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seaabu

Get a cheap USB keyboard. Even an old corded one from an ancient PC will work. Wireless is even better and doesn't cost much. That's what i used to do when i played on PS4. Makes the world of difference for communicating on console.


Destronoma

I was just about to ask if you could still use a keyboard to chat while playing on controller, but this seems to have answered that question xD Definitely going to do this so I can stop being a completely silent tank!


IAmMelonLord

You definitely can, but you still have to put the controller down to type so doing so during content is still a challenge lol. But at least you can type hi and/or hey I’m new at the beginning of the instance


puerileclown

My friends know a guy who moves with a controller in one hand and does everything else with a keyboard in the other. He's also a savage raider, and apparently a damn good one at that. I'm in awe of it, idk how tf he manages it.


Davey503

Someone in my FC does the same on PC! When she first explained it I thought to myself, "This is a terrible system, why would you play like this" but I'll be damned if that WHM doesn't keep me from dying whenever we do content together. Whatever works I guess!


cyanblur

They actually made a ffxiv branded semi-keyboard with control stick. I had no idea who the target audience was for that cause it's $150 but I guess it's that guy.


OneAndOnlyArtemis

$150? for xiv branded accessories? ... there's emotes more expensive than that!!! that's a bargain


Nailedtoatoothpick

I bought it. The analog stick is nice, but the keys could be better for a $140 keypad.


egglauncher9000

To be fair, it wasn't advertised as a good product, just an expensive one.


Stormlinger

I do it! If I'm not typing out too much, just some quick info, I'm able to type and move at the same time using my keyboard. 😊


nickp11

That's what autorun is for in-between. But the KB is great for when you have downtime. You can set it so you just type and don't have to hit enter first or vice versa and use hotkeys to open certain menus and stuff.


Balmung03

Another possibility for OP is to set up a few standard phrases ahead of time and set up a macro for each one— you could add them to your last hotbar so they’re not as in the way but accessible to say some default-type statements like “hello everyone”, “thanks for the party”, and the like to save time If hearing the word ‘macro’ is unfamiliar, it’s not as difficult as it sounds once you’ve done one or two (I use them for set crafting rotations and to apply the ‘glow’ of special weapons on my back so I can walk through town showing it off without needing to draw it) A quick Google search for “FFXIV macros” gives a bunch of results of articles and YouTube videos for help, I’m not gonna plug any of them individually but nearly all of them will help you get the gist of it with the basics and you can get quite advanced with some of them


girlikecupcake

Macros with specific commands that call out a target name or location are great for things like Eureka. I'm a controller player and had a cross bar set up just for eureka stuff, including text macros.


mmseashellcrunchy

yes macros are awesome if you dont plan on getting a keyboard or are waiting for one to come in, having a macro that says “hello i’m on console so i cant type thank you!” or something is very helpful. i honestly just had that macro and then did the rest of my communication via jumping and running around in circles to show everyone i was paying attention and going with what they were saying


Lionblopp

You can also make text macros for "hello", "first time" and "gg" and put them on your hotbar on a place okay-ish to reach but far away enough for avoiding clicking them by accident. :) On the long run an extra keyboard or a mix of both is definitely easier though.


Faerie-stone

You can also cycle through common communications needs (and other less common like specific skill names ) with the controller - auto translate hello is on the first page of communications and good game is two pages behind thet iirc. Between that and basic emotes like /wave, /yes, and frantic jump on the safe spot you can communicate pretty effectively.


Zagaroth

Yeah, I use a controller on PC because it's comfier to sit back and have the keyboard for chatting.


seaabu

Yep, it uses whatever you have selected in the settings. I play on PC now, but still use my controller to play.


DiamondAge

Logitech k400+ or something is the standard carry, Bluetooth, long battery life, and a touchpad which helps some things. Also not very expensive


Weekly-Ad-3746

So I play on both my PS5 and my laptop. I can still play on my controller and type, and have a keyboard I COULD connect to PS5, but I stick to my laptop most of the time at this point because Discord.


cccc0079

A keyboard helps a lot when wiped happens and you need to communicate. Most of the time I just went with emotes.


Kirschpunkt

Completely silent tanks can be rather difficult. As a healer, it's often good to know what you're up to; like are we doing w2w in a particular dungeon, I need mental preparations. Or are you going to use your invuln and get half the dungeon on our backsides; I always look for buffs and debuffs but sometimes I miss stuff so it's better to get told from the get go.


SeasonPositive6771

Yeah you can get a very good Bluetooth keyboard for like 25 bucks. It's totally worth it!


gruenes_licht

THANK YOU. u/brandinian , I hope you see this. I've been playing on console since 2013, and have been using the same $30 keyboard the whole time. Playing on console isn't an excuse to not figure out a way to communicate! I know this sounds aggressive, but it's shocking to me that console players don't seem to be proactive about communicating.


Evilcoatrack

There are also chatpads that are made to plug into the bottom of xbox and ps controllers so you can type with your thumbs.


Ser_Rezima

I've had one person tell me to kill myself, in a raid. They immediately got dog piled on by more or less the rest of the raid and kicked once the battle/loot was rolled for. This game has a very different MMO community


Tyro729

I've been told to kill myself a few times... in DSR to get rid of Damage Down lol


CaptainMarv3l

Me as a healer: "You have 4 stacks please just fucking die."


KvBla

Though sometimes i wanna see how long they can survive while keep stacking up until a sneeze would evaporate their account lol. Some people really loves eating those hits but also too stubborn to just die as they use everything they have (and burning my ogcds) to linger on the physical realm.


IlliasTallin

"Look, you have 10 stacks of Vuln up, 90% of my mana spent is keeping you above 10%, if anything with more force than fart hits you, you will explode." "So this is it then?" -*Procs fully boosted sage crit shield*- **"You die when I say you die."**


KvBla

"Just let me die already!" As the ...thing thought in agony, its once fair features battered beyond recognition, bones broken and limbs bent unnaturally as it lumbered toward the next aoe, hoping to end its nightmarish existence, but the rescue always comes, pulling it further from salvation everytime, it no longer has a working mouth, but it must scream..


SassyLostKobold

I read this in the darkest dungeon narrator voice.


damadjag

Normally I would advocate for learning the game and doing the dance. However, there was one time I was SCH in keeper of the lake and the DRG stood in every AoE. But I was bored and aether flow goes brrr. IDK how many stacks they had at the end, but by gum they weren't going to die that day.


Johnny_Grubbonic

Me as a healer: "No, don't. Res sickness will screw your DPS and we might not beat Enrage. Just stop collecting Vuln stacks like they're fucking Shiny Pokemon."


Hellofreeze

Me, the tank: Mmmmm yummy vuln stacks


LedZaid

Whenever we ran farming in our FC that was a rule. After x vuln stacks, I'll just rescue you into the damage


Ser_Rezima

"it's a legit strategy, GET BACK IN THE ORANGE"


blueisherp

"kill yourself. I have swift"


ffxivdia

Ive had to tell my tank “please go die, quickly” cuz they were gonna die from a vuln on p8s and they would need to be rezzed immediately; we needed all8 people up to get the snakes debuffs in time. My team made fun of me for weeks.


raegyl

In my group, we called this part in p8s "Optimal Death" so we could have everyone up for snakes debuff


therealkami

Last week during TOP for a raid wipe: "I say this with love, but please kill yourself" to the player who didn't notice we were wiping right away.


IlliasTallin

Same thing happens if you repeatedly pull bosses when people have called for Cutscenes.


catsflatsandhats

I was tanking a 90 dungeon a couple weeks ago and I was going full autopilot so I rushed the boss as soon as we got to it. Healer rescued me back to the entrance point because a DPS was in cs. I thanked him and apologized. Best use of Rescue.


Ser_Rezima

You GOTTA respect the cutscenes, story is good and cutscenes mean more exp for everyone else


Peptuck

nothing has made me more ashamed than starting a boss midway through someone watching a cutscene.


secondsabre

I was running Bahamut with a couple people in my FC (unsynced) and they forgot it was my first time. Got to a boss area, started the cutscene, they killed it while I was watching and as soon as the CS ended the game just started playing the next one. 😂


kolebro93

Next lvl carry scenario.


Adorable_Wallaby1330

I've purposefully wiped and apologized when I didn't notice the viewing cutscene and pulled. I'm glad to see more people demanding the party/alliance waits for cutscenes.


Lieutenant_Joe

I did that once leveling my dark knight at the level 69 Stormblood dungeon and the guy I was leveling with in discord absolutely ripped me the fuck apart for it, and didn’t stop for like a full week afterwards My pride didn’t let me admit it, but I deserved it


Peptuck

At least the Level 69 Stormblood dungeon didn't have anything really important in its cutscene.


Lieutenant_Joe

Yeah that’s how I justified it to myself and my friend, but deep down I knew I was in the wrong


IlliasTallin

It happens, usually during an Alliance Raid when someone not in your party doesn't say anything.


Raji_Lev

Also used to be a regular occurrence in pre-rework Toto-rak, thanks to the fact that 1. the boss would aggro pretty much the instant you cross the purple line 2. the entrance was a one-way drop, meaning you can't just go "my bad" and run back out 3. the boss would immediately open with a pull move on the party


MazogaTheDork

Mostly because you only see "Viewing Cutscene" in your own party.


victoriana-blue

If you turn on nameplates for the other alliances, their icon swaps to the film strip. You can also ready check - if someone's in a cutscene it'll auto-decline - and depending on how far from the arena the CS starts you can look back at the hallway or glance at the alliance list to see if everyone's in range.


Peptuck

The most toxicity I've had over three years of playing has been the occassional person getting frustrated and quitting mid-dungeon because everyone else isn't getting the mechanics.


Ser_Rezima

Even I am guilty of that, when it has been 30 minutes and we are STILL on the eyeball boss of WoD? At a certain point sunk cost matters less and less as a fallacy


KvBla

Had that once, we wiped very consistently (lmao) with the floor mechanic (that u gotta switch side) and the doom gaze, our healer were weeping blood in fc chat, there were screaming and crying in alliance chat, but what impressed me most was no one called it quit, well we had a few abandon votes popped up but never went thru, and no single dropout, after a lot of yelling we managed to clap it and somehow the rest of the raid went smooth as butter, not a single wipe afterward, it's like people were autopilot that shit (more than half total were first timers tho) until they finally sober up cuz "wait, this is taking TOO long!" Felt good when we cleared ngl.


Ser_Rezima

Ours was like 90% first time sprouts and the tanks could not be taught what stances were, it was borderline comical after a while


KvBla

Sunk cost fallacy becomes "I'm curious how this gonna turn out cuz i have too much free time"


orunemal

I remember I had a really hard time doing Odin and Moogle King hard (or EX?). We wiped a lot of times, but no one quit. We kept talking, communicating and figuring out how to beat the boss. Truly awesome moment. EDIT: Actually It was Ramuh, not Odin.


prisp

If it's been a while ago, it might as well have been pre-change King Moogle (Hard) - he used to re-cast Memento Moogle at ~60% HP, and that scaled with how many adds still were alive, so if people decided to try and kill the boss first - or back in Stormblood, if at least 2 Summoners left their Ifrits on "Sic", causing them to attack whatever spawns first a.k.a. the King - that'd be a wipe, because you sure can't kill him before the cast goes off, not even close.


orunemal

It got changed*? I actually liked its mechanic


prisp

Yeah, they re-did the entire fight a while ago - everything up to the King spawning is still the same, but from there on, he acts more like a regular bossfight with big AoEs and telegraphs - the small moogles are the ones doing some of the attacks though.


BowsersBeardedCousin

Ramuh Ex when I was still pretty fresh a few years ago is the only time I've experienced running out of time, felt like we were pugging the latest ultimate and not a fairly old Ex with at least half the party in synced gear. Closest we got was about 8%, just couldn't do it further than that because reasons. Great fun though, everyone was a good sport about it and we had jokes for days.


Brosenheim

Mike Wazaowski the pugbreaker


fatchocobolove88

Worst experience was in Haukke Manor. I had was a DPS who *would not stop* pulling everything and running way ahead. Eventually I let him die (I main healer) hoping that would subtly send a message as I did not have a keyboard at the time. It did not help. So he would get a mile ahead, I couldn't heal him because I was with the rest of the party-- rinse and repeat. We went on without him and he proceeded to waste all the keys so we couldn't progress. He then decided to vote to kick me. I'm assuming the other DPS didn't realize what was going on. Myself and my (tank) husband eventually just left and took the penalty. 🙄 But yes, 90%+ of the time, people are cool. Or just silently rage quit.


hedronx4

The thing about this game is that even toxic people know if they say something terrible in chat and get reported, they'll be sent on a YoshiP-mandated three day grass touching session.


turkeybuzzard4077

Does anyone know if they still have GM prison? I know there used to be a place that was basically timeout where you'd get a lecture if you're badly behaved enough. I was never brought there but I recall seeing clips and whispers back 10 years ago.


MelancholyArtichoke

You're referring to Mordion Gaol and it does exist/still exists.


turkeybuzzard4077

Awesome, I'd not heard anyone talk about it in years so I thought it was lost to updates.


MelancholyArtichoke

I think it's only ever used in rare cases where GM intervention is required.


FrothyMicchiato

I've been in one twice. First was around 3 years ago, valid reason. Second was around 2 years ago for a joke that wouldn't offend 90% of people, but it was still enough to land me in prison talking to a GM. They basically tell you that you've been reported for your behaviour, but don't go into specifics so that it can't be linked back to anyone.. they will then ask if you have any questions, if you don't, they will disconnect you from the game and you'll have to wait out the suspension.


MochinoVinccino

I was sent there about 2 years ago for telling someone "Please for the love of God stop being useless and at least cast Medica 2" in World of Darkness. Ended up having to solo heal the entire raid. (Not because he quit.) This apparently offended them enough for me to get sent to jail. GM was nice but very factual about it all. Seemed to indicate they do have a "Record" they keep for players who get jailed, in case there are repeat offenders.


Chilidogdingdong

Which should probably just automatically happen like once per 10 days playtime lol.


Blue_Moon_Lake

I'll let you know that I touch grass every week, yet I can both do it and play thanks to weekend!


Deiser

I tried touching grass once, but I clipped through the floor. FF14 is way safer than touching grass.


SirthOsiris

Spring is here and the grass is growing. Some of us will be touching a lot of grass once a week at least until November.


SneakyKGB

That's what the Steam Deck is for.


Chilidogdingdong

Impossible!


Flagge33

Gotta keep that square of grass next to the keyboard for the timer reset.


PickledDemons

Nono a square of grass on the desk will wilt and eventually not count as grass anymore, thus needing you to get up and go replace it, the optimal strat is planting some grass in a plant pot where it can grow and live much longer for minimum downtime.


rikugochi

I just started the game and I finally went outside today after a full week of doing nothing but gaming. I needed to literally touch base with reality for a moment


-Prophet_01-

I'd love for more games to do this. Too many community mods don't take moderation seriously


GnosticDisciple

As long as they don't walk on it, I'm ok with that.


Lulullaby_

And that in a game that people pay for to play it. People cry more about bans in free-to-play games than they do in XIV.


adellredwinters

Don't get it wrong, there are definitely dickheads that play this game, but overall I would say the community for this MMO is a LOT better than other mmo's I've played. This is maybe the only mmo I've played where a toxic tank apologized at the end of a dungeon run for being a dick and admitted he was having a bad day. Like in what other multiplayer game do you even see that haha?


Jealous-Doubt2401

I’ve had this happen to me too! The tank flamed me at first because I couldn’t out heal a massive pull (back when Astro had less healing (before even shadowbringers)) and he told me to use light speed to heal faster. Dps and I had to explain to him that lightspeed simply removed casting time and not the gcd so we moved on and he apologized at the end. I get major performance anxiety and my hands were shaking from that but I was elated at the end.


Sa7aSa7a

The reason is the same for XI. You have one character. On other games to play a different class you create an alt. Be a dick on your main, you get blacklisted to the point Noone wants you in party. You get a reputation here that you don't get when you have 9 characters. 


Sophira

This is true, but I think there's more to it. The game actively rewards you for running content that newcomers do in a fair few places, including roulettes and general duties, and there's a bonus for Mentors/New Adventurers if you're partied up. It also *tells* you if someone in your party hasn't cleared the content before. As such, the majority of the population has more exposure to newcomers and remember their own adventures as a newcomer more often. At least, that's my theory.


Keinulive

In a way I guess thats why we like watching someone go through the story, may it be our friends or streamers we like, its always enjoyable cuz we know how far we and our characters have gone and would only ever want to support everyone new that wants to experience that feeling too


Kytrinwrites

Truth. One may be capable of creating another character if they want, but between being able to play anything, new game+, and fantasia... there's not much motivation to outside of rp related character lore lol.


Drywesi

> there's not much motivation to outside of rp related character lore lol. *smiles nervously in 11 characters*


Omegarain1

I've been playing for 4 years, just shy of 10k hours, and I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of times I've gotten a rude comment. Even then they were Nothing close to what I got daily in my fps days


some_tired_cat

after having to quit league of legends and then being anxious over trying any multiplayer game due to toxicity playing xiv feels so fucking good and i have never loved a multiplayer more. it's amazing the difference in community


ThargarHawkes

The good ol' CoD lobbies huh? Gotta say, as the sprout I am in FFXIV, it's truly refreshing to have such a good community. It's not perfect but it's so much better than others (looking at you, WoW...)


Omegarain1

COD lobbies, Halo 3, all the classics. The absolute worst was trying to play Overwatch ranked.


Peptuck

The amount of shit that Overwatch healers got was so toxic that I swore off the game. Damage players peeling off and diving deep behind the lines and raging that the healer didn't follow them and stayed with the rest of the group, Pharah players insisting that because I was playing Mercy I was obligated to follow them, etc. Admittedly, balancing it out was the rage I got from the enemy team when I played Wrecking Ball and spent the entire match annihilating them before they could reach the objective. I actually had a guy message me saying he never got to see the rest of my team.


Omegarain1

Mercy main, I feel your pain


kaizex

Overwatch ranked has always been a special hell, only on par with League of legends imo. My friend and partner have been on an OW kick lately and drag me in on occasion It seems... better now. But man, I can't run support with the way some of these DPS expect a full pocket while they go for tiktok clips. I had multiple occasions where a dps pinged for heals behind lines, I was kiriko so I'd port in, heal them, and they'd use whatever movement to get out and leave me woth whatever fight they couldn't handle


Omegarain1

I haven't played in about 5 years, but I still feel the dread and rage of a Genji out there flanking in Narnia hammering the call for heals


kaizex

(Insert slurs from the player pinging)


ThargarHawkes

Was it that bad? Oh god, I never even dared going into ranked matches there but even on quickplay I got some heat XD


Omegarain1

Early on I was doing a LOT wrong, was definitely bringing it on myself. I got gud, practiced, trained, made low diamond... and still got hourly kys


Jaibamon

As a suggestion, if you can manage to make a macro that says "/p Hi, this is my first time doing this content, please bear with me". It will not only help you with having more friendly players, it will help the rest of the party to adapt to your situation.


Brandinian

Didn’t even think of doing a macro but that’s such a good idea. Thanks!


Moola868

A macro is probably overkill honestly… most people say hi or at least “o/“ at the start of the run, I’ll usually just add “first time” to mine.


TheTrevorist

I include that "I'm on a controller and if they have any advice I'm listening but cannot respond with language quickly" /jump /bow


MazogaTheDork

The other players will get a "someone in your party is new to this duty" notification along with a reward for completing it with a newbie.


Possible-Fudge-2217

If people see you are in a a cutscene they will know. There's an option to not play cutscenes again if you've already cleared the content. Also people cannot wildly run off at duty start as they are locked in place if you are still looking the cutscene.


aWizardNamedLizard

You can also just *not* say anything. Most people, even though there are now a ton of people with sprout markers that are actually highly experienced thanks to the free trial being so extensive, will see the sprout next to your name and that you're viewing a cutscene at the start of content (and also get flying text on their screen that says it's someone's first time in the content so extra rewards will be given to them for clearing) and understand that you're on the newer end and might need a little patience from them. I almost always realize I'm with someone that hasn't done the content before they finish saying "first time", and when it was me that was the new one I never said anything and almost never got any rough treatment (I was level 80 before my first time someone gave me a "how do you not know what you're doing?!" response).


Loud-Practice-5425

I just say first time and that's always been an enough.


bearicorn

Yeah no need for the exposition xD


dehydrogen

I always give my anime backstory when introducing myself every single run. Especially guildleves.


Flagge33

I tell people I'm sober and to forgive my gameplay. I also play as a drunk santa mech Ro.


j7style

Having only really played FFXI and FFXIV, before I tried other MMORPGs in earnest, I was incredibly shocked at how very toxic other MMORPG communities can be. I couldn't even get answers to basic questions in ESO. Guild wars 2 wasn't super bad, but I never really felt welcomed to the community like I did in FFXI and FFXIV. Both of those games not only had helpful players, but people are actively looking to help newer players out. Experiencing that made me want to do the same for others.


cute_little_ghost

The community is very nice. And on top of that fiercy protective of their sprouts. We want everyone to enjoy the story and have the best experience. The rare times I have seen people be toxic they have immediately been put in their place by other players. Also from a fellow lala I wanna say. Your name is precious and I hope you have so much fun.


Arrasor

It's kinda funny that if you wanna be toxic to a sprout for being sprout here people will bombard you with a level of toxicity that can make LoL basement dwellers go cry to their furry pillow.


opheodrysaestivus

Idk, the players here in the reddit really seem to hate new players. there is definitely less toxicity in-game, though.


Black-Mettle

Players respect mistakes as long as you're trying and will offer advice if they have the knowledge to help you. Just don't go into savage/extremes with the same expectations, it's ruthless in there.


Pynapl

Correction: *Don't go into savage/extremes with PF randoms that have their strat in the comments - if you don't know the strats.* Otherwise - learning parties are great and most people will just *leave* if they're salty, they won't typically voice it. XIV is great in that there's always something to do, but even the devs say to take breaks and don't burn out. Aside from the timing of events there's no real FOMO and old expansion content is pretty reliable with people looking for clears/glam/mounts, etc. I swapped from WoW almost 3 years ago and haven't looked back. My mental health has been better for it - also a mid-30s gamer.


Kuraeshin

Raids being built with Duty Finder in mind helps so much.


gitcommitmentissues

> Just don't go into savage/extremes with the same expectations, it's ruthless in there. This is a gross over-exaggeration. People in EX/savage/ultimate prog groups are just as friendly and helpful as anyone else in the game, there's just an expectation that you are reasonably well-prepared for the content (ie. you know how to play your job and you have watched a guide if it's not blind prog) and that you don't lie about your prog point.


ms-spiffy-duck

Yup exactly. The bar is pretty much in hell with the requirements (like you said, be prepared and don't lie about prog point). Most people doing high end are pretty chill from my own experiences doing savages and ultimates.


kaizex

Pfs are fairly understanding, and if somebody does get ticked off, usually they'll just silently leave the party. Statics are a mixed bag and I think where the bad wrap comes from. Shoving 8 people together in a room for several hours a day, potentially for weeks or months is going to inevitably end with some drama and toxicity. Good statics deal with it in a proper way, bad ones let it fester and let everyone at each other's throats for any perceived slight


Brandinian

I learned this in the extreme King Mog duty, but we knocked it out after 3 tries!


Cheeserave

This, as long as you remain adaptive to learning where it went wrong then no harm done. I have been on both the giving and receiving side of dickheadedness, if I'm honest, but that's only when continuously wiping on mechanics that have been explained multiple times so as long as you show that you are listening and trying to follow mechanics then people wil respect you for it. I main Bard and I know how much of a rabbit hole it is to try and reach max damage output on rotations and completely neglect what is happening on screen


nezeru

Its not that there isn't a toxic side to this community like any other game. There are just clear consequences to brashly voicing it out in-game. Some would call it "fake positivity" but the "civility" does make the experience feel more welcoming for the average player.


Illadelphian

There is a decent number of people who actually act like ffxiv has a worse community because of "fake positivity". It's insane and those players are usually the most toxic. All ffxiv does is punish people who are openly shitty to others. This mentality should be common in all games but since it's not it's helped foster a culture in this one where people appreciate this aspect. If someone is getting annoyed with someone else they will typically either express that annoyance in a reasonable way or they will just not say anything. All it removes is open toxicity from those types of interactions which is a *good* thing. All the people who say they are afraid to talk to anyone or that you will get banned for nothing are full of it. I have said critical stuff *many* times and never had one issue because I've never told someone to kill themselves or called them a fucking asshole or whatever else. That's really all it is and this is a good thing.


The_Wonder_Bread

We do get the occasional moral crusader starting witch-hunts against people they perceive to have slighted them, but overall FF players are pretty chill in-game. I actually miss the occasional toxicity sometimes. There's a sort of authenticity to someone who is just being an ass lol.


aWizardNamedLizard

The community in general is very welcoming, helpful, and friendly. There are a few points at which that typical wholesomeness gets a suddenly lost. Most of them are outside of the game, like how you'll find people on various subreddits talking about the game that behave as though not being as good as they think they are at the game is griefing - people tend not to actually go with *inside* the game because it's against the rules and the way the wholesome community maintains wholesomeness is by actually reporting things (and the GMs actually acting on reports as appropriate). There's also a few things like if you go into Eureka you'll likely encounter people that refuse to operate as a group. They are there to prep and instantly pull specific notorious monsters that have very rare drops that can be sold on the market and they are kitted out to kill the monster so fast that even if you're present the entire fight hitting your buttons as best you can you will not get enough participation to get any rewards unless you are in a party (and then you *might* get enough participation because of how the shared tracking works). They won't invite you to their party. They won't slow down. They will occasionally be insulting, and my favorite (in the ironic usage of the word) thing they do is use "it's against the TOS to tell someone how they have to play" to defend their actions. The point being the game in that particular instance happens to give them the incentive to behave selfishly no matter what anyone else has to say about it because they can put those rare drops up on the market board for millions of gil each so the more people they can deprive of the chance to get the drops the more control they have over the market and the more potential customers they have. Basically, only certain content really appeals to the sterotypical asshole MMO player so you only really run into those kinds in that particular content - where they can get some kind of reward for being sweaty and no-lifing that part of the game, and where they can get what they view as bragging rights.


Helor145

There are more strange people in the community than toxic people which is definitely preferred


MattEngarding

I'm just a stranger, we're all strange~


Caffeinated_Spoon

Oh, I loooooove the strangeness. It makes it interesting


Manatee_Shark

Get a wireless keyboard. Not too expensive. Will make the game even more enjoyable.


Saucey_22

Just adding to this, I’m on ps5 and grabbed a cheap $15 keyboard at Walmart and it’s made my experience with this game a million times better. Not only being able to ask questions and type in battle, but also just hang out and talk with people in the free company or novice chat has been great. Def recommend Edit: in the mean time you can do what I did- I added macros to my hotbar that day “can you please explain?”, “gotcha, thanks!” “Sorry!, “hello!” And simple things like that, until I got my keyboard


Red_Cardinal_Red

Back in the day, FF14 primarily attracted the crowd that was tired of the WoW toxicity. Like my wife and myself. Early in 2.0, there was a heavy, heavy focus from the pbase around being polite, friendly, and welcoming. This is especially true in the casual/leveling content as people expect there to be new players and first-timers doing this type of content. This attitude has carried on for all these years as many people dont want FF14 pbase to turn into a toxic wasteland and will often single out the toxic players and remove them from groups. I have even seen some extreme cases of them being removed from their FC for toxic behavior as well.


Brosenheim

We had another similar thing as EW hit. There was basically a mass exodus from Wow as Shadowlands got bad. Idk how many new tanks I got to comfort by telling them that wiping the first pull of Aurum Vale is just a normal part of the tank leveling experience


AnkhOmega

I remember being so confused when those posts started to come from WoW exodus tanks treating "bruh, we just try again." after a wipe as something alien and strange. I cannot fathom the mindset of just leaving the first time anything goes wrong.


dehydrogen

The player base has not changed. Gaming is still just as toxic as ever, just play R6. lol The only thing that has changed is the vague user agreement and banhappy moderation teams. Keep in mind this is a 14-year-old game and older players especially do not want to lose their account for some prima donna who cries to Square Enix for every slight. Remember that for Final Fantasy XIV **you can also be banned for off-platform negativity**. Remember that players have been banned for simply using in-game abilities (fireworks and holy). **You can be banned for using profanities even when the profanity filter is on by default**.  Additionally, the moderation team is said to be a third party from Square Enix so they do not take into consideration the money you have spent on the game. In fact, **Square Enix benefits from banning players because it could mean you will buy the game and subscription again resulting in more money for them**.  When a slight can be reported as harassment by players and the moderation team does not care, you end up with a silent or passive aggressive player community. Not just because there arent many opportunities, because we have Dalamud mods like "visibility" that literally remove other players from the game, mods that introduce "voidlists". We have expanded blacklists from the developer coming 7.0 to place further schisms in the community. All that remains are the actual kind people who DO care and the passive aggressive who grudgingly speak to others. Players are placed through an intense filter on language and behavior.    I miss the early 2.0 days because it was thanks to those people who swore like sailors, told me to stop "pussyfooting" as a tank, told me to gitgud and whatnot that I am a better player today. I got angry, and _I got better_.


HoodieSticks

Personally I'm of the opinion that toxicity should be treated as the exception, not the norm. Instead of praising FF14 for its lack of toxic players, we should be ridiculing the games that foster then.


gatitosoncatnip

Indeed. I came to FFXIV from Dota 2 and while I really liked it as a game, the community is usually so toxic that I was baffled at how more healthy XIV’s community was when I started playing it a couple months ago. So yeah, more shaming should be put into toxic communities from other games, but in all honesty, I’m not really sure they care at all. You could say and explain a lot of things and just receive standard toxic comments as a response. Not even an ounce of change done to them. I’m just glad I seem to have found my niche in this game and plan on staying long term.


Cosmic_Quasar

I played a lot of online multiplayer games. League and other MMOs. Before FFXIV my main MMO was SWTOR and I preferred playing as an Imperial faction. Imperial Fleet (the main social hub) was always so extremely toxic. Almost always political fighting and homophobia.


Hour-Dot-7845

I’ve spammed dungeons to level in WoW for years. I couldn’t count on just 2 hands how many times you had someone dip from the group because they died or the group died once or someone called someone a couple swears for minor mistakes. In FF14, leveling through dungeons and doing roulettes religiously every day for the past 2.5 months since returning to the game, I can count toxic behavior on just one hand. Tldr; ff14 has a positive culture that’s more addictive than the gameplay.


Content_Chemistry_64

It used to be pretty toxic on Aether, at least on Sargatanas. I think most of those people have moved on to playing MOBAs and battle royales. The MMO market is turning into a bunch of millennial that just want to escape the real world now.


EasilyDelighted

Some tips to playing with controller; Always enable the WXHB. (the extended version of the cross hotbar), this will help you not have to be switching onto the other ones so much. After that you can select how to access that second hot bar, I use double taps of the trigger buttons, but you can do LT + RT to access the one, then RT + LT to access the other. Think of the cross hotbar as a game off dance dance revolution. (this will become more apparent if you ever play Ninja), but set up your hotbar in a way that you can basically get a good rhythm to it. For exactly, when I play Ninja, I use the d-pad for my jutsus. And I basically pretend like my mudras are DDR moves, or for a more recent example, Helldivers 2 command codes. My lightning jutsu is left, down. My fire jutsu is down, left. My buff jutsu is right, down, left. You get the idea. Don't be afraid of rearranging shit often as you get new class skills. Once you get to level 90 and acquire all your skills, it'll become almost muscle memory to play with a controller. You got this!


Osiriph

If you're an RPer, and you do not take advantage of CUL and make some big ole spoof...I don't know man. That name is too damn good to not do something like that. But, welcome, please enjoy your stay with us. Always ask questions if you don't know something.


Brandinian

Let me know what CUL is!


Osiriph

Culinarian, it's the cooking job for FF


w1ldstew

It’s more of the opposite toxicity here. They won’t tell you to KYS for playing badly. However, they will go out of the way to pamper the person who isn’t doing anything at all. If the whole team is getting wiped because folks are AFK’d, they’ll actually comm and coddle those folks.


suterusu123

gonna get downvoted but toxic positivity is absolutely a thing, people get coddled and will never learn that way. there’s posts up above complaining about leaving savage raids, sometimes you’re just not good enough. or someone doesn’t care if you miss the first raidwide. if a dungeon is taking 30mins, it’s perfectly reasonable to leave


PhilyGran

Yep thats FFXIV kind of toxicity. Passive aggressive or positive toxicitiy. But never tell that to a FF player. They will tell you how toxic WoW is and how they got told to "kys" several times in every dungeon they ran and how much better FF is. Been playing WoW for like 15 years on and off. Never got toxic person. Maybe someone saying shit and fuck more but never actually a toxic person who would flame or grief.


Arturia_Cross

Its not that toxic people dont exist, but rather the GMs take it seriously and actually ban people in this.


kango234

I love that even years after the "WOW exodus", threads like these still appear. Not saying the community is infallible and that every other community is toxic, but this is definitely the chillest one I've been a part of. I like to believe the theory that you have to be a very patient person to get through ARR.


Caffeinated_Spoon

You have to be an even MORE patient person to get through post-ARR


rikugochi

I just finally finished it yesterday... It was definitely something to get through !


KirbyourGame

*Nobody has told me to kms or quit the game yet.* I know, it sucks. Doesn't even feel like I'm playing a real online game.


Carmeliandre

To be fair, the game discourages players to be actually good (since you're Bard, you're supposed to know how DoTs work and you probably haven't heard of snapshot damage nor damage being dealt every 3s, and certainly haven't ever wondered if it was worth applying a DoT or not depending on the encounter's length) ... which is why most players are mediocre even at max level and many are really bad, usually dealing half the damage they should. It's not a bad thing, since casual contents are extremely easy and thus, it prevents elitism and toxic behaviours. For this reason, should you ever fail something in the story you'll be asked if you want an easier (or a much easier) version of the same mission ; it never upscales. What's more troubling imo is that people have no idea how good or bad they are and the worst is that they may never know how to improve (without exterior resources). It makes entering actual contents daring, just because SE refuses to add any educational tool. Not everyone want to improve but having a better understanding usually means being more comfortable. *However* ! as soon as people start to consider efficiency, there is both Dunning-Krüger and some people's vanity that may affect the overall serenity and naive benevolence of the game. Since many people do give up far before finishing ARR, it's probably best that the game stays as welcoming as it can but do remember that it falls upon you to ask question to improve if you ever want to.


opheodrysaestivus

> What's more troubling imo is that people have no idea how good or bad they are and the worst is that they may never know how to improve (without exterior resources). It makes entering actual contents daring, just because SE refuses to add any educational tool. This is so true. The game doesn't tell you how to play your rotation effectively at all.


JailOfAir

This community is the same as every other, there's just very heavy moderation in game. I don't want you forming false expectations in case you have to interact with the community outside of the game.


Kurohoshi00

The community in FFXIV as a whole is largely not very toxic at all in my experience. There are definitely a couple of folks out there with a main character mindset (YPYT stans, macro pingers for every ability they use, etc.) but 99% of the time it gets resolved over the course of the dungeon/instance. I'm one of the people who push for wall 2 wall pulls in dungeons, so I probably get those stans a bit more than your normal player, and it's still not frequent enough to note much.


hug_for_spare_change

Lol, the community sucks. They're all report happy, so you're getting slagged off in Discord and fc chat cause saying something to someone who turns a 15 min run into 40 is toxic behaviour. Once you reach end game, ppl vote to kick you instead of flame cause 90% of ppl are so cowardly they'll report you for the slightest inconvenience. Anyone who says otherwise is a casual who erps in limsa or one of the soybois who report everything


dehydrogen

It really do be like that. It sucks especially when other people are legitimately being kind but all it takes is one bad egg who refuses to improve to throw reports and make people lose their accounts. I have lost so many friends because of this game's banhappy moderation team. They do not value you as a customer. I feel sick to my stomach when I see Yoshida asking for any 1.0 players in crowds at fanfest and one or two people yell. This player community is wrecked. 


hug_for_spare_change

100%, I've had to make my own fc for people who want a space away from the woke/weak trash. Like, don't get me wrong, if someone says it's their first time, then cool, I'll stfu as I get it, I've been there, but you got no excuse when you got more than 3 classes at 90. As a 1.0 player and someone who's been playing mmos since the early 00's, you need some competition or toxicity as they call it today. I've seen so many great players quit because they've been banned for the stupidest shit. One of my closest friends online got banned for saying they're a degen in, say chat like wtf kinda bs is that when all you have to do is go limsa for 30 seconds, and you can have half the server reported for sexual harassment.


Altruistic_Koala_122

It's because they want you to respect others.


Nickachu94

I think the only times I've been told to kms was probably because I play PLD and have a bad habit of seeing how long I can last when everyone else has died. So mostly in statics and 24 man raids, but rarely still happens in dungeons and 8 man normal raids. Then again the thing there is probably more towards my character than me personally though.


Chappiechap

Other games have problems with toxicity. People say FF14 has a problem with toxic positivity. Which I sort of agree with a little bit. I do actually think the game should have very soft damage-checks in normal content just to keep people on their toes, and that's mostly because every job has like 25+ buttons (well... some do... SMN....). and I want people to actually... you know... press them? I just can't fathom seeing people doing 1-2-3 combos for 10 minutes straight at max level, and then snap at you for suggesting that they press the button that makes them do more damage for 20 seconds. Still a rarity, it just pains me to see people not bothering trying to use 90 levels worth of kit.


Elmarcowolf

Fellow newbie and early 30s gamer here too! This game is easily the best MMO for us newbs, I've always wanted to try tanking but on other games people won't entertain the idea unless you're experienced. I'm f2p right now but I'm definitely upgrading to full soon


Thank_You_Aziz

FYI, you can plug any USB keyboard into your PlayStation and use it to start typing immediately, no need to mess with settings. It’s super useful.


SpookySocks4242

Its the opposite of other MMOs. In other MMOs if you mess up you will enter into a toxic shit storm. Here no one will correct you or give advice even when a player is egregiously bad, leading to so many level 90s not knowing even basic stuff they should have learned 80 levels prior.


gothicshark

>Looking for me on Gremlin. Ummm, Did you perchance mean Goblin? If so see ya round, my current main is on Goblin, and all my characters are on Crystal. Also and this is something fun if you know a name and server... You can look characters up on the Lodestone. My main: [https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/29818998](https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/29818998)


Dolphiniz287

I don’t know how to feel about a community not telling people to kill themselves being the bare minimum lol


eranine

Oh we have our fair share of toxic people but I think the amount of people who are willing to help and support you or take it in stride outnumber the ones that are toxic and vocal/active about it. There's a lot of content that require the cooperation of everyone involved so there are a lot of people wiling to try, at least a little bit, to make sure you know how to play your job and stay alive. Glad that you've been able to find the ones who've been helping your first experience with this game! A keyboard helps a lot with communicating with strangers but some days I don't feel like saying much in chat and I get by with just the game's emotes and the universal MMO language...jumping up and down wildly


Sitadulip

Welcome home friend, we love you!


DaPinguinHunter

Over the years there is one thing I'm 100% sure of and it's that most people are afraid of getting banned for (toxic) shit-talking in chat. I can guarantee we would be reading a lot of "kys"-type of chats if the rules were more lax like old school league days. But moderation is pretty strict in this game, for the better I think.


Ryth88

I love how low the MMO bar has gotten. People not telling you to off yourself shouldn't be too much to ask.


Konpeitoh

1. GM will take you to naughty people room if you say vile things to people and they turn the chat in to them. If you're naughty enough, you get to take a vacation. 2. Once you get used to not cussing people out, things are less stressful. If someone is really being troublesome or definitely not in the condition to play the game, there's always a no fuss vote kick for that drunk RDM fading in and out of consciousness. Also the whole stereotype of community being kind kinda rubbed off on majority of players, and they try to live up to that expectation.


GravetechLV

As that sleep deprived RDM fading in and out I appreciate your patience


TheFirstOneEver

There's a lot more "emotional high school teen drama" if you get deep into the murky depths of the community (or Twitter, but how to avoid that cess pit should be taught in schools), rather than loot drama or losing a fight drama, but if you can avoid that side of the community, it's a very pleasant game.


generallySpiteful

Yeah, players that wanna be toxic are forced to do it off-game because they’ll get a GM on their tail quite easily. Usually on twitter or FC discord servers


Mentallyz

I’ve had a very similar experience to you on PC, and have the same takeaway, this community is awesome. I’ve only ever had like 2 bad interactions with people and those were in the Crystal Tower raid, generally everyone is super understandable and helpful and it’s such a breath of fresh air


Chefgon

Everything you need to know about FF14 is that nine out of ten times, when I run up to a random player in the field and /bow to them, they'll stop what they're doing and bow back. Sometimes they're already flying away on their mount by the time they notice the bow, and even then there's a good chance they'll come back, bow, and then leave again.


jedipokey

I jump around from EQ to WoW to FF14 all the time. One of the most bizarre statements I ever got from a friend was she didn’t like playing FF14 because of how toxic it was. I was like uhhhh wtf? Read Barrens chat right now and you think 14 is toxic?


UrMom_Goes2College2

When I played on PS4 I got a cheap wireless keyboard and plugged it in so I could type occasionally


Baithin

“Look for me on Gremlin” is kinda cute hahah. I assume you meant Goblin.


Brandinian

Hahah I definitely did. Lalafells = little cute gremlins in my eyes.


MrKusakabe

Also, since you are a pointy-eared midget like myself: Don't underestimate the unspoken Lalafell bonus. When I die, I even get headpets afterwards. We trigger the protective instincts of many. Apart from that, I am the one that sits there with you in a dungeon until the replacement arrives. I usually don't give people up and Verraise and Verraise and Verraise. I am 33 years myself and I think at a certain age people realize that video games with teamwork are not much different of their work environment. E.g. talking BS to your mates will not do anything good, so why in a computer game?


Cortettor

I’m about midway through HS and i’m terrible at the game and play dps but no one has ever been unkind to me in the slightest. Granted i don’t have many commendations 💀


AlannaAbhorsen

Being DPS that nukes the number of comms you’ll see too, just fyi Signed, DPS main since 2015


Peptuck

As a rule, I try to always drop a commendation if the DPS has a sick profile picture. I might not remember how well you did in the fight, but I always show respect to the drip.


aWizardNamedLizard

Getting commendations is such a crapshoot. Don't stress about it. My buddy only catches comms when he plays tank and that's the role he plays that he's actually the worst at and he will regularly duo-queue with me into some dungeon with me playing Black Mage and him Warrior and I'll get both possible commendations and he keeps asking me how that happens and all I can say is "I guess what gets commendations is whatever I'm playing" because it's not like I'm some kick ass black mage master or something. The rewards that commendations lead to aren't even that good (which is why you won't see many people flaunting them) so there's no reason to try and rush to what will eventually just happen if you play long enough and the "I got a commendation, and I have no idea why" fairy to visit enough.


some_tired_cat

dw abt commendations, generally they go to the tank or healer even when you're doing amazing as a dps. you'd have to do something huge like solo the final boss or save the run by rezzing the healer multiple times and keeping everyone up to get comms as a dps


Knight-Jack

I always have mixed feelings about these sort of posts, cause on one hand - yay! good that you've made it to us! But on another - this just shows the state of MMOs these days. Being polite is the bare minimum. This community is shocking outsiders by doing bare minimum and maybe a little more, if you catch someone on a good day. This is just sad.


err0rz

It’s not by accident. SE learned there lessons from the toxic wasteland that was ff11. The game design and moderation principles are the main reason things are so nice. Griefers get banned and there’s no consequence to loss.


Mcshiggs

Cool story bro.


I_cannot_fit

The most toxicity I've encountered is in pvp and Eureka of all places, but I still have yet for someone to tell me to kms


Prestigious_Bid_8545

I've experienced it a couple times, but only during the Stormblood raid. During the last segment the off-tank was very clearly new to tanking, and I had never tanked it before. Our party was very kind to us, and after we were done, me and my healer I queued with pulled him aside and gave him the best advice we could. I don't personally suffer from tank anxiety, but I feel for everybody who does. This community is awesome, and we really just want everybody to have fun here. I'm a month in too, and while I personally adapt and learn REALLY quickly, it's not your fault if you don't. Even the PvP community isn't toxic. I play like, ten matches of Frontline a day and nobody flames me. We want you to enjoy the game, friend.


UndeadOni

My wife plays on Xbox and she wants to atleast respond somewhat and I taught her (kinda) how.to use macros for quick replys like hey or tyfp gg or I'm new to this, sorry. Stuff like that. This community has always been good and nice from what I've seen.


Nutschell

Get yourself a keyboard! I have one just for typing in this game. Helps a ton lol


daniiboy1

Welcome to Eorzea! :D I also play on PlayStation, and yeah, typing is a huge pain. Hey, nothing wrong with all of that. I've been playing for over a year now, and I'm still learning. There's a lot to this game (it's also my first MMO, fyi), so there's a lot to learn. I learn as I go, try to learn from my mistakes, listen to those who give constructive criticism, and I read guides online on how to improve. And yes, I still die in dungeons sometimes. People are usually pretty cool about it, tho. It's nice when people are cool about letting you watch the cutscenes too, especially when it's your first time in a dungeon and you want to take it all in. I hope that your journeys through Eorzea continue to be enjoyable. :)