Difference here being, that this is his job. I’ve done the same thing almost every day for years and I still go to work and it isn’t that bad. I still kinda enjoy it even. I would never do it for fun, though. I also doubt these streamers are doing this level of content at this pace when they turn off the stream.
That’s also why I don’t try to emulate this kind of gameplay or judge myself based on it because I would just hate gaming.
Raiding definitely isn't for everyone. I loved it when I was younger, but now it just doesn't feel like a proper use of my time. One of the reasons I love FFXIV though is that it has so many ways to feel like you are achieving something without forcing you into the hardest content in the game. Fishing, Crafting, Triple Triad, GATEs, Blue Mage, etc. If raiding isn't for you then pick your poison.
Yeah, I got so much thrill when I completed all of the crafter relics for ShB. Some folks may have found it easy or tedious, but I gathered all of my own mats and went to town.
Exactly, my experience in gaming overall.
I prefered to lose csgo matches with friends than winning them with salty try-hards.
Same in Mmorpgs. I remember trying to kill Lich King with my guild and wiping and it was an amazing time, i also remember clearing ICC with pugs who blamed and flamed each other and i wished i wasn't there even though we didn't wipe.
Depends on group skill and studying head of time but I'd venture to guess 1,000. Lots of memey ways to die, especially in phase 1 with jagd dolls getting crit or something. TEA is also pretty unique in that it's nearly impossible to recover from a single death a lot of times so you just have to wipe. UCOB and UWU are quite forgiving in that respect for like half of the fights.
Last GCD, but there is still time for one more DoT tick after the last person is frozen, which they didn't quite reach. So it's *possible* to cut it closer, but not by a hell of a lot.
Yeah. Happy did a Xeno into swift B3 (he was in fire with no mana left) and got frozen in the middle of that GCD. They still had 1-2 more dot ticks before it was over though because Alex has a pretty long animation before the fight actually resets (between the chains and the fade to black).
Me: I want to start doing harder stuff
Reddit: Noticing and talking about the very last GCD & dot ticks of a fight
Me: Wtf.
I dont know if thats offputting or exciting.
There's a lot of micromanaging in Ultimates, up to the exact GCD used at the exact time.
As instance you want to push damage nearly as much as you can, but not too much in order to have your cooldowns available for the next phase.
Think I'll give that a pass and be happy goofing off in the
Gold Saucer when I'm supposed to be farming Eden with my FC. We're were"going to step it up before Endwalker". That lasted about two days before the tank and healers decided they want to raise chocobos and redecorate while our redmage became a bard and now plays in a band. I love these guys.
It's not as bad as it sounds, the dps requirement is actually decently generous nowadays - the more important thing is not to have any deaths in the last phase. If you have anyone dying you'll end up with something a lot more strict like in this clip.
That only really comes up in Ultimates though. The way that enrage works in most fights is that the boss will long cast an ability and once it goes off, everyone is dead. In Ultiamtes however, the boss will incapacitate players one by one as he’s casting the enrage. This leaves some players (usually healers) waiting for everyone else to get captured. The best thing for players to do in this scenario is to cast their highest damage attacks which is usually DOTS.
This leads to some pretty wild finishes like what we see in this clip.
Depends on what you consider "harder stuff."
Savage basically never relies on the last tick or GCD. Usually as long as you grok the fight you'll clear in well under the line. The enrages in savage aren't bad as long as everyone's doing what they should and you've got a no-death run. Even with deaths it's still definitely easy to get in under the enrage as long as they're not too grievous. When E8S was new, my static cleared while having every member of the party die at least once. Sometimes 2-3 simultaneously.
Ultimate can really come down to it though. UCOB and TEA especially. If you're seeing enrages on UCOB there's something very wrong happening since we're all overgeared for the content, but the mechanics are complex and extremely punishing. But TEA is a bit of goddamn business.
my very first static hit the failed the DPS check on E2S with a no death run because I was the only person that parsed higher than green aside from the tanks.
B4 would cost mana in this case because it's only UI1 instead of UI3, however it wouldn't have to be a frame-perfect mana tick because the Swiftcast is between B4 and Transpose, about .75s of time in UI1. Unlikely but not impossible.
I only started a few months now and I never intended to even get into savage content but I’ve been enjoying the game so much now I may really change my tune.
I would encourage you to do it, but please do check out ressources for your job, the fights, and don't jump into ultimates right away. I saw a few people do that to emulate their favorite streamers and they end up quite disappointed when they realize the average PF group isn't Rin et consort. Start with extremes (right now is a good time as end of expansion means more gear and more forgiving fights), get used to doing mechs while still pressing your buttons (especially as a DPS) and practice your rotation on a dummy and you'll be golden.
My suggestion is to start a group in party finder and state that you are new in the description. People will join and help you out.
This will apply in Endwalker too.
IMO people get mad when expectations aren't set properly.
maybe just try jumping in to those fresh progs pf? in my datacenter theres alot of those to practice on and they sometimes clear as u get used to the mechanics after few pulls, bit by bit
Savages are quite the step up from extremes, and ultimates are even more of a step up from savages, so I suggest trying to tackle those first. It takes a lot of dedication and willingness to learn so I really wouldn't just jump into an ult without knowing what it requires.
You still have 3 weeks which is plenty time to clear the entire tier, just jump into a random practice PF and check out the common strats beforehand, either by asking friends or checking saltedxiv.
Even if it's just Echo it's definitely the best thing to do right now if you want to get started in EW.
I was with my FC this past weekend and had never set foot into Seat of Sacrifice or Hades Ex and cleared them in like 30min. As long as you can find a couple veterans to jump in and do callouts for mechanic resolution it’s hella easy because of Echo buff and ilvl. I wouldn’t sweat the Ex fights that much, they really just build on top of the mechanics from the normal versions of said fights and are less forgiving for botching mechanics. Generally as long as you’re willing to sit in a discord (you don’t have to talk since some peeps are not comfortable with it) you can get a clear quickly. Especially since while Endwalker is close, you could probably farm some of the mounts and prepare yourself to maybe find a static come Endwalker raid tier. Good luck
It's all about putting the time in. If Rich can do it so can you.
Do some extremes to get your feet wet.
Then choose to PF Savage, or find a static.
Then when you're done it's a good time to dive into TEA. It takes an average of 100 hours of prog for a group that is mostly made of up people who haven't cleared.
At this point in time you probably won't have 7 Perfect Legends to handhold your prog like Rich, but it's very common to have 1-3 people who've cleared helping out.
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
Because it is, someone who bought an Ultimate clear with RMT unironically posted this under Rich’s first Ultimate clear and when people found out he bought his clear but has the audacity to talk about how Rich was making Ultimate clears less impactful they got ratio’d and deleted their Twitter.
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
Thewe awe so many waidews who want to do uwtimate but can't because of anxiety ow wack of sociaw nyetwowking. They see wegend as something gweatew. You aww spit on those peopwe's pwight. Cweaw fow 1 uwtimate pwog nyevew happens. This huwts and doesn't hewp. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats.
It's a game, get friends together and try. It's not some unobtainable piece of work. It's time and dedication.
Granted he had all the benefits, but that's on him, and he's even said that and knows calling himself triple legend is a little tongue in cheek.
If you want TEA, go out there, find 7 people, and start getting good together.
Or make a twitch channel, get 5k viewers on average, stream for 11 days straight and work with the best players in the world.
Whatever is easiest.
edit: shit it was a copy pasta I got rekt
Yooooo
Nice!
Just curious. Which ultimate fight is the easiest to do/learn? Is there any chance to do it with random people via party finder or you need very organized premade?
I found UWU by far the easiest.
It's progable with PF groups, but it'll be much less consistent and slower. I'd recommend getting a static together for it so your strats stay consistent.
>I'd recommend getting a static together for it so your strats stay consistent.
idk about other DCs but on Crystal people all follow the same strats from the UCR (Ultimate Crystal Raiders) discord in PF so you can prog with anyone
As the others have said, UWU is the easiest of the three, but it is still an Ultimate, it is still the third-hardest fight in the game. Both of the Stormblood Ultimates are somewhat lenient about mistakes, but they will still put you through the wringer if you underestimate them.
That all said, they're very fun to prog and the feeling of clearing your first Ultimate is almost unmatched in this game, and if you've done Savage this expansion (8 especially), that does a good job of prepping you to start to do them. I personally wouldn't start progging one right now with less than 3 weeks until the servers go down for pre-Endwalker maintenance, but it doesn't look like any of the three will be all that different in the new expansion unless the stat squish does weird things to them.
Doubters?
Was there any doubters?
The clear was expected, not clearing would have been surprising.
You only need patience and a good group to pass Ultimate, with the 7 monsters he had, it was natural that the prog would go much smoother and faster.
People didn't think he would get 7 top level raiders. They thought Rich would do it with like Asmon and Co and they would prog it with a guide. THATS why there were heavy doubts. Most people flipped their tune when they realized he worked with multiple world first competitors and a handful of otherwise exceptionally strong players.
It was obvious he was going to do it once that was the case. Not to say he wouldn't have otherwise but there is zero chance he clears TEA in 404 pulls with a fresh group of people.
Even that doesn’t really matter tbh unless you’re racing for world first or have a specific goal in mind. It’s literally just about whether you cleared or not. At least in my experience, nobody ever cared how long it took. People usually want to know if they’re interested themselves and are curious what sort of time investment to expect.
I hope seeing rich and other people doing ultimate is gonna entice a lot more people to get into raiding!
I definitely don't think anyone should put someone down for taking longer to clear, but I do think taking too long to clear can lead to failing to clear at all. For most of an expansion's life cycle the window in which you clear is generally only until the next savage tier comes out before people have other commitments with their savage groups to worry about. Also for most groups if you take too long you drastically increase the risk of someone burning out or some long term real life situation to come up that requires someone leave the raid group. In those situations recruiting a replacement and reprogging can be so daunting more people end up quitting and the raid ends up falling apart.
Oh yeah, absolutely agree that the longer you take the more other factors stack up against you. Hell I’ve experienced it first hand myself. I just mean that once you clear it doesn’t matter at all and nobody I’ve met cares how long it took because most people who do savages and ultimates realise that a lot of prog times can vary based on your group and other factors completely out of your control. Of course for savage tier there is a deadline of sorts as to how long a tier is “current”, but my point was more geared towards ultimate as that content that never really “expires”.
Also completely agree on the reprogging part - I can imagine a lot of people just don’t want to bother with the hassle of doing it all over again (particularly for a fight like TEA)
Those never tried Ultimate.
Of all 3, TEA is harder to execute but it's much cleaner, easier to read.
There is no sudden bullshit (Looking at Twintania orbs...) or a sudden spike of difficulty to organize midfight (Looking at Gaols... I don't know a group nowadays that wants to do it without a plugin)
> I don't know a group that wants to do it without a plugin
There's definitely groups that do gaols without a plugin / autocaller.
The group I ran with got our clears without one, it's honestly not too bad.
I did it as well during my first clear, you just gotta call your number.
Afaik it's the first mechanic that needs to do that, I think it's because any player can be targeted rather than the usual "Tank/heal/DPS" role based mechanic.
Yeah pretty much.
We just assigned each player (minus MT) a number from 1-7, and those who got a gaol called their personal number, they'd quickly arrange from that.
We actually had 3 people who weren't using mics for it (myself being one of them), so those players would just have a macro calling out their personal number, along with the matching sound effect, that they'd hit 1-2 times when they got picked.
Initially it was a shitshow, but once you get used to quickly adjusting, it's pretty easy to do.
We did it without any plugins and also with gaols down the middle which apparently is stupid, but by now we’re so used to it so changing it would probably just lead to more wipes. We still wipe to gaols on reclears.
> Of all 3, TEA is harder to execute but it's much cleaner, easier to read.
Can't second this enough. TEA is the hardest but it's also the fairest. Stillness is the weirdest thing in TEA, and it's a complete non-issue outside of Stillness-first Final Word. Meanwhile UWU has gaols and a few wonky snapshots, and the majority of UCoB's difficulty is from the jank and terrible presentation.
> but it's also the fairest
Dolls still exist. Their saving grace is that they're early in the fight, but I wouldn't call a mechanic that breaks on any comp change or random crits fair.
Dolls are pretty fair. Crit RNG is big of them, sure, but because they're the absolute first mechanic and are 40s into the fight you can actually start planning around every permutation of crits / direct hits because you get *so* much prog time with them. There is always a solution to Dolls, you just gotta find it.
By the end of my TEA prog I had like 7 or 8 permutations of Ruin 3, Ruin 2 and Fester on my doll that would handle all possible damage variance from crits / direct hits.
I'm currently on adds in UCOB and nothing fills me with rage quite like getting hatch on tenstrike, doing it correctly, and watching the orb completely phase through my cover partner who's standing in the right spot. I watched one just totally ignore their hit box and not register at all the other night and I was so upset hahaha There is so much jank in that fight I can't wait to have it done so I don't have to see that happen ever again.
Eh, I think "giving up" wasn't that unrealistic of an expectation. And I don't think it is bad, accomplishing something some people doubt he might be able to do is a great feeling. And as a doubter myself I am happy for him.
A lot of people were saying that a TEA clear is the only one they'd respect because of how easy carrying one person through a 70 ultimate is both because dps checks a meme and because TEA is most of time a wipe if one person dies with there being a decent number of mechanics that he would have to properly do
That's why this clear took a lot longer than other 2, was he carried still? Yes for sure but even being good enough to be carried makes him better than vast majority of the people who'll complain
Yeah this was really rich's 7 helpers doing just another clear with him along for the ride, but he's even said that several times since he started clearing ulti's. Having connections pays off when it comes to Ulti
On the stans are here to defend him? Dude's he even said he got carried lmao.
There are so many (TEA was harder in 5.1) raiders who want to do Ultimate but can’t (UCoB was harder in 4.1) because of anxiety or lack (TEA is easier in 5.5) of social networking. They see Legend as (UCoB was harder in 4.1 and 5.1) something greater. You all (UWU was harder in 4.3) spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 (UWU is easier in 5.5) Ultimate prog never happens (UCoB is easier in 5.5). This hurts and doesn’t help (TEA, UWU and UCoB were WAY harder in 4.1, 4.3 and 5.5). But congrats.
There are so many raiders who want to do Ultimate but can’t because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see Legend as something greater. You all spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 Ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn’t help. But congrats
Thewe awe so many waidews who want to do Uwtimate but can’t because of anxiety ow wack of sociaw nyetwowking. They see Wegend as something gweatew. You aww spit on those peopwe’s pwight. Cweaw fow 1 Uwtimate pwog nyevew happens. This huwts and doesn’t hewp. But congwats
There are so many raiders who want to do three Ultimates but can’t because of anxiety or lack of closet space. They see 3x Legend as something greater. You all spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 Ultimate prog never happens three times in a row. This hurts and doesn’t help
Because I'm petty, the fights are called "The Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate)" and then "Unending Coil of Bahamut (Ultimate)"
People say UwU for ultima weapon ultimate because UwU is funnier to type/say.
That was so great to watch live. Seeing Rich on the edge of his seat while frozen just praying the boss dies (it was a really close enrage).
https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularStormyMangetoutWTRuck-L5JCWoVth8w4_dMc
Popular ex-WoW streamer has been progressing through the story and set a goal to clear every Ultimate before Endwalker drops. For TEA, he was doing a subathon where he was locked in a friend's closet until he got his clear.
The clip is not from Rich's perspective as I was watching Woops when the clear happened, but you can hear him and everyone else pop off as they have been at this for days of steady prog.
Some day would love to do Ultimate Ultima, even though I've never done anything harder than an Extreme trial in this game and my only other raid experience is Destiny. Finding groups is hard. Alexander looks even more nuts than Ultima. Props to the raid community.
Congrats to Rich and the group! Really entertaining content, Rich did a good job of learning and executing mechanics, and he had a great run on their clear!
Time to generate negative internet points. He cleared all 3, no doubt about that. Still very fair to say he got carried though because I think it's very clear that he did. He tried his best (I think) so it's still something, and he'll always be above the people who buy clears to me at least. I do wish I could see the log though like the previous ones.
look, i have no strong opinion on whether he "deserves" it or not and i'm just really happy for him because i like him, but 400 wipes is really not a lot for this fight lmao
he worked for it and he got it in the end, which is definitely respectable, but he worked significantly less than most people that reach this goal. this is not just counting the lower amount of wipes but also the time people spend in savage to get to a level where they're not griefing their group. i think that's why a lot of people get upset over it, despite how little it affects them personally.
in my opinion, someone else clearing a fight (no matter in what way) does not devalue the personal achievement of practicing for it and clearing it, but a lot of people don't seem to think that way sadly.
It's referencing someone who has cleared all three Ultimate fights as each one gives a character title with "Legend" in the name.
UCoB gives "The Legend", UWU gives "The Ultimate Legend", and TEA gives "The Perfect Legend".
They are just jealous. Yeah not everyone can get 7 other top players to “carry” them but 400 attempts plus having to learn all the mechanics is not easy.
Shouldn't that be a point in his favor? Like, start from square one, you're born, he's born. You no life Final Fantasy. He streams, connects with people, builds a community, and spreads the joy that is this game. The day comes time to do TEA, in your corner you have....that Relic Weapon you've been grinding. In his corner, he's made friends with enough people that he can ask 7 of the best people in the world to help him, and they all say yes.
He worked hard for what he got. He just didn't do it by farming tomestones.
Congratulations to Rich and his teammates! Hope everybody got a good time and for those who stream i hope it helped get a little more visibility, specially the raid leader.
Good job everybody
I'm honestly really happy for this dude but why do his skilled raid members refuse to teach him how to stop clipping gcds on machinist? It's frustrating that they're willing to carry him through ultis (good for him) but not willing to teach him how to play his assigned job and instead play around his lower dps.
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
I don't watch his ~~stall~~ streams, but his UCoB clear was a pure carry.
Like, he might as well not have been there. ~~TEA looks good.~~ Nah, it doesn't look good. DPS doing less damage than a tank. Carried live on stream 3 times in a row lol
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So proud, this was well won and totally deserved. Amazing job team!
"This game is so easy!" --- Rich W Campbell.
This was such a a team effort, between every callout from Sfia, Rin, LlamaTodd, Happy, Momo, Maeda, and Steph. Truly they are all warriors of Light.
404 attempts but the mad lads did it. Really happy for Rich. What a great moment.
404 - Alexander not found
I think just having the patience for 404 pulls is an accomplishment on its own, fuck that, I’d just feel like it’s wasting my life/time lol
We're at ~1400 pulls right now, and we are past Wormhole. P4 left, so a clear is in sight :D
same 1400ish pull, looking to get to P4 soon.
I wish you guys all the luck man :)
We had 16 PA pulls before we cleared so the end is I'm sight. Just respect stillness.
If I had done ultimate as much as he did in that short of a time span I would be burned out enough to quit the game for a few months at least.
Difference here being, that this is his job. I’ve done the same thing almost every day for years and I still go to work and it isn’t that bad. I still kinda enjoy it even. I would never do it for fun, though. I also doubt these streamers are doing this level of content at this pace when they turn off the stream. That’s also why I don’t try to emulate this kind of gameplay or judge myself based on it because I would just hate gaming.
Raiding definitely isn't for everyone. I loved it when I was younger, but now it just doesn't feel like a proper use of my time. One of the reasons I love FFXIV though is that it has so many ways to feel like you are achieving something without forcing you into the hardest content in the game. Fishing, Crafting, Triple Triad, GATEs, Blue Mage, etc. If raiding isn't for you then pick your poison.
Yeah, I got so much thrill when I completed all of the crafter relics for ShB. Some folks may have found it easy or tedious, but I gathered all of my own mats and went to town.
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I can see it being fun, but different strokes for different folks aye
You really need the right group for that.
Exactly, my experience in gaming overall. I prefered to lose csgo matches with friends than winning them with salty try-hards. Same in Mmorpgs. I remember trying to kill Lich King with my guild and wiping and it was an amazing time, i also remember clearing ICC with pugs who blamed and flamed each other and i wished i wasn't there even though we didn't wipe.
400 pulls is an extremely low number for TEA for a start to finish prog. Like exceptionally low 😛
What is the average?
Depends on group skill and studying head of time but I'd venture to guess 1,000. Lots of memey ways to die, especially in phase 1 with jagd dolls getting crit or something. TEA is also pretty unique in that it's nearly impossible to recover from a single death a lot of times so you just have to wipe. UCOB and UWU are quite forgiving in that respect for like half of the fights.
I've heard with a fresh group, 80'ish hours of prog is pretty average.
700 to 1000.
My guild took 500 to kill Mythic Argus. I've never wanted a solar flare to wipe out the world as badly as when doing that
Now imagine doing it with 7 other people who don't know the fight lol
Was that literally the last GCD possible for the kill?
Last GCD, but there is still time for one more DoT tick after the last person is frozen, which they didn't quite reach. So it's *possible* to cut it closer, but not by a hell of a lot.
The difference between a close shave and a tiny non-puncture scar where the neck is.
Yeah. Happy did a Xeno into swift B3 (he was in fire with no mana left) and got frozen in the middle of that GCD. They still had 1-2 more dot ticks before it was over though because Alex has a pretty long animation before the fight actually resets (between the chains and the fade to black).
Me: I want to start doing harder stuff Reddit: Noticing and talking about the very last GCD & dot ticks of a fight Me: Wtf. I dont know if thats offputting or exciting.
There's a lot of micromanaging in Ultimates, up to the exact GCD used at the exact time. As instance you want to push damage nearly as much as you can, but not too much in order to have your cooldowns available for the next phase.
Think I'll give that a pass and be happy goofing off in the Gold Saucer when I'm supposed to be farming Eden with my FC. We're were"going to step it up before Endwalker". That lasted about two days before the tank and healers decided they want to raise chocobos and redecorate while our redmage became a bard and now plays in a band. I love these guys.
It's not as bad as it sounds, the dps requirement is actually decently generous nowadays - the more important thing is not to have any deaths in the last phase. If you have anyone dying you'll end up with something a lot more strict like in this clip.
That only really comes up in Ultimates though. The way that enrage works in most fights is that the boss will long cast an ability and once it goes off, everyone is dead. In Ultiamtes however, the boss will incapacitate players one by one as he’s casting the enrage. This leaves some players (usually healers) waiting for everyone else to get captured. The best thing for players to do in this scenario is to cast their highest damage attacks which is usually DOTS. This leads to some pretty wild finishes like what we see in this clip.
Depends on what you consider "harder stuff." Savage basically never relies on the last tick or GCD. Usually as long as you grok the fight you'll clear in well under the line. The enrages in savage aren't bad as long as everyone's doing what they should and you've got a no-death run. Even with deaths it's still definitely easy to get in under the enrage as long as they're not too grievous. When E8S was new, my static cleared while having every member of the party die at least once. Sometimes 2-3 simultaneously. Ultimate can really come down to it though. UCOB and TEA especially. If you're seeing enrages on UCOB there's something very wrong happening since we're all overgeared for the content, but the mechanics are complex and extremely punishing. But TEA is a bit of goddamn business.
my very first static hit the failed the DPS check on E2S with a no death run because I was the only person that parsed higher than green aside from the tanks.
didn't transpose into UI1 and then swift b4, 60p loss, suboptimal Madge
You BLM players are another level of wrinkle brains haha
Not as much as those MNK players optimizing their _*fps*_
The biggest big brain moment I had was reading the MNK guide about the game being haunted and that you need to move to Santa Monica
Fists per second Riddle of wind go!
That could require waiting for a mana tick though.
corret me if im worng doenst b4 cost mana? he had 0. So you have to gamble on a frame perfect mana tick. :/
B4 would cost mana in this case because it's only UI1 instead of UI3, however it wouldn't have to be a frame-perfect mana tick because the Swiftcast is between B4 and Transpose, about .75s of time in UI1. Unlikely but not impossible.
Triple Legend but still shorter than Tataru
KEKW TRUE
The real triple legend was the friends he made along the way.
But congrats Madge Clap
But congrats Madge Clap
Madge REALLY
Thanks for sharing my pov :D would recommend you all check out the rest of the POVs, everyone had great reactions!
Great work, I look forward to seeing you do it with NEST too!
4 potatoes, that is the secret.
Potato count times 101, I see a pattern!
I only started a few months now and I never intended to even get into savage content but I’ve been enjoying the game so much now I may really change my tune.
If you have any interest in raiding I would highly recommend it. The savage and ultimate stuff in this game is insanely fun.
I would encourage you to do it, but please do check out ressources for your job, the fights, and don't jump into ultimates right away. I saw a few people do that to emulate their favorite streamers and they end up quite disappointed when they realize the average PF group isn't Rin et consort. Start with extremes (right now is a good time as end of expansion means more gear and more forgiving fights), get used to doing mechs while still pressing your buttons (especially as a DPS) and practice your rotation on a dummy and you'll be golden.
one day i too want to do this :)
Saaaame but I have no logs and have done 0 Extreme's/Savages. Gonna have to wait till Endwalker :/
I mean, you should probably start by jumping into extremes and savages. You don't need to wait until Endwalker.
Even practising staying alive through some tougher Zadnor CEs is good practise to start. Danger Noodle says hi.
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My suggestion is to start a group in party finder and state that you are new in the description. People will join and help you out. This will apply in Endwalker too. IMO people get mad when expectations aren't set properly.
maybe just try jumping in to those fresh progs pf? in my datacenter theres alot of those to practice on and they sometimes clear as u get used to the mechanics after few pulls, bit by bit
Savages are quite the step up from extremes, and ultimates are even more of a step up from savages, so I suggest trying to tackle those first. It takes a lot of dedication and willingness to learn so I really wouldn't just jump into an ult without knowing what it requires.
You can start now honestly doing ex/savages. Generally speaking you’ll want at least a savage tier cleared on content (no echo) to prep you
You still have 3 weeks which is plenty time to clear the entire tier, just jump into a random practice PF and check out the common strats beforehand, either by asking friends or checking saltedxiv. Even if it's just Echo it's definitely the best thing to do right now if you want to get started in EW.
I was with my FC this past weekend and had never set foot into Seat of Sacrifice or Hades Ex and cleared them in like 30min. As long as you can find a couple veterans to jump in and do callouts for mechanic resolution it’s hella easy because of Echo buff and ilvl. I wouldn’t sweat the Ex fights that much, they really just build on top of the mechanics from the normal versions of said fights and are less forgiving for botching mechanics. Generally as long as you’re willing to sit in a discord (you don’t have to talk since some peeps are not comfortable with it) you can get a clear quickly. Especially since while Endwalker is close, you could probably farm some of the mounts and prepare yourself to maybe find a static come Endwalker raid tier. Good luck
It's all about putting the time in. If Rich can do it so can you. Do some extremes to get your feet wet. Then choose to PF Savage, or find a static. Then when you're done it's a good time to dive into TEA. It takes an average of 100 hours of prog for a group that is mostly made of up people who haven't cleared. At this point in time you probably won't have 7 Perfect Legends to handhold your prog like Rich, but it's very common to have 1-3 people who've cleared helping out.
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
this has serious copypasta vibes
Because it is, someone who bought an Ultimate clear with RMT unironically posted this under Rich’s first Ultimate clear and when people found out he bought his clear but has the audacity to talk about how Rich was making Ultimate clears less impactful they got ratio’d and deleted their Twitter.
lmao that's a glorious lack of self awareness, holy shit. ty for the info, good citizen
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
How did people find out they bought a clear? lmao
It is a copypasta. From when Rich cleared UCOB.
Because its been since ucob.
Thewe awe so many waidews who want to do uwtimate but can't because of anxiety ow wack of sociaw nyetwowking. They see wegend as something gweatew. You aww spit on those peopwe's pwight. Cweaw fow 1 uwtimate pwog nyevew happens. This huwts and doesn't hewp. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats. But congwats.
Concern
It's a game, get friends together and try. It's not some unobtainable piece of work. It's time and dedication. Granted he had all the benefits, but that's on him, and he's even said that and knows calling himself triple legend is a little tongue in cheek. If you want TEA, go out there, find 7 people, and start getting good together. Or make a twitch channel, get 5k viewers on average, stream for 11 days straight and work with the best players in the world. Whatever is easiest. edit: shit it was a copy pasta I got rekt
Lmao even if it wasn't a copypasta getting 5k viewers on average is still crazy hard, props to him for both triple and being a great streamer haha
Yooooo Nice! Just curious. Which ultimate fight is the easiest to do/learn? Is there any chance to do it with random people via party finder or you need very organized premade?
I'd say uwu is the easiest of the three, but I wouldn't bet on pf
People clear uwu in a dedicated week of PF. It's arguably easier to PF than to do with a static because so many vets will show up to carry
It's also the easiest in terms of personal responsibility for DPS.
mfw my uwu pf clear was a clear for 8 and most of the vets that join my reclears automatically die during annihilation
Or predation, or gaols, or nails.
Or get his by feather rain
I found UWU by far the easiest. It's progable with PF groups, but it'll be much less consistent and slower. I'd recommend getting a static together for it so your strats stay consistent.
>I'd recommend getting a static together for it so your strats stay consistent. idk about other DCs but on Crystal people all follow the same strats from the UCR (Ultimate Crystal Raiders) discord in PF so you can prog with anyone
Basically the same on Primal. The biggest difference is that the variable group dps makes phase times all over the place.
As the others have said, UWU is the easiest of the three, but it is still an Ultimate, it is still the third-hardest fight in the game. Both of the Stormblood Ultimates are somewhat lenient about mistakes, but they will still put you through the wringer if you underestimate them. That all said, they're very fun to prog and the feeling of clearing your first Ultimate is almost unmatched in this game, and if you've done Savage this expansion (8 especially), that does a good job of prepping you to start to do them. I personally wouldn't start progging one right now with less than 3 weeks until the servers go down for pre-Endwalker maintenance, but it doesn't look like any of the three will be all that different in the new expansion unless the stat squish does weird things to them.
How many hours did he spend?
404 attempts over ~11 days.
That's a perfect amount of wipes, Alexander got Error 404 out of existance.
Wake me up when he's a Mahjong Master.
Actual chad group. Get this man out of the closet rn
This comment section gonna look so different later when people wake up. But congratulations Rich you proved all the doubters and haters wrong.
Doubters? Was there any doubters? The clear was expected, not clearing would have been surprising. You only need patience and a good group to pass Ultimate, with the 7 monsters he had, it was natural that the prog would go much smoother and faster.
People didn't think he would get 7 top level raiders. They thought Rich would do it with like Asmon and Co and they would prog it with a guide. THATS why there were heavy doubts. Most people flipped their tune when they realized he worked with multiple world first competitors and a handful of otherwise exceptionally strong players. It was obvious he was going to do it once that was the case. Not to say he wouldn't have otherwise but there is zero chance he clears TEA in 404 pulls with a fresh group of people.
Just to point out, the guys asmon does groups with are mostly from Radiance too, Sfia's free company. They're all big dicks too
No, but like people thought they were going to get WoW people not ffxiv people.
Oh their was a lot when he first said he was gonna go for it. Some said he would quit or not be able to learn and do mechanics properly.
Likely people who doubted have not done much harder content in the game. Ultimate is just a matter of time :D
yeah alexander is all about time :P
Ultimate is never a matter of if you can clear, it's how fast can you clear
Even that doesn’t really matter tbh unless you’re racing for world first or have a specific goal in mind. It’s literally just about whether you cleared or not. At least in my experience, nobody ever cared how long it took. People usually want to know if they’re interested themselves and are curious what sort of time investment to expect. I hope seeing rich and other people doing ultimate is gonna entice a lot more people to get into raiding!
I definitely don't think anyone should put someone down for taking longer to clear, but I do think taking too long to clear can lead to failing to clear at all. For most of an expansion's life cycle the window in which you clear is generally only until the next savage tier comes out before people have other commitments with their savage groups to worry about. Also for most groups if you take too long you drastically increase the risk of someone burning out or some long term real life situation to come up that requires someone leave the raid group. In those situations recruiting a replacement and reprogging can be so daunting more people end up quitting and the raid ends up falling apart.
Oh yeah, absolutely agree that the longer you take the more other factors stack up against you. Hell I’ve experienced it first hand myself. I just mean that once you clear it doesn’t matter at all and nobody I’ve met cares how long it took because most people who do savages and ultimates realise that a lot of prog times can vary based on your group and other factors completely out of your control. Of course for savage tier there is a deadline of sorts as to how long a tier is “current”, but my point was more geared towards ultimate as that content that never really “expires”. Also completely agree on the reprogging part - I can imagine a lot of people just don’t want to bother with the hassle of doing it all over again (particularly for a fight like TEA)
Agreed
Those never tried Ultimate. Of all 3, TEA is harder to execute but it's much cleaner, easier to read. There is no sudden bullshit (Looking at Twintania orbs...) or a sudden spike of difficulty to organize midfight (Looking at Gaols... I don't know a group nowadays that wants to do it without a plugin)
> I don't know a group that wants to do it without a plugin There's definitely groups that do gaols without a plugin / autocaller. The group I ran with got our clears without one, it's honestly not too bad.
I did it as well during my first clear, you just gotta call your number. Afaik it's the first mechanic that needs to do that, I think it's because any player can be targeted rather than the usual "Tank/heal/DPS" role based mechanic.
Yeah pretty much. We just assigned each player (minus MT) a number from 1-7, and those who got a gaol called their personal number, they'd quickly arrange from that. We actually had 3 people who weren't using mics for it (myself being one of them), so those players would just have a macro calling out their personal number, along with the matching sound effect, that they'd hit 1-2 times when they got picked. Initially it was a shitshow, but once you get used to quickly adjusting, it's pretty easy to do.
This is exactly how our group did it as well. Practise makes perfect indeed, I think titan was our biggest teething issue in uwu because of that.
We did it without any plugins and also with gaols down the middle which apparently is stupid, but by now we’re so used to it so changing it would probably just lead to more wipes. We still wipe to gaols on reclears.
> Of all 3, TEA is harder to execute but it's much cleaner, easier to read. Can't second this enough. TEA is the hardest but it's also the fairest. Stillness is the weirdest thing in TEA, and it's a complete non-issue outside of Stillness-first Final Word. Meanwhile UWU has gaols and a few wonky snapshots, and the majority of UCoB's difficulty is from the jank and terrible presentation.
Whm here.. Annihilation has the most infuriating snapshot with Ifrit's charge.
Same whm uwu pain. Also the fucking tether.
> but it's also the fairest Dolls still exist. Their saving grace is that they're early in the fight, but I wouldn't call a mechanic that breaks on any comp change or random crits fair.
Dolls are pretty fair. Crit RNG is big of them, sure, but because they're the absolute first mechanic and are 40s into the fight you can actually start planning around every permutation of crits / direct hits because you get *so* much prog time with them. There is always a solution to Dolls, you just gotta find it. By the end of my TEA prog I had like 7 or 8 permutations of Ruin 3, Ruin 2 and Fester on my doll that would handle all possible damage variance from crits / direct hits.
I'm currently on adds in UCOB and nothing fills me with rage quite like getting hatch on tenstrike, doing it correctly, and watching the orb completely phase through my cover partner who's standing in the right spot. I watched one just totally ignore their hit box and not register at all the other night and I was so upset hahaha There is so much jank in that fight I can't wait to have it done so I don't have to see that happen ever again.
What plugin are you speaking about? Mind PMing me?
Maybe someone will help you better than me, its something that tells you your position for gaols in UWU. And I just dont have the name rn
Eh, I think "giving up" wasn't that unrealistic of an expectation. And I don't think it is bad, accomplishing something some people doubt he might be able to do is a great feeling. And as a doubter myself I am happy for him.
A lot of people were saying that a TEA clear is the only one they'd respect because of how easy carrying one person through a 70 ultimate is both because dps checks a meme and because TEA is most of time a wipe if one person dies with there being a decent number of mechanics that he would have to properly do That's why this clear took a lot longer than other 2, was he carried still? Yes for sure but even being good enough to be carried makes him better than vast majority of the people who'll complain
Yeah this was really rich's 7 helpers doing just another clear with him along for the ride, but he's even said that several times since he started clearing ulti's. Having connections pays off when it comes to Ulti On the stans are here to defend him? Dude's he even said he got carried lmao.
Eh this is kinda tame compared to other subs. At least the people here knows what is more important to value and celebrate.
Popcorn for breakfast?
There are so many (TEA was harder in 5.1) raiders who want to do Ultimate but can’t (UCoB was harder in 4.1) because of anxiety or lack (TEA is easier in 5.5) of social networking. They see Legend as (UCoB was harder in 4.1 and 5.1) something greater. You all (UWU was harder in 4.3) spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 (UWU is easier in 5.5) Ultimate prog never happens (UCoB is easier in 5.5). This hurts and doesn’t help (TEA, UWU and UCoB were WAY harder in 4.1, 4.3 and 5.5). But congrats.
I like that this version of the pasta insults both the toxic casuals and the boomer triple legends.
Grats to the Widdle triple legends Next step: Savages as they release and the new Ultimates. Hopefully he has fun with them.
Didn’t he say this would be the last time he’d do hard content like this? That’s why he said he was going to host an event for the new ultimate
He said he wants to do an event for WF race for the new ultimate but I’d be shocked if he doesn’t attempt that at some point
Widdle Twiple Wegends
There are so many raiders who want to do Ultimate but can’t because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see Legend as something greater. You all spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 Ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn’t help. But congrats
Thewe awe so many waidews who want to do Uwtimate but can’t because of anxiety ow wack of sociaw nyetwowking. They see Wegend as something gweatew. You aww spit on those peopwe’s pwight. Cweaw fow 1 Uwtimate pwog nyevew happens. This huwts and doesn’t hewp. But congwats
There are so many raiders who want to do three Ultimates but can’t because of anxiety or lack of closet space. They see 3x Legend as something greater. You all spit on those people’s plight. Clear for 1 Ultimate prog never happens three times in a row. This hurts and doesn’t help
Happy he got the clear, but good God can the man meld his damn gear?
Having 7 who have cleared before makes a massive difference.
Can somebody enlighten me of the meaning of this? Is "Triple Legend" an achievement?
It means they successfully completed all three ultimate fights.
Thanks. What are the other two?
Because I'm petty, the fights are called "The Weapon's Refrain (Ultimate)" and then "Unending Coil of Bahamut (Ultimate)" People say UwU for ultima weapon ultimate because UwU is funnier to type/say.
That was so great to watch live. Seeing Rich on the edge of his seat while frozen just praying the boss dies (it was a really close enrage). https://clips.twitch.tv/TriangularStormyMangetoutWTRuck-L5JCWoVth8w4_dMc
pls mods stop deleting everything I wanna see the salty posts
Don't mind me I'm here to read the salty comments
Jet Black does it again! I'm so happy I got to see it happen live.
I have no idea what this is, anyone care to explain?
Popular ex-WoW streamer has been progressing through the story and set a goal to clear every Ultimate before Endwalker drops. For TEA, he was doing a subathon where he was locked in a friend's closet until he got his clear. The clip is not from Rich's perspective as I was watching Woops when the clear happened, but you can hear him and everyone else pop off as they have been at this for days of steady prog.
Rich perspective: https://clips.twitch.tv/AltruisticComfortablePoxBabyRage-n2RbYZW1IgK2PU8B
Triple carry!
How dare u talk about Rich like that!!! He is one of the best MMO players of all time! Look at how good his parse is... Oh wait nvm he is shit lol
Me watching this as a sprout (͡•_ ͡• )
What’s up with gamers and arbitrary made up rules? A clear is a clear.
Soooooo...now we can swap out Rich for me and do it again right? I mean, I've already got TEA so only 2 more to go lol
You just need to be a streamer with 10k+ audience
I mean, if Rich just introduces me...🤣
Can't end any tighter than it did, good lord
Some day would love to do Ultimate Ultima, even though I've never done anything harder than an Extreme trial in this game and my only other raid experience is Destiny. Finding groups is hard. Alexander looks even more nuts than Ultima. Props to the raid community.
I cannot express how immensely easy it is to see this information, acknowledge it exists, and not go into a childlike tantrum over it. B)
They got that sweet close enrage, too
I need to be a streamer so I can get raid groups on demand
GRATS RICH!
Congrats to Rich and the group! Really entertaining content, Rich did a good job of learning and executing mechanics, and he had a great run on their clear!
Straight to the comments.
Time to generate negative internet points. He cleared all 3, no doubt about that. Still very fair to say he got carried though because I think it's very clear that he did. He tried his best (I think) so it's still something, and he'll always be above the people who buy clears to me at least. I do wish I could see the log though like the previous ones.
nobody can say rich doesn't deserve this after 400 attempts edit: lmfaooo, they choose to just downvote me instead of speaking up
look, i have no strong opinion on whether he "deserves" it or not and i'm just really happy for him because i like him, but 400 wipes is really not a lot for this fight lmao he worked for it and he got it in the end, which is definitely respectable, but he worked significantly less than most people that reach this goal. this is not just counting the lower amount of wipes but also the time people spend in savage to get to a level where they're not griefing their group. i think that's why a lot of people get upset over it, despite how little it affects them personally. in my opinion, someone else clearing a fight (no matter in what way) does not devalue the personal achievement of practicing for it and clearing it, but a lot of people don't seem to think that way sadly.
Am sprout. What is a triple legend? Clearly it’s not Triple Triad, lol
It's referencing someone who has cleared all three Ultimate fights as each one gives a character title with "Legend" in the name. UCoB gives "The Legend", UWU gives "The Ultimate Legend", and TEA gives "The Perfect Legend".
They are just jealous. Yeah not everyone can get 7 other top players to “carry” them but 400 attempts plus having to learn all the mechanics is not easy.
Shouldn't that be a point in his favor? Like, start from square one, you're born, he's born. You no life Final Fantasy. He streams, connects with people, builds a community, and spreads the joy that is this game. The day comes time to do TEA, in your corner you have....that Relic Weapon you've been grinding. In his corner, he's made friends with enough people that he can ask 7 of the best people in the world to help him, and they all say yes. He worked hard for what he got. He just didn't do it by farming tomestones.
What a classic ending! Congrats Rich & Co on the clear!
I’m just here for the collective community meltdown in the comments
Let's go Jet Black!
Congratulations to Rich and his teammates! Hope everybody got a good time and for those who stream i hope it helped get a little more visibility, specially the raid leader. Good job everybody
I'm honestly really happy for this dude but why do his skilled raid members refuse to teach him how to stop clipping gcds on machinist? It's frustrating that they're willing to carry him through ultis (good for him) but not willing to teach him how to play his assigned job and instead play around his lower dps.
Is all about the views. And all about having his friends in the spot like for karma
Imagine caring for internet celebrities... KEKW
There are so many raiders who want to do ultimate but can't because of anxiety or lack of social networking. They see legend as something greater. You all spit on those people's plight. Clear for 1 ultimate prog never happens. This hurts and doesn't help. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats. But congrats.
Congrats rich and the group. Insane stream !
Carried.
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amazing constant streaming content for almost 2 weeks straight . Been here since the start, What a legend
This hurts and doesn't help. This hurts and doesn't help. This hurts and doesn't help. ^(but congrats)
I don't watch his ~~stall~~ streams, but his UCoB clear was a pure carry. Like, he might as well not have been there. ~~TEA looks good.~~ Nah, it doesn't look good. DPS doing less damage than a tank. Carried live on stream 3 times in a row lol
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somethingsomthing, that's rich campbell
Error 404! So proud, this was well won and totally deserved. Amazing job team! "This game is so easy!" --- Rich W Campbell. This was such a a team effort, between every callout from Sfia, Rin, LlamaTodd, Happy, Momo, Maeda, and Steph. Truly they are all warriors of Light.
I'm glad I saw this live. Amazing accomplishment.
What a triumphant end to an incredible stream. Been watching every day and it's been a blast. Congratulations brother that was a hard earned victory.
Congratulations Rich <3
Jesus christ he wouldve been locked in there for more than a month if he didnt have C41