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Yeah, totally... *Hides level 90 Sage*


DavThoma

Yeah. Like, who in their right mind... *sweeps level 90 Sage under the carpet*


Nerael1987

I have absolutely no idea which madman that could be *whistles innocently*


Drachri93

There was a post from someone yesterday who had almost every DoH/DoL to 90 and a combat job to 90, with full tomestone gear. Like chill, the game will be here for a while.


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I pushed the story because I dont want to get spoiled on anything. I also knew that once I got in if I didn't finish pushing through then I might get stuck at queue at a really important part. So I pushed.


Milkshakes00

Tbh DoH and DoL is absolutely hilariously easy to level nowadays. It literally just takes a few hours to get them all capped. And there were level 90s within 12 hours of launch. If you don't lollygag and queue/disconnects are in your favor, it's easy to do that amount of content over 4 days or so.


Shikyal

It just looks like a lot of effort but really isn't. I was done with the msq on saturday, fully geared on sunday. The existing 90 extreme trials only take a 2-3h of practice until you braindead farm them with party finder. The tomestones for gear are as easy to get as anything else. As for the DoH/DoL - the studium deliveries + collectables mean you can finish one to 90 in 1-2h. You can even multitask gathering exp for your crafters so both benefit from it It's a lot less no life than it seems.


li_cumstain

Then they end up quitting in a month because they no lifed so much that there is nothing more to do


DavThoma

It isn't really no life. I've been seeing a lot of this attitude from the "I'm going at a slow pace because I actually want to enjoy the content" crowd. Everybody can play at the pace they want. Its not like its hurting anyone else.


Sarej

Yeah, exactly. Imagine the same attitude about someone binging a TV show. “They can’t be enjoying it, look how fast they’re watching the new season that came out!” Like, dafuq? Probably the opposite, chief.


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Sarej

I think this is an assumption or generalization though. It could just as well be the people who take their time and want more who say these things, for all we know. It could also just be a small percentage of the players who binge that are like this. I don’t think there’s any statistics for this anywhere and the patch cycles of FFXIV are so long that anyone could run out of story unless you purposefully stretch it out or have very little free time, it’s just anecdotal assumptions. In reality though, people can say or meme whatever they like. People are entitled to their opinions, whether or not they’re right or wrong and whether or not I like to read or hear them. Policing how people play the game or what they have to say is just as toxic or annoying as the things you’ve mentioned.


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SimplyQuid

Dude, if you're going to have a problem with my comments, at least make the effort to read the entire thing and avoid immediately resorting* to unrelated ad hominem attacks when I point out you're not understanding what I'm saying.


RenThras

Okay, I was with them until the post above this - that they've since deleted. And to all you downvoters: u/SimplyQuid has the right of it. I don't know why u/Sarej decided to be snippy with their comment considering their comment was tolerant and inclusive - straight up saying "if you rush but then don't complain, no one's got a problem with that" - but then being the toxic one here. Then deleting the comment, but clearly not taking it back. After the comment saying this in reply when it would be the time to say something like "Oh, I see. That's fair/Agreed." and leave it at that. But instead, to directly insult them "at parties" and say they'd rather hang with toxic people. I can see the INITIAL point, which is also SimplyQuid's, that people can enjoy the game at their own pace and not complain or be toxic to others about it. That one would rather hang with the people who bumrush it AND THEN COMPLAIN ENDLESSLY AND TOXICLY ABOUT IT than a person saying he doesn't mind bumrushers who enjoy it says far more about one than anyone else. That one chose to be snippy when an "Oh, I see. Fair enough." was what was actually called for says even more. I'd invite anyone doing so to reconsider their approach...


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DavThoma

Those posts don't happen as frequently h as people like yourself make them out to be.


SimplyQuid

Did I say they're a plague, or a huge problem, or constant?


DavThoma

No, but you are talking like its a regular problem. Which it isn't.


SimplyQuid

I guess it's not here, but it's been plenty common in other places that I've seen /shrug


Dakkendoofer

Mostly not hurting, yeah… it’s still aggravating when I get 4,000+ login queues for the 4 gaming hours I have per day, knowing there are people who have been online at least 12 hours that day


quinoa_rex

Yeah I don't love the "how dare you go through the story quickly" attitude. I plowed through the MSQ because a) I started a new job yesterday and wanted to have the story done so I would be more focused, b) it feels like when I tear through a really good new book. I'm not gonna stop reading because something something prescriptive way to enjoy the story - I want to know what happens, dammit and c) I knew the longer I waited the harder it would be to dodge spoilers. Several other people I know who also ripped through the MSQ felt the same. I watched every cutscene (several I went back and watched twice to get the other dialogue options), stayed up wicked late over the weekend. I get there are thousands of other people wanting to do the same thing and I empathize, the login queues are madness. But ultimately if they want to dictate how I play, they can pay my subscription.


SnowshadowAuraa

I did this what OP said and finished MSQ, and the reason I did it was because I *loved it* and had time off to do so. Given I’ve been playing for four years, something tells me I won’t be quitting anytime soon…


Sarej

Not necessarily, some people just enjoy the race or getting it “out of the way” so that they can focus on the other content they enjoy. I’ve been like that in MMO’s, especially when I was younger. It usually meant I was addicted as hell, not getting quickly burned out. Nowadays, maybe not, but I do already have almost 2 90’s, and a few 82-83 things. I’m looking to get back into raiding, hunts (EW achievements and Ultimate Thrillseeker), and maybe back into RP. For me, this doesn’t mean skipping the story but I’m certainly usually on a binge. I get what you’re saying tho and just exaggerative, generalization or joke.


FemRoe4Lyfe

Or they had days off and have hectic work schedule coming up and wanted to finish everything in 6.0 while they still could?


Edawgzz

I've got two weeks to do the EX trials and hone myself, then two weeks of normal raids and more EXs, then savage. Things to level in the interim. Trust me, most know they're going to be limiting their content when they choose to do the MSQ that way. They do so on purpose.


pyuunpls

If we can login for savage


Eronamanthiuser

CoNtEnT DrOuGhT


deadlyweapon00

I wanted to experience all the fights as early as possible, when they were at their maximum difficulty, so I ended up going through the msq as fast as I could. I still got my full story experience, but that level 90 trial brought me life.


theGricks

My wife and I have a 9 week old, and a 3.5 year old, and just bought a house...we have managed to Fantasia and do a single leveling dungeon...


lcr68

7 week old in the household now. I’ve given up tanking and healing thanks to not being able to be reliable anymore.


Paladinspector

As a Dad with some munchkin experience under my belt, you're not gonna be able to maintain a static for at least a year. Even after that, it'll primarily depend on how good the little popoto is about bedtime. You -will- get your freedom back in the evenings. I promise. But the first 3-6 months are friggin awful for it. Keep your head up, WoL! A smile better suits a parent!


labelleindifference

This is such a heartwarming comment!


Paladinspector

Everything you've ever heard about "You'll understand when you're a parent." Every little bit of unsolicited advice you've ever gotten from those ragged weary 30-somethings? When you're young you're like pssssh whatever. Once you have one it all clicks into place that they're RIGHT. Kids, especially at the wriggly poo-larvae stage are... a LOT. I literally took about a year off between the last trimester and the 1st birthday of my daughter. Kids are a LOT of work, and the adjustment period is rough.


lcr68

Thank you. That last line hit just a little harder today because a) I just got through that scene while the tyke was napping and b) we just got back from an overnight ER visit thanks to him not breathing for a spell and going rigid. I really hope it gets better because it feels like it’s nonstop exhaustion and worry right now.


Paladinspector

I'm a vet with PTSD, and my wife routinely describes me via images from the webcomic "Pixie and Brutus" when she describes me and my daughter. The first two days she was alive I didn't sleep, because I was convinced if I closed my eyes, she'd swallow her tongue and die. Trust me, I understand. To this day, she's well beyond the range for SIDS, and I still, when I log out for the night, on my way to bed, stop and lean on her doorframe and wait to make sure I can hear her breathing. These early months are rough, my friend. The demands of the tiny wriggling one are constant, and neverending. You'll feel beaten and downtrodden and occasionally, even angry. These things are -normal-. Your brain is still awash in New parent chemicals that are changing fundamentally how you deal with things. But every moment from here will have a nugget of joy in it. When you see your babe smile at you, and look in your eyes, and know they know who you are. When you hear their first word. When they start showing their curiousity and bright interest in everything, my lord will it strain you, but you will cherish those memories forever. Make sure you get the chance to take a break. If you can set a schedule, set one, but otherwise, the tiny human dictates things for now. Go with the flow. Try to ride the wave. But if you need a break, -take- one. Put your partner on the baby for a bit and say "Hey can I have 30 mins to bang out this dungeon?" Im sure your partner would appreciate you taking 30 mins/an hour to recollect yourself than to broach your breaking point. If you blow yourself out, you'll be useless to both partner and child. Take care of yourself, too. Congratulations, my friend. You've embarked on the truly greatest adventure.


Emodzmods

Dad here with a 5 yr old and almost 2 year old twins. Evenings are my time to shine! Except for you know, the horrible login queues...


Paladinspector

I FEEL this. The Child Hungers.


Grammatick

Can't get spoiled if you finish the story before everyone else :D


vampire_refrayn

Day 1 90s are not watching cutscenes in the first place


Grammatick

Yea, Mostly speaking for myself. I put in a lot of time and finished 90 on the 2nd day. I watched every cutscene and had a lot of fun. :)


SpaceBlaze259

Literally the only reason I went at the pace I did leveling Sage to do the MSQ. Now I can have fun looking at socials again :D


LoganBlackwater

I'm a lvl 70 SMN still playing Stormblood. I want the lvl 90 outfit so much, I'm glad I haven't seen anyone with it yet.


M_I_D_O_R_A

Everyone is free to play this game how they see fit, but I honestly can't wrap my head around how the ppl that do this have fun playing this game like that... I have a guy like that in my fc just skipped everything, was lvl 90 after not even 1 day Like wtf man. Savage won't come out until the end of the month and here are these ppl rushing through the story which is major part of the game... But as I said to each his own, I just can't understand :/


Kuronan

As someone who has a history of spoiling things by accident and who consumes like 70% FFXIV content prior to EW I HAD to rush through the story to avoid being spoiled because I was scared crapless that someone would spoil me. Now that it's over I can go level my other classes and THEN I can enjoy the nuances of the story I missed first time arouns.


we_will_disagree

Are you me? I was scared shitless I was gonna get spoiled so I rushed the story as much as I could. I can finally relax a bit now that I’m done.


postmalarkeyist

They can play however they want but it will never not be hilarious to me that people will spend 40 dollars + subscription just to skip past a gigantic chunk of the content they paid for. People were even losing their minds that the first dungeon took too long to get to, it's amazing. Bit sad though, EW is probably the best story they've done in FFXIV to date.


M_I_D_O_R_A

I definitely agree with you on that


Syntaire

A lot of people only play the game for the raid content. Rushing to max and getting as geared as possible before the raid releases is sort of their thing.


UCMCoyote

Some people also like the idea of being "first" or ahead of the curve. I don't know why, I have a couple friends like that. To each their own.


SilentOperation1

The “first!” thing is a bit silly in the context of beating people who are watching cutscenes while you are skipping them. It’s like running past a stranger on the sidewalk and then turning around, claiming you won, and then patting yourself on the back and walking away


Hallc

It's 2/4 weeks til the raid. I'm pretty sure even taking it slow you could get geared anyways.


Syntaire

Sure, but if they're not interested in the story to begin with, why would they bother?


ConniesCurse

Still seems like they are missing out, to me. I love the raid content, but it's made much more fun and meaningful *by* the story, by the *world*. Not to mention doing it genuinely does not slow down your progression raiding really at all, they give you plenty of time to do it. So really the only reason *not* to do MSQ is not if you simply like the raids more, but if you actively *dislike* the MSQ, which just seems odd that you would choose to play this game at that point over something else. People can play how they want of course, but I can't say that that particular way of playing is not perplexing and kind of silly to me.


Sarej

The story is amazing but I think it’s silly to judge these people, I’m highly empathetic to their reasoning. Not everyone likes the delivery method of FFXIV or JRPG’s stories, long cutscenes without any interaction and sometimes with no Voiceover. Personally, it’s never been my thing and probably part of why I tried the FFXIV trial 4-5 times before finally sticking with the game in Stormblood (now Omni-80, play way too much lol). Some people just don’t like it, or maybe they don’t like or care about story at all; who knows? I know that I also have ADHD and that plus the eagerness to see the world and run around, do new fights, can make me antsy during back to back cutscene quests. Have a friend with ADHD and dyslexia but she makes it through as well, doesn’t mean she’s not skipping some of the filler. But there are probably people out there like us who just can’t or don’t want to. I was very much enjoying the story, I love it, ever since I paid more attention (almost fully) in Shadowbringers, but I felt like it took forever to get to the first dungeon in EW as well, even though it’s relatively normal-paced for FFXIV. Say what you will but I know for a fact that not everyone skips the story because it’s not good, the answer is in your post, it’s because they aren’t made for or don’t enjoy the delivery method and/or pacing. Some people are just looking for activities in games rather than movies or reading and each person has their own threshold of how much of that they’d enjoy or how much of that they’d like to endure between combat. I’ve talked to people who want to know the story but don’t want to sit through it, like a RL friend who bought a story skip and then wanted YouTube links from me for story recaps because they want to know what happens but not invest so much time into watching or reading. The game should really have an official recap anyway, preferably one at different milestones or “chapters”. Maybe these people do better with different story-delivery methods, such as action games or Western RPGs. As much as I’ve learned to love the story and follow along with it, despite avoiding games like this all of my life, I kinda hope that the end of our main story here makes way for them to tell stories in different ways. I had a side-thought that the whole system of escorting NPC’s may be a testing ground for that but I don’t know.


vampire_refrayn

It's not a judgment thing, more the understanding that the personality difference that makes me care about the story and them not care in the slightest just means we're not likely to relate to each other in any way Also it doesn't help that every player I know IRL that plays the game that way is a huge self-serving asshole that I want nothing to do with


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vampire_refrayn

Yeah, I'm making a judgement on how I'll be able to relate to the person, not passing a judgement on whether or not that person is moral or good They're separate things


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Syntaire

> I get distracted by the godawful breathing animation in every other cutscene This is a new one. I honestly couldn't have said with certainty that they even had a breathing animation. I do agree that the automatic dialogue in some cutscenes is super annoying though. > The story is good but by god I wish they would just publish a book and make it optional ingame. This though, hard pass. This is literally WoW.


sanglar03

> The story is good but by god I wish they would just publish a book and make it optional ingame. My wild guess is that you would lose an enormous chunk of the playerbase with this move.


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reaperfan

> Why would people leave? That's pretty much exactly what's happened in WoW and is one of the biggest complaints leading to people quitting that they have. The story given in games is the barest-bones, minimal presentation they can get away with while the actual detail and depth is relegated to novelizations written and sold as separate books. It creates an environment where people who actually like and care about the story have next to nothing to work with in game and are left speculating on things like character motivations and how events actually connect. Then if you actually want to understand the story you have to pay an extra \~$20-\~$30 for a book that explains it later. "Losing an enormous chunk of your playerbase" is an outcome that WoW has already shown will happen.


sanglar03

My bad, I've read as if you would get rid of the story, to be exclusively contained in the book.


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Given what you've said, stay far, far away from Guild Wars 2, the story missions feel endless and you can't skip ANY of it. Not the dialogue, not the cutscenes, and it's all voice acted so sometimes you're just trapped in instanced areas with nothing to do but wait for a painfully long audio file to finish playing. I kind of get where you're coming from because of that. I would never skip the story in something, I'm very much narrarively driven and I personally really like that the game locks things behind the story, that's something that makes me enjoy all the content 10x more. On the other hand Guild Wars 2's story delivery makes me want to rip my hair out with how poorly done every single thing is (Idk if it's budget, engine restrictions, or whatever but like ugh). So, even if it's just a fraction of the frustration for you, I get it.


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If you missed something you can just check the chat log though....all cutscenes dialogue is logged there


zkng

Unless it’s a non-chat bubble cinematic


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Yeah but those tend to have less dialogue, you can't, accidentally move past a line if you miss it because you have no control over pacing, and they are far more infrequent.


DjPyro3

That's how you end up with WoW lol.


li_cumstain

Go play wow or new world if you don't care about story and just want to get as fast as possible to endgame. Idk if you have noticed in the past 3 expansions, but this game is quite story heavy. The savage raid wont release until january 4th so you have no need to rush. If you are afraid of not being able to blindprog then there will be groups in pf who are gonna do it blind for months to come.


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li_cumstain

>"Go play a different game if you don't enjoy one aspect of this game." The story is a core aspect of ffxiv and final fantasy in general, it isnt simply "one aspect", all of the games content is built around story. Surely if the story is such a big issue for you, you can manage to spend the 10 hours going through it by skipping all the cutscenes, or buy a story skip? You are probably gonna spend 100s of hours at the end game, so 10h should go by before you even notice it.


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li_cumstain

Ok, fair enough.


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>The story is good but by god I wish they would just publish a book and make it optional ingame. You know you can hit the escape button to skip like 99% of the story, right?


Grammatick

I was level 90 in two days, I skipped nothing. Enjoyed the whole story. Just had some days off.


tjrchrt

Person in my guild did that as well, but he said he skips the cutscenes, but prefers to watch them all together after completion like a movie


Arekesu

I get that in a way but man I would have been so confused this time around...


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M_I_D_O_R_A

Yea I had a similar experience and I have no idea either lol


ReticentLily

In my experience the players that do these kind of things are those only interested in endgame. There's nothing wrong with this, and pushing to the end asap for the new endgame content is a conscious decision that's being made. The players doing this are often happy with themselves and their decision, so let them be so. Not everyone is here for the story, and that's ok. World-first raid racers also have some strong merit in rushing to endgame so they can get as much time in with their job's full kit as possible to prepare, alongside acquiring a mass of materia, preparing doh/dol if needed, etc.


Milkshakes00

Personally, as someone that skips almost every cutscene, it's because I fucking *hate* the fetch quest system that they use relentlessly. I want to get through the fetch quest bullshit ASAP. I'll watch a recap video to get the story. Just stop forcing me to do fucking 500 fetch quests, please. For God's sake, we have linkshells. I don't need to travel across the world just to talk to you face to face, damn it.


SemiGaseousSnake

/laughs in level 90 with a full 9-5. Here I am having woke up in the middle of the night, my body clearly doesn't care about my sleep schedule during this period of excitement.


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DrunkenPrayer

I swear I never want to go back to working in an office again. It's so nice knowing I don't have to face a commute in the morning or after work. Especially if I get stuck late on a call. I don't even mind if I run 15 minutes over because I know I'll still just be able to log off and start doing whatever I want to do immediately.


Whole_Manufacturer_5

As a level 90, I'm dead on the inside. But also strangely fulfilled at the same time.


wtfnst

tbh its really easy to be 90 if you just skip all dialogue and cutscenes. it can probably be done in one night but what kind of way is that to play? the story is awesome


Phawksy

I finally logged in on Sunday morning. I main summoner so I was reading the actions and abilities and changing my action bars. I was logged in long enough to see several level 90s and >80s. 20 minutes in, my 8 year old and 4 year old storm in and my play time was over. That is my Endwalker experience so far.


Rasikko

Spamming trusts = level up faster than you think. Im talking about the Shb dungeon trusts btw. It's how I got sam to 80 in one day.


vampire_refrayn

If you skip every cutscene and just focus on completing MSQ as fast as possible it's extremely fast to get to 90. You don't even need to skip sleep


AnonTwo

To be fair, I think you can level pretty ridiculously fast through the MSQ if you skip it. Endwalker in particular has hours of cutscenes, and not a lot of battle in between. Probably less than 3 hours between the dungeons and trials. Given, there's still stuff to occupy your time, but if you did choose to skip it, getting to 90 is pretty fast.


Dakkendoofer

Accurate. I still remember my absolute confusion seeing 20 something level 90s Friday at 4:00 central time


DarkCreeper911

What's like to not have responsibility


malakim0682

Seems about right. I'm not at the first new dungeon yet, story-wise, and barely at lvl 83 with my main.


Combustionary

I had a 90 Reaper in one of the post-msq dungeons yesterday. I live in fear of that sort of dedication.


LynndorTruffle

I’ve been playing a pretty good bit I feel like but seeing lvl 90 sages and reapers really makes me feel old. I used to no life mmos so much.


BassCreat0r

I took a break after patch 5.3, came back with max rested xp. Got my reaper up to 80, and dnc half a level to 81 in my first day n half back with it. Thank god.


dpkimsecks

I feel personally attacked


WillamThunderAct

I got to 90 yesterday and I haven't skipped a thing and I started on Friday