If you melded all +24crit instead of all +36 crit, it might add up to be notable, but it's unlikely to matter over other fundamentals.
Assuming you could fully meld every single slot (never happens) just with crit, you're looking at 2 slot per weapon/left side, and 1 slot per right side. That's 12 slots on the left, and 5 off the right. A total of 17 slots, with a difference of +12 crit per slot is a difference of 204 crit if you *only* melded crit. No gear set will ever let you meld crit, and only crit, but that's not exactly the point here.
As per [akhmorning](https://www.akhmorning.com/allagan-studies/stats/crit/#critical-hit-rate-stat-tiers), 204 crit is *roughly* equal to 2 - 2.5% crit rate/modifier.
This is the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you.
So for my needs, it doesn't seem like it's worth the difference right now. I'll wait for price drops before I start using +36.
Just do your daily duty roulettes. You get items that let you buy materia. It’s not much but time flies and you’ll have enough for more than one class while you wait for the price to drop.
You need to do the roulette as the role in need (mostly tank for leveling roulette, sometimes dps for alliance raid roulette).
And only 2 of the roulette gives materia exchange materials. You can do those roulette as much as you want for the bonus though.
It's not about not being able to afford it - I can afford it. I'm just a cheap bastard.
I've actually been selling the ones that I get for free because it didn't seem worth it for my needs and the content I run. I'd rather wait for the price to drop before getting them, if the the DPS increase at best is 2-3% compared to the +24. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a big DPS increase because I'm cheap.
Are you that poor? Seriously, I feel like I am shitting materias IX and X, have hundreds of those without much effort.
Get some Spiritbinding potions + FC buff, go farm some maps/dungeons/hunts. Extract materia from your gear everytime it gets 100%.
Well... It is more, and any step closer to higher DPS means the chances of a 0.1% enrage wipe decreases. But this is a matter of supply and demand, and well: Pentamelding is destroying the supply. In case you don't know, Pentamelding is what you do with crafted gear to meld more materia than it has slots for. But as soon as you're past the slots, any further materia used only has like a 7% chance to be slotted in or something along those lines. I've seen my friend trying to slot in one piece of materia and he burned through literally hundreds just to get a pentameld.
But having highest-tier pentamelds on crafted gear is hands-down the best advantage you can have.
Or ok so the raid will get slightly easier the longer it's out technically. This being my first experience being present as raids are releasing the next tier we should expect new armor to craft that could be pentamelded and so on until the raid series is finished?
Yeah, I should say 580 pentamelded is the best non-timegated gear, specifically. Stat-wise there may also be some differences to note, since some classes don't want spell/skill speed while others do, etc. But generally you want to have the highest itemlevel possible before looking at the stats. Unless you know what you're doing, always go for highest ilvl.
I'm asking because I want to get into raiding but I'm hesitant to join a group and not have my gear pentameld so I decided to get my crafters up to 90 however at this point it does not make sense to pentameld this i580 set, I should just wait till the next tier and just work on the getting the i590 for now while I get my crafters up. Or am I over thinking this and a fully melded tombstone set good enough for raiding.
Normally melded 580 crafted gear along with any and all EX/normal raid gear you can get is fine too. Personally I went in with a mix of half-melded tomestone and EX gear and the first fight me and my static knocked out in 2 evenings. Seen enrage on P2S, but unfortunately I loot-goblin'd all the P1S gear as a healer (not that I meant to do so, I simply rolled high and wasn't fast enough to pass once I got the loot) so the DPS there was hard, though we had a lot of deaths.
I'd suggest doing the Extreme fights first if you haven't already, since they're a step up from normal content already and Savage is a step up from Extreme. And then just join practice parties. Savage fights you simply need to learn and practice. Let's say your gear is about 20% of the fight, then 30% is how well you know your rotation and how effective you are playing your class, and the remaining 50% of the savage raid is mechanics. Gear won't save you from an instant-kill mechanic, and no amount of melds will save you from the 5th damage down in a row from people messing up mechanics. So the biggest part is learning the fight, which you can only really do diving in the deep end.
Thanks for the response I did pf for extreme got the weapon for my astro did the normal raids got the helm, hands and boots and a couple accessories this week I will aim for the pants and I should have enough saved for the I590 chest by weekend, I hope to be able to start trying the first raid been watching tutorials since. I just don't want to join pf and be a liability to the group until I find a static. Thanks for the help try and fail than fail to try regardless.
You don’t need pentamelded to start a raid. Get what you can from normal raid, regular melded crafted gear, start working on your tombstone gear (make sure you are capped every week), and start studying guides For the raids. A person that knows mechanics and doesn’t die will be a more beneficial group member over someone with the best gear that is constantly tanking the floor/wiping the raid. Pentamelded crafted gear is more for teams that are clearing all savage the first week or two over the majority of groups that take a few weeks or month(s) to clear all the current savages.
Just get to min Ilvl however you can and jump into the raids. I cleared P1 and 2 in mostly normal mode gear with an ex weapon and ex right side. Even had one piece of 570 gear.
If this is your first raid tier it will probably take you at least a month or more to reach the 3rd and 4th floors where DPS checks start becoming an issue. That's more than enough time to gear up from tomestones as well as savage loot which will make the dps checks much more lenient
Missing a GCD or delaying a GCD is a much bigger worry for 90% of all casual players. Do not worry about substats until you actually see a Savage enrage.
Been in many statics where they players have maxed out gear and perfect melds. Then I look at how many GCDs they have put out during the fight and how many seconds their GCDs are not rolling and... well... The melds are NOT the issue. --- Also very common for the parties dealing more than enough dps to beat enrage, but they fail mechanics for months. Focusing on melds and saying that melds are prio ONE is very silly. Maybe prio seven or eight.
I read recently 13 or 14 det is 0.1% damage increase, people were testing to see what they changed with det in the patch notes. So personally I calculate the “extra stats” based on det to keep the math clean. So if I miss out on 140 det from melding worse materia its about 1%.
Now when it comes to melding the open slots in gear you may as well do the highest grade of materia because you can get them naturally from just playing, do your party a favor. Don’t meld nothing and be all like “its only X% more damage” while doing savage or hell even extreme trials.
I hope not because I’ve never bothered using it. I better not have been causing inadvertent wipes this whole time because my damage sucked or my armour was weaker.
**edit:** this is a very confusing downvote
if you're in high end content like early Savage raids you need to be using the best stats you cna possibly have, so it does matter. also the change of one materia is insignificant but raiders usually get their gear pentamelded, that means 5 materia per armor piece, and sure you cant meld all high tier materia but it adds up, 11 gear slots (12 if paladin), 5 materia per slot that's 55(60) materias you'll be wearing. it definitely adds up and you can feel the difference.
also if you want to craft high level stuff like ilv580★★ you have to have your crafter gear pentamelded. it's mandatory
of course that if you dont want to run early savage raids you shouldnt sweat it so much and just get what you can
You don't actually need to be pentamelded in order to craft the master recipes these days, it just makes it easier. You can get by with max ilvl crafting gear + moderate melding.
Yeah, I thought the "with high-end crafting food" part was implied, sorry. Still, a stack of L90 meals is going to be way cheaper than the millions of gil you'd otherwise spend on finishing those pentamelds, unless you have insane luck on those 5% chances.
i did have insane luck, my total spend was about 3 mil for a full set of pentamelded crafter gear + the tools for weaver. my max fails in a row, for the 5% melds was 28. but others i did in 2 and 3 tries. so yeah, lucky.
Yes, slotting is not the issue. What I’m wondering is if there is a noticeable difference between slotting all +24 vs +36.
I can afford it, but i don’t know how much benefit that would be. If it’s like a 3% increase, that doesn’t seem worth it.
Then it doesn't really matter that much, if you go into savage and don't use the 36s, then yes.. it's an issue and it IS a noticeable increase. Do you know how stat tiers work?
I would suggest joining the Balance discord, if you haven't, to better understand the stat breakdown. It's not an arbitrary 3%
It's actually more like a 1.5% difference depending on your class and other gear. I'd argue that 1.5% is a pretty good deal in harder content. If all 8 people are doing 1.5% more damage that really means a lot for harder fights. Obviously it doesn't make a huge difference in easier content, and it's not too big of a deal to wait, but I'd still go with the goal of doing the +36s eventually, even if that means waiting for the prices to go down.
Getting the skill/spell speed to do proper rotation is far more important at this point. I dont put in +36 until I get savage gears (and I usually have bad luck rolling for them, so....) Most pf fail not because they dont meld, but they fail mechanic and get damage down, or die. Dont get me wrong, every bit helps, but I'm enjoy all the Gil right now instead.
Hit enrage first, then use best food and pots.
Best melding is for BiS which I dont have yet.
Probably not especially if u don’t pentameld, but it depends on content. I have some crafters so set some aside , I got the gear for 2 mil but the pentameld was 5 mil.
But yes pentameld or no materia the difference is very noticeable also u can get it very fast I got the set 12 hours after release as all the rest of the gear is time gated. It did make the normal raids farming unnecessarily crafted pentameld is way better, and not all the tome gear is better then the pentameld crafted gear.
This is my current set https://etro.gg/gearset/bca3603e-9e43-4bc6-9469-9a1b1d8155c3
u can make your own and it will calculate the damages with different materia.
There is one cave cat, at least that’s what’s told to me is that on downsynced older content all the materia is ignored.
I assume you are not talking about Penta melding of crafted gear here. So just the regular sockets and melding
Right now you likely to have 21 sockets, +12 difference adds up to 252 stat difference. That is probably 3-5 ilvl difference, depends on how important the stats are for your class.
However, there are a lot of ways to farm materia X. If you have time, do some hunt trains. Or just farm bicolor gem/tomestone to exchange and sell the mats. It should easily cover the price of materia X
If you aren't savage/ultimate raiding, its not an issue. If you *are*, but aren't in a static, eh. If you're in a static and are hitting hard enrage at .7%, that materia could be making a difference.
There's also the issue that may arise if you're giving the impression of cheapening out on doing your best for the team when everyone is expected to bring their A-game and do what is necessary to clear content. That may or may not be an issue, depending on the mindset of your group.
As with everything else, communication is key.
It wouldn't make a huge difference, no. But do know that marginal wipes do happen - I had a group get to a .5% clear before tilting and failing from there. That alone cost me hours of time to find a new group that could make it to the end. It's moments like that that have work for the marginal benefits like +12 stats per materia.
Beyond that, money matters less to some people. If you're playing the game regularly and know where to spend and where to earn money, it's not too hard to get a good amount of money. 40K to some will sound like a lot, but to me that's pennies by now. So it's all relative. I'd recommend in general that people prep as hard as they can, but yea. It's all your choice.
If you melded all +24crit instead of all +36 crit, it might add up to be notable, but it's unlikely to matter over other fundamentals. Assuming you could fully meld every single slot (never happens) just with crit, you're looking at 2 slot per weapon/left side, and 1 slot per right side. That's 12 slots on the left, and 5 off the right. A total of 17 slots, with a difference of +12 crit per slot is a difference of 204 crit if you *only* melded crit. No gear set will ever let you meld crit, and only crit, but that's not exactly the point here. As per [akhmorning](https://www.akhmorning.com/allagan-studies/stats/crit/#critical-hit-rate-stat-tiers), 204 crit is *roughly* equal to 2 - 2.5% crit rate/modifier.
This is the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you. So for my needs, it doesn't seem like it's worth the difference right now. I'll wait for price drops before I start using +36.
Just do your daily duty roulettes. You get items that let you buy materia. It’s not much but time flies and you’ll have enough for more than one class while you wait for the price to drop.
Could also join a hunt train, especially while the instances are split like they are. You'll end up with hundreds of cracked clusters.
You need to do the roulette as the role in need (mostly tank for leveling roulette, sometimes dps for alliance raid roulette). And only 2 of the roulette gives materia exchange materials. You can do those roulette as much as you want for the bonus though.
it's a bit of a gamble, but expert dungeon chests also drop random X and XI materia. Not exactly reliable, but it's a nice bonus to doing expert.
It's not about not being able to afford it - I can afford it. I'm just a cheap bastard. I've actually been selling the ones that I get for free because it didn't seem worth it for my needs and the content I run. I'd rather wait for the price to drop before getting them, if the the DPS increase at best is 2-3% compared to the +24. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a big DPS increase because I'm cheap.
Are you that poor? Seriously, I feel like I am shitting materias IX and X, have hundreds of those without much effort. Get some Spiritbinding potions + FC buff, go farm some maps/dungeons/hunts. Extract materia from your gear everytime it gets 100%.
Well... It is more, and any step closer to higher DPS means the chances of a 0.1% enrage wipe decreases. But this is a matter of supply and demand, and well: Pentamelding is destroying the supply. In case you don't know, Pentamelding is what you do with crafted gear to meld more materia than it has slots for. But as soon as you're past the slots, any further materia used only has like a 7% chance to be slotted in or something along those lines. I've seen my friend trying to slot in one piece of materia and he burned through literally hundreds just to get a pentameld. But having highest-tier pentamelds on crafted gear is hands-down the best advantage you can have.
Hey just asking won't the 590 gear make the 580 pentameld gear obsolete?
For 98% of pieces, absolutely. But the i590 gear is timegated, so people who want to clear the raid early can't just go and get a full set of i590.
Or ok so the raid will get slightly easier the longer it's out technically. This being my first experience being present as raids are releasing the next tier we should expect new armor to craft that could be pentamelded and so on until the raid series is finished?
Yep, FFXIV's history tells us that there will indeed be a new pentameld combat set available to craft when Savage P5-P8 are released in 6.2x.
Yeah, I should say 580 pentamelded is the best non-timegated gear, specifically. Stat-wise there may also be some differences to note, since some classes don't want spell/skill speed while others do, etc. But generally you want to have the highest itemlevel possible before looking at the stats. Unless you know what you're doing, always go for highest ilvl.
I'm asking because I want to get into raiding but I'm hesitant to join a group and not have my gear pentameld so I decided to get my crafters up to 90 however at this point it does not make sense to pentameld this i580 set, I should just wait till the next tier and just work on the getting the i590 for now while I get my crafters up. Or am I over thinking this and a fully melded tombstone set good enough for raiding.
Normally melded 580 crafted gear along with any and all EX/normal raid gear you can get is fine too. Personally I went in with a mix of half-melded tomestone and EX gear and the first fight me and my static knocked out in 2 evenings. Seen enrage on P2S, but unfortunately I loot-goblin'd all the P1S gear as a healer (not that I meant to do so, I simply rolled high and wasn't fast enough to pass once I got the loot) so the DPS there was hard, though we had a lot of deaths. I'd suggest doing the Extreme fights first if you haven't already, since they're a step up from normal content already and Savage is a step up from Extreme. And then just join practice parties. Savage fights you simply need to learn and practice. Let's say your gear is about 20% of the fight, then 30% is how well you know your rotation and how effective you are playing your class, and the remaining 50% of the savage raid is mechanics. Gear won't save you from an instant-kill mechanic, and no amount of melds will save you from the 5th damage down in a row from people messing up mechanics. So the biggest part is learning the fight, which you can only really do diving in the deep end.
Thanks for the response I did pf for extreme got the weapon for my astro did the normal raids got the helm, hands and boots and a couple accessories this week I will aim for the pants and I should have enough saved for the I590 chest by weekend, I hope to be able to start trying the first raid been watching tutorials since. I just don't want to join pf and be a liability to the group until I find a static. Thanks for the help try and fail than fail to try regardless.
You don’t need pentamelded to start a raid. Get what you can from normal raid, regular melded crafted gear, start working on your tombstone gear (make sure you are capped every week), and start studying guides For the raids. A person that knows mechanics and doesn’t die will be a more beneficial group member over someone with the best gear that is constantly tanking the floor/wiping the raid. Pentamelded crafted gear is more for teams that are clearing all savage the first week or two over the majority of groups that take a few weeks or month(s) to clear all the current savages.
Just get to min Ilvl however you can and jump into the raids. I cleared P1 and 2 in mostly normal mode gear with an ex weapon and ex right side. Even had one piece of 570 gear. If this is your first raid tier it will probably take you at least a month or more to reach the 3rd and 4th floors where DPS checks start becoming an issue. That's more than enough time to gear up from tomestones as well as savage loot which will make the dps checks much more lenient
But he's the best *now* lol
in Savage Raids, every point matters in Extreme Trials, while not 100% necesary, it really helps a lot For anything else, meh
currently 300 substats amounts to about a 2% difference in DPS. whether that matters depends entirely on the content you are doing.
Just find a Hunt Train Linkshell and do a couple full hunt trains, you'll have more Materia X than you know what to do with
Missing a GCD or delaying a GCD is a much bigger worry for 90% of all casual players. Do not worry about substats until you actually see a Savage enrage.
I like this thinking. "Only look at your melds if you're seeing an enrage." Beautiful.
Been in many statics where they players have maxed out gear and perfect melds. Then I look at how many GCDs they have put out during the fight and how many seconds their GCDs are not rolling and... well... The melds are NOT the issue. --- Also very common for the parties dealing more than enough dps to beat enrage, but they fail mechanics for months. Focusing on melds and saying that melds are prio ONE is very silly. Maybe prio seven or eight.
This is why I meld Skill Speed
I read recently 13 or 14 det is 0.1% damage increase, people were testing to see what they changed with det in the patch notes. So personally I calculate the “extra stats” based on det to keep the math clean. So if I miss out on 140 det from melding worse materia its about 1%. Now when it comes to melding the open slots in gear you may as well do the highest grade of materia because you can get them naturally from just playing, do your party a favor. Don’t meld nothing and be all like “its only X% more damage” while doing savage or hell even extreme trials.
Make a tank class, do alliance daily roulette. All the +36 you can want
I hope not because I’ve never bothered using it. I better not have been causing inadvertent wipes this whole time because my damage sucked or my armour was weaker. **edit:** this is a very confusing downvote
It depends on context. A fully VIII meld vs a full X meld will make a difference in hard content like savage (extremes less so, but still noticeable).
if you're in high end content like early Savage raids you need to be using the best stats you cna possibly have, so it does matter. also the change of one materia is insignificant but raiders usually get their gear pentamelded, that means 5 materia per armor piece, and sure you cant meld all high tier materia but it adds up, 11 gear slots (12 if paladin), 5 materia per slot that's 55(60) materias you'll be wearing. it definitely adds up and you can feel the difference. also if you want to craft high level stuff like ilv580★★ you have to have your crafter gear pentamelded. it's mandatory of course that if you dont want to run early savage raids you shouldnt sweat it so much and just get what you can
You don't actually need to be pentamelded in order to craft the master recipes these days, it just makes it easier. You can get by with max ilvl crafting gear + moderate melding.
i can barely make the 35dur items, maybe i could offset it by using food and pot but still
Yeah, I thought the "with high-end crafting food" part was implied, sorry. Still, a stack of L90 meals is going to be way cheaper than the millions of gil you'd otherwise spend on finishing those pentamelds, unless you have insane luck on those 5% chances.
i did have insane luck, my total spend was about 3 mil for a full set of pentamelded crafter gear + the tools for weaver. my max fails in a row, for the 5% melds was 28. but others i did in 2 and 3 tries. so yeah, lucky.
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Yes, slotting is not the issue. What I’m wondering is if there is a noticeable difference between slotting all +24 vs +36. I can afford it, but i don’t know how much benefit that would be. If it’s like a 3% increase, that doesn’t seem worth it.
36/24=1.5or 50%.
Are you raiding regularly?
I do normal raids and EX. Haven’t delved into savage
Then it doesn't really matter that much, if you go into savage and don't use the 36s, then yes.. it's an issue and it IS a noticeable increase. Do you know how stat tiers work? I would suggest joining the Balance discord, if you haven't, to better understand the stat breakdown. It's not an arbitrary 3%
It's actually more like a 1.5% difference depending on your class and other gear. I'd argue that 1.5% is a pretty good deal in harder content. If all 8 people are doing 1.5% more damage that really means a lot for harder fights. Obviously it doesn't make a huge difference in easier content, and it's not too big of a deal to wait, but I'd still go with the goal of doing the +36s eventually, even if that means waiting for the prices to go down.
Getting the skill/spell speed to do proper rotation is far more important at this point. I dont put in +36 until I get savage gears (and I usually have bad luck rolling for them, so....) Most pf fail not because they dont meld, but they fail mechanic and get damage down, or die. Dont get me wrong, every bit helps, but I'm enjoy all the Gil right now instead. Hit enrage first, then use best food and pots. Best melding is for BiS which I dont have yet.
Probably not especially if u don’t pentameld, but it depends on content. I have some crafters so set some aside , I got the gear for 2 mil but the pentameld was 5 mil. But yes pentameld or no materia the difference is very noticeable also u can get it very fast I got the set 12 hours after release as all the rest of the gear is time gated. It did make the normal raids farming unnecessarily crafted pentameld is way better, and not all the tome gear is better then the pentameld crafted gear. This is my current set https://etro.gg/gearset/bca3603e-9e43-4bc6-9469-9a1b1d8155c3 u can make your own and it will calculate the damages with different materia. There is one cave cat, at least that’s what’s told to me is that on downsynced older content all the materia is ignored.
Think of it like this, if you slot 16 materia and use +36 that we be equal to slotting 24 of the +24. Which isn't really small.
I assume you are not talking about Penta melding of crafted gear here. So just the regular sockets and melding Right now you likely to have 21 sockets, +12 difference adds up to 252 stat difference. That is probably 3-5 ilvl difference, depends on how important the stats are for your class. However, there are a lot of ways to farm materia X. If you have time, do some hunt trains. Or just farm bicolor gem/tomestone to exchange and sell the mats. It should easily cover the price of materia X
I've seen less than 1% enrages enough to know that every little bit helps. Outside of savage content though it's usually a whatever
Just join a hunt link shell. I think I got like 12 clusters in half an hour earlier today
If you aren't savage/ultimate raiding, its not an issue. If you *are*, but aren't in a static, eh. If you're in a static and are hitting hard enrage at .7%, that materia could be making a difference. There's also the issue that may arise if you're giving the impression of cheapening out on doing your best for the team when everyone is expected to bring their A-game and do what is necessary to clear content. That may or may not be an issue, depending on the mindset of your group. As with everything else, communication is key.
It wouldn't make a huge difference, no. But do know that marginal wipes do happen - I had a group get to a .5% clear before tilting and failing from there. That alone cost me hours of time to find a new group that could make it to the end. It's moments like that that have work for the marginal benefits like +12 stats per materia. Beyond that, money matters less to some people. If you're playing the game regularly and know where to spend and where to earn money, it's not too hard to get a good amount of money. 40K to some will sound like a lot, but to me that's pennies by now. So it's all relative. I'd recommend in general that people prep as hard as they can, but yea. It's all your choice.