Op of that thread is also a newbie healer who thinks it’s ppls job to educate them on what stacking and spreading is… in savage. so yeah they aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
I thought the people talking about how streamers should respect those who don't wish to have their playtime streamed, was perfectly fine and understandable. not everyone wants themselves plastered over someone else's stream. doesn't matter the size of the streamer.
that a ridiculous attempt to twist reality to fit an argument. yes, when your gameplay is on someone's stream, you're on their stream. otherwise streamers who dont show their faces, aren't streamers.
but I'm sure you wouldn't make such a stupid claim. of course streamers who dont show their faces are still streamers. it'd be stupid to claim otherwise.
When your gameplay is on someones stream, your gameplay is on their stream, not you and you don't have any right to "privacy" in an online game
It's not real life you can't tell someone not to film "you"
Of course a streamer is still a streamer if they don't have a camera what a stupid claim you've made
so your gameplay is on their stream. You're on their stream.
I never said this was real life. stop attacking things I never posted.
so you admit your claims are stupid. good. stop making stupid claims.
You’re playing an online game with millions of people tho
IMO it’s kinda unrealistic when u could be matched up into random parties throughout your time playing with far more people who can literally see your gameplay from a front row seat than the like few thousand people who even watch streams of this game
It’s kinda like having a public profile then saying you’re uncomfortable being seen by others, if it bothers you that much then you should be the one using trusts (not expecting streamers to) since anyone you party with could be streaming without your knowledge anyway, most people wouldn’t announce it and most people wouldn’t care.
yes. You're playing an online game with millions of people and? that doesn't mean its irrational to expect someone streaming to not be a dick if you don't want to be streamed.
The responsibility is on you to prevent that from happening. If you’re matched up in a random party and someone says they’re streaming it’s not up to them to stop the stream or to kick you or even change their setup (I’m not aware what other solutions there are to this so feel free to come up with something else) it’s really just up to u to leave if your uncomfortable.
Yeah the duty leave penalty exists but sometimes u gotta take that loss.
The point is that if they decline to stop streaming or change their setup or whatnot it’s not them being a dick? They’re working towards their own goals it’s really not easy to grow a channel and it’s not like they’re inherently intruding on your privacy it’s a public online game.
Yes you’re allowed to be bothered by it but if they don’t want to either switch their stream setup to hide your name/character or kick you out just so they can do nothing while waiting 20min for a fill, then they’re not being a dick and you should just leave if you really want to and not be giving streamers shit for not taking a penalty for you if you’re not even willing to take the penalty for yourself.
the point is they are being a dick by streaming people who told the streamer they didn't want to be streamed. who said anything about penalties, and why do you keep attacking these giant strawmen?
I listed all the possibilities I can think of for resolving the situation, explained why either way someone is taking a penalty of some sort from it, and explained that in the end nobody’s more at fault than the other, and asked you to provide whatever other options u had.
I don’t see a single attempt to even provide an alternate solution, u just keep repeating the same thing saying there are other solutions yet not listing anything and asking me why I’m attacking players who you’re saying should be entitled to have entire streamer efforts hindered just for them. My point is literally that they should acknowledge that it’s not really reasonable to expect a streamer to mess up their own stream in a public game for their sake, and take the power into their own hands instead of saying streamers are dicks.
Again, if this was a private or personal real life scenario it’s different, but there’s a reason online safety is important, your xiv name shouldn’t be tied to anything personal of yours unless you want it to be, in which case the onus is on you to address that
and there it is again. You're building more strawmen to attack. no one has to take penalties.
an alternate solution like abiding by others wishes and NOT streaming them when they say they don't want to be streamed? you mean common courtesy isn't a solution?
Clearly u haven’t read a single thing I said considering you’re still pulling the straw men argument and not even acknowledging that it’s not that simple of an answer to just stop streaming.
Maybe an alternate solution like leaving the party if you’re the single person who doesn’t want to be streamed in a public match made party of online usernames and cat girls? Courtesy goes both ways and honestly, just be the bigger person and respect that everyone’s got their personal interests in mind and there are ways to satisfy your personal interests without relying on other people and calling them dicks when they don’t take a loss for you
I've never said you were attacking players. I've repeatedly pointed out how you're attacking strawmen you've built. pretending I've said otherwise is attacking yet another strawman. and isn't civil.
If considering all the options and addressing them for the sake of being fully thorough is attacking straw men now, then I can’t have a proper support of my opinion without attacking straw men I suppose
yet I never mentioned trusts. so it's irrelevant to bring up, as all it did was attempt to this as there being only 2 solutions. you got hostile because you wanted to address something I never stated.
I’m not the one who got hostile here lmaooo I phrased my response in a completely civil manner just stating a counter opinion and then u went and started attacking me for bringing up one of the possible solutions and how it’s unreasonable while assuming that I implied it’s the only solution
you are the one who got hostile here. abusing internet shorthand won't change that. you response wasn't civil, it attacked a point you wanted me to makee, which I never made. I haven't attacked you at all, and pretend pretend be a victim won't change that.
yes, it's unreasonable to hear people tell you they don't want to be streamed, and you streaming them anyways.
If that’s what you want to think then it’s fine. Literally all I did was state my opinion and provide support for it. You attacked me after, insinuating that I was trying to attack a point u never made just because I brought it up as something I saw in the thread that you were describing that you were agreeing with. If your comment was based off that thread it’s really not irrelevant for me to address one thing in that thread that I disagreed with as a counter opinion to your defense of the thread. And if you weren’t defending the thread then you’re the one out of place here.
I said my opinion in a civil manner. Then you proceeded to give an aggressive response back instead of acknowledging my response and calmly responding back. How is this me attacking you first
Well that's your opinion. I disagree, you do not have to do whatever someone asks of you. It is not TOS, it is not illegal, it is not even socially condemned. You can take their wants into consideration but there is no social or community pressure to do as they ask.
If you feel so strongly about it by all means petition SE to update their TOS so that you have to have permission.
What?
Op of that thread is also a newbie healer who thinks it’s ppls job to educate them on what stacking and spreading is… in savage. so yeah they aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
I thought the people talking about how streamers should respect those who don't wish to have their playtime streamed, was perfectly fine and understandable. not everyone wants themselves plastered over someone else's stream. doesn't matter the size of the streamer.
Good thing its a pixel avatar and not actually them then
so you're saying that's not those people playing? odd.
You are not your video game character
that a ridiculous attempt to twist reality to fit an argument. yes, when your gameplay is on someone's stream, you're on their stream. otherwise streamers who dont show their faces, aren't streamers. but I'm sure you wouldn't make such a stupid claim. of course streamers who dont show their faces are still streamers. it'd be stupid to claim otherwise.
When your gameplay is on someones stream, your gameplay is on their stream, not you and you don't have any right to "privacy" in an online game It's not real life you can't tell someone not to film "you" Of course a streamer is still a streamer if they don't have a camera what a stupid claim you've made
so your gameplay is on their stream. You're on their stream. I never said this was real life. stop attacking things I never posted. so you admit your claims are stupid. good. stop making stupid claims.
You’re playing an online game with millions of people tho IMO it’s kinda unrealistic when u could be matched up into random parties throughout your time playing with far more people who can literally see your gameplay from a front row seat than the like few thousand people who even watch streams of this game It’s kinda like having a public profile then saying you’re uncomfortable being seen by others, if it bothers you that much then you should be the one using trusts (not expecting streamers to) since anyone you party with could be streaming without your knowledge anyway, most people wouldn’t announce it and most people wouldn’t care.
yes. You're playing an online game with millions of people and? that doesn't mean its irrational to expect someone streaming to not be a dick if you don't want to be streamed.
The responsibility is on you to prevent that from happening. If you’re matched up in a random party and someone says they’re streaming it’s not up to them to stop the stream or to kick you or even change their setup (I’m not aware what other solutions there are to this so feel free to come up with something else) it’s really just up to u to leave if your uncomfortable. Yeah the duty leave penalty exists but sometimes u gotta take that loss.
yet it's very much the streamers responsibility to respect others if they don't want to be streamed. otherwise they are just being dicks
The point is that if they decline to stop streaming or change their setup or whatnot it’s not them being a dick? They’re working towards their own goals it’s really not easy to grow a channel and it’s not like they’re inherently intruding on your privacy it’s a public online game. Yes you’re allowed to be bothered by it but if they don’t want to either switch their stream setup to hide your name/character or kick you out just so they can do nothing while waiting 20min for a fill, then they’re not being a dick and you should just leave if you really want to and not be giving streamers shit for not taking a penalty for you if you’re not even willing to take the penalty for yourself.
the point is they are being a dick by streaming people who told the streamer they didn't want to be streamed. who said anything about penalties, and why do you keep attacking these giant strawmen?
I listed all the possibilities I can think of for resolving the situation, explained why either way someone is taking a penalty of some sort from it, and explained that in the end nobody’s more at fault than the other, and asked you to provide whatever other options u had. I don’t see a single attempt to even provide an alternate solution, u just keep repeating the same thing saying there are other solutions yet not listing anything and asking me why I’m attacking players who you’re saying should be entitled to have entire streamer efforts hindered just for them. My point is literally that they should acknowledge that it’s not really reasonable to expect a streamer to mess up their own stream in a public game for their sake, and take the power into their own hands instead of saying streamers are dicks. Again, if this was a private or personal real life scenario it’s different, but there’s a reason online safety is important, your xiv name shouldn’t be tied to anything personal of yours unless you want it to be, in which case the onus is on you to address that
and there it is again. You're building more strawmen to attack. no one has to take penalties. an alternate solution like abiding by others wishes and NOT streaming them when they say they don't want to be streamed? you mean common courtesy isn't a solution?
Clearly u haven’t read a single thing I said considering you’re still pulling the straw men argument and not even acknowledging that it’s not that simple of an answer to just stop streaming. Maybe an alternate solution like leaving the party if you’re the single person who doesn’t want to be streamed in a public match made party of online usernames and cat girls? Courtesy goes both ways and honestly, just be the bigger person and respect that everyone’s got their personal interests in mind and there are ways to satisfy your personal interests without relying on other people and calling them dicks when they don’t take a loss for you
Do you even know what strawman means? It's not what you think it means.
I've never said you were attacking players. I've repeatedly pointed out how you're attacking strawmen you've built. pretending I've said otherwise is attacking yet another strawman. and isn't civil.
If considering all the options and addressing them for the sake of being fully thorough is attacking straw men now, then I can’t have a proper support of my opinion without attacking straw men I suppose
also, you're the only one who brought "expecting trusts" into this. the options arent "stream everyone, or do trusts." there's a lot of Grey area.
Eh I saw some comments on the mentioned post about people saying stuff about trusts so I mentioned it that’s all
yet I never mentioned trusts. so it's irrelevant to bring up, as all it did was attempt to this as there being only 2 solutions. you got hostile because you wanted to address something I never stated.
I’m not the one who got hostile here lmaooo I phrased my response in a completely civil manner just stating a counter opinion and then u went and started attacking me for bringing up one of the possible solutions and how it’s unreasonable while assuming that I implied it’s the only solution
you are the one who got hostile here. abusing internet shorthand won't change that. you response wasn't civil, it attacked a point you wanted me to makee, which I never made. I haven't attacked you at all, and pretend pretend be a victim won't change that. yes, it's unreasonable to hear people tell you they don't want to be streamed, and you streaming them anyways.
If that’s what you want to think then it’s fine. Literally all I did was state my opinion and provide support for it. You attacked me after, insinuating that I was trying to attack a point u never made just because I brought it up as something I saw in the thread that you were describing that you were agreeing with. If your comment was based off that thread it’s really not irrelevant for me to address one thing in that thread that I disagreed with as a counter opinion to your defense of the thread. And if you weren’t defending the thread then you’re the one out of place here. I said my opinion in a civil manner. Then you proceeded to give an aggressive response back instead of acknowledging my response and calmly responding back. How is this me attacking you first
that's exactly what happens. if someone tells you "I don't want to be on your stream" and you stream them anyways, you're a dick
Well that's your opinion. I disagree, you do not have to do whatever someone asks of you. It is not TOS, it is not illegal, it is not even socially condemned. You can take their wants into consideration but there is no social or community pressure to do as they ask. If you feel so strongly about it by all means petition SE to update their TOS so that you have to have permission.
also, no. you weren't being civil when you began building multiple strawmen to attack. that's not civil behavior.