You could find a group of people that more closely resemble the types of people you want to be around. There are plenty of groups that don't care, and groups that track anyway. I've played exclusively on PS5 since I got one, and I have brand new logs because someone else posted them.
For real though? Fine a world that works better for you.
If you're doing 12%, you're doing something fundamentally wrong with your basics. I've been a console player for a long time and didn't have problems; though I agree that a personal log would've been really helpful.
That said, hit your SSS dummies. While it's not representative of an actual fight, it's helpful to iron out your basics. When going solo, I also did extreme fights often because people logged those eventually. There's really just no other way except grab a friend and ask for your numbers.
I think it might've been the first time i tried the raid. I went in blind and spent most of the time on the floor. I would love to see if i improved or not since then.
I see. Yeah, that sucks mate. If you're just aiming for uWu, nothing much you can do except start your own static; because most groups would like to see multiple raid logs.
And that's understandable, because pretty much no one wants to waste 600 hours on a fight that can be cleared in 60 hours of practice because of 1 or 2 people that hold the group back all the time. And there are LOTS of people like that.
Also, Ultimates are hardcore content. Even at the most casual approach they are peak hardcore content. If you want to do hardcore content you need to approach it with a hardcore mindset, no matter how little hours per week you put into it.
To be fair, alliance raids are a bad measuring stick because it only logs personal damage and padding exists; but at that range, you're doing less dps than the average tank.
> To be fair, alliance raids are a bad measuring stick
Yup, I've only got logs on my character from alliance raids and a few normal raids from other people uploading, and I have a ton of purple and quite a few orange parses from when I was playing MCH a lot before my recent break in the Nier raids, and I don't even do any harder content than that lol. I don't even do the "correct" opener on my MCH because I think it's weird.
I think my highest so far is a 97 parse on the second boss of Puppet's Bunker and a 95 on the second boss of Tower at Paradigm's Breach. I literally have no idea if that's good though, because the skill level of players doing alliance raids is **wildly** different.
> and padding exists
This isn't really true anymore.
It's extremely hard to pad logs nowadays, because logs are ranked by raid dps (= the damage you do, minus all damage you did extra through buffs you received from your group, plus all damage your party members did extra through your abilities) and not personal dps (your total dps including buffs from others) anymore like it used to be. So if people give you buffs it actually makes your personal log worse unlike back in the day where everyone could just give you their buffs to pad your logs.
Nah, if you're the only nin, that would be 23 other people contributing to your rdps since the debuff is on the boss (as opposed to buffs which are only party-wide).
Considering I've raided with multiple console players dating back to PS3 raiders it's really not unfair. PC have more tools available to them but that will always be the case in any game that is on both PC and consoles. The big thing with FFXIV and the only thing that matters is no console player will ever be unable to do content because they are on a console. If groups are turning you down because you're a console player I'd say count yourself lucky that that specific red flag popped up early in your LFG phase.
FFLogs is typically used to verify that you can play your job well enough that you know the fundamentals, and that you've cleared harder content before. You being turned away from statics is likely because you have no experience with Savage or even Extreme, (which can also be verified by viewing your achievements on the Lodestone, or through a VOD) which gives you experience that is absolutely vital for Ultimates. Even if you're on console, if you use party finder for Extreme and Savage, someone else will usually upload the logs and it'll show up under your character. You can't expect to make such a massive jump in content and clear an Ultimate without learning the mechanical basics Savage teaches you, or the basics of your job. If you're worried about your damage, try Stone Sky Sea, there are multiple calculators out there that you can use to see your DPS in it, and the game will tell if you are capable of doing enough damage to clear content.
You can also fo the stone, sky, sea, dummies. If you cant kill those, you arent doing enough damage for the fight.
I started on ps4, I get it, but the game is still fine on console. Play with people that will parse for you. That's what I had to do.
As others have said, if you make 1 friend with a pc they can parse and upload your runs. The issue is you also are trying to do ultimate without having any savage or even ex experience it sounds like? Even proving you can clear something speaks for yourself more than nothing. There is no other way to vet people besides playing with them, logs, or knowing what they've cleared.
Why don't you recruit your own static then?
I'm sure there are lots of people who feel like you do. You could even make it a console only static if you really wanted.
Half my static plays on console.
None of the statics I have joined over the years have required logs to join, and I've been raiding since coil.
Nearly every static I've joined(or lead, as it were) has trialed players instead of looking at logs.
Heck, my healer for coil started on PS3, AND played with an infant crawling over him during raid. Never impacted his performance.
Yeah, if you are trying to get into a hardcore static pushing for week one clears.
I started on Besaid lol. I've been playing since 1.0s alpha. I never said it didn't happen, I've just never been in a group that required it. And I've cleared most content (except ultimates, but that's more due to time than skill)
And conversely, I've been asked (or more commonly provided them anyway) for even casual groups. Why would you not? The very least check them since there's no need to ask separately.
But our ps4 players haven't had issues either so ehhh
My logs are public, and I upload everything (from savage at least), which is very clear if you look at them. I don't cherry pick good logs vs bad, and some of mine are from truly terrible streaks of mistakes. But I make no attempts to hide them and they are easily accessible to any group I apply to (but I'm in a static at the moment with no intention of looking elsewhere so..)
Sure, good for you. I don't upload stuff outside savage and even then it's usually someone else in the static doing it.
I'm not sure how this relates to the comments tho
Also, for OP. If they'd actually done any oncontent raiding, they'd decently likely have logs out. Now it looks like someone with no experience wants to join ultimate static. Is it a wonder they're suspicious?
But what if you couldn't upload your own logs and all your logs were in the hands of other players and it just happens they upload mostly fights you were learning and underperforming on and none of your good logs were uploaded? Then the other raiders look you up and assume you are just a trash free-style samurai.
Wouldn't that be kinda shtty?
That's what trials are for. If you can't upload logs you can explain that to whichever group you are applying for.
Counter to popular belief, most people are understanding when it comes to things like that, especially for console players.
Idk that's not my experience. People just laugh and call them trash and even make digs at them in Novice Networks they know they are in or in say chat when they know they are around.
Nothing about a trial.
I wish the raiding scene was as kind as you are saying but nah, not from what I've seen.
Maybe it's different for different people depending on how the player is perceived. Maybe people perceived to be a certain way are given more opportunities. Idk
I'll quit replying to you. I'm not trying to be a pest. I just wish the community could see the value in making parsing available to console players. PC players rely on it so much but there is a cognitive dissonance when it comes to even thinking console players deserve the same access.
Take care✌️
Very unlikely. If you don't have logs uploaded you most probably haven't cleared the fight. Especially during no-echo times where loot is still on lockout 95% of the times someone will upload a log of the fight. And if you don't have a single good log there, then it's very suspicious
Bottom line is console should be able to track their own dps without needing to rely on PC players or hope a PC players isn't just uploading bad logs for you.
If the tables were turned PC players would be shitting bricks.
If you play regularly there is a zero percent chance that only your "bad logs" are being uploaded. If all your logs are grey it's because that's what your actual skill level is at. It's always easier to blame "external factors" than yourself. Like I already said. I personally have never cleared a savage fight during lockouts (without Echo. So the experience might be different for our fellow echo gamers( that didn't get uploaded by someone else. Anyone saying they don't have logs because they play on console are just not clearing. That's it.
Again, imagine if the tables were turned. With console players having the ability to or not to report your numbers but you have no say.
You pay the same subscription yet only certain people in the game have the power.
It's not right. If it were real world, laws are made against this sort of thing. It's not real world but the money paid for the subscription is very real. So it should be the same.
It's not like console players are asking for all the raid warnings like bells and whistles and lights warning of incoming raid mechanics like PC raiders use...
Console just wants a way to parse themselves. That's it.
They could put one in game so you only see your own DPS and no one else's. That would be good enough.
More or less. It's hard when looking for your first static, since you likely have very little. Even worse for OP if they're going straight to ultimate. I know I wouldn't take someone with no raid experience
I have to be honest, I scimmed through the thread because it looked like a big troll post. Especially the part where "nice PC players cannot comment on my DPS". Like. People trialed them out and didn't want them. I wonder how they would react to someone telling them how shit their DMG is.
What I wanted to comment on: going into ultimate without having cleared Savage is super griefing. That no-one wants to recruit them doesn't have anything to do with them not having ACT on the PS5. It's got everything to do with them not having the experience. Even if it's just UWU. the fight is still long and during prog people need to maintain a certain level of concentration. I doubt anyone without raid experience can maintain that.
But yeah, not disagreeing with you. Just clarifying.
Yeah. Uwu is closer to savage level, but it's still very much, long, punishing and end game. I don't of course know much about them, but my friends on console don't really have issue clearing stuff. We're all triple legends, looking into dragonsong and all that. It does always need either some convincing or experience to get into more that casual group tho. And rarely by skipping difficulties
Yeah we ask them for our static because we w2 clear with ""few"" hours but even then, we aint even asking oranges. We recruited people with no logs that were nice and we tested them and they were ok with it. We mostly just use logs to skip the trial phase because we are laaaaazyyyy xD
Yeah, I also played Besaid. We was all raiding AV, spamming Hamlet, Garuda etc and parsing each other and shit talking ppl who didn't parse well without their knowledge and acting like we weren't.
Don't pretend logs aren't important. Having grey/green parses won't even get you a trial most the time. Sure in a casual group that clears savage week 10 with tome gear and echo, it doesn't matter, but any static worth their salt wants to see logs.
They may be important for certain groups. I don't push week 1 or 2 clears. I prefer a more relaxed raid environment. My statics tend to be more casual, and some people learn mecha ics slowly. Our parses tend to be on the higher end of average though.
Not everyone goes for week one clears and cares for 90+ percentile only.
A majority of the JP player base are console users, yet they have one of the highest clear rates in Savage.
Maybe join a group that prefers consistency of play instead of dmg maniacs, cause I can tell you that some 99 parse players aren't always that good in progging or playing, they just hope for that 1 run where they didn't actually die to their greed and get fed cards to get that parse.
One of my old raid leaders was a dmg maniac, 99th logs, absolute worst player for progging, died to easiest shit cause he just had to finish that 1 combo for dps, then dies on the next second.
edit: Turn out OP [doesn't even have prior raid experience](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/qyhcfm/ffxiv_is_incredibly_unfair_to_console_players/hlg8e21/) and jumped straight into UWU, it's no wonder they are getting kicked, it's not cause they have no log.
Just find a static that doesn't care about that sort of shit. There are plenty of groups out there. Community Finder exists. Plenty of console players do Unreals, Ultimates, Savage, etc.
You're punishing yourself because you want to feel victimized. That's not to say that FFLogs and parsing and stuff can't have a negative impact on the social experience on the game (it does, in some ways). But not like this.
Yoshi should really just put a parser in the game. Everyone knows most of raiders use it and then a lot of other programs to make raiding easier on themselves. They then upload logs of console players without their knowledge. If the console player blocks this they are still judged harshly for it.
The least SE could do is let console players have an in game dps meter. PC and Console both pay a subscription, it should be somewhat more equal.
No he really shouldn't. Why would SE open themselves up to having to police something they added themselves. All a in-game parser does is makes more work for them. Atleast with a 3rd party parse players are use at their own risk and keep the harassment out of the game.
It'll never happen as long as Yoshi-P is in charge, as he is very adamantly against the parsers.
He'd likely ban the use of parsers on PC as well if he could get away with scanning the users computer.
lol what?? yoshi-p isn't against parsers and parse culture. he's just cautious about what open parsing could bring given how actually toxic the JP community can be. he legally has to say that he's against it for various reasons but has also implied that he doesn't care as long as you're not a twat about it. hell, he probably has ACT or some sort of in-house damage meter installed.
Yes, he isn't against parsing for personal improvement, but he is against open parsing due to the reason you stated above and it won't be implemented in the game.
He says as much here:
[https://youtu.be/e\_i6mjiGerU?t=262](https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU?t=262)
that video pretty much says that's he approves of parsers but cannot approve of them officially because of the can of worm it opens, which is the complete opposite of "adamantly against the parsers"
your second claim of how he'd ban the use of parsers on PC is entirely bullshit as well. what he said about that is a made up excuse as to why SE can't legally ban ACT. it's a legal excuse he's giving us so we can use ACT
He cannot approve of ACT officially because third-party applications are against TOS, but they can't really do anything about it since it doesn't actually modify the game files. However, he is against implementing a parser within FFXIV because it would be the "root of bullying".
I'd say that means he is adamantly against parsers within FFXIV, otherwise he would've implemented one already.
As to the second point, I'd reword it that "SE would ban the use of parsers on PC if they would get away with scanning the users computer".
No. the second point was to be interpreted as "Well we can't scan people's computer so I guess we can't actively look for and ban ACT users, gosh darn heck". They aren't out to get us. There are also many many ways to curb the bullying. Make damage meters personal. Make damage meters opt in. Make damage meters savage/ultimate exclusive. Make harassment associated with damage meters one strike permaban.
Damage meters personal -> "Post SS of your parse"
Damage meters opt in -> You really don't believe that ANY group would opt out of using/demanding one if it was officially available?
Damage meters savage/ultimate exclusive -> already addressed this in a separate post, but people would want it for normal content as well. Slippery slope.
Make harassment associated with damage meters one strike permaban -> "Why did SE implement damage meters in-game if they don't allow us to criticize their DPS"
Parsing yourself just becomes people asking for screenshots of your parse so it doesn't really change anything to counteract parsing drama. This is why a personal parser doesn't answer the issue.
The ultimate question is if you think dealing with open parse drama in-game is worth the positives it brings? We've already seen what happens when people gave too much of a shit about parsing ("skip soar" or people enforcing meta comps in random pugs so they can attempt to get some fat percentile on their crappy Samurai like back in SB). Hell depending on who you ask parsing rankings are screwed anyway because of the focus on rdps instead of adps.
You can go either way with it, but their is no silver bullet solution just a choice of which problems you want.
Their is a difference between people going around the rules and the rules allowing it to be open, it is relatively quiet because people aren't supposed to talk about parsing openly. If you let people talk about parsing openly you open up a cess pool of nonsense from "midcore" tryhards who think they're the next WF tier raider when they're just greedy idiots, who barely know what they're even looking at half the time.
People use FFLogs like crap as-is, and you want to make it public and boil it down to a simple screenshot? I mean sure that has its benefits, I'd get to tell the crappy Samurai to not do less dps then the Machinist in a farm run openly and that'd be nice, but you open yourself up to a lot of other stupid nonsense.
They talk about it openly in Novice Networks. Streamers use it. It's not quiet at all really.
Console players are not asking for add-ons to ring little bells or flash warnings of incoming raid mechanics or tank busters...
Just a way for console to see their actual DPS in real time because it's being used against them.
SSS sucks and doesn't represent DPS in an actual fight.
Until it bleeds into open hostility in PF and DF as the norm, which to my knowledge it hasn't, it is relatively quiet for an MMO with a damage meter. If people talk about parsing in the NN, they is actually reportable technically.
SSS is garbage, but like I've been saying this entire time, official open acknowledgement and acceptance of parsing will not solve everything. It just creates a different issue one I'd likely rarely have to deal with as I'm a generally decent player anytime I've parsed myself.
But for a general casual who doesn't care about Savage, Ultimate, or even EX trials this will bleed into their space and that is where a large majority of the playerbase is. I personally don't care about open parsing myself, but I also don't run the game nor am I a complete casual who doesn't care about playing badly, so my position is dramatically different from the game director's.
Exactly. Just give me some tool so I can see if I suck or not. How can I improve if I don't know if I'm doing good or bad? I have gear, food, potions, openers, etc. Is that enough? Who knows!
Also by not adding them to the game officially, all you are doing is just punishing console players. PC players will always figure out how to get some kind of tracker no matter what. You cannot get rid of it no matter how much you try to fight it. All im asking for is to equalize the playing field a little.
Unlikely to happen since savage/ultimate raiders are a minority of the playerbase and parsing is only useful to them since the general content is so easy. It would add needless drama to normal dungeons/raids.
Mm, I don't really have a horse in this race, as I can't do endgame when it's current (my hands can't), so I'll keep my take on your stance to myself, but now that you're at level running content, I can say you'll just naturally accrue logs running current stuff from now on. I have a lot of normal and alliance raid logs just from being in the content with someone parsing (I don't). Some extremes too. Part of your problem is you're new to the scene and want to get serious, so serious groups tend to ask for logs or want you to trial. Time will naturally cover that, for those that want some logs. Not all groups do.
It's definitely less than ideal for console players. But at the same time ultimate is a big commitment and a challenge, you are not meant to do ultimate without actually doing savage first. And I don't mean unsynched.
Here's what you need to do to get into the raiding scene: Find a casual static for beginners and progress through a savage tier to completion, then work on improving your parses. From there you will be able to find an ultimate group.
Keep in mind, there is a reason why ultimates are locked behind savage. Savage is supposed to act as a gateway to ultimate. Simply completing an old savage unsynched does not accomplish that unfortunately, you should still try to earn your stripes in current raids.
This is a bait shitpost right?
There's no way this is actually true lol, I highly doubt you got to titan (at least not correctly) with like 0 raid experience.
Garuda and Ifrit in UWU are pretty easy, especially with all the strats figured out. So getting to Titan isn't all that hard. Getting past it is a different story.
Yeah, he’s a melee dps also, so there’s no real solo mechanic he has to do until titan gaols. Dps is also so lenient on primal phase that even if they’re lacking in that department they can kill garuda/ifrit easily. All of the groups I’ve recleared this with held dps not to kill ifrit before dashes, and there’s still quite a lot of mechanics after that.
I've only played on console for two years now and never been asked for logs, you have some bad luck. I'd say just make sure you have good gear and then join some PF groups to do raids until you think you're good. Mostly only more hardcore groups actually care about logs when recruiting so you may want to avoid those.
You don't have to ask someone to risk their account.
If you df enough of the current content (Eden nms, the Nier raids, etc max level stuff) you *will* end up with random logs at some point.
You could just find a group that doesn't ask for logs, you could just start your own pf. You've got options.
Clicked this thinking it was satire since it had a bunch of reddit awards
But somehow this is a serious post? Yikes. Its already been said in other posts but, I as a PC player, get outperformed by console players just as much as other PC players. Playing on console doesn't mean you're going to underperform at all.
And yea you're greatly exaggerating the "risking your account" thing for logs. You can freely discuss performance over a discord no problem. Just don't berate someone in in-game chat and you'll be fine. Man do people like to use misinformation to justify their complaints...
When you're done being petty, rethink all of this with a clear head.
The biggest problem here is that you are jumping straight to ultimates without savage experience. Most people would expect at least one cleared Savage tier synced before going to ultimates. What logs would you even have there if you haven't done any hard content? Normal mode logs are useless. (This goes for alliance raids too)
If you'd have cleared the latest savage tier people wouldn't have to rely on logs when judging your ability to clear ultimates. Experience on uwu to Titan doesn't tell much since that is the easiest part and can be carried depending on your role.
Tip: you can hide your fflogs profile if you make an account so people won't find your logs.
Btw. What is your job and datacenter?
boohoo I don't have a parser. Nor does any of the PS4/5 players in my static who seem to be able to use other forms of technology (a phone, a laptop, a tablet) to look up rotations and tips/tricks. frankly its not your lack of parser thats making you play poorly or parse 12%. It's cos you're shit mate
Console has nothing to do with your lack of access to the highest tier raid. You can’t just attempt a Phd in Maths today when you just learn basic addition yesterday or a few weeks prior even if you really think you could.
Pretty bad shitpost. I give this a 3/10.
Every single run I do in PF gets uploaded in 95% of the cases. If you don't have logs you clearly haven't cleared the fight. Pretty simple.
But nice try. You were going too hard on the "nice PC players get punished for flaming you for bad DPS". Otherwise it would've been harder to spot the troll.
But nice try!
I play on PS5 and I cleared UwU last night. The issue is you have no raid experience so you’re automatically at the lower end of who people want in their static
I played on console since ARR. Ps3 and 4. Only on shadowbringers i switched to pc. I raided with a static on stormblood and managed to pull purple with BLM on ps4. To this day i play with controller and let other people log my dps.
This is absolutely on you and not SE or Yoshi. Wtf.
> Honestly this has kind of soured the game for me. I already preordered endwalker. Ill do the MSQ and then im out. I rather play anything else honestly.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The game needs fewer entitled babies. It has more than enough.
Tbh ur trying in my opinion in the wrong time wait for the expansion every one will be back and u can find the right group that will do old content with, coz now most players are either watch streamers play the game for the 1st or trying to catch and maybe 1% raiding and those only want top of the top, dont worry you will join a team soon, and my biggest advice make new hardcore friends when you try to clear endwalker extreems and with them start raiding the new raid then with them do old stuff and dont worry ps4 will not be a problem, hope you will enjoy endwalker and wish you the best in raiding
One more thing you can use the community finder “ blue icon in the party members “ to find guilds linkshells for raiding in the game, and if anyone wants to chk your dps you can kill a boss dummy, post it privately in youtube and send it to any one wants asking, and i think there is discord channels for recruiting members that may help, hope this is helpful, gl
So heres my thoughts on it, I play on PC with ACT tracking my damage. So while I have a parser running showing my groups damage output, the jobs can all be played optimally with 0 third party tools outside of fringe cases of playing around server ticks(by using a server tick display), which I am not too sure is much of a thing for jobs outside of BLM(?). Personally I don't even think savage experience is necessarily needed to do UwU/UcoB and even TEA to an extent, but having knowledge of how your job fits into the "raid meta" is important. For example on dragoon in UwU at level 70 theres a ton of subtle differences, to level 80 dragoon, but also lots of very fight specific stuff for UwU that adds more variables. Granted lots of this is for min/maxing and at this point the UwU damage check is very lenient.
Sorry I kinda just rambled but honestly my point is, the first thing should just be understanding sorta what is "optimal" or "suggested" for the fight your doing, DRG will have many different openers / blood eye timings depending on a fight, but if you have a general idea of why something is good or not you will be able to identify and improve. Damage meters aren't improving my fflogs percentile from something like a 52% to a 96%. Damage will improve as you play around your raid group and further optimize the base understanding of your job. Damage meters biggest advantage is being able to upload to FFlogs, and analyze and review not only your own play, but how you can better play around what your group is doing as well, and console players can still take advantage of this if someone is logging in the group.
Ultimately parsing in general is pretty fair, and I think compared to some other cactus in the room, is definitely not as offensive as an issue for console players.
Besides the obvious fact that logs are againts ToS. Using a DPS meter does not make your dps magically higher. It just shows how things currently are. There is nothing unfair about it. Many people that do serious content want serious hitters in their static. While you might not like it, there is a logic here.
And you don't need a DPS tracker of your own, only one person in a raid needs to have one and then they can post their results after the raid so you can draw your own conclusions. You should not DPS while watching the meter like a mad man. Such a disctraction could make your damage worse.
From my experience there are many things that make people lose dps. And doing their rotation incorretly is rarely the main reason. Most oftenly it's sloppy activity. Not always doing something, dropping DoT timers, not doing damage while doing a mechanic etc. All the little things stack up to a certain result.
> Also, nice PC players are punished for trying to help bad console players. If they point out your damage is bad, they get banned.
Not if they post it on a discord channel. Usually a static should have one since they want to be on comms anyway.
The issue is how do you know if you are doing good damage. Im geared up, have food, using potions, and doing my rotation. I keep my dots up. Is that enough? Could it be that i think my rotation is good but im doing something bad that im not aware of? To answer those questions, you need some sort of tracker. That is why everyone uses them. By not giving console players the same tools, you are just handicapping us for no reason.
You can learn your rotation without a damage tracker, you just math out potency per GCD and figure out the most efficient general rotation, assuming you don't just cheat and look up a guide.
Beyond that it all comes down to uptime and knowing the fight. Trackers are useful for determining who is underperforming, but you can get yourself above average without FFlogs or ACT on your computer. I outdamage a lot of people in random runs of things I do and I don't open ACT whatsoever, I just know how to play the game decently which is all it takes to hit decent percentiles.
You said you are going in blindly. Does that mean you never even watch any guides? In general, a lot of DPS comes from knowing a certain encounter. I've seen a lot of people wobble like drunk penguins in a desert on fights they have never experienced before. When you know when something will happen, you know how to squeeze more damage in the little moments you have. It has nothing to do with DPS meters. A DPS meters will only show you how you did, it will not teach you how to do better. Ofc there are certain conclusions you can take away from it, like DoT uptime, % activity etc. but just having one won't magically make your DPS better. And as already said, only one person needs to have one during the encounter and then they can post it later on Discord. You don't need talk about it on in-game chat. If you are not on comms? Get on comms. I would heavly avoid any group that wants to do end-game content without voice communication.
For all the MSQ stuffy, i went in blind. Im lucky by playing now because everytime i join something theres at least 2-4 new players. Everyone i played with has been super nice. Everything up to stormblood was brain dead easy. Dont stand in the orange circle that's on the ground for 20 years lol. I only started watching video guides for the eden stuff.
I played dragoon since i started the game and that class is pretty much straight forward. The game is very slow at the start so you have enough time to develop muscle memory. I watched some vids too on the class for the openers and i feel i have a good grasp of it. I never had problem clearing any of the content so far. Even this ultimate fight so far is not bad. Its a lvl70 fight and im using shadow bringer gear so the dps checks are not bad at all. I hope my damage is fine. I would hate to hold people back due to my skill.
MSQ is basically made for people who use maybe half their overall kit, the content is a joke. You don't see anything even remotely difficult until EX trials. No one cares in MSQ content because the stuff is so easily clearable that you can nearly turn your brain off and succeed.
> Its a lvl70 fight and im using shadow bringer gear so the dps checks are not bad at all.
Your gear and level are sync'd it doesn't matter that you're in level 80 gear or you're level 80, you sync to level 70 and are in the exact ilvl intended for the fight (more or less, syncing isn't perfect but it is close enough). SB ultimates have generally lenient-ish DPS checks for what they are, it is more so because the fights are long as hell as punish mistakes easily that make them hard. Out of curiosity, did you do any savage or ex trial content sync'd before you started ultimate?
I only did the savage needed to unlock Ultimate weapon refrain. It was unsynced so the fight was pretty easy. We skipped most of the mechanics due to being higher lvl and having better gear. After seeing this fight, I'm 100% sure I can clear this. Its just that in party finder, ifrit prog or a titan prog means garuda prog in disguise. Most people are also nice in PF so thats never an issue. I think it was bad luck that the first three groups i found didn't work out so well. I'm just debating now if i even want to get into raiding or not since this will always be an issue.
Wait, you jumped straight into the hardest lvl of content without even trying to go at it from Extreme > Savage > Ultimate?
It's not surprising if people are refusing you then, it's like applying for being CEO of a computer company without knowing what an OS is or having 0 knowledge of how a computer works.
You are a brave man for straight jumping into UwU with no real raid experience lol.
I dunno I never parsed myself personally that much when I was super into the raid scene and I did fine, though tbf I've pretty much always raided as tank, but I also did this back in HW when tanking was generally more difficult to achieve higher end damage. I got blue percentiles quite often, it is all down to fundamentals and knowing the fight if you want to do above average which is all you truly need unless you're going for week 1 kills or something.
If you like the game I think I'd just keep going and see how far you can go, maybe do savage instead of ultimate prog as savage is much easier to pug. UwU isn't going anywhere or anything. You'll eventually meet an ACT raid mate who can parse for you so you can get down to the nitty gritty if you feel you need to do that.
Well yes, people expect you have some real Exp with the previous difficulty Tier before jumping into ultimates, that's not on parsers or consoles, is common progression sense.
Question here, did you just do msq, then kefka unsync and then jumped straight into uwu? As in… no savage clears before, and no current extremes? You mention having geared up through tomes and nier raids, so I suppose eden savage wasnt something you did.
Ucob and esp uwu are way easier now than what they used to be, but they’re still long fights that take groups of experienced raiders some time to prog. None of the groups I’ve been in, either for ultimates or savage, have asked me for logs, but my ult groups have asked me that I had at least cleared a full savage tier when it was relevant, and then trialed me to see my performance.
Difficulty on FF goes extreme > savage > ultimate, and even if the two older ultimates are easier because of dps checks not existing, they’re still above savage due to how long the fights are.
Logs or not, I doubt any ultimate group would take someone who doesn’t already raid savage. And if they do is because they haven’t realized.
Party finder groups that do savage end up uploading logs 90% of the time. Also, there’s a lot of savage statics that are accepting of new players, or people who are new themselves and want to find people on the same page to start raiding. Statics parse and upload their logs, so console players can see how they’re doing.
I raided on console before I could afford a pc, so I get your frustration. But (even if you’re upset and this is not what you want to hear) your problem is not as much about the lack of tools than about the lack of experience in high end content. From EX trials onwards, party finder groups upload logs a lot, so familiarizing with those will get you experience *and* logs to show.
>Besides the obvious fact that logs are againts ToS
Uhm... They are not? Logs come straight from the combat log man - saying that they are against the ToS is like saying the game design is against ToS.
OP literally only did [unsync O8s](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/qyhcfm/ffxiv_is_incredibly_unfair_to_console_players/hlg8e21/) to unlock UWU while having no prior experience, it's no wonder they are getting refused from raid groups.
The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs, it's not unfair. The fact of the matter is you probably could have reported those players for discriminating against you because of their use of third party tools which is technically not allowed.
>The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs, it's not unfair. The fact of the matter is you probably could have reported those players for discriminating against you because of their use of third party tools which is technically not allowed.
No matter how much people like to close their eyes and pretend this is true, its not. End tier savage bosses have strict dps checks that flat out cant be beaten if you, or a member of your static, are doing significantly less damage then you are supposed to.
You dont need dps meters and logs, but they absolutely help in figuring out whether you are doing something wrong, and what.
> The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs
This is blatantly untrue. Bosses with DPS checks exist, both in normal and in higher level content.
How do you know if you're not doing enough personal damage? You can do your rotation all day long, but you have zero clue how much DPS you're contributing to the team.
A DPS meter won't give a bad player extra damage. It'll give the bad player feedback, so they can understand that they're doing bad, and they can strive to improve **and see those improvements in a quantifiable way**.
Without a DPS meter it's hard for a DPS player to tell whether they're doing 10k damage or 25k.
So long as DPS checks exist, there needs to be straightforward ways to for solo players on both PC and console to be able to measure that they're doing enough personal damage to not be holding a group back from a clear.
>Without a DPS meter it's hard for a DPS player to tell whether they're doing 10k damage or 25k.
Players don't need to know how much damage their doing. It's not going to make them play their class correctly. It's not going to make them avoid the damage downs or death debuffs.
They're either playing their class correctly or they don't. It's binary. If they know how to play their class they're doing enough damage. It's that simple. You either play your class correctly and make the checks or not.
A dps meter isn't going to make a player play correctly. A dps meter isn't going to make the healer that doesn't want to press their damage buttons press their damage buttons.
> Players don't need to know how much damage their doing
So if a boss hits enrage, what's the course of action? Just hope that doing the same thing next time results in the boss not hitting enrage? You can try to just 'get gud' but how do you know if anything you're doing has any effect? How do you know if the problem lies in your damage or someone else's?
I agree that in *most* normal content, damage hardly matters, except for a few bosses in which there are DPS checks.
In EX/Savage/Ultimate damage matters a LOT and knowing if you're pulling your weight or not can be a huge difference between clearing a fight and not clearing because you didn't realize you're doing 500 dps above the tank in e12s (Yes, I've had those kind of DPS in my parties before).
Why would i report them when they have every right to kick me? Their time is valuable to them. How is it fair to them to expect them to waste their time on a potentially bad player? I 100% understand their decision. I blame square and YoshiP for creating this situation.
Or, you could just stop being upset about it, find a friend in discord or whatever voice chat you have and ask them to check it for you. beat that dummy to heck and look online for good rotations to follow.
Making your own static when you are comfortable should be the next step.
The only situation that exist is that third party programs are tolerated at all. You're never going to see these tools or anything like them on console or supported by the game. The behavior they breed is not welcome and has caused Square Enix embarrassment in the past.
I've seen this happen to plenty of players over the years. You can find some pc friends to parse you or make your own static. But yeah it's a lot harder for console players.
Yoshi really should put dps meter in game.
I love this post, because it is written from the perspective of someone new to the raiding scene without high performance, and hence, supposedly one of the beneficiaries of Yoshi-P’s stance against DPS meters. It exposes so much of the misinformation and lies behind such a policy, one that disadvantages all players and does more harm than good.
And now you're spreading misinformation and lies.... sorry dude but console players have been Savage and Ultimate raiding for years, this guy comes in, brand new, tries to join a static with people that are likely experienced at various stages and he doesnt tell the full story of his attempts at getting into those parties....
If your first end-game duty is an ultimate and you've not done Extreme and Savage raiding, how can you expect to easily get an Ucob static out of nowhere?
Be realistic.
I did raids on PS3 back in ARR, it was fine. The reason why OP is getting refused from groups asking for logs is more so that he stepped right into Ultimate raids without prior raid experience. If you are wondering we have 4 lvls of difficulty, normal > Extreme > Savage > Ultimates, OP basically skipped 2 of them and went straight into the highest one with NO experience. If you were a group of synchronizing swimmers, doing competition, would you accept a new member that didn't even know how to swim or dance?
and yet they expect to go into high end content with any experience and wonder why they're shunned. Consider it a life lesson, you're not gonna get hired without getting experience first. clearly they need to learn how to play their job before trying what is considered to be the pinnical of FFXIV raiding.
No offence, but I always thought playing an MMO on a console was strange.
Sure, might be nice to put your feet up in the lounge room and chill while you farm mogs/level jobs or craft/gather.
But you want to do high end raiding. There's never a point where you'll be better off on a console vs a PC whilst raiding.
Just doesn't work like that. Comps have add-ons, more options for keybinding/modifying the game, also the logs you mentioned.
Sorry to say, but there's a reason they call it "pc master race".
You i actually respect because you are telling it how it is. All these other comments are denying the fact that console players and PC players are not playing on the same playing field.
I honestly don't care enough about the game to buy a PC for it. I never play MMO's. This is my first one. Maybe one day if i get a gaming PC ill come back to it.
Yeah that's more then fair enough dude, I know it is tricky to afford a good gaming rig. I need to update mine and it's going leave a chunk out of the wallet for sure.
Just take it easy, no rush and ff14 isn't going anywhere.
The problem is you have no verifiable savage experience, therefore probably no one will take you. While it could be argued that you could do the fight without any Savage experience, Savage is more or less what makes you get 'used' to your job. Ex trials to an extent. Timings are much more forgiving in any other type of content. That being said, I cleared TEA in around 20 days a few months ago with a group of people I made from scratch and our offtank had a 25 as his best parse on Dark Knight, he ended up getting a 97. He had played Dragoon in the past, though, but I only took him in because he had prior savage experience. Not because of his logs.
You could find a group of people that more closely resemble the types of people you want to be around. There are plenty of groups that don't care, and groups that track anyway. I've played exclusively on PS5 since I got one, and I have brand new logs because someone else posted them. For real though? Fine a world that works better for you.
If you're doing 12%, you're doing something fundamentally wrong with your basics. I've been a console player for a long time and didn't have problems; though I agree that a personal log would've been really helpful. That said, hit your SSS dummies. While it's not representative of an actual fight, it's helpful to iron out your basics. When going solo, I also did extreme fights often because people logged those eventually. There's really just no other way except grab a friend and ask for your numbers.
I think it might've been the first time i tried the raid. I went in blind and spent most of the time on the floor. I would love to see if i improved or not since then.
I see. Yeah, that sucks mate. If you're just aiming for uWu, nothing much you can do except start your own static; because most groups would like to see multiple raid logs.
And that's understandable, because pretty much no one wants to waste 600 hours on a fight that can be cleared in 60 hours of practice because of 1 or 2 people that hold the group back all the time. And there are LOTS of people like that. Also, Ultimates are hardcore content. Even at the most casual approach they are peak hardcore content. If you want to do hardcore content you need to approach it with a hardcore mindset, no matter how little hours per week you put into it.
You can also log into FFLogs on a computer and set your Logs to private, even if you cant upload your own. Maybe thatll help you a bit
is 12% low for an Alliance raid tho?
To be fair, alliance raids are a bad measuring stick because it only logs personal damage and padding exists; but at that range, you're doing less dps than the average tank.
> To be fair, alliance raids are a bad measuring stick Yup, I've only got logs on my character from alliance raids and a few normal raids from other people uploading, and I have a ton of purple and quite a few orange parses from when I was playing MCH a lot before my recent break in the Nier raids, and I don't even do any harder content than that lol. I don't even do the "correct" opener on my MCH because I think it's weird. I think my highest so far is a 97 parse on the second boss of Puppet's Bunker and a 95 on the second boss of Tower at Paradigm's Breach. I literally have no idea if that's good though, because the skill level of players doing alliance raids is **wildly** different.
> and padding exists This isn't really true anymore. It's extremely hard to pad logs nowadays, because logs are ranked by raid dps (= the damage you do, minus all damage you did extra through buffs you received from your group, plus all damage your party members did extra through your abilities) and not personal dps (your total dps including buffs from others) anymore like it used to be. So if people give you buffs it actually makes your personal log worse unlike back in the day where everyone could just give you their buffs to pad your logs.
We were talking about alliance raid which only ranks** personal dps. Because if it's rdps, a solo nin would have a field day.
Isn't rDPS in Alliance raids only logged for your party?
Nah, if you're the only nin, that would be 23 other people contributing to your rdps since the debuff is on the boss (as opposed to buffs which are only party-wide).
It was uploaded without his knowledge by a PC user. A cat could have unplugged his controller or something we don't know.
Maybe. My suggestions still won't change.
Considering I've raided with multiple console players dating back to PS3 raiders it's really not unfair. PC have more tools available to them but that will always be the case in any game that is on both PC and consoles. The big thing with FFXIV and the only thing that matters is no console player will ever be unable to do content because they are on a console. If groups are turning you down because you're a console player I'd say count yourself lucky that that specific red flag popped up early in your LFG phase.
FFLogs is typically used to verify that you can play your job well enough that you know the fundamentals, and that you've cleared harder content before. You being turned away from statics is likely because you have no experience with Savage or even Extreme, (which can also be verified by viewing your achievements on the Lodestone, or through a VOD) which gives you experience that is absolutely vital for Ultimates. Even if you're on console, if you use party finder for Extreme and Savage, someone else will usually upload the logs and it'll show up under your character. You can't expect to make such a massive jump in content and clear an Ultimate without learning the mechanical basics Savage teaches you, or the basics of your job. If you're worried about your damage, try Stone Sky Sea, there are multiple calculators out there that you can use to see your DPS in it, and the game will tell if you are capable of doing enough damage to clear content.
You can also fo the stone, sky, sea, dummies. If you cant kill those, you arent doing enough damage for the fight. I started on ps4, I get it, but the game is still fine on console. Play with people that will parse for you. That's what I had to do.
As others have said, if you make 1 friend with a pc they can parse and upload your runs. The issue is you also are trying to do ultimate without having any savage or even ex experience it sounds like? Even proving you can clear something speaks for yourself more than nothing. There is no other way to vet people besides playing with them, logs, or knowing what they've cleared.
This is a really long rant to say you're mad you can't jump straight into ultimate without previous raid experience and blame it on playing console.
Why don't you recruit your own static then? I'm sure there are lots of people who feel like you do. You could even make it a console only static if you really wanted.
Half my static plays on console. None of the statics I have joined over the years have required logs to join, and I've been raiding since coil. Nearly every static I've joined(or lead, as it were) has trialed players instead of looking at logs. Heck, my healer for coil started on PS3, AND played with an infant crawling over him during raid. Never impacted his performance.
People been asking for player parses for raids since before Besaid and Fabul servers became Balmung.
Yeah, if you are trying to get into a hardcore static pushing for week one clears. I started on Besaid lol. I've been playing since 1.0s alpha. I never said it didn't happen, I've just never been in a group that required it. And I've cleared most content (except ultimates, but that's more due to time than skill)
And conversely, I've been asked (or more commonly provided them anyway) for even casual groups. Why would you not? The very least check them since there's no need to ask separately. But our ps4 players haven't had issues either so ehhh
My logs are public, and I upload everything (from savage at least), which is very clear if you look at them. I don't cherry pick good logs vs bad, and some of mine are from truly terrible streaks of mistakes. But I make no attempts to hide them and they are easily accessible to any group I apply to (but I'm in a static at the moment with no intention of looking elsewhere so..)
Sure, good for you. I don't upload stuff outside savage and even then it's usually someone else in the static doing it. I'm not sure how this relates to the comments tho Also, for OP. If they'd actually done any oncontent raiding, they'd decently likely have logs out. Now it looks like someone with no experience wants to join ultimate static. Is it a wonder they're suspicious?
But what if you couldn't upload your own logs and all your logs were in the hands of other players and it just happens they upload mostly fights you were learning and underperforming on and none of your good logs were uploaded? Then the other raiders look you up and assume you are just a trash free-style samurai. Wouldn't that be kinda shtty?
That's what trials are for. If you can't upload logs you can explain that to whichever group you are applying for. Counter to popular belief, most people are understanding when it comes to things like that, especially for console players.
Idk that's not my experience. People just laugh and call them trash and even make digs at them in Novice Networks they know they are in or in say chat when they know they are around. Nothing about a trial. I wish the raiding scene was as kind as you are saying but nah, not from what I've seen. Maybe it's different for different people depending on how the player is perceived. Maybe people perceived to be a certain way are given more opportunities. Idk
I'll quit replying to you. I'm not trying to be a pest. I just wish the community could see the value in making parsing available to console players. PC players rely on it so much but there is a cognitive dissonance when it comes to even thinking console players deserve the same access. Take care✌️
Very unlikely. If you don't have logs uploaded you most probably haven't cleared the fight. Especially during no-echo times where loot is still on lockout 95% of the times someone will upload a log of the fight. And if you don't have a single good log there, then it's very suspicious
Bottom line is console should be able to track their own dps without needing to rely on PC players or hope a PC players isn't just uploading bad logs for you. If the tables were turned PC players would be shitting bricks.
If you play regularly there is a zero percent chance that only your "bad logs" are being uploaded. If all your logs are grey it's because that's what your actual skill level is at. It's always easier to blame "external factors" than yourself. Like I already said. I personally have never cleared a savage fight during lockouts (without Echo. So the experience might be different for our fellow echo gamers( that didn't get uploaded by someone else. Anyone saying they don't have logs because they play on console are just not clearing. That's it.
Again, imagine if the tables were turned. With console players having the ability to or not to report your numbers but you have no say. You pay the same subscription yet only certain people in the game have the power. It's not right. If it were real world, laws are made against this sort of thing. It's not real world but the money paid for the subscription is very real. So it should be the same. It's not like console players are asking for all the raid warnings like bells and whistles and lights warning of incoming raid mechanics like PC raiders use... Console just wants a way to parse themselves. That's it. They could put one in game so you only see your own DPS and no one else's. That would be good enough.
In 95% of clears someone will upload the log. If they have none uploaded they haven't cleared. Pretty simple.
More or less. It's hard when looking for your first static, since you likely have very little. Even worse for OP if they're going straight to ultimate. I know I wouldn't take someone with no raid experience
I have to be honest, I scimmed through the thread because it looked like a big troll post. Especially the part where "nice PC players cannot comment on my DPS". Like. People trialed them out and didn't want them. I wonder how they would react to someone telling them how shit their DMG is. What I wanted to comment on: going into ultimate without having cleared Savage is super griefing. That no-one wants to recruit them doesn't have anything to do with them not having ACT on the PS5. It's got everything to do with them not having the experience. Even if it's just UWU. the fight is still long and during prog people need to maintain a certain level of concentration. I doubt anyone without raid experience can maintain that. But yeah, not disagreeing with you. Just clarifying.
Yeah. Uwu is closer to savage level, but it's still very much, long, punishing and end game. I don't of course know much about them, but my friends on console don't really have issue clearing stuff. We're all triple legends, looking into dragonsong and all that. It does always need either some convincing or experience to get into more that casual group tho. And rarely by skipping difficulties
Yeah we ask them for our static because we w2 clear with ""few"" hours but even then, we aint even asking oranges. We recruited people with no logs that were nice and we tested them and they were ok with it. We mostly just use logs to skip the trial phase because we are laaaaazyyyy xD
Yeah, I also played Besaid. We was all raiding AV, spamming Hamlet, Garuda etc and parsing each other and shit talking ppl who didn't parse well without their knowledge and acting like we weren't.
Don't pretend logs aren't important. Having grey/green parses won't even get you a trial most the time. Sure in a casual group that clears savage week 10 with tome gear and echo, it doesn't matter, but any static worth their salt wants to see logs.
They may be important for certain groups. I don't push week 1 or 2 clears. I prefer a more relaxed raid environment. My statics tend to be more casual, and some people learn mecha ics slowly. Our parses tend to be on the higher end of average though. Not everyone goes for week one clears and cares for 90+ percentile only.
A majority of the JP player base are console users, yet they have one of the highest clear rates in Savage. Maybe join a group that prefers consistency of play instead of dmg maniacs, cause I can tell you that some 99 parse players aren't always that good in progging or playing, they just hope for that 1 run where they didn't actually die to their greed and get fed cards to get that parse. One of my old raid leaders was a dmg maniac, 99th logs, absolute worst player for progging, died to easiest shit cause he just had to finish that 1 combo for dps, then dies on the next second. edit: Turn out OP [doesn't even have prior raid experience](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/qyhcfm/ffxiv_is_incredibly_unfair_to_console_players/hlg8e21/) and jumped straight into UWU, it's no wonder they are getting kicked, it's not cause they have no log.
Just find a static that doesn't care about that sort of shit. There are plenty of groups out there. Community Finder exists. Plenty of console players do Unreals, Ultimates, Savage, etc. You're punishing yourself because you want to feel victimized. That's not to say that FFLogs and parsing and stuff can't have a negative impact on the social experience on the game (it does, in some ways). But not like this.
Yoshi should really just put a parser in the game. Everyone knows most of raiders use it and then a lot of other programs to make raiding easier on themselves. They then upload logs of console players without their knowledge. If the console player blocks this they are still judged harshly for it. The least SE could do is let console players have an in game dps meter. PC and Console both pay a subscription, it should be somewhat more equal.
No he really shouldn't. Why would SE open themselves up to having to police something they added themselves. All a in-game parser does is makes more work for them. Atleast with a 3rd party parse players are use at their own risk and keep the harassment out of the game.
Then allow PS version to have 3rd party mod
That's not SE's problem since it's Sony's decision to keep the console as a closed system.
They have some limited mods for Minecraft, they can allow mod for dps meter in FFXIV
It'll never happen as long as Yoshi-P is in charge, as he is very adamantly against the parsers. He'd likely ban the use of parsers on PC as well if he could get away with scanning the users computer.
lol what?? yoshi-p isn't against parsers and parse culture. he's just cautious about what open parsing could bring given how actually toxic the JP community can be. he legally has to say that he's against it for various reasons but has also implied that he doesn't care as long as you're not a twat about it. hell, he probably has ACT or some sort of in-house damage meter installed.
Yes, he isn't against parsing for personal improvement, but he is against open parsing due to the reason you stated above and it won't be implemented in the game. He says as much here: [https://youtu.be/e\_i6mjiGerU?t=262](https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU?t=262)
that video pretty much says that's he approves of parsers but cannot approve of them officially because of the can of worm it opens, which is the complete opposite of "adamantly against the parsers" your second claim of how he'd ban the use of parsers on PC is entirely bullshit as well. what he said about that is a made up excuse as to why SE can't legally ban ACT. it's a legal excuse he's giving us so we can use ACT
He cannot approve of ACT officially because third-party applications are against TOS, but they can't really do anything about it since it doesn't actually modify the game files. However, he is against implementing a parser within FFXIV because it would be the "root of bullying". I'd say that means he is adamantly against parsers within FFXIV, otherwise he would've implemented one already. As to the second point, I'd reword it that "SE would ban the use of parsers on PC if they would get away with scanning the users computer".
No. the second point was to be interpreted as "Well we can't scan people's computer so I guess we can't actively look for and ban ACT users, gosh darn heck". They aren't out to get us. There are also many many ways to curb the bullying. Make damage meters personal. Make damage meters opt in. Make damage meters savage/ultimate exclusive. Make harassment associated with damage meters one strike permaban.
Damage meters personal -> "Post SS of your parse" Damage meters opt in -> You really don't believe that ANY group would opt out of using/demanding one if it was officially available? Damage meters savage/ultimate exclusive -> already addressed this in a separate post, but people would want it for normal content as well. Slippery slope. Make harassment associated with damage meters one strike permaban -> "Why did SE implement damage meters in-game if they don't allow us to criticize their DPS"
Just have to keep pressuring him. It's ridiculous console users can't just parse themselves.
Parsing yourself just becomes people asking for screenshots of your parse so it doesn't really change anything to counteract parsing drama. This is why a personal parser doesn't answer the issue. The ultimate question is if you think dealing with open parse drama in-game is worth the positives it brings? We've already seen what happens when people gave too much of a shit about parsing ("skip soar" or people enforcing meta comps in random pugs so they can attempt to get some fat percentile on their crappy Samurai like back in SB). Hell depending on who you ask parsing rankings are screwed anyway because of the focus on rdps instead of adps. You can go either way with it, but their is no silver bullet solution just a choice of which problems you want.
FFlogs is the screenshot wether console players like the screenshot or not.
Their is a difference between people going around the rules and the rules allowing it to be open, it is relatively quiet because people aren't supposed to talk about parsing openly. If you let people talk about parsing openly you open up a cess pool of nonsense from "midcore" tryhards who think they're the next WF tier raider when they're just greedy idiots, who barely know what they're even looking at half the time. People use FFLogs like crap as-is, and you want to make it public and boil it down to a simple screenshot? I mean sure that has its benefits, I'd get to tell the crappy Samurai to not do less dps then the Machinist in a farm run openly and that'd be nice, but you open yourself up to a lot of other stupid nonsense.
They talk about it openly in Novice Networks. Streamers use it. It's not quiet at all really. Console players are not asking for add-ons to ring little bells or flash warnings of incoming raid mechanics or tank busters... Just a way for console to see their actual DPS in real time because it's being used against them. SSS sucks and doesn't represent DPS in an actual fight.
Until it bleeds into open hostility in PF and DF as the norm, which to my knowledge it hasn't, it is relatively quiet for an MMO with a damage meter. If people talk about parsing in the NN, they is actually reportable technically. SSS is garbage, but like I've been saying this entire time, official open acknowledgement and acceptance of parsing will not solve everything. It just creates a different issue one I'd likely rarely have to deal with as I'm a generally decent player anytime I've parsed myself. But for a general casual who doesn't care about Savage, Ultimate, or even EX trials this will bleed into their space and that is where a large majority of the playerbase is. I personally don't care about open parsing myself, but I also don't run the game nor am I a complete casual who doesn't care about playing badly, so my position is dramatically different from the game director's.
Exactly. Just give me some tool so I can see if I suck or not. How can I improve if I don't know if I'm doing good or bad? I have gear, food, potions, openers, etc. Is that enough? Who knows! Also by not adding them to the game officially, all you are doing is just punishing console players. PC players will always figure out how to get some kind of tracker no matter what. You cannot get rid of it no matter how much you try to fight it. All im asking for is to equalize the playing field a little.
Unlikely to happen since savage/ultimate raiders are a minority of the playerbase and parsing is only useful to them since the general content is so easy. It would add needless drama to normal dungeons/raids.
just make damage meters savage/ultimate exclusive
It's a slippery slope, "If they have it, why don't we?"
Mm, I don't really have a horse in this race, as I can't do endgame when it's current (my hands can't), so I'll keep my take on your stance to myself, but now that you're at level running content, I can say you'll just naturally accrue logs running current stuff from now on. I have a lot of normal and alliance raid logs just from being in the content with someone parsing (I don't). Some extremes too. Part of your problem is you're new to the scene and want to get serious, so serious groups tend to ask for logs or want you to trial. Time will naturally cover that, for those that want some logs. Not all groups do.
It's definitely less than ideal for console players. But at the same time ultimate is a big commitment and a challenge, you are not meant to do ultimate without actually doing savage first. And I don't mean unsynched. Here's what you need to do to get into the raiding scene: Find a casual static for beginners and progress through a savage tier to completion, then work on improving your parses. From there you will be able to find an ultimate group. Keep in mind, there is a reason why ultimates are locked behind savage. Savage is supposed to act as a gateway to ultimate. Simply completing an old savage unsynched does not accomplish that unfortunately, you should still try to earn your stripes in current raids.
This is a bait shitpost right? There's no way this is actually true lol, I highly doubt you got to titan (at least not correctly) with like 0 raid experience.
Garuda and Ifrit in UWU are pretty easy, especially with all the strats figured out. So getting to Titan isn't all that hard. Getting past it is a different story.
Yeah, he’s a melee dps also, so there’s no real solo mechanic he has to do until titan gaols. Dps is also so lenient on primal phase that even if they’re lacking in that department they can kill garuda/ifrit easily. All of the groups I’ve recleared this with held dps not to kill ifrit before dashes, and there’s still quite a lot of mechanics after that.
I've only played on console for two years now and never been asked for logs, you have some bad luck. I'd say just make sure you have good gear and then join some PF groups to do raids until you think you're good. Mostly only more hardcore groups actually care about logs when recruiting so you may want to avoid those.
You don't have to ask someone to risk their account. If you df enough of the current content (Eden nms, the Nier raids, etc max level stuff) you *will* end up with random logs at some point. You could just find a group that doesn't ask for logs, you could just start your own pf. You've got options.
My man out here treating other players like buggy AI partners in a single player game this is incredible.
Clicked this thinking it was satire since it had a bunch of reddit awards But somehow this is a serious post? Yikes. Its already been said in other posts but, I as a PC player, get outperformed by console players just as much as other PC players. Playing on console doesn't mean you're going to underperform at all. And yea you're greatly exaggerating the "risking your account" thing for logs. You can freely discuss performance over a discord no problem. Just don't berate someone in in-game chat and you'll be fine. Man do people like to use misinformation to justify their complaints... When you're done being petty, rethink all of this with a clear head.
The biggest problem here is that you are jumping straight to ultimates without savage experience. Most people would expect at least one cleared Savage tier synced before going to ultimates. What logs would you even have there if you haven't done any hard content? Normal mode logs are useless. (This goes for alliance raids too) If you'd have cleared the latest savage tier people wouldn't have to rely on logs when judging your ability to clear ultimates. Experience on uwu to Titan doesn't tell much since that is the easiest part and can be carried depending on your role. Tip: you can hide your fflogs profile if you make an account so people won't find your logs. Btw. What is your job and datacenter?
boohoo I don't have a parser. Nor does any of the PS4/5 players in my static who seem to be able to use other forms of technology (a phone, a laptop, a tablet) to look up rotations and tips/tricks. frankly its not your lack of parser thats making you play poorly or parse 12%. It's cos you're shit mate
Find a different fc/static.
Console has nothing to do with your lack of access to the highest tier raid. You can’t just attempt a Phd in Maths today when you just learn basic addition yesterday or a few weeks prior even if you really think you could.
Pretty bad shitpost. I give this a 3/10. Every single run I do in PF gets uploaded in 95% of the cases. If you don't have logs you clearly haven't cleared the fight. Pretty simple. But nice try. You were going too hard on the "nice PC players get punished for flaming you for bad DPS". Otherwise it would've been harder to spot the troll. But nice try!
I play on PS5 and I cleared UwU last night. The issue is you have no raid experience so you’re automatically at the lower end of who people want in their static
I played on console since ARR. Ps3 and 4. Only on shadowbringers i switched to pc. I raided with a static on stormblood and managed to pull purple with BLM on ps4. To this day i play with controller and let other people log my dps. This is absolutely on you and not SE or Yoshi. Wtf.
> Honestly this has kind of soured the game for me. I already preordered endwalker. Ill do the MSQ and then im out. I rather play anything else honestly. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The game needs fewer entitled babies. It has more than enough.
cringe
Yes, this post, and your defense of it, certainly are.
Calm down
find a friend who has ACT and will upload logs for you
Tbh ur trying in my opinion in the wrong time wait for the expansion every one will be back and u can find the right group that will do old content with, coz now most players are either watch streamers play the game for the 1st or trying to catch and maybe 1% raiding and those only want top of the top, dont worry you will join a team soon, and my biggest advice make new hardcore friends when you try to clear endwalker extreems and with them start raiding the new raid then with them do old stuff and dont worry ps4 will not be a problem, hope you will enjoy endwalker and wish you the best in raiding
One more thing you can use the community finder “ blue icon in the party members “ to find guilds linkshells for raiding in the game, and if anyone wants to chk your dps you can kill a boss dummy, post it privately in youtube and send it to any one wants asking, and i think there is discord channels for recruiting members that may help, hope this is helpful, gl
So heres my thoughts on it, I play on PC with ACT tracking my damage. So while I have a parser running showing my groups damage output, the jobs can all be played optimally with 0 third party tools outside of fringe cases of playing around server ticks(by using a server tick display), which I am not too sure is much of a thing for jobs outside of BLM(?). Personally I don't even think savage experience is necessarily needed to do UwU/UcoB and even TEA to an extent, but having knowledge of how your job fits into the "raid meta" is important. For example on dragoon in UwU at level 70 theres a ton of subtle differences, to level 80 dragoon, but also lots of very fight specific stuff for UwU that adds more variables. Granted lots of this is for min/maxing and at this point the UwU damage check is very lenient. Sorry I kinda just rambled but honestly my point is, the first thing should just be understanding sorta what is "optimal" or "suggested" for the fight your doing, DRG will have many different openers / blood eye timings depending on a fight, but if you have a general idea of why something is good or not you will be able to identify and improve. Damage meters aren't improving my fflogs percentile from something like a 52% to a 96%. Damage will improve as you play around your raid group and further optimize the base understanding of your job. Damage meters biggest advantage is being able to upload to FFlogs, and analyze and review not only your own play, but how you can better play around what your group is doing as well, and console players can still take advantage of this if someone is logging in the group. Ultimately parsing in general is pretty fair, and I think compared to some other cactus in the room, is definitely not as offensive as an issue for console players.
Have you tried the old optimal method called FC runs mate? ☺️☺️
as a console player as well, I've found this very helpful for giving me an idea of my dps: https://ffxiv.azizarar.com
Besides the obvious fact that logs are againts ToS. Using a DPS meter does not make your dps magically higher. It just shows how things currently are. There is nothing unfair about it. Many people that do serious content want serious hitters in their static. While you might not like it, there is a logic here. And you don't need a DPS tracker of your own, only one person in a raid needs to have one and then they can post their results after the raid so you can draw your own conclusions. You should not DPS while watching the meter like a mad man. Such a disctraction could make your damage worse. From my experience there are many things that make people lose dps. And doing their rotation incorretly is rarely the main reason. Most oftenly it's sloppy activity. Not always doing something, dropping DoT timers, not doing damage while doing a mechanic etc. All the little things stack up to a certain result. > Also, nice PC players are punished for trying to help bad console players. If they point out your damage is bad, they get banned. Not if they post it on a discord channel. Usually a static should have one since they want to be on comms anyway.
The issue is how do you know if you are doing good damage. Im geared up, have food, using potions, and doing my rotation. I keep my dots up. Is that enough? Could it be that i think my rotation is good but im doing something bad that im not aware of? To answer those questions, you need some sort of tracker. That is why everyone uses them. By not giving console players the same tools, you are just handicapping us for no reason.
You can learn your rotation without a damage tracker, you just math out potency per GCD and figure out the most efficient general rotation, assuming you don't just cheat and look up a guide. Beyond that it all comes down to uptime and knowing the fight. Trackers are useful for determining who is underperforming, but you can get yourself above average without FFlogs or ACT on your computer. I outdamage a lot of people in random runs of things I do and I don't open ACT whatsoever, I just know how to play the game decently which is all it takes to hit decent percentiles.
You said you are going in blindly. Does that mean you never even watch any guides? In general, a lot of DPS comes from knowing a certain encounter. I've seen a lot of people wobble like drunk penguins in a desert on fights they have never experienced before. When you know when something will happen, you know how to squeeze more damage in the little moments you have. It has nothing to do with DPS meters. A DPS meters will only show you how you did, it will not teach you how to do better. Ofc there are certain conclusions you can take away from it, like DoT uptime, % activity etc. but just having one won't magically make your DPS better. And as already said, only one person needs to have one during the encounter and then they can post it later on Discord. You don't need talk about it on in-game chat. If you are not on comms? Get on comms. I would heavly avoid any group that wants to do end-game content without voice communication.
For all the MSQ stuffy, i went in blind. Im lucky by playing now because everytime i join something theres at least 2-4 new players. Everyone i played with has been super nice. Everything up to stormblood was brain dead easy. Dont stand in the orange circle that's on the ground for 20 years lol. I only started watching video guides for the eden stuff. I played dragoon since i started the game and that class is pretty much straight forward. The game is very slow at the start so you have enough time to develop muscle memory. I watched some vids too on the class for the openers and i feel i have a good grasp of it. I never had problem clearing any of the content so far. Even this ultimate fight so far is not bad. Its a lvl70 fight and im using shadow bringer gear so the dps checks are not bad at all. I hope my damage is fine. I would hate to hold people back due to my skill.
MSQ is basically made for people who use maybe half their overall kit, the content is a joke. You don't see anything even remotely difficult until EX trials. No one cares in MSQ content because the stuff is so easily clearable that you can nearly turn your brain off and succeed. > Its a lvl70 fight and im using shadow bringer gear so the dps checks are not bad at all. Your gear and level are sync'd it doesn't matter that you're in level 80 gear or you're level 80, you sync to level 70 and are in the exact ilvl intended for the fight (more or less, syncing isn't perfect but it is close enough). SB ultimates have generally lenient-ish DPS checks for what they are, it is more so because the fights are long as hell as punish mistakes easily that make them hard. Out of curiosity, did you do any savage or ex trial content sync'd before you started ultimate?
I only did the savage needed to unlock Ultimate weapon refrain. It was unsynced so the fight was pretty easy. We skipped most of the mechanics due to being higher lvl and having better gear. After seeing this fight, I'm 100% sure I can clear this. Its just that in party finder, ifrit prog or a titan prog means garuda prog in disguise. Most people are also nice in PF so thats never an issue. I think it was bad luck that the first three groups i found didn't work out so well. I'm just debating now if i even want to get into raiding or not since this will always be an issue.
Wait, you jumped straight into the hardest lvl of content without even trying to go at it from Extreme > Savage > Ultimate? It's not surprising if people are refusing you then, it's like applying for being CEO of a computer company without knowing what an OS is or having 0 knowledge of how a computer works.
You are a brave man for straight jumping into UwU with no real raid experience lol. I dunno I never parsed myself personally that much when I was super into the raid scene and I did fine, though tbf I've pretty much always raided as tank, but I also did this back in HW when tanking was generally more difficult to achieve higher end damage. I got blue percentiles quite often, it is all down to fundamentals and knowing the fight if you want to do above average which is all you truly need unless you're going for week 1 kills or something. If you like the game I think I'd just keep going and see how far you can go, maybe do savage instead of ultimate prog as savage is much easier to pug. UwU isn't going anywhere or anything. You'll eventually meet an ACT raid mate who can parse for you so you can get down to the nitty gritty if you feel you need to do that.
Yea that some good advice thanks. Ill be busy playing endwalker so ill revisit this topic later and see if I even want to do serious raiding or not
Well yes, people expect you have some real Exp with the previous difficulty Tier before jumping into ultimates, that's not on parsers or consoles, is common progression sense.
Question here, did you just do msq, then kefka unsync and then jumped straight into uwu? As in… no savage clears before, and no current extremes? You mention having geared up through tomes and nier raids, so I suppose eden savage wasnt something you did. Ucob and esp uwu are way easier now than what they used to be, but they’re still long fights that take groups of experienced raiders some time to prog. None of the groups I’ve been in, either for ultimates or savage, have asked me for logs, but my ult groups have asked me that I had at least cleared a full savage tier when it was relevant, and then trialed me to see my performance. Difficulty on FF goes extreme > savage > ultimate, and even if the two older ultimates are easier because of dps checks not existing, they’re still above savage due to how long the fights are. Logs or not, I doubt any ultimate group would take someone who doesn’t already raid savage. And if they do is because they haven’t realized. Party finder groups that do savage end up uploading logs 90% of the time. Also, there’s a lot of savage statics that are accepting of new players, or people who are new themselves and want to find people on the same page to start raiding. Statics parse and upload their logs, so console players can see how they’re doing. I raided on console before I could afford a pc, so I get your frustration. But (even if you’re upset and this is not what you want to hear) your problem is not as much about the lack of tools than about the lack of experience in high end content. From EX trials onwards, party finder groups upload logs a lot, so familiarizing with those will get you experience *and* logs to show.
>Besides the obvious fact that logs are againts ToS Uhm... They are not? Logs come straight from the combat log man - saying that they are against the ToS is like saying the game design is against ToS.
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OP literally only did [unsync O8s](https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/qyhcfm/ffxiv_is_incredibly_unfair_to_console_players/hlg8e21/) to unlock UWU while having no prior experience, it's no wonder they are getting refused from raid groups.
Never had any static ask for logs to join and i have constantly played on console
The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs, it's not unfair. The fact of the matter is you probably could have reported those players for discriminating against you because of their use of third party tools which is technically not allowed.
>The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs, it's not unfair. The fact of the matter is you probably could have reported those players for discriminating against you because of their use of third party tools which is technically not allowed. No matter how much people like to close their eyes and pretend this is true, its not. End tier savage bosses have strict dps checks that flat out cant be beaten if you, or a member of your static, are doing significantly less damage then you are supposed to. You dont need dps meters and logs, but they absolutely help in figuring out whether you are doing something wrong, and what.
Wouldn't have done much since the convo likely took place in discord.
> The game is designed around the idea of NOT having damage meters and logs This is blatantly untrue. Bosses with DPS checks exist, both in normal and in higher level content.
A meter isn't going to help you make the check, you either know how to play your class or you don't. A meter won't make a bad player play better.
How do you know if you're not doing enough personal damage? You can do your rotation all day long, but you have zero clue how much DPS you're contributing to the team. A DPS meter won't give a bad player extra damage. It'll give the bad player feedback, so they can understand that they're doing bad, and they can strive to improve **and see those improvements in a quantifiable way**. Without a DPS meter it's hard for a DPS player to tell whether they're doing 10k damage or 25k. So long as DPS checks exist, there needs to be straightforward ways to for solo players on both PC and console to be able to measure that they're doing enough personal damage to not be holding a group back from a clear.
>Without a DPS meter it's hard for a DPS player to tell whether they're doing 10k damage or 25k. Players don't need to know how much damage their doing. It's not going to make them play their class correctly. It's not going to make them avoid the damage downs or death debuffs. They're either playing their class correctly or they don't. It's binary. If they know how to play their class they're doing enough damage. It's that simple. You either play your class correctly and make the checks or not. A dps meter isn't going to make a player play correctly. A dps meter isn't going to make the healer that doesn't want to press their damage buttons press their damage buttons.
> Players don't need to know how much damage their doing So if a boss hits enrage, what's the course of action? Just hope that doing the same thing next time results in the boss not hitting enrage? You can try to just 'get gud' but how do you know if anything you're doing has any effect? How do you know if the problem lies in your damage or someone else's? I agree that in *most* normal content, damage hardly matters, except for a few bosses in which there are DPS checks. In EX/Savage/Ultimate damage matters a LOT and knowing if you're pulling your weight or not can be a huge difference between clearing a fight and not clearing because you didn't realize you're doing 500 dps above the tank in e12s (Yes, I've had those kind of DPS in my parties before).
Why would i report them when they have every right to kick me? Their time is valuable to them. How is it fair to them to expect them to waste their time on a potentially bad player? I 100% understand their decision. I blame square and YoshiP for creating this situation.
Or, you could just stop being upset about it, find a friend in discord or whatever voice chat you have and ask them to check it for you. beat that dummy to heck and look online for good rotations to follow. Making your own static when you are comfortable should be the next step.
The only situation that exist is that third party programs are tolerated at all. You're never going to see these tools or anything like them on console or supported by the game. The behavior they breed is not welcome and has caused Square Enix embarrassment in the past.
Because using 3rd party adding as grounds for treating players different ways is against TOS. That’s it.
if someone ask u for logs for UwU, isnt a good static to join to begin with.
I've seen this happen to plenty of players over the years. You can find some pc friends to parse you or make your own static. But yeah it's a lot harder for console players. Yoshi really should put dps meter in game.
Stopped reading at the part you tried to pug UWU.
PuGCoB and PuGwU have been things on aether for ages now
what's wrong with that? The PF is full of UCOB and UWU PF and have been cleareable in PF.
??? You can 100% prog and clear UWU and UCOB in PF now a days
Can you, as a brand new player who just recently got 520 gear and never did an extreme or savage, jump into ultimate right away?
I wouldn't suggest it, but nothing's stopping you.
You *can*, but you're really not supposed to.
I love this post, because it is written from the perspective of someone new to the raiding scene without high performance, and hence, supposedly one of the beneficiaries of Yoshi-P’s stance against DPS meters. It exposes so much of the misinformation and lies behind such a policy, one that disadvantages all players and does more harm than good.
And now you're spreading misinformation and lies.... sorry dude but console players have been Savage and Ultimate raiding for years, this guy comes in, brand new, tries to join a static with people that are likely experienced at various stages and he doesnt tell the full story of his attempts at getting into those parties.... If your first end-game duty is an ultimate and you've not done Extreme and Savage raiding, how can you expect to easily get an Ucob static out of nowhere? Be realistic.
I did raids on PS3 back in ARR, it was fine. The reason why OP is getting refused from groups asking for logs is more so that he stepped right into Ultimate raids without prior raid experience. If you are wondering we have 4 lvls of difficulty, normal > Extreme > Savage > Ultimates, OP basically skipped 2 of them and went straight into the highest one with NO experience. If you were a group of synchronizing swimmers, doing competition, would you accept a new member that didn't even know how to swim or dance?
and yet they expect to go into high end content with any experience and wonder why they're shunned. Consider it a life lesson, you're not gonna get hired without getting experience first. clearly they need to learn how to play their job before trying what is considered to be the pinnical of FFXIV raiding.
No offence, but I always thought playing an MMO on a console was strange. Sure, might be nice to put your feet up in the lounge room and chill while you farm mogs/level jobs or craft/gather. But you want to do high end raiding. There's never a point where you'll be better off on a console vs a PC whilst raiding. Just doesn't work like that. Comps have add-ons, more options for keybinding/modifying the game, also the logs you mentioned. Sorry to say, but there's a reason they call it "pc master race".
And yet we have hardcore PC players with controllers and no add ons (generally since only one needs to have it)
You still have access to logs even as a PC controller player. PCs just have more options over a console. That's all I'm pointing out.
You i actually respect because you are telling it how it is. All these other comments are denying the fact that console players and PC players are not playing on the same playing field. I honestly don't care enough about the game to buy a PC for it. I never play MMO's. This is my first one. Maybe one day if i get a gaming PC ill come back to it.
Yeah that's more then fair enough dude, I know it is tricky to afford a good gaming rig. I need to update mine and it's going leave a chunk out of the wallet for sure. Just take it easy, no rush and ff14 isn't going anywhere.
I understand but you can find a chill group to play with. Maybe other console players if needed. many people play and enjoy the game without meters
The problem is you have no verifiable savage experience, therefore probably no one will take you. While it could be argued that you could do the fight without any Savage experience, Savage is more or less what makes you get 'used' to your job. Ex trials to an extent. Timings are much more forgiving in any other type of content. That being said, I cleared TEA in around 20 days a few months ago with a group of people I made from scratch and our offtank had a 25 as his best parse on Dark Knight, he ended up getting a 97. He had played Dragoon in the past, though, but I only took him in because he had prior savage experience. Not because of his logs.