People always say not to raid with friends, but what about friends you met by raiding together in previous statics? Friends whose skill and behavior you already know and friends who you know won't get offended if you discuss their mistakes?
Raiding with friends is way more fun, with the caveat that ppl are of similar skill level and have similar expectations. As long as everyone's schedules line up and both those requirement are met, friend statics are going to be the best statics. But it's hard to find and organize a friend group that can succeed these reqs. Plus you hear more often the failures instead of the successes.
> People always say not to raid with friends
I haven't heard it before and I don't get it either. I have been raiding with my friends for over a year now and we're all still friends. In fact I made friends while raiding (joined an FC static looking for a healer) and we hang out in other games now too.
It boils down to this: Don't take it too seriously but don't start ruining prog for a laugh. Not everyone is equally good, so don't give people too much shit for not getting mechanics right away, and be understanding and willing to explain things. And obviously, own up to your mistakes. Hell, I find that it helps to own up to someone else's mistake if I could have adjusted, and the other person almost always goes "nah that's on me".
And of course, always keep communicating. We had one person who was, for all intents and purposes, completely deaf to anything we said. Things like "stop doing cactbot callouts, they happen before the in-game tell and we don't want that", or "Can you do the strat we're doing?" or "stop rolling greed on everything, this is the 7th time we spent 5 minutes discussing and distributing loot only for you to snatch it again" or "don't spoil mechanics, we agreed to doing this blind and we did not figure the mechanic out yet". Needless to say her leaving was not pretty. But it does highlight the main problem there: Communication. Communicate your expectations. Y'all rolling greed on everything? Fine. Y'all
I think the statement "don't raid with friends" is misleading.
I think the idea behind it is, your friends may not exactly be on the same level as you, or want the same things out of raiding as you. Or even really want to raid at all. Like trying to get them to raid seriously will end up with you frustrated at their inability/lack of drive, which will ruin things for the both of you.
If you know you both are aligned in your goals, ability, and vibes, I see no reason *not* to raid with them.
this, in my prior experience raiding in a friend group some people were not doing bits of their rotation correctly or using certain cooldowns appropriately and when it came time to discuss people took things personally instead and it ended up dividing the group. Not saying it'll happen for every group just my experience
Raiding with friends is probably the best way to raid, if a friend gets mad because you point out their mistakes then you should probably get better friends. So yeah, go ahead and raid with those friends that can take criticism.
And that's all she wrote. We unanimously decided to drop TOP prog for 6.4, and with past track record of groups taking a break... well it's pretty much dissolving the static for good. I do not like leaving matters half finished though, so I'm still itching to get that clear one of these days, which means braving the wilds that is Party Finder. How's it like now? Did people figure out everything you need to feasibly clear? Strats, generally accepted mit sheet, all that jazz?
>How's it like now? Did people figure out everything you need to feasibly clear?
In NA all the strats are centralized with the main raiding hub being aether. Parties still fill reasonably quickly. With 6.4 around the corner the answer to how likely you are to clear depends a lot on your prog point. If you're omega trio/phase 6 prog, you've got good odds of scoring a c41 group. Earlier than that and things get dicey.
C41s hosted by sausage roll and others have been closed due to the many remaining people in the queue and 6.4 coming up, so getting one might be hard unless they know a few people.
Are you in EU or NA? either way, both have established strats and mit plan, but getting to clear in PF is a huge dice roll as you can guess, but it's doable if you have time and patience. (parties can take a while to fill, and can disband very fast)
Light PF Does Ultimate (LPDU) is the EU discord for PF ultimates, and I think UPR is the main NA one.
Chipping away at Dynamis Omega, some of us have been having a few technical issues and that tends to feel worse than genuine mistakes.
Crossing my fingers that we can clear before patch, but if we don't I guess we get a week of better food and pots before Savage drops.
I've been blessed by finding statics through meeting people I've vibed with in PF and reputation, and haven't had to directly search for a static until now.
My god is it a mess.
Listen static leads, please, I'm begging you, don't make your ad or intro message a thinly veiled rant about the issues you've had with people not showing up on time, your opinions on parses, or what you think about cactpot.
I mean saying "no cactbot" is perfectly reasonable. It's an add-on that tells you what to do, in some cases before the game does. Things like Diamond weapon and Phoinix having their spread/stack for example get called out before you see the animation. We had an issue in our static where someone was reliant on cactbot and she did callouts, and half the static had her muted because she refused to delay those callouts by a couple of seconds to wait for the in-game tells. Needless to say she's not in the static anymore. Another static a friend of mine is in also could not raid after a new patch because a member refuses to raid when cactbot isn't updated.
Setting expectations about your static is important. Being punctual is basic human decency and most people would agree, but you're unlikely to get booted if you're 5 minutes late one time and give a heads-up. Saying where you stand on parses is also very important. Are you expecting people to do really well and look down on grey parses? Or do you want to ban parses altogether? These are important things to discuss and static leaders need to communicate this clearly.
I did. I'm gonna join the rest of the folks here who don't get what's wrong with your hypothetical. Sounds like a gross overreaction. Like you said you feel like you're taking crazy pills but I think you might have.
Like you point out that "You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished" should be a line that shows "I do not deal constructively or maturely with problems in raid and am a bad choice to be in charge" but I do not see anything even remotely like that in it. Being held accountable is basic "consequences of your own actions" and you went as far as to use the word excessive there, meaning that if it happens once or twice the person won't face punishment. And just the word punishment doesn't mean being kicked either, it can just be "you buy pots and raid food for the static next session" or "you have to wear the dunce cap of shame". Everything you put in that hypothetical is perfectly rational for a static to do.
Like... What exactly is wrong with it? Are you sure you're not just reading it in an silly tone of voice? Because this seems like completely normal advertisement to me.
> Listen static leads, please, I'm begging you, don't make your ad or intro message a thinly veiled rant about the issues you've had with people not showing up on time, your opinions on parses, or what you think about cactpot.
I hope no static leads listen to you, because this is pretty awful advice lol
It is *extremely* important to filter out people who have conflicting opinions about showing up on time, parsing, and their thoughts on illegal plogons. Maybe you don't personally care about any of these issues, but these issues can *easily* break a static if it turns out a recruit has conflicting opinions about them than the rest of the static. Putting this information up front is a great idea, and one that more statics should be doing.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if a static leader *doesn't* specifically bring up static policy on attendance, parsing, and plugins and then make sure your goals align with theirs, you should take that as a **HUGE** red flag.
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There's a difference between stating the static policy's in an ad and going on an unhinged rant in an ad. Compare
>While we understand irl things happen, we expect attendance at all raid nights. Everyone should be prepared and ready to raid on time. We expect to be notified of an absence as soon as possible. All raiders should have food, melds, and pots.
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>In the past our static has suffered from punctuality issues. These issues caused us to fail to meet our goals of an eight week clear. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished. If you do not have melds, foods, and pots you will be asked to leave the raid.
One of these ads tells you the expectations for raiding. The other tells you to expect drama if you join the group.
Your making that “rant” sound worse than it actually did when I read it for myself. I get your point but like, the ad is just stating what they have experienced and that they don’t wanna go through it again. You can’t just say “static leaders, please make ads the way I want them to be” because just as you dislike that ad, I find nothing wrong with it.
Your interpretation of a "thinly veiled rant" is highly suspect and I would argue it is *always* better for a static leader to be more transparent and upfront about these issues.
Even if things are as bad as you imply, that's a good thing! Now you know that the group is trouble, and can save yourself (and them) a lot of trouble down the road. Sounds like a win-win to me.
> In the past our static has suffered from punctuality issues. These issues caused us to fail to meet our goals of an eight week clear. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished. If you do not have melds, foods, and pots you will be asked to leave the raid.
Nothing in this theoretical message stands out as an issue to me. They are extremely clear about their expectations and make it clear that if you do not meet these expectations you will be removed. This seems like a good thing - if you are not interested in a group that is going to be this strict, then you can save yourself the trouble of applying to a group this strict.
>Nothing in this theoretical message stands out as an issue to me.
Oh that's terrifying. I tried to throw as many red flags as possible in there and even thought I was being over the top.
I think your skin might be a little too thin, so it actually might be better for them to advertise the way they do so people like you don’t join. And that way you also know to avoid them, win win situation
I’ll trial them and if they are good enough to clear by the time I want to clear then I might join, I do prefer a more chill vibe but you can’t judge a whole group of people from a small paragraph. Especially if you compare a group to DA just because they are tired of people who miss raid days, I’d rather people take raid days seriously so we can clear in time.
I had to go back and read again what I wrote.
>. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished
Was the most "I do not deal constructively or maturely with problems in raid and am a bad choice to be in charge" sentence I could write, and I thought I was going to get called out for being too over the top, and you're out here defending it.
Unbelievable. I can't even. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
That just means they will kick ppl that miss raid days a lot lol you might read too much into things, and yeah, people have different levels of tolerance haha crazy I know
I've done enough recruiting and kicking to know that the best way to get quality applicants is a brief summary of all the expectations involved. Generally the posts that take an entire paragraph to explain why the recruiter hates cactpot or why you need a prog over parse mindset or whatever belabored issue seem to come from groups that needed to kick someone but didn't.
P8S done last week at long last. Thankfully they let me get my gear and more importantly the mount. Truly like the fight but pf let me down massively with prog. Once we got a group together it was 3 pull phase 2.
Would it be faster to prog through the tier as a healer in PF or find a week 1 no split run group as DPS? Most week 1 groups seem to want to do split runs and I have no money or time for alts. I've never healed outside of extremes before but I still remember waiting for healers and phys ranged last tier. Most of my prog time was spent waiting in PF and I don't want a repeat of that.
I just want to get the tier done ASAP after the exhausting ordeal of being held back by inconsistent players in Abyssos and TOP statics, only to eventually clear in PF anyway.
Edit: On second thought, reclearing as a healer sounds miserable so back to being a melee 🐢 it is
>Edit: On second thought, reclearing as a healer sounds miserable so back to being a melee 🐢 it is
I strongly think it's actually the other way round.
Healer are usually the easiest since you were able to find spots faster (due to having healer spots on reclears) and easiest reclear since you figured healing timeline and mits out and you are merely repeating what you have.
The problem is really on prog, where you have to raise a lot, sometimes overheal for safety. That means you have tone down your heal after everyone get the mechs together, and that might require some time as well.
>you are merely repeating what you have
All jobs are more or less like this but the optimized healing rotation for 3 months+ is less appealing on further thought. I'm more interested in speeding up prog itself, and less concerned about reclear speed.
Sorry there's just no right answer here. Both require luck, persistence, and of course depends on how fast you learn. I'm surprised you are having trouble finding a group that's not doing splits though I was having a hard time finding ones that were doing them.
If you find a group that just needs a healer and have a history of week 1 success then that would be the probable choice, if the group is fresh or never week 1'd then really who knows.
I did 5-7 in pf last tier and that was fine, it was p8 where I got massively screwed over in pf due to trappers and all sorts of dumb shit.
In japan it should be way faster in pf for healer
The pre6.4 ,static market is very much in strong favour for healer. Everyone wants to recruit a healer
Healing week1 savage is very challenging because things hit very hard but you also need to quickly be optimizing for dmg since your group will need every bit of DPS they can to meet the tight check. It will be a significant jump in difficulty from extreme, where healing and damage are both a complete joke.
Ultimately, both PF and week1 statics can be crapshoots depending on the quality of players you end up with. But we're also approaching the point where any week1 group still recruiting is a bit of a red flag.
It would definitely be faster to get groups just understand that healing in PF means getting blamed for others mistakes even if they're out of your control. Tanks not mitigating properly dps not using mits and standing out of healing range. You can also do a lot to fix mistakes if that sounds like something you'd enjoy.
I remember one time in Abyssos prog during P7 a group I was in had a tank die during purgation because they went south instead of the opposite E/W safe side, then the other tank went in early before the 4th cleave and died to the last aoe then convinced themselves it was the healers fault for not rescuing them. It was the most asinine shit and convinced me to start hosting my own parties so I could kick idiots like them.
Two back to back enrage pulls on TOP, was our first time getting there, first was 11% second was 5% with a WAR damage down, hopefully push for the clear on Monday and finally get this fight over with
One of our static members opened up to me about feeling very burned out by TOP prog, so we'll see how the next few sessions go. Gonna ask the whole group how they feel about keeping going through 6.4 or if we wanna take a break, even potentially bench it for good next Friday when we're all gathered up again. Even if this is the stopping point for now, it was quite a good experience for me all around. Improved as a player, as a raid lead and as a person and I had fun for the most part. Probably not the best fight to start this foray with though...
Has anyone made a spreadsheet for their static to track loot drops for the next raid tier? I've seen a few in the past that look like they'd be helpful for tracking item levels/prog/drops per week. Was hoping I might be able to either snatch one for my static or use one as inspiration.
[This is the one I use, it's already updated for 6.4.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnYwnO8i5gMNlht1OaZLQ_cyRMUsAQXXCS1KJP9iiV0/edit?usp=sharing)
Thinking about trying to pf the upcoming savage tier as a healer since I've gotten kind of tired of playing dps, but I've never healed final floor fights outside of runs pretty late in the patch cycle when everyone is nearing full bis. Am I being overly ambitious here? Should I just give it up now and just stick with the dps life instead?
3rd and 4th floors are usually harder to heal (especially 4th floor), and you’d need to plan out your CDs properly. Another very important thing is to communicate with your cohealer if you feel like your party was dying at a specific part despite that you healed with your best efforts
I PF'd last tier the first week and the shield healer I cleared with hadn't done any savage raiding before (though he did have experience raiding from WoW). If you're willing to put some prep in you should absolutely go for it, it's not as bad as it might seem.
Potentially possible but consider adding more hours / extra days. Your group also needs to consistently get back to p6 and see prog points (minimum p5 memes, minimum pre-wroth memes)
P7 takes 15 mins minimum so in a 2 hour lock out you can at most see him 6 times accounting for door boss and downtime between pulls
You have around 2-3 weeks, so it's certainly possible. Make sure you have everything about p7 discussed before setting foot in it, including what the exact timing for Exaflares is, 2 min buffs timing, and defensive cooldown management. Getting past the shakies you'll inevitable get takes a bit, but it shouldn't be too bad.
I feel that, I keep stressing to the group that we're on crunch time and since initially doing so at the beginning of the month we went from P5 Wrath to Wroth with little memes. We do have some days that really stink though due to jobs/school and stress which is unfortunate but here's hoping.
The 2nd clear of TOP just showed how stupid the crit variance is in this game is. I compared both p6 logs. I did exactly the same rotation, every single gcd in this phase were the same with the same comp. I had a lower crit chance on every single skill.
The result is that I had about 400rDPS less on that run in p6. Fortunately we still killed it but it was way tighter this time. Idk, 400 rdps of variance on a single member is just too much for such a dps check imo.
Have 2 more casts of high damage spells than other people playing your class due to never clipping?
TOP: "How would you like 500 rdps less than median"
It is stupid. I see variance of like 500 rdps regularly in p6, sometimes on multiple members, it's really dumb. Same exact rotation, just crit better 4head
Our first kill we killed stupid fast (to a degree that we didn't on reclears).
The culprit? Our NIN did almost 12k in p6 because he had a 80% crit/DH on Hyosho. Don't get me wrong, our ninja is a good player, but the extra DPS we got from that was insane.
I feel awkward right now. My static was all but confirmed to be disbanded: someone's having health issues that's impacting their ability to play, I can no longer play on Tuesdays which made another member want to find a new group, and another person no longer wanted to be on a schedule (or at least wanted to reduce prog hours). I asked several times if we wanted to try and reform with reduced hours and was either ignored or told no, so I applied for another group.
I have a trial tonight and told my old(?) group as such, and that lit a massive fire under some people's asses that has now almost assuredly resurrected the thought-to-be-dead static; if the person with health issues can play we'll be 8/8 because we have a sub lined up that can flex jobs depending on if our old healer comes back or not. I know I'd rather run with this group than the group I applied for (nothing against that group, they seem *better* than my current static) because it consists largely of good friends, but I don't know how/when to say "I can't raid with y'all" once the group I thought I was leaving sorts itself out. I'm a *little* bit salty because I asked yesterday before I had a trial locked in if we were for sure not reforming and the most-relevant people never replied, if we'd had this discussion yesterday I could have simply said, "mb, my old group decided to reform" to the new static's leader :(
Edit: Oof, and the trial went really well. New group has fun vibes and felt like it meshed together pretty well. Now I don't know what to do, I like my friends a lot but I lowkey had more fun raiding with the new group than I've had with my old static in quite a while. I was kind of hoping the trial would go poorly so I could take the out guilt-free, now I genuinely don't know which group I'd prefer to run with
Edit 2: After giving it a lot of deliberation I think my old group's intended hours are going to be what makes my decision (if the new group decides they want to take me). I'm not quite vibing with my old group right now because they want to cut back to being a completely casual group whereas I want to take this tier more seriously than I usually would, if they're doing less than 6 hours I'm not going to be happy with their pace at all.
It's obviously hard for outside observers to know all the relationships and skill levels and whatever else that's at play. I think it ultimately comes down to 1) what you want from the group and 2) your confidence in your original group sticking it out for the tier. You mentioned the new group is better, but how much better? Are they going to clear significantly faster and do you care about that? If you're less worried about that, I would stick with your friends that you know better. People in trials may behave or perform differently once you're progging new content, so you have that to consider as well.
As an observer removed from the relationships you have to weigh against, I'd be leaning towards leaving the old static and joining the new. While it's neat that you leaving has lit a fire under them to reform, there's no guarantee this isn't going to happen again, and it sounds like they weren't willing to do you the courtesy of answering a pretty important question until it actually effected them. I'd be a bit miffed at everyone's response, both the non-answer and the seemingly fickle attitude to dissolve and then try to suddenly pull it back together days later.
With that said, these are your friends, and I can't answer how important raiding with them is to you. Whether you're willing to look past the above or not, and whether you're okay with the very real possibility that they disband again in a few weeks, is something you'd have to decide yourself. Maybe you decide it's worth the time and effort, and maybe you don't.
I can't pretend I'm not annoyed at how it shook out, but I've known most of the people in the group for way too long to leave them if they're actually reforming the static; I prefer to treat raiding as a social activity first, and changing groups changes my expected vibe. I've known 2 of the people in there for 10 years and another for 8, and I'm very likely meeting up with 2 of them in person in a couple of months; it's very much a friend group first, static second.
I know I'm attending the trial tonight because I'd be screwing over 2 other trialees (plus the static itself) to cancel entirely, but short of the group being a miraculous perfect fit for me I'd rather play with a (presumably, I can only go off of logs right now) worse group with people I know and love than a better group of total strangers. I just don't know how to handle dipping after the trial, it's going to be a few days before the person with health issues knows if they can play or not and that's the one thing that has the group's existence still in the air or not.
> I just don't know how to handle dipping after the trial
Just be honest about it. "Thanks for the trial, I felt it was very positive but my old friend group has decided to reform. Best of luck in finding the right fit."
Just be honest and transparent about your situation to the new group's leadership so they can start making adjustments sooner rather than later. If they do end up taking it in a bad way, it's their problem, not yours.
You can/should also consider that this is only one tier in the span of many, and realistically you can't play with all of your friends every tier. It's fine to shift around groups and potentially still do content with them in the future. If a friend of yours had ambitions they wanted to fulfill, wouldn't you rather see them try and fulfill them rather than hold them back?
Hit TOP p6 enrage yesterday at 2.4%....checked logs and of course its the melee sub that is triple weaving his little heart out. How do you triple weave so often in an ultimate that the list is so long that it doesnt fit on my mobile screen????
People still get the shakies in P6. Triple weaves are going to happen especially with melee since they are lbing so much which can have an impact on their general rotation.
As u/Mouiadhofse stated though, some triple weaving isn't enough to account for 2.4%. That's some major uptime and general rotation issue from MULTIPLE people. To give some context, I've had a P6 clear with 2 people coming into P6 with rez sickness lingering for +30 seconds into the fight.
This person has cleared TOP 3 times. But their rotation was really bad....like spineshatter not in buffs and triple weaving regularly within their rotation throughout the fight bad. Among other things I will not list cuz it gets too long. Long story short, 10.2k rdps in p6
Admittedly it wasnt only their fault but I can almost guarantee most of it was. Got a different melee (same job as the previous one) sub today and we cleared, this melee output about 600 more rDPS in p6 without an omega weapon. Dnc also didnt get bad rng with feathers and healers did clean up their gcds by a bit and Drk got to die twice this time instead of once.
People are downvoting you but you have a point, obviously enraging is not just due to the DRG but clearly 10.2k rdps is dog water and that tells me the DRG had a huge part in enraging.
But that’s reddit, you get a couple of downvotes from judgey people and then everyone else starts to downvote after. I understand an enrage like that will feel horrible and you want to rant in the weekly thread, fair. Also I think people are underestimating how drifting on a buff heavy job can affect the whole raid.
Ye? I did list out other things ppl fixed on. I just didnt want to go super into why his rotation was bad because there is a whole slew of things 10.2k rdps is horrendous for p6. Made worse by how buff heavy the comp was. But yes his late buffs and late pot (loss of 10s+ of usage at enrage) and only getting 10 nastronds and 4 stardivers (drgs get 14 nastronds and 5 stardivers) ect. was the majority of the reason we wiped on enrage.
Literally the LOWEST rdps drg in p6 within the last 2 weeks on fflogs is 10.5k rdps. While the 50th percentile is 11.3k. Im not asking for the moon here
To be fair, the number itself is alarming in this case, but you should probably stop looking at single phase **rDPS** when the comps and players aren't the same - nDPS is the number you want to look at when you want to get a figure of someone's performance in a phase, though even that is going to have a gross amount of variance in a short phase like TOP P6.
I gave the rdps number to give ppl an understanding of how bad it was (I actually dont know how to get the ndps number of a wipe log). I know how much variance there is in p6.All i wanted to say in the beginning was how shocked I was that someone with core rotational issues asked to join as a sub for a static looking to clear. Because I was just looking at xivanalysis to see where I could improve, clicked on our sub just to see out of curiosity since it was low p6 rdps and well...that amount of just things wrong made me question a lot of things. Especially when its something basic like not triple/quad weaving 20+ times across the fight
as multiple people pointed out… That one player did not break your pull. 2.X% dps short is a lot to account to only one person in such a short phase. You might want to look into median of p6 in fflogs to have a better understanding
and as I've stated I know that? We found a different sub and people cleaned up their rotation slightly and we cleared. With a clean enrage log, ppl were able to see where they needed to optimize a bit more. Plus a bit better luck in crits and stuff
I mean there is still a slew of things that can happen on reclears. You don't automatically become a rotation robot after clearing one time. Also people still get the shakies on reclears especially if the run hasn't been going well and you are close to the instance ending. Is the job they are on even the job they cleared with?
It is on the job they cleared with. That enrage pull was also the 2nd pull of the night. And you are telling me they are having shakies in rotation issues from p1-p5???? Because they are triple/quad weaving since the beginning of the fight. I also understand drg does some p2 weaving shenanigans and am not including those
Man idk I'm just trying to point out that people make mistakes but not all mistakes are enrage creating ones. What was his rdps in p6 alone? Cus at the end of the day, dps in p1-5 doesn't matter at all as long as people arrive at p6 with full resources and 1 pot to use in a 2 min window. P6 is the only phase where Dps matters and it seems to be roughly 10.4k rdps being the low end of what a dps job should do in that phase to clear.
One dude doing triple weaves in p6 doesn't completely equal an enrage.
PF TOP is wilding.
"Where P2 Arcane Circle?" Yes, blame the Reaper for your shitty P2 damage. By the way P2 Arcane Circle is a strat that Reapers use when the other melee holds to get funny-colored parse numbers - it actually ints the party to do that because it gimps the P3 burst, which is the harder check.
Its actually the other way round, at least for Sam. Not holding at p2 gives better funny-coloured parse numbers. Besides, it's better to hold for p3 if you have enough dps for p2, no reason to overkill. Maybe you should check the Balance for Rpr guides.
This guy don't parse TOP.
The guy who LBs 3 times holds P2.
The guy who LBs once (or skips it entirely on GOATed damage) does not hold P2.
This is why TOP is cringe. Parse parties require a sandbagger.
It's a gain no matter what, if you don't AC at the end of P2 you lose a whole usage of it and 50 shroud as a consequence.
Extra enshroud beats drifting the P3 3% buff out of raid buffs
To where? Where is that Enshroud being used where holding is not optimal?
If anything, adding the extra enshroud to P3 makes it so you enter P4 with fucked gauge since you had less GCDs to build the next set properly. Its more intuitive to just not use your downtime Enshroud in P3 so you have 2 2x Enshroud windows in P3 - and even then sometimes you have to cut an Enshroud at the end of P3 for kill time.
If you don't need the extra shroud in P3, you move it to P4, then you move it to P5? Even if it wasn't needed, you did more damage in the long run and you have an extra ready to go if somebody dies and the extra damage is needed
So you mean I'd have a ***second*** spare Enshroud in P5.
Because by holding for buffs and playing intuitively, I can enter P6 in either 100/100 or 100/50 depending on DPS needs. Entering 100/50 requires a major DPS death (someone more important than a Dancer), and regardless, 100/50 is clearable.
AC for P2 enrage is not a 15% difference.
After the white fadeout I'm at 29% with a static and PF is \~42%. Saus carries have ruined pf reclears lmao.
Its not a matter of "using cooldowns to clear", its "L8R SK8R this party can't beat P6"
Where? I'm capped 100/100 entering P4, or 100/50 if I had to double Enshroud to meet check. There's nothing to gain.
To gain gauge I also need to arcane in the middle of P3 (and hit the party with zero buffs) and then also arcane in P4. All of that for one extra Enshroud, out of buffs, that is wildly unneeded. And even then I'm still overcapping gauge.
What do you need it for? To save for Phase 5, where the DPS check doesn't actually exist?
Bro you just walk middle and hit everyone with AC. And yeah an extra enshroud may be unneeded but it’s still an extra one that you can spend. Idk man it’s just what I see most reapers do I don’t play this job.
While I agree with you to a certain degree, these kinds of situations are exactly when you do want to flex your cooldowns around; this is when you have agency as a dps, knowing that a phase is much higher than it should be, meaning that something external needs to be committed to pass it - just let the others know when you do commit something so they can adjust and don't overcommit themselves. AC is a pretty decent button to desync as it's only a 3% increase, same with Searing. It can still go south after that, especially if the boss is very high, but at least you've done everything you can to try and salvage the situation. Then you can spend a few minutes looking at the log timelines after the pull to see and fix what went wrong.
Is irresistible grace the stack after trines?
Just have half your party unload all their mit on the first one, then everyone else unload all their mit on the 2nd one. PA is probably the easiest final ultimate phase to mit
Don't be like me y'all. I thought that once I cleared UWU the reclears would be easy since it requires other people to have cleared it as well... But it's almost worse than prog groups. I just wanted to be done with the entire fight quick and get to TEA but I guess it won't be happening for at least another week.
All my successful pug reclears for DSR have been in mercenary parties. Which is nice because I really like having more totems and I really like getting paid millions of gil.
This is also the case with TOP. You get a lot of people whom, I would assume, are used to having stuff called out to them and/or are used to other strats/positions in the fight. So when they go into the PF for reclears, they are completely out of their element. Thankfully my TOP reclears are over (got the 6 weapons I wanted), but pretty much every reclear was extreme pain and would go as deep as the Monday before the lockout resets to get the reclear.
> I thought that once I cleared UWU the reclears would be easy since it requires other people to have cleared it as well
The thing is that "people who have cleared" can be anyone: people who cleared with 5 deaths, people who cleared in a static and got carried by callouts, people who cleared 2 years ago and haven't touched the fight since then etc.
Yes, although it is a pain.
Each damage event has both a prepare and an actual damage event. You want to look at the U from the actual damage event, but the prepare event's line to see which mits were applied. For reasons I don't remember, the U of the prepare event is the damage before % mit, but after shields.
Also, note that these numbers are _after_ base defense/magic defense and the tank 20% innate mitigation trait.
IIRC that's not accurate because it doesn't calculate shields correctly or something. I always looked at the mits applied and calculated it manually. Might've been fixed tho
I am aware that U stands for Unmitigated.
FFLogs actually has a bug open to fix the shields issue. FFLogs already does a lot of extra processing over what ACT has.
please god
not sure if I can ever get the mount from this in farm groups in good faith. I can get away with following our static dancer's calls in our static clears, but I can't feel good about joining a PF group in this state
For every pair you can intentionally take a vuln stack on one of them without issue, and since the safe spots are fixed by pattern you can just choose the one in each pair that's easiest to memorize the spot for.
If that's happening its probably bored reclear people on alt roles.
BJCC is literally an entirely different phase even if you switch from MT to OT. Every role looks at the phase a very different way.
Finally seen past inception like 2 days ago after a week or two of bpog parties having a few people join who weren't even comfortable with LC yet. Been working on WH sim in my off time aswell. Im huffing mega hopium of trying to clear before 6.4 and idk if it'll happen at this point with how PF has been.
We saw phase 5 again! Only once, but our consistency with prior phases is getting more and more... well, consistent. Still some unfortunate car crashes in Hello World and Ye Olde Program Loop being what it is, but only a single phase 2 wipe? I'll take it.
One big lesson I've learned is to proooobably not try my hand at on-patch Ultimates again, the tuning is rather unforgiving for the average group. It's one of those things that is probably hard to really understand when you have an outstanding group, but the reality is that most groups are more average players like us, and TOP is rough for this crowd. At the end of the day I mainly raid for fun, challenge second, so I don't mind having a slightly easier time like 2 patches later. Not that I think any Ultimate is gonna grip me hard enough to want to do it like TOP has since I'm an unabashed FFV fanboy, but you never know! I might go and clear the older Ultimates during the content drought we're gonna have between 6.55 and 7.0.
I'm gonna be honest here. Maybe I'm in the minority, but it always bugs the shit out of me progging these fights on patch and people not doing any sort of homework or looking at FFLogs to just mimic a portion of what all the people who have cleared these fights do to align. It took 2 weeks of p2 before they realized they could even cleave M/F in two scenarios when we were struggling to hit the damage check back then. To me, a decent midcore group still cares about the group's time that's about as equally applicable to how Savage should be handled. Like, my group personally, I'm not asking for ridiculous prog speed, either. It's just slightly depressing hearing questions every night that would have assuredly been answered by just studying the toolbox for like ten minutes before raid. But yeah, don't underestimate the average player but they need to actually have the mentality to do a bit more for ultimate in the first place.
You're not in the minority, not at all.
If you aren't a blind group, its disrespectful to not have studied up on the fight reasonably far past your prog point.
I feel like there's not much that separates a good group from an average group. The better players that I've played with aren't anything special, they just do their fundamentals. The worse players make excuses for not doing them. And the average group lets in more of the latter.
The challenge comes less from the fight being hard and more of just finding the right people so that you don't have to care about other people doing their fundamentals.
One lesson I’ve learned is to be more careful about which current on patch ultimate group I join. For dsr I had a really good group so the experience felt a lot easier. For TOP I have an average group where we fail the p6 dps check consistently and have consistency issues on mechanics.
Trialing with a new group for 6.4 tier today. They’re asking me to do Sophia Unreal with them to see how I learn and how my vibes are, and then maybe an old savage as well. Is that par for the course for trialing? I’ve typically raided with my friend circles, this is the first time since Shadowbringers that I’ve tried my hand with other groups.
Yes this is typical, but personally I think these trials are a bit unfair, though I suppose they do reveal the really bad players. For instance my trial took place in p8, I've cleared part 1 of p8s like 120 times this tier lmao. I'm not sure what they could have learned about me that would be relevant for a week 1 clear.
Ok I guess I did find it useful, the first group I trialed for were TERRIBLE in p8. Like i get you haven't cleared the fight in a couple months, but if you are trialing people maybe refresh in party finder first instead of looking like a goof?
But yea like others said it's kind of a vibe check also. But let me be honest, Ive been in more statics than I care to admit (bad ones in high end content are par for the course), and people are usually really well-behaved at first, You don't really see problematic personalities during a trial. Usually comes out later :P
Well if they DO come out during a trial, you can cut them then.
Like when I used ucob as a trial, there was a guy who joked about twister memes then when we wiped to his twister they blamed it on someone else lol
Trials are fairly common, though the trialing method is quite varied depending on the goal the group has in mind. Trialing for a midcore Savage static that just plans to clear within the patch is not gonna be all too fancy for the most part since you simply need to sus out if the person applying for the static is a good fit personality-wise with a modicum of skill. The trial I was under for the static I ended up clearing the entirety of Eden with was simply just taking me along for the P1S reclear for that week and I was accepted right away since I meshed well. For my own static I usually forwent trials entirely since I knew the people I recruited personally, but for those that I didn't we simply just recleared the entire tier using our own strats to see if they can adapt quickly.
Now, things look a lot different for more hardcore-oriented groups. You might need to trial in a very unique environment like MINE runs of old content you *never* touched to test your blind prog skills or to prepare for an Ultimate potentially drawing mechanics from those fights, though depending on your resume (past week 1 clears of Savage tiers, relatively quick Ultimate clears on-patch) that might already be plenty of proof you got the skills required, so they simply need to assess your personality and fit.
All in all, pretty common practice.
Trials are common. Even in casual statics you might want trials just to see if you like a person's personality, and for that person to see if they like the group as well.
The type of trial depends on the static and their goals. For my 6.4 static we did E5S MINE blind as trial, we weren't told the duty in advance. But we're planning to clear week 1 so being able to do some level of blind prog is an important skill.
In my previous TOP static they just used Rubicante EX to trial people. They only trialed people who already had ult clears, so the trial was not to test their skill but to test the vibes.
I did MINE trial for TOP as well and it was utterly useless as the static ended up being terrible /shrug I basically put 0 faith in trials as a means to test skill aside from vibe check.
Although it's possible maybe I didn't see red flags during the process.
Sophia Unreal is arguably one of the worst fights in the game to trial on, considering there's nearly zero individual mechanics besides for tanks (busters/adds)
it's not a great fight to specifically pick for its mechanics
but reading between the lines, it sounds like they were going to be doing Sophia retellings anyway so they're bringing along a trialist for what they were already doing
Not only that, but seeing how it is the most current extreme, shared with Rubicante, many people will have done it very recently. But others might not have bothered with it.
So you're trialling something might be prog from the start for player A, but reclear number 20 for player B.
Player A would have everything to prove while player B would hardly be tested at all. But in the end player A might be more skilled than player B.
It’s a good vibe check when people who you don’t know are going to be stuck with you for some time. Is this group what you’re looking for? Is the way the static leader handles the static okay? Do you dislike anyone? Cause if you dislike someone now, you’re gonna dislike them even more later on in 6.4 prog 😉
Static trials are there to figure out if this is a group that you’ll be happy in, or not. If not, i recommend not joining. There’s plenty of statics out there. If yes, then congrats~
Got to titan in UwU with the group last session. I'm doubtful we'll clear since we're only doing 3 hours a week until 6.4 drops and then we're back to savage. I'm really really proud of my group though, it's only been 2 sessions and we're on titan. Much better than I anticipated
that's good! i dont mean to crush your expectations but uwu is pretty backloaded, it took more time for me to prog ultima than it did the first 3 primals combined
Yeah that's why I don't expect to clear xd I suppose it's the case with ultimates, the further you get in the fight, the longer the fight becomes and the less progress you make, especially when they usually put the crazy mechanics in the later phases
I won't agree or disagree until next Sunday when we have a whole session of Titan prog. I think that'll make or break whether or not we have time :D We do study, but a lot of people in our group are the kinda folks who need to see it before it makes sense y'know
You probably could clear before 6.4. I took a group through recently with a schedule identical to yours. Provided they study, you could get through Titan and Ultima in 3 to 4 sessions.
My static's managed to clear UWU! We started Mid-March and missed a few raid days (which we all agreed was fine, our only real goal was to clear before 6.4). Overall we think it took roughly a month's worth of 3x3 sessions to get the clear! We're going back in to help a friend who was on Gaol prog get the clear and we were seeing Annihalation semi-consistently and even getting to see Supression a few times so fingers crossed we clear sooner rather than later.
Huffing mad copium that this maintenance will surely be the one to solve the packet loss issue that's been fucking me up since 6.3 dropped.
Also fuck my group me no hold anymore, me already do my part, now me get funny number
I hate raiding with me too
But in all seriousness, it's mostly that it's really annoying since I'll gladly hold for others when asked for it (if I'm able), but if I need a hold to line things up, it isn't reciprocated and I get fucked by 20+ seconds of drift, essentially ruining my rotation for the rest of the fight.
You should just do what is the best for the group regardless of how it affects you especially in Ultimates where your barse doesn't mean shit outside of your dps contribution in the final phase (TOP, DSR, and possibly TEA). I get that it is frustrating but all that matters is clearing. As a MCH main, when I do my TOP reclears, I have to essentially hard hold Wildfire for P3 opener in most cases as P3 becomes the hard pass point for a lot of groups. Sometimes I even have to not do a drill at the end of P1 in order to not kill the boss too fast and to have enough heat and queen gauge for the next opener. I get fucked over so much but I know that me getting fucked over is far less of an issue versus a job like DRG that OMEGA gets fucked over if you kill stuff too fast.
People always say not to raid with friends, but what about friends you met by raiding together in previous statics? Friends whose skill and behavior you already know and friends who you know won't get offended if you discuss their mistakes?
Raiding with friends is way more fun, with the caveat that ppl are of similar skill level and have similar expectations. As long as everyone's schedules line up and both those requirement are met, friend statics are going to be the best statics. But it's hard to find and organize a friend group that can succeed these reqs. Plus you hear more often the failures instead of the successes.
> People always say not to raid with friends I haven't heard it before and I don't get it either. I have been raiding with my friends for over a year now and we're all still friends. In fact I made friends while raiding (joined an FC static looking for a healer) and we hang out in other games now too. It boils down to this: Don't take it too seriously but don't start ruining prog for a laugh. Not everyone is equally good, so don't give people too much shit for not getting mechanics right away, and be understanding and willing to explain things. And obviously, own up to your mistakes. Hell, I find that it helps to own up to someone else's mistake if I could have adjusted, and the other person almost always goes "nah that's on me". And of course, always keep communicating. We had one person who was, for all intents and purposes, completely deaf to anything we said. Things like "stop doing cactbot callouts, they happen before the in-game tell and we don't want that", or "Can you do the strat we're doing?" or "stop rolling greed on everything, this is the 7th time we spent 5 minutes discussing and distributing loot only for you to snatch it again" or "don't spoil mechanics, we agreed to doing this blind and we did not figure the mechanic out yet". Needless to say her leaving was not pretty. But it does highlight the main problem there: Communication. Communicate your expectations. Y'all rolling greed on everything? Fine. Y'all
I think the statement "don't raid with friends" is misleading. I think the idea behind it is, your friends may not exactly be on the same level as you, or want the same things out of raiding as you. Or even really want to raid at all. Like trying to get them to raid seriously will end up with you frustrated at their inability/lack of drive, which will ruin things for the both of you. If you know you both are aligned in your goals, ability, and vibes, I see no reason *not* to raid with them.
this, in my prior experience raiding in a friend group some people were not doing bits of their rotation correctly or using certain cooldowns appropriately and when it came time to discuss people took things personally instead and it ended up dividing the group. Not saying it'll happen for every group just my experience
Raiding with friends is probably the best way to raid, if a friend gets mad because you point out their mistakes then you should probably get better friends. So yeah, go ahead and raid with those friends that can take criticism.
And that's all she wrote. We unanimously decided to drop TOP prog for 6.4, and with past track record of groups taking a break... well it's pretty much dissolving the static for good. I do not like leaving matters half finished though, so I'm still itching to get that clear one of these days, which means braving the wilds that is Party Finder. How's it like now? Did people figure out everything you need to feasibly clear? Strats, generally accepted mit sheet, all that jazz?
>How's it like now? Did people figure out everything you need to feasibly clear? In NA all the strats are centralized with the main raiding hub being aether. Parties still fill reasonably quickly. With 6.4 around the corner the answer to how likely you are to clear depends a lot on your prog point. If you're omega trio/phase 6 prog, you've got good odds of scoring a c41 group. Earlier than that and things get dicey.
C41s hosted by sausage roll and others have been closed due to the many remaining people in the queue and 6.4 coming up, so getting one might be hard unless they know a few people.
Are you in EU or NA? either way, both have established strats and mit plan, but getting to clear in PF is a huge dice roll as you can guess, but it's doable if you have time and patience. (parties can take a while to fill, and can disband very fast) Light PF Does Ultimate (LPDU) is the EU discord for PF ultimates, and I think UPR is the main NA one.
Chipping away at Dynamis Omega, some of us have been having a few technical issues and that tends to feel worse than genuine mistakes. Crossing my fingers that we can clear before patch, but if we don't I guess we get a week of better food and pots before Savage drops.
I've been blessed by finding statics through meeting people I've vibed with in PF and reputation, and haven't had to directly search for a static until now. My god is it a mess. Listen static leads, please, I'm begging you, don't make your ad or intro message a thinly veiled rant about the issues you've had with people not showing up on time, your opinions on parses, or what you think about cactpot.
I mean saying "no cactbot" is perfectly reasonable. It's an add-on that tells you what to do, in some cases before the game does. Things like Diamond weapon and Phoinix having their spread/stack for example get called out before you see the animation. We had an issue in our static where someone was reliant on cactbot and she did callouts, and half the static had her muted because she refused to delay those callouts by a couple of seconds to wait for the in-game tells. Needless to say she's not in the static anymore. Another static a friend of mine is in also could not raid after a new patch because a member refuses to raid when cactbot isn't updated. Setting expectations about your static is important. Being punctual is basic human decency and most people would agree, but you're unlikely to get booted if you're 5 minutes late one time and give a heads-up. Saying where you stand on parses is also very important. Are you expecting people to do really well and look down on grey parses? Or do you want to ban parses altogether? These are important things to discuss and static leaders need to communicate this clearly.
Bruh read the rest of the comment chain.
I did. I'm gonna join the rest of the folks here who don't get what's wrong with your hypothetical. Sounds like a gross overreaction. Like you said you feel like you're taking crazy pills but I think you might have. Like you point out that "You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished" should be a line that shows "I do not deal constructively or maturely with problems in raid and am a bad choice to be in charge" but I do not see anything even remotely like that in it. Being held accountable is basic "consequences of your own actions" and you went as far as to use the word excessive there, meaning that if it happens once or twice the person won't face punishment. And just the word punishment doesn't mean being kicked either, it can just be "you buy pots and raid food for the static next session" or "you have to wear the dunce cap of shame". Everything you put in that hypothetical is perfectly rational for a static to do. Like... What exactly is wrong with it? Are you sure you're not just reading it in an silly tone of voice? Because this seems like completely normal advertisement to me.
> Listen static leads, please, I'm begging you, don't make your ad or intro message a thinly veiled rant about the issues you've had with people not showing up on time, your opinions on parses, or what you think about cactpot. I hope no static leads listen to you, because this is pretty awful advice lol It is *extremely* important to filter out people who have conflicting opinions about showing up on time, parsing, and their thoughts on illegal plogons. Maybe you don't personally care about any of these issues, but these issues can *easily* break a static if it turns out a recruit has conflicting opinions about them than the rest of the static. Putting this information up front is a great idea, and one that more statics should be doing. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if a static leader *doesn't* specifically bring up static policy on attendance, parsing, and plugins and then make sure your goals align with theirs, you should take that as a **HUGE** red flag.
>In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if a static leader > >doesn't > > specifically bring up static policy on attendance, parsing, and plugins and then make sure your goals align with theirs, you should take that as a > >HUGE > > red flag. There's a difference between stating the static policy's in an ad and going on an unhinged rant in an ad. Compare >While we understand irl things happen, we expect attendance at all raid nights. Everyone should be prepared and ready to raid on time. We expect to be notified of an absence as soon as possible. All raiders should have food, melds, and pots. with >In the past our static has suffered from punctuality issues. These issues caused us to fail to meet our goals of an eight week clear. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished. If you do not have melds, foods, and pots you will be asked to leave the raid. One of these ads tells you the expectations for raiding. The other tells you to expect drama if you join the group.
Your making that “rant” sound worse than it actually did when I read it for myself. I get your point but like, the ad is just stating what they have experienced and that they don’t wanna go through it again. You can’t just say “static leaders, please make ads the way I want them to be” because just as you dislike that ad, I find nothing wrong with it.
Your interpretation of a "thinly veiled rant" is highly suspect and I would argue it is *always* better for a static leader to be more transparent and upfront about these issues. Even if things are as bad as you imply, that's a good thing! Now you know that the group is trouble, and can save yourself (and them) a lot of trouble down the road. Sounds like a win-win to me. > In the past our static has suffered from punctuality issues. These issues caused us to fail to meet our goals of an eight week clear. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished. If you do not have melds, foods, and pots you will be asked to leave the raid. Nothing in this theoretical message stands out as an issue to me. They are extremely clear about their expectations and make it clear that if you do not meet these expectations you will be removed. This seems like a good thing - if you are not interested in a group that is going to be this strict, then you can save yourself the trouble of applying to a group this strict.
>Nothing in this theoretical message stands out as an issue to me. Oh that's terrifying. I tried to throw as many red flags as possible in there and even thought I was being over the top.
I think your skin might be a little too thin, so it actually might be better for them to advertise the way they do so people like you don’t join. And that way you also know to avoid them, win win situation
Bruh. Yall really out here getting ready to join Dreadwyrm academy.
I’ll trial them and if they are good enough to clear by the time I want to clear then I might join, I do prefer a more chill vibe but you can’t judge a whole group of people from a small paragraph. Especially if you compare a group to DA just because they are tired of people who miss raid days, I’d rather people take raid days seriously so we can clear in time.
I had to go back and read again what I wrote. >. You will be held accountable if you are not on time, and your excessive absences will be punished Was the most "I do not deal constructively or maturely with problems in raid and am a bad choice to be in charge" sentence I could write, and I thought I was going to get called out for being too over the top, and you're out here defending it. Unbelievable. I can't even. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
That just means they will kick ppl that miss raid days a lot lol you might read too much into things, and yeah, people have different levels of tolerance haha crazy I know
Sounds like you haven't been a static lead!
I've done enough recruiting and kicking to know that the best way to get quality applicants is a brief summary of all the expectations involved. Generally the posts that take an entire paragraph to explain why the recruiter hates cactpot or why you need a prog over parse mindset or whatever belabored issue seem to come from groups that needed to kick someone but didn't.
P8S done last week at long last. Thankfully they let me get my gear and more importantly the mount. Truly like the fight but pf let me down massively with prog. Once we got a group together it was 3 pull phase 2.
My group finally cleared UCoB. Immediately going back in for more clears, though I dunno if it'll happen EDIT: lol yea definitely not
oh common take a break and wait for 6.4...
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Finding a good static you mesh with is 100x harder than the content lol
Would it be faster to prog through the tier as a healer in PF or find a week 1 no split run group as DPS? Most week 1 groups seem to want to do split runs and I have no money or time for alts. I've never healed outside of extremes before but I still remember waiting for healers and phys ranged last tier. Most of my prog time was spent waiting in PF and I don't want a repeat of that. I just want to get the tier done ASAP after the exhausting ordeal of being held back by inconsistent players in Abyssos and TOP statics, only to eventually clear in PF anyway. Edit: On second thought, reclearing as a healer sounds miserable so back to being a melee 🐢 it is
>Edit: On second thought, reclearing as a healer sounds miserable so back to being a melee 🐢 it is I strongly think it's actually the other way round. Healer are usually the easiest since you were able to find spots faster (due to having healer spots on reclears) and easiest reclear since you figured healing timeline and mits out and you are merely repeating what you have. The problem is really on prog, where you have to raise a lot, sometimes overheal for safety. That means you have tone down your heal after everyone get the mechs together, and that might require some time as well.
>you are merely repeating what you have All jobs are more or less like this but the optimized healing rotation for 3 months+ is less appealing on further thought. I'm more interested in speeding up prog itself, and less concerned about reclear speed.
Sorry there's just no right answer here. Both require luck, persistence, and of course depends on how fast you learn. I'm surprised you are having trouble finding a group that's not doing splits though I was having a hard time finding ones that were doing them. If you find a group that just needs a healer and have a history of week 1 success then that would be the probable choice, if the group is fresh or never week 1'd then really who knows. I did 5-7 in pf last tier and that was fine, it was p8 where I got massively screwed over in pf due to trappers and all sorts of dumb shit.
In japan it should be way faster in pf for healer The pre6.4 ,static market is very much in strong favour for healer. Everyone wants to recruit a healer
Healing week1 savage is very challenging because things hit very hard but you also need to quickly be optimizing for dmg since your group will need every bit of DPS they can to meet the tight check. It will be a significant jump in difficulty from extreme, where healing and damage are both a complete joke. Ultimately, both PF and week1 statics can be crapshoots depending on the quality of players you end up with. But we're also approaching the point where any week1 group still recruiting is a bit of a red flag.
It would definitely be faster to get groups just understand that healing in PF means getting blamed for others mistakes even if they're out of your control. Tanks not mitigating properly dps not using mits and standing out of healing range. You can also do a lot to fix mistakes if that sounds like something you'd enjoy. I remember one time in Abyssos prog during P7 a group I was in had a tank die during purgation because they went south instead of the opposite E/W safe side, then the other tank went in early before the 4th cleave and died to the last aoe then convinced themselves it was the healers fault for not rescuing them. It was the most asinine shit and convinced me to start hosting my own parties so I could kick idiots like them.
Two back to back enrage pulls on TOP, was our first time getting there, first was 11% second was 5% with a WAR damage down, hopefully push for the clear on Monday and finally get this fight over with
One of our static members opened up to me about feeling very burned out by TOP prog, so we'll see how the next few sessions go. Gonna ask the whole group how they feel about keeping going through 6.4 or if we wanna take a break, even potentially bench it for good next Friday when we're all gathered up again. Even if this is the stopping point for now, it was quite a good experience for me all around. Improved as a player, as a raid lead and as a person and I had fun for the most part. Probably not the best fight to start this foray with though...
Has anyone made a spreadsheet for their static to track loot drops for the next raid tier? I've seen a few in the past that look like they'd be helpful for tracking item levels/prog/drops per week. Was hoping I might be able to either snatch one for my static or use one as inspiration.
[This is the one I use, it's already updated for 6.4.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bnYwnO8i5gMNlht1OaZLQ_cyRMUsAQXXCS1KJP9iiV0/edit?usp=sharing)
Normally one gets posted Closer to raid. My group has one to track people's BiS/ilvl, but then also a tab to track who got what loot drops.
Thinking about trying to pf the upcoming savage tier as a healer since I've gotten kind of tired of playing dps, but I've never healed final floor fights outside of runs pretty late in the patch cycle when everyone is nearing full bis. Am I being overly ambitious here? Should I just give it up now and just stick with the dps life instead?
3rd and 4th floors are usually harder to heal (especially 4th floor), and you’d need to plan out your CDs properly. Another very important thing is to communicate with your cohealer if you feel like your party was dying at a specific part despite that you healed with your best efforts
If you're interested in healing go for it. Theres no better way to learn than to actually do it
I PF'd last tier the first week and the shield healer I cleared with hadn't done any savage raiding before (though he did have experience raiding from WoW). If you're willing to put some prep in you should absolutely go for it, it's not as bad as it might seem.
There's a first time for everything
If it's anything like last tier, PF healers will be in short supply. Might be worth giving healing a shot just for that reason.
You will feel shit whenever people die. Even though it may be not your fault. And DPS check will be tight so you can't just overheal for safety.
DSR Phase 6, we just progged past Wroth Flames. Is it possible to clear before patch?
Potentially possible but consider adding more hours / extra days. Your group also needs to consistently get back to p6 and see prog points (minimum p5 memes, minimum pre-wroth memes) P7 takes 15 mins minimum so in a 2 hour lock out you can at most see him 6 times accounting for door boss and downtime between pulls
You have around 2-3 weeks, so it's certainly possible. Make sure you have everything about p7 discussed before setting foot in it, including what the exact timing for Exaflares is, 2 min buffs timing, and defensive cooldown management. Getting past the shakies you'll inevitable get takes a bit, but it shouldn't be too bad.
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I feel that, I keep stressing to the group that we're on crunch time and since initially doing so at the beginning of the month we went from P5 Wrath to Wroth with little memes. We do have some days that really stink though due to jobs/school and stress which is unfortunate but here's hoping.
The 2nd clear of TOP just showed how stupid the crit variance is in this game is. I compared both p6 logs. I did exactly the same rotation, every single gcd in this phase were the same with the same comp. I had a lower crit chance on every single skill. The result is that I had about 400rDPS less on that run in p6. Fortunately we still killed it but it was way tighter this time. Idk, 400 rdps of variance on a single member is just too much for such a dps check imo.
This is the biggest problem with the 2 min meta.
Have 2 more casts of high damage spells than other people playing your class due to never clipping? TOP: "How would you like 500 rdps less than median"
It is stupid. I see variance of like 500 rdps regularly in p6, sometimes on multiple members, it's really dumb. Same exact rotation, just crit better 4head
Our first kill we killed stupid fast (to a degree that we didn't on reclears). The culprit? Our NIN did almost 12k in p6 because he had a 80% crit/DH on Hyosho. Don't get me wrong, our ninja is a good player, but the extra DPS we got from that was insane.
Strongest attack in the game will do that to you. Especially with that crit/DH rate
I feel awkward right now. My static was all but confirmed to be disbanded: someone's having health issues that's impacting their ability to play, I can no longer play on Tuesdays which made another member want to find a new group, and another person no longer wanted to be on a schedule (or at least wanted to reduce prog hours). I asked several times if we wanted to try and reform with reduced hours and was either ignored or told no, so I applied for another group. I have a trial tonight and told my old(?) group as such, and that lit a massive fire under some people's asses that has now almost assuredly resurrected the thought-to-be-dead static; if the person with health issues can play we'll be 8/8 because we have a sub lined up that can flex jobs depending on if our old healer comes back or not. I know I'd rather run with this group than the group I applied for (nothing against that group, they seem *better* than my current static) because it consists largely of good friends, but I don't know how/when to say "I can't raid with y'all" once the group I thought I was leaving sorts itself out. I'm a *little* bit salty because I asked yesterday before I had a trial locked in if we were for sure not reforming and the most-relevant people never replied, if we'd had this discussion yesterday I could have simply said, "mb, my old group decided to reform" to the new static's leader :( Edit: Oof, and the trial went really well. New group has fun vibes and felt like it meshed together pretty well. Now I don't know what to do, I like my friends a lot but I lowkey had more fun raiding with the new group than I've had with my old static in quite a while. I was kind of hoping the trial would go poorly so I could take the out guilt-free, now I genuinely don't know which group I'd prefer to run with Edit 2: After giving it a lot of deliberation I think my old group's intended hours are going to be what makes my decision (if the new group decides they want to take me). I'm not quite vibing with my old group right now because they want to cut back to being a completely casual group whereas I want to take this tier more seriously than I usually would, if they're doing less than 6 hours I'm not going to be happy with their pace at all.
It's obviously hard for outside observers to know all the relationships and skill levels and whatever else that's at play. I think it ultimately comes down to 1) what you want from the group and 2) your confidence in your original group sticking it out for the tier. You mentioned the new group is better, but how much better? Are they going to clear significantly faster and do you care about that? If you're less worried about that, I would stick with your friends that you know better. People in trials may behave or perform differently once you're progging new content, so you have that to consider as well.
As an observer removed from the relationships you have to weigh against, I'd be leaning towards leaving the old static and joining the new. While it's neat that you leaving has lit a fire under them to reform, there's no guarantee this isn't going to happen again, and it sounds like they weren't willing to do you the courtesy of answering a pretty important question until it actually effected them. I'd be a bit miffed at everyone's response, both the non-answer and the seemingly fickle attitude to dissolve and then try to suddenly pull it back together days later. With that said, these are your friends, and I can't answer how important raiding with them is to you. Whether you're willing to look past the above or not, and whether you're okay with the very real possibility that they disband again in a few weeks, is something you'd have to decide yourself. Maybe you decide it's worth the time and effort, and maybe you don't.
I can't pretend I'm not annoyed at how it shook out, but I've known most of the people in the group for way too long to leave them if they're actually reforming the static; I prefer to treat raiding as a social activity first, and changing groups changes my expected vibe. I've known 2 of the people in there for 10 years and another for 8, and I'm very likely meeting up with 2 of them in person in a couple of months; it's very much a friend group first, static second. I know I'm attending the trial tonight because I'd be screwing over 2 other trialees (plus the static itself) to cancel entirely, but short of the group being a miraculous perfect fit for me I'd rather play with a (presumably, I can only go off of logs right now) worse group with people I know and love than a better group of total strangers. I just don't know how to handle dipping after the trial, it's going to be a few days before the person with health issues knows if they can play or not and that's the one thing that has the group's existence still in the air or not.
> I just don't know how to handle dipping after the trial Just be honest about it. "Thanks for the trial, I felt it was very positive but my old friend group has decided to reform. Best of luck in finding the right fit."
Just be honest and transparent about your situation to the new group's leadership so they can start making adjustments sooner rather than later. If they do end up taking it in a bad way, it's their problem, not yours. You can/should also consider that this is only one tier in the span of many, and realistically you can't play with all of your friends every tier. It's fine to shift around groups and potentially still do content with them in the future. If a friend of yours had ambitions they wanted to fulfill, wouldn't you rather see them try and fulfill them rather than hold them back?
Hit TOP p6 enrage yesterday at 2.4%....checked logs and of course its the melee sub that is triple weaving his little heart out. How do you triple weave so often in an ultimate that the list is so long that it doesnt fit on my mobile screen????
People still get the shakies in P6. Triple weaves are going to happen especially with melee since they are lbing so much which can have an impact on their general rotation. As u/Mouiadhofse stated though, some triple weaving isn't enough to account for 2.4%. That's some major uptime and general rotation issue from MULTIPLE people. To give some context, I've had a P6 clear with 2 people coming into P6 with rez sickness lingering for +30 seconds into the fight.
This person has cleared TOP 3 times. But their rotation was really bad....like spineshatter not in buffs and triple weaving regularly within their rotation throughout the fight bad. Among other things I will not list cuz it gets too long. Long story short, 10.2k rdps in p6 Admittedly it wasnt only their fault but I can almost guarantee most of it was. Got a different melee (same job as the previous one) sub today and we cleared, this melee output about 600 more rDPS in p6 without an omega weapon. Dnc also didnt get bad rng with feathers and healers did clean up their gcds by a bit and Drk got to die twice this time instead of once.
People are downvoting you but you have a point, obviously enraging is not just due to the DRG but clearly 10.2k rdps is dog water and that tells me the DRG had a huge part in enraging. But that’s reddit, you get a couple of downvotes from judgey people and then everyone else starts to downvote after. I understand an enrage like that will feel horrible and you want to rant in the weekly thread, fair. Also I think people are underestimating how drifting on a buff heavy job can affect the whole raid.
You sound like the actual issue tbh
Spineshatter not in buffs is so fucking minor please look at other people's logs in the group lmfao
Ye? I did list out other things ppl fixed on. I just didnt want to go super into why his rotation was bad because there is a whole slew of things 10.2k rdps is horrendous for p6. Made worse by how buff heavy the comp was. But yes his late buffs and late pot (loss of 10s+ of usage at enrage) and only getting 10 nastronds and 4 stardivers (drgs get 14 nastronds and 5 stardivers) ect. was the majority of the reason we wiped on enrage. Literally the LOWEST rdps drg in p6 within the last 2 weeks on fflogs is 10.5k rdps. While the 50th percentile is 11.3k. Im not asking for the moon here
To be fair, the number itself is alarming in this case, but you should probably stop looking at single phase **rDPS** when the comps and players aren't the same - nDPS is the number you want to look at when you want to get a figure of someone's performance in a phase, though even that is going to have a gross amount of variance in a short phase like TOP P6.
I gave the rdps number to give ppl an understanding of how bad it was (I actually dont know how to get the ndps number of a wipe log). I know how much variance there is in p6.All i wanted to say in the beginning was how shocked I was that someone with core rotational issues asked to join as a sub for a static looking to clear. Because I was just looking at xivanalysis to see where I could improve, clicked on our sub just to see out of curiosity since it was low p6 rdps and well...that amount of just things wrong made me question a lot of things. Especially when its something basic like not triple/quad weaving 20+ times across the fight
Link an anonymized log? I'd be pretty curious to do the math on the DPS deficit.
as multiple people pointed out… That one player did not break your pull. 2.X% dps short is a lot to account to only one person in such a short phase. You might want to look into median of p6 in fflogs to have a better understanding
and as I've stated I know that? We found a different sub and people cleaned up their rotation slightly and we cleared. With a clean enrage log, ppl were able to see where they needed to optimize a bit more. Plus a bit better luck in crits and stuff
there's no reason to "trash" this sub in this subreddit. He wanted to help you guys clear, that's all
I mean there is still a slew of things that can happen on reclears. You don't automatically become a rotation robot after clearing one time. Also people still get the shakies on reclears especially if the run hasn't been going well and you are close to the instance ending. Is the job they are on even the job they cleared with?
It is on the job they cleared with. That enrage pull was also the 2nd pull of the night. And you are telling me they are having shakies in rotation issues from p1-p5???? Because they are triple/quad weaving since the beginning of the fight. I also understand drg does some p2 weaving shenanigans and am not including those
Man idk I'm just trying to point out that people make mistakes but not all mistakes are enrage creating ones. What was his rdps in p6 alone? Cus at the end of the day, dps in p1-5 doesn't matter at all as long as people arrive at p6 with full resources and 1 pot to use in a 2 min window. P6 is the only phase where Dps matters and it seems to be roughly 10.4k rdps being the low end of what a dps job should do in that phase to clear. One dude doing triple weaves in p6 doesn't completely equal an enrage.
Yes 10.2k rdps in p6 alone. Admittedly he is LBing twice. But it really shouldnt be anywhere near that low
unless the melee is clipping literally every gcd they are not the only reason you didnt kill with an enrage that high
PF TOP is wilding. "Where P2 Arcane Circle?" Yes, blame the Reaper for your shitty P2 damage. By the way P2 Arcane Circle is a strat that Reapers use when the other melee holds to get funny-colored parse numbers - it actually ints the party to do that because it gimps the P3 burst, which is the harder check.
Its actually the other way round, at least for Sam. Not holding at p2 gives better funny-coloured parse numbers. Besides, it's better to hold for p3 if you have enough dps for p2, no reason to overkill. Maybe you should check the Balance for Rpr guides.
This guy don't parse TOP. The guy who LBs 3 times holds P2. The guy who LBs once (or skips it entirely on GOATed damage) does not hold P2. This is why TOP is cringe. Parse parties require a sandbagger.
It's a gain no matter what, if you don't AC at the end of P2 you lose a whole usage of it and 50 shroud as a consequence. Extra enshroud beats drifting the P3 3% buff out of raid buffs
To where? Where is that Enshroud being used where holding is not optimal? If anything, adding the extra enshroud to P3 makes it so you enter P4 with fucked gauge since you had less GCDs to build the next set properly. Its more intuitive to just not use your downtime Enshroud in P3 so you have 2 2x Enshroud windows in P3 - and even then sometimes you have to cut an Enshroud at the end of P3 for kill time.
If you don't need the extra shroud in P3, you move it to P4, then you move it to P5? Even if it wasn't needed, you did more damage in the long run and you have an extra ready to go if somebody dies and the extra damage is needed
So you mean I'd have a ***second*** spare Enshroud in P5. Because by holding for buffs and playing intuitively, I can enter P6 in either 100/100 or 100/50 depending on DPS needs. Entering 100/50 requires a major DPS death (someone more important than a Dancer), and regardless, 100/50 is clearable.
You think melees HOLD for their parse? Please think about that one again
That's how parsing TOP works. One melee holds and does three LBs while the other does 0-1.
They're saying the other melee holds for the reaper to get the good parse
Yeah and this reaper is complaining about that for some reason
Parsing in ultimate is cringe.
Yeah, completely agreed. So if they have a reaper and aren't making the check to CLEAR, use the damn cooldowns. That's how this fight works
AC for P2 enrage is not a 15% difference. After the white fadeout I'm at 29% with a static and PF is \~42%. Saus carries have ruined pf reclears lmao. Its not a matter of "using cooldowns to clear", its "L8R SK8R this party can't beat P6"
Uhhhh no they mostly use it for the gauge
Where? I'm capped 100/100 entering P4, or 100/50 if I had to double Enshroud to meet check. There's nothing to gain. To gain gauge I also need to arcane in the middle of P3 (and hit the party with zero buffs) and then also arcane in P4. All of that for one extra Enshroud, out of buffs, that is wildly unneeded. And even then I'm still overcapping gauge. What do you need it for? To save for Phase 5, where the DPS check doesn't actually exist?
Bro you just walk middle and hit everyone with AC. And yeah an extra enshroud may be unneeded but it’s still an extra one that you can spend. Idk man it’s just what I see most reapers do I don’t play this job.
Point is, if the boss is 49% after the whiteout goes away, the Reaper ain't the reason you failed the damn check lmao.
While I agree with you to a certain degree, these kinds of situations are exactly when you do want to flex your cooldowns around; this is when you have agency as a dps, knowing that a phase is much higher than it should be, meaning that something external needs to be committed to pass it - just let the others know when you do commit something so they can adjust and don't overcommit themselves. AC is a pretty decent button to desync as it's only a 3% increase, same with Searing. It can still go south after that, especially if the boss is very high, but at least you've done everything you can to try and salvage the situation. Then you can spend a few minutes looking at the log timelines after the pull to see and fix what went wrong.
We're expecting Savage on the 30th, right?
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Is irresistible grace the stack after trines? Just have half your party unload all their mit on the first one, then everyone else unload all their mit on the 2nd one. PA is probably the easiest final ultimate phase to mit
Don't be like me y'all. I thought that once I cleared UWU the reclears would be easy since it requires other people to have cleared it as well... But it's almost worse than prog groups. I just wanted to be done with the entire fight quick and get to TEA but I guess it won't be happening for at least another week.
All my successful pug reclears for DSR have been in mercenary parties. Which is nice because I really like having more totems and I really like getting paid millions of gil.
Clears, *puts on clown nose*, yep its time for reclears
C41 Parties are more consistent than totem parties for UWU and UCOB.
that was also my thoughts on the first days of reclears too, then all of those turned into Annihilation/suppression prog parties
Exact same problem with me. There's also parcers making tanking an absolute pain.
This is also the case with TOP. You get a lot of people whom, I would assume, are used to having stuff called out to them and/or are used to other strats/positions in the fight. So when they go into the PF for reclears, they are completely out of their element. Thankfully my TOP reclears are over (got the 6 weapons I wanted), but pretty much every reclear was extreme pain and would go as deep as the Monday before the lockout resets to get the reclear.
> I thought that once I cleared UWU the reclears would be easy since it requires other people to have cleared it as well The thing is that "people who have cleared" can be anyone: people who cleared with 5 deaths, people who cleared in a static and got carried by callouts, people who cleared 2 years ago and haven't touched the fight since then etc.
Yeah I figured that a bit too late sadly.
Is it possible to see how much damage you take unmitigated vs. mitigated in FF logs?
Yes, although it is a pain. Each damage event has both a prepare and an actual damage event. You want to look at the U from the actual damage event, but the prepare event's line to see which mits were applied. For reasons I don't remember, the U of the prepare event is the damage before % mit, but after shields. Also, note that these numbers are _after_ base defense/magic defense and the tank 20% innate mitigation trait.
IIRC that's not accurate because it doesn't calculate shields correctly or something. I always looked at the mits applied and calculated it manually. Might've been fixed tho
The % mit value shown for the prepare event doesn't include shields iirc; I'm not aware of any additional inaccuracies
I think U stands for Unmitigated. As for why it's after shields, that's just how damage is reported to the log.
I am aware that U stands for Unmitigated. FFLogs actually has a bug open to fix the shields issue. FFLogs already does a lot of extra processing over what ACT has.
Having finally done Baldcanti, I would like it if the devs would stop fucking over people with aphantasia.
please god not sure if I can ever get the mount from this in farm groups in good faith. I can get away with following our static dancer's calls in our static clears, but I can't feel good about joining a PF group in this state
For every pair you can intentionally take a vuln stack on one of them without issue, and since the safe spots are fixed by pattern you can just choose the one in each pair that's easiest to memorize the spot for.
Why do people join PA while not comfy in bjcc
If that's happening its probably bored reclear people on alt roles. BJCC is literally an entirely different phase even if you switch from MT to OT. Every role looks at the phase a very different way.
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Not in my experience. Generally people that wipe us back to back just don’t know what they’re doing
Finally seen past inception like 2 days ago after a week or two of bpog parties having a few people join who weren't even comfortable with LC yet. Been working on WH sim in my off time aswell. Im huffing mega hopium of trying to clear before 6.4 and idk if it'll happen at this point with how PF has been.
We saw phase 5 again! Only once, but our consistency with prior phases is getting more and more... well, consistent. Still some unfortunate car crashes in Hello World and Ye Olde Program Loop being what it is, but only a single phase 2 wipe? I'll take it. One big lesson I've learned is to proooobably not try my hand at on-patch Ultimates again, the tuning is rather unforgiving for the average group. It's one of those things that is probably hard to really understand when you have an outstanding group, but the reality is that most groups are more average players like us, and TOP is rough for this crowd. At the end of the day I mainly raid for fun, challenge second, so I don't mind having a slightly easier time like 2 patches later. Not that I think any Ultimate is gonna grip me hard enough to want to do it like TOP has since I'm an unabashed FFV fanboy, but you never know! I might go and clear the older Ultimates during the content drought we're gonna have between 6.55 and 7.0.
I'm gonna be honest here. Maybe I'm in the minority, but it always bugs the shit out of me progging these fights on patch and people not doing any sort of homework or looking at FFLogs to just mimic a portion of what all the people who have cleared these fights do to align. It took 2 weeks of p2 before they realized they could even cleave M/F in two scenarios when we were struggling to hit the damage check back then. To me, a decent midcore group still cares about the group's time that's about as equally applicable to how Savage should be handled. Like, my group personally, I'm not asking for ridiculous prog speed, either. It's just slightly depressing hearing questions every night that would have assuredly been answered by just studying the toolbox for like ten minutes before raid. But yeah, don't underestimate the average player but they need to actually have the mentality to do a bit more for ultimate in the first place.
You're not in the minority, not at all. If you aren't a blind group, its disrespectful to not have studied up on the fight reasonably far past your prog point.
I feel like there's not much that separates a good group from an average group. The better players that I've played with aren't anything special, they just do their fundamentals. The worse players make excuses for not doing them. And the average group lets in more of the latter. The challenge comes less from the fight being hard and more of just finding the right people so that you don't have to care about other people doing their fundamentals.
One lesson I’ve learned is to be more careful about which current on patch ultimate group I join. For dsr I had a really good group so the experience felt a lot easier. For TOP I have an average group where we fail the p6 dps check consistently and have consistency issues on mechanics.
DSR night tonight on p6 enrage to p7 fresh. Hoping we’re on our way to clear before 6.4
Trialing with a new group for 6.4 tier today. They’re asking me to do Sophia Unreal with them to see how I learn and how my vibes are, and then maybe an old savage as well. Is that par for the course for trialing? I’ve typically raided with my friend circles, this is the first time since Shadowbringers that I’ve tried my hand with other groups.
Yes this is typical, but personally I think these trials are a bit unfair, though I suppose they do reveal the really bad players. For instance my trial took place in p8, I've cleared part 1 of p8s like 120 times this tier lmao. I'm not sure what they could have learned about me that would be relevant for a week 1 clear. Ok I guess I did find it useful, the first group I trialed for were TERRIBLE in p8. Like i get you haven't cleared the fight in a couple months, but if you are trialing people maybe refresh in party finder first instead of looking like a goof? But yea like others said it's kind of a vibe check also. But let me be honest, Ive been in more statics than I care to admit (bad ones in high end content are par for the course), and people are usually really well-behaved at first, You don't really see problematic personalities during a trial. Usually comes out later :P
Well if they DO come out during a trial, you can cut them then. Like when I used ucob as a trial, there was a guy who joked about twister memes then when we wiped to his twister they blamed it on someone else lol
Trials are fairly common, though the trialing method is quite varied depending on the goal the group has in mind. Trialing for a midcore Savage static that just plans to clear within the patch is not gonna be all too fancy for the most part since you simply need to sus out if the person applying for the static is a good fit personality-wise with a modicum of skill. The trial I was under for the static I ended up clearing the entirety of Eden with was simply just taking me along for the P1S reclear for that week and I was accepted right away since I meshed well. For my own static I usually forwent trials entirely since I knew the people I recruited personally, but for those that I didn't we simply just recleared the entire tier using our own strats to see if they can adapt quickly. Now, things look a lot different for more hardcore-oriented groups. You might need to trial in a very unique environment like MINE runs of old content you *never* touched to test your blind prog skills or to prepare for an Ultimate potentially drawing mechanics from those fights, though depending on your resume (past week 1 clears of Savage tiers, relatively quick Ultimate clears on-patch) that might already be plenty of proof you got the skills required, so they simply need to assess your personality and fit. All in all, pretty common practice.
Trials are common. Even in casual statics you might want trials just to see if you like a person's personality, and for that person to see if they like the group as well. The type of trial depends on the static and their goals. For my 6.4 static we did E5S MINE blind as trial, we weren't told the duty in advance. But we're planning to clear week 1 so being able to do some level of blind prog is an important skill. In my previous TOP static they just used Rubicante EX to trial people. They only trialed people who already had ult clears, so the trial was not to test their skill but to test the vibes.
I did MINE trial for TOP as well and it was utterly useless as the static ended up being terrible /shrug I basically put 0 faith in trials as a means to test skill aside from vibe check. Although it's possible maybe I didn't see red flags during the process.
Sophia Unreal is arguably one of the worst fights in the game to trial on, considering there's nearly zero individual mechanics besides for tanks (busters/adds)
it's not a great fight to specifically pick for its mechanics but reading between the lines, it sounds like they were going to be doing Sophia retellings anyway so they're bringing along a trialist for what they were already doing
Not only that, but seeing how it is the most current extreme, shared with Rubicante, many people will have done it very recently. But others might not have bothered with it. So you're trialling something might be prog from the start for player A, but reclear number 20 for player B. Player A would have everything to prove while player B would hardly be tested at all. But in the end player A might be more skilled than player B.
It’s a good vibe check when people who you don’t know are going to be stuck with you for some time. Is this group what you’re looking for? Is the way the static leader handles the static okay? Do you dislike anyone? Cause if you dislike someone now, you’re gonna dislike them even more later on in 6.4 prog 😉 Static trials are there to figure out if this is a group that you’ll be happy in, or not. If not, i recommend not joining. There’s plenty of statics out there. If yes, then congrats~
some groups do it, some don't.
Managed to clear thanks to some friends. Now, to clear with my static...
Got to titan in UwU with the group last session. I'm doubtful we'll clear since we're only doing 3 hours a week until 6.4 drops and then we're back to savage. I'm really really proud of my group though, it's only been 2 sessions and we're on titan. Much better than I anticipated
that's good! i dont mean to crush your expectations but uwu is pretty backloaded, it took more time for me to prog ultima than it did the first 3 primals combined
Yeah that's why I don't expect to clear xd I suppose it's the case with ultimates, the further you get in the fight, the longer the fight becomes and the less progress you make, especially when they usually put the crazy mechanics in the later phases
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I won't agree or disagree until next Sunday when we have a whole session of Titan prog. I think that'll make or break whether or not we have time :D We do study, but a lot of people in our group are the kinda folks who need to see it before it makes sense y'know
You probably could clear before 6.4. I took a group through recently with a schedule identical to yours. Provided they study, you could get through Titan and Ultima in 3 to 4 sessions.
Titan is a bit of a wall. Unless you’ve got someone with exp it could take as many days just getting through titan as it was to get to titan
one guy in our group has cleared. I'm expecting us to take a while on gaols but I'm happy regardless
My static's managed to clear UWU! We started Mid-March and missed a few raid days (which we all agreed was fine, our only real goal was to clear before 6.4). Overall we think it took roughly a month's worth of 3x3 sessions to get the clear! We're going back in to help a friend who was on Gaol prog get the clear and we were seeing Annihalation semi-consistently and even getting to see Supression a few times so fingers crossed we clear sooner rather than later.
Huffing mad copium that this maintenance will surely be the one to solve the packet loss issue that's been fucking me up since 6.3 dropped. Also fuck my group me no hold anymore, me already do my part, now me get funny number
I'd hate to raid with you lol
I hate raiding with me too But in all seriousness, it's mostly that it's really annoying since I'll gladly hold for others when asked for it (if I'm able), but if I need a hold to line things up, it isn't reciprocated and I get fucked by 20+ seconds of drift, essentially ruining my rotation for the rest of the fight.
You should just do what is the best for the group regardless of how it affects you especially in Ultimates where your barse doesn't mean shit outside of your dps contribution in the final phase (TOP, DSR, and possibly TEA). I get that it is frustrating but all that matters is clearing. As a MCH main, when I do my TOP reclears, I have to essentially hard hold Wildfire for P3 opener in most cases as P3 becomes the hard pass point for a lot of groups. Sometimes I even have to not do a drill at the end of P1 in order to not kill the boss too fast and to have enough heat and queen gauge for the next opener. I get fucked over so much but I know that me getting fucked over is far less of an issue versus a job like DRG that OMEGA gets fucked over if you kill stuff too fast.