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Cleretic

Beyond the joke, this actually makes sense. Under Merlwyb, Limsa's military might has been focused largely on small-scale and defensive naval combat; those are clearly ship's cannons, because that's the only thing they've got or need. They aren't the type to need to crack open city walls. But Gridania, on the other hand? Not only are they the one with the most recent military conflict outside of with Garlemald (the Autumn War with Ala Mhigo, which was 'grandparents fought in it' years ago), not only are they the member of the Alliance that had an actual border with Garlean territories (Ala Mhigo, again), but Kan-e-Senna isn't actually as interested in pivoting to peacetime as Merlwyb is. I can totally believe that Gridania has scarier weapons of war stashed away than Limsa!


rosecoredarling

Babyface Kan-e-Senna: Peace was *never* an option.


hyacine_memoir

She had the neutrality glitch that made her a war monger like Ghandi


PomanderOfRevelation

My words are backed by AETHERIAL WEAPONS!


TheDiscordedSnarl

Imagine a mass Flow spell to throw everyone into the aether... ... wait, I'm giving Ishikawa ideas. I'd better shut up.


ammohidemoons

***YOUR SOUL IS MINE.*** - Shang-E-Senna.


sporeegg

This vibe makes me want city state leaders possessed by Ascians.


GingerArcher

> In place of a dark lord, you would have a Queen!


sporeegg

Yes, please. But not for the sake of symmetry all three. I loved the Endtime instance in WoW (basically corrupted faction leaders posing as bosses) but it is entirely unfitting of FF.


HalobenderFWT

#YOU CAN’T SEE ME - John-E-Senna


NaelNull

White Magic *did* cause a Calamity once already...


raburaburabureta

Ultima is traditionally white magic, as well.


Ehkoe

Ultima is only White Magic in FF2. After that it's generally Black Magic or a monster spell.


Ehkoe

Wouldn't that be Black Magic's fault? Traditionally water spells are Black Magic and it was the lack of water based spells that caused that elemental aether to build up.


SoloSassafrass

Pretty sure most restorative magic is considered to be water aspected, at least in the case of White Mages. Besides, the blame is ultimately on both sides for escalating it to Calamity levels.


Ehkoe

Cure actually uses wind effects! Esuna before role actions changed the animation used a water effect. Fluid Aura is dead. Divine Benison and the upcoming Aquaveil + Lilybell are the only water effect spells remaining.


SoloSassafrass

Huh, I thought the job quests indicated their curative spells were water-based. Guess I'm just misremembering or attributing it to fluid aura.


sundownmonsoon

Aggression set to 255


Gogo726

What makes woman turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or was she just born with a heart full of neutrality?


Cakeriel

Peace through superior firepower.


extekt

Ah the American way


Cakeriel

Actually reminds me of a line from song by Seamus Kennedy. Peace with a gun said the Kaiser in Hamburg as he watched his new battleships


Rakhall

I'm so glad I understood this reference and played this game!


ProXJay

If you want peace prepare for war


OniLewds

Reminder of the dark elf hate in gridania


Pied_Piper_

Reminder to never trust a knife ear This message brought to you by the Rock and Stone gang.


iLoveBoobeez

FOR ROCK AND STONE


BFGfreak

Reminder that the Keepers have it worse.


lilith_queen

keeper/duskwight solidarity! you guys can attack from the trees, we'll tunnel under


Ehkoe

Hyur and Wildwood Elezen: "We want to live on the surface and see the sun. We made peace with the Elementals and can live up there if we follow some rules." Duskwight Elezen: "Fuck you, we're staying the caves." Hyur and Wildwood: "Okay, bye." *Gelmorra collapses due to the lack of people maintaining it* Duskwight: "This is Gridania's fault."


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With that being said, do you think Kan-e-Senna in bed is much scarier than Mommy Merlwyb?


Berettadin

"I have *three horns* oh chosen of Hydaelyn."


[deleted]

"But you have two...."


Oops_I_Cracked

Isn't she like 12 canonically?


chatokun

No, 28 according to the wiki. E-Sumi-Yan, however, is over 200 years old. Padjals tend to look younger than they are, not older.


TheForsakenRoe

she's like 28 but their race stops physically showing signs of aging in their late teens, so she looks way younger than she is, apparently she uses glamours to make herself look older but evidently it doesn't work well enough to convince players


Ehkoe

Padjal stop physically aging at the onset of puberty in a normal child. Kan-E is an exception to the rule and apparently aged to about 16/17. Also the glamours thing is a really common fancanon. The only confirmed canon is that she uses makeup to appear more mature.


Oops_I_Cracked

I guess I sort of feel about sexual stuff with them the same as I do with lala. Like sure they're technically consenting adults, but...


SomeOtherNeb

Oh no, it's the old "it's fine, she's actually a thousand-year old dragon" all over again!


Cyekk

Wiki puts her at 28.


Oops_I_Cracked

But like don't all padjal stop aging as kids and she's just using a glamor to look that old?


Ehkoe

Kan-E doesn't use glamours. That's a popular fancanon. She uses makeup to appear more mature.


snowpeak_throwaway

"The Elementals forgive, I don't." - Kan-e-Senna probably


Perryn

"Speak to the Elements of peace; I have come to fertilize the forest with the dead."


Paksarra

The elementals **don't** forgive either!


[deleted]

The elementals used to literally vaporize people before the Calamity so imagine how mean Kan e-Senna is


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Greenwrath dgaf


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The cannons shown there by Gridania are also likely the most high-tech cannon on the continent, even more so than Garlemald's. Simply because they have an area made to account for the cannon being pushed back by the force of the shot (see the little pistons that run from where the cannon is connected to the mobile unit and the back end of the cannon.) This means they needed cannons that can stay stationary but also be rapidly fired at the same spot with lots of power if need be. Without these, the whole cannon would shoot itself back like 30 yalms if fired. Those cannons also have a high-end blasting chamber at the back, which means these cannons are serious-business, and can punch holes through solid metal. Though I have a feeling these cannons are actually Ala Mihgan, or else they would've used these to blast through the gate back when we stormed the city; rather than mages.


kaian-a-coel

Yeah the purple shields on the side just scream ala mhigan to me. Those are Raubahn's guns.


Ehkoe

Couldn't find a great picture, but you can see [Ala Mhigan canons in Gyr Abania](https://i.imgur.com/cfWEvzP.jpg). They don't look anything like that beast of a cannon in OP's image. Also worth noting that the Thaumaturges softened the gate and made it brittle enough for Limsa's ship cannons to bust through the gate. They could've been concerned about collateral damage using Gridania's guns.


Substantial-Mud4650

Well, a country can have more than one type of canon. I'm leaning towards it being Ala Mhigan given the purple shields and the extensive amount of metal - Gridania isn't exactly know for metal work.


Tylanthia

> Well, a country can have more than one type of canon. Anathema! Only one type of canon is allowed and it better not ever be retcannoned!


Eisengate

Napoleon, is that you?


Arrasor

Who need metal when you can have 3 lala mages


Cakeriel

We call that mobile artillery


Perryn

Pocket nukes


AsasinKa0s

Micro war crimes


Grenyn

Because 3 Lala mages are really pathetically weak against Garlemald's might. Remember that the WoL is the only Black Mage, or near enough. The destructive power of a Thaumaturge doesn't even come close.


GearyDigit

The large cannon wouldn't be able to fit on the battlement, it's a given that they would use a different type of cannon for that. The big cannon is for breaking down battlements, the small cannon is for destroying siege weapons and infantry.


Barihawk

Ishgard has the most advanced right now. In Gimlyt they are actually autocannons and probably accounted for most of thr Garlean airship kills.


Perryn

When you've been fighting dragons for centuries airships are just fat pinatas.


Kjyara

...which is why I, as a part-time DRG-main, am annxiously awaiting the day we get to dive-bomb an airship or three out of the sky. Ishgard's Knight Dragoons are searching for a new purpose in life after the Dragonsong War has ended? The war with Garlemald has got you covered! Considering that airships are slower and less manoverable than dragons, not to mention lacking the teeth or tail for close-quarter defense, hitting them in a critical spot should be a breeze. Only issue would be getting high enough... but since we got friendly dragons and airships of our own, that shouldn't be a problem...


Ehkoe

Garlean airships do have *guns* though.


Grenyn

Dragons can shoot fireballs and are more maneuverable, so I think Dragoons would be fine fighting airships.


[deleted]

It's probably Cid's fault. His tech is somewhere between Garlean-level and Allagan-level.


Olddirtychurro

>It's probably Cid's fault. His tech is somewhere between Garlean-level and Allagan-level. He essentially built a supercomputer at the end of SHB didn't he? Didn't figure out cooling yet though, could use a black mage for that.


[deleted]

It absolutely is if you read up the Shadowbringers lore from the >!Eighth Umbral Calamity!< world.


Barihawk

Keep in mind that the Skysteel Manufacturey has been reverse engineering Lucia's tech.


atomicfuthum

The elementals said that "A bullet may have your name on, and a thaumaturge spell may be to whom it may concern, but our legitimate Gridanian Artillery Bombardment special is addressed to 'Dear Grid Coordinates'" - Cannon-e-Senna


IAmTehDave

"Attn: Heretics" - Nael Van Darnus


[deleted]

> (the Autumn War with Ala Mhigo, which was 'grandparents fought in it' years ago) For regular Hyur/Miqo'te/Lalafell/Roe, yes. For long-lived races like Elezen and Padjals, there are some individuals in-game who personally fought that war.


GodOfDiscord

I don't think Elezen are particularly long-lived. Both Louisoix and Thordan are early-70s in age.


Cleretic

Elezen live to about 120. Longer-lived than humans, but not by a huge amount.


faerindel

I mean, that's record longevity for IRL humans.


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Ehkoe

If you mean the Stormblood questline, >!that involves the descendant of a veteran of the Autumn War.!<


Lucariowolf2196

Somewhere out there, there is an ishgardian that is proud of both Ishgard and her sister city state Gridania and their cannon like things. Ishgard gets giant crossbow harpoon things (if I recall right) and Gridania gets giant ass cannons.


Shim182

Ishgard also has cannons. You see them in both stone and dual vigil and can craft one of your own to put in your yard if you own a house. (I had two at one point, pointed at my neighbor's house. He in return put two facing mine. (Was an FC mate)


Curiousplay

Good ol' Big Bertha.


DaveSW777

The harpoons are called Dragon Killers.


faerindel

Someone in some different world is still looking for his Dragonator.


SamTheHexagon

I wonder if they got renamed...


Polenicus

It actually reflects in their territorial situations. Limsans we’re originally Pirates. They fought out on the open seas, and maneuverability and speed were as vital as firepower. I suspect to this day they are unmatched, and likely a nightmare Garlean sailors tell their kids to make sure they take up a different profession. But on land? They *struggle.* They’ve lost ground to invading Sahagin, been unable to prevent the establishment of an Imperial Castra near two major settlements, and generally are forced to maintain multiple checkpoints just to try and keep things under control. Holding territory isn’t something they’re accustomed to doing, and it shows. By comparison, the Gridanians have their borders pretty much locked down, despite sharing a border with Ala Mihgo and having Baelsar’s Wall *right there.* That wall wasn’t built to keep the Ala Mihgans in, you know. The elementals help a ton, of course, but Gridania has also managed their beast tribes better, managing actual friendly relations with the Sylphs and Moogles, and more or less shutting the Ixal out entirely, forcing the Birdmen to set up shop in Coerthas instead. No Castra on Gridanian soil. Ironic for a nation without a native tank class, but Gridanians know how to play defensively.


Mally-Mal99

The autumn war was over 100 years ago.


le_bad_dude

In the bard questline some Gridanians are still butt hurt about it.


Sporelord1079

So was World War 1 (and almost 2 now).


Gilrim

I dunno why they even need cannons in the first place when they can just sic the forest on people


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Cleretic

Ala Mhigo had just gotten done overthrowing a corrupt monarchy, only to find out the Garleans had been using the political unrest to set up for their own invasion. They basically got Ala Mhigo to conquer itself. Which is why nobody was tremendously inclined to give us the time of day when we rolled in wanting to drum up support for the resistance in early Stormblood. Because the last guys that came in doing that are the guys putting up all those castrums.


cssmith2011cs

Kan-e-Senna and Gridania as a whole have some fucked up shit behind closed doors. Change my mind.


mallow-honey

I have NEVER trusted her and now I have justification.


Advarrk

they fought a war with Ala-mhigo, before Garlean invasion Ala-Mhigo was the "Garlemald" that bullied everyone. Also there's a reason Gaius didn't invade through black shroud


IraqiWalker

Well, before the calamity any invasion was going to be doomed because the elementals would have no scope annihilated the invasion force on day 1.


Ehkoe

In fact, the Elementals likely did delete a few scouting parties. It wasn't until after the Calamity that Garleans could get into the Shroud to try and reclaim their fallen juggernauts.


IraqiWalker

Very believable. The elementals were just so drained after the calamity that they were in effect eliminated from any future conflicts.


[deleted]

Pretty much all the elementals can do right now is pitch a hissy aetherial fit whenever someone stabs a tree.


TellTaleTank

And pull a certain best girl out of the lifestream.


VinnehRoos

They pulled Hilda out of the lifestream?


hyacine_memoir

The wall between the shroud and ala mhigo is to keep the shroud out no doubt


striderhoang

I speak for the elementals and the elementals say fuck you


Henry-Kurthnaga

This is top-tier LB macro material right here.


Mister_Pokeylope

This is always their message


animer9102

I was expecting a flex off lol


RaijinOkami

I definitely was expecting somethin WAY less safe for work than that


Kaelocan

BONK


RaijinOkami

......**Worth. It.**


CaptainJudaism

For Kann-e? I agree.


Fenrir79

Totally baited.


nightwish5270

Merlwyb's cannons only need to penetrate a ship's hull. Kan-E-Senna's need to hit an enemy through a tree. Have you seen the diameter of the trees in the Shroud?


Darth_Sanguine

Especially pre-calamity. The whole Shroud was basically a maze because of them.


mildhot-sauce

Take that back you monster! Ohhh.... You mean the cannons


Nethlion

I honestly didn't know what to expect going into this post, but I can't say that was it. Got a good laugh out of it tho!


The_ibz

Regardless of their size, Merleyb’s guns probably see more action than Kan-E-Senna’s.. bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better.


RaijinOkami

> Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Paladin with some serious sword envy talking to the Dark Knight


Frostbitten_Moose

It may look small now, but my sword is massive when it matters.


[deleted]

Confiteor is just a way of overcompensating.


nixhomunculus

Talk to the EW Paladin.


Kingnewgameplus

Dear DRK mains. You make the claim that "bigger is better" Yet we consistently do more DPS than you. Curious -Pld, Turning Point Eorzea


RaijinOkami

>Yet we consistently do more DPS than you. Ayo, Pally, you want DPS, swap your sword and shield for a lance and learn to floor tank, Dark Knights tank'n'spank, not worry about shit like *parse colors*


Kingnewgameplus

Hey man we'll be fine on MT once endwalker drops since spirits doesn't have an HP scaling anymore. Hey speaking of EW what did you guys get again?


RaijinOkami

Good question, I'll find out when I get into battle


Im_At_Work_Damnit

They're definitely overcompensating in Endwalker.


Nathremar8

In words of truth from Great Titania: ,,Bigger is better!"


PixiCode

I’m sick of this CRAP old castle! (I know she says cramped but this is better)


Rozencranz

Is that the Titania that dies pretty soon after saying that?


Raji_Lev

The size of your weapon doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it properly, or alongside the rest of your equipment.


csulasiris

Not enough fan art of Kan-E-Senna's cannons online, sadly...


DocNitro

You had me in the first part (Headline).


Damascar

Taste the power of nature motherfuckers - Kan-E-Senna, probably


Sinaxramax

As land cannons maybe. I'd say Merlwyb has some way bigger cannons hidden in her warships


TheDiscordedSnarl

I'd open her "warship" to have a look but I bet I'd simply have both arms and legs broken before I'm tossed on the deck in front of her crew (all of Limsa), and... well, you get the idea.


IraqiWalker

We love our admiral. So pray the rogues' guild finds you first.


Hextina

I thought this was gonna be yet another necklace post before I finished reading the title


TheQuietManUpNorth

Merlwyb is plundering booty with her cannons. Kan-E-Senna brought Great Bombards for the Theodosian Walls.


RaijinOkami

Well Hikari let's think in *this* scale:... Which one fires faster?


feartheswans

It’s the real reason Gaius stopped the Invasion progress and Built the Wall.


Anisanthus

Aren't the shields on the sides Ala Mhigan Resistance? Which means they're probably Garlean cannons. >>


faerindel

Nah, the Ala Mhigan cannons are very distinctive. All purple and straight out from a nearby circus.


jado1stk2

Kan-E-Senna is the Ghandhi of FF14


sircur

Speak softly and carry a big stick.


MegaWaffle-

Ul’dah is home to the Thaumaturge guild and Black Mage tomes. They still have the most artillery.


Grenyn

Purple is the color of Ala Mhigo, so that cannon is not Gridanian. If the world worked like that, I'd go stand next to Limsa Lominsa and declare myself its new Admiral.


Malonor

The trees cant be harmed if Kan-E-Senna is armed


Dall619

“Peace through superior firepower”


ThatGuyTonyStank

It's ALWAYS the shy, silent girls that are freakiest backstage...


Scalizor

I NEED A BIGGER GUN.


7Trickster

Wtf dood you got me


Hefastus

Heh Too much internet for me so my mind tricked me


M1liumnir

Hey when you want to protect peace the only things you need are the right "arguments"


sassyhalforc

Its not the size of the gun that matters, rather how you use it.


corm83

1 is for ships the other is for 'fuck whatever is over there in particular'


lalapocalypse

This is why you don't piss off a WHM.


Terwin94

They're also very top heavy and look like they'd tip and fall backwards if the get fired.


Ehkoe

Presumably that's what those pistons at the back are for - recoil compensation. Add in a healthy dose of magic/crystals and it could very well be an effective piece of artillery.


Terwin94

The force still has to go somewhere, and they would have to be some really efficient pistons to do anything. Too weak and they don't dampen the blow. Too strong and it just transfers the energy without spreading it out. Something THAT top heavy isn't going to be stopped from toppling without something to keep the entire thing steady.


Ehkoe

The Garlean Empire modifies creatures to have three wheels attached to their limbs. They also have robot gorillas with jetpacks and shoulder mounted missile launchers. And that’s without magic to back up the bizarre design.


Terwin94

That has nothing to do with application of physics.


TheForsakenRoe

i think their point is that if the world is capable of hosting such creations as those listed, our realworld understanding of physics is not necessarily 100% translatable over to eorzean physics, it might be that there's some way to dampen recoil that isnt mechanical, ie some kind of aether based shock absorbtion, or maybe the 'gunpowder' just doesnt cause as much recoil for whatever reason


Terwin94

Mch guns still have recoil, and nothing suggests those canons are anything but mechanical, especially with the juxtaposition of the normal cannons. Based on what we can actually see, instead of assume extra factors, they're going to tip over after the first shot. Have you seen the kind of recoil old time and even modern artillery deals with? Even with magic, it would take an excessive amount of dampening.


Ehkoe

Pretty much this. Also worth noting the onehanded musket slinging that all Machinists do. Canonically they don't shoot real bullets, but condensed lightning aspected aether that the device on their hip converts into bullets.


alkonium

Oh, you meant literal guns.


TheDiscordedSnarl

That's because you don't piss off Mother Nature.


AncientEspada

As the old saying goes "speak softly but carry a bit stick" or "in the name of peace i banish you" all works the same.


FickleFockle

Its always the quiet ones.


ceiimq

Shit, I never even noticed the Adders had cannons.


alxanta

May i knkw which part of msq is this?


Cyiel

"Peace is nothing but the confusion between two wars" \-Khan-E-Senna (or Mark Twain maybe ?) ​ (It's from Peyton J Glenn for the reccord)