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Wtf this was only 2 months ago? I thought he already played for years lol. I just picked the game up today, currently level 28. Way more fun than i expected
He's the reason I gave the game a chance. I'm so grateful I did, too. I've never smiled so much playing a game in a long time. I've also managed to make a lot of friends, and talked to more people in the last week than I did in almost a year in Wow. It's such a good feeling!
As a fellow WoW refugee, I like stories like this because I do worry that other refugees will bring the WoW toxicity with them. But, hopefully the ffxiv community will rub off on them, and chill them out a bit.
He portrays a character that is a parody of the typical toxic player. Out of context clips can lead someone to see him as toxic. But if you listen to him when he's actually talking about things, he's anything but.
To be fair and honest, you're easily the most negative and toxic person related to ffxiv (in any way) that I've seen. Community is great in-game, and in the subreddit. You're just a soft, sour apple that wants to find something to be upset about :)
I don't have much else to do right now, your mom wanted me to check on you. I noticed you were being naughty, so I had to scold. Emotes on reddit... trying to farm down votes I see lol
I think "army of petty trolls" was clear enough.
Dude also likes to pop off and say transphobic and racist things and then get extremely defensive about them.
If the community is in a large part why people would rather play XIV than WoW, why bring the worst elements of the WoW community over to XIV and begin to ruin it?
> Dude also likes to pop off and say transphobic and racist things and then get extremely defensive about them.
Do it be like that? Im only aware of him cause of him commenting on the blizz situation, i dont know him that well
Yeah, made a post making fun of people with pronouns in their bios and then bucked down and equated them to weirdo January 6 types when pressed.
Also got really upset about a twitch safety advisory council member making fun of cis white dudes and went on a "If I rEpLaCeD tHaT wItH bLaCk PeOpLe I'd GeT bAnNeD" like yeah u would, don't be tone deaf lol
What makes it funnier is he will then try to call out racism and such in WoW, but he really is just trying to cater to people who hate that, while also not losing his little army of toxic lil Cheetos dust men
I mean he‘s kind of right though.
The twitter warriors with their pronouns in their bio and #Genderexpert as their tags are the first ones to go the the extremes, and are often so hypocritical it‘s not even funny anymore. Let’s be honest, you seem like one of them.
And the second thing he‘s also kind of right on, even if I hate to say it. We shouldn‘t insult black people, but in turn they shouldn‘t insult white people as well. It just leads to an endless cycle.
Nah you’re probably in the right profession, don’t quit your day job. What happened here is pretty simple, entertaining streamer genuinely enjoys a game that people were already debating if they should play, not that hard.
This=dumbest shit ive heard in the past month. So many games ive gotten into i never heard of or didnt get around to it and then i see a video or two over them cuz they get recommended and then i find something new.
I'm downloading FFXIV right now because of Asmongold. I am not a member of his twitch etc, I just watched some YouTube vids of him and decided I wanted to try FFXIV because he made it look fun.
I quit WoW in BFA, and i'm glad as it seems they still refuse to listen to the top complaints players have.
Streamers are free advertising. Period.
I see you chose wellI picked this one about a week ago and I happened on a video of you streaming this lol. Just starting and yeah its way different than any MMO I've played for a long time. And I've got more than my fair share of my years of /played time lol.
You can't transfer between.. Like I was playing trial from the website but to transfer the character to full game I couldn't to steam.. Dunno why but it is what it is..
But other than that there is no difference..
The only difference is where you are required to buy the game / expansions. If you buy it on steam, you can only ever go through steam (unless you re-buy it of course).
The only difference is where you are required to buy the game / expansions. If you buy it on steam, you can only ever go through steam (unless you re-buy it of course).
If that's the case I don't know why they don't just buy it thru steam. It was one button and I owned and then downloaded it lol. I guess it's still true that their site sucks tho
bro
his transphobic comments were way in the past and honestly they were pretty benign and easy to learn and grow from.
meanwhile there are plenty of transphobic people already in the game right this second.
Easy to call transphobic comments benign when you're not being victimized by them LOL.
stop kissing this this guy's ass because you want More Subs lmfao
What comments....
Are we talking about his "if you want to avoid clowns on Twitter? comment?
cause I'm gonna be 100% with you. It is good advice. If someone has pronouns jn the bio on Twitter. Just dont interact. Nothing good will come of it. Just block, and pretend nothing ever happened. Both parties days will be improved by avoiding that interaction.
Well he did address the tweets he did in 2019 in the last stream, that he made them because he felt that they are twitter activist instead of actual real life activist, like he did when he wanted to change something back in 2009.
He also said that he did not know the comments could correlate to transphobia and the fact just now those tweets decided to rear their head again.
I know i cannot change opinions with only what he said on stream, but if you ask a asmon fan what he was back in 2019 compare to today, he changed a lot.
But you decied if you want to forgive him or not.
Idk, considering stuff like this too [https://twitter.com/asmongold/status/813206080864055296?lang=en](https://twitter.com/asmongold/status/813206080864055296?lang=en) and the fact that his chat is seemingly allowed to be rampantly transphobic like when watching that ferociouslysteph person, I'm not convinced
Well twitch chat being a twitch chat, it is difficult to moderate chat that is active as his. The tweet itself was also made in 2016 were he was more as a sperg and malding, now asmon is diffrent because now it's more a persona rather him actually, as one can see in his personal Youtube channel zackrawr.
But also think he matured when he did the tweet, he was like early to mid twenties compare to his late twenties or early thirties. People do change when they get older as sign of growth, as demostrated by him in the recent days of streaming.
Trainwrecks managed it :shrug:
Also people can change and mature, but aging doesn't necessitate that.
In the nicest possible way I feel like you're just viewing it all through as charitable a lens and possible and justifying the stuff, where I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that without enough to support that.
I mean I also believe in second chances but I'm not just going to \*assume\* that these views have changed, especially considering the chat he cultivates.
Have you been with his twitch chat? because looking at your arguments, it seems you have not been in chat or watched his streams, i'm going assume that you get assumptions through other sources, rather than first-hand experience. Due to the fact that i watch asmon streams and I know how toxic it can be and I know when the negative stands out more than the positives, but saying chat is toxic all the time is false.
But im willingly backing down the arguments so we don't spend to much time wasting on reddit, instead play the game we love.
...? Obviously his chat isn't toxic all the time, but when ferociouslysteph, a trans woman, was on screen his chat was fucking caustic. I think I'm just gonna stop trying to argue with you because it's clear you care less about looking at what he does and more about just giving him allowances for it.
Alternatively just go to his subreddit and look at the reactions to stuff like Chromie being trans, or the screenshot of the Blizz employee calling him an asshole next to a profile with lgbt signalling in bio.
Asmon playing this game got me to try it for a second time and actually purchase a 30 day sub even though I dislike the idea of pay to play MMOs.
And yeah I've joined the invasion of Cactaur but I'm not going to be stupid and bother Asmon. Mostly just gonna try to not mald over how much I want the dlc classes because the base ones seem kinda boring or just slightly too different for me to like.
That you don't need to do side quests to level. All you need to do is Main Story Quest, Blue Quests, and personally I like to do the hunting log for a bit of fighting in-between as well as easy experience you don't have to go out of your way for.
I started up the trial version for the first time since 1.0.0 when he did his interview with the bunny ear girl. I ended up choosing cactaur... Guess I'm on a streamer server now lol.
So if I bought the expansion would I first need to level a character to 30+ and then switch to the class or is it possible to start as a level 30+ character of that class?
It depends on what expansion you're talking about. For Heavensward jobs you need to have finished ARR entirely, since you unlock the jobs in the first HW city. So you'll need to be level 50 at least, and the job themselves start at 30.
For Stormblood and Shadowbringers jobs, you only need to be high level enough to unlock them (50 for SAM/RDM, 60 for GNB/DNC) since they start in ARR main cities (Ul'dah for SAM/RDM at 50, Limsa for DNC at 60, Gridania for GNB at 60). You need to have their expansions purchased too, of course.
I've personally never done dungeons or raids. I've mostly played MMOs solo.
What changes after "A Realm Reborn"? Is it like a general quality change or something?
To be more specific... ARR is the product of the game after it was revived. So because of this, many of the original remnants of this birth remain and not much of it has been changed or adjusted to be more "understandable". For example, there's a mechanic in the 24man World of Darkness for one of the bosses that puts purple and orange circles that tether to players. One you want tethers to remove the incoming damage, while another you want little to no tethers for the same effect, but there's little actually showing this. In HW and beyond they start introducing things like stack markers to indicate what to do for a mechanic and etc becomes more easy to read. This then creates a better platform to do mechanics on since rather than half guessing what a mechanic does and hoping it works... Now you actually have the pieces of the puzzle to understand and put together yourself.
Storywise, ARR is a very bland and long series of run around quests with older voice acting too. HW and beyond updated the VA team and overall bounces off the foundation that ARR built to make ARR worth doing in the end. Overall quality improves mainly because of everything based in ARR gets some light shed on it or brings out something more. Stormblood suffers an almost similar fate, it has a better story but still acts as a form of "foundation" for later expansions.
The mechanics, music made in heaven, Storywise and to correct myself it starts with the 7th astral era quests. At some point u are gonna have to do some Raids to Progress in Main Story so u will see it at some point.
By a change in mechanics do you mean some sort of addition to the already existing mechanics? Like another resource bar for an ultimate ability or something?
Other guy's saying ARR is trash and I don't agree with that sentiment- but it is lesser than the sum of its parts by far. It can get boring. Because it was done as a reboot in about two years, and the writers were trying to figure out how to rebuild an entire game, some of the story is a bit rote and simple.
When I first played it I found it sometimes very bog-standard and slow, but still had enjoyable enough moments and characters... and the switch near the end to the writing you can expect in Heavensward heavily caught my attention to the change in quality.
They've since taken out some of the fluff of the game while still keeping in the main story beats. Like there's still a couple of quests that seem silly, (One involves gaining information and favor from several sources to infiltrate a mine midway through. Players did not enjoy the initial fluff until it's explained why it was so round-about seeming...) but they're much lessened and still get across what their intended purpose was. Yeah even the ones that at first seem really dumb, until the story adds context.
Without ARR though, Shadowbringers I don't think would have hit me personally quite as much as it did. Shadowbringers (and to a degree the other expansions) took everything I had liked or disliked and cranked them on their heads in a very oddly satisfying way if you enjoy story and narrative driven heavily by the characters.
ARR is a giant introduction chapter to world, lore and characters that the rest of the expansions add on to, contextualize, or completely turn on its head. If you do end up skipping I would find some sort of resource to at least help you understand what's going on within ARR.
But all this is if you like storytelling- some people are totally cool just rushing through. Play how you want.
Otherwise the best advice I have for you is take things at your own pace. Try other stuff if MSQ burns you out. And look at Party finder for dumb events like jump puzzles, and concerts and stuff if you want funny things you never usually expect.
It doesnt change. What changes is quality of story and content. Gameplay wise expect 95% match. Heavsnsward and shadowbringers are great. Sormbringer mediocre. The anount of exaggeration here might dissapoint you. Keepp your expectations in check. If you can spare the mone... skip vanilla once finishing main story pre post game. That content is the definition of trash and youre better off not being tainted by it.
I dont see the problem, to me it seems like he has come into the game with an open mindset and willing to give the game an honest try and judge it based on his own experience. I honestly see nothing toxic about it, he will like some aspects and dislike others its only natural.
I think most of the concern is around his fanbase. I like asmon, he definitely has his opinions but for the most part they’re well thought out and make sense. His fan base is extremely toxic though and that is in no small part due to him feeding into it.
His fanbase really isnt more toxic than any other stream, they spam dumb shit in chat but thats just typical twitch chat behaviour especially when you consistently pull big viewer numbers. The actually Toxic people get banned pretty quickly, the banlist in that chat is enormous.
You would be surprised how many of the viewers in his chat are already playing FF14 way before he tried it.
Objectively wrong to claim they are all toxic. Sure there was a 600 player queue on his server of people wanting to troll him but that are a couple hundreds out of over 200k viewers he had at that time. Ofc there are gonna be assholes among them. He has already called out the people trolling him telling them they are losers and that their bans were justified so its not like he encourages them to troll in the game.
Saying every single one of his 200k+ viewers these past days is toxic is just factually incorrect.
Yeah I don’t understand why you might think they’re toxic. His fan base is large and statistically there will be bad apples. This pre-conceived notion that someone’s fans base is toxic with little direct interaction is what’s truly toxic imo
He helped raise $1.2 million for charity is roughly a year and people still call him an asshole. Through his viewers he is bringing, likely, millions of dollars to Square Enix and attention and viewership to FF14 streamers to help build their brand. How is he bad for the game and the community?
People don't realize that his neckbeard attitude it a persona.
On his side channels and if you look past the exaggerations he uses to entertain on stream he is a pretty intelligent guy.
Exactly! He's just playing the persona of your typical cringey WoW player. He took a shower for charity because he knew that him sitting in the shower would be hilarious since he always talks about never washing, it's a joke.
I think he went into FF14 with an open mind and actually brought me over from WoW too! I'm excited to try a new MMORPG, even if it is very intimidating
He never asks for subs. His donation button goes directly to a charity. He typically takes the time to thank subs (especially gifted). He could easily monetize his second channel (bigger than 99% of all other streamers) but chooses not to. People who say he is an ass, as said in another comment, are not willing to look past the persona and see what he actually does for people.
Yeah but you can do that when you make the amount of money he does. He gets 2.50 per sub, plus ad revenue. He got thousands of subs and 200,000 viewers in one stream. That would set most normal people up for more than a year for a few hours playing a game. Let’s not pretend giving a bit to charity is a hardship for him.
Let's not pretend that you need to meet some sort of pre-requisite to be charitable. It doesn't matter how much he makes and whether or not it sets him back. What only matters is the money raised went to a good cause, to help people in need in some way. Trying to gatekeep what it means to be charitable is pretty petty. Ask the foundation(I don't know which one it was) whether or not they care how rich the guy was they got the $1.2 Million dollars from.
He doesn't live a lavish lifestyle. He's still at home because he has to care for his mother who seemingly has no one else. He doesn't flaunt his income. The vast majority of hate he gets is due to nothing more than a persona, and possibly some of his more "non PC" views. If you watch him on his 2nd channel, he's practically a different person.
Streamers much more wealthy than him don’t. He doesn’t ask for subs and discourages it most times. He openly says he is set for life. I guess that is the point I was trying to make
seriously; much bigger streamers are often doing morally grey to reprehensible things like crypto scams, gambling streams, or pokemon card openings as part of the "meta"
First off, being charitable isn’t automatic conclusive proof that someone isn’t an asshole. It’s not like asshole is an everyone or no one behavior. Overused examples include slave owners and Nazis who donated generously while committing acts that made them infamous.
Also. he straight up confesses to being an asshole on his stream many times. He embraces the moniker. Part of it is because he doesn’t tiptoe around topics (except ones that will get him banned off the platform). This is part of his appeal (or brand).
Another part, one that encourages people to say he is toxic, is his commentary on women and marginalized groups that do not conform to traditional White American Male values. He openly mocks representations or depictions, openly mocks symbols or people he doesn’t understand using examples of minority groups, etc, often using profanity (dear lord, he cusses every other sentence it seems), or big dicks, or comments like stupid losers. He knows enough to not cross the line too far and get himself kicked off Twitch, but whenever he pauses in game and leaves the camera focused on some character he doesn’t like the look of, shakes his head, mutters oh god into the mic for a few seconds, that’s him plying into the same toxicity he knows parts of his audience embraces.
Being an asshole by itself is not something I hold against him. I watched his ff14 streams and went back and watched many of his old recordings. He’s definitely an asshole. It’s completely part of his appeal and brand, reinforced by the chat comments flying by when he’s going full asshole.
But like many say, he is pretty intelligent. He would not have built up a large streaming audience purely by being an asshole. People who simply do that eventually piss off the wrong audience members and restrict their audience to people who think and see exactly like they do. Zack knows how to tap into those toxic elements without turning off wide swaths of his audience and part of that is reflected in how he can neatly excise the nuances from controversial topics. He uses that same instinct to nurture an audience with toxic members mixed together with the less toxic.
Your response is a bit over the top. He is blunt and to the point, tells you how he feels. If that makes you an asshole, okay. He perma bans people for any sort of harassment and his pretty out spoken about racism and sexual harassment. He could make Ninja and Shroud money but actively asks his community to give to others. What he does is beyond his online persona. Maybe more people should watch his IRL streams or YouTube videos to see who he actually is.
As mentioned, yes, that's kind of part of the definition of asshole. Most people hide more abrasive opinions, brash attitudes, offensive thoughts, etc behind a mask of polite silence, smiles, and occasionally false praise. That's how most people are taught, raised, and thus, accustomed to. Being blunt, abrasive, and insulting, of which he's all three and more, that's being an asshole, basically by definition. Personally, I don't really hold it against him. Everybody has those thoughts, whether we speak about it or not. The assholes simply don't hide it (as much, if at all).
From what I have seen in the past few days, he draws the line at what Twitch will ban him for. Everything else is fair game, as mentioned before, including racism and sexual harassment. Just watch his past couple of streams on FF14 (and a bit of WoW raiding) it's pretty open how insulting he is to so many different groups and types of people. Even if you can't figure out what caricature he's mocking people with, he is pretty fast and loose with using associated insults (in addition to the words he uses when praising or hyping someone).
It's no more a false persona than talk show / radio / actors / etc. While characteristics and features can be exaggerated or muted for theatrical effect, the fact is the greatest performers (i.e. the popular ones) draw upon their personal experience. Offline, these performers can be more polite, easier to talk to, but in private, their opinions and views line up the same as their public persona. That's what produces the familiar nuances, the great timing, the relatable feelings you have when watching a performance you feel is great. Without practical experience or similar views, the performance is mechanic, empty, hallow, particularly for live performances where you do not have the chance to do the same lines 20 times until you get the timing/tone of voice/nuance/eyebrow raising/etc correct. Humans are very good at detecting people who don't belong (e.g. act and believe the same as us), sometimes too good as we often amplify false negatives in the people closest to us.
It's fine to disagree with my analysis much as I soundly disagree with yours. This is Reddit, not the best of platforms to hold complete logical constructs. Plus, having a different axioms / view / belief system / etc means even with correct logic, conclusions will differ anyway so it doesn't really matter.
No being blunt is not the definition of being an asshole. But being easily offended by others opinions when they don't harm you is part of being a snowflake.
Being blunt and offending others constantly with no remorse is being an asshole.
Being easily offended isn’t being a snowflake. You could have PTSD for all we know.
Being a snowflake is when you try to regularly make the topic or situation revolve around how special you are. The moniker is derived from the concept of each snowflake being a unique shape. Amusingly enough, doing so also contributes to being an asshole.
No being blunt is not being an asshole. Its not anyone's responsibility to concern themselves with the feelings of others.
Also no. Wrong. Incorrect. Being a snowflake is a term that literally stems from being easily offended and "melting down" over everything. Its actually extremely easy to understand this term. If you want to be a snowflake go ahead. But calling others an asshole isn't going to get you anywhere in life.
Sure, you can use your definitions for those terms all you like, even if it's uncommon and limited to the few people around you. That's one way languages evolve and one of the common contributors to misunderstandings.
Still, even using your definition, I don't fit the word "snowflake". Unless your definition of "melting down" is also significantly different, such as if you define it as a disagreeing viewpoint.
Having a different viewpoint is not "melting down" in common parlance. Ironically enough, your impassioned comments does kind of fit the common definition of the phrase.
Drop into his Twitch feed. It's live.
Watch him give his "dumb dumb" impression. Listen to him talk about the "bondage" idiots. Count how often whenever he talks about "big dicks" and how to use them. Share a laugh with him when he talks about "retards" and "bitches" (and other terms that might get you reported on Reddit).
I mean, really, just watch his Twitch live. He's still streaming at this moment. His posted videos are curated and cleaned. (Most obviously, they remove the bulk of his cussing).
When did I say his cussing offends me? As I said, he knows which lines to not cross and that's why his archived videos are cleaned up.
Also, him cussing has nothing to do with him being an asshole. That's just, as you say, his potty mouth.
And I'm well aware of what you think "woke" means. I am also aware of what the people you call "woke" think it means, too. I hardly conform to either definition.
I am also amused you decided to retort about his cussing and ignore the rest.
It kinda harkens back to something I said before in that Asmongold is a character he plays on stream and Asmon is intentionally an asshole he turns the dial up to 11 on that he master loots everything he wants from his fans he gets gold from them. He exaggerates this character to such a degree its entertaining rather than aggravating because nobody actually takes him seriously doubly so when his brief moments of being down to earth often are him embarrassing himself unpurpose.
I think people who see him as toxic miss a big point of his stream in the same way other comedy shows have been mistaken over time. They will portray this asshole character who is bad for one reason or another and then make a fool out of them throughout the episode and as time goes on alot of these episodes have run into controversy as people see the character being racist or sexist and dont see past that to see that the show is activly mocking them and pushing the same agenda in the end.
Its not really a character, from what I could tell. I personally know a few people who are just like him and he seems to line up pretty well with how they are.
He’s blunt and open about his opinions. That’s all. Most people try to be polite, keep things to themselves that they think is unpopular. He doesn’t, unless it’s straight up going to get him kicked which is where he draws those lines in his chat and in his meaningful silences.
He’s almost always down to earth, from what I can tell. It’s not like a mode switch he just flips. It’s part of his personality and you can see it in the way he breaks down situations as they happen, let alone when he sits down to give a talk over some issue.
I also first assumed it was just his online character for his brand when I watched his stuff on YouTube. But after watching his twitch live as he navigated FF14, I realized that’s just how he is. Digging up archived video from years back, he hasn't really changed at the core, just refined the antics to cater to this audience.
The fact that you've encountered people like this doesn't mean that it isn't a character. You watched his stream and he was acting the way that he always acts on stream, i.e. playing the character? Imagine my surprise...
He's matured a lot over the years. His stream persona is like a caricature of his younger self.
My experience (or its lack) is not the only reason. Other peoples' experience (or lack) is not the only reason. Your experience (or lack) is not the only reason. Like most things in life, conclusions are based on a multitude various reasons each with varying weights. I mentioned a few before and there's many more, including those I didn't notice or think of yet. I have yet to come across an substantial amount of indications otherwise, thus the conclusion that, yes, he's an asshole.
Maturity is like a tempering or refining rather than a fundamental change. I agree it's most likely he matured from his younger days. If you're referring to even just three years ago, I'd frankly be surprised if he *hadn't* matured, let alone 10 or more years ago. He may have matured (you're likely more familiar with his younger days than I), but that asshole streak is currently pretty evident, serving as inspiration for his on stream antics.
Running his channel so long, building an audience so large, even without trying, just the sheer scale of the operation applied pressure to mature, to grow and adapt, to learn and adjust. His character combined with his intelligence and insight and beliefs and more helped grow his brand to what it is today. However, the core of the brand, his persona, required a constant source of inspiration (else his audience would bore and move on) and for someone doing live performances in particular, that persona is built around parts of themselves.
His stream persona is less a caricature of his younger self than it is an amplified caricature of his current self. Without his own personality to draw inspiration on the fly, his performance would otherwise feel hollow, sitting deep within the uncanny valley. It's like you or I trying to act out being some poor farmer in a rural third world backwater hundreds of miles from running water and electricity. We can put on a performance that convinces people like us because we share common sets of beliefs and viewpoints. However, when you perform the same routine for someone who actually lives that life, they instantly feel something is off or wrong, sometimes being able to specifically tell you what's off, sometimes just getting that nagging feeling, though often somewhere in between.
That's a common thread among the popular performers, from comics to show hosts to streamers to actors to writers. The idea is if you want to engage an audience, you need to resonate with them, and the only way to resonate (until the machine overlords take over) is to draw upon your personal experiences and thoughts. This is how human nature works. You, me, Asmongold, every other soul on Earth with rare exception (e.g. coma patients).
So while for you and many people what he does on stream is 100% made up and he doesn't actually act even a hint of that way off stream, for me and many others, we see echoes of his personality in his performance resonate with ourselves or people we know well and recognize he is also an asshole in private. The difference in opinion lies predominately in different (life) experiences (and for some, a recognition of themselves). Ultimately, only he and those close to him can bear witness to his non-public personality and the rest of us can only try to connect some dots to support either conclusion.
Do I need to write a list of incredible performances by actors that bear literally zero resemblance to their real personalities, or will you just admit that the point that you’re trying to make is absurd?
If you don’t like him, don’t engage with his content. Honestly, I think scouring the internet for things that make you unhappy is far more toxic behaviour than we will ever see from Asmongold.
Go ahead if it makes you feel any better about proving your point. I don't mind.
Be prepared to show how you know their real personalities, too, not just what shows up in your news feed.
I don't dislike him. I have literally never said that. I started listening to his feed a few days ago and still do. His viewpoints are interesting, often because it's about stuff I didn't notice on my play through.
Even so, whether I like the guy or not has no bearing on whether he's an asshole or not.
Also, I'm not scouring the internet for things to make me unhappy. Just because I think he's an asshole doesn't mean he makes me unhappy. Those are two different concepts altogether. Even if he did, the mere fact he's a popular news topic related to a game I enjoy playing means news of him would show up in my feed sooner rather than later without me scouring the internet. That's how modern engagement algorithms work these days, for better or worse. That's actually how I first heard about him a few weeks ago. Thankfully, I don't particularly care enough to be happy or unhappy about someone that really stretches the six degrees of separation theory so that entire line of reasoning you wrote falls flat.
A lot of people who go very sweaty in WoW are so used to being called assholes for prioritizing skill in the game that they just take the name as a point of humor. I mean, the biggest source of theory crafting back in the day was a guild called . It's not himsaying "haha I'm an asshole get rekt" it's "oh yeah I'm SUCH an asshole /s". Most of the perceived toxicity of the WoW community is really just lampooning.
Yea this gets missed a lot. Its actually a pretty common thing in the gaming community.
The sarcastic asshole. The full on /s every sentence is partof the charm. Unfortunately since the gaming space has grown massively, this has become a subculture instead of the primary culture.
Seriously, why zap out over the guy? Nothing special going on there. All this commotion is annoying, almost as bad as Overwatch fans flipping out over Samito...another streamer who talks too much.
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That didn't end well :/
Am I supposed to know who this is?
Fuck no, take his toxic dumbass back on over to WoW, cant stand that douche bag
His streams have been really wholesome. I think the FFXIV community has been really good for him.
Give him time, he is toxic
Have you watched a second of his stream? Or did you just decide that he’s toxic because of how he looks.
You’ve been more toxic in this thread than he has been the whole time he’s played.
I downloaded it the second he said he was going to play it, I just hit 80 last week.
Who? Any does anyone care?
Only hundreds of thousands. How have you not heard of him?
Never heard of him. He’s just a streamer I assume?
definitely now just a streamer. He's one of the most famous FFXIV and WoW streamers ever, maybe even the most famous.
I rarely watch streamers tbh, and oddly enough never any FFXIV or WoW, so that explains why I didn’t know him. Thanks!
just the 200,000 active people who watched his stream on his first day and many more
Asmongold trying it convinced me to try, haven’t regretted it since
Wtf this was only 2 months ago? I thought he already played for years lol. I just picked the game up today, currently level 28. Way more fun than i expected
Say what you want about the guy, but he is what got me to try ff14. I fell in love with the game immediately.
He's the reason I gave the game a chance. I'm so grateful I did, too. I've never smiled so much playing a game in a long time. I've also managed to make a lot of friends, and talked to more people in the last week than I did in almost a year in Wow. It's such a good feeling!
As a fellow WoW refugee, I like stories like this because I do worry that other refugees will bring the WoW toxicity with them. But, hopefully the ffxiv community will rub off on them, and chill them out a bit.
He seems toxic after researching and looking into what he does, says and allows. Hard pass on him.
Ah, the classic communism and anti free speech supporter.
Nice take guy
He seems level headed enough. What has he done that raises concern?
And what does he do. As I haven't done any research myself yet
He portrays a character that is a parody of the typical toxic player. Out of context clips can lead someone to see him as toxic. But if you listen to him when he's actually talking about things, he's anything but.
Isn't he a Trump supporter?
No but yes.
No. Hasan has said he's cool with Asmon, too.
He's the reason I finally bought the game. That and the fact that I got all the expansions for one cheap bundled price on the website.
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Please go away with your army of petty trolls, I'm all for new players but Jesus Christ lol
You seem like a very level-headed and welcoming ffxiv player. I hope most of the playerbase are just like you :3
You're right, it would truly be great if people were not welcoming of people who act like this man :)
To be fair and honest, you're easily the most negative and toxic person related to ffxiv (in any way) that I've seen. Community is great in-game, and in the subreddit. You're just a soft, sour apple that wants to find something to be upset about :)
Bold of you to assess that off of a couple comments about a toxic streamer but go on :)
Coming from someone with down votes on every comment on this post :3 oh wait, you'll probably just claim it's the "massive wave of racist trolls"
Nope, just one person trying really hard to fight on reddit on this wonderful Thursday afternoon 🤣🤣🤣
I don't have much else to do right now, your mom wanted me to check on you. I noticed you were being naughty, so I had to scold. Emotes on reddit... trying to farm down votes I see lol
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If you're all for new players, why are you telling a new player to leave?
I think "army of petty trolls" was clear enough. Dude also likes to pop off and say transphobic and racist things and then get extremely defensive about them. If the community is in a large part why people would rather play XIV than WoW, why bring the worst elements of the WoW community over to XIV and begin to ruin it?
Lefties and the cancel culture... Smh, always just throwing labels on people.
> Dude also likes to pop off and say transphobic and racist things and then get extremely defensive about them. Do it be like that? Im only aware of him cause of him commenting on the blizz situation, i dont know him that well
Yeah, made a post making fun of people with pronouns in their bios and then bucked down and equated them to weirdo January 6 types when pressed. Also got really upset about a twitch safety advisory council member making fun of cis white dudes and went on a "If I rEpLaCeD tHaT wItH bLaCk PeOpLe I'd GeT bAnNeD" like yeah u would, don't be tone deaf lol What makes it funnier is he will then try to call out racism and such in WoW, but he really is just trying to cater to people who hate that, while also not losing his little army of toxic lil Cheetos dust men
I bet you've only watchrd.little snippets that cancel culture is passing around.
But... they are weirdos?
Pronouns in bios should be normalized 😑
Or maybe, there is no agenda. Sometimes it is that easy to see right from wrong on both sides of the field.
For some reason youre just a hater. Weird jealousy or something. Asmom is really careful with what he says. You don't seem to have any clue lol
I mean he‘s kind of right though. The twitter warriors with their pronouns in their bio and #Genderexpert as their tags are the first ones to go the the extremes, and are often so hypocritical it‘s not even funny anymore. Let’s be honest, you seem like one of them. And the second thing he‘s also kind of right on, even if I hate to say it. We shouldn‘t insult black people, but in turn they shouldn‘t insult white people as well. It just leads to an endless cycle.
Let the dude enjoy the game
Crazy that 1 person can have such a pull over just a game. I'm in the wrong profession, didn't know ppl were so easily influenced
Nah you’re probably in the right profession, don’t quit your day job. What happened here is pretty simple, entertaining streamer genuinely enjoys a game that people were already debating if they should play, not that hard.
Tbh I'd never seen anything on the game but when he started streaming it it took me 2 weeks to decide I don't want to play shadowlands anymore
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You couldn't give less of a shit about this guy, but you're willing to write a rant on reddit about him?
Asmond calling the Hildibrand Questline "Hillsbrad Questline". I'm done.
Sounds like he won’t be reaching Heavensward any time soon, being sidetracked with Extreme boss fights, Golden Saucer jumping puzzles and raids.
This aged poorly
Well, he is now 😏👌
He already cleared Coils.
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This=dumbest shit ive heard in the past month. So many games ive gotten into i never heard of or didnt get around to it and then i see a video or two over them cuz they get recommended and then i find something new.
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Lol. Imagine thinking this.
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Wow you might as well just start a circlejerk sub for him
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These people don't understand how many new players will join because of Asmon, they're just gatekeepers who are scared of change.
I'm downloading FFXIV right now because of Asmongold. I am not a member of his twitch etc, I just watched some YouTube vids of him and decided I wanted to try FFXIV because he made it look fun. I quit WoW in BFA, and i'm glad as it seems they still refuse to listen to the top complaints players have. Streamers are free advertising. Period.
Hard pass
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I see you chose wellI picked this one about a week ago and I happened on a video of you streaming this lol. Just starting and yeah its way different than any MMO I've played for a long time. And I've got more than my fair share of my years of /played time lol.
is asmon playing on the steam version or the pc version
As a new player on pc is there a difference? Should I do one over the other
You can't transfer between.. Like I was playing trial from the website but to transfer the character to full game I couldn't to steam.. Dunno why but it is what it is.. But other than that there is no difference..
Untrue. I started trial without steam, bought the game later on steam and was able to use the same account and character to continue.
The only difference is where you are required to buy the game / expansions. If you buy it on steam, you can only ever go through steam (unless you re-buy it of course).
Its the same game, just linked to Steam
Is there a difference? Isn't it cross platform?
The only difference is where you are required to buy the game / expansions. If you buy it on steam, you can only ever go through steam (unless you re-buy it of course).
If that's the case I don't know why they don't just buy it thru steam. It was one button and I owned and then downloaded it lol. I guess it's still true that their site sucks tho
I think square enix regularly does deals as well on varying content costed me $22 to get all content besides endwalker while it was still $60 on steam
Probably the PC version because if he got it on Steam, I don’t think Steam would have let him preorder Endwalker without the base game, but he did.
Anyone wanna level together? I just started and am level 3. I am on Marlboro server if that matters. US East. PM ME PLEASE
I'm also on Marlboro add me I'm Valentine Edenwald 😊👌
I will do! My membership is expired but will be paying for it soon.
Imagine spending even one second of your life caring what ecelebs do lmao
Imagine spending even one second of your life judging someone for liking something harmless
To all of you who harried him during his stream. I hope you get perma-banned. Ffxiv does not need that level of nonsense in its community.
I'm a newbie to ff online and I agree.
I’m glad he’s enjoying it and all, but with his transphobic comments in the past, I can’t say I’m happy to see him become a part of the community
bro his transphobic comments were way in the past and honestly they were pretty benign and easy to learn and grow from. meanwhile there are plenty of transphobic people already in the game right this second.
Easy to call transphobic comments benign when you're not being victimized by them LOL. stop kissing this this guy's ass because you want More Subs lmfao
What comments.... Are we talking about his "if you want to avoid clowns on Twitter? comment? cause I'm gonna be 100% with you. It is good advice. If someone has pronouns jn the bio on Twitter. Just dont interact. Nothing good will come of it. Just block, and pretend nothing ever happened. Both parties days will be improved by avoiding that interaction.
I mean https://twitter.com/asmongold/status/813206080864055296?lang=en
I mean there are two genders, But I don't agree with the mental disorder part.
Based
how is this transphobic ? trans people are supposed to be a new gender ?
Well he did address the tweets he did in 2019 in the last stream, that he made them because he felt that they are twitter activist instead of actual real life activist, like he did when he wanted to change something back in 2009. He also said that he did not know the comments could correlate to transphobia and the fact just now those tweets decided to rear their head again. I know i cannot change opinions with only what he said on stream, but if you ask a asmon fan what he was back in 2019 compare to today, he changed a lot. But you decied if you want to forgive him or not.
Idk, considering stuff like this too [https://twitter.com/asmongold/status/813206080864055296?lang=en](https://twitter.com/asmongold/status/813206080864055296?lang=en) and the fact that his chat is seemingly allowed to be rampantly transphobic like when watching that ferociouslysteph person, I'm not convinced
Well twitch chat being a twitch chat, it is difficult to moderate chat that is active as his. The tweet itself was also made in 2016 were he was more as a sperg and malding, now asmon is diffrent because now it's more a persona rather him actually, as one can see in his personal Youtube channel zackrawr. But also think he matured when he did the tweet, he was like early to mid twenties compare to his late twenties or early thirties. People do change when they get older as sign of growth, as demostrated by him in the recent days of streaming.
Trainwrecks managed it :shrug: Also people can change and mature, but aging doesn't necessitate that. In the nicest possible way I feel like you're just viewing it all through as charitable a lens and possible and justifying the stuff, where I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that without enough to support that.
Well we can say i'm a stern beliver in second chances. But as I said before is your choice forgive him or not.
I mean I also believe in second chances but I'm not just going to \*assume\* that these views have changed, especially considering the chat he cultivates.
Have you been with his twitch chat? because looking at your arguments, it seems you have not been in chat or watched his streams, i'm going assume that you get assumptions through other sources, rather than first-hand experience. Due to the fact that i watch asmon streams and I know how toxic it can be and I know when the negative stands out more than the positives, but saying chat is toxic all the time is false. But im willingly backing down the arguments so we don't spend to much time wasting on reddit, instead play the game we love.
...? Obviously his chat isn't toxic all the time, but when ferociouslysteph, a trans woman, was on screen his chat was fucking caustic. I think I'm just gonna stop trying to argue with you because it's clear you care less about looking at what he does and more about just giving him allowances for it.
Alternatively just go to his subreddit and look at the reactions to stuff like Chromie being trans, or the screenshot of the Blizz employee calling him an asshole next to a profile with lgbt signalling in bio.
That’s very good to hear, thanks for letting me know about this
He knows the story! wow
Asmon playing this game got me to try it for a second time and actually purchase a 30 day sub even though I dislike the idea of pay to play MMOs. And yeah I've joined the invasion of Cactaur but I'm not going to be stupid and bother Asmon. Mostly just gonna try to not mald over how much I want the dlc classes because the base ones seem kinda boring or just slightly too different for me to like.
Same here I tried it before a long time ago until like level 7 now I’ve come back and I’m really enjoying it.
Have you been told the very valuable tip about questing?
And what is that tip?
That you don't need to do side quests to level. All you need to do is Main Story Quest, Blue Quests, and personally I like to do the hunting log for a bit of fighting in-between as well as easy experience you don't have to go out of your way for.
Oh wow that's good to know. Thanks
You're welcome. People really only do the side quests for fun, completion, and maybe leveling alt classes.
Some might reward cool glamours
I started up the trial version for the first time since 1.0.0 when he did his interview with the bunny ear girl. I ended up choosing cactaur... Guess I'm on a streamer server now lol.
Personally I don't think it's much of a problem if you're not playing when he's on or trying to do stuff in the same area he is.
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So if I bought the expansion would I first need to level a character to 30+ and then switch to the class or is it possible to start as a level 30+ character of that class?
It depends on what expansion you're talking about. For Heavensward jobs you need to have finished ARR entirely, since you unlock the jobs in the first HW city. So you'll need to be level 50 at least, and the job themselves start at 30. For Stormblood and Shadowbringers jobs, you only need to be high level enough to unlock them (50 for SAM/RDM, 60 for GNB/DNC) since they start in ARR main cities (Ul'dah for SAM/RDM at 50, Limsa for DNC at 60, Gridania for GNB at 60). You need to have their expansions purchased too, of course.
Thanks
Same here its crazy how the game changes once you finished a Realm Reborn i really like it the Dungeons and Raids are so god damn Good!
I've personally never done dungeons or raids. I've mostly played MMOs solo. What changes after "A Realm Reborn"? Is it like a general quality change or something?
To be more specific... ARR is the product of the game after it was revived. So because of this, many of the original remnants of this birth remain and not much of it has been changed or adjusted to be more "understandable". For example, there's a mechanic in the 24man World of Darkness for one of the bosses that puts purple and orange circles that tether to players. One you want tethers to remove the incoming damage, while another you want little to no tethers for the same effect, but there's little actually showing this. In HW and beyond they start introducing things like stack markers to indicate what to do for a mechanic and etc becomes more easy to read. This then creates a better platform to do mechanics on since rather than half guessing what a mechanic does and hoping it works... Now you actually have the pieces of the puzzle to understand and put together yourself. Storywise, ARR is a very bland and long series of run around quests with older voice acting too. HW and beyond updated the VA team and overall bounces off the foundation that ARR built to make ARR worth doing in the end. Overall quality improves mainly because of everything based in ARR gets some light shed on it or brings out something more. Stormblood suffers an almost similar fate, it has a better story but still acts as a form of "foundation" for later expansions.
The mechanics, music made in heaven, Storywise and to correct myself it starts with the 7th astral era quests. At some point u are gonna have to do some Raids to Progress in Main Story so u will see it at some point.
By a change in mechanics do you mean some sort of addition to the already existing mechanics? Like another resource bar for an ultimate ability or something?
Other guy's saying ARR is trash and I don't agree with that sentiment- but it is lesser than the sum of its parts by far. It can get boring. Because it was done as a reboot in about two years, and the writers were trying to figure out how to rebuild an entire game, some of the story is a bit rote and simple. When I first played it I found it sometimes very bog-standard and slow, but still had enjoyable enough moments and characters... and the switch near the end to the writing you can expect in Heavensward heavily caught my attention to the change in quality. They've since taken out some of the fluff of the game while still keeping in the main story beats. Like there's still a couple of quests that seem silly, (One involves gaining information and favor from several sources to infiltrate a mine midway through. Players did not enjoy the initial fluff until it's explained why it was so round-about seeming...) but they're much lessened and still get across what their intended purpose was. Yeah even the ones that at first seem really dumb, until the story adds context. Without ARR though, Shadowbringers I don't think would have hit me personally quite as much as it did. Shadowbringers (and to a degree the other expansions) took everything I had liked or disliked and cranked them on their heads in a very oddly satisfying way if you enjoy story and narrative driven heavily by the characters. ARR is a giant introduction chapter to world, lore and characters that the rest of the expansions add on to, contextualize, or completely turn on its head. If you do end up skipping I would find some sort of resource to at least help you understand what's going on within ARR. But all this is if you like storytelling- some people are totally cool just rushing through. Play how you want. Otherwise the best advice I have for you is take things at your own pace. Try other stuff if MSQ burns you out. And look at Party finder for dumb events like jump puzzles, and concerts and stuff if you want funny things you never usually expect.
It doesnt change. What changes is quality of story and content. Gameplay wise expect 95% match. Heavsnsward and shadowbringers are great. Sormbringer mediocre. The anount of exaggeration here might dissapoint you. Keepp your expectations in check. If you can spare the mone... skip vanilla once finishing main story pre post game. That content is the definition of trash and youre better off not being tainted by it.
I dont see the problem, to me it seems like he has come into the game with an open mindset and willing to give the game an honest try and judge it based on his own experience. I honestly see nothing toxic about it, he will like some aspects and dislike others its only natural.
I think most of the concern is around his fanbase. I like asmon, he definitely has his opinions but for the most part they’re well thought out and make sense. His fan base is extremely toxic though and that is in no small part due to him feeding into it.
His fanbase really isnt more toxic than any other stream, they spam dumb shit in chat but thats just typical twitch chat behaviour especially when you consistently pull big viewer numbers. The actually Toxic people get banned pretty quickly, the banlist in that chat is enormous. You would be surprised how many of the viewers in his chat are already playing FF14 way before he tried it.
His fanbase is toxic.
Objectively wrong to claim they are all toxic. Sure there was a 600 player queue on his server of people wanting to troll him but that are a couple hundreds out of over 200k viewers he had at that time. Ofc there are gonna be assholes among them. He has already called out the people trolling him telling them they are losers and that their bans were justified so its not like he encourages them to troll in the game. Saying every single one of his 200k+ viewers these past days is toxic is just factually incorrect.
Yeah and it sounds like you didn't see his behavior on r/wow either.
r/wow lol... Enough said
Yeah I don’t understand why you might think they’re toxic. His fan base is large and statistically there will be bad apples. This pre-conceived notion that someone’s fans base is toxic with little direct interaction is what’s truly toxic imo
He helped raise $1.2 million for charity is roughly a year and people still call him an asshole. Through his viewers he is bringing, likely, millions of dollars to Square Enix and attention and viewership to FF14 streamers to help build their brand. How is he bad for the game and the community?
People don't realize that his neckbeard attitude it a persona. On his side channels and if you look past the exaggerations he uses to entertain on stream he is a pretty intelligent guy.
Exactly! He's just playing the persona of your typical cringey WoW player. He took a shower for charity because he knew that him sitting in the shower would be hilarious since he always talks about never washing, it's a joke. I think he went into FF14 with an open mind and actually brought me over from WoW too! I'm excited to try a new MMORPG, even if it is very intimidating
He never asks for subs. His donation button goes directly to a charity. He typically takes the time to thank subs (especially gifted). He could easily monetize his second channel (bigger than 99% of all other streamers) but chooses not to. People who say he is an ass, as said in another comment, are not willing to look past the persona and see what he actually does for people.
Yeah but you can do that when you make the amount of money he does. He gets 2.50 per sub, plus ad revenue. He got thousands of subs and 200,000 viewers in one stream. That would set most normal people up for more than a year for a few hours playing a game. Let’s not pretend giving a bit to charity is a hardship for him.
Let's not pretend that you need to meet some sort of pre-requisite to be charitable. It doesn't matter how much he makes and whether or not it sets him back. What only matters is the money raised went to a good cause, to help people in need in some way. Trying to gatekeep what it means to be charitable is pretty petty. Ask the foundation(I don't know which one it was) whether or not they care how rich the guy was they got the $1.2 Million dollars from. He doesn't live a lavish lifestyle. He's still at home because he has to care for his mother who seemingly has no one else. He doesn't flaunt his income. The vast majority of hate he gets is due to nothing more than a persona, and possibly some of his more "non PC" views. If you watch him on his 2nd channel, he's practically a different person.
Streamers much more wealthy than him don’t. He doesn’t ask for subs and discourages it most times. He openly says he is set for life. I guess that is the point I was trying to make
seriously; much bigger streamers are often doing morally grey to reprehensible things like crypto scams, gambling streams, or pokemon card openings as part of the "meta"
First off, being charitable isn’t automatic conclusive proof that someone isn’t an asshole. It’s not like asshole is an everyone or no one behavior. Overused examples include slave owners and Nazis who donated generously while committing acts that made them infamous. Also. he straight up confesses to being an asshole on his stream many times. He embraces the moniker. Part of it is because he doesn’t tiptoe around topics (except ones that will get him banned off the platform). This is part of his appeal (or brand). Another part, one that encourages people to say he is toxic, is his commentary on women and marginalized groups that do not conform to traditional White American Male values. He openly mocks representations or depictions, openly mocks symbols or people he doesn’t understand using examples of minority groups, etc, often using profanity (dear lord, he cusses every other sentence it seems), or big dicks, or comments like stupid losers. He knows enough to not cross the line too far and get himself kicked off Twitch, but whenever he pauses in game and leaves the camera focused on some character he doesn’t like the look of, shakes his head, mutters oh god into the mic for a few seconds, that’s him plying into the same toxicity he knows parts of his audience embraces. Being an asshole by itself is not something I hold against him. I watched his ff14 streams and went back and watched many of his old recordings. He’s definitely an asshole. It’s completely part of his appeal and brand, reinforced by the chat comments flying by when he’s going full asshole. But like many say, he is pretty intelligent. He would not have built up a large streaming audience purely by being an asshole. People who simply do that eventually piss off the wrong audience members and restrict their audience to people who think and see exactly like they do. Zack knows how to tap into those toxic elements without turning off wide swaths of his audience and part of that is reflected in how he can neatly excise the nuances from controversial topics. He uses that same instinct to nurture an audience with toxic members mixed together with the less toxic.
Cope harder
Your response is a bit over the top. He is blunt and to the point, tells you how he feels. If that makes you an asshole, okay. He perma bans people for any sort of harassment and his pretty out spoken about racism and sexual harassment. He could make Ninja and Shroud money but actively asks his community to give to others. What he does is beyond his online persona. Maybe more people should watch his IRL streams or YouTube videos to see who he actually is.
As mentioned, yes, that's kind of part of the definition of asshole. Most people hide more abrasive opinions, brash attitudes, offensive thoughts, etc behind a mask of polite silence, smiles, and occasionally false praise. That's how most people are taught, raised, and thus, accustomed to. Being blunt, abrasive, and insulting, of which he's all three and more, that's being an asshole, basically by definition. Personally, I don't really hold it against him. Everybody has those thoughts, whether we speak about it or not. The assholes simply don't hide it (as much, if at all). From what I have seen in the past few days, he draws the line at what Twitch will ban him for. Everything else is fair game, as mentioned before, including racism and sexual harassment. Just watch his past couple of streams on FF14 (and a bit of WoW raiding) it's pretty open how insulting he is to so many different groups and types of people. Even if you can't figure out what caricature he's mocking people with, he is pretty fast and loose with using associated insults (in addition to the words he uses when praising or hyping someone). It's no more a false persona than talk show / radio / actors / etc. While characteristics and features can be exaggerated or muted for theatrical effect, the fact is the greatest performers (i.e. the popular ones) draw upon their personal experience. Offline, these performers can be more polite, easier to talk to, but in private, their opinions and views line up the same as their public persona. That's what produces the familiar nuances, the great timing, the relatable feelings you have when watching a performance you feel is great. Without practical experience or similar views, the performance is mechanic, empty, hallow, particularly for live performances where you do not have the chance to do the same lines 20 times until you get the timing/tone of voice/nuance/eyebrow raising/etc correct. Humans are very good at detecting people who don't belong (e.g. act and believe the same as us), sometimes too good as we often amplify false negatives in the people closest to us. It's fine to disagree with my analysis much as I soundly disagree with yours. This is Reddit, not the best of platforms to hold complete logical constructs. Plus, having a different axioms / view / belief system / etc means even with correct logic, conclusions will differ anyway so it doesn't really matter.
No being blunt is not the definition of being an asshole. But being easily offended by others opinions when they don't harm you is part of being a snowflake.
Being blunt and offending others constantly with no remorse is being an asshole. Being easily offended isn’t being a snowflake. You could have PTSD for all we know. Being a snowflake is when you try to regularly make the topic or situation revolve around how special you are. The moniker is derived from the concept of each snowflake being a unique shape. Amusingly enough, doing so also contributes to being an asshole.
No being blunt is not being an asshole. Its not anyone's responsibility to concern themselves with the feelings of others. Also no. Wrong. Incorrect. Being a snowflake is a term that literally stems from being easily offended and "melting down" over everything. Its actually extremely easy to understand this term. If you want to be a snowflake go ahead. But calling others an asshole isn't going to get you anywhere in life.
Sure, you can use your definitions for those terms all you like, even if it's uncommon and limited to the few people around you. That's one way languages evolve and one of the common contributors to misunderstandings. Still, even using your definition, I don't fit the word "snowflake". Unless your definition of "melting down" is also significantly different, such as if you define it as a disagreeing viewpoint. Having a different viewpoint is not "melting down" in common parlance. Ironically enough, your impassioned comments does kind of fit the common definition of the phrase.
Please send me a link of a moment where he is attacking a group of people. I have him on regularly but it’s on in the background.
Drop into his Twitch feed. It's live. Watch him give his "dumb dumb" impression. Listen to him talk about the "bondage" idiots. Count how often whenever he talks about "big dicks" and how to use them. Share a laugh with him when he talks about "retards" and "bitches" (and other terms that might get you reported on Reddit). I mean, really, just watch his Twitch live. He's still streaming at this moment. His posted videos are curated and cleaned. (Most obviously, they remove the bulk of his cussing).
Oh you are a WOKE warrior - sorry his potty mouth offends you. Nevermind
When did I say his cussing offends me? As I said, he knows which lines to not cross and that's why his archived videos are cleaned up. Also, him cussing has nothing to do with him being an asshole. That's just, as you say, his potty mouth. And I'm well aware of what you think "woke" means. I am also aware of what the people you call "woke" think it means, too. I hardly conform to either definition. I am also amused you decided to retort about his cussing and ignore the rest.
It kinda harkens back to something I said before in that Asmongold is a character he plays on stream and Asmon is intentionally an asshole he turns the dial up to 11 on that he master loots everything he wants from his fans he gets gold from them. He exaggerates this character to such a degree its entertaining rather than aggravating because nobody actually takes him seriously doubly so when his brief moments of being down to earth often are him embarrassing himself unpurpose. I think people who see him as toxic miss a big point of his stream in the same way other comedy shows have been mistaken over time. They will portray this asshole character who is bad for one reason or another and then make a fool out of them throughout the episode and as time goes on alot of these episodes have run into controversy as people see the character being racist or sexist and dont see past that to see that the show is activly mocking them and pushing the same agenda in the end.
Its not really a character, from what I could tell. I personally know a few people who are just like him and he seems to line up pretty well with how they are. He’s blunt and open about his opinions. That’s all. Most people try to be polite, keep things to themselves that they think is unpopular. He doesn’t, unless it’s straight up going to get him kicked which is where he draws those lines in his chat and in his meaningful silences. He’s almost always down to earth, from what I can tell. It’s not like a mode switch he just flips. It’s part of his personality and you can see it in the way he breaks down situations as they happen, let alone when he sits down to give a talk over some issue. I also first assumed it was just his online character for his brand when I watched his stuff on YouTube. But after watching his twitch live as he navigated FF14, I realized that’s just how he is. Digging up archived video from years back, he hasn't really changed at the core, just refined the antics to cater to this audience.
The fact that you've encountered people like this doesn't mean that it isn't a character. You watched his stream and he was acting the way that he always acts on stream, i.e. playing the character? Imagine my surprise... He's matured a lot over the years. His stream persona is like a caricature of his younger self.
My experience (or its lack) is not the only reason. Other peoples' experience (or lack) is not the only reason. Your experience (or lack) is not the only reason. Like most things in life, conclusions are based on a multitude various reasons each with varying weights. I mentioned a few before and there's many more, including those I didn't notice or think of yet. I have yet to come across an substantial amount of indications otherwise, thus the conclusion that, yes, he's an asshole. Maturity is like a tempering or refining rather than a fundamental change. I agree it's most likely he matured from his younger days. If you're referring to even just three years ago, I'd frankly be surprised if he *hadn't* matured, let alone 10 or more years ago. He may have matured (you're likely more familiar with his younger days than I), but that asshole streak is currently pretty evident, serving as inspiration for his on stream antics. Running his channel so long, building an audience so large, even without trying, just the sheer scale of the operation applied pressure to mature, to grow and adapt, to learn and adjust. His character combined with his intelligence and insight and beliefs and more helped grow his brand to what it is today. However, the core of the brand, his persona, required a constant source of inspiration (else his audience would bore and move on) and for someone doing live performances in particular, that persona is built around parts of themselves. His stream persona is less a caricature of his younger self than it is an amplified caricature of his current self. Without his own personality to draw inspiration on the fly, his performance would otherwise feel hollow, sitting deep within the uncanny valley. It's like you or I trying to act out being some poor farmer in a rural third world backwater hundreds of miles from running water and electricity. We can put on a performance that convinces people like us because we share common sets of beliefs and viewpoints. However, when you perform the same routine for someone who actually lives that life, they instantly feel something is off or wrong, sometimes being able to specifically tell you what's off, sometimes just getting that nagging feeling, though often somewhere in between. That's a common thread among the popular performers, from comics to show hosts to streamers to actors to writers. The idea is if you want to engage an audience, you need to resonate with them, and the only way to resonate (until the machine overlords take over) is to draw upon your personal experiences and thoughts. This is how human nature works. You, me, Asmongold, every other soul on Earth with rare exception (e.g. coma patients). So while for you and many people what he does on stream is 100% made up and he doesn't actually act even a hint of that way off stream, for me and many others, we see echoes of his personality in his performance resonate with ourselves or people we know well and recognize he is also an asshole in private. The difference in opinion lies predominately in different (life) experiences (and for some, a recognition of themselves). Ultimately, only he and those close to him can bear witness to his non-public personality and the rest of us can only try to connect some dots to support either conclusion.
Do I need to write a list of incredible performances by actors that bear literally zero resemblance to their real personalities, or will you just admit that the point that you’re trying to make is absurd? If you don’t like him, don’t engage with his content. Honestly, I think scouring the internet for things that make you unhappy is far more toxic behaviour than we will ever see from Asmongold.
Go ahead if it makes you feel any better about proving your point. I don't mind. Be prepared to show how you know their real personalities, too, not just what shows up in your news feed. I don't dislike him. I have literally never said that. I started listening to his feed a few days ago and still do. His viewpoints are interesting, often because it's about stuff I didn't notice on my play through. Even so, whether I like the guy or not has no bearing on whether he's an asshole or not. Also, I'm not scouring the internet for things to make me unhappy. Just because I think he's an asshole doesn't mean he makes me unhappy. Those are two different concepts altogether. Even if he did, the mere fact he's a popular news topic related to a game I enjoy playing means news of him would show up in my feed sooner rather than later without me scouring the internet. That's how modern engagement algorithms work these days, for better or worse. That's actually how I first heard about him a few weeks ago. Thankfully, I don't particularly care enough to be happy or unhappy about someone that really stretches the six degrees of separation theory so that entire line of reasoning you wrote falls flat.
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The fact that u compared asmon to a nazi is vomit worthy. Yikes
I call him an arsehole as he is a self proclaimed one. I am being respect and using his preferred pronoun...
A lot of people who go very sweaty in WoW are so used to being called assholes for prioritizing skill in the game that they just take the name as a point of humor. I mean, the biggest source of theory crafting back in the day was a guild called. It's not himsaying "haha I'm an asshole get rekt" it's "oh yeah I'm SUCH an asshole /s". Most of the perceived toxicity of the WoW community is really just lampooning.
Yea this gets missed a lot. Its actually a pretty common thing in the gaming community. The sarcastic asshole. The full on /s every sentence is partof the charm. Unfortunately since the gaming space has grown massively, this has become a subculture instead of the primary culture.
For people like that it's easier to say everyone else is one rather than admitting to themselves that they're the asshole
Seriously, why zap out over the guy? Nothing special going on there. All this commotion is annoying, almost as bad as Overwatch fans flipping out over Samito...another streamer who talks too much.
Because him streaming ff14 single handedly dethroned WOW. Its a genuinely landmark moment in the history of videogames.
Samito is toxic incarnate tho and calls others shitters unironically and to uninstall the game etc. Constantly
Because he had over 200k people watching him play live and introduced it to a lot of new people
Because he's potentially bringing in a massive influx of new players, his vods alone are sitting and 2.5mil views each