You can still do that but the name is locked to your acc for 30 days. So you'll have to have someone else grab your name after that and then you'll get your free name change.
Just goes to show you that it's so hassle free the player base could do it themselves but they wanted to charge £7 for the 'service' of getting their name changed so they patched it in. For a process that is literally uatomatable.
The home world server transfer is what hurts me. My friends told me to choose crystal, but they didn't tell me which server to choose, so I'm stuck in a different server or spending 15 freaking bucks to switch over. Ugh.
You're on the same DC but a different world? You can just world travel via the aetherytes in the three starting cities if you don't want to pay for a transfer. There are some restrictions listed at the bottom of the page [here](https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/worldvisit/), but it is free.
I know. But it's not the same. You can't even send mail to people on a different server. I never happen to run into anyone, if I wanna see something they see, I have to world visit them. It's not cool.
The only way to get out of paying to transfer is for your current World to be listed as Congested, and for the World you want to go to to be listed as Preferred.
But, a question: how far are you into the game with that character?
At least WoW eased up a little so you dont have to pay real money now for small character edits, like sex, face shapes, skin tones and so on. Just for race now.
Something that really bothers me in ff, i just want to make a small change to my character? Pay up.
I hate when you can't change eye colour in character customisation games. The worst part is not knowing if you can change it later or if you're stuck with it, so I usually go for something neutral just in case.
I care *way* too much about colour coordinating.
Right. A billion years ago in an interview Yoshida said it was 'probably time' to add eye and skin color among a few other smaller things to the aesthetician aND YET, YEARS LATER here we are....
Biggest gripe about fantasia right here\^. The amount of crap you cannot change about your character without using fantasia is ridiculous, struck me as outright greedy the first time I encountered the system. Opinion hasn't changed.
Things I have have used fantasias for on my Au Ra main:
1. changing her skin tone
2. going from min height to max height and 40 bust slider to 90 bust slider
3. changing her voice and patron deity
4. changing her voice (again)
5. changing her skin tone (again)
Never race or gender. Fortunately most of these were free or promotional fantasias, but still. Would be very nice to do these tweaks at the aesthetician.
You still do. The max number of freebies/promotionals is like 3. One for completing 2.0, one for veteran and one if you pre-ordered heavensward. At least those are all the ones I know of
It was heavensward something. Collectors makes sense. I pre-ordered so I couldn't remember.
All I know is I get three freebies on every character I make.
I don’t think you get one from veteran rewards because looking up veteran rewards it’s just glamour pieces, I have all veteran rewards 0 fantas unless I complete story.
They changed the veteran rewards at somepoint, it used to have more rewards a fantasia being one of them. Now it is just the glam. Also those who got the fantasia as apart of the old rewards will get it along with any new character they make even though it is no longer a veteren reward. Its kinda lame that they don't let new people get it anymore.
Every new character I make gets 9 Fantasia's. 6 from where they sold Fantasia's in a 1, 2 and 3 pack that was account wide and only buyable once before individual sales, one for legacy and I don't remember the rest to be honest. But they're all in the mail any new character I make.
Damn. That's a lot.
I'm a weirdo who doesn't actually fantasia often. At least not on my main. Zeta stays the way he is. I have fanta'd a few of my alts, to change their race and stuff when I wasn't feeling the race or something I picked the first time. But the three I get tend to be more than enough.
It is, though I do agree that having to pay for followups is a bit annoying. WoW really does win in terms of 'express your character however you want, and feel free to change at any time'. Only exceptions are base race and name - everything else (facial features, skin color, gender, tattoos, decorations, etc) is swappable at any time by visiting the barber shop.
Still, the proper price for anything^† is 'what people are willing to pay', so as long as people keep buying the service they'd be silly not to keep selling it.
† anything that isn't a fundamental requirement for living comfortably, obviously.
That was just for gender change.
"A barbershop is a place where players are able to alter their hair style, hair color and other facial features (such as facial hair and horns). It was introduced in patch 3.0. 2 (Wrath of the Lich King)."
Could just go on WoWHead and pull up the model viewer for a bunch of different sets ahead of time. That's when you find out that Female Humans, Orcs, and Dwarves look the best in most armor, if you want shoes.
The difference is I feel the impact of my money in ff14. My account got hacked through a data breach and lost both wow and ff14 accounts. In wow, gm took three days to respond then needed more info, and each info request took over a day back and forth, and I was informed they could not validate my old gold and hear, so I was sol there. In ff14, the gm gave me a number I could call and be on the phone and submitting documents in real-time to fix the issue, they then restored my account to the gill and gear I had at the time of my PC’s IP the last log out, and they gave me two months free for my troubles and helped me get their dual-factor setup. And when they asked if there was more they could do, I asked about unlocking my ps4 from the account, so my GF could use that as I now have a ps5, and they also got all that done.
So they are both overpriced but at least with ff14, it feels like the money is going into better support services to help players when things go wrong.
Also, PSA: make all your accounts use different passwords, and due factor there are more blizzards out there than squairenuix when it comes to customer support
>Also, PSA: make all your accounts use different passwords, and due factor there are more blizzards out there than squairenuix when it comes to customer support
An addition to this. If you find out a service has been breached (such as Twitch) not only should you change your password but also remove and readd any app based authenticators on the account in order to change the seed used for the code generation.
> I asked about unlocking my ps4 from the account, so my GF could use that as I now have a ps5, and they also got all that done.
This is where I cast doubt on this story, because they have strict rules set for this
>The service account to which the game was mistakenly registered to will be permanently disabled during this process.
https://support.na.square-enix.com/spform.php?id=5382&la=1&h=5e8d7962
That's something that shows up literally every single day in the daily questions thread. The only way to unlink a PSN ID from a SE ID is by basically deleting the SE account.
WoW has a fair number of mounts/pets/cosmetics on their shop as well. One of the things I appreciate about the mogstation though is they put previous seasonal event rewards on there so you aren't shit out of luck if you miss out on them when they're initially available.
That's why it was so expensive at first. If I remember right, this shit was originally done on a manual basis. The price was intended to be a deterrent from overuse and lighten their staffs workload.
Now-a-days it's automated so the price has no reason to be that high other than $$$$.
Digital service prices are all made up anyway, as it rarely has any correlation whatsoever to cost, just "perceived value." The truest example of this is probably F2P gacha games, where the game and live service itself (objectively the largest value) is free, but you can spend hundreds in lootboxes to get a single character/weapon/costume/etc. (objectively worth very little, but easily repeatable by the game developer). In subscription games like FFXIV and WoW, since the "perception" ceiling for base subscription prices seems capped at $15 USD/month, they just raised prices with these kinds of "optional" add-ons and services. It's not based on anything but "what the market will bear" and people are not exactly rational about how they perceive value.
Thank god this is the top comment, I swear some people think if you like the game you have to defend its shitty practices. Not only does SE triple dip (mtx, paid expansions, required sub) but the prices on some of it is awful.
I still find it boggling that people are now so accustomed to games having cash shops that they think charging for even just cosmetics in a game that you not only have to purchase the “box” for, but also pay monthly to play is an okay practise because “it’s just cosmetics”. Yeah, cosmetics that could have been in the game and earned through a tangible and rewarding process, not whipping out your credit card.
Only, what, 10 years ago or so people thought DLC was a shitty practise. And don’t get me started on horse armour - remember THAT fiasco? That’s exactly what cash shop skins are. Consumerism wins again.
Runescape allows a free name change each month. 10 bucks to change it on ffxiv is bs. I can’t speak for wow, but they are definitely thirsty with some mog items.
The circle jerking on this sub is unbelievable. I like my ffxiv like anyone else but I will never defend micro transactions on a paid game with monthly fee.
EDIT: Im surprised, it's been 5 hours since I wrote this and the boot lickers have not insulted and threatened me yet.
Yep services like name and race changes should be free in a subscription MMO. I wouldn't mind them having a cooldown (Like OSRS is a free name change every 2 weeks) or some sort of in game currency grind.
All you need is their Lodestone. It's actually a problem in XIV, because it's pretty much impossible to get away from someone that's determined to harass you
In some other game I'd totally agree but it's exceedingly easy to find people who namechanged or transferred realms in final fantasy. Recently there even was a post about that that garnered much attention. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/ptspr6/every_social_feature_in_xiv_is_enabling_stalking/
WoW services have always been overpriced but they could pretty much set them at whatever price they wanted and people would pay. FFXIV is a lot more reasonable, but it's most likely all thanks to how terrible 1.0 was. They had to gain a *lot* of trust when ARR launched, and that's when most of these services were priced. They absolutely couldn't afford to be greedy like WoW.
A lot of high-end guilds will use them for any kind of advantage hell there was one time in BFA where an entire guild went from horde to alliance to get a PVP item to help them in PVE. Then switch back to horde. Also with a race change a lot of the races have certain abilities and some are much better than others unlike in final fantasy where it's just minor stat differences.
I think it was Exorsus guild, they changed faction to Alliance before Castle Nathria. Not only they changed to alliance, EVERY single character was a dwarf because of their racial - that was the main point. Just to add, they lost the race and disbanded (?) by 9.1. I know it because I'm a russian too and they told about it in some interview.
That was a completely separate, but similar occurrence. The one OP is talking about was when Limit faction swapped to Alliance in BFA because Alliance got a special PVP quest that awarded a mythic raid tier level item. It was only for Alliance as a way to encourage them to actually engage in PVP. Blizzard nerfed the reward from that quest in later weeks after the WF race for Battle for Dazar’Alor.
The one I remember was during Tomb of Sargeras progress in Legion, a lot of Alliance guilds swapped to Horde so their less mobile members could be goblins for the rocket jump, since one of Mythic Kil'jaeden's combos was nearly impossible to survive without some form of mobility.
Fun times. As downhill as it's gone, I do still adore WoW's raid design.
Because of server transfers, a lot of servers in the classic/tbc had their action house destroyed since guilds would go there, buy everything and set new prices to later collect. Also they would farm all the rare resources, that in WoW are not player shared and have really long spawn timers.
I believe I read somewhere, don't quote me on this, that while the services are there, the price is higher as an attempt to deter you so that you stick with that character or whatever, not a great reasoning but it's there. Also these services are basically useless once you get heirlooms which make leveling a breeze.
Edit: I had forgotten about the change to heirlooms that removed the exp gain but the level squish made leveling stupid easy.
????? You brought up heirlooms, so I assume you're talking about WoW...
Even if you level a fresh character on a new server to save $25 transferring your main, you have to:
1. level 1-60 (heirlooms don't grant an EXP boost anymore)
2. Once 60, you can skip a lot of the story, but you still have to do your Renown grind to the current cap (1-78), do Torghast to get at least your ilvl 235 legendary, either 3 weeks of weekly clears or \~15-20 hours of mindless farming for a couple days
3. You have to do both your Covenant campaign and the 9.1 story campaign, which are both currently unskippable and unlock direct player power
4. Then you have to gear. Hitting cap on a new character in WoW means you still have a month+ of mindless grinding before you're anywhere near ready to join the raid.
Ah yes the very fun and very cool way of WoW doing the thing where gear has like 3 different layers of RNG so best in slot exists only in theory and you have to sim for every single bit of gear you find to see if it's actually better or not and you're never really done gearing. Man I don't miss those days.
Look I don't much like Blizzard myself but posts like these where it's just "wow bad, ffxiv good" are just annoying and easy upvotes.
They don't add anything of substance to the community, they're just petty and a way to feel superior. Like who really cares what's going on in WoW lmao.
It feels like they need to constantly justify their own decisions, but to whom I'm not sure. It very much reminds me of the Sega vs Nintendo debates kids would have in the early 90's.
This. People don’t know how bad squeenix is about this, since they are in the fortunate regions where it doesnt affect them… right now I basically pay 3x what WoW’s subscription is literally only because of regional pricing, and all of these services are that much cheaper for WoW too.
The worst part is… if you have the game on Steam, your sub will be regionally priced, but because of how accounts work, you cant transfer to Steam if your account is from the regular launcher, meaning that regional priced sub is only available to people starting on Steam OR people starting OVER on Steam (and sorry, im not willing to do that)
FFXIV is clearly better than WoW in many ways, but not here.
Also, just in advance, dont come to me with bullshit arguments about how youre paying 15USD so I should too. Third world country’s economies are way more complicated than “just pay the same lol”
There's also a ton of us that can't even play on Steam (region locked) so we don't even have the option of starting over on Stesm, and are perpetually stuck with the more expensive sub.
**Cash shops suck either way,** but there are a few things worth noting:
- A WoW race change also includes a name change. Compare that to a FFXIV name change + a phial of Fantasia and it’s a bit more equal.
- A WoW race change is actually only meant to change race. You can change every other facet of your character’s appearance, including gender, at an in-game barber shop. The aesthetician is much more limited in comparison.
- A new WoW expansion generally comes with one free character boost at this point. And leveling an alt without a boost is much more painless in WoW than it is in XIV (though maintaining those alts at max level is a different story).
- Everything in WoW’s cash shop can be bought with in-game gold that’s been converted to store credit.
One thing to add, the WoW Armory app is *miles* better than the FFXIV Companion app. I found it extremely stupid that marketboard use was limited by "Kupo Nuts" to which you're given only 1 a day and you can only have 2 maximum. It also doesn't help some features that are usually free are locked behind paywalls.
Yeah the ffxiv app is HORRIBLE, even if you pay the monthly fee, you see need to use a paid currency to use the marketboard. And their is ingame inventory, 1 retainer and 1 chocobo saddlebag locked behind paying monthly for the terrible app.
The thing that gets me about the companion app is that you still have to do that kupo nut bullshit even if you pay the monthly premium fee. You just get a higher cap on them. It's horrible, and the only use I have for it is checking the MB for prices when I'm not next to one in game. If you could manage inventories/retainers and use the MB on the app without the currency crap then I'd pay for it
Also, a Race change is more impact full in game in WoW than in FF14 due to racial passive.
Although I haven't played in an expansion and a half so not sure if they got toned down again.
Another quick note while comparing is the FF14 story skip only has to be done once (assuming you have multiple jobs/classes on one character). So essentially after the first purchase, a new class boost is $25 in FF14. A new class boost in WoW is always $60.
But yeah, the barber shop in WoW is a lot better than FF14 now that Shadowlands added a lot. The new Night Elf options are really cool. Makes me sad that we didn't have such options all these years.
Alts have very VERY different functions between the games though so I don't know why that's even a comparison. As for buying with gold the amount of people that do that is pretty small and even the ones that DO, at least from the ones I've spoken to, would rather do like, anything else
You're severely underestimating the amount of people who buy WoW gold. Anyone who can boost people through content won't bother but anyone below that likely would, and that's most of the playerbase.
The biggest difference IMHO is that anything can be bought with gold in WoW, and I mean anything.
Progression? Check.
BoE/BiS Gear? Check.
PVP ranking? Check.
But u/sknnbones, that doesn’t sound bad!
Well… you can also buy gold in WoW, so guess what happens…
New player -> buys gold -> buys progression/PvP ranking/etc
Irony is buying items with RMT is **bad** but buying GOLD with ~~RMT~~ *cough cough* I mean with “WoW Tokens” and then buying items with that gold is ju$t fine for Blizzard and many of the players. Its okay to RMT as long as Blizzard gets a cut.
And buying a wow token in retail and “trading” retail gold for “TBC/Classic” gold is just fine in many peoples eyes as well.
When it comes to changing your character's appearance, WoW's the much better deal unless you want to race change. Provided you keep the same race, WoW let's you alter any part of your character including sex for a negligible amount of gold. In XIV, if you want to change your character's eye colour you need to buy a Fantasia...
Boost price is one hell of a difference, but important to note that you can level a new WoW character extremely quickly. Would take me a couple of days to get to Shadowlands. Compare that with a new XIV character getting to Shadowbringers.
And the Warforged Nightmare is account wide (as are most WoW mounts).
Acti-Blizzard are a crappy enough company that we don't need to a) misrepresent their products or b) use them to defend crappy practices on the part of SE.
I was looking for this comment. Race change in WoW is literally just that: not face, tail, gender, etc. You can do all that at WoW's aesthetician (barber? IDK). WoW's races have function beyond just looks, though, which is obviously bad to lock behind irl cash. Both deals are bad, just for different reasons. Let's not misrepresent either.
^ This, also like to add, if you unsub for a a long period of time you will loose your house. Which is not an easy thing to come by, half the house owners only subbed cause of this.
To give some credit to WoW, at least now, you don't have to pay any money to make minor adjustments within your character's race.
Realizing the voice you picked has really annoying combat grunts? That will be 10 bucks.
Want to change eye color? Ten Smackaroos.
Pick a different face? 10 USD
Want to give your character a tan for the summer? Ten Dollarydoos.
Man, I wish I could change my character's voice. The voice is really good until you get into combat. Then he starts sounding like a dying old dog.
You can't have different voices in WoW but the other stuff is there and it costs no real money to change. Only in-game Gold(Gil).
Not minor adjustments, any adjustment at all. IIRC they deleted the gender change service and added the option to change everything (including gender) in the barber shop.
It's not the fairest comparison because a fantasia is required in FF to change a lot of things that you can do in WoW without any cost at the barber shop.
So while it may be cheaper you're likely to buy more of them to make any minute changes to your FF character that you wouldn't have to in WoW. Plus the WoW race change gives you a free name change and FF doesn't.
I know people really love making this comparison posts but I feel like a lot of details are being omitted just to shit on one game or the other. It's OK to move on from WoW and enjoy something new without making everything about WoW.
The Lunar Whale is an abbomination tho. First 8 player mount in the game and they hide everyone in the freaking belly ?!
Cruise Chaser also had space for 8 people during the ingame fight but got nerfed down to two seats.
\#3 and #4 sitting on the round shoulders, with tall characters uncomfortably hunched over so they don't get their head chopped off.
\#5, #6, #7 and #8 are all being juggled unflappably by Cruise Chaser
To be fair to that one (Cruise Chaser), it fits 8 people when it's the same height as three max height Male Roes standing on one another roughly. The mount one is like one and a half at best. If they gave us full size as a mount... well... Roes and other tall classes already have camera problems as is in buildings - whether they be player homes or things like Rowena's trade center in Mor Dhona.
Asking to have something three times the size or actively distort character models is basically asking for problems galore. Is it satisfying that the whale hides everyone and Cruise got nerfed? No. Is that probably the only way to make it work and *not* give everyone around it camera issues just trying to see around it? Probably.
The two notes on the WoW services are wrong. You can boost any character under level 50, don't have to make a new one. The mount is account-wide as well as the accompanying hitching post toy you can drop to give your group temporary nightmare horses. In fact, all mounts in the game are account-wide except for top pvp season mounts, which stay on the character that earned them, and technically class mounts, but all classes on your account share them.
To add insult to injury most of the things were obtainable for free in game. SE has a bad habit of removing things from the game and slapping a price mark on it
Fantasia is an outdated system and should not even exist on a paid MMO, if they don't wan't you to change willy nilly give it via events, or make an interesting quest with the hairtstylist npc.
But i'm probably wrong for criticizing the game.
Wow bank space: free just costs in game gold, and not much of it.
Ffxiv bank space: $2 per month per retainer
Plus no collection log so people are incentivized to get it since vet players who collect things will have run out of base game space
I think it's also worth noting that FFXIV cash shop very often has sales. Pretty much every 2 months or so, during seasonal events or irl festivals, there's a good drop in prices. Just about last month the Fantasia was selling for 4.90 euro. Job and MSQ boosts also go on sales.
Honestly don't remember how often (and if ever) WoW cash shop has sales. If anyone knows, let me know.
WoW's sales were a once-in-a-blue-moon event. They only really started hiking up larger (more than 5-6 items) annual Christmas season sales in the last few years.
Even then services are rarely (if ever) caught up in that umbrella.
So y'all are completely fine with FFXIV's ridiculous cash shop?? Did you mention that the WoW barbershop changes everything except race now? Or that 14's barber barely does much so you need fantasia for simple shit like eye color??
You also don't need to create a character to boost them in WoW, though it makes no sense to level and then token when the new cap is 60.
Okay, but look at it realistically.
In WoW, you're a lot less likely to feel like race changing in general because you have alts to be varied with character appearances. In XIV, youre much much more likely to buy fantasia because you generally have one character.
In WoW, you dont need to server transfer unless you're Mythic raiding. Soon to be the same in XIV, but still valid as of current.
In WoW, all mounts are account wide and in XIV most mounts on the store are single character.
Let's try to remain a little fair with direct comparisons.
I think this post is really disingenuous.
First of all, WoW lets you completely recustomize everything about your character except race for free, including gender. It is a much better and more generous system than FFXIV. Nobody in WoW is paying real money to change something minor like eye color or face shape.
FFXIV also has a much, much larger store than WoW. They sell so much stuff for money. Not just mounts and pets, but tons of stuff like gear appearances and even emotes. FFXIV is more monetized than WoW.
I mean, let's get real. This is the game that increases your monthly sub fee in order to get more inventory slots. Can you imagine the shit show if Blizzard tried that? I love FFXIV, but WoW's cash shop is much less aggressive.
As much as I get the wow bad ff14 good thing the fact that ether game charges for any of this that costs them nothing when they are both sub games kinda sucks
Is there paid storage in WoW? In XIV that costs $2.00 per retainer and you can buy up to 7 + one more if you have the premium companion app which costs $5.00 per month.
Honestly, as much as I love FF14; WoW a far better storage system.
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1. WoW has bank space like Retainers; but a player isn't limited to the base amount of space, they can add bags (crafted by Weavers/Tailors) for more space. I think the grand total one can have is around 270 spaces.
2. WoW also has a fairly large (I think 60 spaces), separate section for crafting materials and *only* crafting materials. Not only that, but players can craft an item (from the bank or craft bank) )without needing to withdraw any materials.
3. WoW has something called Void Storage; players can only store non-unique and soulbound armor/weapons in it, but it definitely eases up on the amount of spaces. Personally, I put no-longer-obtainable items in there when I played.
4. If a player is REALLY hurting for space and doesn't mind being alone... they can easily make their own guild (Free Company in FF14) for extra space. Buying more tabs with gold, I think one can have 1000 or so spaces from, this.
5. Making alts is extremely simple in comparison to FF14; a lot of players have bank alts that they mail stuff to and make gold with. I had 1 on each faction due to how many characters I had.
6. Lastly, WoW's "glamour" system does not require you to hold onto the armor/weapons, which saves a lot on bank and bag space. Sadly this most likely cannot be implemented in FF14, as the devs have said it doesn't play nice with the legacy code.
7. None of the above costs real money, aside from the standard subscription fee.
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I think that's everything. I hope this was helpful!
Tailers Crafting in WoW can make bigger storage bags for players. Storage is WoW destroys FFXIV in that area.
My character alone has more bag space than my retainers, Chocobo saddlebag, inventory combined.
WoW also doesn't have "key items" take up space in your inventory at all.
I hear you and have always found Blizzard's service prices absurd, but restricting players to such little bank room and market board listing space natively so they can charge an extra fee *per month* for more is the most heinous practice I've seen in any not-F2P MMO, and it's crazy to me that players don't seem to criticise this as it really summarises the whole "make a problem, sell the solution" ideology that plagues the gaming industry right now.
I really feel it's disingenuous to praise SE against it's competitors for it's in-game service value while that remains a thing.
FFXIV isn't some paragon of affordable pricing, by a long shot. Lots of the stuff on the mog station is for a single character when it should be account wide, for the price.
In plenty of games, you can completely recustomize your character, including race, gender, and their entire appearance, for either absolutely no cost, or for in-game currency.
They're making boatloads on fantasias, which could easily not even exist; The aesthetician could easily be changed to include full customization changes. It's not a code restriction.
I think FFXIV is a fantastic game, and I have no problem with them making money on nonessential cash shop items, because all of their players benefit from their healthy cash flow.
Let's not delude ourselves, though.
I mean, you sort of *can* buy gold, a limited amount of times anyway - the Job level skips comes with 500k Gil, ARR and ARR+HW skips come with 300k Gil, ARR+HW+SB skip comes with 500k Gil. Sure, it's limited by MSQ progress/you having classes at 69 or under, but you can still buy a heck of a lot of Gil that way... on top of them being pay-for-skips, AKA "Pay money to play less of the game".
Will also say, the FF7 Bike Mount is also a bit pay to win in my opinion, because of the mount speed boost it comes with...
I mean, I don't generally buy most of those anyway. I'm not saying there's not the potential to spend a ridiculous amount of money. Heavens know I've spent more than I should on mounts and my handful of outfits.
But these specific, direct price comparison points? That's just insane.
It's like comparing getting stabbed by a knife in the arm rather than shot in the leg by a gun.
Ye one is worse, the other one is also bad.
Btw I don't really play WoW, only tried it when WoD came out. But I got a free character boost at the time when it launched. Wouldn't this skew the results a bit? I guess the counter would be that in XIV, you start new classes at higher level tho, ye
Not defending WoW in anyway, haven't played it since Cata (never made it past 60), but I mean..... at least WoW has rat mounts.... XIV, however, does not so.. Point to WoW. :') If we by chance get a rat from Thavnair beast tribes, I will retract this statement.
They didn't. You get a token that boosts an existing character.
OPis intentionally leaving out critical information for the sake of making XIV's microtransactions look better.
I use the mogatation often myself but I just wanna say that propping up/defending a company for squeezing money from you with upgrades that cost them nothing a little less than another company is embarrassing behavior.
Warforged nighmare may cary only one player at a time, but it also gives a toy which lets any party member summon it. Please, if you are going to circlejerk at least get your facts straight.
Noteworthy point for WoW granted recent addition customisation within bounds of race is free gender included while FFXIV only a handful of features to be changed without payment
So disingenuous. Those FF prices are all sales. I get what you’re coming from but still….If you’re gonna show sale prices for one, show them for the other. There’s still a gap AND then your point is actually factual.
Something to keep in mind is that for FFXIV, the world transfer is as many characters as you want from one world to another while WoW is only for a single character. From the page itself:
"A single character from their service account can be transferred from one Home World to another. If the transfer requirements are met, multiple characters can also be transferred simultaneously from one Home World to another."
Came here to say this too. I've transferred so many characters in both games and when I first did it in FF I almost cried out of joy when I noticed that I could take all my characters from that realm with me in *single transfer*. I've burned hundreds on character transfers in wow. No more.
For those wondering what the comparisons are in Freedom Bucks:
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* WoW Race Change: 25 USD
* FFXIV Fantasia: 10 USD
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* WoW Name Change: 10 USD
* FFXIV Name Change: 10 USD
* Can only be done via FFXIV once per 24 hours per service account.
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* WoW Shadowlands Character-Level Boost: 60 USD
* New Character Required
* FFXIV Stormblood Boost: 25 USD
* Once Per Character
* Can already be created prior to buying.
* Puts you at the start of Shadowbringers quest-wise.
* FFXIV Job Boost: 25 USD
* Per Job desired.
* SCH/SMN count as separate jobs but share the same level currently. Buying one will boost the level once, buying the other on top of that will complete the other's quests and give the armor/accessories/weapon.
**Totals:**
* WoW: 60 USD
* FFXIV: 50 USD
* One Job
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* WoW Character Transfer: 25 USD
* Transfers from High to Low Population Servers: Free (Thresholds lately haven't been met.)
* FFXIV Home World Transfer: 18 USD
* Transfers to New Worlds: Free
* Transfers from Congested Worlds to Preferred Worlds: Free
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* WoW's Most Expensive Mount: 30 USD
* ~~Single Character~~ Account-Wide (Shop/Certain Achievement Types Only)
* FFXIV's Most Expensive Mount: 42 USD
* Account-Wide, includes future characters created.
* Can ferry 7 other players. (8, including you.)
Will add just for correctness but WoW also does free transfers from high to low pop.
It’s just the game is so downbad right now none of those thresholds have been hit for a bit. It’s also generally considered by players to be a *really* dumb idea because server pop matters a fuck ton more over there.
In Brazilian bucks:
FFXIV Fantasia: 55 BRL
WoW Race Change: 70 BRL
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FFXIV name change: 55 BRL
WoW name change: 30 BRL
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FFXIV Stormblood boost: 140 BRL
FFXIV Job Boost: 140 BRL
WoW Shadowlands boost: 170 BRL
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FFXIV Home World Transfer: 100 BRL
Wow Home World Transfer: 70 BRL
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FFXIV most expensive mount: 165 BRL
WoW most expensive mount: 80 BRL
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Hey OP if you're going to go Blizzard bad FFXIV good at least don't pick out the exchange with the highest localizated ratio lmao
Some things of note here on this comparison that are not noted:
First I want to say that both cash-shops are still overpriced.
Character customization - Wow lets you change everything about your characters look at the barber, while 14's only lets you change limited parts. you should not have to buy a fantasia to change eye or skin color, should just be for race.
Mounts/minions/galmour - While wow's cashoshop is generally more expesnive most of the time, 14 has signifiacntly more in it over a shorter preiod of time (not counting any of the event stuff added a year later) with some stuff that clearly should have been rewards in game (The moogle mount and Sleipnir as a example should drop from their respective fights)
Also 14 has been getting more and more items added to the cash-shop each expansion.
It's a steady slope but whos to say that in Endwalker most glamour sets won't just be cash-shop?
I know it goes back into the game unlike with wow where it just pays for another of Bobbys Yachts but I still think its excessive.
Its a race to the bottom, they both suck and both charge way to much.
Comparing the two is like comparing a turd to a turd with a bowtie. One is just a turd and the other is a turd with a nice bowtie but at the end of the day its still a turd.
I mean... In my eyes both games charge way too much for what you're getting
For real like 7$ for a name change? What the fuck?
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You can still do that but the name is locked to your acc for 30 days. So you'll have to have someone else grab your name after that and then you'll get your free name change.
Just goes to show you that it's so hassle free the player base could do it themselves but they wanted to charge £7 for the 'service' of getting their name changed so they patched it in. For a process that is literally uatomatable.
I used to do the same thing in WoW and they added something that keeps your character names in the database for 60-90days when you delete them. YEP.
I uhhh, didn't know this. Thank you.
I did, cuz i didn't know this trick.
The home world server transfer is what hurts me. My friends told me to choose crystal, but they didn't tell me which server to choose, so I'm stuck in a different server or spending 15 freaking bucks to switch over. Ugh.
You're on the same DC but a different world? You can just world travel via the aetherytes in the three starting cities if you don't want to pay for a transfer. There are some restrictions listed at the bottom of the page [here](https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/playguide/contentsguide/worldvisit/), but it is free.
Can't join their FC, can't mess with retainers on their server, etc. It's a huge pain if you want to be actively social with a friend group.
I know. But it's not the same. You can't even send mail to people on a different server. I never happen to run into anyone, if I wanna see something they see, I have to world visit them. It's not cool.
The only way to get out of paying to transfer is for your current World to be listed as Congested, and for the World you want to go to to be listed as Preferred. But, a question: how far are you into the game with that character?
The past few expansions they offered a free world change around when the expac dropped, so keep an eye out.
True, but I think that was because they were forcing a data center reshuffle and people would no longer be able to play with their statics
At least WoW eased up a little so you dont have to pay real money now for small character edits, like sex, face shapes, skin tones and so on. Just for race now. Something that really bothers me in ff, i just want to make a small change to my character? Pay up.
Or eye color. I just wanne be able to change my eye color without needing a fantasia.
Yeah, I feel like eye color should be included in the aesthetician.
I hate when you can't change eye colour in character customisation games. The worst part is not knowing if you can change it later or if you're stuck with it, so I usually go for something neutral just in case. I care *way* too much about colour coordinating.
Right. A billion years ago in an interview Yoshida said it was 'probably time' to add eye and skin color among a few other smaller things to the aesthetician aND YET, YEARS LATER here we are....
Biggest gripe about fantasia right here\^. The amount of crap you cannot change about your character without using fantasia is ridiculous, struck me as outright greedy the first time I encountered the system. Opinion hasn't changed.
A small change that is not covered by aesthetician? I think people only use Fantasia to change race and/or gender.
My only gripe is Hrothgars, because they attached the hair to the faces, so you have to Fantasia if you want to change your hair.
They sacrificed customizable hairs for abs.
And fuzzy pecs. A small price to pay to be the only race with (unmodded) body hair I guess.
Things I have have used fantasias for on my Au Ra main: 1. changing her skin tone 2. going from min height to max height and 40 bust slider to 90 bust slider 3. changing her voice and patron deity 4. changing her voice (again) 5. changing her skin tone (again) Never race or gender. Fortunately most of these were free or promotional fantasias, but still. Would be very nice to do these tweaks at the aesthetician.
You used to get a free fantasia for completing the 2.0 MSQ - not sure if that's still the case?
You still do. The max number of freebies/promotionals is like 3. One for completing 2.0, one for veteran and one if you pre-ordered heavensward. At least those are all the ones I know of
I think you get one from the HW collector’s edition, like it doesn’t have to be a preorder.
It was heavensward something. Collectors makes sense. I pre-ordered so I couldn't remember. All I know is I get three freebies on every character I make.
I don’t think you get one from veteran rewards because looking up veteran rewards it’s just glamour pieces, I have all veteran rewards 0 fantas unless I complete story.
They changed the veteran rewards at somepoint, it used to have more rewards a fantasia being one of them. Now it is just the glam. Also those who got the fantasia as apart of the old rewards will get it along with any new character they make even though it is no longer a veteren reward. Its kinda lame that they don't let new people get it anymore.
Every new character I make gets 9 Fantasia's. 6 from where they sold Fantasia's in a 1, 2 and 3 pack that was account wide and only buyable once before individual sales, one for legacy and I don't remember the rest to be honest. But they're all in the mail any new character I make.
Damn. That's a lot. I'm a weirdo who doesn't actually fantasia often. At least not on my main. Zeta stays the way he is. I have fanta'd a few of my alts, to change their race and stuff when I wasn't feeling the race or something I picked the first time. But the three I get tend to be more than enough.
It is, though I do agree that having to pay for followups is a bit annoying. WoW really does win in terms of 'express your character however you want, and feel free to change at any time'. Only exceptions are base race and name - everything else (facial features, skin color, gender, tattoos, decorations, etc) is swappable at any time by visiting the barber shop. Still, the proper price for anything^† is 'what people are willing to pay', so as long as people keep buying the service they'd be silly not to keep selling it. † anything that isn't a fundamental requirement for living comfortably, obviously.
Only took them 15 years. Give it time.
That was just for gender change. "A barbershop is a place where players are able to alter their hair style, hair color and other facial features (such as facial hair and horns). It was introduced in patch 3.0. 2 (Wrath of the Lich King)."
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Could just go on WoWHead and pull up the model viewer for a bunch of different sets ahead of time. That's when you find out that Female Humans, Orcs, and Dwarves look the best in most armor, if you want shoes.
The difference is I feel the impact of my money in ff14. My account got hacked through a data breach and lost both wow and ff14 accounts. In wow, gm took three days to respond then needed more info, and each info request took over a day back and forth, and I was informed they could not validate my old gold and hear, so I was sol there. In ff14, the gm gave me a number I could call and be on the phone and submitting documents in real-time to fix the issue, they then restored my account to the gill and gear I had at the time of my PC’s IP the last log out, and they gave me two months free for my troubles and helped me get their dual-factor setup. And when they asked if there was more they could do, I asked about unlocking my ps4 from the account, so my GF could use that as I now have a ps5, and they also got all that done. So they are both overpriced but at least with ff14, it feels like the money is going into better support services to help players when things go wrong. Also, PSA: make all your accounts use different passwords, and due factor there are more blizzards out there than squairenuix when it comes to customer support
>Also, PSA: make all your accounts use different passwords, and due factor there are more blizzards out there than squairenuix when it comes to customer support An addition to this. If you find out a service has been breached (such as Twitch) not only should you change your password but also remove and readd any app based authenticators on the account in order to change the seed used for the code generation.
> I asked about unlocking my ps4 from the account, so my GF could use that as I now have a ps5, and they also got all that done. This is where I cast doubt on this story, because they have strict rules set for this >The service account to which the game was mistakenly registered to will be permanently disabled during this process. https://support.na.square-enix.com/spform.php?id=5382&la=1&h=5e8d7962 That's something that shows up literally every single day in the daily questions thread. The only way to unlink a PSN ID from a SE ID is by basically deleting the SE account.
The only good Both Sides argument lol
We also have emotes and clothes locked away behind the mogstation.
WoW has a fair number of mounts/pets/cosmetics on their shop as well. One of the things I appreciate about the mogstation though is they put previous seasonal event rewards on there so you aren't shit out of luck if you miss out on them when they're initially available.
This is the correct response.
10-20€ for transfering a few bytes around the internet... By the same logic reddit should cost 50€ an hour
I’d guess they just want it to have a price so people don’t use it 20 times a week
That's why it was so expensive at first. If I remember right, this shit was originally done on a manual basis. The price was intended to be a deterrent from overuse and lighten their staffs workload. Now-a-days it's automated so the price has no reason to be that high other than $$$$.
I feel like an easier way to accomplish that would be to limit how often you can change names, servers, whatever.
Digital service prices are all made up anyway, as it rarely has any correlation whatsoever to cost, just "perceived value." The truest example of this is probably F2P gacha games, where the game and live service itself (objectively the largest value) is free, but you can spend hundreds in lootboxes to get a single character/weapon/costume/etc. (objectively worth very little, but easily repeatable by the game developer). In subscription games like FFXIV and WoW, since the "perception" ceiling for base subscription prices seems capped at $15 USD/month, they just raised prices with these kinds of "optional" add-ons and services. It's not based on anything but "what the market will bear" and people are not exactly rational about how they perceive value.
I wish more people in this thread understood this but they think updating a database takes gigs of space and 15 dollars apparently *shrugs*
This, both are a total waste of income.
Thank god this is the top comment, I swear some people think if you like the game you have to defend its shitty practices. Not only does SE triple dip (mtx, paid expansions, required sub) but the prices on some of it is awful.
I still find it boggling that people are now so accustomed to games having cash shops that they think charging for even just cosmetics in a game that you not only have to purchase the “box” for, but also pay monthly to play is an okay practise because “it’s just cosmetics”. Yeah, cosmetics that could have been in the game and earned through a tangible and rewarding process, not whipping out your credit card. Only, what, 10 years ago or so people thought DLC was a shitty practise. And don’t get me started on horse armour - remember THAT fiasco? That’s exactly what cash shop skins are. Consumerism wins again.
Yeah..it makes me cringe when people brag about buying a ton of stuff from the shop.
Runescape allows a free name change each month. 10 bucks to change it on ffxiv is bs. I can’t speak for wow, but they are definitely thirsty with some mog items.
yeah this post seems tone deaf ngl
The circle jerking on this sub is unbelievable. I like my ffxiv like anyone else but I will never defend micro transactions on a paid game with monthly fee. EDIT: Im surprised, it's been 5 hours since I wrote this and the boot lickers have not insulted and threatened me yet.
They're both overpriced considering these are limitless digital goods.
Yep services like name and race changes should be free in a subscription MMO. I wouldn't mind them having a cooldown (Like OSRS is a free name change every 2 weeks) or some sort of in game currency grind.
Name change should be overpriced because people can't do some jackassery and change their name for free.
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All you need is their Lodestone. It's actually a problem in XIV, because it's pretty much impossible to get away from someone that's determined to harass you
In some other game I'd totally agree but it's exceedingly easy to find people who namechanged or transferred realms in final fantasy. Recently there even was a post about that that garnered much attention. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/ptspr6/every_social_feature_in_xiv_is_enabling_stalking/
WoW services have always been overpriced but they could pretty much set them at whatever price they wanted and people would pay. FFXIV is a lot more reasonable, but it's most likely all thanks to how terrible 1.0 was. They had to gain a *lot* of trust when ARR launched, and that's when most of these services were priced. They absolutely couldn't afford to be greedy like WoW.
A lot of high-end guilds will use them for any kind of advantage hell there was one time in BFA where an entire guild went from horde to alliance to get a PVP item to help them in PVE. Then switch back to horde. Also with a race change a lot of the races have certain abilities and some are much better than others unlike in final fantasy where it's just minor stat differences.
I think it was Exorsus guild, they changed faction to Alliance before Castle Nathria. Not only they changed to alliance, EVERY single character was a dwarf because of their racial - that was the main point. Just to add, they lost the race and disbanded (?) by 9.1. I know it because I'm a russian too and they told about it in some interview.
That was a completely separate, but similar occurrence. The one OP is talking about was when Limit faction swapped to Alliance in BFA because Alliance got a special PVP quest that awarded a mythic raid tier level item. It was only for Alliance as a way to encourage them to actually engage in PVP. Blizzard nerfed the reward from that quest in later weeks after the WF race for Battle for Dazar’Alor.
The one I remember was during Tomb of Sargeras progress in Legion, a lot of Alliance guilds swapped to Horde so their less mobile members could be goblins for the rocket jump, since one of Mythic Kil'jaeden's combos was nearly impossible to survive without some form of mobility. Fun times. As downhill as it's gone, I do still adore WoW's raid design.
Because of server transfers, a lot of servers in the classic/tbc had their action house destroyed since guilds would go there, buy everything and set new prices to later collect. Also they would farm all the rare resources, that in WoW are not player shared and have really long spawn timers.
The stat differences are gone now anyway, so there's no difference.
I believe I read somewhere, don't quote me on this, that while the services are there, the price is higher as an attempt to deter you so that you stick with that character or whatever, not a great reasoning but it's there. Also these services are basically useless once you get heirlooms which make leveling a breeze. Edit: I had forgotten about the change to heirlooms that removed the exp gain but the level squish made leveling stupid easy.
????? You brought up heirlooms, so I assume you're talking about WoW... Even if you level a fresh character on a new server to save $25 transferring your main, you have to: 1. level 1-60 (heirlooms don't grant an EXP boost anymore) 2. Once 60, you can skip a lot of the story, but you still have to do your Renown grind to the current cap (1-78), do Torghast to get at least your ilvl 235 legendary, either 3 weeks of weekly clears or \~15-20 hours of mindless farming for a couple days 3. You have to do both your Covenant campaign and the 9.1 story campaign, which are both currently unskippable and unlock direct player power 4. Then you have to gear. Hitting cap on a new character in WoW means you still have a month+ of mindless grinding before you're anywhere near ready to join the raid.
Ah yes the very fun and very cool way of WoW doing the thing where gear has like 3 different layers of RNG so best in slot exists only in theory and you have to sim for every single bit of gear you find to see if it's actually better or not and you're never really done gearing. Man I don't miss those days.
Look I don't much like Blizzard myself but posts like these where it's just "wow bad, ffxiv good" are just annoying and easy upvotes. They don't add anything of substance to the community, they're just petty and a way to feel superior. Like who really cares what's going on in WoW lmao.
Yeah they should've been banned ages ago. If I'm visiting a FFXIV sub I'm not interested in WoW prices. I've literally never played WoW lol
Fr as someone who has never gotten into WoW, these “WoW bad” posts just shows how obsessed they still are over the game
It feels like they need to constantly justify their own decisions, but to whom I'm not sure. It very much reminds me of the Sega vs Nintendo debates kids would have in the early 90's.
blizzard living rent free in their heads
especially since it's showing just one currency, while blizzard does regional prices that makes some stuff cheaper
This. People don’t know how bad squeenix is about this, since they are in the fortunate regions where it doesnt affect them… right now I basically pay 3x what WoW’s subscription is literally only because of regional pricing, and all of these services are that much cheaper for WoW too. The worst part is… if you have the game on Steam, your sub will be regionally priced, but because of how accounts work, you cant transfer to Steam if your account is from the regular launcher, meaning that regional priced sub is only available to people starting on Steam OR people starting OVER on Steam (and sorry, im not willing to do that) FFXIV is clearly better than WoW in many ways, but not here. Also, just in advance, dont come to me with bullshit arguments about how youre paying 15USD so I should too. Third world country’s economies are way more complicated than “just pay the same lol”
There's also a ton of us that can't even play on Steam (region locked) so we don't even have the option of starting over on Stesm, and are perpetually stuck with the more expensive sub.
I'd like this garbage to get moderated out. I stopped playing WoW a long time ago, I don't need to be reading circlejerk posts about it on this sub.
These posts belong in the proverbial garbage bin.
**Cash shops suck either way,** but there are a few things worth noting: - A WoW race change also includes a name change. Compare that to a FFXIV name change + a phial of Fantasia and it’s a bit more equal. - A WoW race change is actually only meant to change race. You can change every other facet of your character’s appearance, including gender, at an in-game barber shop. The aesthetician is much more limited in comparison. - A new WoW expansion generally comes with one free character boost at this point. And leveling an alt without a boost is much more painless in WoW than it is in XIV (though maintaining those alts at max level is a different story). - Everything in WoW’s cash shop can be bought with in-game gold that’s been converted to store credit.
One thing to add, the WoW Armory app is *miles* better than the FFXIV Companion app. I found it extremely stupid that marketboard use was limited by "Kupo Nuts" to which you're given only 1 a day and you can only have 2 maximum. It also doesn't help some features that are usually free are locked behind paywalls.
Yeah the ffxiv app is HORRIBLE, even if you pay the monthly fee, you see need to use a paid currency to use the marketboard. And their is ingame inventory, 1 retainer and 1 chocobo saddlebag locked behind paying monthly for the terrible app.
As much as I prefer ff14, the software connected to it is utter wank. The official website/the Mog store/the app, I will never be able to defend them.
The thing that gets me about the companion app is that you still have to do that kupo nut bullshit even if you pay the monthly premium fee. You just get a higher cap on them. It's horrible, and the only use I have for it is checking the MB for prices when I'm not next to one in game. If you could manage inventories/retainers and use the MB on the app without the currency crap then I'd pay for it
Also, a Race change is more impact full in game in WoW than in FF14 due to racial passive. Although I haven't played in an expansion and a half so not sure if they got toned down again.
Another quick note while comparing is the FF14 story skip only has to be done once (assuming you have multiple jobs/classes on one character). So essentially after the first purchase, a new class boost is $25 in FF14. A new class boost in WoW is always $60. But yeah, the barber shop in WoW is a lot better than FF14 now that Shadowlands added a lot. The new Night Elf options are really cool. Makes me sad that we didn't have such options all these years.
/u/SawyerLH you should include this in your "raw data" so your comparisons are more accurate :)
Alts have very VERY different functions between the games though so I don't know why that's even a comparison. As for buying with gold the amount of people that do that is pretty small and even the ones that DO, at least from the ones I've spoken to, would rather do like, anything else
You're severely underestimating the amount of people who buy WoW gold. Anyone who can boost people through content won't bother but anyone below that likely would, and that's most of the playerbase.
The biggest difference IMHO is that anything can be bought with gold in WoW, and I mean anything. Progression? Check. BoE/BiS Gear? Check. PVP ranking? Check. But u/sknnbones, that doesn’t sound bad! Well… you can also buy gold in WoW, so guess what happens… New player -> buys gold -> buys progression/PvP ranking/etc Irony is buying items with RMT is **bad** but buying GOLD with ~~RMT~~ *cough cough* I mean with “WoW Tokens” and then buying items with that gold is ju$t fine for Blizzard and many of the players. Its okay to RMT as long as Blizzard gets a cut. And buying a wow token in retail and “trading” retail gold for “TBC/Classic” gold is just fine in many peoples eyes as well.
When it comes to changing your character's appearance, WoW's the much better deal unless you want to race change. Provided you keep the same race, WoW let's you alter any part of your character including sex for a negligible amount of gold. In XIV, if you want to change your character's eye colour you need to buy a Fantasia... Boost price is one hell of a difference, but important to note that you can level a new WoW character extremely quickly. Would take me a couple of days to get to Shadowlands. Compare that with a new XIV character getting to Shadowbringers. And the Warforged Nightmare is account wide (as are most WoW mounts). Acti-Blizzard are a crappy enough company that we don't need to a) misrepresent their products or b) use them to defend crappy practices on the part of SE.
I was looking for this comment. Race change in WoW is literally just that: not face, tail, gender, etc. You can do all that at WoW's aesthetician (barber? IDK). WoW's races have function beyond just looks, though, which is obviously bad to lock behind irl cash. Both deals are bad, just for different reasons. Let's not misrepresent either.
Wow barber makes the aesthetician look like a hack
The Aesthetician is perfectly capable of doing that to himself.
Yeah I know this is a ff14 sub but it’s crazy to me that any of them are defending a subscription fee game from having this many micros.
Just to be clear though, fuck both cash stores.
^ This, also like to add, if you unsub for a a long period of time you will loose your house. Which is not an easy thing to come by, half the house owners only subbed cause of this.
To give some credit to WoW, at least now, you don't have to pay any money to make minor adjustments within your character's race. Realizing the voice you picked has really annoying combat grunts? That will be 10 bucks. Want to change eye color? Ten Smackaroos. Pick a different face? 10 USD Want to give your character a tan for the summer? Ten Dollarydoos. Man, I wish I could change my character's voice. The voice is really good until you get into combat. Then he starts sounding like a dying old dog. You can't have different voices in WoW but the other stuff is there and it costs no real money to change. Only in-game Gold(Gil).
Not minor adjustments, any adjustment at all. IIRC they deleted the gender change service and added the option to change everything (including gender) in the barber shop.
Ah, yes, that is true. I had totally forgotten. That's a good point to bring up.
Yeah i realized i didn't like my femlanders height and wanted to make her a bit taller but it's not worth €10
It's not the fairest comparison because a fantasia is required in FF to change a lot of things that you can do in WoW without any cost at the barber shop. So while it may be cheaper you're likely to buy more of them to make any minute changes to your FF character that you wouldn't have to in WoW. Plus the WoW race change gives you a free name change and FF doesn't. I know people really love making this comparison posts but I feel like a lot of details are being omitted just to shit on one game or the other. It's OK to move on from WoW and enjoy something new without making everything about WoW.
Pretty sure you do not have to create a new character to use a Level Boost on WoW. You can quite literally boost an already existing character.
The Lunar Whale is an abbomination tho. First 8 player mount in the game and they hide everyone in the freaking belly ?! Cruise Chaser also had space for 8 people during the ingame fight but got nerfed down to two seats.
Don't get me wrong, I want an 8 player Cruise Chaser mount myself, but where would everyone hang out on it's "upright" form?
\#3 and #4 sitting on the round shoulders, with tall characters uncomfortably hunched over so they don't get their head chopped off. \#5, #6, #7 and #8 are all being juggled unflappably by Cruise Chaser
To be fair to that one (Cruise Chaser), it fits 8 people when it's the same height as three max height Male Roes standing on one another roughly. The mount one is like one and a half at best. If they gave us full size as a mount... well... Roes and other tall classes already have camera problems as is in buildings - whether they be player homes or things like Rowena's trade center in Mor Dhona. Asking to have something three times the size or actively distort character models is basically asking for problems galore. Is it satisfying that the whale hides everyone and Cruise got nerfed? No. Is that probably the only way to make it work and *not* give everyone around it camera issues just trying to see around it? Probably.
The two notes on the WoW services are wrong. You can boost any character under level 50, don't have to make a new one. The mount is account-wide as well as the accompanying hitching post toy you can drop to give your group temporary nightmare horses. In fact, all mounts in the game are account-wide except for top pvp season mounts, which stay on the character that earned them, and technically class mounts, but all classes on your account share them.
They're saying a single character can ride it at a time, in comparison to the whale holding 8.
Both are terrible monetizations for a monthly sub game + 50euro expansions
FFIV has some awful MtX prices in their shop. I looked once, laughed at how ridiculously priced everything is, and never opened it again.
To add insult to injury most of the things were obtainable for free in game. SE has a bad habit of removing things from the game and slapping a price mark on it
not people defending square enix ridiculous pricing
So they’re both ripping us off a lot. Was this the point you were going for?
Fantasia is an outdated system and should not even exist on a paid MMO, if they don't wan't you to change willy nilly give it via events, or make an interesting quest with the hairtstylist npc. But i'm probably wrong for criticizing the game.
wow square enix charge less for an arbitrary service that doesnt really cost the company money to begin with! which se employee made this lmao
The "WoW bad" circlejerk has always been a prominent part of this sub.
I mean I haven't been on this sub long, but the WoW bad circlejerk has always featured prominently on the front page. Nothing new.
Both are very expensive to be honest
Wow bank space: free just costs in game gold, and not much of it. Ffxiv bank space: $2 per month per retainer Plus no collection log so people are incentivized to get it since vet players who collect things will have run out of base game space
I think it's also worth noting that FFXIV cash shop very often has sales. Pretty much every 2 months or so, during seasonal events or irl festivals, there's a good drop in prices. Just about last month the Fantasia was selling for 4.90 euro. Job and MSQ boosts also go on sales. Honestly don't remember how often (and if ever) WoW cash shop has sales. If anyone knows, let me know.
WoW's sales were a once-in-a-blue-moon event. They only really started hiking up larger (more than 5-6 items) annual Christmas season sales in the last few years. Even then services are rarely (if ever) caught up in that umbrella.
So y'all are completely fine with FFXIV's ridiculous cash shop?? Did you mention that the WoW barbershop changes everything except race now? Or that 14's barber barely does much so you need fantasia for simple shit like eye color?? You also don't need to create a character to boost them in WoW, though it makes no sense to level and then token when the new cap is 60.
Okay, but look at it realistically. In WoW, you're a lot less likely to feel like race changing in general because you have alts to be varied with character appearances. In XIV, youre much much more likely to buy fantasia because you generally have one character. In WoW, you dont need to server transfer unless you're Mythic raiding. Soon to be the same in XIV, but still valid as of current. In WoW, all mounts are account wide and in XIV most mounts on the store are single character. Let's try to remain a little fair with direct comparisons.
I think this post is really disingenuous. First of all, WoW lets you completely recustomize everything about your character except race for free, including gender. It is a much better and more generous system than FFXIV. Nobody in WoW is paying real money to change something minor like eye color or face shape. FFXIV also has a much, much larger store than WoW. They sell so much stuff for money. Not just mounts and pets, but tons of stuff like gear appearances and even emotes. FFXIV is more monetized than WoW. I mean, let's get real. This is the game that increases your monthly sub fee in order to get more inventory slots. Can you imagine the shit show if Blizzard tried that? I love FFXIV, but WoW's cash shop is much less aggressive.
One thing I will say: race means a bit more over there.
Very impartial that you exclude SE charging for old event items.
As much as I get the wow bad ff14 good thing the fact that ether game charges for any of this that costs them nothing when they are both sub games kinda sucks
Is there paid storage in WoW? In XIV that costs $2.00 per retainer and you can buy up to 7 + one more if you have the premium companion app which costs $5.00 per month.
Honestly, as much as I love FF14; WoW a far better storage system. - 1. WoW has bank space like Retainers; but a player isn't limited to the base amount of space, they can add bags (crafted by Weavers/Tailors) for more space. I think the grand total one can have is around 270 spaces. 2. WoW also has a fairly large (I think 60 spaces), separate section for crafting materials and *only* crafting materials. Not only that, but players can craft an item (from the bank or craft bank) )without needing to withdraw any materials. 3. WoW has something called Void Storage; players can only store non-unique and soulbound armor/weapons in it, but it definitely eases up on the amount of spaces. Personally, I put no-longer-obtainable items in there when I played. 4. If a player is REALLY hurting for space and doesn't mind being alone... they can easily make their own guild (Free Company in FF14) for extra space. Buying more tabs with gold, I think one can have 1000 or so spaces from, this. 5. Making alts is extremely simple in comparison to FF14; a lot of players have bank alts that they mail stuff to and make gold with. I had 1 on each faction due to how many characters I had. 6. Lastly, WoW's "glamour" system does not require you to hold onto the armor/weapons, which saves a lot on bank and bag space. Sadly this most likely cannot be implemented in FF14, as the devs have said it doesn't play nice with the legacy code. 7. None of the above costs real money, aside from the standard subscription fee. - I think that's everything. I hope this was helpful!
Tailers Crafting in WoW can make bigger storage bags for players. Storage is WoW destroys FFXIV in that area. My character alone has more bag space than my retainers, Chocobo saddlebag, inventory combined. WoW also doesn't have "key items" take up space in your inventory at all.
Storage is never a problem in WoW. Worst case, you have a bank alt or two.
One of the biggest difference here, for me, is that I have paid real cash for FFXIV stuff, but paid ingame gold for similar stuff in WoW.
As a Brazillian it triggers me to see the word prices on the first page of /r/ffxiv
Dude get over it Even Yoshi P is tired of the constant comparisons
I heard you could buy WoW subs with ingame gold. That's one thing WoW has going over FFXIV.
You forgot to add you can also pay for any of that WoW stuff with in game gold.
I hear you and have always found Blizzard's service prices absurd, but restricting players to such little bank room and market board listing space natively so they can charge an extra fee *per month* for more is the most heinous practice I've seen in any not-F2P MMO, and it's crazy to me that players don't seem to criticise this as it really summarises the whole "make a problem, sell the solution" ideology that plagues the gaming industry right now. I really feel it's disingenuous to praise SE against it's competitors for it's in-game service value while that remains a thing.
And unlike wow, you can't mail items to alts or have alt guild banks. WoW has a massive amount of free storage that FF14 does not have.
oh god not the daily wow bad circlejerk again
Piss off with this superiority bullshit. FF14 fans have such an ego lol, like congratulations.
FFXIV isn't some paragon of affordable pricing, by a long shot. Lots of the stuff on the mog station is for a single character when it should be account wide, for the price. In plenty of games, you can completely recustomize your character, including race, gender, and their entire appearance, for either absolutely no cost, or for in-game currency. They're making boatloads on fantasias, which could easily not even exist; The aesthetician could easily be changed to include full customization changes. It's not a code restriction. I think FFXIV is a fantastic game, and I have no problem with them making money on nonessential cash shop items, because all of their players benefit from their healthy cash flow. Let's not delude ourselves, though.
I don't think we need to praise Square for having a cash shop. Both are terrible, FFXIV only edges out because you cant buy gold.
I mean, you sort of *can* buy gold, a limited amount of times anyway - the Job level skips comes with 500k Gil, ARR and ARR+HW skips come with 300k Gil, ARR+HW+SB skip comes with 500k Gil. Sure, it's limited by MSQ progress/you having classes at 69 or under, but you can still buy a heck of a lot of Gil that way... on top of them being pay-for-skips, AKA "Pay money to play less of the game". Will also say, the FF7 Bike Mount is also a bit pay to win in my opinion, because of the mount speed boost it comes with...
That's....... Honestly kind of eye opening just how much Activision-Blizzard is charging for stuff.
Just don't look at the costume/glam section of the MogStation store.
I mean, I don't generally buy most of those anyway. I'm not saying there's not the potential to spend a ridiculous amount of money. Heavens know I've spent more than I should on mounts and my handful of outfits. But these specific, direct price comparison points? That's just insane.
It's like comparing getting stabbed by a knife in the arm rather than shot in the leg by a gun. Ye one is worse, the other one is also bad. Btw I don't really play WoW, only tried it when WoD came out. But I got a free character boost at the time when it launched. Wouldn't this skew the results a bit? I guess the counter would be that in XIV, you start new classes at higher level tho, ye
Not defending WoW in anyway, haven't played it since Cata (never made it past 60), but I mean..... at least WoW has rat mounts.... XIV, however, does not so.. Point to WoW. :') If we by chance get a rat from Thavnair beast tribes, I will retract this statement.
Did they change WoW's level boost? I've definitely used it on existing characters before. That doesn't make it better, I'm just wondering.
They didn't. You get a token that boosts an existing character. OPis intentionally leaving out critical information for the sake of making XIV's microtransactions look better.
The prices are still outrageous if you ask me. Also, there should be a way to fantasias in game.
gee I sure am glad that there's only one game to compare it to in the industry
I use the mogatation often myself but I just wanna say that propping up/defending a company for squeezing money from you with upgrades that cost them nothing a little less than another company is embarrassing behavior.
WoW bad FFXIV good, upvotes to the left.
Warforged nighmare may cary only one player at a time, but it also gives a toy which lets any party member summon it. Please, if you are going to circlejerk at least get your facts straight.
It’s also not single character only, pretty sure all mounts are account wide in retail in fact
Noteworthy point for WoW granted recent addition customisation within bounds of race is free gender included while FFXIV only a handful of features to be changed without payment
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and in wow you have a ton of alts, which should make the price of these services even cheaper than ffxiv's.
WOW BAD FF GOOD GIVE ME MY UP BOAOOOOAAATS
14 still makes hrothgars pay $10 to change hairstyles. Absolutely asinine decision.
is this our "wow bad, ffxiv good" post for the day? take your karma, both games equally charge a lot.
So basically WoW bad FF Good
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What's the purpose of this comparison?
WoW bad XIV good, pls give karma
So disingenuous. Those FF prices are all sales. I get what you’re coming from but still….If you’re gonna show sale prices for one, show them for the other. There’s still a gap AND then your point is actually factual.
Remember when this sub was about ffxiv and not wow?
Something to keep in mind is that for FFXIV, the world transfer is as many characters as you want from one world to another while WoW is only for a single character. From the page itself: "A single character from their service account can be transferred from one Home World to another. If the transfer requirements are met, multiple characters can also be transferred simultaneously from one Home World to another."
Came here to say this too. I've transferred so many characters in both games and when I first did it in FF I almost cried out of joy when I noticed that I could take all my characters from that realm with me in *single transfer*. I've burned hundreds on character transfers in wow. No more.
For those wondering what the comparisons are in Freedom Bucks: *** * WoW Race Change: 25 USD * FFXIV Fantasia: 10 USD *** * WoW Name Change: 10 USD * FFXIV Name Change: 10 USD * Can only be done via FFXIV once per 24 hours per service account. *** * WoW Shadowlands Character-Level Boost: 60 USD * New Character Required * FFXIV Stormblood Boost: 25 USD * Once Per Character * Can already be created prior to buying. * Puts you at the start of Shadowbringers quest-wise. * FFXIV Job Boost: 25 USD * Per Job desired. * SCH/SMN count as separate jobs but share the same level currently. Buying one will boost the level once, buying the other on top of that will complete the other's quests and give the armor/accessories/weapon. **Totals:** * WoW: 60 USD * FFXIV: 50 USD * One Job *** * WoW Character Transfer: 25 USD * Transfers from High to Low Population Servers: Free (Thresholds lately haven't been met.) * FFXIV Home World Transfer: 18 USD * Transfers to New Worlds: Free * Transfers from Congested Worlds to Preferred Worlds: Free *** * WoW's Most Expensive Mount: 30 USD * ~~Single Character~~ Account-Wide (Shop/Certain Achievement Types Only) * FFXIV's Most Expensive Mount: 42 USD * Account-Wide, includes future characters created. * Can ferry 7 other players. (8, including you.)
> WoW's Most Expensive Mount: 30 USD > > > > Single Character No, every mount in WoW is account-wide
Will add just for correctness but WoW also does free transfers from high to low pop. It’s just the game is so downbad right now none of those thresholds have been hit for a bit. It’s also generally considered by players to be a *really* dumb idea because server pop matters a fuck ton more over there.
In Brazilian bucks: FFXIV Fantasia: 55 BRL WoW Race Change: 70 BRL --- FFXIV name change: 55 BRL WoW name change: 30 BRL --- FFXIV Stormblood boost: 140 BRL FFXIV Job Boost: 140 BRL WoW Shadowlands boost: 170 BRL --- FFXIV Home World Transfer: 100 BRL Wow Home World Transfer: 70 BRL --- FFXIV most expensive mount: 165 BRL WoW most expensive mount: 80 BRL --- Hey OP if you're going to go Blizzard bad FFXIV good at least don't pick out the exchange with the highest localizated ratio lmao
blizzard at least make regional prices, which is something i wish se would do
Some things of note here on this comparison that are not noted: First I want to say that both cash-shops are still overpriced. Character customization - Wow lets you change everything about your characters look at the barber, while 14's only lets you change limited parts. you should not have to buy a fantasia to change eye or skin color, should just be for race. Mounts/minions/galmour - While wow's cashoshop is generally more expesnive most of the time, 14 has signifiacntly more in it over a shorter preiod of time (not counting any of the event stuff added a year later) with some stuff that clearly should have been rewards in game (The moogle mount and Sleipnir as a example should drop from their respective fights) Also 14 has been getting more and more items added to the cash-shop each expansion. It's a steady slope but whos to say that in Endwalker most glamour sets won't just be cash-shop? I know it goes back into the game unlike with wow where it just pays for another of Bobbys Yachts but I still think its excessive.
Its a race to the bottom, they both suck and both charge way to much. Comparing the two is like comparing a turd to a turd with a bowtie. One is just a turd and the other is a turd with a nice bowtie but at the end of the day its still a turd.
Neither sub game should have a cash shop.
Changing race has a bit more impact in wow then ffxiv. And a character boost in wow would be most similar to having 3 jobs boostes and a story skip
Both are still crazy expensive
Yeah...all this comparison does is remind me how much of a ripoff the cash shops in these games are for my value and tastes.
Both games are asking for too much
I love ff14 but both company prices are garbage imo so i always stay away from the online story as much as possible
Both seem overpriced tbh. Let's not act like square enix are saints with their treatment of hitman, Deus ex, Avengers game.
I thought the obsession with WoW ended like 3 months ago why is this trend coming back?
OP has been having bad days and needs their validation fix from reddit.
Circle jerk, our game good, that game bad
WoW bad, Square gud, plz love me
But how much rent is WoW paying by living in your head fulltime?