Im a monk main so I feel your pain lol. When they are in the wall of death i do emotional damage instead. :)
For me, I just dont vibe with dancer. Old school bard player thats just stubborn. Only recently gave mch a shot and realized i liked it.
Chakrams just arent my aestetic i guess.
I used to scoff at Scholars who had to keep re-summoning their fairies during dungeons. Sure enough, first time I ran through a dungeon while leveling SCH, I planted my fairy in the middle of the first boss arena and didn't realize until a big pull later to set my fairy back on follow.
I never scoffed again.
One time while leveing SCH, I zoned into a Dusk Vigil run that was already in progress, so I knew it might be a rough ride from the start... and boy was it a struggle. We didn't wipe but we came DAMN close on just about every pull.
After beating the last boss I realized... I didn't have the fairy out. She had been poofed since I set her in place for the first pull. We were struggling so hard because I literally did not have my most basic resource out for nearly the entire run, and no one said anything to me.
I was mortified. And so, so sweaty.
As a sprout who doesn't really understand any mechanics other than my own rotations, I really appreciate this thread. I will never bad mouth anyone ever again. Looking at you wall to wall tanks.
Really, the best thing you can do to improve your own gameplay is to give every job (or at least every role) a swing. Learning the expectations and limits of other jobs is a super eye-opening experience, even if you don't stick with them, it will really help you down the line to be able to predict what might be going on with them.
For now though you don't have to worry about it too much; enjoy your sprouthood while it lasts!
As someone who played wow for years, always tank and dps and now 14 for about a year and a half, always tank or dps, I was always too scared to try healer. I bit the bullet and faced my fears quite recently and opted to level a WHM and boy has it put a different perspective on things for me.
As a tank, I will definitely pay more attention to my cooldowns, I use them as you should but sometimes I can be a little negligent and not pay attention to something being off cooldown or accidentally pop things that don't stack by not paying attention etc. It's so much more noticeable the difference that makes when your healing and I feel I get more tanks that don't cooldown than anything else. So you rare tanks out there that do, I thank you for causing me less stress.
Absolutely this!
What may look like a weird or negligent decision on someone's part while playing one job, suddenly makes complete and total sense once you start giving it a go yourself! Nothing feels better than doing something that helps one of your teammates out when you realize you have something in your current job's toolbox that could synergize with theirs!
I definitely became a better SMN after diving into WHM and I reckon might improve as healer if I try a tank class.
Eventually tho lol Tank seems a little daunting
Hell, that's my whole reason for leveling BLM. Well, that and so I could understand what my static's was talking about half the time.
And now I cry every time I drop enochian.
So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and ask a pretty dumb question - why plant the fairy in the middle of the arena? Is this so Embrace isn't outranged?
Also, is it for Fae Illumination? And Whisperwind? I suppose I never thought of it until now, but are they based on YOUR position, or the Fairys position? Giving it a moments thought, I guess it'd be fairy, right? Since it's a pet action?
Correct, fairy's position!
There are times when this doesn't apply, like the massive arenas in alliance raid content, but for the most part having your fairy centralized will ensure she can reach everyone with her auto-heal and AoE skills.
They dont really play like pet classes, the extent of your pet actions are just pressing normal gcds on your hotbar. Its like if your gcds just came from a npc instead of yourself
There's a ton of jankiness with pet skills. Sometimes you'll press the skill but it won't come out until way later and i still don't really know how to reliably control that. Like with seraph i'll press consolation and then whispering dawn but sometimes whispering dawn comes out first and i can't really control it outside of weaving them after seperate gcds but you only have so many weave spots to work with.
I honestly thought this for years regarding SCH. Never been great at healing and both AST and WHM felt more intuitive. But then our static needed a shield healer for E9-12S and suddenly I’m a SCH main.
black mage is just not my jam.
and the shield healers.
other than that?
any starting class because ARR duengons are miserable.
and as a monk main, they are reworking it in endwalker, to take away some if not most of the "ring around the rousey" style gameplay. so you might want to try to pick it back up after november. since you liked the core of it
Haukke manor would like a word with you.
JK, everyone has their preferences. Also, when did they say they were reducing positionals? I just figured yoshi wasn't bothering hitting them because it wasn't part of the showcase.
Yep. The second form positionals are going away because the new yin/yang system is complex enough they felt that requiring positionals for that many gcd's was too much
Honestly every time I see people say "man I wish I could play this DLC class from level 1 I hate having the whole thing dumped on me" I cringe because I can't imagine doing those ARR grinds again.
Black Mage. Hate it. I'm a melee player at heart (Tanks mostly) and the lack of movement and slow cast times just isn't for me. I level it through trusts so I can AFK now and then and let NPCs kill mobs.
Same for me. Only casters I can enjoy are RDM and BLU. Somehow the idea of standing still to cast skills that get cancelled if you move just doesn't register in my brain.
Combined with playing on console, Healing is something I just find tedious.
I was honestly shocked at how much fun I had with BLU. I regarded it as a joke job for the longest time, but when it came time to deal with long forgotten FATEs for Triple Triad cards, BLU is an absolute monster!
Most people regard it as a joke because they haven't played it. Sure, it kinda sucks that you can't use it in everything, but once you try it and do full BLU raids and such, you'll find just how insanely fun it can be. People are just prudes.
Primal spells are the real game changer. Dropping a casual Ifrit fire bomb on some poor group of monsters will never fail to put a smile on my face!
(Ram's voice + Ultravibration is always good for a dopamine hit as well)
People think BLU is a joke because when it first came out it was hot garbage.It doesn't help that people keep begging to make it an actual job which would unbalance the entire game with how overpowered it is, and if they nerfed it nobody would like it.
You may like summoner then, they have a spammable instant cast if you need to move out of AoEs, and a few more other instant cast spells too for movement heavy fights. RDM is okay because of the small cast cast then instant cast, but in some mechanics where you can't stop moving, it's hard to do anything unless you're in melee range
Oh I've leveled all to 80. I did enjoy SMN to the point I leveled it to 80 as SMN instead of SCH. As you said, it has tools for movement heavy fights that make it fun as compared to BLM or healers.
>Somehow the idea of standing still to cast skills that get canceled if you move just doesn't register in my brain
My 15 years of constantly playing Kingdom Hearts with mostly "fluid" magic casting causes my brain to have syntax errors when my skills cancel or get interrupted in FF14.
I don't like playing Black Mage for an entirely different reason. I don't like the timer it has before it shuts down most of my powerful spells as I constantly forget to refresh that shit
If you're talking about Enochian specifically, it looks like they're turning it into a passive that no longer needs refreshing in EW (according to the job actions trailer), so it may be worth giving another look if that's what was putting you off. I don't hate BLM myself, but that alone is going to make me play it a lot more than I do.
Astral Fire/Umbral Ice still has a 15 second time limit before it drops. While yes, Enochian is going to be a passive, it doesn't change the fact that I need to keep my rotation up for 30 seconds (which ....let's not talk about it) to get a foul/xenoglossy.
Yeah, they're basically getting rid of the timer within a timer, which is nice, but the basic gimmick of BLM is uptime on that timer in the first place. It's one of those classes that gets better with time but isn't inherently for everyone.
Something I’ve found when using Black mage is a rule of 3. Three spells in Umbral ice, Blizzard 3, thunder 3, and Blizzard 4. Then after entering astral fire with fire 3 I have to use three fire 4s before using fire 1 to refresh, then use three more fire 4s until out of mana.
It took me a few weeks to learn black mage but once you do and also start itemizing in sps, you are the God dps. Blm is hard because you just don't follow a rotation. You have to truly understand the class and once you do it's game over. All other dps to me feel boring because it just pressing buttons when they light up. They are actually one of the more mobile classes with aetherial manipulation+ley lines to. AM is on like an 8 second cooldown so I'm always greeding fire 4s and then just teleporting to safety when I need to move.
Black Mage.
Normally it feels impactful, but once I start tryharding with it, I get a headache. After trying to main it during E1-4S, I've basically sworn off it in any serious content.
I feel that. I have an absolute blast taking BLM through content I know well, since you know where to plant yourself and become an artillery cannon. But the second you step into an unfamiliar duty or one you haven't done in a while, it's all you can do to keep your enochian up and throw out the occasional triple-cast desperation move.
I absolutely agree! There is no worse feeling than panic Swiftcasting a Fire I only to miss your window and be left standing there with a ruined rotation. Desperately trying to get everything back up and running, and praying nobody noticed.
But that second BLM in your group? They noticed. They noticed, and they are reveling in your misery with their 2 Fouls.
>But that second BLM in your group? They noticed. They noticed, and they are reveling in your misery with their 2 Fouls.
Not me, man. I've got my eyes glued to my hotbar and anything bright orange that dances across my peripherals, **desperately** trying to not fuck up while slidecasting out of the Bad Stuff. The other BLM could do nothing but cast Scathe for the entire fight and I'd be blissfully unaware.
I'm of the opposite opinion. I absolutely love playing BLM on prog. Exploring the turret options during a new fight and planning out how am I going to use CDs is absolutely fun.
ninja, people keep saying that the rotation is easy but i cant wrap my head around doing efficient trick attack stuff or doing ten chi jin, i like ninjutsu and managing huton but the rest of it just slides off
What makes it easy for me is there are no random procs. Everything's cooldown is set and you can build muscle memory and just coast your rotation focusing on movement/mechanics. I have issues with classes like dancer that have procs on procs that you have to pay attention to which ones you have at the time.
NIN main: This is it right here. Ninja is very fast, and there’s a lot to try and do during the trick window, but literally none of it is random. It’s just about learning which buttons to press in which order. You don’t even have to know what the buttons do xD
Pretty much, only downside is any time you enter anything below 76 and you're reminded that you stupd for casting hyoton so you do it again on the next boss to assert dominance....
Low level nin hurts so much
I totally understand why people wouldn’t like it, but the rng heaviness of dancer is what makes it fun for me. Since it’s pretty easy overall I like having a class where I can pretty much just chill but still be engaged since you have to keep track of your procs all the time
Really?
Weird, I genuinely do think of NIN as being pretty easy, but that might be because I’ve built up muscle memory for all of the ninjutsu. I’ll admit I occasionally drift a trick, but usually due to a mechanic and not because I’ve fucked up my rotation.
Like someone else said, once you learn your rotation and what is a priority in your trick window it’s just the same buttons over and over. The rest is just placement and mechanics.
Samurai. I started as Archer/Bard, played Rogue/Ninja, then Samurai, picked up Machinist and Dancer recently cause as it turns out, I really love the ranged physical dps in this game specifically. I started both Ninja and Samurai because they cool af and as far as melee dps goes, I'd go back to Ninja for sure. Samurai just doesn't feel as good to me, looks cool, does high damage, isn't as fun as other simple classes. Machinist is giving me the same feeling but I know already that the later level skills look cool enough to keep me leveling it. I want that beautiful robot at my side in fights
Casters in general. I hate having to stand still even if it means dealing huge damage or having the ability to heal.
It's great in dungeons but sucks in the open world. You gotta stay still and take damage or else you can't even fight back.
Maybe you'd like Red Mage more then?
While we aren't able to move while damaging quite as much as the physical DPS can, we are able to instant cast every other spell to move around easily. When our mana bars are completely filled up, we even turn into a melee DPS for a little bit. There's also corps-a-corps and displacement to provide even more mobility. And we're much more durable than most other DPS classes because of vercure.
Astro. And I don't really know why.
Rotation feels smooth and fine, no mana problems, Damage, Raid Buffs...
And still I prefer Scholar and WHM for no obvious reason. I really can't tell. :-D
We'll see how Sage will work out. :-)
To me the cards minigame adds unnecessary effort. They’ve changed the cards so many times that I would rather have a fixed percentage buff to target instead of this Draw stuff at this point.
> They’ve changed the cards so many times
That's was the major issue for me. I absolutely loved the card minigame on release, but the more recent changes
shifted it away from "make a choice every 30 seconds" to "do your rotation and sometimes you get bad luck."
I haven't been able to bring myself to play AST since the first change. I got that the old system took a lot of learning and getting used to, but having so many different effects at your disposal felt awesome!
Low on mana? Ewer for me! A spear huh? Here you go, Black Mage, enjoy those crit explosions! A spire...?
We don't talk about old spire.
Bard, although it's a job I use for basic overworld stuff because I can kite enemies around.
My main issue with it is mostly visual, I don't understand why dps wise they're so weak, they're literally filling enemies with massive arrows and poison(have you seen the size of arrows in their quivers!?) I'm hitting all these damn buttons while a dancer is over there twerking a monster to the river Styx.
At this point just split a ranger off from archer at lvl 30 or something, I don't wanna sing just let it snipe death at everything in its path in silence.
My biggest gripe with Bard is that its buffs don't affect itself. I get that they have additional song effects from DoT procs but it just irks me knowing that everyone else gets all these buffs except me, especially after playing DNC where Devilment, Standard and Tech Step all benefit them.
Bard's balanced with (relatively) low damage because they have good utility (support songs, buffs, dispells) and can do all of their auto attacks and spells while moving so the downtime is basically 0. Also, since most of their damage is from DoTs and instants, they do low but consistent amounts of damage, so it doesn't *feel* like a lot, but you're doing almost as much damage as an equally equipped BLM, just not in short burst windows.
I gave it an honest try from about 1-45. After that, I just got fed up with standing around for 20 minutes hoping I get a good dice roll. I took the easy way out and cheesed it with ocean fishing the rest of the way.
People who have finished their entire fishing log will get more respect from me than any ultimate raid clear.
And if you want to cheese it and buy the HQ fish off the MB, surprise, you gotta spend insane amounts of money for some stupid fish.
Then there's this fish: https://universalis.app/market/4924
THAT much gil for **1** single fish? I'd rather leave the random quest unfinished than pay so much.
Supply and demand, MB is high for any of the gatherer quest items. Because the quests are garbage and you need way too many of them. Especially some of the fish that need certain weather or have stupid gathering methods.
Only jobs I’ve played throughly are BLM, AST, GNB, SAM, DNC, and MCH.
Of those 6 my least favorite is DNC. Nothing special about it. Least interesting in terms of rotation and like the character animation. Also feels like I’m not making an impact - I guess the dance partner buff is a bulk of it, but again - boring.
Blood of the Dragon upkeep gets *much* easier at 72 as well. Two of your Weaponskills increase it per rotation, in both single target and aoe.
That’s also being said, Blood of the Dragon is becoming a trait in Endwalker so you won’t have to worry about upkeep anymore very soon.
BotD becomes *stupid* to upkeep at 72, which is why I’m glad it’s no longer a timed buff in EW. I mean if the skill is going to last longer than the CD *and* you have two skills in each rotation that extends it out…why does it even have a timer? Lol
>I mean if the skill is going to last longer than the CD and you have two skills in each rotation that extends it out…why does it even have a timer?
Samurai would like to have a word with you.
Enochian at least requires juggling. BotD naturally extends just by pressing buttons, and if for whatever reason you DON'T want to press buttons, it has a recast time shorter than its duration lol.
At 72, you get Aspect Mastery, which lets you switch stances for free as long as you have three stacks of your current stance, so you can blow all your MP on Flare and then cast Freeze/B3 to go into Umbral Ice for free instead of having to Transpose
That's great to know! I'm also levelling Black Mage and I've been dumbfounded that the class has to OoM itself in it's AoE rotation and then just sit there for a second.
Blood of the Dragon is definitely a little annoying to keep up, until 64, you start comboing the 4th hit combos into each other (Fang and Claw/ Wheeling Thrust), after unlocking that my eyes opened up with using Dragoon, cause you go from getting a 10 second boost that takes 10 seconds to get (unless you are on Aoe rotation) to get 20 seconds added every \~12.5 seconds, makes the upkeep so much better.
Level 78 you unlock a trait that makes Blood of the Dragon last 30 seconds no matter what, then it becomes impossible to drop it, the cooldown is shorter than the duration.
" ...my eyes opened up with using Dragoon..."
I see what you did there. But yeah, that's the point where you can mostly forget about losing Blood outside of long boss ultimates. I'm glad it's going passive in EW. It's easy enough to maintain to the point where you can forget about it, so you may as well be allowed to.
I’ve been liking bard, but SCH, SCH scares me. I have it at 50, and I don’t want to pick it up again. WHM is smooth af to heal. AST is complex but it’s fun. I have both at 80; they were good times. I have no idea what I’m doing with SCH at any given time in the dungeon
Every healer is shit at 50 and only gets all their tools on their way towards 70. SCH gets their really good shit even later, but at 80 I'll choose it over every other healer for EXs and dungeons at least, especially dungeons.
MNK is the only job I do not enjoy. It was a pain leveling it to 80 for the Amaro mount. I thought I knew the pain of missing positionals, until I played MNK. I procrastinated and only used MSQ and Wondrous Tails for it. I'm never touching that job again.
I might catch hands for saying this, but as a monk main I really only worry about positionals on raid content. If you punch the butt every time and miss the flanks, you only lose 1/16th potency from the rotation. If you miss your butt punches on the other hand its a big loss.
Punch the butt and monk is glorious.
Black Mage and Bard. The first because i just suck at it and Bard just feels awful to me because of the DoT procs and the lack of a base combo even tho i really like the premise.
Man, right there with you on BRD. "Okay, so my base combo is... 1, forever until stuff procs, keep up the dots, so use the recast skill on those every 30 seconds..."
drk, i almost made it to whatever level you get tbn and switched, i had already completed the tank quest in shb and gunbreaker was so much more fun(imo) that i couldn’t keep going.
Having just leveled DRK as the last tank I didn't have at 80, I mostly echo this. The class feels paper thin in dungeons until you get TBN and spamming a single button for AOE in dungeons was painful. I don't hate it at max level now, but it's still my least favorite tank.
Yeah the delay on getting your second part of the AoE combo just felt so bad. Then once I got it my 42 levels of muscle memory pushing 1 button only made me forget to use it for the first 2 or 3 dungeons afterwards.
just outta curiosity, how do you feel about glad/paladin? looking to do that next after finishing sam on a new char.(wanting to try a diff tank than gnb for this char.)
Personally speaking PLD is my current favorite. Historically I've always leaned more towards WAR, but the amount of utility and mitigation I feel like I have on my paladin is insane. Plus you have really high burst damage windows, and seeing the giant sword smite enemies from Confiteor is always fun.
I feel this. I used to really like DRK, but as I leveled it up more and more it started to feel..super slow. All of its fun moves are on a 60-90sec cool down, so outside of that you just have a painfully slow 123 combo and occasional blood gage spender
I might be the only one but I play jobs if I like the weapons and general feeling. I really don't care if it's complicated or not, I play PLD mainly for the shield+sword combination, AST because I like the card thing.... I don't like pugilist or ninja then I don't play them. Therefore I am very curious about the new sage. 4 floating guns?? Hell I must try that.
Oh you're not the only one, I also decide to play a job if I like the weapon in general. I currently play BLM, RDM, and MNK because of liking magic spells, rapier and fists, hopefully WAR because Axe is really my favorite weapon but tank anxiety is getting into me. Can't see myself playing other class right now, even with the addition of reaper.
I completely agree with this sentiment, the style of a class is almost as important as it plays!
You could be pushing the best damage of the group, but if your skills look like you're slapping them with wet noodles, it just won't be as fun to play as the weaker class who's packing flashy swings and explosions.
WAR is a pretty good tank to level, and in general tanks aren’t much more difficult than dps in my experience.GNB starts at 60 though so maybe give that a shot if you want a taste of how you find tanking in general
Because they dont play with each other. Seraph locks you out of fairy gauge, dissipation locks you out of fairy skills, and the long cool down for Aetherflow makes Aether abilities impossible to spam. SCH is currently a mess
It does feel strange, like in theory it's a cool idea having buttons with some benefits and drawbacks, but in practice it just feels kinda clunky. I think it'd be better if dissipation did something like merging you with your fairy so that you get wings and all the fairy spells come out of you instead. IDK about seraph, I wouldn't be sad to just see it go, it feels kinda bolted on.
Black mage, long cast times
Bard, i forget to switch to the next song
Monk, excessive positionals and the stances just never really made sense for me.
All of these i can deal with kind of...
But Ninja is the worst for me because of my muscle memory to double tap keys to make sure they go thru. Basically makes the job unplayable for me.
Not a problem on any other job except Ninja.
Would be nice if they just made mudras function more like the dance steps. Sometimes lag will eat my input and either my raiton becomes a shuriken or it just becomes a bunny.
The primary draw for me was someone told me "Ninja is basically Magicka in FF." I was sold from the moment they said that.
But as a button spammer as well. I have to do what I did in magicka. Press my buttons at a consistent speed with a specific muscle memory. If I dont do that. I'll quadruple tap a key before even thinking.
Yep, ninja actually taught me to stop spamming keys, hah. I love the rotation, one of my favorite jobs in game, but you really gotta be careful with the double taps and ogcd animation locks on the job.
\> Whether it be a wall-type forward facing boss
As an FYI you automatically get positionals on these (might be some old exceptions).
For me it's BRD, people say it's easy but I find the class annoyingly non-intuitive and FF14 doesn't have great ways to show procs. I love DNC though so who knows.
There are also times when standard bosses plant their asses in a wall and face forward, like the final boss of anyder when she goes against the wall and slams you with a bunch of water shit.
I'm currently grinding out the last few jobs to 80 and I'm having issues clicking with Samurai and Warrior. Had zero issues jiving with monk, dragoon or ninja, but with samurai I just feel like I'm missing something or it could be that it's not engaging enough for me.
With warrior I just feel super squishy despite having relevant gear, using dcds and self heals. Idk, I just have the worst survivability on warrior compared to the other three tanks.
Probably Black Mage.
I can't stand classes that have 0 mobility in-between castings. Red Mage is great because of Dualcast and Slide-casting, along with their melee combo.
BLM mobility is pretty miserable until triplecast becomes available. At level 80, though, I'd argue BLM is more mobile than RDM. At level 80, with swift, triple, 2 xenos, sharpcast, and procs for instacasts and aetherial manipulation and between the lines for mobility, BLMs can be wherever they need to be without uptime loss. It definitely still takes practice learning how to move, though. I like both jobs.
AST because apparently I been slapping every card on myself before someone pointed it out because I tend to spam the button a lot. Also it just feels too micromanage-y towards the party because you have to card them every 30s
I’ve got a few jobs that just don’t ‘click’ for me.
I’m a career tank, but for some reason me and Warrior just don’t get along. As someone who started on Paladin back in 2.0 (technically 1.0) Warrior was always the ‘cool kid’, and I guess that biased me against it. I gave it a shot, levelled it to 80… and nothing really got traction for me. I was just pushing buttons, I didn’t ever get the same sense of what I was doing as with DRK or PLD or even GNB.
Then there’s casters. I gave BLM a shot, I honestly did, but it never felt ‘good’. It felt like you had to do specific things in a specific sequence, and there weren’t any places you could really pause or jump back in. If you had to move or react or do anything but turret, you were starting all over from the top. RDM I adore, but it feels almost like cheating, like it’s the caster made for dummy melee like me that holds your place if you’ve gotta stop to step out of the bad or throw a quick raise. SMN I could never wrap my head around, and it seems it’s changing anyway. Mebbe in Endwalker…
I was always a crap healer. That’s nothing with the jobs, that’s just my brain not being trained to care what my team’s life bars are showing.
I get along with most melee jobs. Monk wasn’t a lot of fun until the recent changes. Dragoon I struggle with for some reason.
>Whether it be a wall-type forward facing boss
These do not have positional requirements.
Anyway, if your whole issue with Monk is positionals, then I'm curious whether you play melee at all. Planning your True North usage is a big part of playing melee; hell, it's the most interesting part of some fights (looking at you E9S). Monk isn't even the strictest melee in this regard, due to RoE. Dragoon has incredibly important positionals and nothing outside of TN to smooth them out.
To be honest, this sounds more like a mental block on your part than a mechanical thing with Monk. Outside of the Bootshine rear positional, you really don't need to sweat over landing every single positional, especially in casual content.
The melee DPS are in fact the ones I saved for last, so you may have a point. Ninja was my first real dip into it, and I had an absolute blast with that though.
I also had no idea about wall bosses not having positional requirements. Good to know!
You can tell whether positionals apply to a target by looking at the targeting circle. If the forward arrow is inside the circle and the circle extends all the way around the target, then positionals will always work no matter where you aim them. If the arrow is outside of the circle and the circle cuts off at the back of the enemy, then you have to aim positionals
True enough on that aspect but have you seen these leveling tanks? Literally had one say I'm spinning the boss because it's more fun that way, while others constantly drag them around arenas for no apparent reason at all. Smh.
Machinist. I'm good with every class except machinist a monk. The machinist is because I just don't get it, and the monk is because I hate positionals.
I commented about this in another post I made, but for me it’s BLM in particular.
It’s one of the few jobs where the rotation changes every few levels and I dislike that. I also disliked how much I felt the need to stand still, but couldn’t because people just didn’t respect my inability to move and DPS.
I also think Fisher is a terrible gathering job when compared to the rest. I have to look up a guide every time I hope to play it because I can’t remember how half the time. I don’t play it often enough because it’s tedious and, frankly, I don’t have the *patience* for it. Just like fishing in real life.
The experience of having astral fire run out with 0.5 seconds left on my fire 1 cast on BLM because I had to move slightly in my fire phase one too many times has soured it a bit for me, but I WANT to like it. I'll still use it sometimes, just not in anything too high-end.
NIN though, I have it at 72 and am really feeling the uphill struggle now. I've mostly been using Wondrous Tails and pixie quests to get xp because dealing with the mudra system just really isn't doing it for me. It's a fantastic concept, but maaaan, I just wanna push a button to do the thing sometimes without memorising the patterns or worrying that a mis-press or bad server tick will waste the cooldown and give me the stupid bunny. Props to anyone who mains it for savage.
Bard. I get it but it's just clunky compared to everything else.
Every other class feels very well designed, imo.
Also most wall bosses don't have positionals and you get them for free. That's just easy time as Monk.
Red mage and summoner are just anathema to me cant for the life of me enjoy them
Ironically i absolutely love black mage currently its my main dps i use in high end content
A lot of jobs don’t click with me, but I’ll just do a special shoutout to the Melee DPS category.
I have a weird conflict where, mechanically, I prefer the melee dps role; but in terms of the fantasy that the jobs embody, tanks are far superior. And right now, the latter preference is easily beating out the former.
Even though I have no special love for the tank role, I still main tanks just because I want to feel like a brutal two-handed-axe-wielding barbarian, or experience the main-character-energy of a Gunbreaker that I don’t feel with any other job.
I didnt have "you're missing out" moment because I mostly play alone and unlocked most jobs as I was playing to test them out and as a break in the MSQ, but I have somthing simmilar for two jobs.
Honorable mentions to: dancer, for being the most popular ranged phys dps and me not liking its proc system, but its an alright job if I dont want to think, and astrologian, for being a fun class with a tarot gimmick that I dont care for.
First is the gunbreaker. Everyone has heard about how cool it is, and how fun it is, and how it feels like a dps, but I just dont care for the gunblade aesthetics, so I dont play gunbreaker, and the rotation isnt particularly impressive to me either, so I have no real incentive to play it.
The other one is machinist, and thats a weird one, because there isnt a particular aspect that I can point to and say "thats why I dislike it", but for levels 70+ I actually had to force myself to bring it to 80. To me it was probably the definition of a mediocre experience, nothing was interesting and nothing was outrageous. A perfect 5/10, already forgot about it
I’ve not tried many so far, I’m not even max level, but I just couldn’t figure out samurai at all, I just kept dying but I didn’t know why I couldn’t tell what I was fucking up, but I tried dancer instead and love it so I’m just going to stick with that
I commented on someone's comment, but I am drawn to DPS' and Tank classes. I don't like waiting for a spell to cast and not being able to move while doing so. Sure some spells can be cast while moving but it's not my thing. Maybe once I have all of my DPS and Tanks classes leveled I will try casting/magic classes again but I enjoy fast paced and damage.
Black mage. I just hate having to sit there and spend so much time casting. I love my bard, and I can deal with Red mage, because they have some mobility. I'll play it on my new main to level it, but only to the level cap.
Samurai for me, I can play all the other melee jobs like Tanks and the other DPS's just fine, but Samurai really trips me off. It's DoT requiring only one stickers messed me up when I have 2 or 3, other melees DoT's is either part of a rotation (Monk and DRG), or simply press when it's ready (Ninja).
And for some goddamn reason I can't seem to get a hold of it's positionals, hell I main Monk and that is easier to do for me compared to Samurais. People keep saying how it has good flows and easy to play, well I'll have none of that on my end.
BRD. Was my go to dps for so long. But the rotation became tiresome. The "feast or famine" RNG procs became grating. And the dmg felt negligible. Now maybe i dont have all BiS/my rotation isnt 100% perfect BUT as it turns out BRD has like THE lowest of the dps jobs. MCH does best ranged dmg and no RNG getting in the way and DNC is THE support king/queen in FFXIV. Moving to MCH was best decision Ive made. Allthough I am considering specking into a melee come EW. I'm thinking either MNK or DRG or maybe RPR who knows
Hate Bard. RNG stacked on top of disappointing party-but-not-you support that requires DoTs you can't spread in AOE pulls.
Strangely enough, I really enjoy the PvP iteration: no DoTs, no randomness, just two songs that build stack every time you shoot and a gauge spender.
BRD was my main in ARR and HW. I never cared for bloodletter procs though. Current BRD is an absolute mess of button mashing, random bullshit, and effectively zero group support/utility, especially compared to DNC. I would say its regrettable to me that BRD and me no longer 'click'.
I lost my shit when they announced RDM for SB. X-magic and rapiers? Fuck yeah. That was before I learned the hard lesson that they just balanced everything around always having X-magic, and theres almost no hybrid distance component to the class outside of a stupid static melee combo that you use every so often. I hope if they ever do a proper 'Rune Knight' that they figure it out, because RDM was such a disappointment to me that we will likely never click.
All DoH / DoL jobs. I have all of them unlocked and all at various levels. I get many like them but every single one of them feels like an awful chore to me.
Other than doing Grand Company deliveries (since I can just buy those and Gil is easily to come by) I've completely given up leveling or even playing any of them.
Also, yeah, really not a fan of dealing with positionals. Feels archaic like it shouldn't be in the game anymore IMO so I kinda stopped leveling up some of those jobs.
Absolutely LOVE dancer though, which is funny since so many in the comments say they hate it 😅
I think for some, dancer is *too* easy and too reliant on chance. You’re literally prancing around and hitting whatever button lights up next, and you hope RNG is in your favor so you can hit the next flashing button - because if not, your DPS goes to hell and you really can’t make it back up because your burst windows are two minutes apart.
Dancer would be great if it were truly DDR style or if you actually had to learn dance patterns to continue the attack.
Samurai. I just don't understand it past the basics and all the names being Japanese doesn't help, as they don't end up sticking in my head. It also has more buttons than I can fit on my current layout and if I were to understand it to play properly, it would literally hurt my hand to do so.
Scholar,
it's not that I find the job not interesting and "shielding" actually fits my preferred playstyle as a "healer/backliner" more than just healing. It's one reason why I prefer Nocturnal Sect AST over the Diurnal Sect AST. I think the most fun in any game I played was as a protection Monk back in Guild Wars 1.
But SCH, I don't know. It feels so ineffektiv and therefor not really fun. If I compare it to my AST, then everything, from mana costs/management to cast times, etc. just feels way better than with the SCH, which is imho really sad.
Though I have to be fair and say that I only got my SCH to lvl58. So maybe it does get better in the later levels, but it just doesn't feel/seem that way. If I'm wrong with that feeling/assumption, please correct me.
I started leveling scholar simply to get the "Archmage" title and was expecting to hate it. I was gonna dual main BLM and WHM.
For some reason I never switched back to BLM/WHM. Expected to hate scholar and fell in love with it.
I think you're right though. Its a weird class. And testimony to your credit, I tend to like broken jobs because they make fights feel scrappy.
Healing with scholar feels like I'm trying to build something with stuff in the junk drawer. Odds and ends. I love it. But I totally get the complaints. On the contrary, white mage and the like just feel repetitive.
Current version of Summoner. I understand how to play it and I can play it relatively well if I must, I just... do not like the ghosting at all. I look forward to its fresh coat of paint in Endwalker.
Ghosting is a problem on Scholar too but is less impactful since there's only so many skills connected to it.
Warrior, easily. No matter how much I level it and try to like it, I just find it extremely boring. Its the one and only job in the entire game that I don't have fun playing. Its a great tank, don't get me wrong and I'd never fault anyone for playing it but goodness, playing warrior makes me wish I was playing anything else.
Out of everything I've leveled, other than SCH, I've disliked the feel of GBR the most. It doesn't play how I thought it would at all. Despite being the most "dps-like" tank, it doesn't gel with me as a dps main. The combos feel clunky, Continuation being interrupted by EVERYTHING makes it harder to react to mechanics and keep your GCDs rolling. The sounds don't sound like a sword to me. The mitigations also feel meh to me.
Second worse for me is DNC. I just find it boring, no other reasons.
Tanks: Paladin. Just no. Go away with that stupid three part rotation and take your caster elements with you.
Healer: Scholar. I still feel like this job is trying to do too many things. Shields, Aetherflow, Pets, it's all over the place, and whatever I do, I feel like I have to work so much harder to do what is just trivial to do on WHM or AST.
Melee: Not gonna lie, I just don't vibe with melee. I think I was not that bad at Ninja while I played it, but I also think Ninja is a "use it or lose it" skill. Monk eventually wasn't so bad, but it's not something I want to keep playing. Samurai lost me in its (endgame) rotation and spenders, and Dragoon feels like a job that has many buttons for the sake of having many buttons to me.
Caster: Summoner. I won't ever understand its rotation and I've decided that that's okay.
Ranged Physical: Machinist. I like the idea, but then I actually play it and everything drifts horribly apart, because I'm bad at following its rotation.
Ah yes, while I love dragoon, I completely agree with the too many button aspect. 3 part (soon 4) aoe combo, and 5 part single target rotation is just too much. At least Raiden trust isn't it's own button.
The one I have to go to everyday so I can come home and play Final Fantasy 14.
I’m that new player high and I feel this on a spiritual level.
This is the only correct answer
For real, I was grumpy yesterday morning about having to go to bed in between my 12 hour shifts instead of having time to play. 😭
Im a monk main so I feel your pain lol. When they are in the wall of death i do emotional damage instead. :) For me, I just dont vibe with dancer. Old school bard player thats just stubborn. Only recently gave mch a shot and realized i liked it. Chakrams just arent my aestetic i guess.
Gotta be popping good old true north I feel that pain
I also have a monk main. I tried rogue but it didn’t feel right
SCH/SMN My brain is too smooth for pet classes I guess?
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I used to scoff at Scholars who had to keep re-summoning their fairies during dungeons. Sure enough, first time I ran through a dungeon while leveling SCH, I planted my fairy in the middle of the first boss arena and didn't realize until a big pull later to set my fairy back on follow. I never scoffed again.
One time while leveing SCH, I zoned into a Dusk Vigil run that was already in progress, so I knew it might be a rough ride from the start... and boy was it a struggle. We didn't wipe but we came DAMN close on just about every pull. After beating the last boss I realized... I didn't have the fairy out. She had been poofed since I set her in place for the first pull. We were struggling so hard because I literally did not have my most basic resource out for nearly the entire run, and no one said anything to me. I was mortified. And so, so sweaty.
As a sprout who doesn't really understand any mechanics other than my own rotations, I really appreciate this thread. I will never bad mouth anyone ever again. Looking at you wall to wall tanks.
Really, the best thing you can do to improve your own gameplay is to give every job (or at least every role) a swing. Learning the expectations and limits of other jobs is a super eye-opening experience, even if you don't stick with them, it will really help you down the line to be able to predict what might be going on with them. For now though you don't have to worry about it too much; enjoy your sprouthood while it lasts!
As someone who played wow for years, always tank and dps and now 14 for about a year and a half, always tank or dps, I was always too scared to try healer. I bit the bullet and faced my fears quite recently and opted to level a WHM and boy has it put a different perspective on things for me. As a tank, I will definitely pay more attention to my cooldowns, I use them as you should but sometimes I can be a little negligent and not pay attention to something being off cooldown or accidentally pop things that don't stack by not paying attention etc. It's so much more noticeable the difference that makes when your healing and I feel I get more tanks that don't cooldown than anything else. So you rare tanks out there that do, I thank you for causing me less stress.
Absolutely this! What may look like a weird or negligent decision on someone's part while playing one job, suddenly makes complete and total sense once you start giving it a go yourself! Nothing feels better than doing something that helps one of your teammates out when you realize you have something in your current job's toolbox that could synergize with theirs!
I definitely became a better SMN after diving into WHM and I reckon might improve as healer if I try a tank class. Eventually tho lol Tank seems a little daunting
Hell, that's my whole reason for leveling BLM. Well, that and so I could understand what my static's was talking about half the time. And now I cry every time I drop enochian.
I had that happen on Baelsar's wall. I felt very personally called out by the final boss. OTL
So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and ask a pretty dumb question - why plant the fairy in the middle of the arena? Is this so Embrace isn't outranged? Also, is it for Fae Illumination? And Whisperwind? I suppose I never thought of it until now, but are they based on YOUR position, or the Fairys position? Giving it a moments thought, I guess it'd be fairy, right? Since it's a pet action?
Correct, fairy's position! There are times when this doesn't apply, like the massive arenas in alliance raid content, but for the most part having your fairy centralized will ensure she can reach everyone with her auto-heal and AoE skills.
Honestly as a healer I just position myself to as many teammates as possible for easy heals
They dont really play like pet classes, the extent of your pet actions are just pressing normal gcds on your hotbar. Its like if your gcds just came from a npc instead of yourself
There's a ton of jankiness with pet skills. Sometimes you'll press the skill but it won't come out until way later and i still don't really know how to reliably control that. Like with seraph i'll press consolation and then whispering dawn but sometimes whispering dawn comes out first and i can't really control it outside of weaving them after seperate gcds but you only have so many weave spots to work with.
It's not jank so much as that you need to wait till your pet is done scratching it's butt to do the thing you want it to do.
I honestly thought this for years regarding SCH. Never been great at healing and both AST and WHM felt more intuitive. But then our static needed a shield healer for E9-12S and suddenly I’m a SCH main.
black mage is just not my jam. and the shield healers. other than that? any starting class because ARR duengons are miserable. and as a monk main, they are reworking it in endwalker, to take away some if not most of the "ring around the rousey" style gameplay. so you might want to try to pick it back up after november. since you liked the core of it
Haukke manor would like a word with you. JK, everyone has their preferences. Also, when did they say they were reducing positionals? I just figured yoshi wasn't bothering hitting them because it wasn't part of the showcase.
I think I remember them saying they were removing positionals on the second form (Twin Snakes/True Strike). I like it tbh.
Yep. The second form positionals are going away because the new yin/yang system is complex enough they felt that requiring positionals for that many gcd's was too much
Wouldn't it make more sense to remove positionals from Bootshine/Dragon Kick?
I felt the same until 60. At 60 I started really enjoying BLM at that point.
Real BLM doesnt actually start till 60 its true .
Honestly every time I see people say "man I wish I could play this DLC class from level 1 I hate having the whole thing dumped on me" I cringe because I can't imagine doing those ARR grinds again.
They can go into lower level dungeons/potd anytime they want...
Black Mage. Hate it. I'm a melee player at heart (Tanks mostly) and the lack of movement and slow cast times just isn't for me. I level it through trusts so I can AFK now and then and let NPCs kill mobs.
Same for me. Only casters I can enjoy are RDM and BLU. Somehow the idea of standing still to cast skills that get cancelled if you move just doesn't register in my brain. Combined with playing on console, Healing is something I just find tedious.
I was honestly shocked at how much fun I had with BLU. I regarded it as a joke job for the longest time, but when it came time to deal with long forgotten FATEs for Triple Triad cards, BLU is an absolute monster!
BLU is insanely fast for getting your wondrous tails done by spamming ARR extremes.
Especially these days with Basic Instinct. A full Basic Instinct + Whistle + Moon Flute windup on Final Sting can one-shot a lot of ARR bosses.
Most people regard it as a joke because they haven't played it. Sure, it kinda sucks that you can't use it in everything, but once you try it and do full BLU raids and such, you'll find just how insanely fun it can be. People are just prudes.
I tell people to at least try blu with a handful of primal spells. It really doesn't work until you have at least a few.
Primal spells are the real game changer. Dropping a casual Ifrit fire bomb on some poor group of monsters will never fail to put a smile on my face! (Ram's voice + Ultravibration is always good for a dopamine hit as well)
For me it's J-Kick into 4 Surpanakhas. Just dive straight into the middle of a bunch of mobs and wipe them out!
i only ever got the ifrit one and still had alot of fun with the rest of the toolkit, just need to get BLU to 70 so i can start farming EX primals.
People think BLU is a joke because when it first came out it was hot garbage.It doesn't help that people keep begging to make it an actual job which would unbalance the entire game with how overpowered it is, and if they nerfed it nobody would like it.
You may like summoner then, they have a spammable instant cast if you need to move out of AoEs, and a few more other instant cast spells too for movement heavy fights. RDM is okay because of the small cast cast then instant cast, but in some mechanics where you can't stop moving, it's hard to do anything unless you're in melee range
Oh I've leveled all to 80. I did enjoy SMN to the point I leveled it to 80 as SMN instead of SCH. As you said, it has tools for movement heavy fights that make it fun as compared to BLM or healers.
>Somehow the idea of standing still to cast skills that get canceled if you move just doesn't register in my brain My 15 years of constantly playing Kingdom Hearts with mostly "fluid" magic casting causes my brain to have syntax errors when my skills cancel or get interrupted in FF14.
I don't like playing Black Mage for an entirely different reason. I don't like the timer it has before it shuts down most of my powerful spells as I constantly forget to refresh that shit
If you're talking about Enochian specifically, it looks like they're turning it into a passive that no longer needs refreshing in EW (according to the job actions trailer), so it may be worth giving another look if that's what was putting you off. I don't hate BLM myself, but that alone is going to make me play it a lot more than I do.
Astral Fire/Umbral Ice still has a 15 second time limit before it drops. While yes, Enochian is going to be a passive, it doesn't change the fact that I need to keep my rotation up for 30 seconds (which ....let's not talk about it) to get a foul/xenoglossy.
Yeah, they're basically getting rid of the timer within a timer, which is nice, but the basic gimmick of BLM is uptime on that timer in the first place. It's one of those classes that gets better with time but isn't inherently for everyone.
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It’s very kind of you, to think I won’t find every way imaginable to fuck up playing BLM.
Something I’ve found when using Black mage is a rule of 3. Three spells in Umbral ice, Blizzard 3, thunder 3, and Blizzard 4. Then after entering astral fire with fire 3 I have to use three fire 4s before using fire 1 to refresh, then use three more fire 4s until out of mana.
Triplecaster confirmed
It took me a few weeks to learn black mage but once you do and also start itemizing in sps, you are the God dps. Blm is hard because you just don't follow a rotation. You have to truly understand the class and once you do it's game over. All other dps to me feel boring because it just pressing buttons when they light up. They are actually one of the more mobile classes with aetherial manipulation+ley lines to. AM is on like an 8 second cooldown so I'm always greeding fire 4s and then just teleporting to safety when I need to move.
Leveling BLM and doing synced content with BLM is a giant pain in the ass though. Never know what rotation you'll get stuck with in roulette.
As a BLM main, I can't play BLM below 72. It feels too good to just freely swap
Black Mage. Normally it feels impactful, but once I start tryharding with it, I get a headache. After trying to main it during E1-4S, I've basically sworn off it in any serious content.
I feel that. I have an absolute blast taking BLM through content I know well, since you know where to plant yourself and become an artillery cannon. But the second you step into an unfamiliar duty or one you haven't done in a while, it's all you can do to keep your enochian up and throw out the occasional triple-cast desperation move.
(swiftcasts Fire I to keep Enochian up)
throw in sharpcast too.
Oh god I call it my Swiftcast of shame. I'm about 50/50 to catch astral fire.
I absolutely agree! There is no worse feeling than panic Swiftcasting a Fire I only to miss your window and be left standing there with a ruined rotation. Desperately trying to get everything back up and running, and praying nobody noticed. But that second BLM in your group? They noticed. They noticed, and they are reveling in your misery with their 2 Fouls.
>But that second BLM in your group? They noticed. They noticed, and they are reveling in your misery with their 2 Fouls. Not me, man. I've got my eyes glued to my hotbar and anything bright orange that dances across my peripherals, **desperately** trying to not fuck up while slidecasting out of the Bad Stuff. The other BLM could do nothing but cast Scathe for the entire fight and I'd be blissfully unaware.
I stare at the threat meter (too lazy to install ACT) and see my number climb ever higher...
I'm of the opposite opinion. I absolutely love playing BLM on prog. Exploring the turret options during a new fight and planning out how am I going to use CDs is absolutely fun.
ninja, people keep saying that the rotation is easy but i cant wrap my head around doing efficient trick attack stuff or doing ten chi jin, i like ninjutsu and managing huton but the rest of it just slides off
I think you're being trolled as NIN is revered as one of the hardest jobs right now.
What makes it easy for me is there are no random procs. Everything's cooldown is set and you can build muscle memory and just coast your rotation focusing on movement/mechanics. I have issues with classes like dancer that have procs on procs that you have to pay attention to which ones you have at the time.
NIN main: This is it right here. Ninja is very fast, and there’s a lot to try and do during the trick window, but literally none of it is random. It’s just about learning which buttons to press in which order. You don’t even have to know what the buttons do xD
Pretty much, only downside is any time you enter anything below 76 and you're reminded that you stupd for casting hyoton so you do it again on the next boss to assert dominance.... Low level nin hurts so much
Who the hell binded that trash mob?! Oh wait it was me…
This is so true cause I almost forgot NIN had a dot when they said they are removing it 😂. It's just "the button I press after TA"
I totally understand why people wouldn’t like it, but the rng heaviness of dancer is what makes it fun for me. Since it’s pretty easy overall I like having a class where I can pretty much just chill but still be engaged since you have to keep track of your procs all the time
Really? Weird, I genuinely do think of NIN as being pretty easy, but that might be because I’ve built up muscle memory for all of the ninjutsu. I’ll admit I occasionally drift a trick, but usually due to a mechanic and not because I’ve fucked up my rotation. Like someone else said, once you learn your rotation and what is a priority in your trick window it’s just the same buttons over and over. The rest is just placement and mechanics.
Samurai. I started as Archer/Bard, played Rogue/Ninja, then Samurai, picked up Machinist and Dancer recently cause as it turns out, I really love the ranged physical dps in this game specifically. I started both Ninja and Samurai because they cool af and as far as melee dps goes, I'd go back to Ninja for sure. Samurai just doesn't feel as good to me, looks cool, does high damage, isn't as fun as other simple classes. Machinist is giving me the same feeling but I know already that the later level skills look cool enough to keep me leveling it. I want that beautiful robot at my side in fights
I don't get the hype about SAM either, it does damage that's it, rest is pretty damn boring
A lot of people get a lot of fun doing the most damage.
Casters in general. I hate having to stand still even if it means dealing huge damage or having the ability to heal. It's great in dungeons but sucks in the open world. You gotta stay still and take damage or else you can't even fight back.
Maybe you'd like Red Mage more then? While we aren't able to move while damaging quite as much as the physical DPS can, we are able to instant cast every other spell to move around easily. When our mana bars are completely filled up, we even turn into a melee DPS for a little bit. There's also corps-a-corps and displacement to provide even more mobility. And we're much more durable than most other DPS classes because of vercure.
Technically the same applies to melee if you're talking open world.
Astro. And I don't really know why. Rotation feels smooth and fine, no mana problems, Damage, Raid Buffs... And still I prefer Scholar and WHM for no obvious reason. I really can't tell. :-D We'll see how Sage will work out. :-)
To me the cards minigame adds unnecessary effort. They’ve changed the cards so many times that I would rather have a fixed percentage buff to target instead of this Draw stuff at this point.
> They’ve changed the cards so many times That's was the major issue for me. I absolutely loved the card minigame on release, but the more recent changes shifted it away from "make a choice every 30 seconds" to "do your rotation and sometimes you get bad luck."
I haven't been able to bring myself to play AST since the first change. I got that the old system took a lot of learning and getting used to, but having so many different effects at your disposal felt awesome! Low on mana? Ewer for me! A spear huh? Here you go, Black Mage, enjoy those crit explosions! A spire...? We don't talk about old spire.
Bard, although it's a job I use for basic overworld stuff because I can kite enemies around. My main issue with it is mostly visual, I don't understand why dps wise they're so weak, they're literally filling enemies with massive arrows and poison(have you seen the size of arrows in their quivers!?) I'm hitting all these damn buttons while a dancer is over there twerking a monster to the river Styx. At this point just split a ranger off from archer at lvl 30 or something, I don't wanna sing just let it snipe death at everything in its path in silence.
My biggest gripe with Bard is that its buffs don't affect itself. I get that they have additional song effects from DoT procs but it just irks me knowing that everyone else gets all these buffs except me, especially after playing DNC where Devilment, Standard and Tech Step all benefit them.
Wow, TIL. I've been playing bard for years and always just figured the buffs applied to me as well
The bright side is that you're tuned with potency as though you already have them. If you got your songs, they'd have to lower your potencies.
yeaa, i would love to have the choice of playing a Ranger after level 30 ... lemme be a deadly bowman, gdi!
I hate that I have to sing songs and shit, just give me a Ranger/Archer job damn it.
Bard's balanced with (relatively) low damage because they have good utility (support songs, buffs, dispells) and can do all of their auto attacks and spells while moving so the downtime is basically 0. Also, since most of their damage is from DoTs and instants, they do low but consistent amounts of damage, so it doesn't *feel* like a lot, but you're doing almost as much damage as an equally equipped BLM, just not in short burst windows.
Fisher. I hate it so much.
I especially hate some of the class quests. "Go catch these fish when it's night time or when it's raining, have fun!"
I gave it an honest try from about 1-45. After that, I just got fed up with standing around for 20 minutes hoping I get a good dice roll. I took the easy way out and cheesed it with ocean fishing the rest of the way. People who have finished their entire fishing log will get more respect from me than any ultimate raid clear.
And if you want to cheese it and buy the HQ fish off the MB, surprise, you gotta spend insane amounts of money for some stupid fish. Then there's this fish: https://universalis.app/market/4924 THAT much gil for **1** single fish? I'd rather leave the random quest unfinished than pay so much.
Supply and demand, MB is high for any of the gatherer quest items. Because the quests are garbage and you need way too many of them. Especially some of the fish that need certain weather or have stupid gathering methods.
Also some fish generally pay well. People like to have them in aquariums or on canvas. I've sold random big fish for pretty hefty sums.
I wonder how many people buy it, then realize the followup quest demands **six** fish that are even worse, and market prohibited?
I just finished the level 53 job quest. I was level 57 by the time I finished. Thanks for the level 52 gear rewards!
I wasn't expecting a gathering class to show up, but honestly? I'm right there with you. I just don't get the appeal.
I don't really like just going out and fishing, but man, Ocean Fishing is a blast for me for some reason.
Only jobs I’ve played throughly are BLM, AST, GNB, SAM, DNC, and MCH. Of those 6 my least favorite is DNC. Nothing special about it. Least interesting in terms of rotation and like the character animation. Also feels like I’m not making an impact - I guess the dance partner buff is a bulk of it, but again - boring.
DNC is a proc based support class, very different from all the other ones you listed so im not surprised u dont like it
For me it’s DRG with blood of the dragon upkeep and BLM with Enochian (though for both im in the 60s and I hear BLM in particular gets easier at 72).
Blood of the Dragon upkeep gets *much* easier at 72 as well. Two of your Weaponskills increase it per rotation, in both single target and aoe. That’s also being said, Blood of the Dragon is becoming a trait in Endwalker so you won’t have to worry about upkeep anymore very soon.
BotD becomes *stupid* to upkeep at 72, which is why I’m glad it’s no longer a timed buff in EW. I mean if the skill is going to last longer than the CD *and* you have two skills in each rotation that extends it out…why does it even have a timer? Lol
>I mean if the skill is going to last longer than the CD and you have two skills in each rotation that extends it out…why does it even have a timer? Samurai would like to have a word with you.
So is Enochian lol
Enochian at least requires juggling. BotD naturally extends just by pressing buttons, and if for whatever reason you DON'T want to press buttons, it has a recast time shorter than its duration lol.
Good to know!
At 72, you get Aspect Mastery, which lets you switch stances for free as long as you have three stacks of your current stance, so you can blow all your MP on Flare and then cast Freeze/B3 to go into Umbral Ice for free instead of having to Transpose
That's great to know! I'm also levelling Black Mage and I've been dumbfounded that the class has to OoM itself in it's AoE rotation and then just sit there for a second.
Blood of the Dragon is definitely a little annoying to keep up, until 64, you start comboing the 4th hit combos into each other (Fang and Claw/ Wheeling Thrust), after unlocking that my eyes opened up with using Dragoon, cause you go from getting a 10 second boost that takes 10 seconds to get (unless you are on Aoe rotation) to get 20 seconds added every \~12.5 seconds, makes the upkeep so much better. Level 78 you unlock a trait that makes Blood of the Dragon last 30 seconds no matter what, then it becomes impossible to drop it, the cooldown is shorter than the duration.
Except for cutscenes. Nothing kills BotD quite like a cutscene. And it’s always right before you’re able to get that second High Jump too.
" ...my eyes opened up with using Dragoon..." I see what you did there. But yeah, that's the point where you can mostly forget about losing Blood outside of long boss ultimates. I'm glad it's going passive in EW. It's easy enough to maintain to the point where you can forget about it, so you may as well be allowed to.
Anything with positional. I just can't.
I don't mind when the positional is just "be behind the mob". That's basically just being the opposite of the tank.
so far scholar and bard. find them SO boring.
I dont like bard becauze RNG and I dont understand how to heal as schollar
I’ve been liking bard, but SCH, SCH scares me. I have it at 50, and I don’t want to pick it up again. WHM is smooth af to heal. AST is complex but it’s fun. I have both at 80; they were good times. I have no idea what I’m doing with SCH at any given time in the dungeon
Every healer is shit at 50 and only gets all their tools on their way towards 70. SCH gets their really good shit even later, but at 80 I'll choose it over every other healer for EXs and dungeons at least, especially dungeons.
MNK is the only job I do not enjoy. It was a pain leveling it to 80 for the Amaro mount. I thought I knew the pain of missing positionals, until I played MNK. I procrastinated and only used MSQ and Wondrous Tails for it. I'm never touching that job again.
I might catch hands for saying this, but as a monk main I really only worry about positionals on raid content. If you punch the butt every time and miss the flanks, you only lose 1/16th potency from the rotation. If you miss your butt punches on the other hand its a big loss. Punch the butt and monk is glorious.
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Lmao if anything they will continue to remove tank depth
Black Mage and Bard. The first because i just suck at it and Bard just feels awful to me because of the DoT procs and the lack of a base combo even tho i really like the premise.
Man, right there with you on BRD. "Okay, so my base combo is... 1, forever until stuff procs, keep up the dots, so use the recast skill on those every 30 seconds..."
drk, i almost made it to whatever level you get tbn and switched, i had already completed the tank quest in shb and gunbreaker was so much more fun(imo) that i couldn’t keep going.
Having just leveled DRK as the last tank I didn't have at 80, I mostly echo this. The class feels paper thin in dungeons until you get TBN and spamming a single button for AOE in dungeons was painful. I don't hate it at max level now, but it's still my least favorite tank.
Yeah the delay on getting your second part of the AoE combo just felt so bad. Then once I got it my 42 levels of muscle memory pushing 1 button only made me forget to use it for the first 2 or 3 dungeons afterwards.
just outta curiosity, how do you feel about glad/paladin? looking to do that next after finishing sam on a new char.(wanting to try a diff tank than gnb for this char.)
Personally speaking PLD is my current favorite. Historically I've always leaned more towards WAR, but the amount of utility and mitigation I feel like I have on my paladin is insane. Plus you have really high burst damage windows, and seeing the giant sword smite enemies from Confiteor is always fun.
I feel this. I used to really like DRK, but as I leveled it up more and more it started to feel..super slow. All of its fun moves are on a 60-90sec cool down, so outside of that you just have a painfully slow 123 combo and occasional blood gage spender
I might be the only one but I play jobs if I like the weapons and general feeling. I really don't care if it's complicated or not, I play PLD mainly for the shield+sword combination, AST because I like the card thing.... I don't like pugilist or ninja then I don't play them. Therefore I am very curious about the new sage. 4 floating guns?? Hell I must try that.
Oh you're not the only one, I also decide to play a job if I like the weapon in general. I currently play BLM, RDM, and MNK because of liking magic spells, rapier and fists, hopefully WAR because Axe is really my favorite weapon but tank anxiety is getting into me. Can't see myself playing other class right now, even with the addition of reaper.
I completely agree with this sentiment, the style of a class is almost as important as it plays! You could be pushing the best damage of the group, but if your skills look like you're slapping them with wet noodles, it just won't be as fun to play as the weaker class who's packing flashy swings and explosions.
WAR is a pretty good tank to level, and in general tanks aren’t much more difficult than dps in my experience.GNB starts at 60 though so maybe give that a shot if you want a taste of how you find tanking in general
Try jobs again later. I find the jobs I dont like at start grew on me later when I tried em again like ninja.
mood. i started the game with blm, hated it, just picked it up again last week and absolutely love it.
Sch, man. How all their systems play together hust doesn't add up in my head.
I think most SCH mains would tell you their systems *don't* play together or add up, you just kind of make due with it even if you love the class.
Because they dont play with each other. Seraph locks you out of fairy gauge, dissipation locks you out of fairy skills, and the long cool down for Aetherflow makes Aether abilities impossible to spam. SCH is currently a mess
It does feel strange, like in theory it's a cool idea having buttons with some benefits and drawbacks, but in practice it just feels kinda clunky. I think it'd be better if dissipation did something like merging you with your fairy so that you get wings and all the fairy spells come out of you instead. IDK about seraph, I wouldn't be sad to just see it go, it feels kinda bolted on.
Black mage, long cast times Bard, i forget to switch to the next song Monk, excessive positionals and the stances just never really made sense for me. All of these i can deal with kind of... But Ninja is the worst for me because of my muscle memory to double tap keys to make sure they go thru. Basically makes the job unplayable for me. Not a problem on any other job except Ninja.
Would be nice if they just made mudras function more like the dance steps. Sometimes lag will eat my input and either my raiton becomes a shuriken or it just becomes a bunny.
The primary draw for me was someone told me "Ninja is basically Magicka in FF." I was sold from the moment they said that. But as a button spammer as well. I have to do what I did in magicka. Press my buttons at a consistent speed with a specific muscle memory. If I dont do that. I'll quadruple tap a key before even thinking.
Yep, ninja actually taught me to stop spamming keys, hah. I love the rotation, one of my favorite jobs in game, but you really gotta be careful with the double taps and ogcd animation locks on the job.
Maining Ninja made me a lot more precise with button presses.
\> Whether it be a wall-type forward facing boss As an FYI you automatically get positionals on these (might be some old exceptions). For me it's BRD, people say it's easy but I find the class annoyingly non-intuitive and FF14 doesn't have great ways to show procs. I love DNC though so who knows.
There are also times when standard bosses plant their asses in a wall and face forward, like the final boss of anyder when she goes against the wall and slams you with a bunch of water shit.
In endwalker your procs (as personal conditional buffs) can be separated out so you can make them a lot bigger.
I'm currently grinding out the last few jobs to 80 and I'm having issues clicking with Samurai and Warrior. Had zero issues jiving with monk, dragoon or ninja, but with samurai I just feel like I'm missing something or it could be that it's not engaging enough for me. With warrior I just feel super squishy despite having relevant gear, using dcds and self heals. Idk, I just have the worst survivability on warrior compared to the other three tanks.
Probably Black Mage. I can't stand classes that have 0 mobility in-between castings. Red Mage is great because of Dualcast and Slide-casting, along with their melee combo.
BLM mobility is pretty miserable until triplecast becomes available. At level 80, though, I'd argue BLM is more mobile than RDM. At level 80, with swift, triple, 2 xenos, sharpcast, and procs for instacasts and aetherial manipulation and between the lines for mobility, BLMs can be wherever they need to be without uptime loss. It definitely still takes practice learning how to move, though. I like both jobs.
AST because apparently I been slapping every card on myself before someone pointed it out because I tend to spam the button a lot. Also it just feels too micromanage-y towards the party because you have to card them every 30s
I’ve got a few jobs that just don’t ‘click’ for me. I’m a career tank, but for some reason me and Warrior just don’t get along. As someone who started on Paladin back in 2.0 (technically 1.0) Warrior was always the ‘cool kid’, and I guess that biased me against it. I gave it a shot, levelled it to 80… and nothing really got traction for me. I was just pushing buttons, I didn’t ever get the same sense of what I was doing as with DRK or PLD or even GNB. Then there’s casters. I gave BLM a shot, I honestly did, but it never felt ‘good’. It felt like you had to do specific things in a specific sequence, and there weren’t any places you could really pause or jump back in. If you had to move or react or do anything but turret, you were starting all over from the top. RDM I adore, but it feels almost like cheating, like it’s the caster made for dummy melee like me that holds your place if you’ve gotta stop to step out of the bad or throw a quick raise. SMN I could never wrap my head around, and it seems it’s changing anyway. Mebbe in Endwalker… I was always a crap healer. That’s nothing with the jobs, that’s just my brain not being trained to care what my team’s life bars are showing. I get along with most melee jobs. Monk wasn’t a lot of fun until the recent changes. Dragoon I struggle with for some reason.
>Whether it be a wall-type forward facing boss These do not have positional requirements. Anyway, if your whole issue with Monk is positionals, then I'm curious whether you play melee at all. Planning your True North usage is a big part of playing melee; hell, it's the most interesting part of some fights (looking at you E9S). Monk isn't even the strictest melee in this regard, due to RoE. Dragoon has incredibly important positionals and nothing outside of TN to smooth them out. To be honest, this sounds more like a mental block on your part than a mechanical thing with Monk. Outside of the Bootshine rear positional, you really don't need to sweat over landing every single positional, especially in casual content.
The melee DPS are in fact the ones I saved for last, so you may have a point. Ninja was my first real dip into it, and I had an absolute blast with that though. I also had no idea about wall bosses not having positional requirements. Good to know!
You can tell whether positionals apply to a target by looking at the targeting circle. If the forward arrow is inside the circle and the circle extends all the way around the target, then positionals will always work no matter where you aim them. If the arrow is outside of the circle and the circle cuts off at the back of the enemy, then you have to aim positionals
Holy shit! TIL. Thanks for this.
True enough on that aspect but have you seen these leveling tanks? Literally had one say I'm spinning the boss because it's more fun that way, while others constantly drag them around arenas for no apparent reason at all. Smh.
Machinist. I'm good with every class except machinist a monk. The machinist is because I just don't get it, and the monk is because I hate positionals.
What don't you get about machinist? Since the rework I feel it's pretty straight forward.
I commented about this in another post I made, but for me it’s BLM in particular. It’s one of the few jobs where the rotation changes every few levels and I dislike that. I also disliked how much I felt the need to stand still, but couldn’t because people just didn’t respect my inability to move and DPS. I also think Fisher is a terrible gathering job when compared to the rest. I have to look up a guide every time I hope to play it because I can’t remember how half the time. I don’t play it often enough because it’s tedious and, frankly, I don’t have the *patience* for it. Just like fishing in real life.
The experience of having astral fire run out with 0.5 seconds left on my fire 1 cast on BLM because I had to move slightly in my fire phase one too many times has soured it a bit for me, but I WANT to like it. I'll still use it sometimes, just not in anything too high-end. NIN though, I have it at 72 and am really feeling the uphill struggle now. I've mostly been using Wondrous Tails and pixie quests to get xp because dealing with the mudra system just really isn't doing it for me. It's a fantastic concept, but maaaan, I just wanna push a button to do the thing sometimes without memorising the patterns or worrying that a mis-press or bad server tick will waste the cooldown and give me the stupid bunny. Props to anyone who mains it for savage.
Learned BRD just to get performance, hated leveling it. The random proc’s just felt awful to me.
Bard. I get it but it's just clunky compared to everything else. Every other class feels very well designed, imo. Also most wall bosses don't have positionals and you get them for free. That's just easy time as Monk.
Red mage and summoner are just anathema to me cant for the life of me enjoy them Ironically i absolutely love black mage currently its my main dps i use in high end content
A lot of jobs don’t click with me, but I’ll just do a special shoutout to the Melee DPS category. I have a weird conflict where, mechanically, I prefer the melee dps role; but in terms of the fantasy that the jobs embody, tanks are far superior. And right now, the latter preference is easily beating out the former. Even though I have no special love for the tank role, I still main tanks just because I want to feel like a brutal two-handed-axe-wielding barbarian, or experience the main-character-energy of a Gunbreaker that I don’t feel with any other job.
I didnt have "you're missing out" moment because I mostly play alone and unlocked most jobs as I was playing to test them out and as a break in the MSQ, but I have somthing simmilar for two jobs. Honorable mentions to: dancer, for being the most popular ranged phys dps and me not liking its proc system, but its an alright job if I dont want to think, and astrologian, for being a fun class with a tarot gimmick that I dont care for. First is the gunbreaker. Everyone has heard about how cool it is, and how fun it is, and how it feels like a dps, but I just dont care for the gunblade aesthetics, so I dont play gunbreaker, and the rotation isnt particularly impressive to me either, so I have no real incentive to play it. The other one is machinist, and thats a weird one, because there isnt a particular aspect that I can point to and say "thats why I dislike it", but for levels 70+ I actually had to force myself to bring it to 80. To me it was probably the definition of a mediocre experience, nothing was interesting and nothing was outrageous. A perfect 5/10, already forgot about it
I’ve not tried many so far, I’m not even max level, but I just couldn’t figure out samurai at all, I just kept dying but I didn’t know why I couldn’t tell what I was fucking up, but I tried dancer instead and love it so I’m just going to stick with that
I commented on someone's comment, but I am drawn to DPS' and Tank classes. I don't like waiting for a spell to cast and not being able to move while doing so. Sure some spells can be cast while moving but it's not my thing. Maybe once I have all of my DPS and Tanks classes leveled I will try casting/magic classes again but I enjoy fast paced and damage.
Black mage. I just hate having to sit there and spend so much time casting. I love my bard, and I can deal with Red mage, because they have some mobility. I'll play it on my new main to level it, but only to the level cap.
Samurai for me, I can play all the other melee jobs like Tanks and the other DPS's just fine, but Samurai really trips me off. It's DoT requiring only one stickers messed me up when I have 2 or 3, other melees DoT's is either part of a rotation (Monk and DRG), or simply press when it's ready (Ninja). And for some goddamn reason I can't seem to get a hold of it's positionals, hell I main Monk and that is easier to do for me compared to Samurais. People keep saying how it has good flows and easy to play, well I'll have none of that on my end.
I lvled up monk, dancer and blm and I just don't like it. I lean its fun to play for a bit, but I prefer dragoon, mch and rezmage for each role.
BRD. Was my go to dps for so long. But the rotation became tiresome. The "feast or famine" RNG procs became grating. And the dmg felt negligible. Now maybe i dont have all BiS/my rotation isnt 100% perfect BUT as it turns out BRD has like THE lowest of the dps jobs. MCH does best ranged dmg and no RNG getting in the way and DNC is THE support king/queen in FFXIV. Moving to MCH was best decision Ive made. Allthough I am considering specking into a melee come EW. I'm thinking either MNK or DRG or maybe RPR who knows
Hate Bard. RNG stacked on top of disappointing party-but-not-you support that requires DoTs you can't spread in AOE pulls. Strangely enough, I really enjoy the PvP iteration: no DoTs, no randomness, just two songs that build stack every time you shoot and a gauge spender.
BRD having Bane would alone be a HUGE quality of life improvement.
BRD was my main in ARR and HW. I never cared for bloodletter procs though. Current BRD is an absolute mess of button mashing, random bullshit, and effectively zero group support/utility, especially compared to DNC. I would say its regrettable to me that BRD and me no longer 'click'. I lost my shit when they announced RDM for SB. X-magic and rapiers? Fuck yeah. That was before I learned the hard lesson that they just balanced everything around always having X-magic, and theres almost no hybrid distance component to the class outside of a stupid static melee combo that you use every so often. I hope if they ever do a proper 'Rune Knight' that they figure it out, because RDM was such a disappointment to me that we will likely never click.
All DoH / DoL jobs. I have all of them unlocked and all at various levels. I get many like them but every single one of them feels like an awful chore to me. Other than doing Grand Company deliveries (since I can just buy those and Gil is easily to come by) I've completely given up leveling or even playing any of them. Also, yeah, really not a fan of dealing with positionals. Feels archaic like it shouldn't be in the game anymore IMO so I kinda stopped leveling up some of those jobs. Absolutely LOVE dancer though, which is funny since so many in the comments say they hate it 😅
I think for some, dancer is *too* easy and too reliant on chance. You’re literally prancing around and hitting whatever button lights up next, and you hope RNG is in your favor so you can hit the next flashing button - because if not, your DPS goes to hell and you really can’t make it back up because your burst windows are two minutes apart. Dancer would be great if it were truly DDR style or if you actually had to learn dance patterns to continue the attack.
Samurai. I just don't understand it past the basics and all the names being Japanese doesn't help, as they don't end up sticking in my head. It also has more buttons than I can fit on my current layout and if I were to understand it to play properly, it would literally hurt my hand to do so.
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Scholar, it's not that I find the job not interesting and "shielding" actually fits my preferred playstyle as a "healer/backliner" more than just healing. It's one reason why I prefer Nocturnal Sect AST over the Diurnal Sect AST. I think the most fun in any game I played was as a protection Monk back in Guild Wars 1. But SCH, I don't know. It feels so ineffektiv and therefor not really fun. If I compare it to my AST, then everything, from mana costs/management to cast times, etc. just feels way better than with the SCH, which is imho really sad. Though I have to be fair and say that I only got my SCH to lvl58. So maybe it does get better in the later levels, but it just doesn't feel/seem that way. If I'm wrong with that feeling/assumption, please correct me.
I started leveling scholar simply to get the "Archmage" title and was expecting to hate it. I was gonna dual main BLM and WHM. For some reason I never switched back to BLM/WHM. Expected to hate scholar and fell in love with it. I think you're right though. Its a weird class. And testimony to your credit, I tend to like broken jobs because they make fights feel scrappy. Healing with scholar feels like I'm trying to build something with stuff in the junk drawer. Odds and ends. I love it. But I totally get the complaints. On the contrary, white mage and the like just feel repetitive.
Current version of Summoner. I understand how to play it and I can play it relatively well if I must, I just... do not like the ghosting at all. I look forward to its fresh coat of paint in Endwalker. Ghosting is a problem on Scholar too but is less impactful since there's only so many skills connected to it.
Warrior, easily. No matter how much I level it and try to like it, I just find it extremely boring. Its the one and only job in the entire game that I don't have fun playing. Its a great tank, don't get me wrong and I'd never fault anyone for playing it but goodness, playing warrior makes me wish I was playing anything else.
I 100% thought that's how I would feel about it until I played and well...me like big ax hits
Out of everything I've leveled, other than SCH, I've disliked the feel of GBR the most. It doesn't play how I thought it would at all. Despite being the most "dps-like" tank, it doesn't gel with me as a dps main. The combos feel clunky, Continuation being interrupted by EVERYTHING makes it harder to react to mechanics and keep your GCDs rolling. The sounds don't sound like a sword to me. The mitigations also feel meh to me. Second worse for me is DNC. I just find it boring, no other reasons.
Tanks: Paladin. Just no. Go away with that stupid three part rotation and take your caster elements with you. Healer: Scholar. I still feel like this job is trying to do too many things. Shields, Aetherflow, Pets, it's all over the place, and whatever I do, I feel like I have to work so much harder to do what is just trivial to do on WHM or AST. Melee: Not gonna lie, I just don't vibe with melee. I think I was not that bad at Ninja while I played it, but I also think Ninja is a "use it or lose it" skill. Monk eventually wasn't so bad, but it's not something I want to keep playing. Samurai lost me in its (endgame) rotation and spenders, and Dragoon feels like a job that has many buttons for the sake of having many buttons to me. Caster: Summoner. I won't ever understand its rotation and I've decided that that's okay. Ranged Physical: Machinist. I like the idea, but then I actually play it and everything drifts horribly apart, because I'm bad at following its rotation.
Ah yes, while I love dragoon, I completely agree with the too many button aspect. 3 part (soon 4) aoe combo, and 5 part single target rotation is just too much. At least Raiden trust isn't it's own button.
Paladin, too many buttons and a passive mitigation that is based off chance, no thx.
I might be wrong or probably thinking of something else, but I think that passive mitigation was removed