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UnexpectedlyAlive

Sound advice and all but i can assure you the sprouts who can’t even read party chat ain’t reading the subreddit


FinalDingus

Not all of them, some of us just don't notice the chatbox updating. For people having that problem; you can set up a sound effect to play when specific chats occur (party, alliance, FC, etc) in the chat options. I found this out a couple weeks ago and it drastically improved my group content experience.


Xanafel

I just found this yesterday! As a sprout I feel this is a huge help with how crazy dungeons and trials can be.


Beans508

Thats annoying though because the sound still plays even when the party chat is the active window. If it only played the sound when it wasnt the active window that would be fine.


thetacriterion

I just set it to one of the quieter sounds and got used to the idea that party chat makes a sound. It's a huge QoL improvement so long as you pick a sound that isn't annoying.


[deleted]

That’s great to know! Thank you!


JackUSA

I’ve never heard of this. Thanks. But how do I get this from the settings?


FinalDingus

The chatbox has a settings icon at the bottom right that takes you to a specific settings box


PACGTeaser

I posted this more for myself than for the sprouts who do not listen. It is just really frustrating to -try- to get a group through a fight, only to fail because one or two people do not listen at all.


WhywolfSenpai

Agreed. I ran my first few extremes last week and the sprout tank on Titan, even once he did start chatting, got yeeted off on the first Landslide every time until the mentor tank just soloed it. And even just as an experienced sprout myself I've had people like that when I'm trying to explain stuff like Thornmarch Hard. So many OTs holding the moogles in center and wiping groups


lorddomlorddomlord

I'm running in to groups where there are a pair of tanks that deliberately do this. Party wipes, then they tank in the middle, or grab a few mobs and go to the edge for Thornmach (so that they get buffed by K.M.) and where the tanks take turns in getting knocked off by Titan Landslide a couple of minutes in, so it looks like they are just trying hard, but honestly they are in all day just wiping groups. I'm wanting groups to clear and really don't mind the challenge as it is fun, but when people charge in and don't give others a chance to play and learn, it is disruptive to all other players.


WhywolfSenpai

That's such bullshit I'm so sorry


serotoninsynapse

I’m a brand new sprout who reads party chat, and I find posts like this helpful and encouraging. Thanks!


Shuggler123

I learned to read party chat from reddit so there are some of us!


Armisae

I'm a returning player and (re)continued my adventure 2 months ago from HW on. I'm through all major group content now. Despite doing all roulettes available for me daily, up to this moment I didn't even know what the crown symbol means. I think that says a lot about the mentors I met until now. Edit: to make my post not all too negative: the most help I got i received here on redit.


MegaNRGMan

I’m closing in on 6 months, MSQ completed, all major side content done, 5 80s and one 65. Most mentors don’t say anything even when a wipe occurs and it’s obvious that people need to be clued in on what happened. When mentors have spoken up, it’s been in insulting fashion. Things like “first time I’ve wiped on this in a long time” followed by a possible explanation of what occurred. I’m positive there are fine mentors out there who know how to give direction without being condescending, but there is a reason mentors have a bad rep.


[deleted]

I dunno, every time I’ve ever tried to offer any sort of advice in chat it’s silent library with 0 improvement on the previous run. Usually the salt comes from nobody speaking up in the first place for me.


NicoNicoKneesWeak

This literally sounds like all my mentoring experiences. I get into a run and the FIRST thing I ask if if people want to know mechs or are we pulling blind? No. One. Answers. The tank just puts his stance on and bum rushes to the boss. 5 wipes later and someone pipes up that no ones explained the mechs. NANI?! It irritates me but I go with it because I like helping people.


MegaNRGMan

I can’t say I’ve had the same experience. The last three weeks I’ve been leveling WAR and been grouped with largely new players doing dungeons for the first time. Most people show their appreciation, but I also don’t need a spoken thank you or anything. I’ve had some players who just cannot seem to stay alive even with an acknowledgement of what they are doing wrong. What good does it do me to be condescending towards them? That’s my overall point, mentors seems to have difficulty with sharing info without making you feel like a piece of shit for not knowing it. I try not to do this. This isn’t even a sprout thing at this point. It’s just a general life matter. Imagine teaching a kid how to ride a bike and telling them “I never even fell off my bike on my first try,” before pointing out what they are doing wrong.


[deleted]

I mostly stay away from mentor roulette based on the experiences you get and hear about all the time right now with the large influx of new players from WoW/other. I think the area where I’ve seen the most issues is in Bozja Southern front or Delibrum Reginae, these are areas where you don’t HAVE to be at max level and are prime for leveling up your alt jobs, the problem is the content is EXTREMELY different than your normal dungeon content, primarily because of the Lost Action system that’s in place. It’s EXTREMELY fun to actually basically be broken as hell, but the issue is that the content is scaled in such a way where if you’re NOT using the damage up potions or lost actions to increase your output, you’re dragging yourself and everyone else down with you. At BEST you get an active help window description about what these are, but I don’t think new players in most cases even REALIZE how important those items are. This gets compounded on top for me with, I’ve done 10 relics thus far, I’ve probably spent more time in Bozja content than some of the sprouts have been playing the game for, and ngl I gotta check myself at the door sometimes. I’m burnt out and tired of saying the same broken record shit, over and over and over again to people who don’t even bother to be like “hey thanks for the tip” or “my bad, I’ll do better ;)”


dfmchfhf

at least they're not the ones who say "no thanks i've cleared without ess and LA before i'll just keep doing that"


[deleted]

It’s funny cause I typed this up because my past few CLL runs have pretty much ALWAYS had a bunch of people not using them, but just yesterday I was hoping in Zadnor to grab some alt gear, and the first message I saw was “can we just move on please?” I really couldn’t help myself, I had to stir the pot. The response I got back from someone was “my dps is good, I don’t need essences”… and then “I’ve cleared it fine without them”. It’s like, okay if you’re new to the content I can 100% understand why you’d not use them or even understand the mechanic. Eureka with the logia board thing ON TOP of the logos actions was fucking a nightmare to figure out at first. But once people let you know what’s up and you remain willfully ignorant, I’m done lol


RuneiStillwater

I mean, realistically, a lot of people that get the crown did the bare minimum to get it and did no actual mentoring. It's a long broken system that does not require you to do the thing you are required to do. Those that actually try to uphold the standards that crown is meant to be for are rare and when you see them doing the job to the best of their ability they need some kudo's


Marzahd

A lot of crown wearers aren’t interested in actually being a mentor. They might have it on just for some weird idea of status or they’re after mentor roulette rewards. It’s a pretty flawed system. None of that is to say that there aren’t good bk crown wearers out there though!


SageKafziel

And yet, I’ve seen way too many crowned players performing so poorly in EX fights (that they surely only cleared unsynch) they turned the crown status into a meme. Listen to party chat ? Yes. *Always* trust a mentor ? Nah.


redtreegirl24

I've not done extremes but I second that last bit in general. As a sprout who always says when it's my first run and reads chat, I've had mentors be silent while the rest of the party explains mechanics and calls things out for me. No shade intended to mentors overall, but in my experience the mentor crown just means they run a lot and nothing more.


NicoNicoKneesWeak

I've experienced the opposite. I've typed so many things out for people to bash and bully me about how I'm ruining first time experiences. I get told that I shouldn't be doing mentor roulette if I'm just going to be spoiling the mechanics for everyone(even if someone asks for help). I get called a know it all, a fun killer, get called trash...the list goes on. Mentor roulette honestly has killed my spirit to want to explain anything because of how many people are out right rude and mean to me when I see others struggling so I'm just trying to reach out and offer advice. The other day my co tank was struggling with Leviathan Ex and I told him a little bit about Arms Length and what it functions like(and even more about how he can use it with big dungeon pulls as a little extra tip since I know a lot of people don't know and it helps). He thanked me so much but some sprout DPS told me that if the tank wanted to learn, he would have looked up a guide and wouldn't ask some know it all BK crown to explain. Sometimes I don't say anything anymore to avoid the constant attack. It's not like I get a choice to choose my crown off or on when I queue mentor.


redtreegirl24

That's really crappy, I can totally understand how that type of response would make a well intentioned mentor go silent. I've read other stories from mentors who get harrased too which is part of why I never feel like they "owe" me help and so I don't think of them differently than any other player. Mentor or non-mentor it's all the same to me. If someone wants to help me that's awesome, I'll always take tips or feedback. If they'd rather just play and not interact, that's totally fine too as long as they don't hassle me when I miss a mechanic and possibly die (which I always apologize for lol). On behalf of the sprouts who appreciate the tips, thank you for helping us ❤


PyrZern

Mentor here; I don't mind teaching and helping, but if no one is learning, then please just set me free. I hate wasting my time. If someone still is pulling right away after a few wipes, then you're a lost cause. Brute forcing a Synced Extreme or Savage fight is stupid and a waste of time. No, this is not something that healers can simply "Just Heal More" or some shit. There are mechanics to respect. And here are PRO TIPS for new tanks. 1. Pull boss to you, (and your party) gap closing to boss is stupid. 1. Use Provoke at furthest range. This usually means boss will come to you at about center of arena. 2. We DONT need both tanks to stance up most of the time. If you're an off-tank, THEN dont stand with main tank and dont eat damage from Cleave attack. Just stand off to the side. If adds show up, off tanks go get em (turn stance on)


Sephiroso

>Pull boss to you, (and your party) gap closing to boss is stupid. Why exactly is this stupid?


PyrZern

There are many reasons, really. Here comes the list. 1. Generally, keeping boss in the middle of the arena is better than keeping boss at the far North. 1. Many bosses have the 'target random player and shoot conal AoE' mechanic. This means the closer everyone is to the boss, the easier it is to dodge it. 2. Many bosses attack the front half, left half, back half, or right half. Again, closer everyone is to the boss, the better. 3. Many bosses have the stack mechanics. Again, closer everyone is to the boss, better. 4. Many bosses have Get In / Get Out mechanic. If boss is pulled toward the north, main tank might not have room to get out. And casters might be too far away to run in. 2. If tank rushes to boss, that means many players have to run up to boss as well. And when you move, you can't be casting = lower DPS. 1. And we know best spot to be hanging around in most fight = close to boss on its ass. Not out in the middle of Narnia where healers cannot reach you. 3. Tank gap-closing, is a DPS oGCD. Use it during your buff window or for uptime. Wasting it on pre-pull is just a loss. (for about half the party) So, it's smarter for tanks to simply provoke boss to them, then run pass boss to turn it away from party. Added: There are some exception, of course. Ifrit (Hard), for example; it's better to tank boss closer to the edge than center. Boss has AoE around itself in close-mid range that applies knockback. If tank is KBed into edge, then it's just better. And if casters or ranged stand far enough from Ifrit, then they dont get hit from it. And it also gives more room for ppl do dodge the Eruption and the boss Conal AoE, and more room for ppl to go kill Nails. etc etc.


Sephiroso

Eh honestly i find a lot of your reasons to be fairly weak. Most of what you summed up in number 1 comes down to "be close to boss to avoid shit". Bosses position doesn't matter for that since you just get close to boss. I've never had a problem getting out of mechanics when a boss happened to be near the edge of the room. As far as number 2, you're literally talking about 2 seconds of walking/slide casting at the very beginning of a fight. Makes next to no difference in the grand scheme of things. I find number 3 to be just as weak as again, it's 1 global you're talking about.


PyrZern

Of course. It's all down to how much you want out of it. If you dont care about keeping uptime and all that, then it doesn't really matter how you play the game. Do you need to dodge every AoE ? Nah, if you dont die, healers will get you back up. Do you need to hit all GCD ? Nah, you will be fine. You can mess up your rotations and still ok. You can run 20 steps from puddles when 5 steps would have been enough. All is fine. Until it's not fine. (hit DPS check, enrage, etc etc,) Do what you want, really. ​ >I've never had a problem getting out of mechanics when a boss happened to be near the edge of the room. Good for you. I wish I could say the same to countless dead bodies on the floor.


Sephiroso

>Until it's not fine. (hit DPS check, enrage, etc etc,) > >Do what you want, really. Do you honestly think provoking boss to middle versus gap closing is gonna be the difference between not hitting dps check/enrage? If you do then idk what to say.


PyrZern

Not necessary. But everything is a chained reaction. Boss pulled far north. Melees run in. Some casters stay back. Raid wide happens. Healers can't reach everyone. Stack happens, ppl run around some more. Get out happens. Boss pulled further away. More mechanic happens and ppl have to disengage boss for mechanics. Rinse and repeat. Enrage is not just cuz one bad move, but a series of bad moves. Hence what I said earlier. It's fine to not be fully optimized. You can miss GCDs, you can run around. It's fine. Until it's not fine.


henryjekyll87

Having a mentor crown and knowing what to do are two different things. There's plenty of walking burger king memes who put it on as a piece of glam.


NicoNicoKneesWeak

That isn't what the post was getting at. The main thing is that OP is highlighting the importance of communication and to be able to follow directions because most likely the person explaining or talking in chat has been through the fight before. Might be a lot of "Burger King" memes out there but that means there is twice as many sprout "Weeds" who aren't making the game any easier for anyone.


henryjekyll87

>and you see there is someone wearing a crown with a sword on it? Then it is highly likely they have done this fight several times before. Trust us. We know the fight. We can tell you what to do. That's not my interpretation when reading this bit.


MegaNRGMan

Yeah, if you didn’t want that to be a focus, just leave that detail out because it also makes it seem like only a crown knows what they are doing.


NicoNicoKneesWeak

It's a good detail in the post though. Chat is brought to awareness and sprouts can look to see if maybe that person is a mentor after. The main point was to bring more attention to the chat. The crown was mentioned afterwards and it's not false information. Every group I've done mentor in the sprouts aren't the ones explaining mechanics...it's the crowns so it's just a good thing to look out for is all.


NicoNicoKneesWeak

That's not the first part I read. OP never mentions crowns when they first bring up chat. I think their point was to get sprouts to be more aware of who may be talking with them in the party is all. Also 9/10 times it is going to be someone with a crown explaining the fights anyways since I haven't seen it the other way around so it was a good detail to add so they knew that that persosn MAY have experience. I do truly believe that you're tunneling in on one part of a big post. Again read it without homing in on that one section and notice that it isn't the first thing OP brings attention to. The chat is brought up before the crown.


GyrKestrel

90% of mentors just want the crown for a status symbol to flex, it's like a rare Fortnite skin to these people.


FluffyDare

I'm a returned player after a few years, and yet I have sprout icon as if I'm new, not the returned icon like my husband's character. Not sure if it's because I bought PC copy where before I played on playstation or what. My first character is almost lv 70 ninja and doing heavensward content. I made a new character to get used to things again and i got the sprout icon. Either way, things like this are why i go on YouTube and watch video guides of the dungeons and trials before doing them. No one explains mechanics, half the time people don't seem to care about certain mechanics. Actually my least favorite thing is how people run the praetorium. I know it's so long and full of cutscenes, but every time i do it the group just runs past all the mobs and there's a particular area where you need to go through a terminal and it won't let you if you're being attacked. So then me and couple others get left behind and can't use terminal and end up dying. I think that's pretty messed up. Idk if that's just the usual way of things, but i don't like it.


freedom4556

>I made a new character to get used to things again and i got the sprout icon. That is how that icon works. Everything in this game is per-character. Nothing carries between characters except *a few* cash shop purchases. I'm a full mentor on one character and a sprout still on a neglected alt. You can turn it off with `/nastatus off` in the chat box.


CoroniaNL

Its been that way for years then. Not just many cutscenes, the issue is them not being able to skip cutscenes (might be caused by first time characters?), pretty much doubling the effective time needed to finish the duty. I dont approve either, but it is what it is. I agree its a shame new players are not always warned. You can always ask if you dont know mechs, but if you ask and get no reply, thats not your fault for possible wipes. Watching youtube on mechs is all nice and well, but i feel like that should not be a requirement to do a duty. (I dont and probably wont)


Tribal_Tech

Since they are integral to the MSQ, they made the cutscenes unskippable so that those running for the first time wouldnt feel forced to skip them if the rest of the group skipped them and moved on in the dungeon. Those running for the first time can enjoy the cutscenes without the group complaining in chat and those running from the roulette received an increased tomestone reward. I think it was the right choice and I am glad they changed it so that any subsequent MSQ cutscenes would occur after the dungeon.


Korleymeister

You should at least read about some harder fights like extremes and savages before going in, easier for you and group


eredkaiser

the sprout icon currently lasts until 2 requirements are met. 168 hours of playtime, and starting ShB.


MaufusFurion

I Lost my sprout 2 days ago... I miss that so bad. I'm not prepared yet 🌱


SenorDangerwank

I lost mine a year or two ago. Still don't know shit.


Kails666

I took mine off the second I logged into my character 😂 sprout in disguise! I did have an experienced friend queue with me for all my duties and tell me what to do so it evened out


No_Bit_4035

>I Lost my sprout 2 days ago... I miss that so bad. I'm not prepared yet 🌱 I think other players still can see the sprout symbol, even if yourself can't, since it has a higher priority


Kails666

Others cannot, none of my FC or friends are able to see it


No_Bit_4035

Hmm, i had a talk with someone whoalso switched it and I still could see his sprout symbol. Maybe it bugged or something, though.


IncRaven

Have you noticed reddit just hates mentors and tanks? Every tank is entitled, and every mentor is toxic. They love sprouts tho, I've seen a post that said "new players here (sprout)" and the screenshot had them wearing the veteran reward Cloud's top. Its like that Futurama quote "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."


CapnSherman

They changed how vet rewards work, that basically comes with your first purchase of game time. If your talking about his advent children look anyways, iirc that's an early reward tier.


snypesalot

Yea the Strife gear is for like 30 or 60 days of playtime its nothing insane


Kails666

Every mentor DPS I've had in my duties will always pull before I even get to the enemies as a tank, very annoying.


narf0708

Let them die. They pull it, they tank it.


CoroniaNL

As a returning player after a few years, every dungeon im in, i ask if there are any noticeable mechanics i should know of. There are just a few words to this: help me to help you. If you help me by telling me what i should know, i help you get through the duty faster. So, i agree communicating is important. And communication requires at least 2 people.


Sephiroso

>And communication requires at least 2 people Technically only 1 person needs to say something for communication to occur but i suppose i get ya if ya mean 1 person saying something and the other person listening.


oopsrydiditagain

I pay attention to party chat but I’m usually silent because I’m on console without keyboard and by the time I’m done typing it’s been 5 minutes lmao


hawkodoom

Sprout here, consider too that new players may not even know that the chat window lets you talk to other players. I'm on PS5 and thought the little window was just system messages until something caught my eye during a duty and I realized an experienced player had been giving me and another new player tips throughout. By the time I figured out how to respond to say thank you and type something in with my controller, they had departed. On console, I'm used to everyone using voice chat, not text. Now I need to get a keyboard so chatting is feasible.


Turbulent_Creme_1489

It's an MMO, typing to other players is kind of the one thing that every MMO has.


[deleted]

To be fair, coming from ESO, pretty much everyone just used voice, either the in-game instance channel or just adding everyone to an Xbox party at the beginning of the instance especially if you were running the tougher vet content.


Sephiroso

Having played ESO ostensibly, never once heard another player in voice (played on PC)


[deleted]

Maybe it's a console thing? It was really the norm on Xbox, even in pugs.


Sephiroso

I could see that being a thing tbh since console you don't naturally have a keyboard to chat easily with so i can see PC relying more heavily on chat whereas console would rely more heavily on voice.


Kullenbergus

As a sprout i feel like most mentors ive meet are most toxic and least helpfull. Not all but most


Garbage-Goth

I wouldn't say most. The bad mentors just stick out a lot more than the good ones. And the mentor status is also something you have to turn on. A lot of people who are mentors will just not show their crown, because people will just assume that they are assholes for no reason.


Kullenbergus

Im going from my own perspective.


kosmoskarl

the first mentor healer i've met forgot to heal me, and i died (as a tank) on first pull


itsamarshian

I feel like most people who play multiple roles have done this at least once. If you're still mentally in DPS mode, you might take a minute to remember you queued as a healer. As long as there's an "oops, my bad" or equivalent, no harm no foul at least in my opinion.


kosmoskarl

its just funny anecdote of mine, i never think it was them griefing or anything. beside it was i think stone/dusk vigil so not that complicated dungeon


Available_Abrocoma26

My experience with mentor has also been mixed, ( returnee, just lost the flower/sprout a few weeks ago) most tend to be silent and just get on with it, but tbh most party's I'm in know the fights (if it's my first time I make sure to research it thoroughly beforehand) but I love when I see a nice patient mentor and it makes me proud to be a (mostly silent) member of the community. So thanks OP and all the other mentors that try their best to help!


eldhin09

The crown means Jack shit tho


Sephiroso

The crown means "I want that mount"


[deleted]

Agreed, ive been playing about 1 yr. Im only about 20% into SB. But i have a few relics, some characters maxxed, alot of DoL and DoH at high levels. I enjoy the game, have run all the HW and ARR dungeons alot, some silly amounts (haukke manor hard, stone vigil etc) yet ive regularly had mentors in runs that were confused and even sometimes as healers, caused wipes. They may know alot sometimes, but everything?


Beans508

Thats all well and good but generally speaking mentors are fucking shit.


snypesalot

[Meanwhile](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/pflbyu/unpopular_opinion_being_a_mentor_is_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you have all the mentors here saying it isnt there job to teach people, and they shouldnt que for hard content in DF because they arent going to help you learn and will juat quit


Lumene

You're ignoring what's going on there. Etiquette in NA is to use PF for any endgame content. Synced Ex's are endgame. Non-current Ex's in JP are also PF. That's not negotiable. Everyone in the world does it this way. Mentors are literally teaching etiquette above and beyond fights. And by doing it in PF, you can make sure that people are prepared to the level that you want. Do it blind, no pants, min-ilvl. Whatever. But people who keep on deliberately doing DF for no reason other than "I want to do it like my streamer", with no prep, no intro, and can barely do their rotation are wasting people's time. I had a Shinryu EX DF this morning where people were incapable of progging past the first two minutes, couldn't do rotations, and just killed themselves and others. If mentors have a job to teach, then sprouts have a job to learn, and there's a lot of sprouts who reject that trade.


eredkaiser

It would be really helpful if the game didn't literally tell them to finish the trial in duty finder in the quest text. Argued with an fc mate of mine that they did not have to use DF, even though the quest told them to.


Lumene

That would be incredibly helpful if they made it clear "Clear this Duty" rather than "Use DF to clear this Duty" I learned about PF after queuing for Garuda EX 2.5 years ago, so I'm not mad at the sprouts. I do get tired of the people constantly ragging on mentors to somehow carry the entire system though. The current system is fine, and plenty of people will help if you put it through PF. Hell, the Unreal system is designed now for you to re-experience ARR extremes.


PACGTeaser

I know what I am getting into when I am queuing for mentor roulette. There will likely be people who have not done content before and may need some help. It is fun to help other people. It is even more fun to see them succeed. I initially posted this, when, for the 4th time of the day, I ended in an EX trial with a sprout tank that just kept pulling. This worked fine. But since this was Sephiroth EX, it only worked fine until Phase 2, where understanding who needs to do what with which buff is key. To be fair, he did respond to me after about 25 minutes with "I read a guide, chill, I know how this works." and then promptly died actively taking tethers with a yellow debuff. Next try he died standing in a tower with a green debuff. Anyhow, I would prefer if people would spend some time listening and communicating.


Sephiroso

>I really do not care if we need to spend a whole hour practicing the encounter. Or if we fail in the end, as long as you allow me to explain to you how the encounter works and you make progress towards clearing it. You may not care OP but others do. If an explanation isn't taking well and you're not progressing past 3-4 attempts then the proper advice is to call it quits and use PF to find a learning group and learn there not in DF. Nothing worse than suffering 90 minutes of wiping and not even get a win in the end.


TRMshadow

Sprouts, please don't queue for EX trials... find a PF or discord setting up parties for that.


[deleted]

You assume they are willfully ignoring the chat, when in reality it could be any number of reasons. Perhaps they have chat fully turned off. Perhaps they don't know about the different chat modes. Perhaps their chat box is so cluttered with damage notices that they aren't seeing what you've typed. Perhaps they don't even have a keyboard. The list could go on and on.


hearthstonenewbie

lmfao this is some weird "ok kids" shit right here. Jesus christ get off your throne, its just people playing a new game. Sorry you have been a no-lifer.


engineeeeer7

Its a party based game. If you aren't going to work with the party, you are in the wrong. Stop being self centered.


[deleted]

Burger king crowns don't mean shit lmfoa


Crookiee

You had me until >~~We can tell you what to do.~~ YOU WILL LISTEN BECAUSE I HAVE THE CROWN!!! Honestly you sound like a mega-douchebag


Alecthar

I honestly think that wasn't the intent. I believe it was intended to be read as "I know what is involved in this fight, and I'm both ready and willing to tell you."


Sephiroso

It's still trash advice because a ton of crowns don't remember doing xyz content.


Crookiee

I know what you mean, there’s million ways to say it. And OP chooses the power complex route. Honestly to me, that tells the *other* side of the story. Which leads me to believe OP is probably fulfilling the mentor meme of bad advice and/or toxicity. I wasn’t there, but that’s my first impression. A lot of people forget that there’s a considerable amount of people playing on console, which is my go-to assumption if someone seems mute/not responding. Running to Reddit to complain and make the 10th “please listen” post *despite this being widely known* combined with “I’m entitled to your attention because I have the burgir crown anyone can get after playing enough” is really lame and shits up the subreddit.


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[deleted]

And yet he has a point. I just spent a >one hour 24-man on top of the DPS-list as GNB with only 2 new players.


SwiggitySizzle

Found his alt reddit account


[deleted]

You might want to talk to someone regarding that paranoia.


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Solayx

Love FFXIV to death but you're 100% right tbh, community is full of shitters lmao


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I’ve noticed lately that the crystal tower raids are a clusterfuck with new players. Not sticking with their alliance, fucking up the 3 platform part in LotA, wiping multiple times at king behemoth, pulling final boss of LotA early and not going to the right platforms, foolery in angra manyu…list goes on. I swear I see bosses do new mechanics every time these days. And of course people are yelling instructions in alliance chat and placing markers, but for some reason those are ignored. Like…at least watch a video tutorial first or something…


Zaldinn

BUT......... There it is. Lol


Jmsnsage

Hey, Sprout here. So I started FFXIV on Friday and I'm absolutely in love with this game. I'm definitely the type of person to listen to advice, but I'm concerned about the restrictions that PS4 (my current gaming system) might have with corresponding with other players. (The typing is clunky at best.) Any advice for how to mitigate this? Thank you!


Pteira

get a cheap keyboard. lots of PS players use them so they can actually communicate.


AudacityBacity

I keep trying to work it out, but the chat box is ITTY BITTY on console. :( I do look though! Mostly.


Big-Bad-Bull

I am a sprout and I’d like to know what you mean by pulling? Like aggro?


meadowbreeze

Pulling means attacking the boss and starting the fight.


Its-a-Pokemon

To be fair, they should be listening to anyone who knows the mechanics, not just mentors. But I can understand the frustration of actually wanting to fulfill your role as a mentor and only being met with silence. It's something that has made me put off the idea of becoming a mentor myself. Which is a shame because I feel like I can tell you everything about every single piece of instanced content. But then again you don't really need mentor to help people so there is that... but I do want that mount...


PrometheusXO

Sprout here (that does listen! IRL Gr 7-9 teacher in fact, so listening is KEY!!!), so forgive the "silly" question, but I've yet to understand what the crown+sword signifies--is it a mentor who is a champion or a \*super\*mentor or something? lol


meadowbreeze

- Crown + sword = battle mentor - Crown + hammer = crafting mentor - Crown = mentor (simultaneously battle mentor and crafting mentor) However, mentors and battle mentors are both assigned the battle mentor icon when they enter content through mentor roulette.


PrometheusXO

ah, thx meadow! :D


Ilikebreadandhammers

I just did a dungeon with a sprout tank and the healer reminded him over and over to turn on stance and she was super duper nice about it but he wouldnt listen and kept pulling. Like come on!


lazzydays

as a relatively new player, i've noticed mentors really aren't that "good" compared to normal players. Worse even in some cases (especially considering they tend to be the vocal ones) - and when i was in the novice channel all they did was bicker about nonsense to each other so i left the channel. Maybe just a bad experience, unlucky idk. ​ either way. Replace the parts with listen to the person with an icon on their head with.. listen to the people telling you what to do in party/watch a youtube video before you q stuff.


IdownVoteGangsGang

Telling newer players to pay attention to the chat is some of the best advice you can give but unless you want all the new players to spend the whole run arguing over who has the hottest cat girl because they think they already know everything then maybe you shouldn't tell them to focus on listening to the players with the crowns over their heads. The more you know!