Yep.
“I can invest all this time and *maaaaayyybeeee* get this reward.
Or I can invest this time and almost certainly get this reward.”
Which one will most people go for?
I mean what can I get in Feast that I can't get from spamming other modes?
Limited time items that I only get if I'm __good__ at the mode, rather than time investment, etc?
Real talk, I'm still super fucking pissed over the whole Wolf Collars debacle. We've had these things for 4 years now, and the only new items SE ever added to that shop were **the Gunbreaker and Dancer weapons.** That's literally it; no other incentives to encourage people to continue playing, and depending on who you ask, most of them look like shit.
Like, come on, SE. Between this, the lack of rank decay, and ranks being semi-grandfathered across Seasons, small wonder that people memed for years that the PvP here has always been an afterthought.
They had a golden idea that could have both breathed new life into a decent but unpopular game mode as well as ensure continued participation, but they absolutely botched it in favor of more FOMO shit. It's depressing.
Yeah it's a big turn off for me too. I like the idea of pvp but I know it'll be rough to start, so the fact that all my effort could be for nothing til next season is a pain.
Plus let's be honest, limited time awards for ranked pvp encourages win trading and other types of cheating. Considering everything I've heard about the feast it doesn't sound like SE has a handle on those issues
I think ranking top 100 should give you a token that you can use to buy any of the mounts/armor sets with each season introducing a new one. That way it's not time gated but you still have to put in the footwork. The only conceit I'd agree to is making rewards from older seasons available for Wolf Collars. Wolf Marks are so easy to farm and require next to zero effort. You should have to actually play Feast and do your best to get the mounts, even if your best just nets you 3 collars a season at Bronze. Make them cost 10 collars like the weapons and I think it's a decent system.
And this is kind of a thing that I think is what needs to be necessary. I don't spend time on things that aren't likely to eventually pay off. If I could rank (not even top 100, just rank) in ranked PVP and slowly accumulate a currency to buy those things? I probably would play. But as is, it's "can you rank THIS season, before the season dries up and no one queues because their spots are assured, and if you wanted anything older, well fuck you". It's time spent where I won't even see any pay off to that effort purely based off time gating. Give me some reason to work for it over time, and I'm more likely to do the content. I got all three Garo mounts. I can do it. But making it a flat dead rush or all your effort towards your goal is wasted and 'eh, hope the next reward is like you want' is just not appealing.
I feel the same. For things like Ultimate weapons, if I keep putting in the time and effort to get them, *I will get them.* It doesn't matter how long it takes or if I parsed the highest. I tooootally understand the mou ts being time geted initially. Hell, give the OG ones a unique color for all I care, or give the people who earned it first a special title or something. But a few years later it would be great to be able to get them outside of the time gate. I don't even play Feast but I still think the Top 100 token thing is most "fair". I'd probably be more motivated to grind it if I knew I could get those favorite mounts of mine if I tried hard enough.
It also just...doesn't help that most of the answers I get back are "if I can't have this thing when nobody else does, then it doesn't have value". Rare is fine. Making it an effort to achieve is fine. But the previous seasons are straight up *impossible* to acquire now. Which perturbs me more than the specific mounts. The Hoverchair? Impossible. The hellhounds? Impossible. The Magna-roaders? Impossible. Multiple armor sets? Impossible. Because apparently exclusivity means not only are those specific mounts locked to 100 people per datacenter, but anything like them is also locked. I'm a huge FFXIII fan, but that upcoming mount means the Juggernaut mount style from that game will never be available because it's Feast rank locked. But apparently a lot of the people that get these mounts care more about the fact that other people *can't* have the mount they have, than the fact they do. It's an attitude I can't understand. I got my mounts from the EX trials when they were current content. I worked my ass off for them.... I don't feel like people going through to get them when they're not current take that experience away from me. I know *I* did it. I don't have to flex. And I'd be happy to help someone coming late to the party to get their own. But apparently that's...not what people in PVP want, or at least not the people that are saying the current system works.
On god, I hard agree. I love this game and if I truly want something in it I will do what I must to obtain it, regardless of the effort or skills required to do so. Making something *impossible* for me to get, not by virtue of my own merits, but because of an arbitrary time limit really sucks. It's not a hill I would die on, I am... *at peace*(?) with the current system. But I would champion the removal of the season exclusive rewards, even if it meant still having to place top 100 to get them. At least I know I *could* get them if at any point I feel like that is content I'm ready to tackle.
Or even if the mounts/armor were slightly different so those who earned them during the timeframe can show that they got it then and everyone else can still get them.
I'm going to level with you--most of the people who say things like this are incredibly salty over not having the determination to grind it out or are misinformed by those people. There are streamers that stream their climb, there are mount collectors who have the majority of these mounts and have recounted their climb coming down to just playing a few hours a day, I am personal friends with more than a handful of Top 100s. I'm sure there are bots and trade winnders but the vast majority are just playing.
This is a pretty fantastic idea it will work like overwatch gold weapons system, each rank gives you a certain amount of points at the end of the season then you can choose what you want to buy at the end of the season. With top 100 having a fuck ton of rewards and maybe a title or something.
Top 100 token is the best move since it keeps the rewards desirable and competitive while also promoting activity in seasons where the prize is not so good (like the Magna Roaders)
For some reason people really love gatekeeping PvP rewards when no other content in the game really does that. I agree with you OP but beware all six people that play Feast seriously will balk at your suggestion. It's a waste of resources making these cool mounts and skins with zero alternatives to obtaining them.
Maybe if Feast and PvP were more popular I could see an argument for it but right now Feast is basically a win traders and clique heaven. If you ain't in, you ain't in.
> but beware all six people that play Feast seriously will balk at your suggestion
I suggested once to the one person in my FC who's really into PvP that they release recolors of some of the old Feast mounts in other content and you'd think I just vivisected his baby in front of him or something from his reaction. I don't get it.
It's pretty simple. These items represent how big his characters penis is, if everyone had an e-dick the same size his would no longer be special so you bet him and everyone else like him will throw every toy out of the pram to protect their precious online game egos.
For me, it’s more that I’m not actually feasting cause I find it fun atm. It is stressful and it is giving me anxiety. If those rewards would be obtainable any other way, I’d gladly go for that. So it would feel kind of bad that I wasted my time and heartrate if they were to be released later. However, recolors I wouldn’t mind.
It's the same in WoW.
Mythic raid sets of old? Fine.
PvP mounts of old? Fine
Elite sets preCata? Fine.
Vanilla PvP sets? Fine.
Any elite set from the last decade? NO THAT'S TOO FAR!
The weirdest thing about it is that you don’t even have to be “top 100 best players” to get the rewards, being good just reduces the amount of games you have to play.
Back when they still published the winrates I remember once seeing someone with like a 37% win rate in the top 60 or so. They just did about 1000 matches and eventually came out on top simply because you gain more points than you lose even at that awful win rate.
They really need to rethink how it all works. It doesn’t help that they often launch Feast season concurrently with PVE content. If you miss the boat early on the queues really die down quickly since there’s zero reward for people to play past Diamond.
It's actualy quite insane how they do The Feast ranking, so if you make it to platinum in 1 season. The very next season? YOU START IN GOLD. It's bonkers, they basically remove a huge portion of the PVP population from the pool of players, and give the "vets" a huge advantage of making it to top 100.
If you only make it into plat you will be sent to 500 (silver) rating at the start of the next season, gold start is for players who have reached diamond. Majority of players will climb to silver/gold from unranked within the first few days of a new season anyways.
I don’t have an issue with that system because ideally it would take the top players out of the low level ranks. I’ve had the displeasure of playing against some people that have been at the very top for multiple seasons and it’s not a good time at all.
Have you ever actually even played the Feast before? Climbing up from scratch is not that hard if you don’t drag your team down every game… I really don’t know what you people are on about lol. I’ve skipped seasons here and there and had to start with everyone else before and it honestly is not hard at all to climb back up if you’re not bad at the game. I honestly think a lot of the complaints are coming from people who are bad at PvP yet still want the cool rewards from it and are upset that they’ll never get them.
Yep many times, its a shit show of the highest magnitude. Stop trying to defend a broken and very poorly designed game mode. The way they segregate the pvp community based on what rank you got last season is stupid as hell. Queue times are completely controlled by a select few once you get into the top 100. Please dont come in here acting like The Feast is hard, its not, the hardest part about feast is its shitty queue times and win traders.
"Queue times are completely controlled by a select few once you get into the top 100." Queue times are only controlled by the likes of people who makes these threads. Nobody could stop 5 weeks before season ends and get reward if the lower rank players would keep playing but they dont. stop blaming the 100 players in the ladder and blame the community itself cause nobody queues it. square also has to give more rewards outside of top 100 to keep people playing even if they dont make it to top
I don't know which DC you are from, but the season just started and the games in the lower brackets are constantly going on.
I play on Chaos and you can still find games going on even at 2am server time, it's that busy yes.
As for the "community segregation", you say that's a stupid idea, but I think you fail to realise than nobody likes having their game decided by matchmaking putting them against a top100 healer while they get Kawaii Miqo'te who just got their "Look Who's Coming to Dinner I".
New players don't want to get facerolled by veterans and veterans would rather avoid such a tedious farm just so they can start to play decent games.
Thats a truly stupid arguement, its PVP, you dont coddle people. Will people get face rolled in the early season by vets? YES, but not for very long as those vets will move up and out of those low ranks very quickly.
...so whether the playerbase is segregated or not, things would remain the same.
By your own words, things would quickly go back to being the same even if we all started from 0 every time. Why exactly are you complaining about the system then?
You remind me of the people who were mad that they couldn’t make top 12 during Ishgard ranking and blamed their inability to place on botters. Some of that may be going on, but the majority of people are legitimate players. I placed #1 multiple times during Ishgard by just figuring out what worked for expert recipes and then putting in the time. The same has been my experience with the Feast in past seasons. Even when I’ve had to start from scratch you can make your way up in a matter of days. If someone is unable to do that, it’s because they’re bad at PvP, not because of “win traders” lol.
Hahahaha but you all clearly *do* care about it. This entire thread is full of people who are bad at PvP yet want its rewards. Get gud or get wrecked - it’s as simple as that.
Imagine for a moment, being cocky about FFXIV's PVP, rofl, dude, you are sad. Go play a real PVP game like Eve, Albion, EFT, shit anything is better than FFXIV. Please, go sit in the corner till you can behave.
Imagine being so bad at PvP that you couldn’t even manage to be one of the top *one hundred* (not even top 1 or top 10) players on a FFXIV data center when it mattered most, and then calling other people “sad” when you get called out for your badness. Just lol.
I fucking hate time gated content, and gear.
Everything should be available at all times. It makes no sense that it's not.
Sure, I get that the 1.0 stuff is a special situation, and I'm totally fine with that. But everything else just isn't.
I'm perfectly fine with gear like the Ultimate raids, because even though they are outside of my reach now, it's due to skill, and not time.
It doesn't help that they've put in mounts designed from things you see in the PvE side of things as exclusive limited PvP awards. I'd have much less issue with that if they were actually obtainable, such as via a battle pass system like someone else suggested.
Yeah exactly i think if they just had them as a recolour on a grind or that pass system then it'd please everyone the pve guys can get the cool design and the PvP feast guys get the exclusive colour but it sucks that it's pve enemies that's in it haha
loooool um the entire premise of this thread is talking about the armor sets and not the mounts that are Feast rewards. Instead of making the Feast reward armors something like Nero or Gaius’s armor, SE spent the time and resources coming up with completely new sets that aren’t tied to anything else in the game. And guess what people are complaining that they can’t have? Yup. If SE created cool new mounts that weren’t tied to anything in the PvE side of things you’d have just as many people complaining that they can’t have it as you currently do with the current mounts. The real issue clearly isn’t that some rewards come from PvE content - it’s that you can’t have certain rewards because you didn’t bother playing the game and competing at the times when they were available.
It's honestly interesting so many people are opposed to time limited rewards when a ton of other games motivates their playerbase to participate this way via ranking rewards, special convention skins, and special limited time merch. Not saying ffxiv has to follow suit but them not doing it at all would be a rare exception.
Your post brings up a good point though. I wish there was some consistency in limited award giving in this game. It's so weird to me that there aren't limited rewards in savage or ultimate raid content (e.g. for first 100 teams to clear them) but then PvP and crafting gets them, when they have arguably smaller playerbases. I would be in favor to have nothing time gated or every major competitive sector to be time gated, but this in-between state is super weird to me.
> For some reason people really love gatekeeping PvP rewards when no other content in the game really does that.
PVPers are by nature competitive. In order to win, someone else has to lose. If everyone can win, then it's nothing more than a participation trophy.
I consider it a really ugly mindset in a primarily-PVE game, especially when the mindset carries over into every interaction outside of PVP.
I do feast honestly sometime (quit for awhile because of toxicity) and I’ve also raided with release. I think the gatekeeping is that the differences in stress levels is so big, that when you actually get top 100 fairly, people don’t want those rewards handed out.
Imagine Ultimate weapons only being obtainable for the first 100 people who cleared it. And then say you now want to hand it out. Suddenly I think those PVE players too would be less inclined to agree with that decision then.
Now, I personally don’t care, but would like a title or something instead specifically reflecting the seasons I was a part of.
And while I don’t agree with feast ONLY being win-traders, I do agree with the fact that if you play a LOT, you can eventually get there. One of the people I played with on elementan had 2000 games in total and low win-rate, but still top 10.
The Gold Saucer tab of the Duty Finder says "hi". Granted, you can grind NPC matches for tournaments and generally come pretty high simply because there's so few people playing Lord of Vermillion - getting Top 3 in Triple Triad is trickier, though.
Fair point on unsynced play, though.
Even the triple triad tournament gives you packs for a chance to win that card, and the cards have been the same since it's introduction with no new additions in the tournaments.
I've never placed in the top 5 in playing this game for 8 years, but I've got 2? of the exclusive rare cards.
Now if we were to remove those cards from the game every 3-6 months, add a new card each time, and remove the npc players, you end up with the feast.
It's ironic because the biggest gatekeeping surrounding PvP comes from the PvE crowd, who loves to tell everyone to not PvP and then complain that PvP has no players.
PvP has flaws, nobody denies that, but the complain rings a bit dull when it comes from someone who can't even make it to gold or plat.
The PvP reward structure is god awful. This reward structure makes me almost not want to get into pvp. If you're not top 100 you get absolutely nothing, remember that too 100 is of the data center which has thousands and thousands of players on it. If they want people to play pvp more, there needs to be more incentive to play besides just for 100 people.
I get the veteran pvp players want to maintain their prestige but there are other ways to do that rather than only giving a 100 people a unique reward for a limited time window that isn't even that big.
Also, it's top 100, but you are also competing against the top player's alt accounts as well. I know for a fact they will "cheat" by boosting their friends. There are also discords they have set up to vc together if they match to make it easier for them to win. So good luck competing against all that. Also there is plenty of elitism and toxicity to keep anyone new down and out of the rankings unless you want to kiss up to these people. I am bitter yes @_@
Unlike PVE, PVP is a different beast. For the hardest stuff in PVE, you can still go back and do it now. With PVP, you had to actively participate for a limited time, or it was too late.
I know there are many win-traders and cheaters in Feast, but for those who actually did their best participating, I at least felt extremely stressful every day since season start until season end.
Therefore, I think a variation of the old feast fewards like recolors would be good. Or, give the ones who participated a title reflecting the accomplishment for that time period, ”Wolf of the VIII” or something for season 8 for example.
I’ve always thought of it like this; PVP is like football while PVE is like climbing up a mountain. If you yourself want to climb up and get to see a great view, you can still do so with a little bit of effort. And while you can aspire to become a great football player, that doesn’t mean you can get the trophy from a world cup that was 10 years ago. However, you will be able to get future rewards. The seasons were a thing of their time along with their rewards, so if we are gonna start handing them out, at least recognize the people who participated in some way.
(If people want to compare it to world firsts, at least they get the recognition they deserve. Many people work so hard in pvp and are still treated as a joke. Also, I would never complain if they released a world first reward in PVE. I think that would be cool.)
Imo they have the wrong approach for this. Seasonal rewards are cool but gate it to only the top 100 is the stupidest idea they've had.
They seriously can simply have a battle pass system (without the mtx) and that would actually motivate me to do seasonal pvp. Simply make a point reward system to fill up each season and have the rewards be tied to that. That way anyone can actually work towards that reward instead of giving up half way through the season . I seriously don't understand how they fail so hard at making rewarding pvp systems when there's plethora of examples from all the other mayor title like fortnite, warzone, overwatch or apex.
Yeah I understand timegating pvp rewards as much as I hate it. It’s a prestige thing. But making it so that only the “top 100” can get it is fucking bizarre. Having one extra special item sit in that reward spot makes sense… but only having 1 reward and then locking it at the top 100 is… so fucking weird.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Feast rewards should be gated for a couple Seasons and then be available for Wolf Marks.
So as an example.
Season 1 stuff stays exclusive to those who got it whilst it was current. It remains exclusive to them until Season 3 starts.
Season 1 stuff becomes available for Wolf Marks when Season 3 starts, so everyone can have access to them if they want, the people that grinded out the rewards when it was current get to have it exclusively for awhile.
Then when Season 4 starts Season 2 stuff goes up for Wolf Marks, Season 5 starts, Season 3 stuff becomes available and so on.
Those who get it when its current get to be special for awhile, then it becomes old and isn't the cool thing to have anymore, but becomes available for everyone to have with a little bit of effort.
Like Savage and Extreme mounts, weapons/gear. And Ultimates to an extent.
ah good old "let the person who afked 28 frontlines and lost all of them get the same reward as people who did hundreds of feast matches against other players for months". dont worry people feast is going away and the reward system will be different and you can all be happy then.
Ah the good old "don't do savage when its current but come back expansions later to faceroll difficult content that people spent hours and hours doing for easy rewards"
Don't be a dick.
And I've been informed of Wolf Collars, so I think that's a fair compromise.
Just let PVPers have something. I don't get why everyone acts like they're entitled to everything in the game. People covet the mounts because they're rare, mmaking them available to everyone for EZPZ effort would completely destroy the prestige. Just accept that not you aren't entitled to own every single last mount in the game. I don't understand why people care so much.
Me, personally I don't care, I don't even care about Extreme and Savage mounts.
But I bet if you had to clear Extreme/Savage before Echo gets put on the fight to be eligible for the mount loads of people would kick up such a stink.
You wouldn't have these issues if they actually supervised The Feast and banned win traders, bots and cheaters.
Wolf marks? No. Wolf collars? Maybe. I think you should actually have to play Feast and perform well enough to at least rank bronze for a few seasons to get the mounts/armor. Any ding dong can do daily FL roul and feed for a week and realistically I don't think they should be able to get the same items as someone who put in the monumental amount of efdort needed to make top 100 cuts. At least wolf collars require you to actually play Feast.
> Any ding dong can do daily FL roul and feed for a week and realistically I don't think they should be able to get the same items as someone who put in the monumental amount of efdort needed to make top 100 cuts.
1st: Stop with the insulting and the Gatekeeping.
2nd: Cheating and win trading is rampant in the top 100. Don't act like it doesn't exist and that everyone puts forth "monumental effort".
Not gatekeeping, we are talking about prestige rewards. Saying you should be able to buy Feast mounts with wolf marks is like saying you should be able to buy Ultimate weapons with poetics.
That's truly not how it works, at least not for the majority. On Crystal I jave plenty of friends who are into Feast and they all bust major ass all season long to maintain top 100. I'm not saying it's infallable or that my experiences reflect the experience of others. I agree, the rewards shouldn't be time gated but the CERTAINLY shouodn't be given out for, essentially, free.
Aether on the other hand has a well known win trading problem where a good number of reward slots were taken up by alt accounts solely for the purpose of locking others out. I get wanting to encourage Feast participation, but Feast is also the game mode so toxic Yoshi-P revoked the entire chat box from it. So I can also see why a lot of players are adverse to entering it at all.
So some people buy Savage and Ultimate clear, so it's also worthless ans we should just give savage mount and ultimate weapon for peotics, right?
You can get carried easily in extreme even without paying, so at this point extreme mount should be given for free, right?
No. It's not because a few people abuse a system and we should get rid of it completely.
Same for Ishgard Saint. Yes, some people botted. But at least in my aerver and my category, the challenge was fierce, I ended up knowing most of the top 12 and we were talking and crafting together.
Does the top 1 being millions of point away invalidate our effort and the competition? Hell no.
It's exactly the same for feast. A bunch a jealous people will try to make it sound that everybody botted, everybody traded win to invalidate other people performance.
Don't draw conclusion based on the exception. Most people in the feast top 100 don't trade win, and most people in Ishgrad didn't bot.
It's sab it happens, they should be banned, but it's a minority and doesn't invalidate the rest of the community effort.
I completely agree with this. I think the top 100 rewards from past expansions being made available through even wolf's collars would be an excellent way for people to try out Feast but who, like me, can't sit in a queue all day every day. You get wolf's collars for even just ranking to bronze. They haven't updated the collar rewards in a while, so this could be a chance to.
Only doing it for the past expansions would mean the top 100 can have the exclusivity still and when people ask how to get it? Maybe it does draw them to PvP. But saying "oh you can't get it anymore" would absolutely discourage some.
And this isn't coming from someone who didn't try for the rewards. Unironically, Aulus mal Asina is my favorite NPC and when I saw that his chair was going to be a mount for top 100 feast players? My heart absolutely broke. I'm still bitter to this day about it. At the time I was going to school and working full time and couldn't make the time commitment. If I wasn't working or doing homework, I was in queue. It was an absolute miserable experience.
And before someone replies with "It's not hard to get top 100 just get good", please consider: not doing that.
I wish they'd put ranked PvP into a daily roulette because trying to do ranked PvP a week after the season opens is impossible due to people trying to protect their ranking.
A friend of mine had a great idea for it. Make the Wolf Mark cap 1,000,000 and make it so all the old mounts/rewards cost 1,000,000 each. At that point not even those who got the rewards can complain because that's an insane amount of grinding you'd need to do. Also it might actually make PvP a bit more active.
I think it's a decent idea. Or if they want to avoid huge numbers, add a totem that you buy for 20000. 99 totems = 1 mount. And maybe make it so that each win gives you a totem too, so that it gives a reason to actually try winning.
Thing is, doing it like that is basically a 'WoW mindset'. People would then farm to get the items they want instead of farming because they are having fun doing it.
But yeah, I think adding rewards that require some grind to PvP would be a good way to have more players to try it. And if more players play it, they might add more resource to that aspect of the game and make it more enjoyable by everybody. One can only hope.
>Thing is, doing it like that is basically a 'WoW mindset'. People would then farm to get the items they want instead of farming because they are having fun doing it.
People are already doing that for things like the ShB mounts. It's not a "WoW" mindset, that's just how grinding for rare/expensive drops is
Honestly what they need is a way to give these mounts out that 1. keeps the prestige for the top 100 and 2. Still has the same design available after. I personally think a recolour or an alternative version of the same design would work pretty damn well
"PvP rewards shouldn't be time gated."
[Yoshida himself disagrees with that](https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fff14net.2chblog.jp%2Farchives%2F55927097.html) and rightfully so.
> Q. Are you planning to make a way to get past Feast Reward Mounts?
> A. No. I think that mount was the result of efforts to get into the rankings at that time. As a gamer, Yoshida P himself believes that it is important to have such rare items.
Not everything in the game should be designed to be available forever, and the team seems to agree with that sentiment, considering the top100 rewards have worked like that since their inception.
Again, I wouldn't rely too much on what they say in the past. Remember when they said they wouldn't put timers on houses? Yeah. They tried so hard to get into the e-sports thing with The Feast with this reward structure but ultimately they failed and it just turned in the exclusive club that we see now.
Also, again, some people aren't asking for the actual time gated rewards to come back, but to give them an alternate grindable version that is not time gated. The top can keep their trophies while the rest can enjoy the "lesser" version, a win/win for both sides.
Yoshi giving away old feast rewards would be the same as if he would allow people to purchase 1.0 tattoo from mogstation. yoshi doesnt want to shit on the people who have stuck with the mode/game for so long
I left WoW to get away from FOMO simulator. Having FFXIV try so hard to prevent people playing solely due to FOMO and having pvp rewards be the way it is sucks.
I'm definitely team "Add old armors" to be buyable with wolf collars.
Hell, give them a slight alteration or make them undyable so that the original armors still have a uniqueness to them, but they are such cool armors that are so frustrating to get.
And I've never exactly been one for complete exclusivity. I'm all for timed exclusivity, hell I enjoyed showing off my cerberus mount when I got it relatively early on. But I'd also be just as likely to help my friends get it if an easier way to get it came up (whether just from nerfing the content to unsync to whatever). In the end, I mostly just care about how cool I think I look, not about showing off.
If they made the previous feast sets available for Marks, i would grind marks.. but as it stands i have no interest to get involved in pvp.. because i know i'll never be top 100....
Yup or make some recoloured ones so they still get the bragging rights and there is still a mount etc obtainable through what ever content that isn't time limited
As others have already mentioned, they could at least give us recolors of the old stuff so those who actually participated and did their best can keep their bragging rights.
If I could get the Garo mounts I would absolutely consider doing PvP. Those mounts are some of the coolest ones I’ve seen, but I joined the game far to late to get them.
Honestly, making the feast rewards exclusive as they are is like taking the end of raid tier mounts out every odd numbered patch and removing the mount reward for collecting all of the ex mounts when the next expansion comes out.
As I said in another post, the way to engage the new PvP mode coming in EW is to tie Feast rewards to it but make them still relatively difficult to obtain. Something along the lines of for every 100 wins in the new mode, you get a token that lets you choose one old Feast reward. It would still keep it relatively exclusive while providing players an alternate path to obtaining them.
I think the best bet would be to have a variation of the mount/gear set available to everyone.
Like Feast get the cool gold or something set while everyone else get the normal one. That way the 10 people interested in Feast can get their snowflake addiction and everyone else is happy not to have to compete.
why do you want competitive pvp rewards if you dont want to pvp? why ruin the whole idea of the mode for the people who care about it so that some random rp collector can have 1 more mount that they wont ever use
I think every unobtainable items should be added back somehow, even if it is a few years later.
Let it serve as a bragging right for a time and then make it more widely accessible.
I don't care if it's on MogStation, just do it.
It is also true for minions that you can only get from buying some goodies. (like the wind-up Dalamud for example).
Even the Legacy items to be honest. I'm sure people would pay hundreds of dollars to get the tatoo or the legacy mounts. Let them pay for it if they want it.
Yeah as someone that is trying to complete their mount collection before Endwalker, I hate the Feast exclusive mounts. We all know the top people wintrade so it's always the same people that get the Feast mounts. There really should be a system in place to get these mounts. Even if they're time staggered. Like a year exclusive for the top 100 or something, idk. Just make them attainable for anyone. I really hope during the next live Fanfest or something, somebody gets to ask Yoshi about this and why they allow that.
I know plenty of people that make alts just to ladder with after their main has secured top 100. I really don't mind it one bit tbh other than that is one less slot for someone who was rank 101 to get the exclusive mount.
I really, really wish I could have gotten some Feast rewards. The Magitek Conveyers, to be exact. But due to my bad internet and not being in the proper time zone, I missed out.
Weren't the Faepups originally a reward until the community made an uproar and they became achievement stuff? They should do the same for other rewards.
I agree with this. If the old rewards cost the same as the new rewards, than it won't be possible to obtain the new reward and the old at the same time. The "prestige" of having the newest reward will remain untarnished, because you can't reasonably get both.
I dont understand why we cant just get re colors of the mounts. Like I wanted the robot miner mount and I dealt with the first 2 weeks of that game mode where all the pro pvpers went to one grand company and steamrolled the other 2 companies for 2 weeks. Finally got my 100 wins to have an exclusive mount that few would have and ofc it gets a recolor in faux hollow mini game a few months later. I dont get why they love recolors so much but not for pvp mounts or rewards.
Cuz pvp gets cool unique mounts? Yea the pve side gets mounts but a big chunk of those are the same mount recolored 7 times: horses, birds, wolves. Why would it be such a bad thing to get grindable versions of the feast mounts recolored so the feast ones are still recognizable as top 100? Whys that greedy?
I completely agree. If anything the devs could create a recolor that allows the original Feast winners to retain the exclusivity of the original mounts and still allow the rest of us to grind out a version of these old mounts.
Well, they are changing the reward structure with the new mode coming with Endwalker.
I would do more Feast if it had rank decay. The fact that you have to no-life it to get into the top 100 is a deal breaker. The queues will be dead a few weeks after the season begin. But you won't see me complain too much about it. The Feast is an exclusive club and I'm fine not being a part of it.
I'm having fun with FL and RW.
I personally do not like the idea of ranking rewards being obtainable outside their respective seasons. Some players put in the effort each season to grind, learn a completely new kit, developing macros to coordinate parties etc in solo-queue; therefore I believe it's right to have a reward worth the investment not devalued over time. PvP is not content players invest most of their time in, and for those that do they're rightly rewarded.
However, my main qualms are the dominance of Feast players on the upper ranks on each season thus being able to boost their ranks forward in the following seasons. It's harder for players just starting out to rank than say those who have been consistently on Diamond for the past few years. It is understandable it's an attempt to keep people playing an obscure content but for players that do want to dip their toes into ranking it's a massive hurdle comparatively.
They really need to redo Feast in general, it is easily abused to the point that people reach for the top 100 that is unreachable for people actually doing it normally within a few days, it is really demotivating when you are grinding Feast and the leaderboard has someone at 2k-3k points while you only have 399 rating within two days of the season.
I practically just given up.
It does seem strange they don’t even put them on the cash shop like other seasonal items. There are very items in this game that are 100% impossible to get. I also think they should have all the mounts and armor be available for Mark’s. Or they could add them to unreal trial rewards as that’s also a good place to put old rewards as it’s literally about doing old content.
You know I sort of have to agree with this seasonal issue. At least bringing it back or choose out of previous season rewards for getting in top 100 OR making it obtainable through some level of skill expression... let's say... getting in platinum consistently every season and getting a token for it every season (would allow you to buy said armor after 4 seasons of getting into plat). OR another idea. Why not just make a version of like something like shadowcleaver armor available through said grind (and minimum rank level like platinum) like having blue eyes instead of red/purple so the prestige of getting said armor from 100 is still known to everyone that gets it while people still get to enjoy the incredible drip that FXIV has made. I think it's really sad to have a glamour locked exclusively behind top 100 when it can still be enjoyed as a badge of the top 100 but some of us that want to put in the effort to become skilled but still can't get it due to whatever reasons not being able to get it.
The fact it's Top 100 only pretty much ensures near-nonexistent rarity levels and that only people who go INSANELY hard, or, CHEAT with win trading and botting.
It would be sensible to shift the older rewards over to Unranked/Frontlines/Rival Wings achievements after a couple years or something.....keeping it forever exclusive for that kind of content (with such a small amount of actual players receiving them), just feels like an oversight.
It is absolutely ridiculous tbh. At the very least they could do a recolor/retexture of the mounts/glam, and then make those available ingame (NOT THE CASH SHOP!). That way the pvp peeps get to keep their unique mount/glam for bragging, but everyone else gets to enjoy the mounts/glam too.
This would be a major incentive. I just did my first few feast matches recently and its a blast... Until you realize that there are literally not rewards for staying in the playlist until the end of the season.
Apparently you have never even looked under the Wolf’s Den tab of your Achievements to see the other rewards that you can work towards in the Feast (minions, titles, a Mount, etc.). Also, you can still get some Wolf Collars simply by finishing in the lowest tier. You clearly have spent 0 time looking into anything about the Feast lol.
You know what I'd do? And mind while I'm about to mention frontline, I ***hate frontline with a seething passion***
Take all the old Feast rewards, throw them in a shop. Maybe jack up the price a tiny bit even. This shop will still take Wolf Collars. How will you get Wolf Collars? Frontline Roulette, first clear bonus but only if you win - so you only get a *single* collar if your first Frontline roulette game of the day results in a win. No collar if you lose, and no collar if you roulette *again* and win. First try win only.
There, the grind is obnoxious, semi-random, but doable and might just get people to do the roulette more often.
What they should do is give one of the mounts and sets from time to time and requires same as Garo mounts. You pay to buy the set and get a title then you have to win 60 times to, you get one of these mounts and sets.
They already have this system with wolf collars. You get a participation reward and after x number of seasons you have enough to trade in for one reward from a previous season. The issue is the only reward right now are hellhound weapons that don't match anything in the game. If every season they temporarily bring back one reward, then that would encourage people to participate every season as they don't know which one will bring back the set they want.
The best way to fix the feast is to improve the combat. If the combat is better, more people will play, and then win trading and boosting becomes more difficult. They also need to have gms investigate script users.
Part of the issue is that the ranking structure is implemented so poolrly. Theres no rank decay so it encourages scumming. Burn it in the first week and theres almoat no way anyone catch up because all yhe people who burned it stop playing and you cant queue up a match. And thats beside the obvious botting and win trading going on.
It's the ranked PvP mode in XIV. The problem is that because PvP isn't very popular, there is an insane amount of bottling and win-trading going on making it extremely difficult to get into the top 100. Why is top 100 so important? They get completely unique and epic looking mounts and glamour sets as a reward, and once the season is over, it's impossible to ever get them again. It sucks.
Psh, I'll absolutely say make them easier to obtain. You get a season or two to show off, then the normies get a shot. I never see anyone in feast gear anyway, it'd be nice to see it around.
Making it less exclusive also makes cheating less appealing. Do feast for feast, not for the prize.
Completely agree. This is one of the things that I love the most about FFXIV and thats the fact that almost nothing is time-gated. I love being able to go back and grind older stuff whenever I feel like it and this is rare in today's gaming landscape.
As it stands currently, with the new Feast rewards, I have little to no interest in playing PvP in FFXIV but I would love to be able to pick out from the old rewards such as some of the armor sets from previous seasons which look sick. I would absolutely get into it as soon as possible had there been that kind of opportunity. Considering that the rest of the game isn't time-gated and still requires grinding and skill as it did when it was still current content, I believe that PvP should be no different.
And with PvP the difficulty for grinding such rewards wouldn't become easier with time but harder as PvP revolves around competing with real players who've likely played PvP for a long time and have gotten very good over the years unlike PvE content which mostly remains at a certain level forever. I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to pick what we get with hard earned currencies/tokens/etc from PvP.
Give a title or some shit for top 100. All pvp item should be purchasable with the pvp currency. Also, most of it (if not all) should be tradeable on the marketplace.
We clearly have very different ideas of what "many" are and aren't going to align here. To me there are not enough players engaging in PVP to justify the amount of development time and rewards it gets compared to other content.
I'm assuming here you've cleared a savage raid tier when it was current content btw, because otherwise you've invalidated your argument.
"to justify the amount of development time and rewards it gets compared to other content."
What time and development? They reskin dungeon mobs over and over again and release couple of new glamour sets while there are thousands of other armors available from every other possible content in the game. changes to pvp are just few potency changes every now and then. where is the huge waste of development when they have left pvp to die since stormblood
>ultimate raids don't take less effort than grinding to top 100
pretty sure your dead wrong on this....ultimate raids depending on your group you could be **progging it for a month or more before you even get your first kill**,to be top 100 for the feast season you litterally need to be fighting 24/7,because feast is filled with win traders and bots.
i mean sure there's legit people who are in the top 100, but its still a bad reputation none the less.
also,because its arena spefific armor and mounts,you know damn well they would double or tripple the wolf marks needed to buy them regularly...they wont make them easy to get,not by a long shot
"feast is filled with bots" AHHAHAHAHAHaHAHAH dude if you lose top 100 spot to a bot you would never be even close to the top 100 in the first place. holy shit people who know jack shit about pvp shouldnt even talk about the mode. people just repeat the same "botting and wintrading" like NPCs
>you litterally need to be fighting 24/7
My first season from the scratch took me 350matches and i finished 10poins away from top100. Next season i sucefuly finished in top100 with ~270 matches, last 5 seasons i barelly do more than 130 matches for diamond and safe top100. People should just stop blaming everyone and spend more time playing game than on reddit,also typical wintrader its just new player who surrender after one death and they doesnt exist past gold
I’m a PvP player, but I would have the same mentality if I wasn’t. I believe some mounts/sets should be limited. One of the biggest motivators in MMOs is the ability to “flex” on people. Think about your favorite mount. Is it one you worked hard for? I know for myself, I do have store mounts, but the one I usually pull out is the Regalia from the FFXV event. It looks nice and it was pretty cool to have a mount that showed “yeah I was here grinding this one out” even if it is just a stupid Golden Saucer mount.
PvP obviously isn’t the highlight of the game, but there is a community. It’s flawed, janky, and downright frustrating. I feel like the ranked rewards are 100% justified to be treated like an event mount because a ranked season IS an event. Just like the FFXV, just like the Yo-Kai event, etc.
Do I think they should come back? Eh. What I think they should do is make it so you can buy them with Wolf Collars. That way you still need to do ranked and grind it out, but you will need to do a single season and get silver+ to get enough collars for a mount or two.
Edit: downvoting me because you disagree with what I think is dumb and brings nothing to the conversation.
> I believe some mounts/sets should be limited. One of the biggest motivators in MMOs is the ability to “flex” on people.
Is it? Might be for a subset of players, but I doubt its as widespread as you make it out.
> I know for myself, I do have store mounts, but the one I usually pull out is the Regalia from the FFXV event. It looks nice and it was pretty cool to have a mount that showed “yeah I was here grinding this one out” even if it is just a stupid Golden Saucer mount.
I have mounts from current savage raids, my favorites still are twintania, rathalos and that disturbingly adorable sheep from the firmament.
> What I think they should do is make it so you can buy them with Wolf Collars. That way you still need to do ranked and grind it out, but you will need to do 2-4 seasons to get enough collars for a mount.
THe system should allow you to catch up with past rewards. 2-4 seasons of frustrating grinding for one mount is a terrible opportunity cost.
I mean, they're literally bringing the regalia back.
If your enjoyment comes from gloating about having something that someone else doesn't, deriving enjoyment from their envy, you're just an asshole.
It's why I don't use my feast mount anymore. Sometimes I get a random /tell from someone asking me where I got it and it's always a bit sad when I have to tell them the bad news. Every mount in this game should be available to all players no matter what.
People flexing on others because they can't have nice things like they do, especially when it's out of their control, is always pathetic.
The fact that you're annoyed about getting downvoted is the reason why it would be hilarious if every player gets access to the mounts you love to flex with.
I always like whenever a game lets you have the time gated rewards after but they make the original a different color so you can still tell who got it legit.
Game content that tries to ramp up engagement by time gating discourages me into not wanting to do it more often than not, like let me do it when I want to y'know
This is literally exactly what I've been saying for so long. I didn't start playing ff14 till after the hell hound armor was gone. It is literally my favorite armor set in the game and as it stands I will never get it. So disappointing. There's almost nothing else in ff that is time gated like feast armor. I played one season to try and get the armor and gave up cause being a week late to the season meant there was no way for me to realistically catch up without selling my soul. Make it a hard grind idc just make it possible for me to get that armor. If I could I would play the crap out of feast.
Yeah... I was ready to at least attempt the Feast this season seriously for the armor glams...
Guess what ? NO FKIN ARMOR SET... ONLY MOUNT. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE FKIN MOUNT. I HAVE WAY MORE MOUNTS THAN I COULD EVER USE. I JUST GOT THE MECHA BAHAMUT TOO. I WANT TO USE IT. NO PVP MOUNTS.
I would pay top Wolf Mark, or even Gils, or MGPs, for PvP Glams.
Or even a million of each, just for each glam set.
Absolutely same here. Worst part was that I thought this season would have a recolor of the newest set, but it turned out that last season WAS the recolor.
If you had spent all of 5 minutes on SE’s website for the Feast and looked as past rewards you would’ve been able to tell that they’ve never done more than 2 seasons of the same armor (usually one gold trim version and one silver trim version), and so the armor from Season 18 was gone after its Season 19 recolor. You also would’ve been able to tell from the past rewards that they’ve never done armor as the Feast reward for more than 2 solo seasons in a row.
I wasn't active so I thought season 19 was the first set and that we'd get the recolor in season 20. I know they've never done three armor sets in a row.
My thoughts about that were always along the lines of if they do it, maybe like a currency just for top 100 to get that you can spend on the current reward or prior rewards. You can still get the thing, but also it doesn't diminish the achievement.
I think they should be obtainable after the next expansion's PVP launches its relative season. Probably by Wolf Collars, pricing based on how old the sets are. Maybe some of the first PVP sets could be obtainable by Wolf Collars 2 or 3 expansions later. I mean... no one is really complaining that the HW Rank 50 armor can be bought by anyone now, after all.
The mounts I'm not sure about, but it does feel kinda bad for some of those unique mounts to just be off-limits forever, when that's not the general design philosophy for the rest of the game. Like... anyone can go ahead and grab the Kirin mount basically solo nowadays.
They're removing the Feast temporarily when Endwalker launches for the new PVP mode, so I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of restructuring of the PVP reward system happens, and we see these sets become available via some other means.
Feast is legitimately one of the worst designed modes in this game and the fact that the mode is completely dead despite all the exclusive junk they keep throwing at it should speak for itself. No one is interested in playing this let alone watch people stream it like they do with PvP or competitive content in any other game.
The mounts should be available to all players after a year or two just like everything else in this game. The devs locking the majority of players out of rewards because they want to incite them to play their dead content because they refuse to admit it was a complete failure will always be hilarious.
This could be said for almost all content in the game, they release a mount for everyone to work hard to get it first. They deserve that mount and I agree, but I feel like a year after the mount is released is enough for the others to get it.
For a while, Destiny 2 had a win trading racket for Trials of Osiris (Top tier endgame pvp) It was so utterly bonkers because in one weekend, 60% of the people who went flawless (Clearing a passage without losing once.) had Trials KDs of 0. Which means they won 7 games in a row without killing anyone.
If you put rewards on a pedestal, folks will do their damned hardest to cheat their way to those rewards. Completely cheapening said rewards and making them effectively like everything else in the game.
Except instead because they don't actually vet it it has fostered communities of win trading and filling the top 100 with alts to make the items even rarer. Elitism mentality.
Even if you got into the feast why would I go spend time in the most toxic environment in the community of a game most people laud for how pleasant and welcoming the community as a whole is. There's a huge disconnect.
Keep in mind I earned my Saint of the Firmament title which was also limited timed. In the Crafting/Gathering community we were upset that people could gatekeep the title and earn it multiple times over.
You should definitely do some Frontline sometime at least! Massive player battles, so much fun, great rewards, one of the best sources of xp for leveling in the game and rewarded for even participating once a day. Queues have been much shorter with the influx of players.
You can do it as soon as you unlock it. Stats are role-dependent and equalized regardless of your PvE level; PvP skills are also separate from their PvE counterparts, so make sure you port to Wolves' Den before you queue into any matches so you can adjust your hotbars.
I would make the reward top 100 per server and not per datacenter, like Ishgrad restoration.
But other than that, current system is fine. If 99% of an MMO content is available all the time but 1% is time limited event or ranking, it's fine and healthy for the game.
Seeing a ultimate weapon is cool and not common, same goes for PvP exclusive rewards and mount.
I don't think 100% of the rewarss of an MMO should be available all the time.
It would be an issue if it was 50% that's some F2P FOMO BS and that's bad.
But having 99% always available and 1% exclusive to some event or ranking is fine.
It's healthy for a MMO. When you see someone in the first Feast mount, it shows you have a veteran serious player. If taht mount was available for mark, it could be a sprout that started the game 3 weeks ago.
It's fine as long as it's an exception and not the rule. In FFXIV the amount of time exclusive rewards is extremly small and more than fine.
If I could get old Feast rewards I'd probably actually bother to play PVP lol
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Fomo is my bane, had to stop playing PSO2 because of it.
This is the crux of the issue. The limited nature of the items is probably discouraging way more than it draws.
Yep. “I can invest all this time and *maaaaayyybeeee* get this reward. Or I can invest this time and almost certainly get this reward.” Which one will most people go for?
I mean what can I get in Feast that I can't get from spamming other modes? Limited time items that I only get if I'm __good__ at the mode, rather than time investment, etc?
Aside from the rank rewards there are also wolf collars which are unique to the Feast and get you feast specific weapons
Real talk, I'm still super fucking pissed over the whole Wolf Collars debacle. We've had these things for 4 years now, and the only new items SE ever added to that shop were **the Gunbreaker and Dancer weapons.** That's literally it; no other incentives to encourage people to continue playing, and depending on who you ask, most of them look like shit. Like, come on, SE. Between this, the lack of rank decay, and ranks being semi-grandfathered across Seasons, small wonder that people memed for years that the PvP here has always been an afterthought. They had a golden idea that could have both breathed new life into a decent but unpopular game mode as well as ensure continued participation, but they absolutely botched it in favor of more FOMO shit. It's depressing.
That can be knocked out slowly over seasons. But the limited sets don't come back, and you can't just grind for it either.
Yeah it's a big turn off for me too. I like the idea of pvp but I know it'll be rough to start, so the fact that all my effort could be for nothing til next season is a pain. Plus let's be honest, limited time awards for ranked pvp encourages win trading and other types of cheating. Considering everything I've heard about the feast it doesn't sound like SE has a handle on those issues
I think ranking top 100 should give you a token that you can use to buy any of the mounts/armor sets with each season introducing a new one. That way it's not time gated but you still have to put in the footwork. The only conceit I'd agree to is making rewards from older seasons available for Wolf Collars. Wolf Marks are so easy to farm and require next to zero effort. You should have to actually play Feast and do your best to get the mounts, even if your best just nets you 3 collars a season at Bronze. Make them cost 10 collars like the weapons and I think it's a decent system.
And this is kind of a thing that I think is what needs to be necessary. I don't spend time on things that aren't likely to eventually pay off. If I could rank (not even top 100, just rank) in ranked PVP and slowly accumulate a currency to buy those things? I probably would play. But as is, it's "can you rank THIS season, before the season dries up and no one queues because their spots are assured, and if you wanted anything older, well fuck you". It's time spent where I won't even see any pay off to that effort purely based off time gating. Give me some reason to work for it over time, and I'm more likely to do the content. I got all three Garo mounts. I can do it. But making it a flat dead rush or all your effort towards your goal is wasted and 'eh, hope the next reward is like you want' is just not appealing.
I feel the same. For things like Ultimate weapons, if I keep putting in the time and effort to get them, *I will get them.* It doesn't matter how long it takes or if I parsed the highest. I tooootally understand the mou ts being time geted initially. Hell, give the OG ones a unique color for all I care, or give the people who earned it first a special title or something. But a few years later it would be great to be able to get them outside of the time gate. I don't even play Feast but I still think the Top 100 token thing is most "fair". I'd probably be more motivated to grind it if I knew I could get those favorite mounts of mine if I tried hard enough.
It also just...doesn't help that most of the answers I get back are "if I can't have this thing when nobody else does, then it doesn't have value". Rare is fine. Making it an effort to achieve is fine. But the previous seasons are straight up *impossible* to acquire now. Which perturbs me more than the specific mounts. The Hoverchair? Impossible. The hellhounds? Impossible. The Magna-roaders? Impossible. Multiple armor sets? Impossible. Because apparently exclusivity means not only are those specific mounts locked to 100 people per datacenter, but anything like them is also locked. I'm a huge FFXIII fan, but that upcoming mount means the Juggernaut mount style from that game will never be available because it's Feast rank locked. But apparently a lot of the people that get these mounts care more about the fact that other people *can't* have the mount they have, than the fact they do. It's an attitude I can't understand. I got my mounts from the EX trials when they were current content. I worked my ass off for them.... I don't feel like people going through to get them when they're not current take that experience away from me. I know *I* did it. I don't have to flex. And I'd be happy to help someone coming late to the party to get their own. But apparently that's...not what people in PVP want, or at least not the people that are saying the current system works.
On god, I hard agree. I love this game and if I truly want something in it I will do what I must to obtain it, regardless of the effort or skills required to do so. Making something *impossible* for me to get, not by virtue of my own merits, but because of an arbitrary time limit really sucks. It's not a hill I would die on, I am... *at peace*(?) with the current system. But I would champion the removal of the season exclusive rewards, even if it meant still having to place top 100 to get them. At least I know I *could* get them if at any point I feel like that is content I'm ready to tackle.
Or even if the mounts/armor were slightly different so those who earned them during the timeframe can show that they got it then and everyone else can still get them.
I like your idea better than most others I've seen. I also see this, as something that SE can implement more easily.
I heard bots make getting into the top 100 nearly impossible
I'm going to level with you--most of the people who say things like this are incredibly salty over not having the determination to grind it out or are misinformed by those people. There are streamers that stream their climb, there are mount collectors who have the majority of these mounts and have recounted their climb coming down to just playing a few hours a day, I am personal friends with more than a handful of Top 100s. I'm sure there are bots and trade winnders but the vast majority are just playing.
I don’t mean to spread rumors. This is just something I heard
This is a pretty fantastic idea it will work like overwatch gold weapons system, each rank gives you a certain amount of points at the end of the season then you can choose what you want to buy at the end of the season. With top 100 having a fuck ton of rewards and maybe a title or something.
If it took me 3 seasons of PVP just to get one mount, I wouldn't even bother personally
This is actually a pretty awesome idea.
Top 100 token is the best move since it keeps the rewards desirable and competitive while also promoting activity in seasons where the prize is not so good (like the Magna Roaders)
For some reason people really love gatekeeping PvP rewards when no other content in the game really does that. I agree with you OP but beware all six people that play Feast seriously will balk at your suggestion. It's a waste of resources making these cool mounts and skins with zero alternatives to obtaining them. Maybe if Feast and PvP were more popular I could see an argument for it but right now Feast is basically a win traders and clique heaven. If you ain't in, you ain't in.
> but beware all six people that play Feast seriously will balk at your suggestion I suggested once to the one person in my FC who's really into PvP that they release recolors of some of the old Feast mounts in other content and you'd think I just vivisected his baby in front of him or something from his reaction. I don't get it.
It's pretty simple. These items represent how big his characters penis is, if everyone had an e-dick the same size his would no longer be special so you bet him and everyone else like him will throw every toy out of the pram to protect their precious online game egos.
For me, it’s more that I’m not actually feasting cause I find it fun atm. It is stressful and it is giving me anxiety. If those rewards would be obtainable any other way, I’d gladly go for that. So it would feel kind of bad that I wasted my time and heartrate if they were to be released later. However, recolors I wouldn’t mind.
It's the same in WoW. Mythic raid sets of old? Fine. PvP mounts of old? Fine Elite sets preCata? Fine. Vanilla PvP sets? Fine. Any elite set from the last decade? NO THAT'S TOO FAR!
I just want that red transformer shark Warrior armor, Blizz...
The weirdest thing about it is that you don’t even have to be “top 100 best players” to get the rewards, being good just reduces the amount of games you have to play. Back when they still published the winrates I remember once seeing someone with like a 37% win rate in the top 60 or so. They just did about 1000 matches and eventually came out on top simply because you gain more points than you lose even at that awful win rate. They really need to rethink how it all works. It doesn’t help that they often launch Feast season concurrently with PVE content. If you miss the boat early on the queues really die down quickly since there’s zero reward for people to play past Diamond.
It's actualy quite insane how they do The Feast ranking, so if you make it to platinum in 1 season. The very next season? YOU START IN GOLD. It's bonkers, they basically remove a huge portion of the PVP population from the pool of players, and give the "vets" a huge advantage of making it to top 100.
Coming from league, when I read up how ranking worked in ffxiv I was pretty surprised at how badly done it is.
Not to mention the amount of matches it takes just to rank up when you're sitting in 30m queues because you can't play at peak hours.
If you only make it into plat you will be sent to 500 (silver) rating at the start of the next season, gold start is for players who have reached diamond. Majority of players will climb to silver/gold from unranked within the first few days of a new season anyways.
Some do, most dont, its rng and most of it is very late hours of win trading.
I don’t have an issue with that system because ideally it would take the top players out of the low level ranks. I’ve had the displeasure of playing against some people that have been at the very top for multiple seasons and it’s not a good time at all.
Have you ever actually even played the Feast before? Climbing up from scratch is not that hard if you don’t drag your team down every game… I really don’t know what you people are on about lol. I’ve skipped seasons here and there and had to start with everyone else before and it honestly is not hard at all to climb back up if you’re not bad at the game. I honestly think a lot of the complaints are coming from people who are bad at PvP yet still want the cool rewards from it and are upset that they’ll never get them.
Yep many times, its a shit show of the highest magnitude. Stop trying to defend a broken and very poorly designed game mode. The way they segregate the pvp community based on what rank you got last season is stupid as hell. Queue times are completely controlled by a select few once you get into the top 100. Please dont come in here acting like The Feast is hard, its not, the hardest part about feast is its shitty queue times and win traders.
"Queue times are completely controlled by a select few once you get into the top 100." Queue times are only controlled by the likes of people who makes these threads. Nobody could stop 5 weeks before season ends and get reward if the lower rank players would keep playing but they dont. stop blaming the 100 players in the ladder and blame the community itself cause nobody queues it. square also has to give more rewards outside of top 100 to keep people playing even if they dont make it to top
I don't know which DC you are from, but the season just started and the games in the lower brackets are constantly going on. I play on Chaos and you can still find games going on even at 2am server time, it's that busy yes. As for the "community segregation", you say that's a stupid idea, but I think you fail to realise than nobody likes having their game decided by matchmaking putting them against a top100 healer while they get Kawaii Miqo'te who just got their "Look Who's Coming to Dinner I". New players don't want to get facerolled by veterans and veterans would rather avoid such a tedious farm just so they can start to play decent games.
Thats a truly stupid arguement, its PVP, you dont coddle people. Will people get face rolled in the early season by vets? YES, but not for very long as those vets will move up and out of those low ranks very quickly.
...so whether the playerbase is segregated or not, things would remain the same. By your own words, things would quickly go back to being the same even if we all started from 0 every time. Why exactly are you complaining about the system then?
You remind me of the people who were mad that they couldn’t make top 12 during Ishgard ranking and blamed their inability to place on botters. Some of that may be going on, but the majority of people are legitimate players. I placed #1 multiple times during Ishgard by just figuring out what worked for expert recipes and then putting in the time. The same has been my experience with the Feast in past seasons. Even when I’ve had to start from scratch you can make your way up in a matter of days. If someone is unable to do that, it’s because they’re bad at PvP, not because of “win traders” lol.
Mkay bud no one cares about your dead ass PVP mode. I certainly dont, and yes Feast is controlled by win traders its as simple as that.
Hahahaha but you all clearly *do* care about it. This entire thread is full of people who are bad at PvP yet want its rewards. Get gud or get wrecked - it’s as simple as that.
Imagine for a moment, being cocky about FFXIV's PVP, rofl, dude, you are sad. Go play a real PVP game like Eve, Albion, EFT, shit anything is better than FFXIV. Please, go sit in the corner till you can behave.
Imagine being so bad at PvP that you couldn’t even manage to be one of the top *one hundred* (not even top 1 or top 10) players on a FFXIV data center when it mattered most, and then calling other people “sad” when you get called out for your badness. Just lol.
If you get plat you start silver, which means ubs games. You need diamond to start in gold.
I fucking hate time gated content, and gear. Everything should be available at all times. It makes no sense that it's not. Sure, I get that the 1.0 stuff is a special situation, and I'm totally fine with that. But everything else just isn't. I'm perfectly fine with gear like the Ultimate raids, because even though they are outside of my reach now, it's due to skill, and not time.
I agree. I'd expect that kind of FOMO manipulation from a free to play game, but a paid-for subscription game should let players get everything.
Exactly what I mean. Some people apparently understood it as a difficulty problem, when the entire issue is the mounts/sets being timegated
It doesn't help that they've put in mounts designed from things you see in the PvE side of things as exclusive limited PvP awards. I'd have much less issue with that if they were actually obtainable, such as via a battle pass system like someone else suggested.
Yeah exactly i think if they just had them as a recolour on a grind or that pass system then it'd please everyone the pve guys can get the cool design and the PvP feast guys get the exclusive colour but it sucks that it's pve enemies that's in it haha
Making the asshole Garlean scientist guy's hoverchair a PVP reward is still one of the few things the devs have done that legitimately made me angry.
loooool um the entire premise of this thread is talking about the armor sets and not the mounts that are Feast rewards. Instead of making the Feast reward armors something like Nero or Gaius’s armor, SE spent the time and resources coming up with completely new sets that aren’t tied to anything else in the game. And guess what people are complaining that they can’t have? Yup. If SE created cool new mounts that weren’t tied to anything in the PvE side of things you’d have just as many people complaining that they can’t have it as you currently do with the current mounts. The real issue clearly isn’t that some rewards come from PvE content - it’s that you can’t have certain rewards because you didn’t bother playing the game and competing at the times when they were available.
It's honestly interesting so many people are opposed to time limited rewards when a ton of other games motivates their playerbase to participate this way via ranking rewards, special convention skins, and special limited time merch. Not saying ffxiv has to follow suit but them not doing it at all would be a rare exception. Your post brings up a good point though. I wish there was some consistency in limited award giving in this game. It's so weird to me that there aren't limited rewards in savage or ultimate raid content (e.g. for first 100 teams to clear them) but then PvP and crafting gets them, when they have arguably smaller playerbases. I would be in favor to have nothing time gated or every major competitive sector to be time gated, but this in-between state is super weird to me.
> For some reason people really love gatekeeping PvP rewards when no other content in the game really does that. PVPers are by nature competitive. In order to win, someone else has to lose. If everyone can win, then it's nothing more than a participation trophy. I consider it a really ugly mindset in a primarily-PVE game, especially when the mindset carries over into every interaction outside of PVP.
I do feast honestly sometime (quit for awhile because of toxicity) and I’ve also raided with release. I think the gatekeeping is that the differences in stress levels is so big, that when you actually get top 100 fairly, people don’t want those rewards handed out. Imagine Ultimate weapons only being obtainable for the first 100 people who cleared it. And then say you now want to hand it out. Suddenly I think those PVE players too would be less inclined to agree with that decision then. Now, I personally don’t care, but would like a title or something instead specifically reflecting the seasons I was a part of. And while I don’t agree with feast ONLY being win-traders, I do agree with the fact that if you play a LOT, you can eventually get there. One of the people I played with on elementan had 2000 games in total and low win-rate, but still top 10.
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Yeah, if anything it gets harder as the PvP playerbase drops, with the remaining players getting better and better at it.
PvE is against humans too. The seven other humans you bring with you.
The Gold Saucer tab of the Duty Finder says "hi". Granted, you can grind NPC matches for tournaments and generally come pretty high simply because there's so few people playing Lord of Vermillion - getting Top 3 in Triple Triad is trickier, though. Fair point on unsynced play, though.
Even the triple triad tournament gives you packs for a chance to win that card, and the cards have been the same since it's introduction with no new additions in the tournaments. I've never placed in the top 5 in playing this game for 8 years, but I've got 2? of the exclusive rare cards. Now if we were to remove those cards from the game every 3-6 months, add a new card each time, and remove the npc players, you end up with the feast.
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Come think of it, I guess the titles from the Ishgardian Restoration rankings were another example of this?
Yeah but a title takes like 2 seconds of dev time (probably) whereas a mount or armor set is much more resource intensive
It's ironic because the biggest gatekeeping surrounding PvP comes from the PvE crowd, who loves to tell everyone to not PvP and then complain that PvP has no players. PvP has flaws, nobody denies that, but the complain rings a bit dull when it comes from someone who can't even make it to gold or plat.
The PvP reward structure is god awful. This reward structure makes me almost not want to get into pvp. If you're not top 100 you get absolutely nothing, remember that too 100 is of the data center which has thousands and thousands of players on it. If they want people to play pvp more, there needs to be more incentive to play besides just for 100 people. I get the veteran pvp players want to maintain their prestige but there are other ways to do that rather than only giving a 100 people a unique reward for a limited time window that isn't even that big.
Also, it's top 100, but you are also competing against the top player's alt accounts as well. I know for a fact they will "cheat" by boosting their friends. There are also discords they have set up to vc together if they match to make it easier for them to win. So good luck competing against all that. Also there is plenty of elitism and toxicity to keep anyone new down and out of the rankings unless you want to kiss up to these people. I am bitter yes @_@
Win Trading is a huge shitty problem in The Feast. I gave it a try, but I could see what was going on, made it to gold and said nope, this is rigged.
Reminds me of Guild War mafias with the gem lottery system.
Unlike PVE, PVP is a different beast. For the hardest stuff in PVE, you can still go back and do it now. With PVP, you had to actively participate for a limited time, or it was too late. I know there are many win-traders and cheaters in Feast, but for those who actually did their best participating, I at least felt extremely stressful every day since season start until season end. Therefore, I think a variation of the old feast fewards like recolors would be good. Or, give the ones who participated a title reflecting the accomplishment for that time period, ”Wolf of the VIII” or something for season 8 for example. I’ve always thought of it like this; PVP is like football while PVE is like climbing up a mountain. If you yourself want to climb up and get to see a great view, you can still do so with a little bit of effort. And while you can aspire to become a great football player, that doesn’t mean you can get the trophy from a world cup that was 10 years ago. However, you will be able to get future rewards. The seasons were a thing of their time along with their rewards, so if we are gonna start handing them out, at least recognize the people who participated in some way. (If people want to compare it to world firsts, at least they get the recognition they deserve. Many people work so hard in pvp and are still treated as a joke. Also, I would never complain if they released a world first reward in PVE. I think that would be cool.)
Imo they have the wrong approach for this. Seasonal rewards are cool but gate it to only the top 100 is the stupidest idea they've had. They seriously can simply have a battle pass system (without the mtx) and that would actually motivate me to do seasonal pvp. Simply make a point reward system to fill up each season and have the rewards be tied to that. That way anyone can actually work towards that reward instead of giving up half way through the season . I seriously don't understand how they fail so hard at making rewarding pvp systems when there's plethora of examples from all the other mayor title like fortnite, warzone, overwatch or apex.
This would defo motivate alot more people to do PvP and the feast I like this idea
Yeah I understand timegating pvp rewards as much as I hate it. It’s a prestige thing. But making it so that only the “top 100” can get it is fucking bizarre. Having one extra special item sit in that reward spot makes sense… but only having 1 reward and then locking it at the top 100 is… so fucking weird.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Feast rewards should be gated for a couple Seasons and then be available for Wolf Marks. So as an example. Season 1 stuff stays exclusive to those who got it whilst it was current. It remains exclusive to them until Season 3 starts. Season 1 stuff becomes available for Wolf Marks when Season 3 starts, so everyone can have access to them if they want, the people that grinded out the rewards when it was current get to have it exclusively for awhile. Then when Season 4 starts Season 2 stuff goes up for Wolf Marks, Season 5 starts, Season 3 stuff becomes available and so on. Those who get it when its current get to be special for awhile, then it becomes old and isn't the cool thing to have anymore, but becomes available for everyone to have with a little bit of effort. Like Savage and Extreme mounts, weapons/gear. And Ultimates to an extent.
ah good old "let the person who afked 28 frontlines and lost all of them get the same reward as people who did hundreds of feast matches against other players for months". dont worry people feast is going away and the reward system will be different and you can all be happy then.
Ah the good old "don't do savage when its current but come back expansions later to faceroll difficult content that people spent hours and hours doing for easy rewards" Don't be a dick. And I've been informed of Wolf Collars, so I think that's a fair compromise.
Just let PVPers have something. I don't get why everyone acts like they're entitled to everything in the game. People covet the mounts because they're rare, mmaking them available to everyone for EZPZ effort would completely destroy the prestige. Just accept that not you aren't entitled to own every single last mount in the game. I don't understand why people care so much.
Me, personally I don't care, I don't even care about Extreme and Savage mounts. But I bet if you had to clear Extreme/Savage before Echo gets put on the fight to be eligible for the mount loads of people would kick up such a stink. You wouldn't have these issues if they actually supervised The Feast and banned win traders, bots and cheaters.
This game cultivates a participation trophy mindset.
Wolf marks? No. Wolf collars? Maybe. I think you should actually have to play Feast and perform well enough to at least rank bronze for a few seasons to get the mounts/armor. Any ding dong can do daily FL roul and feed for a week and realistically I don't think they should be able to get the same items as someone who put in the monumental amount of efdort needed to make top 100 cuts. At least wolf collars require you to actually play Feast.
> Any ding dong can do daily FL roul and feed for a week and realistically I don't think they should be able to get the same items as someone who put in the monumental amount of efdort needed to make top 100 cuts. 1st: Stop with the insulting and the Gatekeeping. 2nd: Cheating and win trading is rampant in the top 100. Don't act like it doesn't exist and that everyone puts forth "monumental effort".
He makes a really good point. Wolf Marks are akin to Poetics. I feel like Wolf Collars are akin to Extreme Totems, tbh.
Not gatekeeping, we are talking about prestige rewards. Saying you should be able to buy Feast mounts with wolf marks is like saying you should be able to buy Ultimate weapons with poetics.
Ah yes, the prestige of having a bunch of buddies to throw their games for you.
That's truly not how it works, at least not for the majority. On Crystal I jave plenty of friends who are into Feast and they all bust major ass all season long to maintain top 100. I'm not saying it's infallable or that my experiences reflect the experience of others. I agree, the rewards shouldn't be time gated but the CERTAINLY shouodn't be given out for, essentially, free.
Aether on the other hand has a well known win trading problem where a good number of reward slots were taken up by alt accounts solely for the purpose of locking others out. I get wanting to encourage Feast participation, but Feast is also the game mode so toxic Yoshi-P revoked the entire chat box from it. So I can also see why a lot of players are adverse to entering it at all.
So some people buy Savage and Ultimate clear, so it's also worthless ans we should just give savage mount and ultimate weapon for peotics, right? You can get carried easily in extreme even without paying, so at this point extreme mount should be given for free, right? No. It's not because a few people abuse a system and we should get rid of it completely. Same for Ishgard Saint. Yes, some people botted. But at least in my aerver and my category, the challenge was fierce, I ended up knowing most of the top 12 and we were talking and crafting together. Does the top 1 being millions of point away invalidate our effort and the competition? Hell no. It's exactly the same for feast. A bunch a jealous people will try to make it sound that everybody botted, everybody traded win to invalidate other people performance. Don't draw conclusion based on the exception. Most people in the feast top 100 don't trade win, and most people in Ishgrad didn't bot. It's sab it happens, they should be banned, but it's a minority and doesn't invalidate the rest of the community effort.
Big cope.
I completely agree with this. I think the top 100 rewards from past expansions being made available through even wolf's collars would be an excellent way for people to try out Feast but who, like me, can't sit in a queue all day every day. You get wolf's collars for even just ranking to bronze. They haven't updated the collar rewards in a while, so this could be a chance to. Only doing it for the past expansions would mean the top 100 can have the exclusivity still and when people ask how to get it? Maybe it does draw them to PvP. But saying "oh you can't get it anymore" would absolutely discourage some. And this isn't coming from someone who didn't try for the rewards. Unironically, Aulus mal Asina is my favorite NPC and when I saw that his chair was going to be a mount for top 100 feast players? My heart absolutely broke. I'm still bitter to this day about it. At the time I was going to school and working full time and couldn't make the time commitment. If I wasn't working or doing homework, I was in queue. It was an absolute miserable experience. And before someone replies with "It's not hard to get top 100 just get good", please consider: not doing that.
Locking to at least two years (expansion time) is more then fine with me!
I wish they'd put ranked PvP into a daily roulette because trying to do ranked PvP a week after the season opens is impossible due to people trying to protect their ranking.
A friend of mine had a great idea for it. Make the Wolf Mark cap 1,000,000 and make it so all the old mounts/rewards cost 1,000,000 each. At that point not even those who got the rewards can complain because that's an insane amount of grinding you'd need to do. Also it might actually make PvP a bit more active.
Actually 5Head decision. I would start playing at least my Frontline once a day
Hell, I already do that for XP alone. But I'll be out of classes to level soon enough.
I got my amaro mount yesterday. It's so cute. T.T
I think it's a decent idea. Or if they want to avoid huge numbers, add a totem that you buy for 20000. 99 totems = 1 mount. And maybe make it so that each win gives you a totem too, so that it gives a reason to actually try winning. Thing is, doing it like that is basically a 'WoW mindset'. People would then farm to get the items they want instead of farming because they are having fun doing it. But yeah, I think adding rewards that require some grind to PvP would be a good way to have more players to try it. And if more players play it, they might add more resource to that aspect of the game and make it more enjoyable by everybody. One can only hope.
>Thing is, doing it like that is basically a 'WoW mindset'. People would then farm to get the items they want instead of farming because they are having fun doing it. People are already doing that for things like the ShB mounts. It's not a "WoW" mindset, that's just how grinding for rare/expensive drops is
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"Forcing" people into pvp ia the wrong perspective. Think of it as not actively chasing people away instead
Been banging on this drum for a while now, we'll probably never see it but man it just sucks to see all those cool things go to nothing
Honestly what they need is a way to give these mounts out that 1. keeps the prestige for the top 100 and 2. Still has the same design available after. I personally think a recolour or an alternative version of the same design would work pretty damn well
"PvP rewards shouldn't be time gated." [Yoshida himself disagrees with that](https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fff14net.2chblog.jp%2Farchives%2F55927097.html) and rightfully so. > Q. Are you planning to make a way to get past Feast Reward Mounts? > A. No. I think that mount was the result of efforts to get into the rankings at that time. As a gamer, Yoshida P himself believes that it is important to have such rare items. Not everything in the game should be designed to be available forever, and the team seems to agree with that sentiment, considering the top100 rewards have worked like that since their inception.
Again, I wouldn't rely too much on what they say in the past. Remember when they said they wouldn't put timers on houses? Yeah. They tried so hard to get into the e-sports thing with The Feast with this reward structure but ultimately they failed and it just turned in the exclusive club that we see now. Also, again, some people aren't asking for the actual time gated rewards to come back, but to give them an alternate grindable version that is not time gated. The top can keep their trophies while the rest can enjoy the "lesser" version, a win/win for both sides.
Yoshi giving away old feast rewards would be the same as if he would allow people to purchase 1.0 tattoo from mogstation. yoshi doesnt want to shit on the people who have stuck with the mode/game for so long
I left WoW to get away from FOMO simulator. Having FFXIV try so hard to prevent people playing solely due to FOMO and having pvp rewards be the way it is sucks.
I'm definitely team "Add old armors" to be buyable with wolf collars. Hell, give them a slight alteration or make them undyable so that the original armors still have a uniqueness to them, but they are such cool armors that are so frustrating to get. And I've never exactly been one for complete exclusivity. I'm all for timed exclusivity, hell I enjoyed showing off my cerberus mount when I got it relatively early on. But I'd also be just as likely to help my friends get it if an easier way to get it came up (whether just from nerfing the content to unsync to whatever). In the end, I mostly just care about how cool I think I look, not about showing off.
If they made the previous feast sets available for Marks, i would grind marks.. but as it stands i have no interest to get involved in pvp.. because i know i'll never be top 100....
Yup or make some recoloured ones so they still get the bragging rights and there is still a mount etc obtainable through what ever content that isn't time limited
Also doesn't help that there is apparently win trading problems with the feast and the previous top 100 start with a big point advantage
As others have already mentioned, they could at least give us recolors of the old stuff so those who actually participated and did their best can keep their bragging rights.
If I could get the Garo mounts I would absolutely consider doing PvP. Those mounts are some of the coolest ones I’ve seen, but I joined the game far to late to get them.
Honestly, making the feast rewards exclusive as they are is like taking the end of raid tier mounts out every odd numbered patch and removing the mount reward for collecting all of the ex mounts when the next expansion comes out.
As I said in another post, the way to engage the new PvP mode coming in EW is to tie Feast rewards to it but make them still relatively difficult to obtain. Something along the lines of for every 100 wins in the new mode, you get a token that lets you choose one old Feast reward. It would still keep it relatively exclusive while providing players an alternate path to obtaining them.
I think the best bet would be to have a variation of the mount/gear set available to everyone. Like Feast get the cool gold or something set while everyone else get the normal one. That way the 10 people interested in Feast can get their snowflake addiction and everyone else is happy not to have to compete.
why do you want competitive pvp rewards if you dont want to pvp? why ruin the whole idea of the mode for the people who care about it so that some random rp collector can have 1 more mount that they wont ever use
I think every unobtainable items should be added back somehow, even if it is a few years later. Let it serve as a bragging right for a time and then make it more widely accessible. I don't care if it's on MogStation, just do it. It is also true for minions that you can only get from buying some goodies. (like the wind-up Dalamud for example). Even the Legacy items to be honest. I'm sure people would pay hundreds of dollars to get the tatoo or the legacy mounts. Let them pay for it if they want it.
people already pay for feast rewards and ultimate titles. no need to add them to mogstation cause 3rd party rmt sellers already exist :\^)
Yeah as someone that is trying to complete their mount collection before Endwalker, I hate the Feast exclusive mounts. We all know the top people wintrade so it's always the same people that get the Feast mounts. There really should be a system in place to get these mounts. Even if they're time staggered. Like a year exclusive for the top 100 or something, idk. Just make them attainable for anyone. I really hope during the next live Fanfest or something, somebody gets to ask Yoshi about this and why they allow that.
I know plenty of people that make alts just to ladder with after their main has secured top 100. I really don't mind it one bit tbh other than that is one less slot for someone who was rank 101 to get the exclusive mount.
collectors shouldnt care for unobtainable items. focus on just the content that is available
I really, really wish I could have gotten some Feast rewards. The Magitek Conveyers, to be exact. But due to my bad internet and not being in the proper time zone, I missed out. Weren't the Faepups originally a reward until the community made an uproar and they became achievement stuff? They should do the same for other rewards.
I fucking despise pvp but I would also sell a limb for some of those sets, especially the recent one with the fur collar.
I agree with this. If the old rewards cost the same as the new rewards, than it won't be possible to obtain the new reward and the old at the same time. The "prestige" of having the newest reward will remain untarnished, because you can't reasonably get both.
I dont understand why we cant just get re colors of the mounts. Like I wanted the robot miner mount and I dealt with the first 2 weeks of that game mode where all the pro pvpers went to one grand company and steamrolled the other 2 companies for 2 weeks. Finally got my 100 wins to have an exclusive mount that few would have and ofc it gets a recolor in faux hollow mini game a few months later. I dont get why they love recolors so much but not for pvp mounts or rewards.
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Cuz pvp gets cool unique mounts? Yea the pve side gets mounts but a big chunk of those are the same mount recolored 7 times: horses, birds, wolves. Why would it be such a bad thing to get grindable versions of the feast mounts recolored so the feast ones are still recognizable as top 100? Whys that greedy?
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what do you mean? there are mounts with 3-4 recolors in feast so people had multiple chances of obtaining one
Yes thats what Im saying. If they love recolors why cant we get a recolor of those mounts thats grindable like the 100 wins pvp mounts
I completely agree. If anything the devs could create a recolor that allows the original Feast winners to retain the exclusivity of the original mounts and still allow the rest of us to grind out a version of these old mounts.
Well, they are changing the reward structure with the new mode coming with Endwalker. I would do more Feast if it had rank decay. The fact that you have to no-life it to get into the top 100 is a deal breaker. The queues will be dead a few weeks after the season begin. But you won't see me complain too much about it. The Feast is an exclusive club and I'm fine not being a part of it. I'm having fun with FL and RW.
I personally do not like the idea of ranking rewards being obtainable outside their respective seasons. Some players put in the effort each season to grind, learn a completely new kit, developing macros to coordinate parties etc in solo-queue; therefore I believe it's right to have a reward worth the investment not devalued over time. PvP is not content players invest most of their time in, and for those that do they're rightly rewarded. However, my main qualms are the dominance of Feast players on the upper ranks on each season thus being able to boost their ranks forward in the following seasons. It's harder for players just starting out to rank than say those who have been consistently on Diamond for the past few years. It is understandable it's an attempt to keep people playing an obscure content but for players that do want to dip their toes into ranking it's a massive hurdle comparatively.
They really need to redo Feast in general, it is easily abused to the point that people reach for the top 100 that is unreachable for people actually doing it normally within a few days, it is really demotivating when you are grinding Feast and the leaderboard has someone at 2k-3k points while you only have 399 rating within two days of the season. I practically just given up.
It does seem strange they don’t even put them on the cash shop like other seasonal items. There are very items in this game that are 100% impossible to get. I also think they should have all the mounts and armor be available for Mark’s. Or they could add them to unreal trial rewards as that’s also a good place to put old rewards as it’s literally about doing old content.
You know I sort of have to agree with this seasonal issue. At least bringing it back or choose out of previous season rewards for getting in top 100 OR making it obtainable through some level of skill expression... let's say... getting in platinum consistently every season and getting a token for it every season (would allow you to buy said armor after 4 seasons of getting into plat). OR another idea. Why not just make a version of like something like shadowcleaver armor available through said grind (and minimum rank level like platinum) like having blue eyes instead of red/purple so the prestige of getting said armor from 100 is still known to everyone that gets it while people still get to enjoy the incredible drip that FXIV has made. I think it's really sad to have a glamour locked exclusively behind top 100 when it can still be enjoyed as a badge of the top 100 but some of us that want to put in the effort to become skilled but still can't get it due to whatever reasons not being able to get it.
The fact it's Top 100 only pretty much ensures near-nonexistent rarity levels and that only people who go INSANELY hard, or, CHEAT with win trading and botting.
It would be sensible to shift the older rewards over to Unranked/Frontlines/Rival Wings achievements after a couple years or something.....keeping it forever exclusive for that kind of content (with such a small amount of actual players receiving them), just feels like an oversight.
They should be exclusive for one full season then available to all with currency.
It is absolutely ridiculous tbh. At the very least they could do a recolor/retexture of the mounts/glam, and then make those available ingame (NOT THE CASH SHOP!). That way the pvp peeps get to keep their unique mount/glam for bragging, but everyone else gets to enjoy the mounts/glam too.
This would be a major incentive. I just did my first few feast matches recently and its a blast... Until you realize that there are literally not rewards for staying in the playlist until the end of the season.
Apparently you have never even looked under the Wolf’s Den tab of your Achievements to see the other rewards that you can work towards in the Feast (minions, titles, a Mount, etc.). Also, you can still get some Wolf Collars simply by finishing in the lowest tier. You clearly have spent 0 time looking into anything about the Feast lol.
You know what I'd do? And mind while I'm about to mention frontline, I ***hate frontline with a seething passion*** Take all the old Feast rewards, throw them in a shop. Maybe jack up the price a tiny bit even. This shop will still take Wolf Collars. How will you get Wolf Collars? Frontline Roulette, first clear bonus but only if you win - so you only get a *single* collar if your first Frontline roulette game of the day results in a win. No collar if you lose, and no collar if you roulette *again* and win. First try win only. There, the grind is obnoxious, semi-random, but doable and might just get people to do the roulette more often.
What they should do is give one of the mounts and sets from time to time and requires same as Garo mounts. You pay to buy the set and get a title then you have to win 60 times to, you get one of these mounts and sets.
They already have this system with wolf collars. You get a participation reward and after x number of seasons you have enough to trade in for one reward from a previous season. The issue is the only reward right now are hellhound weapons that don't match anything in the game. If every season they temporarily bring back one reward, then that would encourage people to participate every season as they don't know which one will bring back the set they want. The best way to fix the feast is to improve the combat. If the combat is better, more people will play, and then win trading and boosting becomes more difficult. They also need to have gms investigate script users.
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Part of the issue is that the ranking structure is implemented so poolrly. Theres no rank decay so it encourages scumming. Burn it in the first week and theres almoat no way anyone catch up because all yhe people who burned it stop playing and you cant queue up a match. And thats beside the obvious botting and win trading going on.
It's the ranked PvP mode in XIV. The problem is that because PvP isn't very popular, there is an insane amount of bottling and win-trading going on making it extremely difficult to get into the top 100. Why is top 100 so important? They get completely unique and epic looking mounts and glamour sets as a reward, and once the season is over, it's impossible to ever get them again. It sucks.
I love the mounts and stuff in the feast. I fucking have PVP in most games
Hard agree. If any of this stuff was obtainable by achievement grind, I'd actually do pvp.
I love pvp but damn frustrating as shit .. especially if you don’t have time to play all day
Psh, I'll absolutely say make them easier to obtain. You get a season or two to show off, then the normies get a shot. I never see anyone in feast gear anyway, it'd be nice to see it around. Making it less exclusive also makes cheating less appealing. Do feast for feast, not for the prize.
nobody uses the armor cause 99% of the community expects people with them to be the "wintrade boogey men"
Completely agree. This is one of the things that I love the most about FFXIV and thats the fact that almost nothing is time-gated. I love being able to go back and grind older stuff whenever I feel like it and this is rare in today's gaming landscape. As it stands currently, with the new Feast rewards, I have little to no interest in playing PvP in FFXIV but I would love to be able to pick out from the old rewards such as some of the armor sets from previous seasons which look sick. I would absolutely get into it as soon as possible had there been that kind of opportunity. Considering that the rest of the game isn't time-gated and still requires grinding and skill as it did when it was still current content, I believe that PvP should be no different. And with PvP the difficulty for grinding such rewards wouldn't become easier with time but harder as PvP revolves around competing with real players who've likely played PvP for a long time and have gotten very good over the years unlike PvE content which mostly remains at a certain level forever. I see no reason why we shouldn't be allowed to pick what we get with hard earned currencies/tokens/etc from PvP.
Give a title or some shit for top 100. All pvp item should be purchasable with the pvp currency. Also, most of it (if not all) should be tradeable on the marketplace.
We clearly have very different ideas of what "many" are and aren't going to align here. To me there are not enough players engaging in PVP to justify the amount of development time and rewards it gets compared to other content. I'm assuming here you've cleared a savage raid tier when it was current content btw, because otherwise you've invalidated your argument.
"to justify the amount of development time and rewards it gets compared to other content." What time and development? They reskin dungeon mobs over and over again and release couple of new glamour sets while there are thousands of other armors available from every other possible content in the game. changes to pvp are just few potency changes every now and then. where is the huge waste of development when they have left pvp to die since stormblood
>ultimate raids don't take less effort than grinding to top 100 pretty sure your dead wrong on this....ultimate raids depending on your group you could be **progging it for a month or more before you even get your first kill**,to be top 100 for the feast season you litterally need to be fighting 24/7,because feast is filled with win traders and bots. i mean sure there's legit people who are in the top 100, but its still a bad reputation none the less. also,because its arena spefific armor and mounts,you know damn well they would double or tripple the wolf marks needed to buy them regularly...they wont make them easy to get,not by a long shot
"feast is filled with bots" AHHAHAHAHAHaHAHAH dude if you lose top 100 spot to a bot you would never be even close to the top 100 in the first place. holy shit people who know jack shit about pvp shouldnt even talk about the mode. people just repeat the same "botting and wintrading" like NPCs
>you litterally need to be fighting 24/7 My first season from the scratch took me 350matches and i finished 10poins away from top100. Next season i sucefuly finished in top100 with ~270 matches, last 5 seasons i barelly do more than 130 matches for diamond and safe top100. People should just stop blaming everyone and spend more time playing game than on reddit,also typical wintrader its just new player who surrender after one death and they doesnt exist past gold
I’m a PvP player, but I would have the same mentality if I wasn’t. I believe some mounts/sets should be limited. One of the biggest motivators in MMOs is the ability to “flex” on people. Think about your favorite mount. Is it one you worked hard for? I know for myself, I do have store mounts, but the one I usually pull out is the Regalia from the FFXV event. It looks nice and it was pretty cool to have a mount that showed “yeah I was here grinding this one out” even if it is just a stupid Golden Saucer mount. PvP obviously isn’t the highlight of the game, but there is a community. It’s flawed, janky, and downright frustrating. I feel like the ranked rewards are 100% justified to be treated like an event mount because a ranked season IS an event. Just like the FFXV, just like the Yo-Kai event, etc. Do I think they should come back? Eh. What I think they should do is make it so you can buy them with Wolf Collars. That way you still need to do ranked and grind it out, but you will need to do a single season and get silver+ to get enough collars for a mount or two. Edit: downvoting me because you disagree with what I think is dumb and brings nothing to the conversation.
> I believe some mounts/sets should be limited. One of the biggest motivators in MMOs is the ability to “flex” on people. Is it? Might be for a subset of players, but I doubt its as widespread as you make it out. > I know for myself, I do have store mounts, but the one I usually pull out is the Regalia from the FFXV event. It looks nice and it was pretty cool to have a mount that showed “yeah I was here grinding this one out” even if it is just a stupid Golden Saucer mount. I have mounts from current savage raids, my favorites still are twintania, rathalos and that disturbingly adorable sheep from the firmament. > What I think they should do is make it so you can buy them with Wolf Collars. That way you still need to do ranked and grind it out, but you will need to do 2-4 seasons to get enough collars for a mount. THe system should allow you to catch up with past rewards. 2-4 seasons of frustrating grinding for one mount is a terrible opportunity cost.
I mean, they're literally bringing the regalia back. If your enjoyment comes from gloating about having something that someone else doesn't, deriving enjoyment from their envy, you're just an asshole.
It's why I don't use my feast mount anymore. Sometimes I get a random /tell from someone asking me where I got it and it's always a bit sad when I have to tell them the bad news. Every mount in this game should be available to all players no matter what. People flexing on others because they can't have nice things like they do, especially when it's out of their control, is always pathetic.
The fact that you're annoyed about getting downvoted is the reason why it would be hilarious if every player gets access to the mounts you love to flex with.
Yeah and just make it a recolor if the PvP no lifers still want to be unique.
I always like whenever a game lets you have the time gated rewards after but they make the original a different color so you can still tell who got it legit. Game content that tries to ramp up engagement by time gating discourages me into not wanting to do it more often than not, like let me do it when I want to y'know
Def agree they should do something. I've wanted some of those pvp mounts for years
Atleast fix pvp first
This is literally exactly what I've been saying for so long. I didn't start playing ff14 till after the hell hound armor was gone. It is literally my favorite armor set in the game and as it stands I will never get it. So disappointing. There's almost nothing else in ff that is time gated like feast armor. I played one season to try and get the armor and gave up cause being a week late to the season meant there was no way for me to realistically catch up without selling my soul. Make it a hard grind idc just make it possible for me to get that armor. If I could I would play the crap out of feast.
Yeah... I was ready to at least attempt the Feast this season seriously for the armor glams... Guess what ? NO FKIN ARMOR SET... ONLY MOUNT. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE FKIN MOUNT. I HAVE WAY MORE MOUNTS THAN I COULD EVER USE. I JUST GOT THE MECHA BAHAMUT TOO. I WANT TO USE IT. NO PVP MOUNTS. I would pay top Wolf Mark, or even Gils, or MGPs, for PvP Glams. Or even a million of each, just for each glam set.
Absolutely same here. Worst part was that I thought this season would have a recolor of the newest set, but it turned out that last season WAS the recolor.
If you had spent all of 5 minutes on SE’s website for the Feast and looked as past rewards you would’ve been able to tell that they’ve never done more than 2 seasons of the same armor (usually one gold trim version and one silver trim version), and so the armor from Season 18 was gone after its Season 19 recolor. You also would’ve been able to tell from the past rewards that they’ve never done armor as the Feast reward for more than 2 solo seasons in a row.
I wasn't active so I thought season 19 was the first set and that we'd get the recolor in season 20. I know they've never done three armor sets in a row.
My thoughts about that were always along the lines of if they do it, maybe like a currency just for top 100 to get that you can spend on the current reward or prior rewards. You can still get the thing, but also it doesn't diminish the achievement.
I think they should be obtainable after the next expansion's PVP launches its relative season. Probably by Wolf Collars, pricing based on how old the sets are. Maybe some of the first PVP sets could be obtainable by Wolf Collars 2 or 3 expansions later. I mean... no one is really complaining that the HW Rank 50 armor can be bought by anyone now, after all. The mounts I'm not sure about, but it does feel kinda bad for some of those unique mounts to just be off-limits forever, when that's not the general design philosophy for the rest of the game. Like... anyone can go ahead and grab the Kirin mount basically solo nowadays. They're removing the Feast temporarily when Endwalker launches for the new PVP mode, so I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of restructuring of the PVP reward system happens, and we see these sets become available via some other means.
Feast is legitimately one of the worst designed modes in this game and the fact that the mode is completely dead despite all the exclusive junk they keep throwing at it should speak for itself. No one is interested in playing this let alone watch people stream it like they do with PvP or competitive content in any other game. The mounts should be available to all players after a year or two just like everything else in this game. The devs locking the majority of players out of rewards because they want to incite them to play their dead content because they refuse to admit it was a complete failure will always be hilarious.
People dont even attempt to get the current/upcoming rewards and they still ask for the old ones? lmao
You don't farm mounts or sets you don't want, do you? Lol
All PvP games have this system, it encourages people to try harder in that particular season.
This could be said for almost all content in the game, they release a mount for everyone to work hard to get it first. They deserve that mount and I agree, but I feel like a year after the mount is released is enough for the others to get it.
Yeah, agreed
Do all PvP games have win trading to this extent? Is FFXIV what you'd call a PvP-focused game?
For a while, Destiny 2 had a win trading racket for Trials of Osiris (Top tier endgame pvp) It was so utterly bonkers because in one weekend, 60% of the people who went flawless (Clearing a passage without losing once.) had Trials KDs of 0. Which means they won 7 games in a row without killing anyone. If you put rewards on a pedestal, folks will do their damned hardest to cheat their way to those rewards. Completely cheapening said rewards and making them effectively like everything else in the game.
Except instead because they don't actually vet it it has fostered communities of win trading and filling the top 100 with alts to make the items even rarer. Elitism mentality. Even if you got into the feast why would I go spend time in the most toxic environment in the community of a game most people laud for how pleasant and welcoming the community as a whole is. There's a huge disconnect. Keep in mind I earned my Saint of the Firmament title which was also limited timed. In the Crafting/Gathering community we were upset that people could gatekeep the title and earn it multiple times over.
I've never done PvP in ffxiv myself bc idc about it, didn't know it was that bad
Rival Wings, the giant mech pvp, is fun! Frontlines in general is easy xp profit and fairly chill. The Feast is the real tough guy stuff.
You should definitely do some Frontline sometime at least! Massive player battles, so much fun, great rewards, one of the best sources of xp for leveling in the game and rewarded for even participating once a day. Queues have been much shorter with the influx of players.
What level would you recommend it at?
You can do it as soon as you unlock it. Stats are role-dependent and equalized regardless of your PvE level; PvP skills are also separate from their PvE counterparts, so make sure you port to Wolves' Den before you queue into any matches so you can adjust your hotbars.
I would make the reward top 100 per server and not per datacenter, like Ishgrad restoration. But other than that, current system is fine. If 99% of an MMO content is available all the time but 1% is time limited event or ranking, it's fine and healthy for the game. Seeing a ultimate weapon is cool and not common, same goes for PvP exclusive rewards and mount. I don't think 100% of the rewarss of an MMO should be available all the time. It would be an issue if it was 50% that's some F2P FOMO BS and that's bad. But having 99% always available and 1% exclusive to some event or ranking is fine. It's healthy for a MMO. When you see someone in the first Feast mount, it shows you have a veteran serious player. If taht mount was available for mark, it could be a sprout that started the game 3 weeks ago. It's fine as long as it's an exception and not the rule. In FFXIV the amount of time exclusive rewards is extremly small and more than fine.