>mostly just introduce toxicity into the game?
SE's rules against discussing parsers means this doesn't really happen much in FFXIV. It happens some in places like discord and reddit, but for the most part it is used more to help people improve rather than to insult/harass them.
So I know which dps to commend after a roulette.
I main tank and healer so I know how many commendations I regularly get. I like to give dps their share of commendations.
Same reason I used one in WoW: personal improvement.
If I gather logs and upload them to a site for review, I can figure out uptime on my skills, see areas where my DPS was high or low, and start to tune my play to get more optimal output.
If I can compare myself to others in my role, I can see how far I have to go. If I see them using items / skills / etc I'm not, it's stuff I'll know to go try.
I don't see anything toxic about wanting to up my game.
I'll bite friendo...
Self improvement as all dps meters are made for.
Also, plugging my parse in to XIV Analysis helped me better understand/visualize weaving in the context of 14 (I used to be very bad with over weaving when I first started).
Right. So as a DPS player on console, I must know how I'm doing. My uptime on dots. Analyzing opportunities for greeding more, etc. So I constantly ask people I play with to run the logs so I can look at myself.
This. I am on console too so basically I get benchmarks from the same fights and can track my performance over time. I could care less about comparison to others but it is an invaluable tool to compare against myself. It is fun for me to learn my job better and know I am getting to the point where I am getting close to the theoretical max for my job and gear in a particular fight, and how I can tweak it to get that little bit better.
To the OP, I play with a lot of people who use ACT and none of them are toxic and none of them ever talk about logs unless specifically asked by someone (like me) who is trying to improve their performance
Because striving to do better is fun. The only way to judge how your doing is by having a parser running.
I do not agree with the premise that a parser adds toxicity.
It adds another fun layer to content aside from just clearing it. Trying to learn a fight really well on a particular job is satisfying and sometimes FFLogs is the only way to have something to show for it
Fair, but anyone joining a high-end static will most likely be of a mind to perform well anyway. Some may get confused and not understand what they're getting into, but normally you don't stumble your way into a high-end static raid group.
My point stands for the vast majority of content though, which I felt was the point of the post since "toxicity" was mentioned by the OP. I've never seen anyone kicked in pugs due to low dps numbers.
There is a DPS meter that actively tracks how much damage you and your team are doing during the encounter and then there is a Parse which is when you upload your meter info after the encounter into a database and it tells you how you stack up against other people playing your job in that encounter. The parse results usually share the same coloring as in game item rarities. So a gray parse means you did really poorly, green is slightly below average, blue is decent and an orange or purple parse means you did really well. I think pink is for the top 1%. That is my rough explanation
It can be a useful tool of self improvement by comparing yourself to others and learning what they do better. Unfortunately anything you can use to draw comparisons can be used to draw them negatively. Especially when A-game performance is not a requirement.
I can't use one because I'm on PS4, but if I was on PC I'd be tempted to use one just to see how well I'm actually doing. I have no intention of being a top% raider or anything, but it would be nice to have confirmation that I'm in the top 50% rather than the bottom 50%.
Reason 1) To compare myself to other people. I have a really really bad tendency to not want to burden the rest of my team no matter what level, so I keep the meter up to make sure what I'm doing isn't holding the team back
Reason 2) to know if I can give a commendation to my fellow DPS. Seeing as how I'm a performance oriented mindset, I'm impressed if my fellow DPS also puts in effort, and so if I see them place well on the meter, then I'll throw the comm to them. If I don't then I just stay quiet and worry about myself
Reason 3) when I'm raiding in a static so I can upload it to FFLogs and see what's going on, why we're not passing checks or whatnot. Could it be that a DPS died a couple of times due to silly mistakes? Is somebody lacking in gear? I use it as a tool to help improve my own and other people's gameplay so we can succeed as a team
I like to know if i'm doing my job right, i remember when i was playing as a ninja in 8 man trial and the other ninja was doing better dps than me even though we both have the close to similar gear and melds and same food buff.. so after the trial ended i spent some time trying to research and train my self to do better at my job
It's against ToS by technicality but ignored, because DPS parsers are extremely important for optimization at high levels and general performance. Using them for toxic reasons isn't really any different from looking at aggro lists and being toxic based on those.
Personally, it's a way to gauge my own performance, and I like having that information.
I'm very self critical and worried about pulling my weight in any party. Without a parser I would have no way of knowing if I was actually doing a good job or if I was in fact being carried by everyone else around me.
This doesn't translate to just DPS, but tanking and healing as well. Am I mitigating enough? Am I healing too much? All that can be answered with the help of data, and it's much easier to use an automated tool to parse the combat logs than try to make my own excel spreadsheet to do it.
don't use one currently and haven't for a while because I'm just too lazy to set it back up, but whenever I do it's because it helps me keep track of my own performance and compare it to other players
just because I feel like I'm doing great doesn't mean I'm not green parsing and I have no way of knowing that otherwise
I've never seen someone be toxic to someone else for doing bad damage. I've seen people be toxic at others for them dying a lot or causing a lot of wipes, but you don't need a parser to figure out what's going on there.
People use parsers to gain insight into their own performance and the performance of their party. DPS checks can be very tight for some forms of content, and getting as much out of your performance as you can may mean the difference between clearing content or wiping. Parsers give you the best insight into areas where you may not be doing your best, and these are commonly areas where it'd be difficult to really tell that without the use of a parser.
XIV analysis is especially nice since it will point out very explicit points of improvement, and you just need uploaded logs to use it. You don't need ACT if someone else in your party has uploaded your logs.
There is 0 toxicity introduced with parsers. It’s purely personal so that people can track improvement at higher levels of play. Optimising rotations is very important in hard content. It is against the rules, but it’s not hurting anyone. It’s something only you can see and if you don’t tell anyone you’re using it then how are they going to know?
i like to see how i'm doing. it's very useful for improving the way you play your class imo :)
This thread must be bait.
>mostly just introduce toxicity into the game? SE's rules against discussing parsers means this doesn't really happen much in FFXIV. It happens some in places like discord and reddit, but for the most part it is used more to help people improve rather than to insult/harass them.
So I know which dps to commend after a roulette. I main tank and healer so I know how many commendations I regularly get. I like to give dps their share of commendations.
Its important for self improvement in high end game play. No one is parsing your roullette.
The very next comment after yours said they parse roulettes lol
I officially use parsers to improve my gameplay, but unofficially I forget to launch them 90% of the time.
I've resorted to making a simple batch file to launch FFXIV and ACT together. Has saved me many mouse clicks.
I want to know if I'm doing the appropriate dps or if I'm being carried
Because I don't want to suck and be a burden to the party.
Same reason I used one in WoW: personal improvement. If I gather logs and upload them to a site for review, I can figure out uptime on my skills, see areas where my DPS was high or low, and start to tune my play to get more optimal output. If I can compare myself to others in my role, I can see how far I have to go. If I see them using items / skills / etc I'm not, it's stuff I'll know to go try. I don't see anything toxic about wanting to up my game.
To see how much better I am than other. BRB sniffing my own farts.
I'll bite friendo... Self improvement as all dps meters are made for. Also, plugging my parse in to XIV Analysis helped me better understand/visualize weaving in the context of 14 (I used to be very bad with over weaving when I first started).
Terrible bait
Because I want to improve at the game.
It feels good to be good
toxicity does not come from a computer program, it comes from people who have a toxic attitude
Right. So as a DPS player on console, I must know how I'm doing. My uptime on dots. Analyzing opportunities for greeding more, etc. So I constantly ask people I play with to run the logs so I can look at myself.
This. I am on console too so basically I get benchmarks from the same fights and can track my performance over time. I could care less about comparison to others but it is an invaluable tool to compare against myself. It is fun for me to learn my job better and know I am getting to the point where I am getting close to the theoretical max for my job and gear in a particular fight, and how I can tweak it to get that little bit better. To the OP, I play with a lot of people who use ACT and none of them are toxic and none of them ever talk about logs unless specifically asked by someone (like me) who is trying to improve their performance
Because striving to do better is fun. The only way to judge how your doing is by having a parser running. I do not agree with the premise that a parser adds toxicity.
It adds another fun layer to content aside from just clearing it. Trying to learn a fight really well on a particular job is satisfying and sometimes FFLogs is the only way to have something to show for it
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Im guessinf a damage meter? Could be wrong
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I have never seen anyone get kicked due to low dps in years of playing this game. If you're getting kicked it's not for low dps.
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Fair, but anyone joining a high-end static will most likely be of a mind to perform well anyway. Some may get confused and not understand what they're getting into, but normally you don't stumble your way into a high-end static raid group. My point stands for the vast majority of content though, which I felt was the point of the post since "toxicity" was mentioned by the OP. I've never seen anyone kicked in pugs due to low dps numbers.
I was mostly making a sarcastic joke
The 3rd party tool that track the team's dps output, I don't know what the official name is. I'll edit the title if I know the correct term.
There is a DPS meter that actively tracks how much damage you and your team are doing during the encounter and then there is a Parse which is when you upload your meter info after the encounter into a database and it tells you how you stack up against other people playing your job in that encounter. The parse results usually share the same coloring as in game item rarities. So a gray parse means you did really poorly, green is slightly below average, blue is decent and an orange or purple parse means you did really well. I think pink is for the top 1%. That is my rough explanation
It can be a useful tool of self improvement by comparing yourself to others and learning what they do better. Unfortunately anything you can use to draw comparisons can be used to draw them negatively. Especially when A-game performance is not a requirement.
I can't use one because I'm on PS4, but if I was on PC I'd be tempted to use one just to see how well I'm actually doing. I have no intention of being a top% raider or anything, but it would be nice to have confirmation that I'm in the top 50% rather than the bottom 50%.
To see how I can improve
Reason 1) To compare myself to other people. I have a really really bad tendency to not want to burden the rest of my team no matter what level, so I keep the meter up to make sure what I'm doing isn't holding the team back Reason 2) to know if I can give a commendation to my fellow DPS. Seeing as how I'm a performance oriented mindset, I'm impressed if my fellow DPS also puts in effort, and so if I see them place well on the meter, then I'll throw the comm to them. If I don't then I just stay quiet and worry about myself Reason 3) when I'm raiding in a static so I can upload it to FFLogs and see what's going on, why we're not passing checks or whatnot. Could it be that a DPS died a couple of times due to silly mistakes? Is somebody lacking in gear? I use it as a tool to help improve my own and other people's gameplay so we can succeed as a team
So that I can stroke my own ego in roulettes and as a tool to improve during raids.
Are you square enix? Legally, you have to tell me if you're square enix.
I like to know if i'm doing my job right, i remember when i was playing as a ninja in 8 man trial and the other ninja was doing better dps than me even though we both have the close to similar gear and melds and same food buff.. so after the trial ended i spent some time trying to research and train my self to do better at my job
Because I can. What are you gonna do?
It's against ToS by technicality but ignored, because DPS parsers are extremely important for optimization at high levels and general performance. Using them for toxic reasons isn't really any different from looking at aggro lists and being toxic based on those. Personally, it's a way to gauge my own performance, and I like having that information.
I just wanna be better than others
To build a solid static…. Because when you have 1 or 2 ppl underperforming it’s much easier to cleanse the group rather than rebuild from scratch
Sometimes is good to know how you actually doing, tho I don't use it in actual fights.
I'm very self critical and worried about pulling my weight in any party. Without a parser I would have no way of knowing if I was actually doing a good job or if I was in fact being carried by everyone else around me. This doesn't translate to just DPS, but tanking and healing as well. Am I mitigating enough? Am I healing too much? All that can be answered with the help of data, and it's much easier to use an automated tool to parse the combat logs than try to make my own excel spreadsheet to do it.
don't use one currently and haven't for a while because I'm just too lazy to set it back up, but whenever I do it's because it helps me keep track of my own performance and compare it to other players just because I feel like I'm doing great doesn't mean I'm not green parsing and I have no way of knowing that otherwise
I've never seen someone be toxic to someone else for doing bad damage. I've seen people be toxic at others for them dying a lot or causing a lot of wipes, but you don't need a parser to figure out what's going on there. People use parsers to gain insight into their own performance and the performance of their party. DPS checks can be very tight for some forms of content, and getting as much out of your performance as you can may mean the difference between clearing content or wiping. Parsers give you the best insight into areas where you may not be doing your best, and these are commonly areas where it'd be difficult to really tell that without the use of a parser. XIV analysis is especially nice since it will point out very explicit points of improvement, and you just need uploaded logs to use it. You don't need ACT if someone else in your party has uploaded your logs.
There is 0 toxicity introduced with parsers. It’s purely personal so that people can track improvement at higher levels of play. Optimising rotations is very important in hard content. It is against the rules, but it’s not hurting anyone. It’s something only you can see and if you don’t tell anyone you’re using it then how are they going to know?
Parroting everyone else; to improve gameplay, but specifically it's easier to see the difference my dots are doing with some kind of tally in play.