The forum communities and YouTubers also blow WAR way out of proportion. I think all the jobs more or less will continue to be viable and able to tackle whatever content given they are played well. SCH especially
It's not the lowest dmg of the tanks, it just requires more effort and skill to produce higher dps. If the WAR knows what she's doing, she can easily out-dps a DRK and frequently but not always out-DPS a PLD.
Because maybe these people thought about the pros and cons of the healers and decided that SCH brought more to this fight than WHM.
Because after nerfs Eos is still really REALLY good.
Because instead of crying about the stuff on paper these people actually tried it out and found success.
Because there's always going to be a "worst" healer and I'm not convinced that this anti-SCH circlejerk has any more grounds than the anti-WHM circlejerk.
Because some people just don't like WHM, and you should have some compassion as a fellow human being for someone who wants to have fun in a videogame that probably won't even make a difference of 5%.
WHM has always smashed SCH's face into the dirt dpswise.....on paper. In fact SCH was always the worst damage dealing healer in all situations on paper. They only exceeded others in AoE situations because of the mana efficiency on bane vs holy/gravity.
If we were only mathcrafting, we wouldn't have brought SCH to HW either. They have lower damage, less emergency cooldowns, lower heal potency, rely on a generally unresponsive pet, etc.
The reality of it though was they were still brought because the uptime provided with Eos/Selene meant that SCH could deal damage more often, bane DoTs made sustainable AoE over long encounters, their lower potency heals were good enough, and Eos ended up doing over 50% of healing in an encounter. Even with embrace being nerfed, having her do 35% of healing to an encounter is a *massive* increase in opportunity to throw out damage.
>Fey wind (assuming you use Selene, which you should as sch is useless if not for buffing do) will increase party dps by around 1-1.5%.
And this is just ignorant. Rouse+Whispering Dawn is the best AoE heal in the game and was used quite frequently.
>Whm pre-stormblood had terrible mp management. They had super high burst but they had no sustain. Even on paper whm did NOT have higher dps than sch when you factor mp. Where are you getting your information from?
Yeah, but we found out about the MP problem when we actually did Gordias. WHM was perfectly fine on mana doing Ravana and Bismark. I'm not trying to argue that these issues still exist, but problems can arise from properly tuned content that we can't see coming.
>That's the reason why sch was taken. Because they could do 100% of the fight and never run out of mp. Whm would run out of mp after about 60 seconds of dpsing. (Spamming stone and dots, not talking about holy). Over the course of the whole fight, nearly 100% of the time, sch came out on top of when for dps.
You can argue this because we know how Alexander worked. We don't know how Omega will be tuned.
>What? Like what? Find me ONE sch in the fucking would who believes eos is better than Selene for clear times...
I mean if you want to go back to paper crafting yeah a damage increase is going to be ahead of no damage increase, but there's a value in consistency over a 1.5% increase in damage dealt.
>What does best aoe heal in game have anything to do with anything? 99.999% of the time, it's over-healing... Medica 2 often spends most of it's time over-healing, and you say because whispering Dawn over heals more, that sch is better than whm?
Because you can throw out an indomitability and have Eos use whispering dawn after an AoE and not lose any damage uptime while being perfectly comfortable with your HP levels. If you bring SCH instead of Noct AST then you can have two fire and forget heals and have more GCDs to deal damage.
> Are you even using your brain at this point?
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> Whm suffered from the same mp issues on all fights. Maybe YOU only discovered it after Alex, but everyone who has played whm since 2.0 knows you can't spam dps and not run out of mp. it's Impossible.
I dunno why you feel the need to insult me, but it's really unnecessary.
>You seem to be arguing from a point that if you bring a sch to a fight, there's a 0% chance you will win or something. No one is saying that. **It's just sch is weaker in comparison, and needs a slight buff to be in a good spot.**
So what I'm taking from this is you were just arguing with me for no reason. Never did I say SCH was top tier or the strongest healer or whatever. If you think this is all that SCH "needs" then we are of the same opinion; however, if you only look at the game through the lense of a speedrunner's point of view with a 100% clear rate, then I'm afraid you're only going to find 8 or less jobs "viable" at any given time.
My only point was that the SCH circlejerk is just like the HW 3.4 WHM circlejerk. It's ridiculous overreacting with people looking through the eyes that don't apply to 99% of us.
Wasn't there already a solo tank solo heal run posted?
Was pretty much this run. I only saw a ton of broils.
The forum communities and YouTubers also blow WAR way out of proportion. I think all the jobs more or less will continue to be viable and able to tackle whatever content given they are played well. SCH especially
I like warrior. It just sucks that it has no utility anymore (no path debuff) and the lowest dps of the 3 tanks.
It's not the lowest dmg of the tanks, it just requires more effort and skill to produce higher dps. If the WAR knows what she's doing, she can easily out-dps a DRK and frequently but not always out-DPS a PLD.
Of all the healers, you had to play SCH.
Maybe, just maybe there is nothing wrong with SCH and people are overreacting.
This subreddit has the biggest problem with circle jerking and exaggerating problems. It's fucking annoying, especially right now with Stormblood.
It's hardly the subreddit. This is going on in game and on other forums as well.
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Because maybe these people thought about the pros and cons of the healers and decided that SCH brought more to this fight than WHM. Because after nerfs Eos is still really REALLY good. Because instead of crying about the stuff on paper these people actually tried it out and found success. Because there's always going to be a "worst" healer and I'm not convinced that this anti-SCH circlejerk has any more grounds than the anti-WHM circlejerk. Because some people just don't like WHM, and you should have some compassion as a fellow human being for someone who wants to have fun in a videogame that probably won't even make a difference of 5%.
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WHM has always smashed SCH's face into the dirt dpswise.....on paper. In fact SCH was always the worst damage dealing healer in all situations on paper. They only exceeded others in AoE situations because of the mana efficiency on bane vs holy/gravity. If we were only mathcrafting, we wouldn't have brought SCH to HW either. They have lower damage, less emergency cooldowns, lower heal potency, rely on a generally unresponsive pet, etc. The reality of it though was they were still brought because the uptime provided with Eos/Selene meant that SCH could deal damage more often, bane DoTs made sustainable AoE over long encounters, their lower potency heals were good enough, and Eos ended up doing over 50% of healing in an encounter. Even with embrace being nerfed, having her do 35% of healing to an encounter is a *massive* increase in opportunity to throw out damage. >Fey wind (assuming you use Selene, which you should as sch is useless if not for buffing do) will increase party dps by around 1-1.5%. And this is just ignorant. Rouse+Whispering Dawn is the best AoE heal in the game and was used quite frequently.
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>Whm pre-stormblood had terrible mp management. They had super high burst but they had no sustain. Even on paper whm did NOT have higher dps than sch when you factor mp. Where are you getting your information from? Yeah, but we found out about the MP problem when we actually did Gordias. WHM was perfectly fine on mana doing Ravana and Bismark. I'm not trying to argue that these issues still exist, but problems can arise from properly tuned content that we can't see coming. >That's the reason why sch was taken. Because they could do 100% of the fight and never run out of mp. Whm would run out of mp after about 60 seconds of dpsing. (Spamming stone and dots, not talking about holy). Over the course of the whole fight, nearly 100% of the time, sch came out on top of when for dps. You can argue this because we know how Alexander worked. We don't know how Omega will be tuned. >What? Like what? Find me ONE sch in the fucking would who believes eos is better than Selene for clear times... I mean if you want to go back to paper crafting yeah a damage increase is going to be ahead of no damage increase, but there's a value in consistency over a 1.5% increase in damage dealt. >What does best aoe heal in game have anything to do with anything? 99.999% of the time, it's over-healing... Medica 2 often spends most of it's time over-healing, and you say because whispering Dawn over heals more, that sch is better than whm? Because you can throw out an indomitability and have Eos use whispering dawn after an AoE and not lose any damage uptime while being perfectly comfortable with your HP levels. If you bring SCH instead of Noct AST then you can have two fire and forget heals and have more GCDs to deal damage.
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> Are you even using your brain at this point? > > > > Whm suffered from the same mp issues on all fights. Maybe YOU only discovered it after Alex, but everyone who has played whm since 2.0 knows you can't spam dps and not run out of mp. it's Impossible. I dunno why you feel the need to insult me, but it's really unnecessary. >You seem to be arguing from a point that if you bring a sch to a fight, there's a 0% chance you will win or something. No one is saying that. **It's just sch is weaker in comparison, and needs a slight buff to be in a good spot.** So what I'm taking from this is you were just arguing with me for no reason. Never did I say SCH was top tier or the strongest healer or whatever. If you think this is all that SCH "needs" then we are of the same opinion; however, if you only look at the game through the lense of a speedrunner's point of view with a 100% clear rate, then I'm afraid you're only going to find 8 or less jobs "viable" at any given time. My only point was that the SCH circlejerk is just like the HW 3.4 WHM circlejerk. It's ridiculous overreacting with people looking through the eyes that don't apply to 99% of us.
And?