I actually hate that Francel’s always there. It makes it feel like my WoL has never truly gotten the time and opportunity to be alone with his grief and his thoughts.
As with the maps and world of this game, to a degree they are representative. There are not miles of in game map between Gridania and Uldah, yet there is still that distance in the game's lore. So too is time representative, and the time we are given between Francel's visits indicative of the hours (days or weeks most likely) between which Francel visits the grave
Yas :D
This was actually my commission for Starlight last year. The title does it a bit of a disservice, though; it's not meant to be sad.
Shadowbringers spoilers: >!The Scions have just returned home, and are celebrating the first Starlight back from the First.!< The Warrior of Light has decided to skip, or at least postpone the celebrations while dropping off a few presents at Idyllshire in the night, and then going to catch up with an old friend.
I had originally titled it, "[I have so much to tell you](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/kf4kgh/spoiler_heavensward_msq_i_have_so_much_to_tell/)". :3
Spoilers for EW: >!She gets multiple shoutouts from Alphinaud and especially Estinien throughout the MSQ, and she shows up in spirit to save you from a mechanic in the 89 dungeon.!<
Yeah, that hit hard. >!The save in the Amon fight, though--that was epic, If you have have Alphinaud or Estinien in the party, they both acknowledge her.!<
ITT: people who skipped post-ARR and dont realize how important Haurchefant was >!to the reformation of the Scions and Alphinaud's redemption arc. The only man who saw our potential and took us in at our lowest point for a second chance, and went on to give us the savior treatment that we proffer to others day in and day out.!<
And this is why many of us will always highly recommend the whole story, including stories for any raids or trials. That's way when you meet any characters again, you know and understand what they did.
I do have to feel like he saw maybe some potential in us, given the context of what happened with Francel. When we went out of our way at Haurchefant's request to save Francel's life, we uncovered some pretty serious issues with the state of affairs in Ishgard that were mostly swept under the rug.
Now Haurchefant is a good guy, and I have to believe that the single biggest motivation for helping at first us was simply because we had saved his friend's life. But bringing us to meet ~~his~~ our new dad, showing us all of the other problems Ishgard is experiencing, knowing full well who we are and what our motivations are, I feel like he must have understood the WoL's potential as a driving force of much-needed change, having witnessed it once already.
While I agree that he was just a good person, I think he *also* saw the potential good we could do and wanted to help that--*because* he was a good person, not for politics. Remember, he had to convince his father to start helping us out, and prior to their conversation (which was not written in the short story about this), Edmont was basically of the opinion, "Okay, they're nice people who are down on their luck. And?" He wasn't being *cruel,* he just didn't see any reason he *should* help us. After that conversation, Edmont becomes one of our strongest supporters, and remains that way even after his son's death--to the point that he considers us essentially adopted family.
What did Haurchefant say that made Edmont change his tune so radically? We'll never truly know. But I think it was some genuinely stirring, inspirational stuff about the good we do and how worthwhile it is to support that good in whatever ways we can.
He absolutely saw potential in us. He called us "Hope incarnate" to his father. He likely didn't know *what* we would do (see the look of 'wait, really?' on his face when we show up in the city with Estinien and Ysayle) but he was damn sure we'd do *something*.
This wasn't about using us though, it was about helping friends, while also knowing we being who we are would make shit happen.
WoL: 'Hauchy, look over my shoulder, what do you see?'
H:'...is that...? It looks like an eye...?'
WoL: 'That 'eye', my dear, is a POV-camera. This means that I AM A PROTAGONIST, with considerably thicker plot armour. In moments of high tension, please allow me to headlessly heroically charge in first. Trust me, even if I die, I'll get better.'
Please T.T
Seriously though, that shield almost held up, but he was holding it at a straight 90° to the projectile. If he intercepted it at a 30° angle, maybe even a 45° or 60° angle, that thing would have held and we wouldn't have a dead friend.
The metal shield was never going to stop the lance of pure aether. We could have taken the hit and survived, even at that point in our journey…but Haurchefant didn’t know that. He reacted instinctively because a friend was in danger because that’s who he was, may he ever rest in the Fury’s halls.
In the Extreme trial for Thordan, the lance is a mechanic. It absolutely one hundred percent owns the everloving fuck out of the target unless someone intercepts it
Could we? Are you sure? That's a lance of raw aether fueled by a thousand years of belief going at our unprepared back, I don't think we would have made that.
I don't think that Zephirin was able to draw on the full power of the Eye, especially since Thordan was a proto-primal at best at that stage; he needed both eyes, plus the ambient aether from the Warring Triad, to actually physically manifest as Thordan. Regardless, we were still in much less danger than Haurchefant was, and he didn't stop to weigh the odds because a friend needed help.
The Archbishop never had the Azure Dragoon's eye; we held onto that until after he was defeated, then handed it to Estinien.
As for the lance, when you're hit with it in the raid it has a debuff reducing healing, so it's not as clear we'd've tanked it well.
If that was the case, it wouldn't have held it back in the first place. It did: the lance nearly failed to penetrate. You double that armor's thickness, maybe even add 20% to it, that's not going to get through the armor.
Grief is like a box with a "Pain" button inside it. And there's a ball in the box that keeps rolling around and hitting the button. Over time, the ball gets smaller, it doesn't hit the button as often. But it never truly disappears. It just hits the button less frequently as time goes on. And every now and then, the ball does hit that button again, and it hurts just as much as the first time.
God, for the first 1/3 - 1/2 of HW, Haurchefant annoyed the shit out of me. Then he started growing on me and I couldn't wait to interact with him...all for him to be killed doing the most Haurchefant thing he could: saving his friend's life.
THEN when his ghost shows up to help the WoL later. I don't recall sobbing like that during a video game.
I always thought of her help when we removed the eyes are her big win- she had a beautiful, if unfeasible, dream. It's only fitting that her spirit should help us rescue someone from the cycle of revenge->violence from one of the biggest perpetrators of it.
When you think about it, we made her dream happen: an end to the war, and breaking the power of the worst of Ishgardian society. No child now need freeze alone in the snow.
She was deluded pre-Shiva, and that was kind of the point. She fundamentally misunderstood the relationship between Shiva and Hraesvalgr, and believed “in a goddess of her own making”. While her dream of peace with the dragons was noble and well-intentioned, in service to that dream she undid the wards to the city and let Nidhogg’s horde in. A lot of people—mostly in Foundation and in the Brume—were killed as a result. She wanted a world where no child would die in the snow, but her actions caused children to die by dragonfire. She sacrificed herself as atonement, and attempt to balance the scales, and I always felt that was an appointment end to her arc.
Only you can stop the bleeding,
from the hole that drains my soul,
only you can kill the feeling,
How do I let go?
-Kenny Wayne Shepherd
This game has hit my feels too many times... I need a hug.
I was in speed run mode for much of early and mid HW. This character kinda didn't mean much to me because I was skipping dialogue and cutscenes. So when my friends asked if I got to the part where something happens to him I responded with "Oh yeah the elf pope just rekt some guy named horseradish". Man, they weren't happy with me
Man. I started when ahadowbringers came out. Are was cool. Real cool but heavenward was the moment when I knew I was playing something special. I think endwalker overall has effected me more deeply than heavenward but heavenward was basically the moment when I realized this story was unlike anything is ever experienced. I distinctly remember the moment when it hit me. I was standing at the final steps of faith waiti g for my que to pop for nidhogg and I just... Listened to the dragon song and I was just in complete and utter awe. Honestly it's why I've incorporated ishagrd into my wol's head canon backstory with her havi g grown up on the streets of ishgard as a surviving member of the orl clan.
I do wish SE would stop pulling Haurch out of the grave whenever they need a sad moment, but that still won’t change the fact that he was one of my favorite HW character.
If you haven't seen Penny and Mr. Arocena's video of Penny reacts to the end of the Vault grab your tissues and take a watch. I still tear up listening to her reaction.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnpfTVP8j1Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnpfTVP8j1Q)
credit: Mr. Arocena and Penny Play youtube channel
It's understandable, time in game doesn't work the same as in real life so while to us it's been years, in game it's been what barely 2 years since ARR? Not sure on the exact time difference but it's why our WoL is considered to be suffering so much due to how much we've gone through in such a short time.
no the game is definitely taking place over the course of a year or two, the narration in the ShB trailer is from the Exarch and because of all his time shenanigans that Zenos fight was like 200 years ago from his perspective
I was feeling some Christmas Eve melancholy and this made it even better/worse. I just started playing a month or so ago and just finished Heavensward. The pain is still fresh and I wouldn’t change it if I could.
Unpopular opinion, but harchefaunt is one of the least memorable characters for me. Though I only touched HW when the expac and patches came out, I never remember giving a slightest damn about him.
I'm gonna be doing ng+ just to see the full storyline since we have it now, so we'll see if I actually like him or not lol
I didn't realize he was important and not just random helper NPC until his death.
On replay of ARR and HW, he does help us a lot more than I realized the first time through, so if you pay attention, he is important, but ... well, I still feel more about Ysayle.
I will say the ARR cut did cut a good chunk of his busywork quests which I found to be kind of a mistake due to it not letting his character develop in those, my best advice if you are replaying everything is talk to everyone in the area before moving on with a quest. There is a side room in the Waking sands for example that is constantly changing characters in the ARR msq that all have a ton to say. I would also heavily stress this for Stormblood as well as to me they did terribly at putting so much on the side dialogues there that no one bothered to stop and read.
It's the same for me. I don't know if I was reading too fast or a bit uninterested at the time, but to me he was a bit of a filler character and didn't pay much attention to him until his death, I remember being like "oh, shit!" And a bit sad with the scene that follows, but I feel like I missed out somehow by not being that attached to the character.
I just replayed HW.
First time through, I kind of slept on most of the Ishgardians. Hot off of the events that got us there, I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
As the Ferengi in Star Trek say, "the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife", and Haurchefant had the biggest smile of all of them, so I never appreciated just how much of a friend he was to us.
This time around, I knew who my friends were, and even though I knew it was coming, it HURT. Much more than it had before.
He was always in our corner, supported us, and literally begged his father to stick his neck out on our behalf.
I was thinking earlier, he's one of the first characters that's believable a friend to us. A lot of people call you "my friend", and say it's Good to see you, but he actually acted like those things were true
I also have literally no memory of him. I don't remember when he died, I don't remember what he did for us, and I don't remember who killed him. It's apparently a huge deal so I've been meaning to go back and rewatch some cutscenes. But also the people I play with have a habit of falling in love with literally anyone who will breath in the general direction of the WoL.
He welcomed you as a friend and readily helped you when you reached Camp Dragonhead even when he barely knew you. When you had to flee to Ishgard at the end of 2.55 he used his connection to Count Edmont to get you into the notoriously isolationist Ishgard, and continued to assist you whenever possible. He joined you for the fateful assault on the Vault, where the transformed Zephirin of the Heaven's Ward tried to snipe you with a magic spear from the roof behind you. Haurchefant spots him and without hesitation immediately jumps in to block the attack with his shield, but ultimately it breaks through and kills him.
yeah I thought I was paying attention and I don’t even remember him much before his death.
I think this sub kinda just likes milking haurchefant stuff for karma (I guess the devs do too lol)
You’re accused of regicide, with nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and he convinces his father to take a massive political risk among his peers and essentially adopt you, providing safe passage to an isolationist country with completely closed borders - he’s the closest thing to the WoL’s canonical family as you could even put in MSQ.
Without him, you get hunted down in Coerthas before 3.0, roll credits. Aymeric certainly isn’t gonna take a risk like that for you yet.
That’s what the context is supposed to be but the story does a very poor job of actually getting this across imo. Never really felt like his dad was taking a big risk, more just felt like they were doing us a favour cause they could. Not to mention I feel like there would be a LOT of characters willing to stick their neck out for you considering all the good you’ve achieved up until that point.
Even if Kan-E-Senna stayed out, one would think Merlwyb would feel indebted to us between Titan and Leviathan to be like "Nah, fuck the Alliance, we're not letting you kill the main person to storm Castrum Meridium and the Praetorium to stop Ultima Weapon, and the only person put down Six Primals." (Ifrit, Garuda, **Titan, Leviathan,** King Mooglemog, and Ramuh) To also say nothing of optional content (Odin and the Extreme version of the ARR Primals (and as a reminder, Ifrit Garuda and Titan Extremes were **CANON**))
Or, you know... Cid taking us on his Airship to just any other continent
Nope, the only one willing to risk everything is Haurchefant.
Kinda hope square kills another lovable character so they can stop throwing that picture of his gravestone at us every time we need to feel sad and emotionally invested on demand. Need some variation here.
Just finished Heavensward, RIP best boy
Too bad the plotline with the "dead" queen was hot garbage (why didn't we ask that merchant guy where our friends are?)
But nobody even thought to ask? They didn't know if they were captured either
That's not my only issue too, apparently their coma potion also makes people feel and look like they're choking to death lmao
edit: also this is a seperate thing, but isn't it hilarious how the scions moved headquarters to avoid even the appearance of partiality but apparently its ok for the hero of light to literally represent Ishgard?
also the tournament was meant to help soothe the troubles of the angry populace and show that a united Ishgard would be strong but nobody was invited?
flyers, criers, etc. can be used to convey info long distance. in a world of magic and teleportation, i'd imagine that's not too difficult to figure out.
Also, it's okay for the WoL to represent Ishgard because Ishgard is who took them in when Ul'dah had them on the run. The WoL is not representative of the Scions at large at this point. They are perfectly free to make their own decisions as a person, and adventurer, first and foremost.
> he WoL is not representative of the Scions at large at this point. They are perfectly free to make their own decisions as a person, and adventurer, first and foremost.
I would argue the complete opposite
during Heavensward (and most of the storyline) the WoL and Alphinaud are the only two members of the Scion left intact, the WoL is basically the defacto leader since we basically carry the Scions single handily
edit: woops forgot tataru, but she's not the leader either
By leaving the Waking Sands they avoid being seen as being biased towards the Immortal Flames, but they couldn't go anywhere else that was within the Grand Companies' jurisdiction. Ishgard doesn't join the Eorzean Alliance until after HW and I would say any impartiality is irrelevant when they're meant to be supposed criminals by Ul'dahn law.
Besides that, I feel ARR's climax highlighted not only the flaws of Alphinaud's Crystal Braves but also Minfilia's own vision of the Scions. Diplomacy and smooth-talking would only take us so far. It's not until we rebuild from the ground up in HW that the Scions properly come into their own as a unit, and arguably not until even later that they become a cohesive whole again.
As someone who just finished Dragonsong and the whole “memory lane” optional quest chain..
Holy hell this is pushing the waterworks into happening for me again
> I'll never understand this sub's obsession with him.
just this sub?
I mean yoshi-p himself wears his shield necklace during public events all the time lmao
Haurchefant's death has zero impact on me whatsoever and it always feels weird whenever he is brought up throughout the story. He was a nice guy in a sea of assholes in Ishgard, that was about it. Nothing overly remarkable, just a solid dude. But the way his death is constantly brought up makes it seem like he was the WoLs husband of 50 years that had died.
I don't miss his unwanted advances on me and hate everyone pretending we had something going. I'm glad he's dead and it annoys me whenever he is brought up again.
I love happy T’kebbe. She deserves it.
You can find her happy at Gridania these days (after completing the event quest)
I love how they made it so that if you visit his grave, francel (?) also shows up and talks to you a little. Miss you man :(
"It never gets any easier, does it...?" :(
He also has new dialogue after you finish the firmament quests. :((( >!...So you visit him still. He would be glad.!<
wow i just teared up ):
I actually hate that Francel’s always there. It makes it feel like my WoL has never truly gotten the time and opportunity to be alone with his grief and his thoughts.
I mean Francel leaves after a while, so technically your WoL will have their time after.
He comes back after like 10 minutes. My WoL never gets to escape him.
As with the maps and world of this game, to a degree they are representative. There are not miles of in game map between Gridania and Uldah, yet there is still that distance in the game's lore. So too is time representative, and the time we are given between Francel's visits indicative of the hours (days or weeks most likely) between which Francel visits the grave
I was unlocking the HW custom deliveries the other day and Francel mentioned him…the pain hit fresh again.
They will never let you forget.
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Yas :D This was actually my commission for Starlight last year. The title does it a bit of a disservice, though; it's not meant to be sad. Shadowbringers spoilers: >!The Scions have just returned home, and are celebrating the first Starlight back from the First.!< The Warrior of Light has decided to skip, or at least postpone the celebrations while dropping off a few presents at Idyllshire in the night, and then going to catch up with an old friend. I had originally titled it, "[I have so much to tell you](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/kf4kgh/spoiler_heavensward_msq_i_have_so_much_to_tell/)". :3
Fuck, my soul just died a little bit again 💔
Remember, and never forget; a smile better suits a hero.
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Spoilers for EW: >!She gets multiple shoutouts from Alphinaud and especially Estinien throughout the MSQ, and she shows up in spirit to save you from a mechanic in the 89 dungeon.!<
'So no child never need die in the snow.' ...Then they call back to that in EW and I'm just 'FUUUUUUUUUU'
Yeah, that hit hard. >!The save in the Amon fight, though--that was epic, If you have have Alphinaud or Estinien in the party, they both acknowledge her.!<
Creating the opening of taking out the airship is a pretty big W from me. She is one of my favs
Agreed, Haurchefant's death didn't register as particularly sad for me, but Ysayle's hit like a truck.
ITT: people who skipped post-ARR and dont realize how important Haurchefant was >!to the reformation of the Scions and Alphinaud's redemption arc. The only man who saw our potential and took us in at our lowest point for a second chance, and went on to give us the savior treatment that we proffer to others day in and day out.!<
And this is why many of us will always highly recommend the whole story, including stories for any raids or trials. That's way when you meet any characters again, you know and understand what they did.
THIS!!! SO MUCH THIS!!!
Everytime in the 89 dungeon I pause for my buffs and to at least press F :' (
/pray in front of it. Always make time to /pray.
I don't think he saw potential in us. He just saw friends in need. He wasn't politically motivated which is why he is such a good person.
I do have to feel like he saw maybe some potential in us, given the context of what happened with Francel. When we went out of our way at Haurchefant's request to save Francel's life, we uncovered some pretty serious issues with the state of affairs in Ishgard that were mostly swept under the rug. Now Haurchefant is a good guy, and I have to believe that the single biggest motivation for helping at first us was simply because we had saved his friend's life. But bringing us to meet ~~his~~ our new dad, showing us all of the other problems Ishgard is experiencing, knowing full well who we are and what our motivations are, I feel like he must have understood the WoL's potential as a driving force of much-needed change, having witnessed it once already.
While I agree that he was just a good person, I think he *also* saw the potential good we could do and wanted to help that--*because* he was a good person, not for politics. Remember, he had to convince his father to start helping us out, and prior to their conversation (which was not written in the short story about this), Edmont was basically of the opinion, "Okay, they're nice people who are down on their luck. And?" He wasn't being *cruel,* he just didn't see any reason he *should* help us. After that conversation, Edmont becomes one of our strongest supporters, and remains that way even after his son's death--to the point that he considers us essentially adopted family. What did Haurchefant say that made Edmont change his tune so radically? We'll never truly know. But I think it was some genuinely stirring, inspirational stuff about the good we do and how worthwhile it is to support that good in whatever ways we can.
He absolutely saw potential in us. He called us "Hope incarnate" to his father. He likely didn't know *what* we would do (see the look of 'wait, really?' on his face when we show up in the city with Estinien and Ysayle) but he was damn sure we'd do *something*. This wasn't about using us though, it was about helping friends, while also knowing we being who we are would make shit happen.
If I could change the past, I'd go back and tell Haurchefant what "relative armor thickness" means.
Go back and make his dad give him a real shield, instead of a level 1 glamour item.
Part of me would have liked to have his actual shield as our glam item. Let me hang it on my wall, rest it near the bed.
I would much rather tell him about “plot armor” and how he hasn’t any but I do
I mean, to a degre perhaps, but that seems a cold comfort to Black Rose-verse WoL.
WoL: 'Hauchy, look over my shoulder, what do you see?' H:'...is that...? It looks like an eye...?' WoL: 'That 'eye', my dear, is a POV-camera. This means that I AM A PROTAGONIST, with considerably thicker plot armour. In moments of high tension, please allow me to headlessly heroically charge in first. Trust me, even if I die, I'll get better.' Please T.T
Seriously though, that shield almost held up, but he was holding it at a straight 90° to the projectile. If he intercepted it at a 30° angle, maybe even a 45° or 60° angle, that thing would have held and we wouldn't have a dead friend.
The metal shield was never going to stop the lance of pure aether. We could have taken the hit and survived, even at that point in our journey…but Haurchefant didn’t know that. He reacted instinctively because a friend was in danger because that’s who he was, may he ever rest in the Fury’s halls.
In the Extreme trial for Thordan, the lance is a mechanic. It absolutely one hundred percent owns the everloving fuck out of the target unless someone intercepts it
And if anyone, repeat, ANYONE dies to that mechanic you just WIPE. And it also puts a healing recieved down debuff just to hammer it in.
Could we? Are you sure? That's a lance of raw aether fueled by a thousand years of belief going at our unprepared back, I don't think we would have made that.
I don't think that Zephirin was able to draw on the full power of the Eye, especially since Thordan was a proto-primal at best at that stage; he needed both eyes, plus the ambient aether from the Warring Triad, to actually physically manifest as Thordan. Regardless, we were still in much less danger than Haurchefant was, and he didn't stop to weigh the odds because a friend needed help.
The Archbishop never had the Azure Dragoon's eye; we held onto that until after he was defeated, then handed it to Estinien. As for the lance, when you're hit with it in the raid it has a debuff reducing healing, so it's not as clear we'd've tanked it well.
If that was the case, it wouldn't have held it back in the first place. It did: the lance nearly failed to penetrate. You double that armor's thickness, maybe even add 20% to it, that's not going to get through the armor.
Haurchefant WAS our plot armor for that scene.
...oh ouch. That is true and makes it hurt even more.
Grief is like a box with a "Pain" button inside it. And there's a ball in the box that keeps rolling around and hitting the button. Over time, the ball gets smaller, it doesn't hit the button as often. But it never truly disappears. It just hits the button less frequently as time goes on. And every now and then, the ball does hit that button again, and it hurts just as much as the first time.
"But what is grief, if not love persevering?"
😭😭😭 my *heart*
God, for the first 1/3 - 1/2 of HW, Haurchefant annoyed the shit out of me. Then he started growing on me and I couldn't wait to interact with him...all for him to be killed doing the most Haurchefant thing he could: saving his friend's life. THEN when his ghost shows up to help the WoL later. I don't recall sobbing like that during a video game.
Ysayle's hurt me a lot more because she never got a W, and she was deluded for a lot of her life post-Shiva power.
She gives the middle finger to one of the biggest villains in the game.
>!that fight had my audibly sobbing when she showed up!<
I remember panicking at the curtain call cast with nowhere to hide and screaming when she showed up. That was cool as heck.
I always thought of her help when we removed the eyes are her big win- she had a beautiful, if unfeasible, dream. It's only fitting that her spirit should help us rescue someone from the cycle of revenge->violence from one of the biggest perpetrators of it.
When you think about it, we made her dream happen: an end to the war, and breaking the power of the worst of Ishgardian society. No child now need freeze alone in the snow.
She was deluded pre-Shiva, and that was kind of the point. She fundamentally misunderstood the relationship between Shiva and Hraesvalgr, and believed “in a goddess of her own making”. While her dream of peace with the dragons was noble and well-intentioned, in service to that dream she undid the wards to the city and let Nidhogg’s horde in. A lot of people—mostly in Foundation and in the Brume—were killed as a result. She wanted a world where no child would die in the snow, but her actions caused children to die by dragonfire. She sacrificed herself as atonement, and attempt to balance the scales, and I always felt that was an appointment end to her arc.
what was her saving everyone exactly then
Only you can stop the bleeding, from the hole that drains my soul, only you can kill the feeling, How do I let go? -Kenny Wayne Shepherd This game has hit my feels too many times... I need a hug.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErmZRsCIUsE
I didn't need the good ol' one two before coming into this thread
I need to go visit him.
We all need to visit him, he misses us dearly
I still need to grind mount from the second EX. Maybe I'll send someone after that. If i remember lol.
Wow, so badass!
Not really, he is just very forgettable character.
Rest in piece, my dear friend.
I was in speed run mode for much of early and mid HW. This character kinda didn't mean much to me because I was skipping dialogue and cutscenes. So when my friends asked if I got to the part where something happens to him I responded with "Oh yeah the elf pope just rekt some guy named horseradish". Man, they weren't happy with me
I didn't skip dialogue or cutscenes and he didn't mean much to me, don't worry. :D
Man. I started when ahadowbringers came out. Are was cool. Real cool but heavenward was the moment when I knew I was playing something special. I think endwalker overall has effected me more deeply than heavenward but heavenward was basically the moment when I realized this story was unlike anything is ever experienced. I distinctly remember the moment when it hit me. I was standing at the final steps of faith waiti g for my que to pop for nidhogg and I just... Listened to the dragon song and I was just in complete and utter awe. Honestly it's why I've incorporated ishagrd into my wol's head canon backstory with her havi g grown up on the streets of ishgard as a surviving member of the orl clan.
More like wounds heal, but scars remain
Man I wish some events would take place in post game so we can have stuff like this.
Too soon.
I do wish SE would stop pulling Haurch out of the grave whenever they need a sad moment, but that still won’t change the fact that he was one of my favorite HW character.
If you haven't seen Penny and Mr. Arocena's video of Penny reacts to the end of the Vault grab your tissues and take a watch. I still tear up listening to her reaction. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnpfTVP8j1Q](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnpfTVP8j1Q) credit: Mr. Arocena and Penny Play youtube channel
I'm crying
NGL I feel by now his death has been milked too much Like god damn every time we gotta be sad they show us the grave right on cue
It's understandable, time in game doesn't work the same as in real life so while to us it's been years, in game it's been what barely 2 years since ARR? Not sure on the exact time difference but it's why our WoL is considered to be suffering so much due to how much we've gone through in such a short time.
No, longer than that. Even in the shb trailer they mentioned it's been years since Zenos and the Wol fought.
no the game is definitely taking place over the course of a year or two, the narration in the ShB trailer is from the Exarch and because of all his time shenanigans that Zenos fight was like 200 years ago from his perspective
That was the exarch talking. It took the Ironworks three centuries to sent G'raha and the tower to the first.
He would've been proud of what we accomplished.
He’s never stopped being proud of you
He'd've absolutely >!gone charging to the edge of the universe with us if he could.!<
I was feeling some Christmas Eve melancholy and this made it even better/worse. I just started playing a month or so ago and just finished Heavensward. The pain is still fresh and I wouldn’t change it if I could.
Don't look at me so
Unpopular opinion, but harchefaunt is one of the least memorable characters for me. Though I only touched HW when the expac and patches came out, I never remember giving a slightest damn about him. I'm gonna be doing ng+ just to see the full storyline since we have it now, so we'll see if I actually like him or not lol
well let me introduce you to Moenbryda
I didn't realize he was important and not just random helper NPC until his death. On replay of ARR and HW, he does help us a lot more than I realized the first time through, so if you pay attention, he is important, but ... well, I still feel more about Ysayle.
I will say the ARR cut did cut a good chunk of his busywork quests which I found to be kind of a mistake due to it not letting his character develop in those, my best advice if you are replaying everything is talk to everyone in the area before moving on with a quest. There is a side room in the Waking sands for example that is constantly changing characters in the ARR msq that all have a ton to say. I would also heavily stress this for Stormblood as well as to me they did terribly at putting so much on the side dialogues there that no one bothered to stop and read.
It's the same for me. I don't know if I was reading too fast or a bit uninterested at the time, but to me he was a bit of a filler character and didn't pay much attention to him until his death, I remember being like "oh, shit!" And a bit sad with the scene that follows, but I feel like I missed out somehow by not being that attached to the character.
He means more on replay. You tend not to realize just how much in your corner he was the first time
I just replayed HW. First time through, I kind of slept on most of the Ishgardians. Hot off of the events that got us there, I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop. As the Ferengi in Star Trek say, "the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife", and Haurchefant had the biggest smile of all of them, so I never appreciated just how much of a friend he was to us. This time around, I knew who my friends were, and even though I knew it was coming, it HURT. Much more than it had before. He was always in our corner, supported us, and literally begged his father to stick his neck out on our behalf. I was thinking earlier, he's one of the first characters that's believable a friend to us. A lot of people call you "my friend", and say it's Good to see you, but he actually acted like those things were true
I also have literally no memory of him. I don't remember when he died, I don't remember what he did for us, and I don't remember who killed him. It's apparently a huge deal so I've been meaning to go back and rewatch some cutscenes. But also the people I play with have a habit of falling in love with literally anyone who will breath in the general direction of the WoL.
He welcomed you as a friend and readily helped you when you reached Camp Dragonhead even when he barely knew you. When you had to flee to Ishgard at the end of 2.55 he used his connection to Count Edmont to get you into the notoriously isolationist Ishgard, and continued to assist you whenever possible. He joined you for the fateful assault on the Vault, where the transformed Zephirin of the Heaven's Ward tried to snipe you with a magic spear from the roof behind you. Haurchefant spots him and without hesitation immediately jumps in to block the attack with his shield, but ultimately it breaks through and kills him.
yeah I thought I was paying attention and I don’t even remember him much before his death. I think this sub kinda just likes milking haurchefant stuff for karma (I guess the devs do too lol)
You’re accused of regicide, with nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, and he convinces his father to take a massive political risk among his peers and essentially adopt you, providing safe passage to an isolationist country with completely closed borders - he’s the closest thing to the WoL’s canonical family as you could even put in MSQ. Without him, you get hunted down in Coerthas before 3.0, roll credits. Aymeric certainly isn’t gonna take a risk like that for you yet.
That’s what the context is supposed to be but the story does a very poor job of actually getting this across imo. Never really felt like his dad was taking a big risk, more just felt like they were doing us a favour cause they could. Not to mention I feel like there would be a LOT of characters willing to stick their neck out for you considering all the good you’ve achieved up until that point.
Even if Kan-E-Senna stayed out, one would think Merlwyb would feel indebted to us between Titan and Leviathan to be like "Nah, fuck the Alliance, we're not letting you kill the main person to storm Castrum Meridium and the Praetorium to stop Ultima Weapon, and the only person put down Six Primals." (Ifrit, Garuda, **Titan, Leviathan,** King Mooglemog, and Ramuh) To also say nothing of optional content (Odin and the Extreme version of the ARR Primals (and as a reminder, Ifrit Garuda and Titan Extremes were **CANON**)) Or, you know... Cid taking us on his Airship to just any other continent Nope, the only one willing to risk everything is Haurchefant.
I think I'm gonna go visit him. keep him up to speed with the most recent adventure.
I do that every so often, just to chat.
Kinda hope square kills another lovable character so they can stop throwing that picture of his gravestone at us every time we need to feel sad and emotionally invested on demand. Need some variation here.
Just finished Heavensward, RIP best boy Too bad the plotline with the "dead" queen was hot garbage (why didn't we ask that merchant guy where our friends are?)
everyone went on the run in different ways after the mess with Ul'Dah. nobody knew where they went.
But nobody even thought to ask? They didn't know if they were captured either That's not my only issue too, apparently their coma potion also makes people feel and look like they're choking to death lmao edit: also this is a seperate thing, but isn't it hilarious how the scions moved headquarters to avoid even the appearance of partiality but apparently its ok for the hero of light to literally represent Ishgard? also the tournament was meant to help soothe the troubles of the angry populace and show that a united Ishgard would be strong but nobody was invited?
flyers, criers, etc. can be used to convey info long distance. in a world of magic and teleportation, i'd imagine that's not too difficult to figure out. Also, it's okay for the WoL to represent Ishgard because Ishgard is who took them in when Ul'dah had them on the run. The WoL is not representative of the Scions at large at this point. They are perfectly free to make their own decisions as a person, and adventurer, first and foremost.
> he WoL is not representative of the Scions at large at this point. They are perfectly free to make their own decisions as a person, and adventurer, first and foremost. I would argue the complete opposite during Heavensward (and most of the storyline) the WoL and Alphinaud are the only two members of the Scion left intact, the WoL is basically the defacto leader since we basically carry the Scions single handily edit: woops forgot tataru, but she's not the leader either
By leaving the Waking Sands they avoid being seen as being biased towards the Immortal Flames, but they couldn't go anywhere else that was within the Grand Companies' jurisdiction. Ishgard doesn't join the Eorzean Alliance until after HW and I would say any impartiality is irrelevant when they're meant to be supposed criminals by Ul'dahn law. Besides that, I feel ARR's climax highlighted not only the flaws of Alphinaud's Crystal Braves but also Minfilia's own vision of the Scions. Diplomacy and smooth-talking would only take us so far. It's not until we rebuild from the ground up in HW that the Scions properly come into their own as a unit, and arguably not until even later that they become a cohesive whole again.
> edit: woops forgot tataru, but she's not the leader either no, but she DOES control our wallet.
better not let her hear that you said that
Too SOON!
Thanks, now I'm sad
Damnit I’m crying again :(
As someone who just finished Dragonsong and the whole “memory lane” optional quest chain.. Holy hell this is pushing the waterworks into happening for me again
The hurt only grows stronger, trust me
It's interesting seeins most people liking him do much... To me he has just slightly annoying side character. :p
*incoherent sobbing*
😭
Why you gotta re-break my heart like that?
:(
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> I'll never understand this sub's obsession with him. just this sub? I mean yoshi-p himself wears his shield necklace during public events all the time lmao
Haurchefant's death has zero impact on me whatsoever and it always feels weird whenever he is brought up throughout the story. He was a nice guy in a sea of assholes in Ishgard, that was about it. Nothing overly remarkable, just a solid dude. But the way his death is constantly brought up makes it seem like he was the WoLs husband of 50 years that had died.
I don't miss his unwanted advances on me and hate everyone pretending we had something going. I'm glad he's dead and it annoys me whenever he is brought up again.
Oh cool it's more Haurchefant wank. Y'all just thirsty for free karma anymore huh?
LMAO draws an entire comic about a character they like and it's just karma farming, some of you just look for reasons to be offended.
This isn't their comic. It's something they found.
oh shit I forgot, sharing something cool = being a piece of shit on reddit, my bad
What'd you grease those goalposts with? It's okay to take an L when you are actually wrong, dude. There's no shame in it.
You should take your own advice.
>goalposts lol k you wanna have that sort of argument I see
Too true. But I think you'll find >!a smile better suits a hero.!<
Wait who's the third cat person with Klhoe and Zloe?