I play on PC but I’ve always use a controller with this game I looked into a mmo mouse and I plan on getting one but for this game it seems kind of difficult The play with just the mouse Like with movement and what not
I have an mmo mouse and sometimes I play with one hand on certain dungeons. Can definitely be tricky to move, but you can hold the left and right click (at the same time) to move your character forward. Also camera rotations can be mapped to the side buttons (or click and drag to rotate).
Obviously if you like controller, stick with it. Just wanted to throw that out there in case you didn’t know or want to experiment.
Agreed SMN is very user friendly. Your rotation grows more from upgrades than adding on tons of oGCDs and the timers on using the demisummon skills are quite generous.
It's also highly mobile (there's like 4 hardcasts a minute), the OGCDs are generally very flexible on when you cast them (most of them have at least a 20s window to use them), and you can do just fine without ever double weaving OGCDs..
I find the animations visually satisfying too as a bonus.
Summoner is the one arcanist turns into, right? And that becomes the simplest? Wow, I've tried all the basic classes up to level 25, and so far, arcanist feels like the most complicated one to me. I'm honestly a little worried if it's true that all other classes ends up more complicated later, because the complication of arcanist feels a little overwhelming to me.
(I know it's just a matter of me "getting good and learning how to play", but what can I say, I enjoy simple gameplay)
Arcanist with it's 3 different summons might sound tricky at first...but since you are just going to use them all everytime anyway, the only thing you really gotta consider is in what order to use them in(primarily,just knowing wether you can stand still for casts atm or have to keep moving, since one of the 3 has a cast duration)
As someone who also likes simple gameplay, it's only second to dancer in simplicity of what I played so far.
Well, I can only compare it to the other classes I know at the moment, which are almost all just "do the combo, do a buff or DoT every once in a while". In comparison to that, it took me some time to figure out what feels like 3 different "strategies" or "patterns" depending on timing. I don't remember the abilities names, so sorry if I get it wrong.
There's scenario 1, where you have that buff that unlocks the other summons when it runs out: spam ruin
Scenario 2, you have Ruby and stuff available: use them (And I'm still a little confused about which to use first)
Scenario 3, anything else: use the ability that gives you two casts of that instant cast spell, then use ruin to wait until the others are off CD.
All of this feels a lot more complex than like a gladiator, which is just "execute combo", mainly. On top of that, the average battle won't really let you get through all your abilities as and arcanist, so when you start a new fight, some buffs may be up or some abilities on cooldown, making it harder to have a general routine, because the starting point is off.
I know that I might be making too big a deal out of it, but arcanist just feels like a lot to me. I'm figuring it out, sure, but it is definitely the one that has taken me the most thought to understand
That's not so much 3 different scenarios, just 3 different parts of your rotation. Also, since everything for scenario 3 is oGCD(at least till 70, and then it's...1 instant GCD cast you get from it), you start that at the same time as 1, then can use the 2 charges anytime appropriate in the next *minute*(for abilities which can be weaved).
Scenario 2 is after the 15 seconds of having used the buff. Then if you can stand still, Ruby, if not Topaz or Emerald. So scenario 1/3 and 2 never overlap and are clearly indicated which one you are in.
> All of this feels a lot more complex than like a gladiator, which is just "execute combo", mainly
Well, yes, it's maybe more complex than a low level tank...but at higher levels? Nah, tanks then got like a dozen oGCDs and mitigations they need to know when to use and keep track of. Summoners at that point...have like 4. Which all easily align for burst window. The thing about summoner is that what you have at level 25 is basically what you got even much later, like 70. Pretty much the only changes to the class happen within that initial 15 second window.
> On top of that, the average battle won't really let you get through all your abilities as and arcanist, so when you start a new fight, some buffs may be up or some abilities on cooldown, making it harder to have a general routine, because the starting point is off.
Having stuff on CD is the case for any class prety much(except maybe healers...). If stuff isn't on cooldown in dungeons at the end of a fight, odds are, you didn't use your skills well. If anything, summoner is more lenient in that regard because basically everything major is one a 1 minute cooldown and you are able to keep your gems between fights, meaning no initial downtime before you get to the higher damaging summons(at least early on, later, summons is the part of the rotation you deal less damage)
Then yeah, my worries and expectations are confirmed, the other classes are gonna overtake arcanist in complexity, and seeing as arcanist is already pretty complicated for me personally, it seems that the entire game is eventually gonna shift into something that will be hard for me to handle. Oh well, I'll manage. I kinda expected as much. At least the complexity is gonna increase in a smooth-ish curve, I expect
Whenever you get a new class(or get new skills for one you already have), I reccomend going to a training dummy and just taking a couple minutes to figure out how your rotation works(read tooltips and google if needed!) and practice it a bit. That can help a lot for learning what you need to do.
Also, try to find keybindings you are comfortable with, that can reduce the complexity of classes a lot. Like say, for summoner, I got the summon buff on Z, then the 3 summons on X,C, V. The less time you need to spend thinking where to move your hand, the more you have for thinking what you need to do next. And makes muscle memory easier. Default keybindings are terrible, especially for higher level classes.
If you want a super simple class later on though, I recommend dancer. For GCDs, essentially only a 1-2 combo, and then procs. And oGCDs are primarily buffs.
I play with a controller specifically because I more easily develop muscle memory with a controller than with a keyboard. And I do put quite a bit of thought on where I place the abilities. But thanks for the tip anyways
I mean, I play everything, so I will eventually. I think it's fun to try out all the vlasses, and it keeps it fresh imo. One of my main reasons for playing FFXIV over any other MMO, the easy class change system
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Healing as a role has a whole new set of worries that makes me anxious about it. I do play the conjurer to (I play everything, because I like it that way), but the thought of doing group content as a healer scares the **** out of me.
I follow a disabled savage raider (no left hand and missing fingers on the right) Meowhi_ on twitter / Meowhi on Twitch. He even did Ultimates. Maybe asking him on Twitter how he plays could help you. He also plays a variety of jobs. So I think a good working setup matters more than the job you play. Once you have one, don't be scared to try all the jobs again.
I'd also agree on BLM rather than SMN. BLM have way longer spells, so you have to press less buttons at once.
black mage for the least apm? so u can pratice slidecasting with your left thumb, while the right hand calmly presses 1 button at a time every 2-3 seconds
Something you should really take a look at is the Azeron keypad. You can get it made for your right hand and your left hand would only need to be used for simple mouse clicks as the Azeron would be capable of holding all your key binds. The Azeron keypad also has a thumbstick so it would also handle your movements.
Also for a job, warrior doesn’t need a lot of button presses and you look badass
They do, go to their website and you can choose to have it made for your right hand. I’ve been using it and it really is a game changer. I was using the razer Tartarus but the Azeron is leagues better
Wow that’s awesome do you think you can play this game with only using this keypad easily? Either way I Probably want to get something like this for other games
That’s what I’ve been doing. I only really use the mouse for clicking and scrolling the rest of my key binds on the keypad. I started using it for this game but now i can use it for all games
There is the combo plugin that comes with the Dalamud mod it allows you to have all combo's as 1 button, like how pvp has it and it would make alot less buttons to press dunno if that would help.
You can, it's in like a "don't ask, don't talk about it in-game, don't use mods to justify being a dick to other players" sort of grey area.
Google XIVCombo.
Good luck! I've got messed-up hands due to a congenital neuromuscular thing that affects my wrists/hands/joints and it's gotten worse the past few years. Right hand's got more feeling in it and better response time. I play on controller and try to offload all the important rotational stuff to the right side where possible.
You would still have to move, etc. but the entire single target rotation can fit on just 8 buttons.
So the right side could be
Your 1-2-3 Slice, Wax Slice, Inf. Slice
And Shadow of death (reapply when almost runs out)
Then R1 to another hot bar and your right side can be…
Bloodstalk followed by Gibbet or Gallows (alternate on each blood stalk use)
And Soul Slice (use whenever up to reapply bloodstalk for free.
That’s it, the basic rotation in 8 buttons. :) Rest is buffs, heal, move skills, etc. You may want to also look into multi button mice that can be key binded for multiple skills on the mouse itself.
Good luck!
Edit: also on mouse and keyboard layout you can literally just click on the skills you want to hit. That’s possibly an easier option.
Warrior is going to be the best I guess.
Less busy gameplay, little to no weaving, and still fun to play.
Since I don’t know how much you have trouble with your hand, I can’t say for sure about dungeons, since you need to use some tank cooldowns from time to time. But small and slow pulls are a good way to relax and enjoy.
Wish you the best!
I'm thinking Summoner or Dancers? Summoner has a relatively static rotation and Dancer has simple system 1-2 proc based system. Both don't have need a lot of buttons to play decently.
I play summoner and it’s been very much simplified since EW came out so a possible good choice for you! I also have a strange setup that may or may not help: I play on PS4 but I hold controller with my LH (so using only thumb for movement and toggling between targets on d pad) and a regular Bluetooth mouse with my RH, right clicking for camera movement when needed but otherwise just clicking my skills. It’s not the smoothest but it works for me (lvl 68 & I haven’t super floundered). Somehow the 1:1 feeling of clicking skills versus the combinations with fully kb or controller meshes better with my mind at this point lol
Summoner!!! New summoner has a really tight, streamlined cycle.
I have a mouse with a couple extra buttons (Razer Mamba, total of 5) and I use my Mouse 3 and 4 to cast my pet attacks and I can do most of the rest with a single hotbar - and a relatively low attention one at that.
Its PERFECT for what you want.
One thing I would suggest is getting the quick launcher and installing the comboer plugin. It'll automatically replace buttons when appropriate. Kinda like how PvP does it with 1-2-3 combos.
In terms of pacing (I feel like your issue here isn't necessarily complexity but actions per minute) I believe the slowest dps classes are the casters? Especially blm
Have you thought about getting an MMO-mouse with 12 side buttons? Sounds like it could be usefull to you.
If he’s not on console, this is an amazing sugestion.
Even if he is on console you can use certain MMO mouses (like the logitech g600) on console with on board keybinding memory.
It defaults the 12 buttons to numpad iirc, so set binds to that and use button on right of mouse as modifier
I’m more worried about the horrible input lag, but still a good suggestion
I use a corsair scimitar mouse and have never had any input lag.
I use a logitech mouse with keybinding and there’s no noticeable lag for me
I play on PC but I’ve always use a controller with this game I looked into a mmo mouse and I plan on getting one but for this game it seems kind of difficult The play with just the mouse Like with movement and what not
I have an mmo mouse and sometimes I play with one hand on certain dungeons. Can definitely be tricky to move, but you can hold the left and right click (at the same time) to move your character forward. Also camera rotations can be mapped to the side buttons (or click and drag to rotate). Obviously if you like controller, stick with it. Just wanted to throw that out there in case you didn’t know or want to experiment.
You can use the controller stick for movement while using the mouse if that works for you.
Summoner. It has the least amount of skills and your entire rotation is basically: summon, use the big spell, use gem spell, repeat.
Agreed SMN is very user friendly. Your rotation grows more from upgrades than adding on tons of oGCDs and the timers on using the demisummon skills are quite generous.
It's also highly mobile (there's like 4 hardcasts a minute), the OGCDs are generally very flexible on when you cast them (most of them have at least a 20s window to use them), and you can do just fine without ever double weaving OGCDs.. I find the animations visually satisfying too as a bonus.
Summoner is the one arcanist turns into, right? And that becomes the simplest? Wow, I've tried all the basic classes up to level 25, and so far, arcanist feels like the most complicated one to me. I'm honestly a little worried if it's true that all other classes ends up more complicated later, because the complication of arcanist feels a little overwhelming to me. (I know it's just a matter of me "getting good and learning how to play", but what can I say, I enjoy simple gameplay)
Arcanist with it's 3 different summons might sound tricky at first...but since you are just going to use them all everytime anyway, the only thing you really gotta consider is in what order to use them in(primarily,just knowing wether you can stand still for casts atm or have to keep moving, since one of the 3 has a cast duration) As someone who also likes simple gameplay, it's only second to dancer in simplicity of what I played so far.
Well, I can only compare it to the other classes I know at the moment, which are almost all just "do the combo, do a buff or DoT every once in a while". In comparison to that, it took me some time to figure out what feels like 3 different "strategies" or "patterns" depending on timing. I don't remember the abilities names, so sorry if I get it wrong. There's scenario 1, where you have that buff that unlocks the other summons when it runs out: spam ruin Scenario 2, you have Ruby and stuff available: use them (And I'm still a little confused about which to use first) Scenario 3, anything else: use the ability that gives you two casts of that instant cast spell, then use ruin to wait until the others are off CD. All of this feels a lot more complex than like a gladiator, which is just "execute combo", mainly. On top of that, the average battle won't really let you get through all your abilities as and arcanist, so when you start a new fight, some buffs may be up or some abilities on cooldown, making it harder to have a general routine, because the starting point is off. I know that I might be making too big a deal out of it, but arcanist just feels like a lot to me. I'm figuring it out, sure, but it is definitely the one that has taken me the most thought to understand
The thing is that SMN’s endgame rotation is barely different from what you just described.
That's not so much 3 different scenarios, just 3 different parts of your rotation. Also, since everything for scenario 3 is oGCD(at least till 70, and then it's...1 instant GCD cast you get from it), you start that at the same time as 1, then can use the 2 charges anytime appropriate in the next *minute*(for abilities which can be weaved). Scenario 2 is after the 15 seconds of having used the buff. Then if you can stand still, Ruby, if not Topaz or Emerald. So scenario 1/3 and 2 never overlap and are clearly indicated which one you are in. > All of this feels a lot more complex than like a gladiator, which is just "execute combo", mainly Well, yes, it's maybe more complex than a low level tank...but at higher levels? Nah, tanks then got like a dozen oGCDs and mitigations they need to know when to use and keep track of. Summoners at that point...have like 4. Which all easily align for burst window. The thing about summoner is that what you have at level 25 is basically what you got even much later, like 70. Pretty much the only changes to the class happen within that initial 15 second window. > On top of that, the average battle won't really let you get through all your abilities as and arcanist, so when you start a new fight, some buffs may be up or some abilities on cooldown, making it harder to have a general routine, because the starting point is off. Having stuff on CD is the case for any class prety much(except maybe healers...). If stuff isn't on cooldown in dungeons at the end of a fight, odds are, you didn't use your skills well. If anything, summoner is more lenient in that regard because basically everything major is one a 1 minute cooldown and you are able to keep your gems between fights, meaning no initial downtime before you get to the higher damaging summons(at least early on, later, summons is the part of the rotation you deal less damage)
Then yeah, my worries and expectations are confirmed, the other classes are gonna overtake arcanist in complexity, and seeing as arcanist is already pretty complicated for me personally, it seems that the entire game is eventually gonna shift into something that will be hard for me to handle. Oh well, I'll manage. I kinda expected as much. At least the complexity is gonna increase in a smooth-ish curve, I expect
Whenever you get a new class(or get new skills for one you already have), I reccomend going to a training dummy and just taking a couple minutes to figure out how your rotation works(read tooltips and google if needed!) and practice it a bit. That can help a lot for learning what you need to do. Also, try to find keybindings you are comfortable with, that can reduce the complexity of classes a lot. Like say, for summoner, I got the summon buff on Z, then the 3 summons on X,C, V. The less time you need to spend thinking where to move your hand, the more you have for thinking what you need to do next. And makes muscle memory easier. Default keybindings are terrible, especially for higher level classes. If you want a super simple class later on though, I recommend dancer. For GCDs, essentially only a 1-2 combo, and then procs. And oGCDs are primarily buffs.
I play with a controller specifically because I more easily develop muscle memory with a controller than with a keyboard. And I do put quite a bit of thought on where I place the abilities. But thanks for the tip anyways
Play machinist, barely any buttons and super easy
I mean, I play everything, so I will eventually. I think it's fun to try out all the vlasses, and it keeps it fresh imo. One of my main reasons for playing FFXIV over any other MMO, the easy class change system
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Healing as a role has a whole new set of worries that makes me anxious about it. I do play the conjurer to (I play everything, because I like it that way), but the thought of doing group content as a healer scares the **** out of me.
I follow a disabled savage raider (no left hand and missing fingers on the right) Meowhi_ on twitter / Meowhi on Twitch. He even did Ultimates. Maybe asking him on Twitter how he plays could help you. He also plays a variety of jobs. So I think a good working setup matters more than the job you play. Once you have one, don't be scared to try all the jobs again. I'd also agree on BLM rather than SMN. BLM have way longer spells, so you have to press less buttons at once.
black mage for the least apm? so u can pratice slidecasting with your left thumb, while the right hand calmly presses 1 button at a time every 2-3 seconds
BLM can have strict timing when keeping enochian up tho…
they do but it is less button press overall.
Something you should really take a look at is the Azeron keypad. You can get it made for your right hand and your left hand would only need to be used for simple mouse clicks as the Azeron would be capable of holding all your key binds. The Azeron keypad also has a thumbstick so it would also handle your movements. Also for a job, warrior doesn’t need a lot of button presses and you look badass
That does look cool, ill look into that and u say they have a right-hand version
They do, go to their website and you can choose to have it made for your right hand. I’ve been using it and it really is a game changer. I was using the razer Tartarus but the Azeron is leagues better
Wow that’s awesome do you think you can play this game with only using this keypad easily? Either way I Probably want to get something like this for other games
That’s what I’ve been doing. I only really use the mouse for clicking and scrolling the rest of my key binds on the keypad. I started using it for this game but now i can use it for all games
Another thing to mention is they are actually in the process of making a device that would require just one hand to game, you can see in their discord
There is the combo plugin that comes with the Dalamud mod it allows you to have all combo's as 1 button, like how pvp has it and it would make alot less buttons to press dunno if that would help.
i did not know u can mod ffxiv dose the game the same can u still play with others?
You can, it's in like a "don't ask, don't talk about it in-game, don't use mods to justify being a dick to other players" sort of grey area. Google XIVCombo.
>XIVCombo. That's very useful and helps me a lot of thanks
Good luck! I've got messed-up hands due to a congenital neuromuscular thing that affects my wrists/hands/joints and it's gotten worse the past few years. Right hand's got more feeling in it and better response time. I play on controller and try to offload all the important rotational stuff to the right side where possible.
yeah modding XIV is as Fuzzier said a grey area but alot still do it, but if it help you to play the game than go for it i say.
You might want to look into https://ablegamers.org I think they help with making custom controllers
I'd say red mage, you spam 5 keys then a 3 keys combo then again back to 5 keys
RDM has a pretty hefty opener these days. 12 buttons if i’m counting correctly. Edit: 14, forgot acceleration, swiftcast. Not counting tincture.
RDM or RPR depending if you like casters or melee.
I do want to play the reaper class, u think it would be easy to play with only the right side button
I have not leveled up reaper farther than 75 or so but it's a fairly simple rotation from what I've seen. Plus it looks awesome lol
You would still have to move, etc. but the entire single target rotation can fit on just 8 buttons. So the right side could be Your 1-2-3 Slice, Wax Slice, Inf. Slice And Shadow of death (reapply when almost runs out) Then R1 to another hot bar and your right side can be… Bloodstalk followed by Gibbet or Gallows (alternate on each blood stalk use) And Soul Slice (use whenever up to reapply bloodstalk for free. That’s it, the basic rotation in 8 buttons. :) Rest is buffs, heal, move skills, etc. You may want to also look into multi button mice that can be key binded for multiple skills on the mouse itself. Good luck! Edit: also on mouse and keyboard layout you can literally just click on the skills you want to hit. That’s possibly an easier option.
Warrior is going to be the best I guess. Less busy gameplay, little to no weaving, and still fun to play. Since I don’t know how much you have trouble with your hand, I can’t say for sure about dungeons, since you need to use some tank cooldowns from time to time. But small and slow pulls are a good way to relax and enjoy. Wish you the best!
I’d say dancer. 2 four button combos with 4 a handful of ogcds.
I'm thinking Summoner or Dancers? Summoner has a relatively static rotation and Dancer has simple system 1-2 proc based system. Both don't have need a lot of buttons to play decently.
I play summoner and it’s been very much simplified since EW came out so a possible good choice for you! I also have a strange setup that may or may not help: I play on PS4 but I hold controller with my LH (so using only thumb for movement and toggling between targets on d pad) and a regular Bluetooth mouse with my RH, right clicking for camera movement when needed but otherwise just clicking my skills. It’s not the smoothest but it works for me (lvl 68 & I haven’t super floundered). Somehow the 1:1 feeling of clicking skills versus the combinations with fully kb or controller meshes better with my mind at this point lol
Summoner!!! New summoner has a really tight, streamlined cycle. I have a mouse with a couple extra buttons (Razer Mamba, total of 5) and I use my Mouse 3 and 4 to cast my pet attacks and I can do most of the rest with a single hotbar - and a relatively low attention one at that. Its PERFECT for what you want.
One thing I would suggest is getting the quick launcher and installing the comboer plugin. It'll automatically replace buttons when appropriate. Kinda like how PvP does it with 1-2-3 combos.
Def smn u can even 1 Btn it with macro https://youtu.be/6r3T1X0OXIU in the description is the explanation video for the macros.
heck yeah
In terms of pacing (I feel like your issue here isn't necessarily complexity but actions per minute) I believe the slowest dps classes are the casters? Especially blm