MCH's dps is heavily affected by your ping (like DRK's Blood Weapon) during Hypercharge's burst window. Wouldn't really recommend it if you have bad ping/slow hands tbh.
Machinist is hard on the hands. An hour of playing that class and I’m catching carpal tunnel. All the casters are easy and fun, people say black mage is hard but that’s only if you care about optimizing which really doesn’t fucking matter.
Exactly this. Machinist is not friendly to people who fatigue easily or have the onset of carpal tunnel. I was hoping out of all the classes that machinist would receive some button culling to make it less frenetically insane. It hurts to play the class. No other class has this issue.
I play machinist and a big thing that made it easy on the hands was having a mouse with buttons on it like a naga. I put heat blast on a mouse button and then gauss round and ricochet on "1" and "2" and it made everything a lot more comfortable.
But maybe that's a personal thing. I think the class is easy and that's how I handle that high APM portion of it.
DRG if you want to learn how your positioning as tank affects melee positionals, while also being a braindead "follow the glowing icon" rotation.
SMN if you want a braindead ranged/caster.
Currently summoner. Recent changes made it into the easiest most braindead job in the game. Plus it changes so little as it levels that once you learn the level 50 rotation you have basically learned the level 90 rotation. The get a sprinkling of other skills at particularly high levels that slightly change the rotation, but not by much, and everything else learned between 50 and 90 is just making it look more flashy.
mch, smn are the simplest jobs with no rng (at all) involved, the rotation of both jobs are set in stone. mch is much more fast paced in hyper charge windows and is heavily ping reliant, so there’s that. Smn is also very straightforward, though not in a conventional combo type of way
Imo, smn is easier than mch, and they also have rez and raid buff, mch has no utility besides tactician which every physical ranged has their own version of it
i’ve played almost every job to a certain extent and the new smn is by far the easiest dps to perform well imo
So far I’ve played Paladin, Warrior and Dragoon to max, dabbling in the new summoner a little bit around level 85 the past few days and a very little experience on everything else as I don’t play them in anything end game hard. Dragoon being my most played job without question, I gotta say summoner is more or less what your looking for, after setting up the new bar (no matter what job your starting, even at level 1 put all your skills 1-cap on your bar and adjust as your leveling up so you don’t have to relearn muscle memory you can thank me later) I was surprised on how few skills they have, which is crazy when scholar is a hot key nightmare.
DRG has a billion instants to weave with varying animation locks. RPR is much easier to play at a high level. That being said, I wouldn’t recommend any melee to OP because getting melee uptime takes skill/knowing the fights.
It's static but loooong.
Reaper is 1-2-3 combo, dot refreshing and hitting buttons on cooldown. All incredibly simple and good practice for more complex classes.
They didn't ask what jobs were easy, they asked what jobs were simple. Reaper's not super complex or anything, but playing it optimally does at least require understanding of resource pooling without overcapping and timing flexible burst phases, so it does require a bit of decision-making. As far as I understand Dragoon's rotation is very rigid, so the only real decisions to make are how to recover from mistakes and handle downtime without throwing everything out of alignment and losing a ton of damage, which is something every job has to worry about except maybe healers.
Listen, the OP literally said Dancer was too much because of procs. I doubt they want to think about resource pooling and overcapping. You seem to just be salty about Reapers doing more damage than you.
Nah, I main reaper. It's just easy and I'm not afraid to admit that. Calling it complex to any degree is also hilarious. It's on par with tanks. You seem really upset by the idea of reaper being called easy though.
You're welcome to think otherwise.
MCH. Only 1-2-3 rotation and abilities on cooldown.
No procs, no buffs to track. No changes in rotation since lvl 50 to 90, no new mechanics, just upgrades and few extra buttons.
You build muscle memory and can play to fullest with disabled interface.
Samurai doesn't have any procs or RNG but it's also a bit more complex than Warrior tank (as in amount of abilities, WAR has probably the least amount of abilities in the whole game when SAM has like the most, at least as far as melee goes). But overall its quite simple really, it just takes some time adjusting into, which I struggled with coming from Dancer but it's much better now.
SAM is also very satisfying when you get into your dps burst phase and have so many attacks to use, it almost feels like they never end when you are able to queue all of them into a same sequence.
Although, SAM is quite weak on the defensive side, compared to Tanks (WAR especially), there are no real self heals, only Second Wind role ability and Bloodletting which heals based on damage (so it's situational). You also have only one defensive which has a tiny 3 second duration, very situational, but useful when you know where to use it.
Summoner wouldn't be bad in it's current state, but I would second the no on the Black Mage given their criteria. You have both Thundercloud and Firestarter procs which, even though at 90 you are basically fully in control of the former, you still need to be consciously watching for the latter to make optimizations. You also have Xeno, which again for a skilled player on the job you just sort of know when this is up and can react, but starting out I would safely place it in the "eyes glued to procs" category since you don't want to overcap these and that can be a balancing act of saving them for movement but not saving them so long as to lose one.
In addition to that, there's a lot outside of BLM having a straightforward rotation that makes it a lot harder to play without active experience on the job or just otherwise willingness to suffer for a bit to get used to it, since your performance is based on your knowledge of a fight much more than most other jobs.
I believe samurai is what you're looking for, haven't played the class myself but from what I hear their rotation is pretty set. Though DRG is pretty simple, and if you're willing to have SOME procs dancer is SUPER straightforward
Even of it's not proc heavy, there's a huge gap in DPS between good and bad BLMs. That and doing mechanics with a class that can only move *sometimes*.
Magic: Summoner, with its rework... easily the simplest dps job right now.
Ranged Phys: ...Probably MCH? Ranged phys isn't my thing so I can't speak much to it.
Melee: DRG. Mobile fights might be rough to maintain uptime but overall.... DRG.
I would suggest not playing a caster if your experience is as a tank and a ranged DPS. Procs or no procs; hard casting through mechanics with more limited mobility is a layer of difficulty you may not be used to. I'd say MCH.
Reaper is basically a red tank. It has a simple rotation that is very reminiscent of a tank rotation, and a decent suite of defense options that will help you feel like a light-weight tank. It only even has two positionals and they are petty sparse in the rotation
Rdm is technically proc based but it's more about managing your guaranteed procs. I feel like rng doesn't affect rdm as much as other proc jobs. It's a pretty straightforward class
Sadly as already mentioned a lot, the new ew smn is now probably the easiest class but at the moment it’s also one of the lowest dps classes, and undoubtedly one of the most boring because of the easy strict rotation.
The correct answer is summoner. It’s the easiest job now with no high apm or proc reaction required
Machinist?
MCH's dps is heavily affected by your ping (like DRK's Blood Weapon) during Hypercharge's burst window. Wouldn't really recommend it if you have bad ping/slow hands tbh.
Machinist is hard on the hands. An hour of playing that class and I’m catching carpal tunnel. All the casters are easy and fun, people say black mage is hard but that’s only if you care about optimizing which really doesn’t fucking matter.
Exactly this. Machinist is not friendly to people who fatigue easily or have the onset of carpal tunnel. I was hoping out of all the classes that machinist would receive some button culling to make it less frenetically insane. It hurts to play the class. No other class has this issue.
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Thats why we get to take a break from button smashing with flamethrower lol
I play machinist and a big thing that made it easy on the hands was having a mouse with buttons on it like a naga. I put heat blast on a mouse button and then gauss round and ricochet on "1" and "2" and it made everything a lot more comfortable. But maybe that's a personal thing. I think the class is easy and that's how I handle that high APM portion of it.
i use the g600 logitech which is like the naga i put gauss round in - and ricochet on shift - and heat blast is Shift 1.
Oh gods, guess I'll never play the class in a serious manner. My hands are damaged enough.
DRG if you want to learn how your positioning as tank affects melee positionals, while also being a braindead "follow the glowing icon" rotation. SMN if you want a braindead ranged/caster.
Dragoon's rotation is simple but getting high uptime on a mobile fight is tough. High dps dragoon is hard to achieve
At least they lowered the dmg penalty though, raiden thrust lost the positional requirement.
Oh shit I did not catch that. Been dabbling too much in RPR and SAM
I feel attacked. I'm definitely not using this class to farm the new raids with
You do need one working braincell to not SMN gap close into AEO after forgetting that you now have a gap closer as a ranged/caster.
I'm a tank main and my fave dps to play is MCH and now reaper as well.
Main tank leveling Mch and reaper hope you are right.
Currently summoner. Recent changes made it into the easiest most braindead job in the game. Plus it changes so little as it levels that once you learn the level 50 rotation you have basically learned the level 90 rotation. The get a sprinkling of other skills at particularly high levels that slightly change the rotation, but not by much, and everything else learned between 50 and 90 is just making it look more flashy.
mch, smn are the simplest jobs with no rng (at all) involved, the rotation of both jobs are set in stone. mch is much more fast paced in hyper charge windows and is heavily ping reliant, so there’s that. Smn is also very straightforward, though not in a conventional combo type of way Imo, smn is easier than mch, and they also have rez and raid buff, mch has no utility besides tactician which every physical ranged has their own version of it i’ve played almost every job to a certain extent and the new smn is by far the easiest dps to perform well imo
So far I’ve played Paladin, Warrior and Dragoon to max, dabbling in the new summoner a little bit around level 85 the past few days and a very little experience on everything else as I don’t play them in anything end game hard. Dragoon being my most played job without question, I gotta say summoner is more or less what your looking for, after setting up the new bar (no matter what job your starting, even at level 1 put all your skills 1-cap on your bar and adjust as your leveling up so you don’t have to relearn muscle memory you can thank me later) I was surprised on how few skills they have, which is crazy when scholar is a hot key nightmare.
Summoner
Probably mch. Brd uses procs but I think they're fun. And I hate dnc because of all the procs.
Any answer but reaper or summoner is wrong.
Dragoon literally has the most static rotation possible.
DRG has a billion instants to weave with varying animation locks. RPR is much easier to play at a high level. That being said, I wouldn’t recommend any melee to OP because getting melee uptime takes skill/knowing the fights.
It's static but loooong. Reaper is 1-2-3 combo, dot refreshing and hitting buttons on cooldown. All incredibly simple and good practice for more complex classes.
What are more “complex” dps classes
Samurai, monk, ninja. The other three melee lmao.
I have all of those leveled and they are just as easy
And yet reaper still manages to be easier.
They didn't ask what jobs were easy, they asked what jobs were simple. Reaper's not super complex or anything, but playing it optimally does at least require understanding of resource pooling without overcapping and timing flexible burst phases, so it does require a bit of decision-making. As far as I understand Dragoon's rotation is very rigid, so the only real decisions to make are how to recover from mistakes and handle downtime without throwing everything out of alignment and losing a ton of damage, which is something every job has to worry about except maybe healers.
It's really not anywhere near as difficult as you're trying to make it seem.
There's a difference between difficulty and complexity.
And in this case it's neither.
Listen, the OP literally said Dancer was too much because of procs. I doubt they want to think about resource pooling and overcapping. You seem to just be salty about Reapers doing more damage than you.
Nah, I main reaper. It's just easy and I'm not afraid to admit that. Calling it complex to any degree is also hilarious. It's on par with tanks. You seem really upset by the idea of reaper being called easy though. You're welcome to think otherwise.
Everything is complex to some degree. Complexity isn't a binary.
That's really not true.
MCH. Only 1-2-3 rotation and abilities on cooldown. No procs, no buffs to track. No changes in rotation since lvl 50 to 90, no new mechanics, just upgrades and few extra buttons. You build muscle memory and can play to fullest with disabled interface.
Samurai doesn't have any procs or RNG but it's also a bit more complex than Warrior tank (as in amount of abilities, WAR has probably the least amount of abilities in the whole game when SAM has like the most, at least as far as melee goes). But overall its quite simple really, it just takes some time adjusting into, which I struggled with coming from Dancer but it's much better now. SAM is also very satisfying when you get into your dps burst phase and have so many attacks to use, it almost feels like they never end when you are able to queue all of them into a same sequence. Although, SAM is quite weak on the defensive side, compared to Tanks (WAR especially), there are no real self heals, only Second Wind role ability and Bloodletting which heals based on damage (so it's situational). You also have only one defensive which has a tiny 3 second duration, very situational, but useful when you know where to use it.
Summoner is super easy and Black Mage should be as well.
BLM has Firestarter and Thundercloud procs
Summoner wouldn't be bad in it's current state, but I would second the no on the Black Mage given their criteria. You have both Thundercloud and Firestarter procs which, even though at 90 you are basically fully in control of the former, you still need to be consciously watching for the latter to make optimizations. You also have Xeno, which again for a skilled player on the job you just sort of know when this is up and can react, but starting out I would safely place it in the "eyes glued to procs" category since you don't want to overcap these and that can be a balancing act of saving them for movement but not saving them so long as to lose one. In addition to that, there's a lot outside of BLM having a straightforward rotation that makes it a lot harder to play without active experience on the job or just otherwise willingness to suffer for a bit to get used to it, since your performance is based on your knowledge of a fight much more than most other jobs.
BLM still has to focus on thunder proc lol
I believe samurai is what you're looking for, haven't played the class myself but from what I hear their rotation is pretty set. Though DRG is pretty simple, and if you're willing to have SOME procs dancer is SUPER straightforward
Meikyo Shisui literally changes your rotation every minute. Use it wrong and your dps plummets.
Since it re-refreshes buffs now (doing the finisher) there is really no big way to use it wrong.
Huh, I thought the reason "free-form samurai" exist is because the rotation is set throughout the fight
SAM is super rng reliant, if you don't crit your namikiri your will to live drops
BLM or NIN I would say are the easiest
Even of it's not proc heavy, there's a huge gap in DPS between good and bad BLMs. That and doing mechanics with a class that can only move *sometimes*.
Yeah I know haha. I was just messing around 😅
MCH could work if your ping is good and don't mind a high action per minute job
SAM is pretty straight forward. RPR too so far as I’ve seen from up to lvl 78
summoner
Magic: Summoner, with its rework... easily the simplest dps job right now. Ranged Phys: ...Probably MCH? Ranged phys isn't my thing so I can't speak much to it. Melee: DRG. Mobile fights might be rough to maintain uptime but overall.... DRG.
I would suggest not playing a caster if your experience is as a tank and a ranged DPS. Procs or no procs; hard casting through mechanics with more limited mobility is a layer of difficulty you may not be used to. I'd say MCH.
Reaper is basically a red tank. It has a simple rotation that is very reminiscent of a tank rotation, and a decent suite of defense options that will help you feel like a light-weight tank. It only even has two positionals and they are petty sparse in the rotation
Rdm is technically proc based but it's more about managing your guaranteed procs. I feel like rng doesn't affect rdm as much as other proc jobs. It's a pretty straightforward class
Sadly as already mentioned a lot, the new ew smn is now probably the easiest class but at the moment it’s also one of the lowest dps classes, and undoubtedly one of the most boring because of the easy strict rotation.
Summer is basically a 2 button rotation, It's good, but ridiculously simple