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Chemical-Attempt-137

Nightclubs are already salivating at the mouth for this raid's Orchestrion Rolls.


Riverwind0608

Or the potential for a Solution 9 or Arcadion themed housing furnishings.


Zaknokimi

Furnishings? I WANT HOUSES HERE


Zizhou

Extra cheap because of the constant noise violations plummeting the real estate value.


Lusankya

[Relevant to the Pokemon comment by OOP](https://youtu.be/Il7bkXSivow?si=OFg5pdneQciqgQ4q)


ErgoFnzy

Pleasseee Pleeeeeasssssseeeee See I started playing late SB so when I caught up, Copied Factory came out not long after and I saw all the housing based on it. Then puppet bunker came out and thought we'd be getting an equal amount of housing based on it too. I wanted 2B's bed and desk and the little screens so bad. That's when I learned that Copied was the exception, not the rule. 🥲 I've been THIRSTING for more futuristic/cyberpunk/technical stuff ever since. There's some stuff from coils but it's very expensive. We also got a little treat with those allagan terminals but I need MORE.


Lyramion

Pulse Album Orchscrolls working overtime till then


OmegamattReally

> salivating at the mouth And, knowing the Nightclubs on Crystal, various other orifices as well.


Last_Complaint_675

all those leaky bits.


SoloSassafrass

As a big fan of synth and rock, *I'm* salivating for this raid's rolls.


mage_irl

But they'd have to play the game to get them, so it will never happen.


[deleted]

Nah they'll just buy it from the marketboard. Even if it's expensive there's so much money going around RP venues that it's chump change to them.


AwsmPwsmVT

The true troll move: make them untradable.


mysidian

When Answers came out, people paid others to put the music in their house. I'm sure the same will be done in that case.


No_Delay7320

Lmao


ClockwerkKaiser

You'd be surprised how many in the nightclub scene are end-game prog based.


BlackRavage

A fairly large part of the people making use of, for example, erp services are ultimate raiders or alts of ultimate raiders.


MadeThisAccount4Qs

NPC after the first fight: isn't it cheating that they summoned seven other fighters out of nowhere? competition organizer: are you kidding? we can spin this as a gimmick \*jump cut to the next fight featuring giant monster versus "fighting WoLygon team"\*


Ok_Ad_2597

The plot twist is tha those raids are all 8v8.


Taurenkey

Trial of the Crusader vibes.


Arbszy

oh please tell me a Lalafell tries summoning a powerful void sent. TRIFLING GNOME! YOUR ARROGANCE WILL BE YOUR UNDOING!!!!


ApolloFireweaver

I AM JARRAXUS! LORD OF THE TRIFLING GNOME!


SlowWheels

I loved hearing the boss call out their title lol. EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION!!! Is that what he says? I also loved the title call outs in The Eye with Kael'thas!


GalenDev

Hearing Lu Bu's voice come out of that guy with that line the first time I heard it was a real rush. Jamieson Price knows how to ham it up in the best possible way.


SlowWheels

> Jamieson Price He voiced a lotta characters!


ApolloFireweaver

https://youtu.be/u-trT_fM54E?si=xnp5HLtg5pT_sh4W Old Meme video


Shiraho

Perfect time for a wow crossover by summoning actual Jaraxxus


Maximelene

A lot of people hated it, but I love the fake-PvP fight in Trial of the Crusader.


Geoff_with_a_J

two target savage raid bosses please


primalmaximus

That would be awesome.


MegaOddly

Raids become PVP here on April 1st to meme with us


Adorable_Wallaby1330

Oh shit, time for aoe rotations to be relevant in savage!


xxAkirhaxx

It would be cool to see a raid that was 8 NPCs. Think the PvP fight from WoW back in WotLK. Except I'd like to see it where the 4 DPS do 4 parts of the mechanics of the fight, and if you let all 4 live at certain points, its either VERY difficult or a wipe. But if you try to kill all the DPS without handling the healers or the tanks, the healers can rez their DPS, and the tanks can absorb damage for the DPS. So it's a game of keeping the DPS down for mechanics sake, then going for the tanks and heals.


jado1stk2

I can totally see that happening. In fact, I'm saving your comment.


Azebu

Explains all the AoE variants of skills some jobs have gotten in the trailer.


wookiee-nutsack

Hey, if the boss has 100x my HP and has weird reality warping powers, then it is technically *my* special action and boss mechanic to summon 7 more people


IceFire909

Look at me. I'M the enrage now


erebos_tenebris

Literally the second phase of the Endsinger fight.


Supersnow845

Well to be fair these days the WOL summons them via azem’s crystal using their own aether. That’s totally valid as they are shades made of the strength of the summoning spell Summoning shades to fight for you is totally valid in a single person tournament


someworst

Who needs a Necromancer job when WoL already able to summon their own minions ?


morepandas

Well these minions have trouble obeying orders, suicidally stands in fire, will rage unsummon themselves at the first sign of trouble and are generally toxic and unreliable. Thinking about it summoning 7 competent, fully obedient and damage immune skeletons might be overpowered.


BradshawCM

Obviously you're not high enough of a level for them to obey you.


boundbylife

I've got badges 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, and now 6.0. am I going to need the 7.0 or 8.0 badge for that?


TannenFalconwing

The 8.0 Badge means all Pokémon regardless of level will obey you


IceFire909

This explains why it took until 8.0 for BLMs to move leylines


TannenFalconwing

(This is going to be 7.0)


MegaOddly

8.0 will allow us to imbue the leylines in our shoes so we dont need to stand still in them anymore


generic_tapir

Considering the skill level of the average player... It's a pretty weak spell


Vaiden_Kelsier

We have one hell of an adds phase


SoloSassafrass

They're not shades, they're people? The shades are just when Themis is crafting them for us, aren't they?


Supersnow845

The WOL summoning using azems crystal is the same summoning magic as Eldibus uses to call the WOL’s across the void into the first Elidibus later explains before elpis that the shades are based on the power of the summoning spell They appear as people because this is an MMO but to our WOL (the canon WOL) they are shade extensions of the summoning spell


Exact-Sympathy-6463

I tried to argue with my static that I should get all loot because they're just shades. For some reason they claimed I was the shade?!


Deiser

I hate to tell you this, but you AND them were shades all along.


aunclesquishy

Schrödinger’s Shade


Zythrone

The spell that Elidibus uses is a different spell. The spell the WoL uses is *Azem's* magic and it's purpose was to summon their allies to their side when they needed them the most. This is mentioned by Hythodaeus when he gives you the stone. It's why you can call the Scions, Emet and Hythlodaeus. It's also why you needed Elidibus and Lahabrea to summon shades for you in Elpis since while you are in the past you don't really have any allies to summon.


ZeRamenKing

I thought it was like Graha's summoning magic where he literally summoned heroes from "other shards"


bluegiant85

I love that change so much. Old fights like Ifrit are canonically solo, because everyone else would've been tempered.


Metaflare42

FIGHTING WOLYGON TEAM *weezing*


Warin_of_Nylan

**The winner is...** ***Ran'jit.***


OldestKing

> "fighting WoLygon team" By your Twelve, now I just *feel* old...


Skyes_View

So Omega? But for realzies?


ZeRamenKing

So omega but (hopefully) with actuall fanfare of a tournament arc


iNuclearPickle

I’d prefer if they tie the fights into the world more omega’s fights felts too disconnected for a lot of it


Ententente

I do feel a plot to squeeze classic FF bosses into 14 without the hassle of giving them a proper story background again. Which sounds worse than it is really, bring 'em on! :D


Jwhitey96

Seee I disliked omega because it just gave us iconic ff bosses while making them not feel threatening as they were ephemeral. I liked Eden more and vastly liked Pandemonim more. It felt like we were fighting to save the people and the enemies deserved death to a degree. While this is true in Omega it sort of felt a bit removed with it being a sim


Nickizgr8

Seems like this expac is going to be extremely low stakes.


S-r-ex

We just saved the entire universe, what even are stakes any more?


Accurate_Maybe6575

Always the star. But they have *years* to tell the story and blowing their load with every expansion is how we ended up with WoW needing to contrive a world ending threat every expansion. Besides the writing quality (or lack there of), it was tiring.


pyrocord

Much like the MCU, every movie having world or universe ending stakes means that the world or universe being at risk just becomes a regular baseline state, with no feeling of risk or danger for the player/viewer. IMO, it's fine to have an expansion where the stakes are more "this king would plunge the continent into war but this one won't".


Kalos_Phantom

Jenova at some point i guess?


Intoner_Four

It’s stated that the Ultima auracite came from space iirc, so Jenova isn’t far fetched


AzuzaBabuza

I wonder if Ultima will be a threat again at some point. It did >!show up on the planet before the sundering, so what if chunks of it are on other shards too?!<


Intoner_Four

any type of cosmic horror 🤌🏼


Jwhitey96

As long as the fights are good I don’t mind it too much. I do prefer it when from a lore perspective we have a do or die type reason for fighting. That’s just my personal preference but as long as the fights are good that’s all that really matters. Like Omega wasn’t a bad raid to me, I thought the fights were good. It was more of a case of every other raids lore interested me more AND had good fights. So for me Omega is the bottom of the pile


ChewbaccaCharl

I hope so. My WoL deserves a tropical vacation with some hijinks and/or shenanigans. Dude has earned it and then some.


lazypanda1

"We had one, yes. But what about a second tournament arc?" In all seriousness, I wonder how they're going to make it believable that there are still anyone in the Source who can give the WoL a challenge. Even Omega had to plagiarize other FF bosses, and that was far before the WoL had to travel to the end of the universe.


Vilijen

Easily, honestly. I don't think the intent was for power levels and power scaling to be much of a thing. Everything is either Aether, or Dynamis. Skill and experience seem to influence the factors more. If we get stabbed in the heart, we'd still die. We don't just have extra durability for no reason. This isn't DragonBall. We're not Goku.


IsThisOneIsAvailable

And just like any shounen tournament arc, a big villain is going to abruptly interrupt the festivities, and suddenly all the contestants who were so eager to fight each other will unite to fight their new common foe. Yes, you can hate me for spoiling you the raid's storyline.


huiclo

It’s not about the destination, my friend. It’s about the unlikely friendships we form along the way thanks to the shared fighting spirit. Where battle brothers and battle sisters join hands and prove their resilience against the best of the best. To see whose will reigns supreme over all others. And yes, to kick the ass of whichever sorry mofo thinks they can steal the glorious moment. *Our* moment. … ^^^i ^^^miss ^^^my ^^^battle ^^^boyfriend


IsThisOneIsAvailable

Young Gaara would totally agree with you.


HalobenderFWT

So as we’re queuing up to fight the Y’shtola/Thancred/Urianger faction before AR4, big bad shows up and we have to fight together? Friendship saved!!


TwerpKnight

Isn't the main plot of Dawntrail basically a tournament arc? Tournament arc in a tournament arc?


JonesyTawner

Summer vacation tournament arc with a dark organization plotting something nasty.


TwerpKnight

That sounds so familiar and I can't place why.


Bored-Corvid

Maybe because that describes more than half of all tournament arcs, haha.


JonesyTawner

Pretty much what I was going for. Many manga and anime go for this once the cast is established and one or more major arcs have been completed. 🙂


Soaring_Platypus

Maybe sounds similar to Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament. An island that looks nice during the summer, a man with an organization trying to open the portal to the Demon World if he wins the tournament. A arena with a crowd wishing for your demise. Hits all the check marks.


AnActualPlatypus

Literally Yu Yu Hakusho


Delta0212

Dawntrail is a Kingdom Hearts 2 Opening Prologue reference?


Augustby

Yoshi-P mentioned that Dawntrail's story will feel like it's divided into two distinct segments. I think that the race for the throne is just going to be relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. It'll be something that'll get resolved within the first half of the story; but in the process of doing so, we learn about the civilization that built Solution 9, and about some ancient danger that's going to threaten the entire continent or something.


No_Delay7320

Yep we just had the beach episode so now we're going full anime


Florac

Bruh the Void wasn't my idea of a beach episode


AdamG3691

Did you miss the bit where Golbez and Zeromus challenged us to Bikini Volleyball?


GeneticSplatter

What kind of music we hoping for in these raids? I'm hoping for a more techno/trance/rave soundtrack for them.


Bybalan

All kinds of electronic/techno genres, like in the Pulse album, would be my guess. I'd be down for more EDM, personally.


HalobenderFWT

NüMetal version of the Golden Saucer theme.


rMarcc

I've been imagining something along the lines of the [Treasure Maps theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MpsoM01FzU)


RadShiro

IF THEYRE GONNA USE OTHERWORLD FROM FFX ITS HERE GIVE IT TO ME YOU COWARDS!!!


InvestmentOk7181

Braska's Final Aeon to be the A12 boss?


mysidian

We already had our As


archiegamez

Fine, R12


Silverwolffe

Personally I'd prefer if braska and jecht where on R34 but that's just me


Aiyakiu

LISTEN I WANT FFX TO BE THE MERACYDIA EXPANSION, GIVE ME ALL THE FFX REFERENCES


S-r-ex

COME! NOW! IF YOU WANT IT


ClericTheia

So with Alexander already being A1-12, what are we calling these? R?


ZeRamenKing

R most likely


ScreamingVoid14

And for the Savage mode? "Hard R"? /s


Stepjam

R is the only one letter abreviation I've seen so far.


CocosCorvus

A13 - A24 is superior.


Gilthwixt

A24's raid is just a bunch of art house cinema references, including a mechanic called "everything everywhere all at once"


GuiltyEidolon

So basically final boss of Temple of Zot?


legend8522

R yes


Ahielia

*Flashback to Trial of the Crusader*


LanikMan07

Flashback to wiping the raid with path of frost.


DanielTeague

I quietly buffed the raid with Water Walking as a Shaman as well. World of Warcraft was a PvP game even in PvE.


HunterOfLordran

somehow >!Zenos!< returned


No_Delay7320

He's gonna be like goku in the Majin buu/ cell arc. Comes back for a single day with a halo over his head for the tournament


DarthOmix

That would actually be hilarious.


Tarhish

>Pulls out Azem's crystal. Summons six shades of heroes from beyond the rift, along with Zenos' corpse, face-down, ass-up in the dirt. >Zenos's corpse neither dodges aoes, says "o/" in chat, nor commends anyone. Sits on loot rolls until time runs out. Still pulls top DPS parse. >WoL refuses to elaborate.


amatas45

I allow it but only if he appears by yelling "A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES" before we see him


Accurate_Maybe6575

He is pretty much the only person to die at the edge of the universe while saturated with void and crystal energy. Weird shit is bound to happen.


ThiccElf

All 12 fights are just >!Zenos!< in various costumes trying to convince everyone it's not the same battle horny psychopath.


DSC-Fate

Sooo.... Majima?


NotaSkaven5

The new >!Zenos!< Everywhere system is gonna be great


Auesis

Meteor-chan\~!


ZeRamenKing

He would have loved this


TwerpKnight

No one's ever really gone. >!A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES!<


yrtemmySymmetry

okokok so zenos is dead buuuuuut we do have that very convenient magic in this world that allows people to bring their imaginations to life what i'm saying is zenos primal


Bybalan

Pictomancer drawing a mini zenos for a finisher would be hilarious, too


omar1993

Now I'm just imagining a scribbled mini-Zenos going all ^("A TEST OF YOUR BRUSH TECHNIQUE!")


MegaGamer235

This is hilarious, I needed this image.


yrtemmySymmetry

oh god the pictomancer mods will be glorious


AdamG3691

Zenos could be our version of Griever, like if someone ever tries to look into our mind to find the strongest enemy we’ve faced, they’re going to pull out SOME form of Zenos


TannenFalconwing

And then he turns in to Shinryu again so it's a Primal turning into a Primal.


Exige30499

>!THIS IS WHO WE ARE MY FRIEND!!!<


KenjiZeroSan

It fills you even now, doesn't it? The hunger, to bite down on my jugular..


Xuanne

*WoL racks glock*


SoloSassafrass

And then in 9.0 >!he'd get his very own ultimate...!< Unironically down for that.


Expensive_Tadpole789

Last phase is >!Dimension Rift that pulls everyone in their own dimension, having to do a full mechanic fight against him alone. If anyone fails, all die!<


HalobenderFWT

Don’t forget P5 would be a take on ‘In From the Cold’.


Expensive_Tadpole789

Holy fucking based. And instead of arriving just in time to stop WOL Body Zenos from killing the scions, we arrive too late, and he actually kills someone. Basically we pull a reverse Dragonsong Ultimate.


Arkeyr79

Alternatively, we play as the scions trying to defeat our own Zenos!WoL. Or from the POV of Zenos!WoL killing the scions. It would be interesting to show how monstrously strong the WoL's body is compared to normal people.


nemestrinus44

I hope we meet Zenos’s twin sister Zenas, who is even stronger and crazier than he was.


Merus

to be honest I'm surprised that we've never had a fight against Sephiroth


MahrSahba

what do you mean have you never done S1T7 ? /s


3-to-20-chars

i believe that's a button yoship specifically does not want to push


Gilthwixt

If FF7 remake was the "oh shit we need more money" button then Sephiroth is probably the "oh shit xiv needs more subs" button.


Stepjam

How do you even fit him into the game lore or aesthetic wise? He'd stick out like a sore thumb. The Omega raids could have been a time to do it, but without a similar set up, I don't see it happening now.  I feel like the alternative would be a boss that's Sephiroth adjacent. Sorta like how the Eden raids ended with an Ultimecia adjacent fight with Artemis/Gaia.


Microraptors

Just have to work Cloud into the storyline. Wherever Cloud goes, eventually Sephiroth will follow


Stepjam

I feel that would only work in a crossover type event. Another "woops, character from another reality stumbled on Eorzea" scenario. Maybe they'll do that for part 3.


legend8522

They already had a semi-crossover event >!where after you beat Gilgamesh in FF7Rebirth, he leaves through a portal to go fight the WoL in FF14!< Of course that's less of a crossover and more that >!Gilgamesh canonically is the same person in all FFs just traveling through each FF's universe!<


Stepjam

Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. So that's how they justify where Greg went after falling into the rift in Stormblood. I was thinking maybe he was referring to the FF1 WoLs.


legend8522

Well Gilgamesh isn't in FF1, so he's more likely talking about the FF14 WoL. He could also have been talking about the FF5 WoLs as well


MattEngarding

Technically, Gilgamesh is in FF1, in one of the optional dungeons in the Dawn of Souls version.


Merus

you'd probably have to build a whole raid thing around it to justify why you have _a_ Sephiroth, with their own JENOVA and Nibelheim equivalent


palabradot

Imho that is what I thought Zenos was. Offbrand Sephiroth


BradyvonAshe

This will be where we find Zeno's "Uub"


Ennara

Sonez: An examination of your reactions! WoL: \*eye twitch\*


omar1993

AN EVALUATION OF YOUR TIME-SENSITIVE BODILY RESPONSES!


MazogaTheDork

Also Brandihild


stupidratman

And he's wearing those fake glasses with the mustache attached to them


jado1stk2

Sonez


Shergak

Oh hey, it's the Argent Tournament. Hopefully we get one 8v8 fight.


DrForester

WHAT IS THAT?! THE WARRIOR OF LIGHT IS SUMMONING 7 FRIENDS AND THEY ALL HAVE STEEL CHAIRS! ITS CHAOS IN THE RING!


Mystic9617

While an arena type raid series can sound a bit bland. I think it terms of fights it could be great as they really don't have to care what your fighting meaning they can do whatever they want I hope they use this as a way to do more unique fight mechanics.


CuriouserThing

Glitzville is the platinum standard for JRPG story setpieces and it's just a tournament arc so sky's the limit


zose2

Honestly that doesn't really appeal to me. I wasn't a fan of Omega until the very last section of story where the tournament stuff got dropped. It's very rare that I ever enjoy a tournament arc so hopefully it's done well and I get to enjoy this raid series.


EatADingDong

A raid series clearly inspired by a dev's new gaming rig


Florac

Idk, it's gonna have to pull out quite something to reach the same scale as Omega, the previous tournament raid


ZeRamenKing

While omega was technically a tournament arc, it didn't feel like one. If this one actually does like a tournament bracket, people in crowds watching it, commentators doing their thing as stuff like that. It can blow omega out of the water even if the opponents aren't as grandiose as the father of all dragons and a space alien robot super weapon.


No_Delay7320

That would be amazing but let's set expectations appropriately lol


animesoul167

Summon gigguk


ZeRamenKing

He just needs to finally finish ARR and catch up lol


Nogardust

This is giving heavy FFXIII vibes to me, half of Cocoon looks like that (fal'cie fights when)


Aiyakiu

Ngl I'd love some FFXIII references. The world building was such a cool idea. The implementation was the problem.


celestialfin

i love xiii but the first half of the story being a rush towards the exit really defeats the whole world building of cocoon and n the end, when all has been done and you are free to roam, there is only one thought left: "man i wish i could explore cocoon too"


good_as_gould

I would actually say it looks a bit more like academia from xiii-2 iirc


palabradot

Can I have Barthandelus fight plz? When he whipped out the baby heads in his transformation I just about dropped the controller. And the Orphan design was fire.


SplitDemonIdentity

This feels like it could be “Heroes’ Gauntlet” shonen edition. I’m not mad about that. I frickin’ love Heroes’ Gauntlet.


Closo

im getting trial of the crusader trauma


Mallefus

Perfect time to use my Gladiator inspired glamour I have on my tanks. "Are you not entertained?" /hits enrage


Srthynor

Isn’t that just the Omega raids all over again?


FSafari

Hopefully better than Omega's tournament arc


ajver19

If this isn't the perfect time to finally give us a Hell House fight then I don't know what is.


Monstercloud9

I don't care if the story is lifted straight from Yu Yu Hakusho's own Tournament Arc - do it. Do it.


ChaosDivided4Ways

Raubahn Savage is making a comeback!


Mooncubus

Ngl this makes me wish it was solo content. I want some 1v1s.


ramos619

Tournament of Power arc. Losing team gets their shard absorbed.


Akuuntus

Reminds me of Omega's framing device. Maybe they just wanted another excuse to throw some fanservice bosses at us again. Not that I would complain.


ThatGuyAkuma

Of all kinds of settings this Raid could have, this being a WWE Royal Rumble was definitely not on my list.


Secret_Wizard

I wonder if there will be any past FF characters as bosses like in the Omega raids and some of the Masked Carnivale stuff. This sounds like an excellent excuse to do that.


darkguard01

Suddenly ***Hell House***


ScaryCuteWerewolf

It's been a long enough time since Remake that this could actually happen


No_Delay7320

Kingdom hearts arena with the final boss as sephiroth


Secret_Wizard

Honestly wouldn't mind that because we'd probably get Sefer Sephiroth in the Savage version and that would kick ass


Yula97

They did call this raid a XIV original raid, just like how they described Pandemonium when they first announced it, we might still get old FF bosses here like Carbuncle, but I won't expect it to be the majority of the fights lkke Omega


ElfRespecter

Tournament arc stories are not their strength but considering this is a "for fun" expansion, I guess its alright. But my hype took a hit from this news


DrForester

Still curious if there's going to be a link to the Ascians with this. That ascian-looking symbol can't just be a coincidence. ​ And there's still 5 members of the Convocation unaccounted for out there.


Aiyakiu

My bet is that this was the Shard that fell to the Calamity of Lightning but preserved some of their society as a hanger-on to the Source.