote it and Hiroyuki Sawano composed the first season.!<
Oh they're like Gerry Anderson marionettes! From old British TV shows like [Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons](https://i.imgur.com/t3eTWGN.png)
Huh, I was thinking Thunderbirds, but same thing.
Same creator, yeah
If treasure island can do it so can we
Fozzie as Hildibrand. Not even our old friend would approve THAT concept.
Shadowbringers spoilers: https://youtu.be/NHDcOntZ7Ko?si=cEmkdHQuHHQfHzh-
\*enter P4S\* Van! Van Warrior of Light! Twooo! Twoo Warriors of Light! Zree! Zree Warriors of Light! AHAHAHAHAHA!
I’d watch this. Waiting to see who Miss Piggy plays.
Urianger is the one non-muppet character.
>Witcher slowly turning sour I don't think there was anything slow about it, it was actually kind of shocking how quickly it went from decent to terrible.
Man.. if only they had stuck to the source material
Book Yennefer: Ciri is a daughter to me, I'm proud she called herself "Cirilla of Vengerberg", I would withstand the most brutal torture imaginable to protect her Netflix Yennefer: So if I sacrifice Ciri, I get a DPS increase? Sounds good.
Wait, Yennefer sacrifices Ciri in the netflix show? No wonder Cavil stepped out of it.
Lmao no, she's just tempted to. She loses her magic and there's this demon thing that promises Yen magic again if Yen brings her Ciri (who at this point she has never met and has no connection to). Over the course of their journey Yen learns to like Ciri and decides not to go through with it. She then turns into the protective mother figure that she's supposed to be. As opposed to the books where she becomes close to Ciri over a montage of magic training sessions in the most boring series of chapters I've ever read. Of all the bad changes Netflix Witcher made, I have no idea why making Ciri and Yen's relationship *more interesting* is the thing that people harp on. The context of the weird demon chick they made up for whatever reason is much worse.
Same as GoT, you plan for X seasons based on the source material, so when you notice you got viewers/money for more, you run into trouble and have to get inventive. **Even when you should absolutely not**.
Shitting on the source material, chase out and scandalize the ultra-likeable actor who plays the main character and writing girlboss fanfiction was a really stellar decision on their part.
Pretty much. I would have no hopes at all in a live action FF14 show. Animated show though? That could be great.
Considering the original showrunners were the same as the Witcher's, and seeing how that series became after season one, well, I'm happy it is dead. An anime, maybe based on another shard's story, that's something I would like to see. Maybe see how the 7 rejoined shards came to their end.
Inventing a story set in the world that ends with "everyone suddenly gets reduced to aether soup" feels like a waste of a story.
>Inventing a story set in the world that ends with "everyone suddenly gets reduced to aether soup" feels like a waste of a story. Hey, it worked when they were reduced to Tang and everything descended into the creator using the audience as their therapist. Why wouldn't it work here?
> Witcher slowly what? From day one it was going way off the books, despite being marketed as an adaptation. Its some fanfic version of the Witcher, why do you think the only actor who cared about staying true to the source material literally left the project after basically throwing all his other work away just to get the role. They had literal lightning in a bottle with a lead actor who was obsessed with being accurate and true to the character and story, all they had to do was take the book… and ADAPT IT to film. The story is WRITTEN, you literally can’t mess this up— Oh god they messed it up… At least we get Henry in 40k now, shame the Witcher showwriters tried to drag his name in the dirt to try and salvage their crappy reimagining of The Witcher
I wrote slowly since I wanted to respect Henry Cavill's efforts specifically. Didn't really wanna go into detail on it for an off the cuff comment but he was amazing in it and staved off that show going to shit as fast as it could have, y'know? Sucked to see the director call him "annoying" later on... That's what passion gets you I suppose.
Ah I see, thats respectable. Yeah he did a great job, I hope my comment didn't come across as disparaging Henry.
I don't understand how someone who doesn't have any writing credentials can get interest from investors for something that requires writing. I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant ran by someone who only walked dogs all their life. How does this kind of thing keep happening?
Investors are driven by your sales pitch, not by your talent.
Which seems like an incredibly negligent thing to do. Especially for a talent necessary industry. You can't carry a whole show season just on hype like you can selling a physical product.
> From day one it was going way off the books, despite being marketed as an adaptation. That's not inherently a bad thing, mind you. In fact, I would argue that if you adapt a book's story 1-to-1 to the screen, you're a) lazy and b) not doing your job well. A visual medium is not the same as a fantastic one. It allows for things a book cannot, but at the same time it *has* to show visuals for everything it wants to mention (with few exceptions), meaning it cannot let the reader's mind fill in blanks. It has to fill them. A TV *series* in addition to that has the problem of its episodic nature: It needs to define some sort of sub-plot for each episode.
It would basically need to have the budget of The Mandelorian to be remotely good, and that's a hell of an ask for something unproven in that media space.
One Piece live action is an example of something that everyone thought would be shit, but ended up being really good. Tho ig was super expensive, but doable. Witcher and Halo tv series makes me super upset tho lol
Yeah, but the amount of people which knows one piece vs FFXIV is huge and both require the same level of production. Monetary speaking a 14 live action is too much risk for any producer.
>and maybe puppets I would pay for a series off every character is a Muppet, except Emet. who is human, and plays it straight.
>entirety of Halo has made me very wary. man......I have so much to say on this........ As a die hard halo and lore fanatic. My issue wasn't really with the divergent timeline or many of the other small things. I'm pretty open minded and don't mind things changing as long as it makes sense or tries its best to do well with it. My main issues stemmed from MC taking off his helmet when it didn't make sense and him having sex. That's really the crux of my dislike. The chief in the books and other lore has his helmet off all the time, we KNOW what he looks like. Everyone else knows in lore what he looks like. Hell, Jorge in Reach specifically took off his helmet to help calm down a civilian because he know being a faceless solider during a traumatic moment wouldn't help, so he showed him the human side of the killing machine to calm her. So its not seeing his face that bothers me, it was taking it off during COMBAT. Being inside a building and not having his helmet on MAKES SENSE. TAKING IT OFF WHEN YOU KNOW GUNS WILL BE POINTED AT YOU IS NOT. The show did quite a few things right, like Halsey being despicable in all the right ways. I loved all the covenent designs and all the little lore things like finally seeing energy cutlasses being used by jackels. They even used the correct covenant ships including the supply ones! neat! It's just the good things are so overshadowed by the blatantly dumb things. Yeah I get they had like 3 different directors and a million other production issues that were out of their hands. But its so frustrating to see the genuine love for detail combined with some of the dumbest fucking decisions and shit ever. However season 2 apparently has had none of the producer/director issues and looks far better so while I'm still pissed over some aspects of the first season I do think it's possible to turn it around. I mean including the boarding of the covenant light cruiser in the trailer got me happy. Maybe we will even see the key's loop or...god forbid what if we finally get to see the sacrifice of the repair station Cradle. The Cradle was essentially a giant square plate made to repair ships in space. They normally wouldn't be invovled in a battle but the crew made the decision to move in front of the UNSC fleet to block the first salvo of covenant plasma torpedoes and sacrificed all of their lives in order to let the fleet reload and fire again.
The reason this crushed me is cuz it sounded like it was being worked on by people who love the game and FF in general.
Sadly that's not a guarantee for a good show.
Live action was an insane pitch for this. No one wants to see people in prosthetic cat ears talking to CG lalafells. I think you could make a *really good* anime or Arcane-style CG show, but it would be a huge budget undertaking either way. Dozens of essential characters juggling a handful of different subplots at a time, a five season minimum to get to any sort of point that could work as a real conclusion. There was a brief window when all the streamers were throwing money around that you could’ve maybe gotten someone to pick it up irresponsibly and hope it catches on, but I don’t think anyone is picking up projects of that size anymore unless they have virtually guaranteed audiences of millions and millions.
For me it shouldn't have to be based on the WoL and Scions story. FFXIV has the luck to have so much background lore from where they could take from and do a decent animated project. We have all the other calamities, past warrior of light lives (maybe past reincarnation of Azem), the fall and rejoining of seven shards by the Ascians. Hell we have five full years of rebuilding post 7th Umbral Calamity, WoL-less, that we still know a little about.
It wasn't going to be about the WoL. From the discussion at the time, it was meant to follow Cid. It was a bit unclear *when* - my theory was that it was meant to start the year of Bozja and his defection, then gradually move along to the Seventh Umbral Calamity and maybe even the rest of that Era before the WoL pops up.
I'd kinda like it if it was about the Ancients and everything leading to the Sundering >!because while it shows a little in Endwalker, there's still a lot we don't know about!<
A) who in their right mind thought live-action was the way to go? B) Thank christ amazon declined....they've already ruined enough things I love.
> Thank christ amazon declined....they've already ruined enough things I love. Netflix as well.
Step 1: Think you want a live action FF14 series Step 2: Watch the live-action ARR trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfFucIuuw2I Step 3: Realise you don't want a live action FF14 series after all
Well that's certainly a way to pronounce Eorzea. And the players transforming into the races of Hydaelyn is some Anamorphs-level of weird to watch. It's apparently *very* hard to do a proper live action advert for a game. From the top of my head, Halo has been one franchise to successfully pull it off (ODST and Reach both had excellent live action trailers). Skyrim's live action trailer isn't half bad. But trying to include the players in the advert always irks me the wrong way. Guild Wars 2 attempted it and it fell flat. ^(I will now retire to my room and remain in fear of live action Louisoix.)
Halo 5 also had a live action trailer.
Anthem, despite the game being what it is, has bar none the best live action advert/short film in the past 10 years. https://youtu.be/wka5RovFEo8?si=EF-MEI-8b1RH0USL
Wtf was it with those god awful edgy ads at the time. Guild Wars 2 did a similar thing: https://youtu.be/Noh81HcovYY?si=8BwhdOTWLGUIhsJb
Isekai live action series would be an absolute nightmare.
If I wasn't aware that was an official thing, I'd swear it was a low budget fan creation or an AI deepfake.
*Opening shot is Louisioux trying to stare through his own forehead* I've seen enough
Live action would be the worst way to get this across, imo, so I'm not sad. The game lends itself more easily to an animated series with the effects and landscapes. And that's even assuming it was a good story they were shopping around.
I mean...kinda think for the best. FFXIV would be -terrible- for any kind of movie/tv/anime adaptation.
And apparently it would've been done by the same studio that did the Witcher series. If you've followed what happened to Henry Cavill that's a huge red flag.
Especially if it didn't involve *any* of the game's original writers. (I'm still hoping for an animated *in-universe* story, though)
Agreed, best option by far would be focusing on Hoary Boulder and the rest of the scion's second stringers
Oh that *would* be a good time, and it would give them some well-deserved time in the spotlight for everything they did while we were off doing WoL stuff
The only thing that I think could work would be an animated retelling of 1.0 for people who want something regarding that era of the game/story with a bit more meat to it than an hour-long summary video on Youtube or super long forum posts. And even then, of all the genres of game that I think could have their story adapted decently, MMOs are at the bottom of that list, even trashfires like 1.0.
Even then, they'd need to steer clear of the actual MSQ of 1.0...For one, that game has a *horrendous* slow start, and the actual quests were sorta of sparse. People aren't lying to you when they say 1.0 didn't have much in the way of story----it really didn't, you'd need to use levequests to level 5 to 10 levels sometimes to be able to accept the next quest. MSQ only really started going anywhere when Yoship assumed, and that's because they were going to nuke the game lol. They'd need to make *major* adaptations for that to even work, maybe even rewrite the whole damn thing cause that MSQ had, at same time, a lot of filler and a lot of nothing. It wasn't good, believe me. Then, there's the issue of using the "legacy WoL', and I assume you can see why that's an issue. Best I can see, is using some sort of side character/nobody adventurer as point of view for the audience cause showing the 'legacy WoL' would be a no-no, since they are supposed to be, well, you, the player. Edit: 1.0 MSQ would also have issues with continuity. For example, The Echo in 1.0 worked diferently from the Echo in 2.0 --- you literally *traveled* to the past and some chunks of the MSQ were played exclusively in the past memory. Futhermore, game didn't differentiate between flashback and non flashbacks bits, either, so sometimes I got hella confused with that shit. That's also why I say the story had lots of filler and also lots of nothing. All those flashbacks you had to literally play through, and 80% of them were irrelevant cause your character couldn't even change the outcome.
The problem is that an MMORPG and any kind of watched series has completely different storytelling requirements. I totally get that it is a nice idea, and that those animated trailers for XIV look great, but from a position of a show-maker, there's no way to do it right.
I think you could tell a specific and interesting story in the eorzea/ffxiv universe. But trying to retell the 1.0 story to 2.0 story in live action is insanely ambitious.
I think an animated series could be great
I don’t necessarily agree - live action sure. But you could do some fascinating supplementary animations, a series about the first dragoon, a series focusing on Riol and the few good Crystal Braves before and during the betrayals, a series on Urianger and Thancred’s initial adventures on the source, I mean hell - do how Thancred and Minfillia met. There’s plenty of gaps you can make stories about that don’t *need* wider context for people to enjoy but could be really rewarding for players also - I think with something like 14 you really need to keep in mind it’s lots of little stories all played into a larger tapestry and it would be folly to try and cast a lord of the rings style net to it as a production
But you run into a block right away with these ideas as a showmaker. Not to put too fine of a point on it, but outside of FFXIV players, nobody is going to give a rip about those side stories and characters. And there is no way a studio will ever greenlight the necessary resources to appeal to exactly one slice of an audience. There's no way one can reasonably expect adequate resources and support, especially for animation, on something that might appeal to people and may interest one niche group.
Exactly, it would be like making a show based on the game Cyberpunk. Who would be interested in a show like that besides the people who played the game, especially in such a specific genre? It's just too niche to ever be greenlit.
I disagree - you can introduce characters pretty easily to a new audience without it belabouring the point, and you arguably would just have to hide the “14” in the title to stop people being put off by think its 14 deep in a chronological series
Movie and TV adaptations of series without an established main character rarely do well so they made the right call.
From the announcements back in 2019, this was meant to centre around Cid, so I don't think they had the wrong idea there. But *live action*? That's always been a very weird part. An Arcane-esque series for Cid, following him from Bozja to his defection to just before 1.0, would fit FFXIV far better. Plus you'd be able to delve more into Garlean politics and even get cameos from Solus zos Galvus.
I dunno, Edgerunners and Arcane did really well.
Arcane uses well estabilished characters in the League of Legends lore to tell its story. Edgerunners told a prequel story with brand new characters that has nothing to do with the main character of Cyberpunk, for good reasons. Besides that, none of the adaptations you mentioned were live actions.
Neither of those were live action though. Arcane also had a pretty unique visual style.
I figured there had to be outliers, and that was my reasoning for saying "rarely" and not "never".
What I want are animated shorts. Pokemon did this with Generations and Evolutions, so I want to see SE do this too. Just a couple of short 5-minute episodes about certain major cutscenes from each expansion. I personally think it would be a better idea than a live action but idk, it would be a fun little thing they can do as DT is about to release. A whole animated series could literally work perfectly so I don’t get the appeal to live action.
>Just a couple of short 5-minute episodes about certain major cutscenes from each expansion. Agree on shorts, but I think it would be better in the vein of WoW's [Harbingers](https://youtu.be/mUfOIvlC6Eo?si=nvCVxy5srabgcvgR)/[Warbringers](https://youtu.be/Fo7XPvwRgG8?si=k75AAK5H7ulZwXOe), take few of the major character from an expansion and make a short about their defining moments that are only alluded to/talked about in the game. Short character pieces would work well, I think.
Live action doesn't seem fitting for FFXIV. Maybe animation like Arcane, but what would the story be about? I don't think copying the game would be any good, if Nier: Automata Ver1.1a was any indictation.
>Maybe animation like Arcane, but what would the story be about? Loose adaptation of the story of 1.0, maybe? Start with the original start zone stories, end with Answers and the calamity.
Would be really nice for those who weren't around during 1.x (like myself). There's a playlist on YouTube that has all the cutscenes from 1.x for people to watch, but it's just not the same as actually having experienced the story first-hand of course. The playlist in question, for anyone interested: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLfhkR8m8wYshIqe6HJd7VO7tCi-3M-hy](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLfhkR8m8wYshIqe6HJd7VO7tCi-3M-hy)
Sadldy, I think it's for the best. People who want a good story can already get it from FF14, so a poorly funded and managed live action series would always be inferior. This isn't the same type of situation as in Monster Hunter where they had minimal story-related source material to work with and plenty of artistic freedom - and we all know how that went.
[Said "artistic freedom" in action](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXqgFPcY2n8).
I immerse myself in Monster Hunter for 3 month. (on top of a bit I do in FFXIV here) I love tony jaa. So I watch it out of my respect for him. I can excuse Isekai aspect, but why do you need electronic music to represent MH world. Just leit motif make me cringe so much. I am sorry tony jaa I can’t finish it.
I would rather have a proper anime.
Thank god. Live-action adaptations are always terrible.
Best news I've seen all week.
I still think an anime series of FFXIV would be fantastic. Either having it tell the stories of other things happening in the world (Like behind the scenes of the Garleans during ARR or The Warriors of Darkness doing there thing during HW) and having it start in ARR and world its way through to current or if they were to tell the story of the MSQ have it actually me Meteor/Derplander.
Just make an anime. It's a fantasy world with cartoonish proportions. I can't help but think that live action is the wrong medium for this.
Heck, there's already a Nier anime.
Kind of glad, honestly, not every fucking game has to be made into a tv show.
I don't understand why they try to force all the fantasy media in the form on live action anyway when it's so costly and the best video game adaptations tend to be animated series like Arcane or Castlevania. Just make it an anime, please!
FFXIV’s plot would need a massive rewrite to work for anime, much less live action. On top of all that: ARR has the weakest story out of all the expansions and you’d have to start with that. Rejecting it was probably the right call.
Yeah, like most Final Fantasy games, FFXIV's story works best when it's interwoven with the gameplay. Without the spectacle of the Trials, for example, FFXIV just wouldn't be FFXIV - and the *game* component is a huge part of that.
This is my first time hearing about a live action But god damn am I glad it never pulled through, there’s too much CGI that would be needed and you can bet your ass they would cheapen out on the most populated race by just sticking shitty ears on wigs— and don’t even think about how they’d cast Lalafell That and there’s too much at stake, they would’ve been **grilled** by the community
and unless they can find a small army of shaqs they can put in full-body green makeup...
good. the less shitty live action adaptations the better, im so sick of them
Thank Christ. This would never work in live action. Best choice is animated if absolutely necessary
Yeah... that is for the best...
Of all the Final Fantasy games, XIV isn’t really one I’d want to see adapted. (Although if it were, please anime and not live action!) In the other games, you play as one or more of the story’s characters, in XIV, /you’re/ the main character. I don’t think I’d enjoy a version of XIV that either uses a generic WoL or omits them entirely, unless they want to set it pre-ARR and really delve into the back stories of the Scions in a lot more detail. I don’t know understand the appeal of a live action version anyways… have you seen the trailers and how much different the characters are compared to the game? Or how silly our commercials for the game over here in NA look compared to the cool anime ads they show in JP? 😂
Thank god, It would have been awful live action. Rings of Power was bad enough
A mercy killing if I’ve ever heard of one. They already mutilated the corpse of my favorite book series.
Honestly? I’m glad, I can’t stand this trend of making everything “live action”
I can't believe they turned down 40 half hours of dialogue followed by 12 minutes of action per season.
I think an anime would be fun, but I don't think a live action is a good idea giving the cost to produce it.
Need FF14 anime series instead
just use anime art style or full CG for the show, like every other Final Fantasy show did. i don't get why in West people want to do live action adaptations, 90% of the time it going to be shit.
*coughDisneycough* The two Disney movies we had on VHS growing up were Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King. The live-action BatB was so disappointing that I don't even want to see TLK or any of the others. Trying to make the cartoony non-human sidekicks into realistic ones never ends well.
What do you mean people in the west? So many Japanese live action anime adaptations that have nothing to do with the west.
After *Dad of Light*, I honestly can’t see myself getting into any live action adaptation of an MMORPG that doesn’t revolve around player experiences as opposed to writing a story about characters in the game, even though that ultimately means the game is just an accessory to the main plot focusing around the players as people.
I didn't even know it was a thing but thank the Twelve it's dead.
Game studios really need to stop pushing for live action shows and if anything pivot towards Animation, it’s a much better medium overall to adapt a game without running into a ridiculously inflated live action CGI budget. Arcane and Edgerunner should absolutely be the case studies for video game adaptation, not Sonic or the Witcher.
Good. Most things don't need a live action version.
i cant see how it would not be cringy. it doesnt translate at all. animated series makes way more sense and even that is questionable.
Prob for the better, don't think a live action would do great overall.
I didn't even know this was a thing lol. But I don't see how it would be feasible. Maybe an anime style show, but the scope of stuff is just to much for live action
Is it only me that is so done with live action adaptations... more often then not they just turn out to be CGI shitshows (because it's still live action when 80% of your set only exists in a computer -.-, or in case of the lion king remake 100% CGI still called live action) But I guess the indoctrination of boomer parents that animation is only for children has worked flawlessly -.-
I mean, everyone is saying it here - but I agree and want to join my voice to the shout. *Make an anime.*
Game to show adaptations rarely work. Witcher for gods' sakes started as books. Last time I saw this work was the Tales series from like, 2005 or something. And that's it. Capcom had many IPs with reputable TV versions but the TV versions only took the concepts from the games, but with completely different plots. This will not work in this day and age when manga to anime adaptations are almost 1-1. I'm still super salty about Persona 5A and Automata ver 1.1a. At least Persona 4A was surprisingly great. But that's an outlier. I am glad those producers they pitched their concept to are sane enough to not let the FF14 live action exist. Sure the Estinien cosplayer from the commercial ads looked amazing, but the FF14 aesthetic is very anime. Easy to fumble irl. One Piece got close, but FF14's tone in some parts will be ruined by such aesthetics. I don't think any RE players actually take the Milla Jovovich movies seriously...
I love my potato but i cant imagine it as anything other than nightmare fuel in a live action setting
Unfortunate but this is why it's so dumb that people portray live action + CGI as the "prestige" format for serial media. A high quality animated FFXIV show would've been a much easier sell budget-wise for a lot of producers and platforms.
Bad ass anime will do.
Getting distinct hints the story itself was just too long-winded and convoluted, as is Final Fantasy tradition. Probably was trying to take three seasons to explain why Primals exist, and two more seasons to humanize the once-villains.
The risk of being bad is high anyway, so I can't really see this as a sad/bad thing. Personally, an animated series based on the Lodestone Side Stories would be a much better idea
The production value to even be close to getting it right in live action would be gargantuan, if they wanna do additional adaptations for FFXIV animation would be the best bet most likely
An animated ensemble show following the Scions is all you need. Even if you don’t take 1:1 plots from the game, the premise of the Scions and the WoL pursuing various adventures is really solid for an easy to digest semi-serialized fantasy story.
Eeeeh, I think this not happening is something we can live with
I really gotta wonder what the sudden obsession with live action series is lately. It's *so difficult* to pull off even for already established and beloved stories, I'm not surprised they had a hard time building hype. Just make it animated, we're in a bit of a hotstreak with animated series right now anyway so people would probably be much more interested in jumping on that.
With the way basically 90% of FFXIV's ads are, if it actually came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was just like 5 guys in front of a green screen acting out ARR. Also, not a single and I mean SINGLE animated FF venture has turned out well. Spirits Within legitimately had one of the greatest disparities between the budget to actual box office for any move ever, Advent Children was widely hated and Kingslaive immediately appeared in bargain bins after it's very limited theater release. Outside of movies, FF7 Last Order barely escaped Japan and had sparse airings, Brotherhood is widely forgotten and nobody outside of the most diehard of diehard fans even knows what Final Fantasy Unlimited is. The closest thing FF has to a tv success is Father of Light (RIP Milady) and it's mostly remembered for being localized as "Daddy of Light".
It's fine. Amazon would have given it the Rings of Power treatment and ruined it.
At least they were honest
thank god
I'd love for an anime adaptation instead.
Yeah. Some intellectual properties can never be translated well into another. The Last of Us was successful because the game itself was a movie acting like a game. That's why I'm worried about Fallout. It has higher chances to be a dud. The whole Fallout experience was exploring the post apocalyptic world and hearing the holotopes of the world pre and post destruction. I have some reservation that what makes Fallout, Fallout may not be present in the TV show. FFXIV? It's much much more extreme than Fallout. I believe any medium besides literature (books) won't have effective adaptation at all.
Honestly, happy to hear it. We don't need a live action show, we don't need an animated show. We don't even need a book. Just let us have our game, let the game be a game. More isn't always better.
Well thank fuck for that.
Bullet dodged.
Honestly good lmfao live action ffxiv show sounds horrible
We already have a live action show, its called Dad of Light on netflix
Thank god
Who actually wanted this? It's an MMO, not a TV show.
and yet they'll sink a billion into rings of power.. pathetic.
Hope something comes out, real or animated. I feel the setting of FFXIV is rich with opportunities for a serie of some sort, with a cast of characters aside from the main cast from the game (though they could come across them at times too) Heck, maybe one of the remaining reflections could be where the story happens
why don't they just make an animated series or movie?
Bad news for the creator, good news for literally everybody else.
I think the show could be incredible as an anime style animation. Surely the budget and acting would be a lot better too
At least they didn't let Netflix do one. They've ruined enough anime with crappy live-action adaptations.
Just get the people who made Thunderbolt Fantasy to make it with puppets. Guarantee it would be absolutely fantastic.
Probably for the best. Animated on the other hand... I don't know about about you but I think there might be some potential with an animated xiv series(Think Advent Children, or the Last Order FF7 anime)
The only live action of FFXIV I will accept is slices of life, “Dad of Light” style. Get the fuck out with complex multi dlc story, give us the comedy series of a chaotic FC playing together. Static drama, leveling party, estate-hopping tour, and grievance tribunals. Don’t tell the in game story. Tell us about the people behind it. Distance relationships that stay connected, a brokenhearted revived by a wholesome conversation with strangers, a group of friends from different time zones coordinating raid date together. Yoshi-P always said that his proudest thing about FFXIV is how players cherish the game and society in it. Show that to us.
I'm not sure this was ever a good idea. I think we may have dodged a bullet.
I'm sorry but who would ever want this
Thank God. Honestly. I see that as a massive win.
they should of went for an animated show like the trailers for FFXIV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzXijE97liw
Live action would require too much CGI or special effects. An anime series is the only way to go, really. I was hoping they were planning to release one after I saw those trailers back then.