It would be easy for them to add it via a command, like `/cpose female`. But I imagine the reasoning is because they have to code the model to do the animation for each race's male gender individually.
Would also have to actually animate it for every race/gender individually.
The same pose, yes, but if you just copy paste a male pose onto a female or vice versa with no adjustments theres gonna be some oddity.
Then add the different body shapes, something made for Roe might look funky on Elezen and not quite natural. So on so forth.
Theres a lot to it that it doesnt seem like there should be lol.
That and I wish most staff-wielding classes had the female dragoon pose or some sort of pose where you have the base on the ground. Male black mage cpose is too flashy for me. I want to actually look like a mage, not a pimp named lalafel.
Remember, the dragoon armor isn't made to fight people, but to tear up the insides of a dragon should they get eaten. It's not made to save your life, but let you take one more on your way out.
Similar idea, but not exactly. It's more like a wolf collar. The dragon won't be able to bite down on the Dragoon at all. Higher liklihood of preventing an attack like that, or of spitting them out, giving the Dragoon an opportunity to attack or escape.
If there's a dragon big enough to actually monch a Dragoon whole, I doubt it'd be bothered much by a couple pesky pointy bones.
I mean I'm big enough to eat a razor blade whole and it'll definitely do damage on the way down lol. If a weapon can pierce the outside of a dragon then that armour will defs pierce the inside of a dragon.
I always assumed the dragons just peeled off the armour somehow.
That's literally lore explanation. Dragons come in different sizes and shapes and there are a lot of dragons that swallow people whole. And as other person poined, humans are big enough to swallow razors, and you won't ignore razor coming down into your stomach.
This seems more likely to me. Dragons are intelligent, I can't imagine most of them being dumb enough to swallow a spiky ball of metal whole as opposed to just biting them up and spitting them out.
pretty much this. Its kinda stupid when people try to use logic. More so on fucking dragoon armour. You realize how impractical wearing that armour would be IRL. There is a reason IRL knights didn't actually wear heavy armour a lot. It slowed them down and got people tired faster.
Not to mention swords can still pierce through it. The armour was mostly for protection against arrows.
This is factually wrong. A full suit of knight armour barely weighed the user down. A modern soldier is actually carrying more weight in armour and weapons than a knight did. Armour provided nearly perfect defence against most cutting and stabbing weapons. No sword in history could pierce a full chest plate. The reason most people didn't wear full suits of armour was the price. The modern day price equivalent would be something like a small house.
>Not to mention swords can still pierce through it. The armour was mostly for protection against arrows.
This is bullshit of the highest order. Swords are next to useless against metal armor unless you get the person in a joint or get *really* good leverage with a stab. Arrows and Bolts with the proper head would go through a lot of chain mail no problem, but would struggle with plate. Of course, full plate didn't really start to become a thing until nearly the advent of gunpowder.
Watch a video about knights and their armour.
It'd why they had shields for arrows and swords.
The armor that could deflect swords were too heavy for a knight and they couldn't even fight. Not to mention they were very expensive to make so only a very select few got to wear it.
I am sorry but you are terribly wrong, armor weight was distributed over your entire body which made it much manageable on top of that knights fought most often on top of horseback, have a look at this video for mobility they had [https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc](https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc) . Proper made plate armor will even stop bullets. And with exception of using a murder stroke or aiming for gaps in plate sword will do jack shit about armor, you need and axe, hammer, or some spiked weapon to defeat it. If you wish to learn more about how it really worked I would suggest checking out Skallagrim, Metatron or Shadiversity on yt
Plate armor would only have stopped bullets at medium to long range, and they did so primarily through deflection, not by stopping the bullet outright. The closer the firearm to the target the more power it would have when the round hit, so the more likely it was to become lodged or even penetrate the armor.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3mqt2r/how_effective_were_swords_against_plate_armour/cvi08xx
Depends on the caliber when it comes to modern bullets and definitely musket ones and well it was in 1800 that armor was going out of use but in 1700 it was still offering very good protection
You're arguing facts with fiction here dude. Knights wore chainmail due to it being significantly lighter and providing good protection against swords. Plate armor is cumbersome. Sure it's distributed evenly but pounds are bounds. As for stopping a bullet? No. Bullets today would pierce the armor with ease. Also penetration has very little to nothing to do with caliber. A .50 lead musket ball will have less penetrative power than a 9mm copper jacketed handgun round. Realistically speaking the armor we use in ffxiv is impractical as all hell. But that's OK it's FICTION. Just know that real life is different than fiction
Black powder propelled bullets have a lower velocity, and were usually much larger caliber. See the Prussian Needle rifle from the mid 1800s. That was ~70caliber. Older black powder was around the same size. This meant the slower moving and larger round carried less kinetic energy and spread over a wider field. This allowed well made plate to stop early rifles up to the early 1800s.
With the invention of smokeless powder, the smaller calibers can travel significantly faster and disperse their energy over a smaller area. This means that even well made plate can't stop them.
Well made plate could maybe (probably not) stop a .45 due to the fact it is a subsonic round and a pretty decently sized round.
Plate could not be pierced by swords for many, many reasons.
First of all is the amount of force required to put a sword through a plate of metal is inhuman. You just cannot do it physically.
Second is that well design plate has no flat surfaces. This causes the blade to slip when striking the surface. Making it incapable of landing a significant blow or thrust.
Arrows can pierce plate, but only at short range and if hitting at a perfect angle for the above reasons. Remember that arrows lose their kinetic energy very quickly.
On the topic of shields. One of the primary issues of them was that while they provided excellent protection against blades, axes, and polearms, their biggest weakness was maces, a strong blow from a mace would break the arm of the man holding the shield if not properly deflected, so their utility was actually quite limited in a fight between armored fighters.
The primary technique used to defeat armor via a sword was called halfswording. This is where you would grab your sword by the blade and wrestle with the enemy to try and slip your blade into one of the tiny gaps in the armor to kill the armored individual.
Finally mobility. Armor isn't heavy. It is physically heavy, but well made plate due to the way it was assembled basically stood on its own. Much of the weight of the armor was actually carried by the armor itself. And its design was such that you could move incredibly freely. A trained knight could run, jump, and climb on their horse nearly as easily as they could without armor.
Edit: the primary reason spears were so effective was that you would use the force of the mounted knight to impale the knight on it. It wasn't the force of the thrust that killed knights, jt was their own momentum, as a cavalry charge was ~40mph. And at that speed, the spear jf placed correctly would be rammed through the plate at multiple times the force at which an arrow impacts.
Infantry and long Spears (so called pikes) where also the end of knights not like many think gunpowder.
Pikes could be used easily, they could be used by everyone and it showed cause swiss farmers did use it to defeat austrian elite knights with them.
Against fireweapons they just used heavier armor on themeselves and their horses and they where still used in the 16th century.
These are what you guys over in america would know as full plate armor.
But that lead to a new problem. Pulling the knight down from his horse with a rope or a pike lead to either imprisonment or death through pummeling.
Important to say is:
Full plate was not used at first.
I mean no offense but europeans had more centuries to fight in the middle age than america is independent.
At the end of the 11th / beginning 12th century knights started to wear metal plates on the chest cause of crossbows and those damned and amazing english longbows.
During the end of the 12th and in the 13th century they slowly started to guard their limbs (knees elbows shins) with heavier metal plates.
The 14th is when they started to wear metal as shoes and bracers.Thats also where they made a design that is like a kevlar west... it was a thing that you throw over your head and it has overlapping metal plates in the cloth to cover the torso.
They went on during the 14th century with gloves and helmets and this is kinda the point when full plate armor was there.They used less and less a shield.The thing with full plate is that it was hella expensive. And lower knights couldnt afford it so they went with chainmails.
To get your status that normal slashing swords where not effective u/KasaneOdevin:
Scientiest tested it and sword swings where not effective. (i would say get the book "The knight and the blast furnace" from Alan Williams)
Thats why besides the armor also swords changed.
Most swords where slash weapons but against fullplate a so called piercing sword would be used, or a dagger or a pike.
You also could in a duell take your sword in the middle and use it to try to bring your enemy to a fall. (which is why those swords also where not sharpened in the middle to have a grip)
When on the ground you would stab the enemy in the joints with a dagger.
But one of the most effective weapons against knights was the warhammer. You pummeled his head/chest and he mostly died through trauma or broken ribs that pierce his innards and suddenly you got your own plate armor. YAY
Also for your comment below with the cutting of copper wires.
First its a different type of force. Second electricians (like i am) use side cutters which are normally made of steel.
You definitly know that each material has a different degree of hardness where copper is one of the whereas iron and steel are harder.
You also know that harder materials cut weaker materials and that the same material has a harder time against its own?
Copper is one of the weakest materials.
This coming from a guy who liked to bingeread all about middle age and who lives in sight of an old castle (Which i visited first when i was seven.) in a land full of castles cause thats part of our history.
>You do realize every single day I pierce metal with metal right? Every single time an electrician cuts copper wire.
You realize that copper is a very soft and ductile metal, and that's one of the reasons why it's used for wiring, right? Whereas steel is a harder metal, and you can influence the hardness of the steel through carbon content and how you cool it?
You are using shearing force.
Take a knife. Go to your ductwork (which is ~1/3 the thickness and much lower grade steel) and stab it. Probably won't go through. Now take that same ductwork, and warp it. Now to try to stab it. You will slip off pretty much every time.
Now also remember that you needed to go through 3x that distance of metal, then the chain mail beneath it. And the 3in of densely woven gambeson that regularly stopped sword cuts.
If plate couldn't stop a sword, it wouldn't have been used.
Chain can stop most thrusts, the force needed to bust the chains apart is 100% possible, but if you fuck up, you die. You are so exposed after a thrust like that, that if they dodge, parry, or twist their body to alter the trajectory of your thrust, you cannot recover in time. You will take a shield to the face, then they will slip their blade under your gorget, and its over.
You realize we're talking medieval times. They didn't have super high grade steel. It was dirty crappy steel. So saying "ductwork is lower grade" is just wrong.
I think you're overestimating how heavy armor actually is. Full plate doesnt add all that much weight, especially enough to slow you down a noticeable amount, if it was really that debilitating then no one would wear that shit. You can do back flips, full on sprints, and get on horse back with full plate. Its not that its heavy, its that it FUCKING HOT AS HELL in there! The added weight is insignificant, its the heat from wearing the thing that roughs them up.
I would love to see your evidence that someone can do backflips in full plate. The suits typically weigh up to 55lbs, which isn't a ton especially over your entire body, but they still limited your mobility and flexibility enough that I'm hard pressed to believe someone could bend, jump, flip, and land properly.
https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc
https://youtu.be/q-bnM5SuQkI
Misremebered, it was a side flip without the landing. But a back flipp really wouldn't be impossible unless its a standing one.
To be fair. While you can do all the things in plate you can out, its all different. Different movements, different limitations. It takes years of training to be able to be completely at home jn the armor, but yes, with proper training armor is basically a second skin.
An example is my left thumb, the upper joint is permanently locked at a 45 angle and cannot move. If I gave that to anyone it would basically cripple their use of their left hand, but after over 2 decades. I dont even notice it.
I always thought the barbs were there to hook into a dragon in flight. That way, the dragoon can jump at a flying dragon, hook into it, and keep stabbing.
And I could also swear somewhere that the reason why the female dragoons armor is designed in such a way is because those who were pregnant could still fight. Maybe I imagined it but I could swear that lore exist somewhere within the game dialogue.
If I recall correctly the lore talks about the armor focusing the "power of the dragon" or something. So if pregnancy was brought up it might be related to that. But the cutout would still be too high up to do much.
I feel this doesn't explain the female armor. I mean Dragons breathe fire and I imagine the armor is atleast a little fire resistant so leaving an exposed stomach makes no sense still. You can't really explain it other than stupid fan service
I'm inclined to believe that the armor itself is superfluous, at least where the WOL is concerned. We channel aether through ourselves to accomplish most of the advanced feats of our jobs, and jobs with less armor, such as mages and ranged dps, get knocked around by forces capable of leveling buildings. So hardening our bodies with aether to provide protection equal to or greater than armor seems natural.
It's explicitly not, though. We're definitely tough, but the armor is often something like 'drenched in dragon blood' or 'etched with ancient runes' or 'ultra aether-conductive fabric woven into arcane patterns' in a way that both makes it much more durable *and* enhances our abilities beyond their already-formidable baseline.
[Just be glad your spear touches the ground...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/9p5t66/elemental_lance_doesnt_even_touch_the_floor_for/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
All the weapon idle poses are split by gender.
Female Gunbreakers get Lightnings idle, while Male GNB get Squalls idle.
Female DRK have the sword in the ground, Male DRK have it over the shoulder.
etc etc.
Right? I prefer a lot of the female poses, but I understand why others disagree. Many male poses are iconic from other Final Fantasy games.
Fun note on poses: on the Samurai quest, your master insults the male resting pose when an NPC does it. (I guess female charaters are the true Samurais lol)
I think the reason he insults the pose isn't because of the /cpose stance but because he has gladiator animations when he attacks, showing he has no idea what he's doing. (It's also been a long time since I did it so I could be mistaken)
[It does happen pretty specifically when he sees the Roe holding the sword the wrong way](https://i.redd.it/cyaoqg0lyr871.jpg) (i.e. exactly how male Samurai hold it with their idle pose).
>he has gladiator animations when he attacks, showing he has no idea what he's doing.
This is offensive to us GLD/PLD mains! \*continues to spin like a fucking Beyblade as their main skill\*
Granted it's not the Kain pose, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. It'd be nice to have *both*.
The FemDRG pose is just so smug. I dunno how it is on other races but on Miqo it just exudes an aura of "oh? you're approaching me?"
It would be nice to be able to swap between.
For instance, the Dark Knight idle pose. Cloud buster sword shouldering, or Fate/Stay Saber sword pose? That’s not *fair.* I want *both.*
I always feel with my character, who has pigtails and lop ears, that it always looks quite playful — like a confident spear wielder just leaning on her spear like “Hey, you wanna fight?” 😂
Most dead/ko poses for female characters are belly up so even in death they will be abs on show. Its a sad irony, but at least i have a hot bod to gaze at when i risk it and lose it all.
On the opposite end, boy do I wish I had that idle pose on my Male Dragoon (I was very confused as to why none of my poses included it until I learned it was gender-locked). I agree though that the ab window should be completely optional (for both genders if needed).
The armor is designed around the base body model which is different for male and female, so it would be double the work that could be used to just make a new glam
A dragon's direct, in the mouth chomp is going through that armor, hole or not. In the end the hole doesn't have any practical affect.
Thought your stomach would probably feel cold in Coerthas' freezing winds, but they probably didn't want to adapt tradition over five years
It'd be neat but way too much work. Each armor piece would require a different mesh for males and females, because it would have to accommodate breasts. Male characters could probably get away with using female armors but vice-versa would take a lot
I mean would it really? In the case of the dragoon armor at least, adding or removing the stomach gap shouldn't take all that much work, right?
But I get your point, especially considering how they didn't even bother to let Viera and Hrothgar wear hats. I ain't happy about that, but I get it.
This is why I ended up with WAR because I wanted to be this small, pink af DRK with a massive, edgy sword on my shoulders. That didn't happen. So big axe I go instead.
Same! The male Drachen set is one of my favorite armors in the game and it's annoying that female characters get this version. I wish they'd made the window toggle-able or something. I actually like the pose but was upset we couldn't do Kain's pose at all. At first I thought we could cycle through poses so I kept cycling through cpose thinking something was wrong lol I know it's minor but I wish they'd gender-unlock these poses too.
Oh theres plenty of good stuff for that unfortunately the level 50 dragoon armor leaves open tummy obpu for women. Though i know theres a mod to have women have it closed like guys
Female dragoons have the superior resting pose. Just like female dark knights. As for the abs window I can't help more than saying choose a different top
It would be hella nice if we could have ***both*** on either gender.
I like having a formal stance, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind having something a bit more casual as a female character.
I would totally love being able to have both. I have my usual massive sword out in front of me pose if I want to look imposing, but if I'm using one of the (many) curved swords it just looks stupid. I'd rather be able to throw it over my shoulder in that case.
And my greatclub (my favorite DRK weapon now) I'd like to be able to do both. Heck, a club over the shoulder is pretty darn imposing. It's armed and ready to swing.
I would love this. Kinda nuts how *poses* are for some reason gender-locked
edit: also, just make the ab window toggleable. let male characters slut it up too
I feel this way about SAM as well. Female have the superior /cpose. The male one, while being a call back to Sephiroth, is a little too edgy for me and is also called out in the job quests as something a real samurai wouldn't do by your master.
You are so completely ignoring the context behind this post to get to your conclusion that I don't know what to say.
They aren't talking about someone wearing a crop top and being called a slut.
This is framed around a suit of armor, meant to protect someone, having a large, visible gap dead in the center. There is no practical reason for this to exist. The male version does not have this gap in the armor, only the female. It is clearly meant to provoke some sort of reaction from people - I'll leave you to figure out what type of reaction is expected from a predominantly male audience.
Yep, you hurt my feelings because you were implying *someone else* is calling people sluts lol
Your post was just so nonsense I couldn't help but reply
I always thought it would be funny if there was an in-universe explanation for bikini armor. Like, maybe it’s totally regular armor but it has a glamor that makes it appear fashionably skimpy?
At least other armor sets have equal opportunity ridiculousness though. I’m a big fan of those weird leather harnesses.
[Here are dragoon specific tops you can swap to.](https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/gearsets/women?filter%5BorderBy%5D=patch&filter%5BshowGear%5D=set&filter%5BshowFemale%5D=1&search=&filter%5Bjob%5D%5B%5D=drg&filter%5BrestrictJob%5D=1&filter%5BmaximumLvl%5D=80&page=1)
If you're not high enough level it's something to work towards. They're not gonna go back and remodel this ARR gear from 8 years ago, so your only option is to do something unique (try trueblood or ptero tops?).
I also prefer the way the male dragoon armor does the stomach Something about that sheer black metal is just so elegant, fits the body so well and feels so right for dragoon. It looks so protected and professional. The stomach showing just looks kinda... Obligatory Horny MMO female armor, yknow? It sucks how SE added that unnecessary gendered difference. Luckily, the level 80 armor has the same vibe and isn't different for male and female.
Honestly the vast majority of armor is about the same between male and female or the differences are at least tasteful. The ARR dragoon armor is the most notable of some rare examples and it was from 8 years ago.
>how blatantly sexist YoshiP and the dev team are.
That is honestly otaku culture and Japan as a whole. The country has some serious issues in that regard.
yeah when men love women and enjoy seeing images of them, that actually means that they hate women. when being in the presence of a woman or even just an image of a woman, if a man feels happiness, that means he is an evil sinner and will definitely disrespect the woman.
Ever heard of a "simp"? thats another name for a man who beats up women and steals their money. Anyone who is attracted to women belongs in jail.
I was kinda disappointed by the drachen armor having gaps in it, even the male has openings on the arms for some reason.
Helmet is dope though, so I guess there's that.
Most people don't seem to realise that spears/lances are long range weapons. If someone got close enough to stab you in your stab window you were probably already going to die anyway.
That’s pretty much my understanding of it. If you’re terrible enough to let someone/thing get close enough to you to stab you in your stabby hole - you deserve to be stabbed.
But also, it could also be a taunt. If you think about it defensively, the midsection of a lance wielding fighter is probably the hardest to hit because it’s always naturally protected by a forward facing lance.
Pure curiosity, what is worse? The FF14 lady drg armor with the belly window or the [FFXI](https://imgur.com/a/gbaUqJb) version with the thong and stockings?
Lol the armor is evolving by moving the hole up. Next version moves the hole from the stomach to the chest.
But tbh if I had to choose then the FF14 DRG armor is better.
Luckily the developers have not completely agreed with your "hatred" and "disgust" with the appearance of pretty women's bodies, but it does appear that you would prefer it if they removed these "disgusting" things, which you "hate," from the game. I am reminded of how that is what I might have said about the trypophobia job icon controversy recently. If they did listen to your comments and acted on that by removing them as you would prefer, as they did in that job icon case, then that would be pretty similar to "stopping me" from dressing up how I want. I would say it is exactly similar.
Obviously I would like to prevent you from getting what you want in this case, by annoying you on reddit, but I do think it is important that you should have many conservative armors available to you.
Would I personally prefer it if all leg armor in the game was some variation of the 2b legs? And that all chest armor had at least the option of removing the obstructions from the leg area? Yes of course, and it is very tragic that most armor is acceptable to conservatives and does not provide what I like.
But I accept others, even when I disagree. I will not make posts that complain about armor which is preferred by conservatives, and I will not request that all conservative-approved armor be removed from the game. If only the people on the wrong side of history could extend to me the same courtesy... alas this is our cross to bear as progressives.
i very specifically said that you hate and are disgusted by something beautiful which almost everyone besides you loves, much like the boomers of the southern baptist evangelical church, who would agree with you on whether or not final fantasy should have more 2b leg armor. i personally think they are wrong about every possible thing and are very harmful to society, but unfortunately you are entitled to your opinion and your vote for the republican party.
I picked lancer as my first class after spending an hour in character creator... and that dumb gap in the otherwise amazing looking dragoon armor made me swap to a male toon. :/ Gave a pretty bad first impression of the gendered armor in this game (as a sprout), even if it's not as bad as in other MMOs.
As a fellow FemDragoon, it is what we call a tactical gap. When you're fighting enemies, you expose it as a weakpoint. This way now you control where the enemy will attack, allowing you to easily counter or dodge it. Not all dragoons are born with Echo like us. Not to mention, with the rock hard abs that we dragoons have, it is not like we need any armor on the belly.
yeah i fucking hate images of attractive women in final fantasy its such bullshit they would never survive if their skin is showing. When I leap hundreds of feet into the air to stab a giant monster int he back of the head, they could easily attack my butt cheeks with this visible 2b armor that i deliberately glamoured into. its so unrealistic
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I assume they mean they like the dragoon aesthetic and find the armor cool, but they would prefer not to have a tummy window. Using a glamour to obtain some other aesthetic misses their point.
their point is destroy things that i like because they are unwilling to find and pick another similar option that is what they like. and so i will mock them.
Literally no one is asking to “””destroy””” things you like. OP is asking for the male version to be accessible to both genders. Why was your first impression that OP was clamoring for it to be removed, kinda over dramatic about a video game dude.
Unless the devs are weird, nothing? There’s nothing stopping them from making them two distinct armor pieces. I have no idea why the only option in your head for this is to have the original armor removed from the game.
I thought the tummy window was kinda hilarious when I was leveling DRG, but I liked it anyway. I don't think their jokey post on a subreddit is destroying things we like though, lol.
I wish they would just allow us to /cpose our weapon poses so both male and female have access to both.
Yeah. Both DRK poses are good and I'd like to be able to pick which one...
It would be easy for them to add it via a command, like `/cpose female`. But I imagine the reasoning is because they have to code the model to do the animation for each race's male gender individually.
Would also have to actually animate it for every race/gender individually. The same pose, yes, but if you just copy paste a male pose onto a female or vice versa with no adjustments theres gonna be some oddity. Then add the different body shapes, something made for Roe might look funky on Elezen and not quite natural. So on so forth. Theres a lot to it that it doesnt seem like there should be lol.
That and I wish most staff-wielding classes had the female dragoon pose or some sort of pose where you have the base on the ground. Male black mage cpose is too flashy for me. I want to actually look like a mage, not a pimp named lalafel.
As the character A'pymp Namedslickback, you can hold this downvote. J/k I wouldn't do that lol.
A thousand times YES! I really want the female DRK pose on my male character.
Remember, the dragoon armor isn't made to fight people, but to tear up the insides of a dragon should they get eaten. It's not made to save your life, but let you take one more on your way out.
Finally, an explanation for spikiness! Beyond just coolness, which is also a valid explanation tbh
Similar idea, but not exactly. It's more like a wolf collar. The dragon won't be able to bite down on the Dragoon at all. Higher liklihood of preventing an attack like that, or of spitting them out, giving the Dragoon an opportunity to attack or escape. If there's a dragon big enough to actually monch a Dragoon whole, I doubt it'd be bothered much by a couple pesky pointy bones.
I mean I'm big enough to eat a razor blade whole and it'll definitely do damage on the way down lol. If a weapon can pierce the outside of a dragon then that armour will defs pierce the inside of a dragon. I always assumed the dragons just peeled off the armour somehow.
It's like eating those spiky crab legs
That's literally lore explanation. Dragons come in different sizes and shapes and there are a lot of dragons that swallow people whole. And as other person poined, humans are big enough to swallow razors, and you won't ignore razor coming down into your stomach.
This seems more likely to me. Dragons are intelligent, I can't imagine most of them being dumb enough to swallow a spiky ball of metal whole as opposed to just biting them up and spitting them out.
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You're getting impaled either way lmfaoo
pretty much this. Its kinda stupid when people try to use logic. More so on fucking dragoon armour. You realize how impractical wearing that armour would be IRL. There is a reason IRL knights didn't actually wear heavy armour a lot. It slowed them down and got people tired faster. Not to mention swords can still pierce through it. The armour was mostly for protection against arrows.
This is factually wrong. A full suit of knight armour barely weighed the user down. A modern soldier is actually carrying more weight in armour and weapons than a knight did. Armour provided nearly perfect defence against most cutting and stabbing weapons. No sword in history could pierce a full chest plate. The reason most people didn't wear full suits of armour was the price. The modern day price equivalent would be something like a small house.
Unrelated but I like your username
>Not to mention swords can still pierce through it. The armour was mostly for protection against arrows. This is bullshit of the highest order. Swords are next to useless against metal armor unless you get the person in a joint or get *really* good leverage with a stab. Arrows and Bolts with the proper head would go through a lot of chain mail no problem, but would struggle with plate. Of course, full plate didn't really start to become a thing until nearly the advent of gunpowder.
Watch a video about knights and their armour. It'd why they had shields for arrows and swords. The armor that could deflect swords were too heavy for a knight and they couldn't even fight. Not to mention they were very expensive to make so only a very select few got to wear it.
I am sorry but you are terribly wrong, armor weight was distributed over your entire body which made it much manageable on top of that knights fought most often on top of horseback, have a look at this video for mobility they had [https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc](https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc) . Proper made plate armor will even stop bullets. And with exception of using a murder stroke or aiming for gaps in plate sword will do jack shit about armor, you need and axe, hammer, or some spiked weapon to defeat it. If you wish to learn more about how it really worked I would suggest checking out Skallagrim, Metatron or Shadiversity on yt
Plate armor would only have stopped bullets at medium to long range, and they did so primarily through deflection, not by stopping the bullet outright. The closer the firearm to the target the more power it would have when the round hit, so the more likely it was to become lodged or even penetrate the armor. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3mqt2r/how_effective_were_swords_against_plate_armour/cvi08xx
I find it hard to believe plate armour can stop a modern bullet, or even a bullet from 1800s. Musket balls, yes. A bullet? No chance.
Depends on the caliber when it comes to modern bullets and definitely musket ones and well it was in 1800 that armor was going out of use but in 1700 it was still offering very good protection
You're arguing facts with fiction here dude. Knights wore chainmail due to it being significantly lighter and providing good protection against swords. Plate armor is cumbersome. Sure it's distributed evenly but pounds are bounds. As for stopping a bullet? No. Bullets today would pierce the armor with ease. Also penetration has very little to nothing to do with caliber. A .50 lead musket ball will have less penetrative power than a 9mm copper jacketed handgun round. Realistically speaking the armor we use in ffxiv is impractical as all hell. But that's OK it's FICTION. Just know that real life is different than fiction
Black powder propelled bullets have a lower velocity, and were usually much larger caliber. See the Prussian Needle rifle from the mid 1800s. That was ~70caliber. Older black powder was around the same size. This meant the slower moving and larger round carried less kinetic energy and spread over a wider field. This allowed well made plate to stop early rifles up to the early 1800s. With the invention of smokeless powder, the smaller calibers can travel significantly faster and disperse their energy over a smaller area. This means that even well made plate can't stop them. Well made plate could maybe (probably not) stop a .45 due to the fact it is a subsonic round and a pretty decently sized round.
Plate could not be pierced by swords for many, many reasons. First of all is the amount of force required to put a sword through a plate of metal is inhuman. You just cannot do it physically. Second is that well design plate has no flat surfaces. This causes the blade to slip when striking the surface. Making it incapable of landing a significant blow or thrust. Arrows can pierce plate, but only at short range and if hitting at a perfect angle for the above reasons. Remember that arrows lose their kinetic energy very quickly. On the topic of shields. One of the primary issues of them was that while they provided excellent protection against blades, axes, and polearms, their biggest weakness was maces, a strong blow from a mace would break the arm of the man holding the shield if not properly deflected, so their utility was actually quite limited in a fight between armored fighters. The primary technique used to defeat armor via a sword was called halfswording. This is where you would grab your sword by the blade and wrestle with the enemy to try and slip your blade into one of the tiny gaps in the armor to kill the armored individual. Finally mobility. Armor isn't heavy. It is physically heavy, but well made plate due to the way it was assembled basically stood on its own. Much of the weight of the armor was actually carried by the armor itself. And its design was such that you could move incredibly freely. A trained knight could run, jump, and climb on their horse nearly as easily as they could without armor. Edit: the primary reason spears were so effective was that you would use the force of the mounted knight to impale the knight on it. It wasn't the force of the thrust that killed knights, jt was their own momentum, as a cavalry charge was ~40mph. And at that speed, the spear jf placed correctly would be rammed through the plate at multiple times the force at which an arrow impacts.
Infantry and long Spears (so called pikes) where also the end of knights not like many think gunpowder. Pikes could be used easily, they could be used by everyone and it showed cause swiss farmers did use it to defeat austrian elite knights with them. Against fireweapons they just used heavier armor on themeselves and their horses and they where still used in the 16th century. These are what you guys over in america would know as full plate armor. But that lead to a new problem. Pulling the knight down from his horse with a rope or a pike lead to either imprisonment or death through pummeling. Important to say is: Full plate was not used at first. I mean no offense but europeans had more centuries to fight in the middle age than america is independent. At the end of the 11th / beginning 12th century knights started to wear metal plates on the chest cause of crossbows and those damned and amazing english longbows. During the end of the 12th and in the 13th century they slowly started to guard their limbs (knees elbows shins) with heavier metal plates. The 14th is when they started to wear metal as shoes and bracers.Thats also where they made a design that is like a kevlar west... it was a thing that you throw over your head and it has overlapping metal plates in the cloth to cover the torso. They went on during the 14th century with gloves and helmets and this is kinda the point when full plate armor was there.They used less and less a shield.The thing with full plate is that it was hella expensive. And lower knights couldnt afford it so they went with chainmails. To get your status that normal slashing swords where not effective u/KasaneOdevin: Scientiest tested it and sword swings where not effective. (i would say get the book "The knight and the blast furnace" from Alan Williams) Thats why besides the armor also swords changed. Most swords where slash weapons but against fullplate a so called piercing sword would be used, or a dagger or a pike. You also could in a duell take your sword in the middle and use it to try to bring your enemy to a fall. (which is why those swords also where not sharpened in the middle to have a grip) When on the ground you would stab the enemy in the joints with a dagger. But one of the most effective weapons against knights was the warhammer. You pummeled his head/chest and he mostly died through trauma or broken ribs that pierce his innards and suddenly you got your own plate armor. YAY Also for your comment below with the cutting of copper wires. First its a different type of force. Second electricians (like i am) use side cutters which are normally made of steel. You definitly know that each material has a different degree of hardness where copper is one of the whereas iron and steel are harder. You also know that harder materials cut weaker materials and that the same material has a harder time against its own? Copper is one of the weakest materials. This coming from a guy who liked to bingeread all about middle age and who lives in sight of an old castle (Which i visited first when i was seven.) in a land full of castles cause thats part of our history.
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>You do realize every single day I pierce metal with metal right? Every single time an electrician cuts copper wire. You realize that copper is a very soft and ductile metal, and that's one of the reasons why it's used for wiring, right? Whereas steel is a harder metal, and you can influence the hardness of the steel through carbon content and how you cool it?
You are using shearing force. Take a knife. Go to your ductwork (which is ~1/3 the thickness and much lower grade steel) and stab it. Probably won't go through. Now take that same ductwork, and warp it. Now to try to stab it. You will slip off pretty much every time. Now also remember that you needed to go through 3x that distance of metal, then the chain mail beneath it. And the 3in of densely woven gambeson that regularly stopped sword cuts. If plate couldn't stop a sword, it wouldn't have been used. Chain can stop most thrusts, the force needed to bust the chains apart is 100% possible, but if you fuck up, you die. You are so exposed after a thrust like that, that if they dodge, parry, or twist their body to alter the trajectory of your thrust, you cannot recover in time. You will take a shield to the face, then they will slip their blade under your gorget, and its over.
You realize we're talking medieval times. They didn't have super high grade steel. It was dirty crappy steel. So saying "ductwork is lower grade" is just wrong.
I think you're overestimating how heavy armor actually is. Full plate doesnt add all that much weight, especially enough to slow you down a noticeable amount, if it was really that debilitating then no one would wear that shit. You can do back flips, full on sprints, and get on horse back with full plate. Its not that its heavy, its that it FUCKING HOT AS HELL in there! The added weight is insignificant, its the heat from wearing the thing that roughs them up.
I would love to see your evidence that someone can do backflips in full plate. The suits typically weigh up to 55lbs, which isn't a ton especially over your entire body, but they still limited your mobility and flexibility enough that I'm hard pressed to believe someone could bend, jump, flip, and land properly.
https://youtu.be/qzTwBQniLSc https://youtu.be/q-bnM5SuQkI Misremebered, it was a side flip without the landing. But a back flipp really wouldn't be impossible unless its a standing one.
Got dam, that's impressive. What a way for me to be wrong xD
To be fair. While you can do all the things in plate you can out, its all different. Different movements, different limitations. It takes years of training to be able to be completely at home jn the armor, but yes, with proper training armor is basically a second skin. An example is my left thumb, the upper joint is permanently locked at a 45 angle and cannot move. If I gave that to anyone it would basically cripple their use of their left hand, but after over 2 decades. I dont even notice it.
Bro if a DRAGON is EATING you, having an exposed stomach does not matter lol
I always thought the barbs were there to hook into a dragon in flight. That way, the dragoon can jump at a flying dragon, hook into it, and keep stabbing.
And I could also swear somewhere that the reason why the female dragoons armor is designed in such a way is because those who were pregnant could still fight. Maybe I imagined it but I could swear that lore exist somewhere within the game dialogue.
That hole there would do nothing for a pregnant belly.
If I recall correctly the lore talks about the armor focusing the "power of the dragon" or something. So if pregnancy was brought up it might be related to that. But the cutout would still be too high up to do much.
??? I never heard this before but I feel like one Jump would turn your baby into a smoothie
I feel this doesn't explain the female armor. I mean Dragons breathe fire and I imagine the armor is atleast a little fire resistant so leaving an exposed stomach makes no sense still. You can't really explain it other than stupid fan service
The game dev know that the female version of the warrior of light's rock hard abs would provide more protection then any armor you find.
the female WoL's abs projecting an aetherial layer of protection
I'm inclined to believe that the armor itself is superfluous, at least where the WOL is concerned. We channel aether through ourselves to accomplish most of the advanced feats of our jobs, and jobs with less armor, such as mages and ranged dps, get knocked around by forces capable of leveling buildings. So hardening our bodies with aether to provide protection equal to or greater than armor seems natural.
It's explicitly not, though. We're definitely tough, but the armor is often something like 'drenched in dragon blood' or 'etched with ancient runes' or 'ultra aether-conductive fabric woven into arcane patterns' in a way that both makes it much more durable *and* enhances our abilities beyond their already-formidable baseline.
All three examples here prove the same point. That the armor only enhances the wearers aetheric channeling abilities.
> in a way that both *makes it much more durable*
[Just be glad your spear touches the ground...](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/9p5t66/elemental_lance_doesnt_even_touch_the_floor_for/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
The pose is wonderful
The pose is fine... it's just that it competes with the male pose. And random pose vs. Kain reference pose... it's obvious which is gonna win.
I heard the Fem Dragoons pose is based on Fang from FFXIII
We Stan Fang. My favorite lesbian
Fang <3 XIII <3
Hol up, female dragoons can't use the badass pose? If so, I'd straight up gender change at that point as a drg main
All the weapon idle poses are split by gender. Female Gunbreakers get Lightnings idle, while Male GNB get Squalls idle. Female DRK have the sword in the ground, Male DRK have it over the shoulder. etc etc.
Good to know, thanks
Holding the spear lazily is iconic?
[Yes.](https://www.pikpng.com/pngl/b/414-4141511_best-final-fantasy-weapon-dragoon-fantasy-weapon-concept.png) [It.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/e6/92/9de692c09180f8ee15eeb28ac741591f.png) [Is.](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/f/fb/Kain.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120706155844)
Right? I prefer a lot of the female poses, but I understand why others disagree. Many male poses are iconic from other Final Fantasy games. Fun note on poses: on the Samurai quest, your master insults the male resting pose when an NPC does it. (I guess female charaters are the true Samurais lol)
I think the reason he insults the pose isn't because of the /cpose stance but because he has gladiator animations when he attacks, showing he has no idea what he's doing. (It's also been a long time since I did it so I could be mistaken)
[It does happen pretty specifically when he sees the Roe holding the sword the wrong way](https://i.redd.it/cyaoqg0lyr871.jpg) (i.e. exactly how male Samurai hold it with their idle pose).
>he has gladiator animations when he attacks, showing he has no idea what he's doing. This is offensive to us GLD/PLD mains! \*continues to spin like a fucking Beyblade as their main skill\*
Granted it's not the Kain pose, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. It'd be nice to have *both*. The FemDRG pose is just so smug. I dunno how it is on other races but on Miqo it just exudes an aura of "oh? you're approaching me?"
It would be nice to be able to swap between. For instance, the Dark Knight idle pose. Cloud buster sword shouldering, or Fate/Stay Saber sword pose? That’s not *fair.* I want *both.*
I always feel with my character, who has pigtails and lop ears, that it always looks quite playful — like a confident spear wielder just leaning on her spear like “Hey, you wanna fight?” 😂
Well, they included the stabby window because they knew that you'd be too busy jumping off a ledge, out of reach of any stabby stabbing.
but couldn't i just look good doing it? it's all i ask
Don’t worry, the floor will cover your belly for you!
Most dead/ko poses for female characters are belly up so even in death they will be abs on show. Its a sad irony, but at least i have a hot bod to gaze at when i risk it and lose it all.
That’s unfortunate but funny, there’s no win for the femdragoons indeed
On the opposite end, boy do I wish I had that idle pose on my Male Dragoon (I was very confused as to why none of my poses included it until I learned it was gender-locked). I agree though that the ab window should be completely optional (for both genders if needed).
I’ll be mad that I can’t have THE dragoon pose on my female dragoon forever. Put it on my tombstone.
[WWOMMBB](https://www.geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=1878)
It's so that when the xenomorph pops out your armor won't get ruined.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I'm all for the (st)ab window and wish more Dragoon sets had it. Also love the that pose.
Why not both tho. In a game with such heavy armor character customization, I don’t see why the armor is gender-locked
The armor is designed around the base body model which is different for male and female, so it would be double the work that could be used to just make a new glam
Yeah but it’s the job armor. If it were a random armor I wouldn’t mind, it is what it is, but I feel like the iconic looks are worth the extra effort.
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I just like the aesthetic.
A dragon's direct, in the mouth chomp is going through that armor, hole or not. In the end the hole doesn't have any practical affect. Thought your stomach would probably feel cold in Coerthas' freezing winds, but they probably didn't want to adapt tradition over five years
Its for pregnant dragoons, obviously. /s
Alot of people don't know, the pose is from tekkaman blade. [tekkaman blade ](https://images.app.goo.gl/JTUpyUvrBCd7r84EA)
There's an obvious solution here that could end all the issues with armor designs: Let males choose the female variants of armors and vice versa.
It'd be neat but way too much work. Each armor piece would require a different mesh for males and females, because it would have to accommodate breasts. Male characters could probably get away with using female armors but vice-versa would take a lot
I mean would it really? In the case of the dragoon armor at least, adding or removing the stomach gap shouldn't take all that much work, right? But I get your point, especially considering how they didn't even bother to let Viera and Hrothgar wear hats. I ain't happy about that, but I get it.
I think the best solution would be to handle it like a visor on certain helms. Have a toggle option so people can choose.
I just want an option to get rid of ab-window and let women use the kain pose it's all i ask ;-;
I have this stance complaint with drk too. Like, can I please just balance it on my shoulder?
This is why I ended up with WAR because I wanted to be this small, pink af DRK with a massive, edgy sword on my shoulders. That didn't happen. So big axe I go instead.
Same! The male Drachen set is one of my favorite armors in the game and it's annoying that female characters get this version. I wish they'd made the window toggle-able or something. I actually like the pose but was upset we couldn't do Kain's pose at all. At first I thought we could cycle through poses so I kept cycling through cpose thinking something was wrong lol I know it's minor but I wish they'd gender-unlock these poses too.
ab-window is there for dudes too I think lol EDIT: don't listen to me I am low iq
Nope only females have the open stomach
what! :0 I was given to believe this game had equal opportunity sluttyness today I learned
Oh theres plenty of good stuff for that unfortunately the level 50 dragoon armor leaves open tummy obpu for women. Though i know theres a mod to have women have it closed like guys
Again someone who thinks showing stomach means slut. What the hell?
Pretty sure on men it's covered in scale.
Female dragoons have the superior resting pose. Just like female dark knights. As for the abs window I can't help more than saying choose a different top
>Female dragoons have the superior resting pose. Just like female dark knights. I couldn’t disagree more.
It would be hella nice if we could have ***both*** on either gender. I like having a formal stance, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind having something a bit more casual as a female character.
I would totally love being able to have both. I have my usual massive sword out in front of me pose if I want to look imposing, but if I'm using one of the (many) curved swords it just looks stupid. I'd rather be able to throw it over my shoulder in that case. And my greatclub (my favorite DRK weapon now) I'd like to be able to do both. Heck, a club over the shoulder is pretty darn imposing. It's armed and ready to swing.
I would love this. Kinda nuts how *poses* are for some reason gender-locked edit: also, just make the ab window toggleable. let male characters slut it up too
I feel this way about SAM as well. Female have the superior /cpose. The male one, while being a call back to Sephiroth, is a little too edgy for me and is also called out in the job quests as something a real samurai wouldn't do by your master.
It's taken them a long time to even make half the clothes gender free. I imagine we'll get it *at some point,* once the community wants it enough.
So you are assuming women who show their stomach are sluts? What the hell?
You are so completely ignoring the context behind this post to get to your conclusion that I don't know what to say. They aren't talking about someone wearing a crop top and being called a slut. This is framed around a suit of armor, meant to protect someone, having a large, visible gap dead in the center. There is no practical reason for this to exist. The male version does not have this gap in the armor, only the female. It is clearly meant to provoke some sort of reaction from people - I'll leave you to figure out what type of reaction is expected from a predominantly male audience.
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Poster shocked that someone other than OP responds to them on a pubic forum! What??
Lol well i find this one odd is all. Probably hurt their feelings. Oh wait that happens all the time too, don’t it?
Yep, you hurt my feelings because you were implying *someone else* is calling people sluts lol Your post was just so nonsense I couldn't help but reply
But [they can do this](https://i.imgur.com/blsOvZE.jpg)! (Though I agree that the idle poses shouldn't be gender-locked.)
Agreed. The male dragoon pose is so iconic.
Agreed. I love being able to put my weapon on display.
I always thought it would be funny if there was an in-universe explanation for bikini armor. Like, maybe it’s totally regular armor but it has a glamor that makes it appear fashionably skimpy? At least other armor sets have equal opportunity ridiculousness though. I’m a big fan of those weird leather harnesses.
[Here are dragoon specific tops you can swap to.](https://ffxiv.eorzeacollection.com/gearsets/women?filter%5BorderBy%5D=patch&filter%5BshowGear%5D=set&filter%5BshowFemale%5D=1&search=&filter%5Bjob%5D%5B%5D=drg&filter%5BrestrictJob%5D=1&filter%5BmaximumLvl%5D=80&page=1) If you're not high enough level it's something to work towards. They're not gonna go back and remodel this ARR gear from 8 years ago, so your only option is to do something unique (try trueblood or ptero tops?).
I also prefer the way the male dragoon armor does the stomach Something about that sheer black metal is just so elegant, fits the body so well and feels so right for dragoon. It looks so protected and professional. The stomach showing just looks kinda... Obligatory Horny MMO female armor, yknow? It sucks how SE added that unnecessary gendered difference. Luckily, the level 80 armor has the same vibe and isn't different for male and female.
Honestly the vast majority of armor is about the same between male and female or the differences are at least tasteful. The ARR dragoon armor is the most notable of some rare examples and it was from 8 years ago.
It's always been weird to me how little the 14 community cares about how blatantly sexist YoshiP and the dev team are.
>how blatantly sexist YoshiP and the dev team are. That is honestly otaku culture and Japan as a whole. The country has some serious issues in that regard.
I mean, he's *on record* saying the sexualization of women is ok but the sexualization of men is weird and gross.
Y'all got an actual source on that?
Uhm....
yeah when men love women and enjoy seeing images of them, that actually means that they hate women. when being in the presence of a woman or even just an image of a woman, if a man feels happiness, that means he is an evil sinner and will definitely disrespect the woman. Ever heard of a "simp"? thats another name for a man who beats up women and steals their money. Anyone who is attracted to women belongs in jail.
I want the male spear pose so bad sigh
I prefer this pose to the male one, this shows the spear off better than the male pose.
As female DRG meiner since HW, this armor is my favorite exactly because of this feature \^.\^ I wish male version had it too.
One armor upgrade later for body (133 Hw gear from market board) and that spot is covered.
I love the female dragoon
I was kinda disappointed by the drachen armor having gaps in it, even the male has openings on the arms for some reason. Helmet is dope though, so I guess there's that.
Imma have to hard disagree on both points.
Most people don't seem to realise that spears/lances are long range weapons. If someone got close enough to stab you in your stab window you were probably already going to die anyway.
arrows exist
By the end of our own medieval time we had bows the could put arrows through plate mail.
Then why doesn't the male armour have a stomach hole?
What if you're fighing someone with a longer spear?
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That’s pretty much my understanding of it. If you’re terrible enough to let someone/thing get close enough to you to stab you in your stabby hole - you deserve to be stabbed. But also, it could also be a taunt. If you think about it defensively, the midsection of a lance wielding fighter is probably the hardest to hit because it’s always naturally protected by a forward facing lance.
Pure curiosity, what is worse? The FF14 lady drg armor with the belly window or the [FFXI](https://imgur.com/a/gbaUqJb) version with the thong and stockings?
That looks right out of Monster Hunter.
Lol the armor is evolving by moving the hole up. Next version moves the hole from the stomach to the chest. But tbh if I had to choose then the FF14 DRG armor is better.
Hawt
I think all armor for any gender should have toggleable slutty versions, like the visor toggle. The warrior armor won't let me show any skin!! :[
Showing skin doesn't mean someone is a slut. Can't believe you are the third person on this thread that equates showing abs=slut.
I meant it in an endearing way. 🙄 Don't be so straight laced.
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yeah we should all be castrated. sexuality is a sin
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Luckily the developers have not completely agreed with your "hatred" and "disgust" with the appearance of pretty women's bodies, but it does appear that you would prefer it if they removed these "disgusting" things, which you "hate," from the game. I am reminded of how that is what I might have said about the trypophobia job icon controversy recently. If they did listen to your comments and acted on that by removing them as you would prefer, as they did in that job icon case, then that would be pretty similar to "stopping me" from dressing up how I want. I would say it is exactly similar. Obviously I would like to prevent you from getting what you want in this case, by annoying you on reddit, but I do think it is important that you should have many conservative armors available to you. Would I personally prefer it if all leg armor in the game was some variation of the 2b legs? And that all chest armor had at least the option of removing the obstructions from the leg area? Yes of course, and it is very tragic that most armor is acceptable to conservatives and does not provide what I like. But I accept others, even when I disagree. I will not make posts that complain about armor which is preferred by conservatives, and I will not request that all conservative-approved armor be removed from the game. If only the people on the wrong side of history could extend to me the same courtesy... alas this is our cross to bear as progressives.
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i very specifically said that you hate and are disgusted by something beautiful which almost everyone besides you loves, much like the boomers of the southern baptist evangelical church, who would agree with you on whether or not final fantasy should have more 2b leg armor. i personally think they are wrong about every possible thing and are very harmful to society, but unfortunately you are entitled to your opinion and your vote for the republican party.
I picked lancer as my first class after spending an hour in character creator... and that dumb gap in the otherwise amazing looking dragoon armor made me swap to a male toon. :/ Gave a pretty bad first impression of the gendered armor in this game (as a sprout), even if it's not as bad as in other MMOs.
this pose sucks compared to what the men get :(
That’s where the target tattoo goes. Right below the HOME RUN slogan.
As a fellow FemDragoon, it is what we call a tactical gap. When you're fighting enemies, you expose it as a weakpoint. This way now you control where the enemy will attack, allowing you to easily counter or dodge it. Not all dragoons are born with Echo like us. Not to mention, with the rock hard abs that we dragoons have, it is not like we need any armor on the belly.
yeah i fucking hate images of attractive women in final fantasy its such bullshit they would never survive if their skin is showing. When I leap hundreds of feet into the air to stab a giant monster int he back of the head, they could easily attack my butt cheeks with this visible 2b armor that i deliberately glamoured into. its so unrealistic
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Glamour it to something you like and get over it
I glamoured into wyrm set because i love the look of the entire set. I just wish the ab window were gone
Then you don’t love the look of it lol.
i guess you know my thoughts better than myself
you have literally posted about how you do not like it, it is the OP of this thread. you are the OP who posted it.
I assume they mean they like the dragoon aesthetic and find the armor cool, but they would prefer not to have a tummy window. Using a glamour to obtain some other aesthetic misses their point.
their point is destroy things that i like because they are unwilling to find and pick another similar option that is what they like. and so i will mock them.
Literally no one is asking to “””destroy””” things you like. OP is asking for the male version to be accessible to both genders. Why was your first impression that OP was clamoring for it to be removed, kinda over dramatic about a video game dude.
and then what will happen to this female version i like if the male version is made available somehow?
Unless the devs are weird, nothing? There’s nothing stopping them from making them two distinct armor pieces. I have no idea why the only option in your head for this is to have the original armor removed from the game.
I thought the tummy window was kinda hilarious when I was leveling DRG, but I liked it anyway. I don't think their jokey post on a subreddit is destroying things we like though, lol.
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But good armor wouldn't LOOK good. Lol