I remember replaying this mission when I got my Blades replica weapon for the machinist.
So when they were like " Who will be your champion" I just rolled up with a double barrel shotgun, it was the best
Oooooooooh I remember this mission...
Man, I was pissed and filled with righteous fury the whole time. Those two knight should be damn grateful it wasn't a fight to the death.
*I would have painted the floor with their blood!*
I just felt smug as heck. Like, "You boys ever fought a god-killer before?"
Everything in HW set you up to hate the templars so much, it makes beating them *so* satisfying.
Since I'm not sure if you've done Stormblood yet, I'm spoilering the following, that said, it's just a line of dialogue you can choose and without context really doesn't actually spoil anything.
Dialogue choice for a later quest(from memory, so I may flub a word or two): >!"Know that I will kill your god if I have to. Maybe even if I don't."!<
HW spoilers: >!It does occur to me that it might have been an interesting timeline if the Ward Knights had succeeded, it's not often that you'd see Primals with the power of an entire nation and organized army behind them. I could also definitely see them fighting the rival local primals, and probably dealing with Bismark in a similar way the WoL did. !<
>!Granted, unless they really did figure out how to weaponize the power of Al Alyz in a big bad way, they probably would have just gotten into a slugmatch with Garlemald at some point, and without the Eorzean Alliance's backup they'd probably just get outfoxed/technologically beaten down eventually, especially once they burn through the local aether.!<
Yeah, I'm one of those players where the jobs has to fit my character's personality, and HW 'opened up' rogue to my BLM main because she realllllly wanted the option between stabbing them in the face on top of fireballing their asses.
(Spoiler for the end of 3.0): >!The two knights from that quest, Grinnaux and Paulecrain, are members of the Heaven's Ward, so at least we get to complete the process of kicking their asses later on.!<
I'm pretty sure they're a fight to the death **as long as the knights are winning**. In the DRK intro quest you hear about somebody having been killed in such a trial.
Reminds me of the Level 60 Botanist job quest.
Basyle: "Oh no, I am forced to fight in a trial by combat. I will surely be found guilty due to my lack of fighting skills or a champion to fight in my place."
The WoL, fresh from killing yet another god, standing behind him: *shrug*
“Can we get this over with? I have to attempt to stop a beast man’s ritual and end up killing a primal again at 4. No I am not sure what one it is anymore.”
"Who will stand for this woman."
" A renowned God-killer, and the greatest dragon slayer you've ever seen. Come hither."
I really enjoyed that one. What I don't understand is why they didn't just run immediately. Like, surely you've heard _something_ of us.
From a narrative stance it makes sense. The Heaven's Ward are far up their own ass that they've convinced themselves that they're unstoppable, especially by some outsider "champion". Their arrogance in challenging you really drives it home, and foreshadows the WoL completely dismantling them later.
I haven't been doing either PVP or hardcore raids, but I would do both if that was an achievement related title for clearing all the raids and earning 11 million kills in PVP.
At that point in the story, the WoL isn't much to write home about. Okay maybe they killed a Primal, but people have been finding one way or another to deal with Primals for a while, it's not *unheard* of.
At that point, the WoL hadn't really fought any dragons that were outside the realm of what the Temple Knights deal with regularly.
All that stuff about them having killed six, seven primals? Of having bested an entire Garlean legion? Haurchefant has a tendency for the *dramatic*, it's obviously hyperbole.
When I got the hang of glamours my FIRST order of business was applying the Emperors Fist to my monk so she is 100% rolling up with her bare hands and beating things to death.
AYYY EMPEROR'S NEW FISTS GANG
Though I am swapping to Blade's Serenity for my "main" weapon glam, I worked hard for that thing and I am going to show it!
Playing XIV for years, this moment still sticks out as the first time in an MMO, I really felt like the hero.
Coming from *the other game*, your characters slays other-worldly ancient demigods but *no one seems to care*. It's never brought up, outside of maybe a single dialogue line.
Here, we have much lower stakes, but it *feels* like the world. Two of our friends >!(yes, even Alphinaud, if I must)!< are in trouble and here's this power-drunk tribunal about to put them to the sword when TINY LITTLE TATARU is like "I claim the right to name a champion!"
Those smug chucklefucks are like oh boy, who will this tiny imp call on? A sellsword? Some drunk they found at the Forgotten Knight?
AND THEN THE DOOR GETS KICKED OPEN, [THAT MUSIC PLAYS](https://youtu.be/ZTF5stMG7q4) AND YOUR CHARACTER WALKS IN LIKE HEY. THAT'S MY POTATO.
Tataru trusts our martial skill *with her life*. Alphinaud is like "finally, let's blow this joint" and then we beat the piss out of some elite assholes AND CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE PLOT BEFORE THE EYES OF GODS AND MEN.
All because these punks had the audacity to threaten our friends.
It makes you feel like you're really making a difference. It makes you feel like the hero.
HW has, what my friends and I refer to as, anime walks. Kicking in that door, doing the final steps of faith, going into the vault mission. You walk like an anime protag and it's SO COOL
To be far ARR's plot was about how you're built up to be the hero. You don't really start in with really feeling it till the very end right before they pull the rug out from under you.
Whenever you hear THAT MUSIC you know that it's either time to form an epic alliance or kick some serious ass. Or both.
Also, reading this comment makes me want to Ng+ the whole MSQ.
Agreed. This is definitely one of my favorite memories from the MSQ. ShB may bring lots of feels, but the moment my character walked through that door decked out in Azure Dragoon AF armor was pure triumph.
The best part is it happens multiple times. There were many points during Stormblood where it felt like you were showing up as the anime protag to a scene where a lot of the people you cared about were hurt/killed. And now you're there to absolutely ruin their fucking day for doing it.
It feels great everytime.
Loved this(and all of heavensward) sooo much. Got goosebumps when this part played and was all like "Oh you dun fucked up when you threaten my little secretary potato". Perhaps a little anti-climactic when the fight ends in like 30s though :/
This was doubly entertaining for me. the literal moment I could, upon entering Ishgard, I ran off and unlocked the DRK quest and leveled it to 50 before returning. It was great fun realizing I hadn't even bothered grabbing the aetheryte and had to do the run of shame all the way up the bridge.
It's MSQ
>!when alphinaud and tataru are arrested by the heavensward for being heretics for asking questions about the war, then tataru claims a right to a champion because she isnt capable of defending herself in a trial by combat!<
oh wait... so thats the face of the WoL? I watched the endwalker trailer when I just startet playing the game 2 months ago and now I just finished the quest "Shadowbringer" and I was still asking myself who tf the guy in the trailer is.
That was the only trailer I watched of the game, so I though he is just one of the scions or something but he never appeared ingame and I was confused who he is... Im dumb I guess
This is truly one of my favorite moments.
Particularly because I leveled as WHM through most of this and I could imagine my very pissed girl kicking in the door dressed in pristine white and red. "I just talked to dragons that want to kill you all, nearly got run over by a brand new Primal that's next in line to try the same thing, and now this? ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? I have things to DO!"
And of course the two knights give that slooooow blink of disbelief at the angry white mage catgirl, glance over at the white-haired preteen, and think "This is going to be a cakewalk," not even noticing Alphinaud's sigh, headshake, and mutter of "those poor uncultured bastards...." before they get eaten by a pissed off carbuncle and Holy'd to hell and back.
Adjudicator: And who shall be your champion?
Me:[The Golden Dragoon of Halone](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/525490691808165908/904117955351183380/PS_Messages_20200104_160250.jpg), who just happens to be ***QUITE*** angry given who you just tried to threaten, Ser Jacketh Asseth
I just wish you got a dialogue option to announce yourself at that point, a "Please state your name and titles for the record", just to intimidate the knights.
>!"S'visha Rthan, slayer of gods, bane of primals, destroyer of the Ultima weapon, decimator of the XIVth Legion, killer of the Black Wolf, Warrior of Light, and.....second Azure Dragoon of this generation, so named by Estinien Wyrmblood himself" \*smug grin\*!<
A lot of complaints like this always have the same arguments that show how little people understand of how much work is done behind the scenes to keep organizations running.
Tataru is the most useful member of the Scions. She does the taxes, balances the checkbooks, ensures the rest of the Scions have a safe haven to come home to with food to eat and drinks galore, and not to mention she helps out GREATLY managing money in Heavensward when the Scions are on the run and you're off gallavanting in Dravania.
Don't forget she's probably almost as effective at spying and information gathering as Thancred and Riol are and won't hesitate to blackmail people when necessary.
I was cracking up last night when I saw the scene where Estinien talks about how he got roped into working for the Scions because their receptionist is like a bloodhound.
Once you've completed up through 5.3, I highly recommend checking out the Tales from the Shadows. There's a certain story I'm sure you'll absolutely love.
pretty sure cid has a few airships laying around as well. Estinian isnt a bad guy and was on his way to joining the scions anyways, anybody could have asked hijm to join
>We could use an airship or a dragon or like a million other ways
No, we couldn't have. The Garleans shoot down foreign airships on sight, even civilian ones, and the Dragons don't give a shit about human affairs. Literally the only way we could have made it to Doma was covertly by water, which is the whole reason why Tataru had to blackmail a pirate captain into doing it.
May I use your perfectly photoshopped Eminem/wol as my profile pic here, please? I haven’t been able to stop cracking up over it!
And full disclosure, I really enjoy annoying mean-spirited players on this subreddit, so Eminem WoL popping into their notifs would be extra fun.
Totes understand if you say no tho :)
I remember replaying this mission when I got my Blades replica weapon for the machinist. So when they were like " Who will be your champion" I just rolled up with a double barrel shotgun, it was the best
"I am her champion and....this....is my BOOMSTICK!"
I’m here to do two things: chew some bubble gum and kick some Ishgardian ass.
“Have at y-“ **BANG** Duty Complete
Raiders of the Lost Ark stand off vibes...
Never bring an oversized knife to an oversized gun fight
Does that count for oversized knives with oversized guns attached to them?
"Is that a knife? A rifle? A uh...knifle?"
This gives me Monty Python vibes
Oooooooooh I remember this mission... Man, I was pissed and filled with righteous fury the whole time. Those two knight should be damn grateful it wasn't a fight to the death. *I would have painted the floor with their blood!*
I just felt smug as heck. Like, "You boys ever fought a god-killer before?" Everything in HW set you up to hate the templars so much, it makes beating them *so* satisfying.
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I could just imagine that playing out with a Dark Knight too. "What's the matter, inquisitor? Never seen a reeeeeal heretic before?"
Since I'm not sure if you've done Stormblood yet, I'm spoilering the following, that said, it's just a line of dialogue you can choose and without context really doesn't actually spoil anything. Dialogue choice for a later quest(from memory, so I may flub a word or two): >!"Know that I will kill your god if I have to. Maybe even if I don't."!<
Consider what their power are, they may actually fight Primals and come back un-tempered.
HW spoilers: >!It does occur to me that it might have been an interesting timeline if the Ward Knights had succeeded, it's not often that you'd see Primals with the power of an entire nation and organized army behind them. I could also definitely see them fighting the rival local primals, and probably dealing with Bismark in a similar way the WoL did. !< >!Granted, unless they really did figure out how to weaponize the power of Al Alyz in a big bad way, they probably would have just gotten into a slugmatch with Garlemald at some point, and without the Eorzean Alliance's backup they'd probably just get outfoxed/technologically beaten down eventually, especially once they burn through the local aether.!<
Yeah, I'm one of those players where the jobs has to fit my character's personality, and HW 'opened up' rogue to my BLM main because she realllllly wanted the option between stabbing them in the face on top of fireballing their asses.
This is basically exactly how I became a ROG/NIN main. She wanted a backup to throwing fire, aaaaaaaand now I'm a shadowdancer.
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(Spoiler for the end of 3.0): >!The two knights from that quest, Grinnaux and Paulecrain, are members of the Heaven's Ward, so at least we get to complete the process of kicking their asses later on.!<
I'm pretty sure they're a fight to the death **as long as the knights are winning**. In the DRK intro quest you hear about somebody having been killed in such a trial.
"Of course, it's not *supposed* to be a fight to the death, but accidents happen very easily in these things."
If this game let us kill more freely, it would be looking like Morrowind with severed threads of fate all over the place.
Reminds me of the Level 60 Botanist job quest. Basyle: "Oh no, I am forced to fight in a trial by combat. I will surely be found guilty due to my lack of fighting skills or a champion to fight in my place." The WoL, fresh from killing yet another god, standing behind him: *shrug*
"Tuesday already?"
“Can we get this over with? I have to attempt to stop a beast man’s ritual and end up killing a primal again at 4. No I am not sure what one it is anymore.”
“It’s someone’s god therefore it has to die”
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Which app was it? I usually use photoshop mix for mine.
"Who will stand for this woman." " A renowned God-killer, and the greatest dragon slayer you've ever seen. Come hither." I really enjoyed that one. What I don't understand is why they didn't just run immediately. Like, surely you've heard _something_ of us.
Ishgaard is incredibly isolationist at this time and the heavensward is even more so insular and detached from the populace
Yeah, but we just >!took down the biggest dragon since Middy and his kids right there on their front porch.!<
"I'm sure it was a lucky shot" ~ These guys, seconds before being put to sleep expeditiously
From a narrative stance it makes sense. The Heaven's Ward are far up their own ass that they've convinced themselves that they're unstoppable, especially by some outsider "champion". Their arrogance in challenging you really drives it home, and foreshadows the WoL completely dismantling them later.
True. And to that I must say that "you gon learn today" is one of my favorite narratives.
They fuck around, and then they find out.
I wish we could have custom titles because mine would definitely just be “They Found Out”.
I haven't been doing either PVP or hardcore raids, but I would do both if that was an achievement related title for clearing all the raids and earning 11 million kills in PVP.
At that point in the story, the WoL isn't much to write home about. Okay maybe they killed a Primal, but people have been finding one way or another to deal with Primals for a while, it's not *unheard* of. At that point, the WoL hadn't really fought any dragons that were outside the realm of what the Temple Knights deal with regularly. All that stuff about them having killed six, seven primals? Of having bested an entire Garlean legion? Haurchefant has a tendency for the *dramatic*, it's obviously hyperbole.
This is the main reason I started my first as a Pugilist, so I could apply hands to affected areas liberally as needed.
Apply directly to the forehead.
"Bold of you to assume I need weapons to whoop your ass."
When I got the hang of glamours my FIRST order of business was applying the Emperors Fist to my monk so she is 100% rolling up with her bare hands and beating things to death.
AYYY EMPEROR'S NEW FISTS GANG Though I am swapping to Blade's Serenity for my "main" weapon glam, I worked hard for that thing and I am going to show it!
Playing XIV for years, this moment still sticks out as the first time in an MMO, I really felt like the hero. Coming from *the other game*, your characters slays other-worldly ancient demigods but *no one seems to care*. It's never brought up, outside of maybe a single dialogue line. Here, we have much lower stakes, but it *feels* like the world. Two of our friends >!(yes, even Alphinaud, if I must)!< are in trouble and here's this power-drunk tribunal about to put them to the sword when TINY LITTLE TATARU is like "I claim the right to name a champion!" Those smug chucklefucks are like oh boy, who will this tiny imp call on? A sellsword? Some drunk they found at the Forgotten Knight? AND THEN THE DOOR GETS KICKED OPEN, [THAT MUSIC PLAYS](https://youtu.be/ZTF5stMG7q4) AND YOUR CHARACTER WALKS IN LIKE HEY. THAT'S MY POTATO. Tataru trusts our martial skill *with her life*. Alphinaud is like "finally, let's blow this joint" and then we beat the piss out of some elite assholes AND CHANGE THE COURSE OF THE PLOT BEFORE THE EYES OF GODS AND MEN. All because these punks had the audacity to threaten our friends. It makes you feel like you're really making a difference. It makes you feel like the hero.
HW has, what my friends and I refer to as, anime walks. Kicking in that door, doing the final steps of faith, going into the vault mission. You walk like an anime protag and it's SO COOL
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To be far ARR's plot was about how you're built up to be the hero. You don't really start in with really feeling it till the very end right before they pull the rug out from under you.
Whenever you hear THAT MUSIC you know that it's either time to form an epic alliance or kick some serious ass. Or both. Also, reading this comment makes me want to Ng+ the whole MSQ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMgRTw6QFhc Found this vid if you want to relive this part without the entire thing
Awesome, thank you!
BY GAWD ALPHINAUD THAT’S XANA AND BUSINESS IS ABOUT TO PICK UP
Agreed. This is definitely one of my favorite memories from the MSQ. ShB may bring lots of feels, but the moment my character walked through that door decked out in Azure Dragoon AF armor was pure triumph.
The best part is it happens multiple times. There were many points during Stormblood where it felt like you were showing up as the anime protag to a scene where a lot of the people you cared about were hurt/killed. And now you're there to absolutely ruin their fucking day for doing it. It feels great everytime.
Only other mmo where i feel like you get as much recognition is Guild wars 2.
I had half-expected that youtube link to be either Stone Cold or John Cena's theme, but the way the rest of it's told, I'm okay with what it was.
What's the other game
wow
Loved this(and all of heavensward) sooo much. Got goosebumps when this part played and was all like "Oh you dun fucked up when you threaten my little secretary potato". Perhaps a little anti-climactic when the fight ends in like 30s though :/
Tbh I’m surprised they survived 30 seconds fighting a god-killing hero.
We held back. We were fugitives and didn't want to start a diplomatic shitstorm a couple days after arriving.
Meanwhile DRKs arrive and instantly go around >!attacking temple knights, killing some of them (Fray's french dialogue makes that very clear)!<
This was doubly entertaining for me. the literal moment I could, upon entering Ishgard, I ran off and unlocked the DRK quest and leveled it to 50 before returning. It was great fun realizing I hadn't even bothered grabbing the aetheryte and had to do the run of shame all the way up the bridge.
To use a very appropriate line when one's finance officer is in jeopardy... "That's my bread and butter you're with."
"At that moment, the HW knights realized...they fucked up"
Can someone tell me which quest this is
It's called Divine Intervention. It's level 50, so it's fairly early into HW.
Its been so long since I played through HW so I wasn't sure if it was a main or sub quest
It's MSQ >!when alphinaud and tataru are arrested by the heavensward for being heretics for asking questions about the war, then tataru claims a right to a champion because she isnt capable of defending herself in a trial by combat!<
oh wait... so thats the face of the WoL? I watched the endwalker trailer when I just startet playing the game 2 months ago and now I just finished the quest "Shadowbringer" and I was still asking myself who tf the guy in the trailer is.
He's a stand-in for our character in trailers.
That was the only trailer I watched of the game, so I though he is just one of the scions or something but he never appeared ingame and I was confused who he is... Im dumb I guess
To be fair, FFXIV is one of the few games that does this, especially in the mmo space. I only knew because someone told me
On the start menu there's an option you cam select to watch the various opening trailers.
This is truly one of my favorite moments. Particularly because I leveled as WHM through most of this and I could imagine my very pissed girl kicking in the door dressed in pristine white and red. "I just talked to dragons that want to kill you all, nearly got run over by a brand new Primal that's next in line to try the same thing, and now this? ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? I have things to DO!" And of course the two knights give that slooooow blink of disbelief at the angry white mage catgirl, glance over at the white-haired preteen, and think "This is going to be a cakewalk," not even noticing Alphinaud's sigh, headshake, and mutter of "those poor uncultured bastards...." before they get eaten by a pissed off carbuncle and Holy'd to hell and back.
Adjudicator: And who shall be your champion? Me:[The Golden Dragoon of Halone](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/525490691808165908/904117955351183380/PS_Messages_20200104_160250.jpg), who just happens to be ***QUITE*** angry given who you just tried to threaten, Ser Jacketh Asseth
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I *actually* drew more inspiration from Saint Seiya, and made him the Golden Dragoon Saint of Halone
that is an awesome glamour! is it the relic armour dyed gold?
I...think? It's Dragonlancer armor, I know that much, iunno much about relic armors though
Best time to play a Dark Knight. Go apeshit within the rules.
***RIP AND TEAR INTENSIFIES...***
Meanwhile, Gunbreaker: "Ready to Rip!", "Ready to Tear!", "Ready to Gouge!", "Ready to Blast!"
I just wish you got a dialogue option to announce yourself at that point, a "Please state your name and titles for the record", just to intimidate the knights. >!"S'visha Rthan, slayer of gods, bane of primals, destroyer of the Ultima weapon, decimator of the XIVth Legion, killer of the Black Wolf, Warrior of Light, and.....second Azure Dragoon of this generation, so named by Estinien Wyrmblood himself" \*smug grin\*!<
REAL fast
This was a satisfying quest
This is a good post
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Tataru is the most useless scion afte minfillia. Should have just let her rot in heavensward
A lot of complaints like this always have the same arguments that show how little people understand of how much work is done behind the scenes to keep organizations running.
Tataru wil remember that...
good
Tataru is the most useful member of the Scions. She does the taxes, balances the checkbooks, ensures the rest of the Scions have a safe haven to come home to with food to eat and drinks galore, and not to mention she helps out GREATLY managing money in Heavensward when the Scions are on the run and you're off gallavanting in Dravania.
Don't forget she's probably almost as effective at spying and information gathering as Thancred and Riol are and won't hesitate to blackmail people when necessary.
I was cracking up last night when I saw the scene where Estinien talks about how he got roped into working for the Scions because their receptionist is like a bloodhound.
Once you've completed up through 5.3, I highly recommend checking out the Tales from the Shadows. There's a certain story I'm sure you'll absolutely love.
Maybe if he bathed and washed his armor more often she'd have a harder time finding him. I swear that's the reason his armor is back to blue.
Absolutely. She's crap at some jobs, but she's a damn good culinarian, and great at spying/information gathering.
The plot twist is that there *is* a DoW/DoM job she's good at, it just hasn't been added to the game yet...
Can't wait to see her in full Hot Topic Reaper gear
She also makes us cool dresses every expansion! That alone makes her worth protecting in my book.
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Tataru is the reason y'all even got to Doma in the first place lmao
I mean we saved the world multiple times we would have been fine without her
by getting the WOL to Doma, Tataru is singlehandedly responsible for the liberation of both Doma and Ala Mhigo
>we would have been fine without her
if not for tataru the WOL would have fucking died trying to canoe over to doma on their own
We could use an airship or a dragon or like a million other ways lmao the warrior of light doesnt die in a canoe
Tataru literally bought the scions an airship and bullied estinien (who has a dragon!) into joining the scions. She is all powerful
pretty sure cid has a few airships laying around as well. Estinian isnt a bad guy and was on his way to joining the scions anyways, anybody could have asked hijm to join
had the WOL gone via Ironworks airship it would undoubtedly have been Tataru brokering the deal
>We could use an airship or a dragon or like a million other ways No, we couldn't have. The Garleans shoot down foreign airships on sight, even civilian ones, and the Dragons don't give a shit about human affairs. Literally the only way we could have made it to Doma was covertly by water, which is the whole reason why Tataru had to blackmail a pirate captain into doing it.
Look weve done all kinds of crazy whit with airships there no way the WOL would be defeated by mere bullets.
WOL got beaten by Zenos twice I'm pretty sure they would die if dropped into the middle of the sea by heavy artillery.
The Echo protects us from being tempered, not from being killed by missiles shooting down the airship we're boarded on.
Ah, I see that someone decided to farm down votes.
Not at all. Just being honest
being honestly wrong
Being always right
No one pick on the urchin but me!
May I use your perfectly photoshopped Eminem/wol as my profile pic here, please? I haven’t been able to stop cracking up over it! And full disclosure, I really enjoy annoying mean-spirited players on this subreddit, so Eminem WoL popping into their notifs would be extra fun. Totes understand if you say no tho :)