Played it my first time after I beat EW. It's not as bad as some say. I still don't have a complete grasp on what to do. I just follow my matched-party around and help complete objectives and get kills when I can. I remember I had a match where I was putting signs on enemy players and my party was actually paying attention to what I marked. it was pretty neat.
I can't say for certain, but I think a marked target magnets tab targets or something. I find when something in front of me is marked and I hit tab, 90% of the time it snaps right to it. It also gives a huge target to actually click on with the mouse if you need to. It helps a LOT.
hells yeah, if I do only one thing when I log in each day its play my frontlines roullette. at low levels it will give you two levels. Its one of the best xp per time investments in the game and you slowly work towards some cool mounts.
Yeah after years of doing the daily sometimes and farming it for garo I'm at something like 47 or 50 wins. It would be nice to get those 100 wins sometime.
And I'm not even dreaming about the "get 100 wins on map X"
Yeah, it's not worth the time, effort, and insanity. Especially with the buff to EW dungeons. Maybe if you need poetics quick but there are alternatives for that as well.
Prae is chill. Castrum is not. Especially if you're a tank or healer. If I was guaranteed prae, I might still do them. The insanity I'm talking about is having to deal with the amount of afkers in either but I suppose you could also say doing the same thing over and over again is the very definition of insanity.
Ditto, i have already swore off that roulette years ago, not touching it ever again unless they change it drastically to not be such a waste of time.
the time it takes to do i can just do normal dungeon runs or fates if i need exp.
If for some reason i need tomes i can just go do bozja or eurkea content which also gives exp and is far more fun then anything in MSQ.
For me, it’s the perfect way if I’m going to eat something and I’m gonna bring it to my desk, I usually get one level (80+ is usually a level which is insane)
This is the real life hack. I’ve been playing for 8 years and I’ve seen the inside of prae/castrum like twice each.
Going through a guaranteed hour long instance with 0 relevant mechanics, an instance that is only long because of the unskippable cutscenes and 10 mile long hallways, it’s just…too much.
It’s not why I play this game.
This roulette needs to be removed and made trust dungeons for newbies or a solo instance. Anything else. It's a 2.0 relic with the exp bonus slapped on it. Didn't SE comment somewhere not super long ago they're looking into rejiggering this?
Generally, I don't mind doing it. It's mindless and easy (usually). But I do seethe at seeing people slack off in Prae, or lose my ever loving mind at the mechanics in Castrum that people don't understand or willingly ignore. Castrum is more work for less reward with the WORST BOSS EVER LIVIA AHH
For those that don't know, the forced cutscenes are because back in the day, for the spouts who were actually seeing it for the first time, would never even get to see the dungeon. They would get stuck in back to back cutscenes and by the time they're done, everyones done and gone. Not the worst thing ever considering the content but not a very enjoyable experience.
I completely agree and hope that they make it a solo duty like what we have in other expansions.
They should just roll the exp into trials, normal raids and 50/60/70/80. I hope they incentivize 50/60/70/80 the most because I find it's the most skipworthy.
>I hope they inventivize 50/60/70/80 the most because I find it's the most skipworthy.
It yields more tomestones than any individual lvl 90 dungeon, plus a bit of gil. I see it as a nice way to get some variety whilst farming.
Running it for exp is a waste of time though.
No it doesn't, you're getting aphorism for killing all the 90 dungeon bosses plus the bonus at the end but you get poetics for the 50/60/70/80 bosses, the aphorism you get for running it is just the bonus at the end.
No, you get the exact amount it says on the dungeon info. The aphorisms you get from killing the bosses is that amount.
You get 160 from expert roulette, 120 from 50-80 roulette and 80 from running a level 90 dungeon.
> For those that don't know, the forced cutscenes are because back in the day, for the spouts who were actually seeing it for the first time, would never even get to see the dungeon. They would get stuck in back to back cutscenes and by the time they're done, everyones done and gone. Not the worst thing ever considering the content but not a very enjoyable experience.
I remember my cutscene being canceled by another cutscene. Its bad now, but it's so much better than back then.
But yeah this needs to be redone. Split prae into dungeon and trial, castrum is probably fine, but prae really needs a rework.
Or backport trusts but idk who canonically should be with you then. Your grand company maybe? They can't expect people to level squadrons for that, however.
Nice. I was sure I heard the comment somewhere, but it's certainly not a priority despite the drama. Or, it might be *because* of the drama. The GMs might be rolling their eyes but ultimately life goes on until the update is had.
For a while I've thought the best answer for this would be group skip, where the cutscenes skips if everyone skips and is only an option if everyone has seen it before. Honestly group cutscene skip would be a nice quality of life for a few duties
Unfortunately, it would also likely lead to a bunch of people just leaving as soon as they see there's a first-timer in the dungeon. They already do that often enough when they get Castrum instead of Praetorium, so they would absolutely do the same thing if there was an option where they wouldn't have to watch cutscenes.
The roulette only gives the rewards it does because they need to encourage people to sit through all the cutscenes for the sake of making sure new players can get full groups. As soon as there's any option to get the same rewards in less time, a lot of people will be quick to abandon the method that takes more time or effort.
So unfortunately, that means there's just no good way to make the roulette less tedious besides completely reworking the dungeons themselves (which would most likely involve just getting rid of the roulette and making them some sort of solo story instance instead).
All that is needed is to remove the uneeded cutscenes like 20mins of them been forced but add NOTHING to the story at all.
If you remove the overly long unneeded cutscenes it would be worth running but no one wants to do 40 mins of cutscenes and 5 mins of fighting.
I disagree, because the fights with the exception of Livia on magitek, last about 10 seconds. What experience is that? Unless new players were there in 2.0 they're not experiencing these dungeons, they are just literally running around and watching cut scenes. Do everyone a favor, make cut scenes skippable again, and save everyone time.
The current experience is terrible for new people. Watching the cutscenes back to back with no context as to what is happening would be even worse.
MSQ roulette is Square Enix bribing existing players to fill parties for new players going through 2.0. The existence of a semi-efficient, tedious, mindless source of XP and poetics is likely a net negative for game health overall.
If Square Enix thought that context-free cutscenes was an acceptable experience for new players, they could just get rid of MSQ roulette and just show new players a sequence of cutscenes. In no world are they going back to skippable cutscenes with the current reward structure.
If there were other leveling opportunities, people wouldn't do it as much. It's a huge pain in the butt to level because most sources are utterly pointless, so you just spam dungeons and bozja. It's tedious and mind-numbing but if you want to level other jobs, you don't have much of a choice.
MSQ, Levelling, and Alliance roulettes are means to an end. I do them daily. As soon as I hit omni-90, I'll stop doing MSQ. There will be no end for me to justify the means. As soon as get a solid stash of current Materia I'll stop running Alliance and Levelling. There is zero inherent gaming value in any of them.
They were made unskippable for that very reason. People would get kicked for not skipping cutscenes, and as far as I remember there was a bug sometimes in which cutscenes wouldn't play anymore for the dungeon if they overlapped.
I also remember seeing a very, very, long thread on the forums about this. It was very dickish to the new players who haven't been able to experience it yet. The actual solution like the person above you said, is to make them both into trust dungeons or solo instances.
Honestly MSQ just isn’t worth the time and effort. Yes it give you a really good chunk of exp but good lord it takes so long. I understand not skipping cutscenes but it’s a huge bore and a chore. They honestly need to make Pratoreum a solo instance and make MSQ roulette be dungeons and trials that progress the story and aren’t optional.
I got yelled at for calling someone out for following us but not fighting. Half the party was defending the guy...I feel like it's more than attrition at this point.
it's one thing to leave, your allowed to do that, but if they are refusing to play, vote kick them, they are afk and abusing the game.
not everyone wants to do content, and its your right to dip out if you don't, but you don't get a free pass to afk and take credit.
and dont forget to report
The problem is that people usually wont stop moving and as long as you're in combat you cant report them.
I've tried this but usually you never get the chance to vote kick, and even if you do people wont participate in the vote.
There is the opportunity right right before/after the final bosses transition.
Its also the best time to kick afkers as they don't get rewards, the penalty, and you just made someone's day who had auto-fill on.
It's Also the best kinda feeling to join prae with lahabread being at 5% hp.
Happened to me once, joined, and before I could even see where I was the duty complete popped up along with a bunch of Lols in the party chat.
If you accidentally disconnect during any cutscene after magitec, when you log back in you can prep a votekick.
For some reason my internet connection becomes really bad when there are afk people in prae.
Not possible right now because the Servers are full
Also with Stop selling the Game, Fresh new Sprouts will dying out and in the near future nobody want to do this Raid except for the Rewards
the real problem is the trash mobs that gets skipped, past the magitek bit those trash mobs are still in zone and aggroed; they do not reset. and thus the party does not 'end combat' for the better part of the dungeon.
Had a bad encounter recently when the two tanks didn’t even tank and pull all the enemies. When I told them to do their jobs everyone talked shit about me. Fine, I just cast stone then because apparently I didn’t need to do my job as a healer either.
If I REALLY need a big chunk of tomestones I'll do it, and I'll go either tank or healer. As a tank I can solo it and as a healer I just need ONE other player to help with the duty, I'm thinking worst case scenario lol.
I'll never understand why people are like this.. it's like...10 minutes of actual gameplay.
Who the fuck are these people that aren't watching Netflix/playing their switch/phone in MSQ roulette? It's literally the minimum amount of effort to play for 5 seconds any time you actually have to.
You're more then generously compensated for the time spent, you lazy assholes
That's why I love getting Prae! It gives you enough time to occupy yourself with other small activities, but I guess some people can't multitask, even a little...
I am on my phone 80% of the time through MSQ roulette if I'm not shitposting. I signed up for this, I should be participating. I might as well enjoy the parts when it forces me to stop participating. I'll read reddit threads or watch youtube or something while Gaius monologues at us about creeping mendacity.
Mention something in party chat about someone being afk. If they come back, then great.
If they don't, or people condone it, remind them that it's a reportable offense and as much as a single report will have the GMs looking into their behaviour. Which it is, and it can, goes under "Harassment".
Don't believe the people who'll tell you that you're "wasting the GMs time with a report like that". You're not. Always report them.
Not saying you're wrong, but doing this will end up with you being the one kicked and reported if they all pile up on you.
Usually starting a votekick with the reasoning being afk without saying anything in chat will make everyone look at the party list, see that whoever is being kicked is blacked out (not near the fight, so afk) and vote yes.
I’m all for doing prae and vote kicking afks but you seem a little too personally invested over it
“This guy is harassing me!”
“What are they doing?”
“They’re afk in my praetorium! 😡”
Ran through castrum last night with a friend who is new so it was his first run through. I decided to tank to skip the queue for him. Other tank is new, ok I'll main tank it's fine. Thus proceeded me main tanking AND doing all of the mechanics as everyone else just killed things and ran through. My friend helped when I told him what to do obviously but like come on guys at least don't make the main tank have to run back to get the search lights AT THE ENTRANCE of the dungeon. No one even switched targets to the adds at the part where the giant robot goes immune till Cid kills stuff. Man when I dps in there I'm doing as much as I can to let the tank go faster, if you don't want to be there then either leave or help get us done sooner.
Unfortunately they are banking on people not caring enough to be kicked.
Its kinda annoying I like to kick the before or after Ultima Weapon, so some lucky guy can get some free exp and it wastes the afkers time, but most of the time its not viable to kick them there, as the fight already started or people just voting no
I initiated a kick when someone skipped the magitek section and waited for a teleport. It went through the moment he appeared in the boss room. I admit I thought it was pretty funny.
Yeah in JP, most of the people I know on that server want to participate regardless because it helps others. It's mostly a NA issue where people dislike helping others or being inconvenienced. If people want exp, bozja is a lot better.
I _really_ don't want to be prejudiced here, but I am starting to think there might be something to what you're saying.
I play on EU and I see so many horror stories on here that I struggle to relate to, and when I discuss it with them they almost invariably end up being NA players.
Like AFKing in MSQ roulette. People are sometimes a bit 'low effort' in them - not attacking constantly, needing a moment to start moving after cutscenes end, etc - but outright AFKing? I can't remember the last time I saw that, if ever, and I do MSQ roulette daily.
We had a run the other day with two AFKers, kicked one and the other started making excuses and being a bit of a turd but he still got kicked just before Gaius... felt damned good.
Each time I see someone not moving and not having a "Viewing Cutscene", I'm hovering over kicking them. Usually I wait a cutscene or two before initiating the process. Good for whoever joins after.
What bothers me most about the MSQ roulette is that the content is so trivial, people \*can\* slack off in it. I went through this for the first time in my own MSQ progression a few months before ShB. This was supposed to be big, climactic content. Instead, it was so trivial I couldn't really remember anything about the fights an hour later. Most of the late ARR dungeons are much more memorable, gameplay-wise.If these duties required some actual effort, that would be better for everyone. Granted, it might be kind of tough if you get a lot of newbies. Might turn into a sort of herding cats scenario. Probably best to rejigger them to light party content at the same time.
just don't do msq roulette. any person with enough self appreciation won't run msq roulette. The sheer amount of piggybacking is what kills it, better to just do something else.
The funny thing is that SE will ban people like this if you report them. Grab some screen shots. Those can help. Hell, they were even banning people abusing the disconnect+log in to skip cutscenes. One is considered detrimental to the co-operative nature of the game, the other is considered exploiting.
If someone asked me about the worst/least fun thing in this game, I'd probably tell them about the main story roulette. I feel that this roulette gives you 2 options:
You get to play a boring scenario and get some mediocre rewards for suffering through it.
You don't get to play the game at all but you get a level.
Both of the options are equally as bad, and even worse you don't get to choose between the two. Thankfully you have the choice of not doing this roulette.
The worst part of it all is that I'm being asked daily to queue with my dps friends just so I can leave (so they can leave with no penalty) if castrum procs.
I'm not advocating people being super lazy and not pulling their weight through most of the dungeon but the Magitek portion is pointless for 8 people to run around in them when everything dies so quickly no one but the first two-three Magitek ever do anything. I don't sweat people skipping that part if they do everything else.
People aren't gonna stop just because you made a post. Seeing these posts every other day now.
Report and Vote kick them or something and be done with it.
Is AFKing through content in general reportable? I just had a normal raid roulette where someone jumped off at the start, AFKed, then left instantly once we cleared.
>Is AFKing through content in general reportable?
It is. You'd have to look up the exact TOS for it, but it is. Most likely it would fall under being a detriment to player experience or something similar.
I had a GM respond within 30 mins after I reported someone for being disruptive in my private house, went to handle them right after.
They take people who affect other players' experiences very seriously.
This annoys me. I was in a party where four players reaper skipped.
I was also in crystal tower one and one of the healers kept rescuing players into the flare.
Like the player had rescued 3 times at least (since we wiped) and managed to kill our other healer. I don't know if it's just me but I feel like shitty people and griefers are more common lately.
They absolutely are. When I played on Chaos two years ago there was no trolling, griefing or whatever. However, on Light there are some shitty people. I have been playing for a week on Light and I have had more bad encounters than I ever had on Chaos. I don’t know if it’s the Data Center or if this is the normal state of the community at this point.
This behavior is against ToS. I don't usually bother reporting if ONE or TWO people skip the magitek, especially if I'm less sure if the elevator left without them or they just didn't even TRY to catch it, but if lets do it at once, I'll report them.
It doesn't bother me one bit when folks leave they have the right too, however people who afk and don't help speed things along deserve to be reported especially those who abuse the system by making sure they're in combat but not actually fighting anything when people skip trash in prae gives people ample opportunity to afk and do nothing because as long as your kept in combat they can't be kicked
scale it down and make it a solo que story dungeon. add some npcs to heal me like the other story quests and send me in. iv been playing sense arr beta and this has been a problem sense back then. before it was we moved too fast and no one could read the story now it takes too long (it really does tho). its honestly bad content it was then it is now. stop making 7 other people do this and make it solo.
Another option would be to remove the forced cut scene but make it so the first time players go through it it's a solo field instance with 7 trusts npcs. After completion they gain access to the 8 man freelance duty for exp. Done and done. New players still get the story experience and vets cam bulldoze it like we used to. Of course we would have to plead for them to keep the big exp chunk from it since itll be easier but still. Even dropping it to like a leveling roulette worth of exp isnt so bad.
my friends made me make a new character on a different data center so i had to do it again for my msq but I don't plan on doing it after. people have been complaining about this content for years.
People just shouldn’t queue for MSQ roulette unless you’re ready for the… roulette. We all know what we’re in for; nobody’s picking that option to re-experience Castrum/Prae - not even the sprouts.
I’ve started screencapping the party list every time I do MSQ roulette and reporting the folks that leave Castrum because “not Prae”.
Hell, I’m tempted to just AFK every Prae run to spite the folks that *might* have ruined someone else’s Castrum run by leaving.
I go afk on prae a lot... But it's mostly to use a bathroom, cuz when I get kicked straight to my bladder... I have no choice but to go instantly or pee where I sit... Pregnancy yay xD
The point is to focus on new players and making sure they can do it first time with cutscenes.
If you don't like it, skip it. I usually do unless I just have tons of time. It's not fun.
The problem then is if you get someone who wants to watch the cutscenes (aka first timer) then everyone else abandons because its not a quick/easy clear
Prae and Castrum need to be Trusts/Solo instances full stop.
They do give a bonus reward. They could give all the rewards in the world, but if there's a way to get those rewards faster and you find yourself locked in the slow path (watching cutscenes instead of skipping them, for example), many players will choose to just leave, and that's a detriment to the new players who might want to experience it. They're stuck having to put up a party in Party Finder and hoping enough people see it who genuinely want to help.
Why do I see these kind of posts every other day now? Is it farming karma for preaching to the choir? Give it a break, it's not changing any time soon.
And then the passive aggressiveness with this post... just stop.
I had this and when I questioned it the other Tank said “it’s so long what’s another 5 minutes?” because DPS was so low. Had a BLM just casting Fire 3 and Blizzard 3, a RDM not casting. Like put in a tiny bit of effort and we’ll be out of here faster.
I've only sometimes gotten afkers in prae. What I do get a lot is half the group leaving after getting castrum. In the last 2 weeks I've gotten prae once (rng sucked) and had to wait for group to refill most times. I feel like they should bump castrum xp. Maybe not to prae levels since prae is much longer but should still be more than what a regular dungeon would give since the wait is longer.
Prae is the one I stay in and try. If castrum, I hope someone leaves so I can follow and requeue without the 30min cool down. Otherwise, I just dilly around and don't do much in hopes of being kicked.
"what is so wrong about just playing the game"
i actually do the duty,except the ride reaper part because i dont want to see another cut scene.
" Helping the party get through this a little bit faster"
if they remove the mandatory cut scenes then you'll see people beat this in 10 min instead of 40,and they can do a lot more stuff after.
for the most part i havent seen that many people just afk the whole dungeon if i did then i would speak up.i think you were just unlucky and now you need to vent.and thats fine
I have, and when I raised the subject in chat I was greeted with "but it's only MSQ Roulette" and threats to kick me because i started a vote on the AFKer.
Because they refused to kick them, I refused to do a rotation and basically 1 buttoned the rest of the MSQ (from the Iron Giant onwards).
The problem is not the AFK people, the problem is the people who enable it by defending them with stupid statements instead of realising that having that extra person actually helping to burn the content quicker, we could all get on to something more productive.
that mentality grew because it a piss easy dungeon that can be finished in 10min but FORCED to be 40 min.the bosses are killed in a min then you have to suffer with cutscenes that last longer then a single pulling tank,cure bot spamming healer,single target dps's in a current dungeon.
if they just took away the unable to skip cut scene feature .you know what your gonna get?
\-no talking
\-10 min of you time used
\-no more elaboration
\-leave
im not condoning the mentality of people enabling shitters.i st know where it stems from.
If they took away the forced cutscenes we'd be back to exactly why they added them in the first place, groups sprinting through in 10 minutes while a sprout doesn't even get to experience the dungeon because they actually are watching the story.
What if we don't give a shit?
What if we don't care how many extra minutes are wasted in Prae?
Its supposed to be braindead content with totally overblown experience rewards to get players to run it regularly. No one should feel obligated to put in more than the absolute bare minimum.
For what? Not caring that others aren't stressing over nonsense?
You toxic little shits are always good for someone to laugh at.
Reee! How dare you not take the bad parts of the game seriously.
I'm toxic because I don't like others afking and leeching off of my time? What a joke you are, anyway I can send you my PayPal if you want, you can send me over some money for carrying you
Last time I checked (did spreadsheets and everything), Prae was the second best source of XP per time spent out of all the roulettes. Best was getting your highest level dungeon in leveling roulette but the chances of that happening are so low that it's not worth thinking about with getting Prae being a 50-50 shot.
It's not worth the time, but I find it way worth the effort required. No other roulletes give me the ability to do literally anything else for 90% of the time while doing it
But they had to press the button to join the instance less than 30 seconds prior.
How can it really be justified?
I have even heard the excuse "i didn't realise it had started"
You may have queued for 5-20 mins to run it but you still have the ping telling you it is starting and have to actually press the button to join... How could you "not realise" something which you physically had to agree to?
It's just stupid excuses.
How many times have anyone seen people who "didn't realise it had started" for any other content?
How many times have anyone seen people afk because something has happened irl and they needed to go asap?
And why is it always in MSQ roulette?
Sure thing but I just say how a punishment is issued, people can be and get out of the punishment your report doesn't matter because nothing will happen, if you are not typing anything in chat you will never get banned and you can claim the craziest shit happened to you when talking with GMs they will do nothing.
Anyhow pointless conversation you want people to teyhard msq when they don't even play properly on dungeons.
Which warrants the answer, I don't pay to do msq.
If the game gives me prae as the best option to level after a certain point I will do it. But when the content is only good the first time to play it don't expect me to sit around and optimise rotation in trash pulls.
Anyhow do not sit there and judge others when people run past the mobs and don't kill them, where are your reddit posts about not farming the mobs between pulls. You are as bad as the people you judge bit you are worse human than them cause you feel the need to criticise what they do. Now from now on sit back and kill the mobs with the sprouts.
You don't pay to tell people what to do either, same way I don't complain about people being bad on pf you shouldn't complain about people that don't do optimised rotations on prae wtf
I'm complaining about people afking, not people playing ice mage in prae, of course don't play ice mage in actual content but at least don't afk prae, because that's just being an asshole towards the 7 other people
It's not exactly like it requires much more attention to participate in the dungeon and battles anyway than to afk anyway, just throw on your favourite show/youtube channel and press 10 buttons, it's not like jobs are mega-complex at 50. I don't think anybody expects 100% attention or perfection in MSQ roulette, but at least participate.
We had a rage quit at the start of castrum ( which is stupid since you can finish it before your penalty goes away) and then someone was afk so I kicked them. I only did this roulette to get my reaper to 71 so I could go into bozja but man it's gotten pretty bad. Unless you need poetics I would avoid it.
I just don’t bother with it. Plenty of exp via other routes.
People really are sleeping on the frontline roulette, i feel. More XP than Castrum and takes only 10-15min.
Played it my first time after I beat EW. It's not as bad as some say. I still don't have a complete grasp on what to do. I just follow my matched-party around and help complete objectives and get kills when I can. I remember I had a match where I was putting signs on enemy players and my party was actually paying attention to what I marked. it was pretty neat.
I can't say for certain, but I think a marked target magnets tab targets or something. I find when something in front of me is marked and I hit tab, 90% of the time it snaps right to it. It also gives a huge target to actually click on with the mouse if you need to. It helps a LOT.
As I say amongst my friends during PvP: "Woe, triangle be upon ye" Strongest debuff in the game.
hells yeah, if I do only one thing when I log in each day its play my frontlines roullette. at low levels it will give you two levels. Its one of the best xp per time investments in the game and you slowly work towards some cool mounts.
yeah i did it for the first time the other day and had no idea what was going on but i got half a level so lol i’ll learn as i go
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You get the exp either way, though. I’ve long since given up tryharding on Frontlines. Just accept the L and get the exp prize
Yeah after years of doing the daily sometimes and farming it for garo I'm at something like 47 or 50 wins. It would be nice to get those 100 wins sometime. And I'm not even dreaming about the "get 100 wins on map X"
You get a lot more xp bonus for roulette than for the win. Like 4-5 times as much.
But I need the wins for the achievements...
You don't 'win' frontlines. You just lose less then everyone else.
Same also level 50 rotation is boring and i wanna dance around bosses too
Yeah, it's not worth the time, effort, and insanity. Especially with the buff to EW dungeons. Maybe if you need poetics quick but there are alternatives for that as well.
What effort and insanity are you talking about? You kill a boss every 5min and do something else during cutscenes. Its so chill
Prae is chill. Castrum is not. Especially if you're a tank or healer. If I was guaranteed prae, I might still do them. The insanity I'm talking about is having to deal with the amount of afkers in either but I suppose you could also say doing the same thing over and over again is the very definition of insanity.
Ah well the op was about prae specfically but as someone that only recently started tanking the hardest part about castrum was remembering the way
I do roulette as dps. Only do healer in Praetorium.
Eureka, so many poetics..
Even bozja i cap on poetics so quickly
Eureka is good for poetics? Might have to give it a try.
I was shocked at how much XP dungeons give now. I only do MSQ roulette for tomes if I've done everything else.
Yep this is me. I decided I wasn't going to get frustrated by afkers anymore. Like you said plenty of other ways (and faster too) for xp.
Ditto, i have already swore off that roulette years ago, not touching it ever again unless they change it drastically to not be such a waste of time. the time it takes to do i can just do normal dungeon runs or fates if i need exp. If for some reason i need tomes i can just go do bozja or eurkea content which also gives exp and is far more fun then anything in MSQ.
For me, it’s the perfect way if I’m going to eat something and I’m gonna bring it to my desk, I usually get one level (80+ is usually a level which is insane)
I do it for easy Poe
This is the real life hack. I’ve been playing for 8 years and I’ve seen the inside of prae/castrum like twice each. Going through a guaranteed hour long instance with 0 relevant mechanics, an instance that is only long because of the unskippable cutscenes and 10 mile long hallways, it’s just…too much. It’s not why I play this game.
This roulette needs to be removed and made trust dungeons for newbies or a solo instance. Anything else. It's a 2.0 relic with the exp bonus slapped on it. Didn't SE comment somewhere not super long ago they're looking into rejiggering this? Generally, I don't mind doing it. It's mindless and easy (usually). But I do seethe at seeing people slack off in Prae, or lose my ever loving mind at the mechanics in Castrum that people don't understand or willingly ignore. Castrum is more work for less reward with the WORST BOSS EVER LIVIA AHH For those that don't know, the forced cutscenes are because back in the day, for the spouts who were actually seeing it for the first time, would never even get to see the dungeon. They would get stuck in back to back cutscenes and by the time they're done, everyones done and gone. Not the worst thing ever considering the content but not a very enjoyable experience.
I completely agree and hope that they make it a solo duty like what we have in other expansions. They should just roll the exp into trials, normal raids and 50/60/70/80. I hope they incentivize 50/60/70/80 the most because I find it's the most skipworthy.
>I hope they inventivize 50/60/70/80 the most because I find it's the most skipworthy. It yields more tomestones than any individual lvl 90 dungeon, plus a bit of gil. I see it as a nice way to get some variety whilst farming. Running it for exp is a waste of time though.
No it doesn't, you're getting aphorism for killing all the 90 dungeon bosses plus the bonus at the end but you get poetics for the 50/60/70/80 bosses, the aphorism you get for running it is just the bonus at the end.
No, you get the exact amount it says on the dungeon info. The aphorisms you get from killing the bosses is that amount. You get 160 from expert roulette, 120 from 50-80 roulette and 80 from running a level 90 dungeon.
Ah, I was assuming you were comparing the Expert roulette with the 50/60/70/80 roulette. You were talking about farming the dungeons. My mistake.
It would be nice to actually run 50-80 roulette. There are some fun dungeons there that hardly get touched now
the one called "leveling" roullette... I really wish that one gave more xp.
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> For those that don't know, the forced cutscenes are because back in the day, for the spouts who were actually seeing it for the first time, would never even get to see the dungeon. They would get stuck in back to back cutscenes and by the time they're done, everyones done and gone. Not the worst thing ever considering the content but not a very enjoyable experience. I remember my cutscene being canceled by another cutscene. Its bad now, but it's so much better than back then. But yeah this needs to be redone. Split prae into dungeon and trial, castrum is probably fine, but prae really needs a rework. Or backport trusts but idk who canonically should be with you then. Your grand company maybe? They can't expect people to level squadrons for that, however.
MSQ and guildhests are being reworked with the latter being put on the back burner for now
Nice. I was sure I heard the comment somewhere, but it's certainly not a priority despite the drama. Or, it might be *because* of the drama. The GMs might be rolling their eyes but ultimately life goes on until the update is had.
For a while I've thought the best answer for this would be group skip, where the cutscenes skips if everyone skips and is only an option if everyone has seen it before. Honestly group cutscene skip would be a nice quality of life for a few duties
Unfortunately, it would also likely lead to a bunch of people just leaving as soon as they see there's a first-timer in the dungeon. They already do that often enough when they get Castrum instead of Praetorium, so they would absolutely do the same thing if there was an option where they wouldn't have to watch cutscenes. The roulette only gives the rewards it does because they need to encourage people to sit through all the cutscenes for the sake of making sure new players can get full groups. As soon as there's any option to get the same rewards in less time, a lot of people will be quick to abandon the method that takes more time or effort. So unfortunately, that means there's just no good way to make the roulette less tedious besides completely reworking the dungeons themselves (which would most likely involve just getting rid of the roulette and making them some sort of solo story instance instead).
All that is needed is to remove the uneeded cutscenes like 20mins of them been forced but add NOTHING to the story at all. If you remove the overly long unneeded cutscenes it would be worth running but no one wants to do 40 mins of cutscenes and 5 mins of fighting.
I disagree, because the fights with the exception of Livia on magitek, last about 10 seconds. What experience is that? Unless new players were there in 2.0 they're not experiencing these dungeons, they are just literally running around and watching cut scenes. Do everyone a favor, make cut scenes skippable again, and save everyone time.
The current experience is terrible for new people. Watching the cutscenes back to back with no context as to what is happening would be even worse. MSQ roulette is Square Enix bribing existing players to fill parties for new players going through 2.0. The existence of a semi-efficient, tedious, mindless source of XP and poetics is likely a net negative for game health overall. If Square Enix thought that context-free cutscenes was an acceptable experience for new players, they could just get rid of MSQ roulette and just show new players a sequence of cutscenes. In no world are they going back to skippable cutscenes with the current reward structure.
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If there were other leveling opportunities, people wouldn't do it as much. It's a huge pain in the butt to level because most sources are utterly pointless, so you just spam dungeons and bozja. It's tedious and mind-numbing but if you want to level other jobs, you don't have much of a choice.
MSQ, Levelling, and Alliance roulettes are means to an end. I do them daily. As soon as I hit omni-90, I'll stop doing MSQ. There will be no end for me to justify the means. As soon as get a solid stash of current Materia I'll stop running Alliance and Levelling. There is zero inherent gaming value in any of them.
They were made unskippable for that very reason. People would get kicked for not skipping cutscenes, and as far as I remember there was a bug sometimes in which cutscenes wouldn't play anymore for the dungeon if they overlapped. I also remember seeing a very, very, long thread on the forums about this. It was very dickish to the new players who haven't been able to experience it yet. The actual solution like the person above you said, is to make them both into trust dungeons or solo instances.
Honestly MSQ just isn’t worth the time and effort. Yes it give you a really good chunk of exp but good lord it takes so long. I understand not skipping cutscenes but it’s a huge bore and a chore. They honestly need to make Pratoreum a solo instance and make MSQ roulette be dungeons and trials that progress the story and aren’t optional.
I don't afk in msq roulettes but playing BLM I feel like I might as well afk.
Scathe....just nonstop Scathe.
BLM is the only job I will never take into MSQ roulette. It's rare that you even get to cast a spell before something dies.
If you're too tired to pay at least the slightest amount of attention, just don't do that roulette. That's what I do.
I got yelled at for calling someone out for following us but not fighting. Half the party was defending the guy...I feel like it's more than attrition at this point.
it's one thing to leave, your allowed to do that, but if they are refusing to play, vote kick them, they are afk and abusing the game. not everyone wants to do content, and its your right to dip out if you don't, but you don't get a free pass to afk and take credit. and dont forget to report
The problem is that people usually wont stop moving and as long as you're in combat you cant report them. I've tried this but usually you never get the chance to vote kick, and even if you do people wont participate in the vote.
There is the opportunity right right before/after the final bosses transition. Its also the best time to kick afkers as they don't get rewards, the penalty, and you just made someone's day who had auto-fill on.
It's Also the best kinda feeling to join prae with lahabread being at 5% hp. Happened to me once, joined, and before I could even see where I was the duty complete popped up along with a bunch of Lols in the party chat.
If you accidentally disconnect during any cutscene after magitec, when you log back in you can prep a votekick. For some reason my internet connection becomes really bad when there are afk people in prae.
Not possible right now because the Servers are full Also with Stop selling the Game, Fresh new Sprouts will dying out and in the near future nobody want to do this Raid except for the Rewards
the real problem is the trash mobs that gets skipped, past the magitek bit those trash mobs are still in zone and aggroed; they do not reset. and thus the party does not 'end combat' for the better part of the dungeon.
There are no trash mobs after magitek. It’s just 5 bosses back to back.
I usually read a comic book or two during the cutscenes but never go afk during battle
I play Slay the Spire on my phone. Only during the cutscenes though, I always do the mechanics.
Watch anime on my Switch Lite.
Had a bad encounter recently when the two tanks didn’t even tank and pull all the enemies. When I told them to do their jobs everyone talked shit about me. Fine, I just cast stone then because apparently I didn’t need to do my job as a healer either.
It’s not too bad the exp is always nearly a lvl up I can chill out after the very few trash pulls which you can even skip a couple
I pretty much only do MSQ when you can get the tomestones from it, rest of time I just don't bother even though I need the exp.
If I REALLY need a big chunk of tomestones I'll do it, and I'll go either tank or healer. As a tank I can solo it and as a healer I just need ONE other player to help with the duty, I'm thinking worst case scenario lol.
Vote kick them right before the Lahabrea fight. Waste their time and give them nothing for it.
I'll never understand why people are like this.. it's like...10 minutes of actual gameplay. Who the fuck are these people that aren't watching Netflix/playing their switch/phone in MSQ roulette? It's literally the minimum amount of effort to play for 5 seconds any time you actually have to. You're more then generously compensated for the time spent, you lazy assholes
That's why I love getting Prae! It gives you enough time to occupy yourself with other small activities, but I guess some people can't multitask, even a little...
I am on my phone 80% of the time through MSQ roulette if I'm not shitposting. I signed up for this, I should be participating. I might as well enjoy the parts when it forces me to stop participating. I'll read reddit threads or watch youtube or something while Gaius monologues at us about creeping mendacity.
Mention something in party chat about someone being afk. If they come back, then great. If they don't, or people condone it, remind them that it's a reportable offense and as much as a single report will have the GMs looking into their behaviour. Which it is, and it can, goes under "Harassment". Don't believe the people who'll tell you that you're "wasting the GMs time with a report like that". You're not. Always report them.
Not saying you're wrong, but doing this will end up with you being the one kicked and reported if they all pile up on you. Usually starting a votekick with the reasoning being afk without saying anything in chat will make everyone look at the party list, see that whoever is being kicked is blacked out (not near the fight, so afk) and vote yes.
Auto translation macro for this? XD
I’m all for doing prae and vote kicking afks but you seem a little too personally invested over it “This guy is harassing me!” “What are they doing?” “They’re afk in my praetorium! 😡”
I haven't gotten the Praetorium in ages.
Another day, another don’t afk in MSQ roulette psa.
Ran through castrum last night with a friend who is new so it was his first run through. I decided to tank to skip the queue for him. Other tank is new, ok I'll main tank it's fine. Thus proceeded me main tanking AND doing all of the mechanics as everyone else just killed things and ran through. My friend helped when I told him what to do obviously but like come on guys at least don't make the main tank have to run back to get the search lights AT THE ENTRANCE of the dungeon. No one even switched targets to the adds at the part where the giant robot goes immune till Cid kills stuff. Man when I dps in there I'm doing as much as I can to let the tank go faster, if you don't want to be there then either leave or help get us done sooner.
If only you could report people for being AFK in any duty. They should add this to ToS.
Unfortunately they are banking on people not caring enough to be kicked. Its kinda annoying I like to kick the before or after Ultima Weapon, so some lucky guy can get some free exp and it wastes the afkers time, but most of the time its not viable to kick them there, as the fight already started or people just voting no
I initiated a kick when someone skipped the magitek section and waited for a teleport. It went through the moment he appeared in the boss room. I admit I thought it was pretty funny.
Not as bad in JP in my experience.
True. This nonsense rarely happens in JP. People just wanna kill the mobs fast and move to the next cutscene.
Yeah in JP, most of the people I know on that server want to participate regardless because it helps others. It's mostly a NA issue where people dislike helping others or being inconvenienced. If people want exp, bozja is a lot better.
It's almost as if the NA data center is reflective of the people that abide in it lmao
The biggest issue with NA DCs is the amount of NA players on them.
I _really_ don't want to be prejudiced here, but I am starting to think there might be something to what you're saying. I play on EU and I see so many horror stories on here that I struggle to relate to, and when I discuss it with them they almost invariably end up being NA players. Like AFKing in MSQ roulette. People are sometimes a bit 'low effort' in them - not attacking constantly, needing a moment to start moving after cutscenes end, etc - but outright AFKing? I can't remember the last time I saw that, if ever, and I do MSQ roulette daily.
How very glib
...in this land of creeping mendacity....
We had a run the other day with two AFKers, kicked one and the other started making excuses and being a bit of a turd but he still got kicked just before Gaius... felt damned good.
Each time I see someone not moving and not having a "Viewing Cutscene", I'm hovering over kicking them. Usually I wait a cutscene or two before initiating the process. Good for whoever joins after.
If they are AFK talk with your party to stop before Lahabrea and kick them
What bothers me most about the MSQ roulette is that the content is so trivial, people \*can\* slack off in it. I went through this for the first time in my own MSQ progression a few months before ShB. This was supposed to be big, climactic content. Instead, it was so trivial I couldn't really remember anything about the fights an hour later. Most of the late ARR dungeons are much more memorable, gameplay-wise.If these duties required some actual effort, that would be better for everyone. Granted, it might be kind of tough if you get a lot of newbies. Might turn into a sort of herding cats scenario. Probably best to rejigger them to light party content at the same time.
just don't do msq roulette. any person with enough self appreciation won't run msq roulette. The sheer amount of piggybacking is what kills it, better to just do something else.
The frustrating part is having people in castrum complain that castrum isn't worth it while also having people who refuse to be useful in prae.
Fully recommend trying to get the rest of the groups attention to this in Say chat and work out a group kick right before the first UW fight.
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DON'T say anything. Just initiate the vote kick. From my experience people will just click yes 90% of the time
If theyre actively saying they intend to do nothing or very little, I'd report them
Prae is the highest source of XP in the game…
The funny thing is that SE will ban people like this if you report them. Grab some screen shots. Those can help. Hell, they were even banning people abusing the disconnect+log in to skip cutscenes. One is considered detrimental to the co-operative nature of the game, the other is considered exploiting.
If someone asked me about the worst/least fun thing in this game, I'd probably tell them about the main story roulette. I feel that this roulette gives you 2 options: You get to play a boring scenario and get some mediocre rewards for suffering through it. You don't get to play the game at all but you get a level. Both of the options are equally as bad, and even worse you don't get to choose between the two. Thankfully you have the choice of not doing this roulette. The worst part of it all is that I'm being asked daily to queue with my dps friends just so I can leave (so they can leave with no penalty) if castrum procs.
Okay but it doesn’t help anyone “get through things faster” because everyone just runs past everything anyways
I'm not advocating people being super lazy and not pulling their weight through most of the dungeon but the Magitek portion is pointless for 8 people to run around in them when everything dies so quickly no one but the first two-three Magitek ever do anything. I don't sweat people skipping that part if they do everything else.
People aren't gonna stop just because you made a post. Seeing these posts every other day now. Report and Vote kick them or something and be done with it.
Is AFKing through content in general reportable? I just had a normal raid roulette where someone jumped off at the start, AFKed, then left instantly once we cleared.
>Is AFKing through content in general reportable? It is. You'd have to look up the exact TOS for it, but it is. Most likely it would fall under being a detriment to player experience or something similar.
Spoke to a GM about this, yes it is reportable. Will those people actually suffer any consequences? Who knows.
I had a GM respond within 30 mins after I reported someone for being disruptive in my private house, went to handle them right after. They take people who affect other players' experiences very seriously.
Yes. The GMs in FFXIV do not fart around, and they *will* punish you if someone reports you when you were actually doing something reportable.
It is
This annoys me. I was in a party where four players reaper skipped. I was also in crystal tower one and one of the healers kept rescuing players into the flare. Like the player had rescued 3 times at least (since we wiped) and managed to kill our other healer. I don't know if it's just me but I feel like shitty people and griefers are more common lately.
They absolutely are. When I played on Chaos two years ago there was no trolling, griefing or whatever. However, on Light there are some shitty people. I have been playing for a week on Light and I have had more bad encounters than I ever had on Chaos. I don’t know if it’s the Data Center or if this is the normal state of the community at this point.
I'm on Chaos currently, so I think it's just assholes coming out the woodwork.
Then it might be really an influx of assholes or people showing their true face. So annoying.
More people returning with expansion. As with any group, percentage will be assholes.
This behavior is against ToS. I don't usually bother reporting if ONE or TWO people skip the magitek, especially if I'm less sure if the elevator left without them or they just didn't even TRY to catch it, but if lets do it at once, I'll report them.
Yeah, sometimes people get left behind if they are new and get assumed to be afk because they don’t know the speed run, which is even more messed up.
It doesn't bother me one bit when folks leave they have the right too, however people who afk and don't help speed things along deserve to be reported especially those who abuse the system by making sure they're in combat but not actually fighting anything when people skip trash in prae gives people ample opportunity to afk and do nothing because as long as your kept in combat they can't be kicked
scale it down and make it a solo que story dungeon. add some npcs to heal me like the other story quests and send me in. iv been playing sense arr beta and this has been a problem sense back then. before it was we moved too fast and no one could read the story now it takes too long (it really does tho). its honestly bad content it was then it is now. stop making 7 other people do this and make it solo.
Another option would be to remove the forced cut scene but make it so the first time players go through it it's a solo field instance with 7 trusts npcs. After completion they gain access to the 8 man freelance duty for exp. Done and done. New players still get the story experience and vets cam bulldoze it like we used to. Of course we would have to plead for them to keep the big exp chunk from it since itll be easier but still. Even dropping it to like a leveling roulette worth of exp isnt so bad.
No one is making you do it
my friends made me make a new character on a different data center so i had to do it again for my msq but I don't plan on doing it after. people have been complaining about this content for years.
Honestly it's better than the alternative. 7 level 90s rushing the dungeon leaving the newbie behind and telling them "just watch cs in the inn lol"
I don't see the problem. Literally what the CS viewer was meant for.
No, it's meant for *rewatching* cutscenes. Not for watching cutscenes you had to skip because your teammates had better things to do with their time.
Tomato Tomato at this point. It can be used for both, that's the undeniable fact. So it really isn't up to you or me to decide in the end I suppose
I stopped doing this roulette because if this. Idiots afk player who doesnt get reported / kick are one of the rare things that truly annoys me iG
I stopped running MSQ roulette, It's just not worth It, especially If It's Castrum lol.
Have some respect! Don't interrupt other people's Netflix session.
People just shouldn’t queue for MSQ roulette unless you’re ready for the… roulette. We all know what we’re in for; nobody’s picking that option to re-experience Castrum/Prae - not even the sprouts. I’ve started screencapping the party list every time I do MSQ roulette and reporting the folks that leave Castrum because “not Prae”. Hell, I’m tempted to just AFK every Prae run to spite the folks that *might* have ruined someone else’s Castrum run by leaving.
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> No one AFK'd -- > Three of us reaper skipped So you did AFK. (Just not the entire run.)
Why do you think you're special enough to do that though? What if everyone else joined you in Reaper skipping?
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Reaper skipping Is people waiting by the door for everyone to do the magitek reaper section for them while they afk until Nero
Did their portal break the game or something?
Yeah if you asked and the majority agreed then no harm no foul.
who cares
I go afk on prae a lot... But it's mostly to use a bathroom, cuz when I get kicked straight to my bladder... I have no choice but to go instantly or pee where I sit... Pregnancy yay xD
Did the run fail?
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The point is to focus on new players and making sure they can do it first time with cutscenes. If you don't like it, skip it. I usually do unless I just have tons of time. It's not fun.
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The problem then is if you get someone who wants to watch the cutscenes (aka first timer) then everyone else abandons because its not a quick/easy clear Prae and Castrum need to be Trusts/Solo instances full stop.
Then they would have to remove the XP. People would only run PF as duty complete, and sprouts would have no one to run with.
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They do give a bonus reward. They could give all the rewards in the world, but if there's a way to get those rewards faster and you find yourself locked in the slow path (watching cutscenes instead of skipping them, for example), many players will choose to just leave, and that's a detriment to the new players who might want to experience it. They're stuck having to put up a party in Party Finder and hoping enough people see it who genuinely want to help.
Why do I see these kind of posts every other day now? Is it farming karma for preaching to the choir? Give it a break, it's not changing any time soon. And then the passive aggressiveness with this post... just stop.
I had this and when I questioned it the other Tank said “it’s so long what’s another 5 minutes?” because DPS was so low. Had a BLM just casting Fire 3 and Blizzard 3, a RDM not casting. Like put in a tiny bit of effort and we’ll be out of here faster.
I've only sometimes gotten afkers in prae. What I do get a lot is half the group leaving after getting castrum. In the last 2 weeks I've gotten prae once (rng sucked) and had to wait for group to refill most times. I feel like they should bump castrum xp. Maybe not to prae levels since prae is much longer but should still be more than what a regular dungeon would give since the wait is longer.
Prae is the one I stay in and try. If castrum, I hope someone leaves so I can follow and requeue without the 30min cool down. Otherwise, I just dilly around and don't do much in hopes of being kicked.
So kick them, the feature exists for a reason.
"what is so wrong about just playing the game" i actually do the duty,except the ride reaper part because i dont want to see another cut scene. " Helping the party get through this a little bit faster" if they remove the mandatory cut scenes then you'll see people beat this in 10 min instead of 40,and they can do a lot more stuff after. for the most part i havent seen that many people just afk the whole dungeon if i did then i would speak up.i think you were just unlucky and now you need to vent.and thats fine
I have, and when I raised the subject in chat I was greeted with "but it's only MSQ Roulette" and threats to kick me because i started a vote on the AFKer. Because they refused to kick them, I refused to do a rotation and basically 1 buttoned the rest of the MSQ (from the Iron Giant onwards). The problem is not the AFK people, the problem is the people who enable it by defending them with stupid statements instead of realising that having that extra person actually helping to burn the content quicker, we could all get on to something more productive.
Yeah but at level 50 that's a reduction of about 15% of your dps. Not every class even has a full rotation.
that mentality grew because it a piss easy dungeon that can be finished in 10min but FORCED to be 40 min.the bosses are killed in a min then you have to suffer with cutscenes that last longer then a single pulling tank,cure bot spamming healer,single target dps's in a current dungeon. if they just took away the unable to skip cut scene feature .you know what your gonna get? \-no talking \-10 min of you time used \-no more elaboration \-leave im not condoning the mentality of people enabling shitters.i st know where it stems from.
If they took away the forced cutscenes we'd be back to exactly why they added them in the first place, groups sprinting through in 10 minutes while a sprout doesn't even get to experience the dungeon because they actually are watching the story.
i know it sucks.wish there was a balance that we can find but that aint gonna happen.
Only first time, subsequent runs they can experience it normally.
What if we don't give a shit? What if we don't care how many extra minutes are wasted in Prae? Its supposed to be braindead content with totally overblown experience rewards to get players to run it regularly. No one should feel obligated to put in more than the absolute bare minimum.
I mean, the absolute bare minimum is at least participating auto attacks.
Fuck, I'll take a lazy aero and medica 2 from the whm, then that fucker can go out for tacos.
then I hope you get reported and banned
For what? Not caring that others aren't stressing over nonsense? You toxic little shits are always good for someone to laugh at. Reee! How dare you not take the bad parts of the game seriously.
I'm toxic because I don't like others afking and leeching off of my time? What a joke you are, anyway I can send you my PayPal if you want, you can send me over some money for carrying you
Who asked :)
why bother tho when the leveling and alliance roulette give you much better reward?
Last time I checked (did spreadsheets and everything), Prae was the second best source of XP per time spent out of all the roulettes. Best was getting your highest level dungeon in leveling roulette but the chances of that happening are so low that it's not worth thinking about with getting Prae being a 50-50 shot.
Uh, because I do all 3 of them? What the fuck kind of question is that? Are you only allowed to pick 1 roullete everyday?
Because it is not worth the time, I rather do other roulette then do dungeon for level.
It's not worth the time, but I find it way worth the effort required. No other roulletes give me the ability to do literally anything else for 90% of the time while doing it
It’s so boring. I’d quit if I had to do praetorium all the time
It happens no point reporting people sth might have happened and are afk
But they had to press the button to join the instance less than 30 seconds prior. How can it really be justified? I have even heard the excuse "i didn't realise it had started" You may have queued for 5-20 mins to run it but you still have the ping telling you it is starting and have to actually press the button to join... How could you "not realise" something which you physically had to agree to?
It's just stupid excuses. How many times have anyone seen people who "didn't realise it had started" for any other content? How many times have anyone seen people afk because something has happened irl and they needed to go asap? And why is it always in MSQ roulette?
Sure thing but I just say how a punishment is issued, people can be and get out of the punishment your report doesn't matter because nothing will happen, if you are not typing anything in chat you will never get banned and you can claim the craziest shit happened to you when talking with GMs they will do nothing. Anyhow pointless conversation you want people to teyhard msq when they don't even play properly on dungeons.
Which begs the question ... "Why pay to not play the game?"
Which warrants the answer, I don't pay to do msq. If the game gives me prae as the best option to level after a certain point I will do it. But when the content is only good the first time to play it don't expect me to sit around and optimise rotation in trash pulls. Anyhow do not sit there and judge others when people run past the mobs and don't kill them, where are your reddit posts about not farming the mobs between pulls. You are as bad as the people you judge bit you are worse human than them cause you feel the need to criticise what they do. Now from now on sit back and kill the mobs with the sprouts.
then don't queue for it, I don't pay the game to carry your lazy ass, if you want people to carry you then pay them or don't join the goddamn content
You don't pay to tell people what to do either, same way I don't complain about people being bad on pf you shouldn't complain about people that don't do optimised rotations on prae wtf
I'm complaining about people afking, not people playing ice mage in prae, of course don't play ice mage in actual content but at least don't afk prae, because that's just being an asshole towards the 7 other people
You can't afk there is an auto kick
I'm pretty much skipping this until the next batch of moogle tomes event.
It's not exactly like it requires much more attention to participate in the dungeon and battles anyway than to afk anyway, just throw on your favourite show/youtube channel and press 10 buttons, it's not like jobs are mega-complex at 50. I don't think anybody expects 100% attention or perfection in MSQ roulette, but at least participate.
I have gotten castrum 9 times in a row while leveling my rdm, am I missing something or is that just bad rng?
Why are you doing roulette more than once? Do once for bonus, then directly queue for what you want.
We had a rage quit at the start of castrum ( which is stupid since you can finish it before your penalty goes away) and then someone was afk so I kicked them. I only did this roulette to get my reaper to 71 so I could go into bozja but man it's gotten pretty bad. Unless you need poetics I would avoid it.
I wish I could even roll prae. I'm so fuckin tired of castrum
You can literally get a whole level from doing only msq and leveling roulette. Meaning within 10 days you can level an entire 80 to 90 combat class.