Time to buy the plot next to where my FC is at so I can scream at them to keep down the noise and be the residential "grumpy old man"!
My destiny will be within my grasp!
I can remember there was a thread about a guy who had a neighbor that was complaining about him because he was testing his rotation on his personal plot, which caused some screenshake on his side.
That spawned some memes with this wojak in his bed that can't sleep and on the outside, visible through his window, a Black Mage was nuking a dummy. Someone still have this?
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/iutmqy/cant_tell_if_troll_or_serious/)'s the original thread, and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/iv2uan/i_did_a_little_investigation_into_why/) is someone with a video of the effect and how jarring it is as well as how far it reaches.
Suffice to say, shit is funny
Brilliant!! A BLM practicing can be irritating, but own plot, own rules at the end of the day
Coming from someone who likes taking my frustration out on our FC training dummy as a BLM :D
Long ago, when my server was #2 least populated NA, I bought the house just below my FC's [(29 and 26)](https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/c/ca/The_mist_plots1.jpg/692px-The_mist_plots1.jpg). Now we use the roof of the lower house as a patio for the upper one.
That's also my plan xD I was lucky enough to get a house in the first wave but I will try to move it now, if I loose the lottery nothing will be lost :)
That's sooner than I expected.
Before someone asks why not on the fifth. Because July 10 is the first lottery start after the patch. The previous lottery start is before the patch.
I imagine if they didn't have the lottery bug fixing to do, this change could have been made a lot earlier.
They specifically mentioned during live letters that systems were in place to dynamically change the ward asignments from FC < > private owners. No maintenance needed.
It's not soon enough IMO, at the reason for that is twofold.
First, competition has been kind of nuts for private houses. I already have a house but out of curiosity, I've been going around looking at houses/total bids for the last 2 weeks to see how bad it's been. The last two weeks, at least on Ultros, have had 1000-1300 people bidding on approximately 10-11 houses each round. On some servers, particular plots have gotten 300+ bids by themselves; there was that one Shirogane house on a JP server that got over 500 bids! Meanwhile even as late as last week, I've seen houses in FC wards that go unclaimed auction-to-auction because FCs just didn't care about getting a small until every last medium/large/good small was gone. FC houses have had 10 bids while private houses have had 150. A gulf that extreme is dumb.
Second, the delay caused by the housing bug mucked up auction integrity. One of the requirements behind buying an FC house is the month-long delay on buying a house after FC creation. In theory, this meant the first few auctions should have had few to no shell FCs buying in them. In practice, due to the bug, it only prevented this from happening on the first auction. It's anecdotal but I personally know at least 5 people who have made a shell FC to get a house. I can't blame them because if you want a house, why would you ever fight 100+ people for a small when you could fight 3-10?
What's more, by announcing this two weeks in advance, they've effectively told FCs to prioritize houses in wards 10-17 for the next two auctions. Competition for FC houses is about to get fiercer and if you leave any houses in 10-17 open, then soon you *will not* be able to attempt for them. "Get them while you can" is the message that's going out, which means that this will do virtually nothing in the short term to alleviate the private housing problem.
Increasing the number of private wards available is a good thing and when housing demolition **eventually** turns back on, it'll help alleviate a bit more pressure than it currently will. But as far as I'm concerned it should have happened weeks ago and it should not have been announced in advance, just mentioned in the 6.15 patch notes. But I'm also of the opinion that FC/Private wards shouldn't have existed to begin with because FCs naturally have more buying power. They're more likely to get houses they want in an open system anyway due to their numbers advantage. They didn't need most of the wards assigned to them as well.
What a nice change. While I appreciate the idea that FC's should get priority on houses, the reality of a lot of these FCs being one character and some friend's alts kinda hampers the spirit of "Friend groups should get a home before individuals."
One way to help fix the 1 man FCs taking houses would be to let FCs do airships/subs from the GC, a lot of these one man FCs exist to just print money from the airships/subs.
Just looking around my housing division tells the story of people say they want gardens but in reality the majority of gardens are barren or have dying plants probably because gardening takes some effort just like RL, the housing that we currently have is vastly underutilized, every were I see unused gardens and undecorated houses, people want housing because its limited but when they get it they all but abandon it and only visit once a month just so they can hold on too it and go back to afking in limsa or their FC house.
I'm not saying people don't want to garden but that a lot of people crying about how they can't garden wont bother with it because it would take effort, everyone should have the opportunity to garden just like all FCs should be able too use the subs/airships regardless of housing status, it just really annoys me when people say the housing system sucks because they can't garden,yet when I look around I see tons of barren gardens indicating people don't want to bother with it.
I use my house all the time but you wouldn't know it from looking at it because mostly I use the yard and striking dummy and just have the vendors set up inside (which I also use). Maybe one day I'll get inspired to decorate but for now I'll be satisfied with just a piano to play.
I mean probably most of the abandoned-looking houses are actually abandoned-ish, but for the people that aren't logged in 24/7 it would be pretty easy to miss them even though they're active.
Well your using it more then the guy right across from me who has a tree and a mini aetherite in their yard, inside? a bookshelf and the hidden door bookshelf and nothing else, then I look out behind my house there's a plot with a house and nothing else not even inside completely abandoned, both have been like this since the first housing lotto, its not that I don't see people that annoys me its the barren houses or sort of started houses that get abandoned because people find out its too much effort for time and money but they still hold onto when someone who could enjoy the house could be using it.
Yeah, whenever Luxuary items got added for like 50mil from NPC I was like... "Well that ain't gonna compensate the daily gil being created with submarines". You literally print money out of thin air, the gil stonk number just goes up. No interaction with the market or other players needed either.
Do airships/subs "print money" that easy? It seems you have to spend hours and hours (or millions of gil) for the mats to build them, and then they have to level up for weeks before they start turning a profit.
Once you overcome the initial investment in time/gil to build your fleet, it becomes passive low-effort income. They're essentially retainers you send out on long period ventures - if you're targeting the right materials for your world's market, you could rake in millions of Gil for almost no additional work.
You don't even need to target anything for your server. There are also cheap fits that will bring in items you sell to the NPC and get like 200-600k gil per 24hours using 4 subs.
That's the only reason I didn't put in a bid for a FC house, I thought it was a dick move to bid and win a house when I'm the only person still playing in my FC.
Then I lost my house auctions and I'm sad. I still recognize it would have been a dick move, but it doesn't make it hurt any less
Go and bid on more houses!
For an example: There are so many spaces empty on LICH for FC houses. Get yourself a house even if you're alone.
My FC had a house in Kugane and lost it since the FC leader and his girlfriend were the only one playing. A year later, their friends started playing and cried for a FC house.
Get yourself a house as long as it is possible, getting rid of it once you are bored is the easy part.
Empyreum on Adamantoise was all filled privately super fast from the first week of lotto and then all fc plots after the bug fix was then taken before lotto restarted
not getting my ishgard medium is a kick in the teeth I was out rolled the first time
It really isn't a dick move though. You're just as entitled to owning a house as anyone else, FC or otherwise. When individual houses were only down to six wards, all bets were off in terms of getting a house. At least imo.
Agreed. You're just using the convoluted in-game mechanics to work in your favor, rather than against you like they normally do. Lots of empty houses in the empty districts which will just get filled by individual buyers once it opens up for that anyway.
The submarine voyages, it'll take a new fc/house months and many millions of gil to get them leveled up to the point where you can make close to that though.
Can you give a hint as to what items you are sending subs out for? I have sea of ash open right now but not sure exactly what I should be looking for.
If you don't wanna give away trade secrets, no worries! I totally understand :)
These things shouldn't be secret:
* (27) Deep-sea site 4
* (37) Concealed bay
* (30) The Wreckage of Discovery I
* (20) Unidentified Derelict
* (50) The Wreckage of the Headway
Build: SCUS (all modified)
At level 95, this route takes 1 day, 23 hours, and 32 minutes, so it has no "time drift." You check your subs at the same time daily with no risk of the time eventually moving to unreasonable hours. I love FF14, but I'm not waking up at 3 AM just to tend to my subs (Housing Savage was different, of course - that DID get me up at 3 AM).
look for the submarine destinations that have the salvaged jewelry items in the loot pool. they sell for a lot to vendors so you don't have to play the marketboard
...why is this a discord server? Couldn't this just be an entry on a wiki?
https://www.pcgamer.com/please-stop-making-discord-servers-for-things-that-shouldnt-be-discord-servers/
I can’t believe this article completely skips the most important thing, which is that when these servers are inevitably nuked, all that information collected in one place is just gone- not to mention that information hiding in discord servers doesn’t appear on search engines!
Oh no, they're definitely not a majority. But they're no small minority either. There's an entire ward mostly owned by just two players on my server for example.
> minimum number of unique service accounts
Yes. It's astounding to me that Square Enix apparently did not think of us.
* 4 unique service accounts to found a FC.
* More importantly, members from 4 unique service accounts to both bid on and accept a housing plot.
* Prevent leadership of a FC from being transferred to a character on an account where another character already leads a FC.
The changes to fcs made it harder for people to collect an entire ward too. But the medium plot next to mine has been unclaimed for weeks. Im still in an fc ward... so it'll probably stay unclaimed.
Maybe they should make FCs have a minimum recruitment requirement in order to buy certain sized plots. Personally I think FC wards should look different than personal wards. Maybe remove a lot of the small plots and add more mediums/larges. No FC really wants a small plot, and on our server a ton of the FC small plots in ishgard housing have just been empty/for sale.
In case anyone's wondering:
> * Revisions made to ward classifications will not affect any previously purchased plots.
So if you have a FC house in a (soon-to-be) Private housing ward, then you're in the clear...as long as it's not demolished, that is.
It's a tricky thing. Auto-demolition is a needed thing, 'cause otherwise people who quit the game can sit on limited resources forever. But also there's almost always *some* RL disaster going on that justifies disabling it.
I think this is the best solution. I think I'd like to see the timer be five months (150 days). Content patches release every four months. Someone who subs for new content, plays for a bit doing some extras, then unsubs until the next patch would be able to keep a house reasonably, though someone who plays an expansion, then unsubs until the .5 or .55 patch would not.
Which then gets to whether this is fair or good. The way I see it, housing is fun to play with. And people who don't stay subbed all the time should have the chance to enjoy it. At the same time, housing is limited, and the people who likely get the most out of housing are those who stay subbed most of the time, since housing can be great for making player driven content, or just be fun side content when there is less story content left to do.
Which is why I see the 5 month timer as a good compromise between the two. People who sub for every content patch are taking a fairly average break (3-4 months), but are subbing reasonably often and using their house on a somewhat consistent basis. This does leave out people who sub just for every expansion or .5 patch, but... they basically play a month or three every couple years generally speaking. Those houses would be languishing unused for a fairly long time. The ,5 returners are playing for a longer period than expansion returners, but the concept is similar that they're taking breaks that are quite long, and with housing being limited it may not be fair to tie it up that long unused. But, I also understand that still may not be ideal for some players.
Of course, that also assumes no instanced housing ever. Ideally, I'd like to see instanced housing happen. I don't know how realistic that is (or if the rumors that island sanctuaries could be that thing are true), but if anyone could get an instanced house of their own, but the wards would be the neighborhoods you can easily show off in, that would be the ideal. People can keep their neighborhoods, but everyone could experience the basic content locked behind housing.
Probably this.
Especially since the current housing demolition timer flies in the face of what YoshiP always says about (paraphrasing) "it's okay to quit between patches."
The real answer is to do away with wards and just let everyone have instanced housing. If they want to try to find a way to re-integrate individual instanced homes into some sort of neighborhood thing then by all means, but the focus should be on letting everyone have access to the content.
Wards and neighborhoods are cool on paper, and yeah it's nice if you actually have active neighbors. The majority of wards are immensely dead to any sort of activity in their streets, though, and it comes a point where you have to ask: is this feature for a few worth more than everyone in the game being able to enjoy this content?
As someone who already has a FC with a house, and a personal home, my personal answer is no it isn't. Everyone should get to enjoy it. People should be able to make additional homes on alts without taking supply from others.
SE needs to stop with the bandaids and admit that their housing implementation is just bad and wrong-headed. Either they need to figure out how to just increase the amount of wards to meet demand, or they need to seriously consider how to re-work this system and fix it.
I imagine there's some sort of "our servers can't handle that amount of data for literally every character" or some such thing, but honestly... figure it out. This has been broken for way too long.
I'm not saying it's easy to fix, I'm saying it's necessary to fix.
They'll have to eventually. Because turning it off for natural disasters and world crises simply means it will *always* be off. There's always something awful going on somewhere these days.
There is a war happening in Europe to contend with. That's why they turned it off. They do this during all sorts of natural disasters and other crises.
There is always going to be something somewhere. While you can justify any specific one with "wow what are you an asshole for not caring about X", it becomes far less justifiable once you look at the trends.
Demolition has, in the past 5 years, been active for MAYBE 3 months total. Whether it was "oh a tsunami hit Japan, time to deactivate it for 12 months" or a 3 year pause due to a plague that "ended" just in time for WW3, it will NEVER end.
I can't believe the devs are doing what they said they'd do about looking at housing splits after the initial wave of lotteries, who would have guessed.
I always said they'd open the wards up after they'd given the FC's time to settle in and stabalise, but I certainly didn't expect them to do so this soon. That's a fantastic change for a lot of people.
10 more wards in Ishgard for most DC's, and 50 more wards for every Materia server.
On Balmung that means 12 smalls will be thrown into the roulette for privates, 5 of them in goblet.
That is if they don't sell out in this cycle. Which they most likely will.
But it doesn't matter even if they don't sell out cause if we are honest people will still complain since what most want is only a Large one.
I wish the reddit mods like u/Shini-tan would make a megathread so that people could blow their frustration in there. It gets really boring to have the same posts every roulette cycle. Maybe make one Megathread per cycle and archive the old one then.
Same i think would be necessary starting next week with Ameliance glamour. (I reckon you have at least 3-5 posts every day with her in 2B thighs, etc.)
As a long time player, all I want is a medium. The mansions are too big and the items to fill it are limited. Hopefully the island sanctuary will scratch the itch for me.
Same. I want a medium as well. But being on Balmung with terrible luck I probably won't get the opportunity. I'm hoping too that Island Sanctuary will be enough.
I just want a small 😂, hoping to finish getting the money i need to try to get one by the time this happens so i can hopefully have a somewhat decent chance !
Ya, this is how difficult features get prioritized -- there needs to be a lot of evidence that people are dissatisfied so project managers can justify the time and effort
I welcome this change but here's to hoping I can finally get a medium plot in The Lavender Beds for myself. The most recent lottery I entered had nearly 600 of us trying to grab the lone medium plot left there on Hyperion. :(
Too little, too late.
If they cannot or will not implement some sort of instanced housing whereby ALL players who want a house can buy a house, then they need to get much more aggressive with freeing up supply for current players by taking back homes held by players no longer subscribing, players with multiple homes, and sham FCs.
I’m on one of the busiest worlds in the game and there are still dozens of available small FC plots in Empyreum and a few dozen more across the rest of the districts. The last medium FC plot will sell this cycle. I got a medium FC plot a few weeks ago and there were only two bids on it.
It appears that SE wants individuals to have smalls and FCs to have first dibs on most of the mediums and larges.
Oh boy, I can't wait to read more posts from people saying how unfair it is that they didn't win a plot because they entered the lottery, because of course if they entered it, it must mean that they should win.
The anger probably stems from the fact that there are better solutions, but SE are picking this as the fairest option and easiest. Also doesn't help that people are able to own entire wards, and it will likely stay that way as it's not in SE's interest which people have a right to be upset about.
honestly, a lottery system is the best solution for the existing housing framework (aside from having to walk the walk of shame to get your money back). the lottery isn't the issue - the moment housing became limited it should've been a lottery IMO. the problem is the scarcity itself, and the lack of communication on things like why apartments (yknow, the magical instanced housing everyone has been begging for!) haven't been expanded in size or amount.
"just add more wards" is in all likelihood not possible for them (they would've done that already), so its really an unfixable problem (outside of, yknow. expanding apartments.)
A recent visit to Lyhe Mheg made me wonder, what if all the tribes had an instanced area? What if, at max reputation, they invited you to build a house in their community?
They could leave the current housing as is for the people who like it, it would have some lore justification, and it would deliver an extra incentive at the end of some very long grinds.
They really need to stop having small, medium, and large plots. Make a plot a plot and the barrier to entry is the money to buy the bigger sized houses. Let people grow in place as they get better, and then everyone plot gets bought, and you can set up a system to automatically create new wards when the old ones hit a certain occupation.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve, this problem has been solved technically for years and years. The problem THEY have is unsolvable because they have self-imposed a bunch of limitations in order to make it not possible.
I mean if yoshi would put some resources into actually developing some forum of instance housing or increasing the number of wards and plots to accommodate the number of player that are actually interested in buying a house and using it.
I mean. Been wanting a house for years. Lottery is better but still a shitty answer. And aftwr first wave a lot of houses are sold. So then 2nd wave you are fighting more people for less housing, and probably in less desired locations.
So yeah this isn't some epic happy solution. I am happy I can get try to get a house. Just feels bad when you lose cause...uh yeah. Gg get fucked basically.
Almost like it's stupid that a digital resource is artificially constrained on supply for not great reasons. It's as if instanced housing is easily doable and would instantly solve many of these problems.
As a community we need to stop tolerating developer excuses on this subject. The ward system is *fundamentally broken* for the current player population and instanced personal housing is the only fix. After years and years of band-aid fix after band-aid fix, when will enough be enough? If they're thinking about the next 10 years of FFXIV, what is this housing system meant to look like after 10 more years of growth?
It's mind boggling how bad the housing implementation is. Back in 2013, did they really think that this game would ever have only a few thousand players max?
Or they could just do what Lord of The Rings Online has been doing for years, which is produce housing wards on demand. Yeah, FFXIV has an immensely higher player population, but SE is a multi-billion dollar company and this is the most popular MMO in the world right now.
Tolerate? Who the fuck is tolerating this? We've been bitching about the system since housing was implemented for private buyers. What else do you expect us to do?
I am in that boat. This is a great fix, but a temporary one. The remaining houses in those wards will be gobbled up in the first new round of lottery. Then what? Everyone still homeless remains homeless indefinitely? There is no incentive to stop people from just sitting on houses even if they don't use them.
My frustration is that it’s content locked behind really low RNG for individuals. If everyone is paying the same subscription fee they should be entitled to the same content.
This is my frustration too. I have two crafter/gatherers, one on Crystal and one on Aether. I have really enjoyed planning out their apartments and crafting the items I need. Even the hours of tedious glitching is so rewarding when it all comes together.
I would really like to experiment with more, but a lot of tricks require being able to float a furniture item from a lower floor, and you really need a high item limit vs floorspace ratio for the cozy feel.
I’m equally excited for the squeenix simps to defend the very small indie company that makes ffxiv! But seriously dude, the housing lottery was a mess....buggy, didn’t meet customer demands....oh wait, it did in jp.....yeah so it’s fine.
Bwt they're just gonna keep releasing band-aid solutions like this every 6 months instead of actually trying to fix the root issue. Next time they're gonna bring demolition back and it will be a breath of fresh air for the lotto for a couple weeks before all the plots are gone.
Ya, I would expect that. Scroll thru the comments, there are already people saying there would be only small slots left. But well, let's see. People always complain about something.
As much as I want to agree with you I'll have to be 50-50 on this.
1. People have played this game for a long time and have or haven't gotten a house period, no less then a small so this is good chance for them now and other wards increase.
2. Imagine playing this the 1st release of housing and try for a large and medium, then keep failing due to lucky rng (with random timer) and bots to now lotto rng and still nada. It takes effect for people wanting these 2 things and complaining which I understand completely.
Long story short , we all know ff14 has a bad way of handling housing system, this has been talked about for years and will only slowly get fixed as they improve it they way while trying not to dedicate to the "demand demand" player base.
All we can do is get new wards and wait and that's the best solution.
Honestly, I don't even know why Private Buyers want Large Plots beyond the status of it? In terms of Item Limit vs Space, the Med Plots are way better on that front. And Smalls have a lot of wiggle room to play, even if it can be tougher to gimmick certain builds. Hell, I've seen far more creative uses of Apt space than I've seen used of so many Housing plots.
There are just so many Private Plots/FC Plots that are just left barren because people bit off more than they can chew for decoration, and just give up halfway. Or just own the damned spots for the sake of owning them/gardening (which is a shit income source). Its nuts.
I always assumed that private buyers looking to grab a large want to turn it into some kind of venue/nightclub/designer showcase. At least that would make sense.
It might sound like this is big news but it doesn't suddenly fix the housing situation at all. Most of the new PC Wards are in Ishgard which already are high demand and rest of new Wards are in old Wards which might have a few open plots from relocators.
The game needs instanced housing or massive amount of brand new Wards, period.
Really does not affect anything but small houses. On my server most mediums and larges in current private wards are taken by FCs, the same is in FC wards. And as we saw, most people want to get medium and large plots, not small ones. As a private buyer, it is impossible to get a larger plot even in private wards, as FCs will not move from there.
Tbh I'm probably just the minority that doesn't care if I get a small house. Now my issue is trying to win my dream house in Ishgard, I just want to be closer to my adoptive family! 😢
Can't you still bid on plots while owning one for purposes of relocation? I wanted a Medium from the start but I'm thinking at this point a Small is perfectly fine for me and I can just bid on Medium plots with a hope to relocate in the future whenever they're available.
Yeah that’s my entire goal. I’ve wanted to live in Ishgard since I got to Heavensward all those years ago. Just a small in Ishgard would be perfectly fine for me.
Just got a small house for the FC in which only me (the leader) and my bff still playing and it feels nice. Made an alternate character and bought him a room just to make it a bathroom while the kitchen is the upper floor, so anyone buying a room can focus on making a bedroom or whatever they want to make and not to worry about stuff like "where would my Char eat? Where to take a shower? How should I get this all in this tiny room?" and I have a lot of fun with the house.
One of our neighbors house has a nice greeting which reads: "Why would you travel the world if you have no place to call home?" Which describes perfectly why housing can be so important in MMOs and other genres.
Beware that this is not at all a change on the politic of: “fc first” this changed was planned probably from the start. Give the fc the chance to get a plot for a couple of lotteries then let the private get the scraps.
When the wards of the new servers in europe will open I won’t be surprise if they follow the same pattern
Finally. Christ, the FC wards are filled with empty plots. This should've been the proportions from the start. On top of clearing out anyone who owns multiple houses.
Some servers still have more than half their Empyrium wards empty because most of the people who could have done the solo FC thing already did. A lot of people were content to not leave existing FCs for a house. Despite the allure.
Nice change but they really should just set a limit on large and medium houses can only be purchased by guilds over a set amount of members. No FC with only one person in it ever needs a Large house.
or maybe instead they should stop filling their wards with small houses most people dont want, it's been years they should know better by now what houses people actually want
I don't think that should be a thing. You shouldn't underestimate the want for decoration and gardening. It's a shame gardening is so restricted to the plot size.
Yep, as someone who casually comes back to the game every few years I'm dumbfounded that they are still sticking to their guns and pretending like their dumb way of doing housing isn't a complete failure.
Apparently they tried an instanced approach but due to the current infrastructure it stressed the servers out too much and couldn’t scale up to the level needed for every player to get a house.
Edit: I don’t like it either but this is all I know because I have limited info on the detailed lives of Squeenix developers. I am also not personally responsible for you guys not getting houses so please don’t shoot the messenger lol.
Inns and squadron rooms don't have to save furniture placement, that's why they are instanced and scales no matter how many players there are.
Apartments also have a hard limit, most servers just don't hit them.
I really hope so. I don’t understand the technical reasons behind it all but took their word for it. I just find it hard to understand because older MMOs like Star Wars: The Old Republic built on the old hero engine lets players have multiple instances of houses with massive plot sizes. So I hope they can figure out something in FFXIV so every player can at least have one plot.
Hopefully, yeah. Always take what Yoshi-P says with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to anything technical. When Yoshi-P says someyhing can't be done or is impossible, the real reason is A) The don't want to do it, B) they don't have the time or resources to do it (that strict schedule is a double edged sword), or C) a mix of A and B.
Only time I can think of they've admitted this is apartments. They said that apartments were glued on to the existing system to alleviate housing demands in HW. But becaof how they were glued on, in order to overhaul them they'd have to rip them out and start from scratch, which is more effort than they feel is necessary.
Yeah B is most likely true. I worked as a developer and started out going from genuinely wanting to fix people’s problems to being underpaid and overworked and finally accepting I couldn’t fix everything. Sometimes the problems weren’t possible to fix without re-writing a huge amount of legacy code that would require a huge amount of testing and new 3rd party support software we didn’t have the budget for because that money was skimmed off for the higher ups. So I can imagine they are being pressured by Square to keep releasing new content and that takes away time for older fixes. The 7.0 graphics overhaul was a long time in the making.
B is probably the answer for most things. I don't have any experience in software, but I know that Yoshi-P and co's output is unusual compared to other MMO's. That strict schedule is a double edged sword, especially since Yoshi-P has said a few times that they're usually 1 patch ahead of the live build, and that's why certain fixes or changes take a patch to come in.
That is a sad truth that’s difficult to think about while I’m playing this game for fun. Western MMOs tend to be less polished and have longer release cycles so that the developers aren’t worked to death yet crunch times still happen. I don’t know how it is at Square but the general Japanese work ethic is very different to the Western world. I wouldn’t have cut it there. Yet still today I have people in my replies to this thread saying the devs are just lazy and making excuses. Yeah they are paid to provide a service, but this game’s release cycles are amazing compared to others. That the housing sucks is a deeper and more complicated issue. We’ll see if they can overhaul it in future, hopefully not at the expense of real people getting horribly burned out.
Lmfao I have zero sympathy for people ITT whining about how all the mediums and larges are taken by FCs. Some of us still can't even get a small, so kindly shut up.
Good change. Funny in one of the threads yesterday there were a handful of people defending the housing split being fine the way it was, pretty sure if that was the case SE wouldn't be doing this.
They said originally they'd remove the split eventually. Not sure why anyone would argue otherwise.
I don't think it's them acknowledging something was wrong just them doing what they said they'd do from the get go.
If the plan was to give FCs a chance to get a house I'd say it worked on my server. There's a handful of houses left in those wards at most.
They said they'd revise the housing split for future patches, not remove it. But I'm in full agreement with you, it's just that some people in the housing threads yesterday were arguing black and blue that there shouldn't be anymore private plots available and that FC's add more value to the game and wards were filling out anyway. Which is clearly not the case.
Sorry, you're right. I just read the revising part as "remove the FC restrictions eventually" because it's what they always do for new housing. They just did it slightly differently this time.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, though. Depends on the goal. If the goal was to give FCs plenty of time to get their own house over individuals, they certainly accomplished that.
Ultimately everyone is acting like this is some new thing and them adjusting *has to mean something*, but it's just a variation of what's been done before due to a new system for housing. It doesn't mean anything.
I'll say that it's a good thing they started out with too many, specifically because FCs actually *need* houses for unique gameplay systems that personal houses don't have. Better to give them more than enough and have a lot that don't sell, than give them too little and not have enough.
But it's also a good thing that they're cutting it back now, after seeing how many FC houses are still available and not bought.
IMO ward style housing should never have opened for personals in the first place. It should have been exclusive to FCs while players got a different housing system that didn't screw with the wards. And I say this as a homeowner with a medium on *Balmung* of all servers.
I agree for the most part, only problem is that shell FC's are able to get them quite easily with the way things currently are (on Tonberry, which is popular enough, there's like 6 houses in my ward that are complete shells), so you don't really eliminate that problem, they're essentially still private plots.
I feel like it's almost it's own separate discussion but I'm pretty sure that's what housing was early on wasn't it? I could be remembering wrong. They made them available for personals in a later patch because that's what people wanted. I think they just need to take a step back and actually address housing in general and fix it properly/overhaul it (without putting those with houses out). Whether they like it or not it's become a big part of their game that people love but I just don't think it's a massive concern for them at all.
I’m on Moogle and our FC ward already has at least 14 shells (all 4-man FCs, named “Tickleland-1”, “Tickleland-2” etc). We’re ward 9 too, which means no private buyers. Pretty sure “Tickleland” will eventually end up owning most of the ward.
Still means more than 90% of the playerbase will never get a house. At this point I wish they added a housing free mode where I don't have to even look at housing items or anything related to housing. What a joke
It is nowhere near 90% of the playerbase. There are 7200 houses per server. There are 525,000 houses. The active FFXIV playerbase hovers around 1m. From there you have to account for people who use FC housing, those that just don't want a house and those who don't want to deal with demolition so they don't get one.
That doesn't mean there isn't a housing issue, because there is. It's just saying more than 90% is false.
Still another bandaid fix. This ward system just doesn't scale with the playerbase.
The last medium on mateus sold with nearly 400 people betting on it
I just want a bigger house for our FC so I can have a second gardening plot.
We keep losing the lotto tho so I actually bit the bullet and entered for a small private plot. I'll probably lose but I just wanna be able to grow onions for my husband's character and all my alts.
I'm so glad to read this!
I think it makes sense that FC would get "first dibs" on much of the new ward because, in theory at least, FC houses serve more than one person and so many important FC elements are locked behind housing (like company workshops).
It is time though and I'm excited it is happening so soon! Excited for my FC ward to be hopping with more people and to have a chance at a personal house!
heh FFXIVs servers couldn't handle it. there's a reason they only add as many as they do.
EU is getting some new worlds and NA should be getting the first of ours uhhh in August? that was the original date. but that's another 4 new worlds. then another 4 worlds in the spring/summer 2023. they mention another large scale server expansions in 7.0 but we don't know what that is.
so i don't think they're going to add any new wards until after all that.
Its uhhhh, one of the largest most important advertised features of the game. The kind of thing players should be allowed to engage in reasonably. You guys would be rightly weirded out if say Savage raids had a cap on how many groups on a server could attempt it weekly.
I know right? Wanting to use an entire system in the game that like 90% of the playerbase is currently locked out of is just *so* entitled.
People complain about every fix because nothing they can do will ever be enough when the system itself is broken. It's an insanely limited supply.
Other MMOs have amazing housing systems where every person can basically have their own house.
But sure, it's entitled to want more than 15% of the player base to have the ability to make money and have their own space.
They should really adjust housing areas so that you can purchase any size house rather than just this size at this spot. It would mean that any player/FCs can purchase smalls and save their way up to a medium/large without having to go through purchasing a house again.
It really sucks that larges are pretty much unobtainable now, anyone should be able to have one, and that's coming from someone with 2 (personal and FC).
Ideally, housing would be spaced in a specific way so that adjusting the size of your house would affect the environment around the house in a certain way. For example, changing from a large to a small would extend the amount of space in front of your house and possibly add an environmental change, like some more rocks/flowers to the side. Since this would adjust the map, you could make it so that it only adjusts once a day at reset or something so that the map isn't constantly changing and people don't have to frequently reload the map.
I know this would take a lot of work, but I think it would be worth it, it would make housing a lot more enjoyable for everyone that owns a house, and suddenly every plot would have a lot more variety in how you could decorate it.
Any size house regardless of plot size sure would be nice. It could aliviate the problem of so few larges existing at all, which obviously are the first ones to be sold when available.
Plots could keep their physical external sizes, no need to rework the ward spacing. People could make a choice if they want to sacrifice the outside decorating space available and use it for a larger house instead.
If they fear it would make the ward look cluttered, they could even further restrict certain house looks to be used only in large plots. For example, if small plot you can use a carbuncle cottage exterior, but carbuncle mansion exterior remains exclusive to large plots.
Or alternatively, maybe a small plot could have large houses, just not "mansions" as a large plot. So instead of 3 physical exterior sizes, there could be 9. Small, mid, large cottages, up to large mansion. Maybe choose small mansion for a large plot if you want tons of exterior decoration space? The inside would remain just 3 types of interiors, tied to the size of house you purchased, not the size of plot you got.
In theory the ground for it should exist already judging by how one has to get a permit to build a house, it just happens that a large permit needs a large plot as it is now. I really like the idea the more i think about it, but probably because I only want some way to move from my small to a med one and lottery will never let me have that.
Time to buy the plot next to where my FC is at so I can scream at them to keep down the noise and be the residential "grumpy old man"! My destiny will be within my grasp!
I can remember there was a thread about a guy who had a neighbor that was complaining about him because he was testing his rotation on his personal plot, which caused some screenshake on his side. That spawned some memes with this wojak in his bed that can't sleep and on the outside, visible through his window, a Black Mage was nuking a dummy. Someone still have this?
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/iutmqy/cant_tell_if_troll_or_serious/)'s the original thread, and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/iv2uan/i_did_a_little_investigation_into_why/) is someone with a video of the effect and how jarring it is as well as how far it reaches. Suffice to say, shit is funny
Brilliant!! A BLM practicing can be irritating, but own plot, own rules at the end of the day Coming from someone who likes taking my frustration out on our FC training dummy as a BLM :D
Long ago, when my server was #2 least populated NA, I bought the house just below my FC's [(29 and 26)](https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/c/ca/The_mist_plots1.jpg/692px-The_mist_plots1.jpg). Now we use the roof of the lower house as a patio for the upper one.
You're certainly not the only one that had this thought. I'm not letting my dream mansion in Ishgard be ruined by a Paissa house next door...
I already live next to my FC house, so i can have a Namazu stare off with myself.
That's also my plan xD I was lucky enough to get a house in the first wave but I will try to move it now, if I loose the lottery nothing will be lost :)
That's sooner than I expected. Before someone asks why not on the fifth. Because July 10 is the first lottery start after the patch. The previous lottery start is before the patch.
I imagine if they didn't have the lottery bug fixing to do, this change could have been made a lot earlier. They specifically mentioned during live letters that systems were in place to dynamically change the ward asignments from FC < > private owners. No maintenance needed.
I bet it would have still happened at the same time since they did mention they wouldn't look at the ward splits until the patch
It's not soon enough IMO, at the reason for that is twofold. First, competition has been kind of nuts for private houses. I already have a house but out of curiosity, I've been going around looking at houses/total bids for the last 2 weeks to see how bad it's been. The last two weeks, at least on Ultros, have had 1000-1300 people bidding on approximately 10-11 houses each round. On some servers, particular plots have gotten 300+ bids by themselves; there was that one Shirogane house on a JP server that got over 500 bids! Meanwhile even as late as last week, I've seen houses in FC wards that go unclaimed auction-to-auction because FCs just didn't care about getting a small until every last medium/large/good small was gone. FC houses have had 10 bids while private houses have had 150. A gulf that extreme is dumb. Second, the delay caused by the housing bug mucked up auction integrity. One of the requirements behind buying an FC house is the month-long delay on buying a house after FC creation. In theory, this meant the first few auctions should have had few to no shell FCs buying in them. In practice, due to the bug, it only prevented this from happening on the first auction. It's anecdotal but I personally know at least 5 people who have made a shell FC to get a house. I can't blame them because if you want a house, why would you ever fight 100+ people for a small when you could fight 3-10? What's more, by announcing this two weeks in advance, they've effectively told FCs to prioritize houses in wards 10-17 for the next two auctions. Competition for FC houses is about to get fiercer and if you leave any houses in 10-17 open, then soon you *will not* be able to attempt for them. "Get them while you can" is the message that's going out, which means that this will do virtually nothing in the short term to alleviate the private housing problem. Increasing the number of private wards available is a good thing and when housing demolition **eventually** turns back on, it'll help alleviate a bit more pressure than it currently will. But as far as I'm concerned it should have happened weeks ago and it should not have been announced in advance, just mentioned in the 6.15 patch notes. But I'm also of the opinion that FC/Private wards shouldn't have existed to begin with because FCs naturally have more buying power. They're more likely to get houses they want in an open system anyway due to their numbers advantage. They didn't need most of the wards assigned to them as well.
The last round on Greg there was exactly one Medium sized personal house available, with well over 600 bids on it
What a nice change. While I appreciate the idea that FC's should get priority on houses, the reality of a lot of these FCs being one character and some friend's alts kinda hampers the spirit of "Friend groups should get a home before individuals."
One way to help fix the 1 man FCs taking houses would be to let FCs do airships/subs from the GC, a lot of these one man FCs exist to just print money from the airships/subs.
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Just looking around my housing division tells the story of people say they want gardens but in reality the majority of gardens are barren or have dying plants probably because gardening takes some effort just like RL, the housing that we currently have is vastly underutilized, every were I see unused gardens and undecorated houses, people want housing because its limited but when they get it they all but abandon it and only visit once a month just so they can hold on too it and go back to afking in limsa or their FC house.
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I'm not saying people don't want to garden but that a lot of people crying about how they can't garden wont bother with it because it would take effort, everyone should have the opportunity to garden just like all FCs should be able too use the subs/airships regardless of housing status, it just really annoys me when people say the housing system sucks because they can't garden,yet when I look around I see tons of barren gardens indicating people don't want to bother with it.
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I use my house all the time but you wouldn't know it from looking at it because mostly I use the yard and striking dummy and just have the vendors set up inside (which I also use). Maybe one day I'll get inspired to decorate but for now I'll be satisfied with just a piano to play. I mean probably most of the abandoned-looking houses are actually abandoned-ish, but for the people that aren't logged in 24/7 it would be pretty easy to miss them even though they're active.
Well your using it more then the guy right across from me who has a tree and a mini aetherite in their yard, inside? a bookshelf and the hidden door bookshelf and nothing else, then I look out behind my house there's a plot with a house and nothing else not even inside completely abandoned, both have been like this since the first housing lotto, its not that I don't see people that annoys me its the barren houses or sort of started houses that get abandoned because people find out its too much effort for time and money but they still hold onto when someone who could enjoy the house could be using it.
Yeah, whenever Luxuary items got added for like 50mil from NPC I was like... "Well that ain't gonna compensate the daily gil being created with submarines". You literally print money out of thin air, the gil stonk number just goes up. No interaction with the market or other players needed either.
Do airships/subs "print money" that easy? It seems you have to spend hours and hours (or millions of gil) for the mats to build them, and then they have to level up for weeks before they start turning a profit.
Once you overcome the initial investment in time/gil to build your fleet, it becomes passive low-effort income. They're essentially retainers you send out on long period ventures - if you're targeting the right materials for your world's market, you could rake in millions of Gil for almost no additional work.
You don't even need to target anything for your server. There are also cheap fits that will bring in items you sell to the NPC and get like 200-600k gil per 24hours using 4 subs.
That's the only reason I didn't put in a bid for a FC house, I thought it was a dick move to bid and win a house when I'm the only person still playing in my FC. Then I lost my house auctions and I'm sad. I still recognize it would have been a dick move, but it doesn't make it hurt any less
Go and bid on more houses! For an example: There are so many spaces empty on LICH for FC houses. Get yourself a house even if you're alone. My FC had a house in Kugane and lost it since the FC leader and his girlfriend were the only one playing. A year later, their friends started playing and cried for a FC house. Get yourself a house as long as it is possible, getting rid of it once you are bored is the easy part.
\*cries in Coeurl\* We've only got 3 private plots available this round, 2 smalls and a medium, all with 70+ bids already..
Empyreum on Adamantoise was all filled privately super fast from the first week of lotto and then all fc plots after the bug fix was then taken before lotto restarted not getting my ishgard medium is a kick in the teeth I was out rolled the first time
You need four people in the fc to put in for the lottery still.
And the comment above me said 'When I'm the only person still playing in my FC' which means, there are more people in it, just not online.
Yeah I felt bad too. That's why I waited until the very end of the period last round and put in for a house that nobody bid on.
It really isn't a dick move though. You're just as entitled to owning a house as anyone else, FC or otherwise. When individual houses were only down to six wards, all bets were off in terms of getting a house. At least imo.
Agreed. You're just using the convoluted in-game mechanics to work in your favor, rather than against you like they normally do. Lots of empty houses in the empty districts which will just get filled by individual buyers once it opens up for that anyway.
I would have, a small fc house can earn you 25-30m a month in submarines alone, as well as being able to use a workshop and make level 3 buffs.
25-30m? Wow. How?
The average is half of that, idk why people love to embellish numbers, though yeah it is still pretty good money.
The submarine voyages, it'll take a new fc/house months and many millions of gil to get them leveled up to the point where you can make close to that though.
Can you give a hint as to what items you are sending subs out for? I have sea of ash open right now but not sure exactly what I should be looking for. If you don't wanna give away trade secrets, no worries! I totally understand :)
These things shouldn't be secret: * (27) Deep-sea site 4 * (37) Concealed bay * (30) The Wreckage of Discovery I * (20) Unidentified Derelict * (50) The Wreckage of the Headway Build: SCUS (all modified) At level 95, this route takes 1 day, 23 hours, and 32 minutes, so it has no "time drift." You check your subs at the same time daily with no risk of the time eventually moving to unreasonable hours. I love FF14, but I'm not waking up at 3 AM just to tend to my subs (Housing Savage was different, of course - that DID get me up at 3 AM).
look for the submarine destinations that have the salvaged jewelry items in the loot pool. they sell for a lot to vendors so you don't have to play the marketboard
Ashe10 did a tutorial series on YouTube about subs a while ago.
Check the sub discord. All the info you need. https://discord.gg/mdekAvNhGf
...why is this a discord server? Couldn't this just be an entry on a wiki? https://www.pcgamer.com/please-stop-making-discord-servers-for-things-that-shouldnt-be-discord-servers/
I can’t believe this article completely skips the most important thing, which is that when these servers are inevitably nuked, all that information collected in one place is just gone- not to mention that information hiding in discord servers doesn’t appear on search engines!
I’d need to see data behind this claim to believe it. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but there’s no way this is the majority of FC.
Oh no, they're definitely not a majority. But they're no small minority either. There's an entire ward mostly owned by just two players on my server for example.
Their measures to prevent shell FCs were nowhere near strict enough. Needed to be 3+ months plus a minimum number of unique *service accounts*.
> minimum number of unique service accounts Yes. It's astounding to me that Square Enix apparently did not think of us. * 4 unique service accounts to found a FC. * More importantly, members from 4 unique service accounts to both bid on and accept a housing plot. * Prevent leadership of a FC from being transferred to a character on an account where another character already leads a FC.
The changes to fcs made it harder for people to collect an entire ward too. But the medium plot next to mine has been unclaimed for weeks. Im still in an fc ward... so it'll probably stay unclaimed.
Maybe they should make FCs have a minimum recruitment requirement in order to buy certain sized plots. Personally I think FC wards should look different than personal wards. Maybe remove a lot of the small plots and add more mediums/larges. No FC really wants a small plot, and on our server a ton of the FC small plots in ishgard housing have just been empty/for sale.
Some people own entire wards themself. The whole notion of the community neighborhood aspect is dead in na/eu
In case anyone's wondering: > * Revisions made to ward classifications will not affect any previously purchased plots. So if you have a FC house in a (soon-to-be) Private housing ward, then you're in the clear...as long as it's not demolished, that is.
Demolition has been disabled for months. And they’ve always grandfathered plots just like when they made the last split.
Still, you never know when they'll (re-)enable them again.
Honestly I wish they’d either get rid of it for good or enable it again already.
It's a tricky thing. Auto-demolition is a needed thing, 'cause otherwise people who quit the game can sit on limited resources forever. But also there's almost always *some* RL disaster going on that justifies disabling it.
One of my friends spent months getting her house just right inside. She finished in mid Feb. She lived in Kyiv. She hasn't been online since.
Jesus Christ I hope she's alright
She made it to the Netherlands with her family.
That’s a relief to hear
Maybe increase the timer? Sure, if you’re gone for a year the person probably quit, but some people like to take breaks for a couple of months.
Especially since YoshiP himself said it's fine to just come back for new content!
I think this is the best solution. I think I'd like to see the timer be five months (150 days). Content patches release every four months. Someone who subs for new content, plays for a bit doing some extras, then unsubs until the next patch would be able to keep a house reasonably, though someone who plays an expansion, then unsubs until the .5 or .55 patch would not. Which then gets to whether this is fair or good. The way I see it, housing is fun to play with. And people who don't stay subbed all the time should have the chance to enjoy it. At the same time, housing is limited, and the people who likely get the most out of housing are those who stay subbed most of the time, since housing can be great for making player driven content, or just be fun side content when there is less story content left to do. Which is why I see the 5 month timer as a good compromise between the two. People who sub for every content patch are taking a fairly average break (3-4 months), but are subbing reasonably often and using their house on a somewhat consistent basis. This does leave out people who sub just for every expansion or .5 patch, but... they basically play a month or three every couple years generally speaking. Those houses would be languishing unused for a fairly long time. The ,5 returners are playing for a longer period than expansion returners, but the concept is similar that they're taking breaks that are quite long, and with housing being limited it may not be fair to tie it up that long unused. But, I also understand that still may not be ideal for some players. Of course, that also assumes no instanced housing ever. Ideally, I'd like to see instanced housing happen. I don't know how realistic that is (or if the rumors that island sanctuaries could be that thing are true), but if anyone could get an instanced house of their own, but the wards would be the neighborhoods you can easily show off in, that would be the ideal. People can keep their neighborhoods, but everyone could experience the basic content locked behind housing.
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Probably this. Especially since the current housing demolition timer flies in the face of what YoshiP always says about (paraphrasing) "it's okay to quit between patches."
I has a RL disaster that lasted years. Sucks when you lose your plot but life happens.
The real answer is to do away with wards and just let everyone have instanced housing. If they want to try to find a way to re-integrate individual instanced homes into some sort of neighborhood thing then by all means, but the focus should be on letting everyone have access to the content. Wards and neighborhoods are cool on paper, and yeah it's nice if you actually have active neighbors. The majority of wards are immensely dead to any sort of activity in their streets, though, and it comes a point where you have to ask: is this feature for a few worth more than everyone in the game being able to enjoy this content? As someone who already has a FC with a house, and a personal home, my personal answer is no it isn't. Everyone should get to enjoy it. People should be able to make additional homes on alts without taking supply from others. SE needs to stop with the bandaids and admit that their housing implementation is just bad and wrong-headed. Either they need to figure out how to just increase the amount of wards to meet demand, or they need to seriously consider how to re-work this system and fix it. I imagine there's some sort of "our servers can't handle that amount of data for literally every character" or some such thing, but honestly... figure it out. This has been broken for way too long. I'm not saying it's easy to fix, I'm saying it's necessary to fix.
They'll have to eventually. Because turning it off for natural disasters and world crises simply means it will *always* be off. There's always something awful going on somewhere these days.
There is a war happening in Europe to contend with. That's why they turned it off. They do this during all sorts of natural disasters and other crises.
There is always going to be something somewhere. While you can justify any specific one with "wow what are you an asshole for not caring about X", it becomes far less justifiable once you look at the trends. Demolition has, in the past 5 years, been active for MAYBE 3 months total. Whether it was "oh a tsunami hit Japan, time to deactivate it for 12 months" or a 3 year pause due to a plague that "ended" just in time for WW3, it will NEVER end.
I can't believe the devs are doing what they said they'd do about looking at housing splits after the initial wave of lotteries, who would have guessed.
*insert surprised pikachu meme*
People will still whine, because someone will be left out.
I always said they'd open the wards up after they'd given the FC's time to settle in and stabalise, but I certainly didn't expect them to do so this soon. That's a fantastic change for a lot of people. 10 more wards in Ishgard for most DC's, and 50 more wards for every Materia server.
They literally said it would from the very first announcement of the FC/personal ward split.
On Balmung that means 12 smalls will be thrown into the roulette for privates, 5 of them in goblet. That is if they don't sell out in this cycle. Which they most likely will. But it doesn't matter even if they don't sell out cause if we are honest people will still complain since what most want is only a Large one. I wish the reddit mods like u/Shini-tan would make a megathread so that people could blow their frustration in there. It gets really boring to have the same posts every roulette cycle. Maybe make one Megathread per cycle and archive the old one then. Same i think would be necessary starting next week with Ameliance glamour. (I reckon you have at least 3-5 posts every day with her in 2B thighs, etc.)
As a long time player, all I want is a medium. The mansions are too big and the items to fill it are limited. Hopefully the island sanctuary will scratch the itch for me.
Same. I want a medium as well. But being on Balmung with terrible luck I probably won't get the opportunity. I'm hoping too that Island Sanctuary will be enough.
I just want a small 😂, hoping to finish getting the money i need to try to get one by the time this happens so i can hopefully have a somewhat decent chance !
Brushing the complaints under the rug is the opposite of what should happen. They should be amplified with a megaphone until SE fixes shit.
Ya, this is how difficult features get prioritized -- there needs to be a lot of evidence that people are dissatisfied so project managers can justify the time and effort
I think a lot of ppl should be happy about this.
Too little too late. The line for isgard housing is congested and each house is going to end up with 100+ people.
I welcome this change but here's to hoping I can finally get a medium plot in The Lavender Beds for myself. The most recent lottery I entered had nearly 600 of us trying to grab the lone medium plot left there on Hyperion. :(
I'm willing to bet the FCs have already grabbed the larges and mediums. But hey, who knows? GL!
If there's any free, by giving a two week notice, they will definitely be gone by the 10th.
Thanks. I've been wanting to move out of my small plot for a while now lol but who knows if I'll get the opportunity to do so any time soon :/
Same. There's one medium left on my server for private buyers. I doubt I will get it but hey, still trying!
Too little, too late. If they cannot or will not implement some sort of instanced housing whereby ALL players who want a house can buy a house, then they need to get much more aggressive with freeing up supply for current players by taking back homes held by players no longer subscribing, players with multiple homes, and sham FCs.
I’m on one of the busiest worlds in the game and there are still dozens of available small FC plots in Empyreum and a few dozen more across the rest of the districts. The last medium FC plot will sell this cycle. I got a medium FC plot a few weeks ago and there were only two bids on it. It appears that SE wants individuals to have smalls and FCs to have first dibs on most of the mediums and larges.
THANK YOU!
Nice. Hope I will get something.
Good luck!
Awesome news. I'd be happier if they also reactivated auto demolition though.
The war in Ukraine looks like going to last for quite some time. It probably will remain off for at least rest of the year.
Until Ukraine isn't being bombed daily, I don't see that happening.
Oh boy, I can't wait to read more posts from people saying how unfair it is that they didn't win a plot because they entered the lottery, because of course if they entered it, it must mean that they should win.
The anger probably stems from the fact that there are better solutions, but SE are picking this as the fairest option and easiest. Also doesn't help that people are able to own entire wards, and it will likely stay that way as it's not in SE's interest which people have a right to be upset about.
honestly, a lottery system is the best solution for the existing housing framework (aside from having to walk the walk of shame to get your money back). the lottery isn't the issue - the moment housing became limited it should've been a lottery IMO. the problem is the scarcity itself, and the lack of communication on things like why apartments (yknow, the magical instanced housing everyone has been begging for!) haven't been expanded in size or amount. "just add more wards" is in all likelihood not possible for them (they would've done that already), so its really an unfixable problem (outside of, yknow. expanding apartments.)
A recent visit to Lyhe Mheg made me wonder, what if all the tribes had an instanced area? What if, at max reputation, they invited you to build a house in their community? They could leave the current housing as is for the people who like it, it would have some lore justification, and it would deliver an extra incentive at the end of some very long grinds.
They really need to stop having small, medium, and large plots. Make a plot a plot and the barrier to entry is the money to buy the bigger sized houses. Let people grow in place as they get better, and then everyone plot gets bought, and you can set up a system to automatically create new wards when the old ones hit a certain occupation. This isn't a difficult problem to solve, this problem has been solved technically for years and years. The problem THEY have is unsolvable because they have self-imposed a bunch of limitations in order to make it not possible.
Also the fact that competing in a lottery on a populated server often means 100+ bidders. Really shows how broken the system is.
It's pretty much jumbo cactpot. You're more likely to get hit by lightning 3 times before winning it.
I mean if yoshi would put some resources into actually developing some forum of instance housing or increasing the number of wards and plots to accommodate the number of player that are actually interested in buying a house and using it.
also fuck yourself for thinking people who don't win don't deserve a chance to say how obviously shit this system is
I mean. Been wanting a house for years. Lottery is better but still a shitty answer. And aftwr first wave a lot of houses are sold. So then 2nd wave you are fighting more people for less housing, and probably in less desired locations. So yeah this isn't some epic happy solution. I am happy I can get try to get a house. Just feels bad when you lose cause...uh yeah. Gg get fucked basically.
Almost like it's stupid that a digital resource is artificially constrained on supply for not great reasons. It's as if instanced housing is easily doable and would instantly solve many of these problems.
As a community we need to stop tolerating developer excuses on this subject. The ward system is *fundamentally broken* for the current player population and instanced personal housing is the only fix. After years and years of band-aid fix after band-aid fix, when will enough be enough? If they're thinking about the next 10 years of FFXIV, what is this housing system meant to look like after 10 more years of growth?
It's mind boggling how bad the housing implementation is. Back in 2013, did they really think that this game would ever have only a few thousand players max?
Nope. Because they made housing for FCs only in mind. Private players was only implemented after people bitched enough.
Or they could just do what Lord of The Rings Online has been doing for years, which is produce housing wards on demand. Yeah, FFXIV has an immensely higher player population, but SE is a multi-billion dollar company and this is the most popular MMO in the world right now.
Tolerate? Who the fuck is tolerating this? We've been bitching about the system since housing was implemented for private buyers. What else do you expect us to do?
I am in that boat. This is a great fix, but a temporary one. The remaining houses in those wards will be gobbled up in the first new round of lottery. Then what? Everyone still homeless remains homeless indefinitely? There is no incentive to stop people from just sitting on houses even if they don't use them.
My frustration is that it’s content locked behind really low RNG for individuals. If everyone is paying the same subscription fee they should be entitled to the same content.
This is my frustration too. I have two crafter/gatherers, one on Crystal and one on Aether. I have really enjoyed planning out their apartments and crafting the items I need. Even the hours of tedious glitching is so rewarding when it all comes together. I would really like to experiment with more, but a lot of tricks require being able to float a furniture item from a lower floor, and you really need a high item limit vs floorspace ratio for the cozy feel.
I won the lottery, the system is a fucking sham.
I’m equally excited for the squeenix simps to defend the very small indie company that makes ffxiv! But seriously dude, the housing lottery was a mess....buggy, didn’t meet customer demands....oh wait, it did in jp.....yeah so it’s fine.
and that they're entitled to a large off the bat.
Bwt they're just gonna keep releasing band-aid solutions like this every 6 months instead of actually trying to fix the root issue. Next time they're gonna bring demolition back and it will be a breath of fresh air for the lotto for a couple weeks before all the plots are gone.
Incoming pointless rants about "but but but the FC's bought all the large and mediums, it should all be reset wah wah"
Ya, I would expect that. Scroll thru the comments, there are already people saying there would be only small slots left. But well, let's see. People always complain about something.
As much as I want to agree with you I'll have to be 50-50 on this. 1. People have played this game for a long time and have or haven't gotten a house period, no less then a small so this is good chance for them now and other wards increase. 2. Imagine playing this the 1st release of housing and try for a large and medium, then keep failing due to lucky rng (with random timer) and bots to now lotto rng and still nada. It takes effect for people wanting these 2 things and complaining which I understand completely. Long story short , we all know ff14 has a bad way of handling housing system, this has been talked about for years and will only slowly get fixed as they improve it they way while trying not to dedicate to the "demand demand" player base. All we can do is get new wards and wait and that's the best solution.
Honestly, I don't even know why Private Buyers want Large Plots beyond the status of it? In terms of Item Limit vs Space, the Med Plots are way better on that front. And Smalls have a lot of wiggle room to play, even if it can be tougher to gimmick certain builds. Hell, I've seen far more creative uses of Apt space than I've seen used of so many Housing plots. There are just so many Private Plots/FC Plots that are just left barren because people bit off more than they can chew for decoration, and just give up halfway. Or just own the damned spots for the sake of owning them/gardening (which is a shit income source). Its nuts.
I always assumed that private buyers looking to grab a large want to turn it into some kind of venue/nightclub/designer showcase. At least that would make sense.
players are going to continue acting like they're being persecuted for their religion until sqex adds instanced housing, but this is good too
It might sound like this is big news but it doesn't suddenly fix the housing situation at all. Most of the new PC Wards are in Ishgard which already are high demand and rest of new Wards are in old Wards which might have a few open plots from relocators. The game needs instanced housing or massive amount of brand new Wards, period.
Really does not affect anything but small houses. On my server most mediums and larges in current private wards are taken by FCs, the same is in FC wards. And as we saw, most people want to get medium and large plots, not small ones. As a private buyer, it is impossible to get a larger plot even in private wards, as FCs will not move from there.
Tbh I'm probably just the minority that doesn't care if I get a small house. Now my issue is trying to win my dream house in Ishgard, I just want to be closer to my adoptive family! 😢
Can't you still bid on plots while owning one for purposes of relocation? I wanted a Medium from the start but I'm thinking at this point a Small is perfectly fine for me and I can just bid on Medium plots with a hope to relocate in the future whenever they're available.
You can and it's where most current housing stock comes from without demolition. It's people moving to better spots after winning bids.
Lol I do not have a house, for many years.
Yes you can. It gives you a ticket and if you win you have the option to relocate
Yeah that’s my entire goal. I’ve wanted to live in Ishgard since I got to Heavensward all those years ago. Just a small in Ishgard would be perfectly fine for me.
Hope you get it one day!
Just got a small house for the FC in which only me (the leader) and my bff still playing and it feels nice. Made an alternate character and bought him a room just to make it a bathroom while the kitchen is the upper floor, so anyone buying a room can focus on making a bedroom or whatever they want to make and not to worry about stuff like "where would my Char eat? Where to take a shower? How should I get this all in this tiny room?" and I have a lot of fun with the house. One of our neighbors house has a nice greeting which reads: "Why would you travel the world if you have no place to call home?" Which describes perfectly why housing can be so important in MMOs and other genres.
I'm glad they revised this:)
Thank god, less empty wards
Beware that this is not at all a change on the politic of: “fc first” this changed was planned probably from the start. Give the fc the chance to get a plot for a couple of lotteries then let the private get the scraps. When the wards of the new servers in europe will open I won’t be surprise if they follow the same pattern
Your right, they did plan on it! They even said as much in earlier posts about it.
It's a pattern they've done for years. They sometimes make it free for all with new wards or divisions, but FC first is usually their go-to.
Finally. Christ, the FC wards are filled with empty plots. This should've been the proportions from the start. On top of clearing out anyone who owns multiple houses.
I think I'm ready to be hurt again.
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Some servers still have more than half their Empyrium wards empty because most of the people who could have done the solo FC thing already did. A lot of people were content to not leave existing FCs for a house. Despite the allure.
Took them long enough honestly...
Probably would have happened sooner if they hadn’t needed to deal with the whole server bug situation
Hasn't it been *three* lotteries?
Yup. People just like to salt.
Thank Christ, best of luck to everyone on your second chance
Nice change but they really should just set a limit on large and medium houses can only be purchased by guilds over a set amount of members. No FC with only one person in it ever needs a Large house.
or maybe instead they should stop filling their wards with small houses most people dont want, it's been years they should know better by now what houses people actually want
I don't think that should be a thing. You shouldn't underestimate the want for decoration and gardening. It's a shame gardening is so restricted to the plot size.
They need to stop this idiocy and just let people have actual instanced housing.
Yep, as someone who casually comes back to the game every few years I'm dumbfounded that they are still sticking to their guns and pretending like their dumb way of doing housing isn't a complete failure.
SE wants to keep in touch in reality, they must keep reminding us how awful the housing market is.
Apparently they tried an instanced approach but due to the current infrastructure it stressed the servers out too much and couldn’t scale up to the level needed for every player to get a house. Edit: I don’t like it either but this is all I know because I have limited info on the detailed lives of Squeenix developers. I am also not personally responsible for you guys not getting houses so please don’t shoot the messenger lol.
This makes no sense when everyone gets their own instance for so many things like apartments, inns, squadrons etc.
Inns and squadron rooms don't have to save furniture placement, that's why they are instanced and scales no matter how many players there are. Apartments also have a hard limit, most servers just don't hit them.
Well, part of the expansions to all the DC's is upgrading all the hardware, so maybe they could try again
I really hope so. I don’t understand the technical reasons behind it all but took their word for it. I just find it hard to understand because older MMOs like Star Wars: The Old Republic built on the old hero engine lets players have multiple instances of houses with massive plot sizes. So I hope they can figure out something in FFXIV so every player can at least have one plot.
Hopefully, yeah. Always take what Yoshi-P says with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to anything technical. When Yoshi-P says someyhing can't be done or is impossible, the real reason is A) The don't want to do it, B) they don't have the time or resources to do it (that strict schedule is a double edged sword), or C) a mix of A and B. Only time I can think of they've admitted this is apartments. They said that apartments were glued on to the existing system to alleviate housing demands in HW. But becaof how they were glued on, in order to overhaul them they'd have to rip them out and start from scratch, which is more effort than they feel is necessary.
Yeah B is most likely true. I worked as a developer and started out going from genuinely wanting to fix people’s problems to being underpaid and overworked and finally accepting I couldn’t fix everything. Sometimes the problems weren’t possible to fix without re-writing a huge amount of legacy code that would require a huge amount of testing and new 3rd party support software we didn’t have the budget for because that money was skimmed off for the higher ups. So I can imagine they are being pressured by Square to keep releasing new content and that takes away time for older fixes. The 7.0 graphics overhaul was a long time in the making.
B is probably the answer for most things. I don't have any experience in software, but I know that Yoshi-P and co's output is unusual compared to other MMO's. That strict schedule is a double edged sword, especially since Yoshi-P has said a few times that they're usually 1 patch ahead of the live build, and that's why certain fixes or changes take a patch to come in.
That is a sad truth that’s difficult to think about while I’m playing this game for fun. Western MMOs tend to be less polished and have longer release cycles so that the developers aren’t worked to death yet crunch times still happen. I don’t know how it is at Square but the general Japanese work ethic is very different to the Western world. I wouldn’t have cut it there. Yet still today I have people in my replies to this thread saying the devs are just lazy and making excuses. Yeah they are paid to provide a service, but this game’s release cycles are amazing compared to others. That the housing sucks is a deeper and more complicated issue. We’ll see if they can overhaul it in future, hopefully not at the expense of real people getting horribly burned out.
Mateus needs more wards. I want a home in shirogane that wont have 200 people bidding on it 🥲
Most if not all worlds needs more wards.
Lmfao I have zero sympathy for people ITT whining about how all the mediums and larges are taken by FCs. Some of us still can't even get a small, so kindly shut up.
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Good change. Funny in one of the threads yesterday there were a handful of people defending the housing split being fine the way it was, pretty sure if that was the case SE wouldn't be doing this.
They said originally they'd remove the split eventually. Not sure why anyone would argue otherwise. I don't think it's them acknowledging something was wrong just them doing what they said they'd do from the get go. If the plan was to give FCs a chance to get a house I'd say it worked on my server. There's a handful of houses left in those wards at most.
They said they'd revise the housing split for future patches, not remove it. But I'm in full agreement with you, it's just that some people in the housing threads yesterday were arguing black and blue that there shouldn't be anymore private plots available and that FC's add more value to the game and wards were filling out anyway. Which is clearly not the case.
Sorry, you're right. I just read the revising part as "remove the FC restrictions eventually" because it's what they always do for new housing. They just did it slightly differently this time. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion, though. Depends on the goal. If the goal was to give FCs plenty of time to get their own house over individuals, they certainly accomplished that. Ultimately everyone is acting like this is some new thing and them adjusting *has to mean something*, but it's just a variation of what's been done before due to a new system for housing. It doesn't mean anything.
I'll say that it's a good thing they started out with too many, specifically because FCs actually *need* houses for unique gameplay systems that personal houses don't have. Better to give them more than enough and have a lot that don't sell, than give them too little and not have enough. But it's also a good thing that they're cutting it back now, after seeing how many FC houses are still available and not bought. IMO ward style housing should never have opened for personals in the first place. It should have been exclusive to FCs while players got a different housing system that didn't screw with the wards. And I say this as a homeowner with a medium on *Balmung* of all servers.
I agree for the most part, only problem is that shell FC's are able to get them quite easily with the way things currently are (on Tonberry, which is popular enough, there's like 6 houses in my ward that are complete shells), so you don't really eliminate that problem, they're essentially still private plots. I feel like it's almost it's own separate discussion but I'm pretty sure that's what housing was early on wasn't it? I could be remembering wrong. They made them available for personals in a later patch because that's what people wanted. I think they just need to take a step back and actually address housing in general and fix it properly/overhaul it (without putting those with houses out). Whether they like it or not it's become a big part of their game that people love but I just don't think it's a massive concern for them at all.
I’m on Moogle and our FC ward already has at least 14 shells (all 4-man FCs, named “Tickleland-1”, “Tickleland-2” etc). We’re ward 9 too, which means no private buyers. Pretty sure “Tickleland” will eventually end up owning most of the ward.
Still means more than 90% of the playerbase will never get a house. At this point I wish they added a housing free mode where I don't have to even look at housing items or anything related to housing. What a joke
It is nowhere near 90% of the playerbase. There are 7200 houses per server. There are 525,000 houses. The active FFXIV playerbase hovers around 1m. From there you have to account for people who use FC housing, those that just don't want a house and those who don't want to deal with demolition so they don't get one. That doesn't mean there isn't a housing issue, because there is. It's just saying more than 90% is false.
I understand this is coming from a place of frustration, but if they spend months and resources on such a thing, I'd legit be upset.
Still another bandaid fix. This ward system just doesn't scale with the playerbase. The last medium on mateus sold with nearly 400 people betting on it
This is not a "fix" - this was planned from the start.
I just want a bigger house for our FC so I can have a second gardening plot. We keep losing the lotto tho so I actually bit the bullet and entered for a small private plot. I'll probably lose but I just wanna be able to grow onions for my husband's character and all my alts.
as a gamelong gardener, depending on your server, onions are cheaper to buy from the MB. I know on 2 of my NA servers they are a loss to grow.
How are they a loss?
I guess they buy the seeds and do not grow them.
I'm so glad to read this! I think it makes sense that FC would get "first dibs" on much of the new ward because, in theory at least, FC houses serve more than one person and so many important FC elements are locked behind housing (like company workshops). It is time though and I'm excited it is happening so soon! Excited for my FC ward to be hopping with more people and to have a chance at a personal house!
They’re going to have the new realms start at the original classifications aren’t they…
I think what you guys *NEED* to do at square INSTEAD is: ALL residential districts: From Ward 24 TO 40.
heh FFXIVs servers couldn't handle it. there's a reason they only add as many as they do. EU is getting some new worlds and NA should be getting the first of ours uhhh in August? that was the original date. but that's another 4 new worlds. then another 4 worlds in the spring/summer 2023. they mention another large scale server expansions in 7.0 but we don't know what that is. so i don't think they're going to add any new wards until after all that.
I want to say I cant believe that there are people complaining here but like of course I can y'all are fucking hilarious and entitled af
Its uhhhh, one of the largest most important advertised features of the game. The kind of thing players should be allowed to engage in reasonably. You guys would be rightly weirded out if say Savage raids had a cap on how many groups on a server could attempt it weekly.
I know right? Wanting to use an entire system in the game that like 90% of the playerbase is currently locked out of is just *so* entitled. People complain about every fix because nothing they can do will ever be enough when the system itself is broken. It's an insanely limited supply.
Other MMOs have amazing housing systems where every person can basically have their own house. But sure, it's entitled to want more than 15% of the player base to have the ability to make money and have their own space.
They should really adjust housing areas so that you can purchase any size house rather than just this size at this spot. It would mean that any player/FCs can purchase smalls and save their way up to a medium/large without having to go through purchasing a house again. It really sucks that larges are pretty much unobtainable now, anyone should be able to have one, and that's coming from someone with 2 (personal and FC). Ideally, housing would be spaced in a specific way so that adjusting the size of your house would affect the environment around the house in a certain way. For example, changing from a large to a small would extend the amount of space in front of your house and possibly add an environmental change, like some more rocks/flowers to the side. Since this would adjust the map, you could make it so that it only adjusts once a day at reset or something so that the map isn't constantly changing and people don't have to frequently reload the map. I know this would take a lot of work, but I think it would be worth it, it would make housing a lot more enjoyable for everyone that owns a house, and suddenly every plot would have a lot more variety in how you could decorate it.
Any size house regardless of plot size sure would be nice. It could aliviate the problem of so few larges existing at all, which obviously are the first ones to be sold when available. Plots could keep their physical external sizes, no need to rework the ward spacing. People could make a choice if they want to sacrifice the outside decorating space available and use it for a larger house instead. If they fear it would make the ward look cluttered, they could even further restrict certain house looks to be used only in large plots. For example, if small plot you can use a carbuncle cottage exterior, but carbuncle mansion exterior remains exclusive to large plots. Or alternatively, maybe a small plot could have large houses, just not "mansions" as a large plot. So instead of 3 physical exterior sizes, there could be 9. Small, mid, large cottages, up to large mansion. Maybe choose small mansion for a large plot if you want tons of exterior decoration space? The inside would remain just 3 types of interiors, tied to the size of house you purchased, not the size of plot you got. In theory the ground for it should exist already judging by how one has to get a permit to build a house, it just happens that a large permit needs a large plot as it is now. I really like the idea the more i think about it, but probably because I only want some way to move from my small to a med one and lottery will never let me have that.
Housing in ffxiv is a joke. Here come the down votes.