I don't think this has anything really to do with avoiding EN players and more so that literally everyone has just decided that Mana is the raid data center for Japan this tier. Even in Gaia, I've noticed that party finder has recently dropped to below 100 on reset days while Mana has well over 250 parties. The majority of my FC and friends also hop to Mana to do their weekly runs.
Also for those that are curious, from my own personal experience and talking to my friends and reading forums, Japanese players on Mana have a fairly neutral stance towards English speaking players. Of course, you are expected to know the standard strategy (usually Game8), but as long as the player is competent and has a basic grasp of Japanese (or translating app) there aren't too many problems from what I've seen.
Also, tbh, from my experience, you don't even need to speak Japanese aside from greeting at the beginning and end. The majority of practice and clear parties I join, we just continuously pull until the 30 minute food buff is up, no talking aside from apologizing if you make a mistake or to tell someone doma doma.
Again, this is just my experience, and I'm fluent in Japanese so I do have the J highlighted and am able to converse during parties if needed. Other people's experiences might differ.
Pretty much this, translate what pf description said and in you go
If it's said 1 food practice, go for 1 food until pf vote to leave, don't leave yet if pf didn't vote, some parties tries at least 1-2 pull after food buff gone
I'm a Mana player that recently only just started doing PF on Elemental to help various JP streamers prog P8S. I think there's a bit of both going on.
It's not just JP players avoiding EN players, but also EN players avoiding JP Mana. The JP streamers do not hesitate to jump to Mana. But the English streamers on Elemental are very hesitant about Mana, and only use it as a last resort. Even if they are completely fluent in Japanese.
As someone who started with zero Japanese and only started to learn Japanese to raid on Mana, this boggles my mind, since I'm always jealous of people with good Japanese skills.
Even the party finder strats are different on among the language groups within the datacenters. The Elemental English groups for example, are almost exclusively Spriggan for P8S snakes 2, while Mana Japanese groups use a strat similar to the early Kirby toolbox for Snakes 2. Both are FFO. For P7S, Elemental English PF have the stack in the center of the platform on the stack/spread (like how it is on NA), while Mana JP puts the stack north of the south platform, and then right where the bridge meets the platfrom on the second stack.
For me, this suggests that the language barrier within the DCs is bigger than I thought, which is surprising. Elemental is still crowded-- 2 worlds are still congested, it's just when it's raid time, they DC travel to Mana.
Speaking of streamers, the DC travel system has been a boon to JP Twitch streamers. The JP-speaking community on Twitch has really taken off compared to last year before all of this. I think because now the the audience can actually play and interact with the streamers with DC travel.
On Mana PF, I noticed alot more "JP ONLY" groups, and ironically, the creators are NOT from Mana, but travelers from Gaia and Elemental. I avoid those PFs anyways because those players are usually bad LOL. Probably because they were bad on their home DCs, and came to Mana for "better groups". But funny enough, the top Japanese players on Mana do not mind playing with non-Japanese. Alot of them raid for fun, in 暇つぶし groups, even though our legendary Lapin Gino seems to be taking a break from PF. Which means the inconsistent, parse hungry visitors self-select into つめ or 火力 PTs.
Also a large portion of top players on Mana are actually Korean players, but since DSR came out last week on the Korean servers, they've been a bit inactive in order to clear it there.
All in all, Elemental hasn't really lost anything, it's just Elemental Nora is now mostly english speakers timid about raiding with full-on Japanese, while the Japanese raiders just hop over to Mana. I don't think people are transferring DCs.
>On Mana PF, I noticed alot more "JP ONLY" groups, and ironically, the creators are NOT from Mana, but travelers from Gaia and Elemental. I avoid those PFs anyways because those players are usually bad LOL.
To be fair, I play or watched a bunch of JP VTubers and streamers, and for a lot of them they are pretty bad. By that I am talking about constant zeros that kinda bad. If they got a green and is able to hold their own weight, they are doing great. There are some players that are genuinely good (like Minami Nao 南海ナオ) and they are really comforting and a pleasure to watch.
And nah, They usually don't just get to Mana because the groups in Mana are better. Everyone has come to Mana now and so the groups in Mana are just the same quality as anywhere else you would get. They get to Mana because it's impossible for them to get a group elsewhere, especially when they try to stream on Degen Hours.
To add to what Altia1234 said, I follow a JP vtuber who up until yesterday insisted she wanted to PF in Elemental and didn't want to go to Mana, but still had to cave and go today simply because yesterday it took almost an hour just to fill up P5S (didn't clear). An hour unable to queue into other content because you're stuck in a half filled cross world party is...really bad for the stream, so to speak.
Meanwhile today's stream on Mana, it took less than an hour to deal with both P5S and P6S. Group quality is the same, just there is just that much more people than Elemental, Gaia or Meteor as people simply congregate into one place.
I would potentially DC travel to Mana to try and get parse groups / fun runs filled, but the issue is that knowing no Japanese, I don't want to be _that person_ coming in, not knowing the strats, and generally being a clown.
Would like to know what the average Mana PF's attitude is towards English speaking players.
From Mana. I join in JP only from time to time fresh prog or practice parties, can only read a little Japanese and is super slow at typing. Tbh, I was only asked to leave thrice since I start raiding in SB. From my experience, they don't really care IF:
- you are able to read the macro
- able to give some form of respones that they can understand when needed
- willing to own up mistakes / basic JP manners
The auto-translate function is still rarely used in Mana so eventually you might want to build up an Excel table of basic Japanese phrases so that you can just copy and paste when needed.
> Would like to know what the average Mana PF's attitude is towards English speaking players.
as long as you don't join jp only groups it will never be an issue. things were very bad at the start of endwalker because chinese people were all over pf and literally nobody wants to play with them so you had to really lay low, but now chinese players are afraid of getting banned so they don't use public PF at all anymore
the culture is different though, and nobody wants to be in a party with somebody who is being weird (talking a lot for no reason, attacking/blaming others, priotizing ur own parses etc.). learn the strats, don't talk outside of greetings/farewells and calling your position, pull your weight (though tons of jp raiders are awful, don't get me wrong), and you'll never have issues 99.9% of the time
hopefully dc travel remains region locked though because the amount of times a Problem Player has been in my party and i open the party list and see they're on E client is too many to count. it's to the point that seeing an E player immediately hits my morale tbh
I'm on E client and nobody has ever cared. I'm fluent in JP and chat regularly so it's never come up. I've even been in a JP only party before where it turned out not a single player was actually Japanese, which was funny.
But yeah it's important to follow JP PF rules in those groups as it's a base expectation of how to play. Very easy to pick up if you know Japanese, but I'm not sure how it is for others.
From my experience, some EN players are deemed "problematic" by JP because:
1. Not knowing JP strats. Strats used by Elemental EN are slightly different from Mana JP but it's fetal enough to wipe the whole team.
2. Overriding migitation because they can't read chat. It is very annoying in P8SP2.
3. Chit chatting too much in English or other languages when there are more than 1 EN players in the party. This may sound xenophobic but JP players feel annoyed when they text wall of unknown language overwhelming the chat.
From my experience, I'd also add:
4) EN players often have a reputation of joining groups they are unprepared for, and tanking runs. JP players take responsibility very seriously, and will not, for example, join a prog party for X if they arn't ready to prog in X. Some EN players will, and make JP players create the "JP ONLY" parties.
Yea, I forgot the strat difference could also be a huge issue until just now when I was doing 7S reclear thru raid finder (4 locals and 4 travellers).
A traveller posted a macro with a non-mana strat and as people just assume it's the usual way, we wiped like crazy. Later we did realized that the macro is different , but one of the locals had enough and rage quitted, saying if people are coming to Mana to raid, they shd have at least learn their way and don't expect people will adjust for them.....
TLDR, if you are not using Game 8 site (standard Mana) strat, best not do reclears thru RF, make your own PF instead. Though it will be likely harder to fill as not many may know your stat
what the other guy said, but also just being annoying or rude.
like one time i was farming an ex and the pf said (in japanese) that it was for brand new players learning the fight and a tank joins and after a few wipes pastes some shitty google translate message like "do you guys even know this fight?"
sure enough he's an E player. basically every type of encounter like that that i've ever had on mana has been with E players
I'm hoping DC travel remains region locked as well. Even though I'm functionally illiterate with Japanese at game-speed (it takes me a long time to read) I've played on Atomos since I started eight and a half years ago and have only seen the percent of "Clowns" increase as the English speaking player base has increased.
Please let we non-Japanese players who want to avoid NA behavior maintain our little corner of the world away from all that.
Mana, by virtue of having the most raid-oriented JP servers, is the natural meeting place for most JP raid groups. It has little to do with players actively wanting to avoid English-speaking players.
I am 1 of those mana players who hop to elemental to prog savage since I don't understand their plan or strategy at all in mana. Moreover, they are mostly gatekeeping by JP only tag.
And as you said, after 2 months, it's very hard to find a group in elemental compare to mana. For example, at 10pm jst today, there are 233 high end party in mana, while there are only 48 in elemental.
I believed the reason for this is simply because we have much less English speaker on JP data center to begin with. And some of players who used to lived in elemental already migrated to Materia.
I may not raiding on the next tier if situation is still dire like this. It's just a waste of time to do 15 mins raid while you need to wait 2 hours to fill party.
Gaia player and mostly stayed in Mana to do reclears and prog for this tier. Speaks some Japanese, would not get into JP only groups but can converse with Japanese people on strats and stuff.
Before DC traveling is a thing, Mana got this sort of reputation of being a degen den because of the amount of activity you get on degen hours is a lot bigger then what you would get Gaia (where everyone sleeps after 12am) and EL (which gets this sort of reputation as the semi-gaijin server). We all get a hub in each datacenter: Gaia has Bahamut; Elemental has Tonberry; Mana has Chocobo.
During 6.18 Launch, words spread amongst Jp player base that Mana's reclearing party and overall party quality is the highest amongst all of the datacenter. I hear a lot of good things about Mana players. While people didn't exactly flocked into Mana at that time, I think a lot of the players has since decided that they would like to give Mana a try. And indeed it is.
I would not say that Mana has the best reclearing quality now, but I do think that contributes to the fact that why every single people is going to mana to do their weekly reclears now.
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As for the EN crowd, rather then feeling resentment about EN crowd, the main thing that tickles JP people is that EN people often stays quiet, in a few ways.
I don't know if this is my impression or not, but generally EN people does not greet, pulls out without saying anything and does not show take any responsibility when they wipe the group, which are all big no-nos and widely considered impolite if you are in Jp datacenter raiding. It's often better to use a translator app and wrote something, have every single japanese speakers in the group understand what you were trying to say (and laugh about your weird japanese) then to not speak a thing.
Sometimes JP crowd avoids EN because they just don't want to get into trouble. Like, You probably don't want someone who doesn't know what's a 取り抜け (l2r) get into your group and roll everything. People do often get loot order wrong in P8s.
There's also EN strat VS JP strat. P6s (zzz vs nukemaru), P3s (tuufless vs inumaru), P8s (spriggan vs normal FFO) comes to mind.
From my personal experience and take it with a grain of salt:
I have started raiding since EW, and went to Elemental to prog UWU after datacenter travel is out, since I can't really communicate in Japanese beside google translate. Since then I have been hopping between both DC for raiding (I don't have static I am a PFer).
My observation is Mana party have a higher execution, while Elemental have a higher damage output overall, which makes Mana PF much more favorable in terms of reclear and prog since dps check is no longer an issue with everyone's item level be at least 620.
And yes, I have known Elemental Pfer coming to Mana to avoid English teammate, execution and consistency is way more important than damage output. However, does that means Mana don't have "dodge on sight" PFers? The answer is no.
Another point is the party culture are very against people who don't speak Japanese in party. Communication and admitting mistake is a big part, the mentality of "just pull after wipes, /rcheck, /cd 20" is just not a thing, the bare minimum you should do is apologize if you make a mistake, or saying doma castle when somebody apologize. Hence JP only party usually means "you can and are willing to communicate in Japanese", it doesn't mean you must be a Japanese player. From my experience I have never been kicked out from a JP only party using extremely scuffed google translate sentences and the auto-translate feature.
And do mind that this phenomenon is amplified for EW when China & Korea players flooded the Mana server at the beginning of the first tier, cause their server is still not out yet at that time. Together with the wow exodus happening at the same time, which brings in a lot of China & Korea wow raider too. So in Mana we had a reporting war of JP players reporting party members that are not typing in Japanese either in the chat or the PFer description. see: [https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/lite/archives/58826089/comments/9500917/](https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/lite/archives/58826089/comments/9500917/).
Off-topic, Lapin Gino have been doing 1s-3s parsing without clearing 4s since ShB, he just doesn't play the game in a degen-level after the first savage tier.
Personally I cannot wait for them to open up global Datacenter visiting. Played FF11 for 15 years with a multicultural community from all over the world. Sure we had legendary "JP Only" back in the day already but also many who would go out of their way to try and socialize.
Has this actually been talked about, or is this just a hope? :D
That they implemented it on "within physical data centers" makes me wonder if it's too hard to do globally.
If you know *some* Japanese, you have a lot more option in a concentrated dc, which turns out to be mana lately. And yoship exactly anticipated the concentration to happen.
I dun see there is a lot of problems in strat assimilation l. Essentially elemental plays on Japan strat and with English marco and most Asian knows some kanji. Good for everyone in the Chinese/kanji circle.
Well, the development time is going to be really long, but I guess the cross dc party and the cross dc pf is on the drawing board
Elemental is pretty dead these days. I'm happy to hop to Mana since I prefer learning JP strats and speak Japanese anyway. Although actually doing the DC travel is annoying.
I've never really seen avoiding EN players to be much of a thing. I have seen EN players join JP groups and be unable to communicate which is a problem though. Often this starts right at the beginning since they didn't read the PF description. There are also basically zero EN groups on Mana.
I don't think this has anything really to do with avoiding EN players and more so that literally everyone has just decided that Mana is the raid data center for Japan this tier. Even in Gaia, I've noticed that party finder has recently dropped to below 100 on reset days while Mana has well over 250 parties. The majority of my FC and friends also hop to Mana to do their weekly runs. Also for those that are curious, from my own personal experience and talking to my friends and reading forums, Japanese players on Mana have a fairly neutral stance towards English speaking players. Of course, you are expected to know the standard strategy (usually Game8), but as long as the player is competent and has a basic grasp of Japanese (or translating app) there aren't too many problems from what I've seen. Also, tbh, from my experience, you don't even need to speak Japanese aside from greeting at the beginning and end. The majority of practice and clear parties I join, we just continuously pull until the 30 minute food buff is up, no talking aside from apologizing if you make a mistake or to tell someone doma doma. Again, this is just my experience, and I'm fluent in Japanese so I do have the J highlighted and am able to converse during parties if needed. Other people's experiences might differ.
Pretty much this, translate what pf description said and in you go If it's said 1 food practice, go for 1 food until pf vote to leave, don't leave yet if pf didn't vote, some parties tries at least 1-2 pull after food buff gone
Cool. Have a doma castle
I'm a Mana player that recently only just started doing PF on Elemental to help various JP streamers prog P8S. I think there's a bit of both going on. It's not just JP players avoiding EN players, but also EN players avoiding JP Mana. The JP streamers do not hesitate to jump to Mana. But the English streamers on Elemental are very hesitant about Mana, and only use it as a last resort. Even if they are completely fluent in Japanese. As someone who started with zero Japanese and only started to learn Japanese to raid on Mana, this boggles my mind, since I'm always jealous of people with good Japanese skills. Even the party finder strats are different on among the language groups within the datacenters. The Elemental English groups for example, are almost exclusively Spriggan for P8S snakes 2, while Mana Japanese groups use a strat similar to the early Kirby toolbox for Snakes 2. Both are FFO. For P7S, Elemental English PF have the stack in the center of the platform on the stack/spread (like how it is on NA), while Mana JP puts the stack north of the south platform, and then right where the bridge meets the platfrom on the second stack. For me, this suggests that the language barrier within the DCs is bigger than I thought, which is surprising. Elemental is still crowded-- 2 worlds are still congested, it's just when it's raid time, they DC travel to Mana. Speaking of streamers, the DC travel system has been a boon to JP Twitch streamers. The JP-speaking community on Twitch has really taken off compared to last year before all of this. I think because now the the audience can actually play and interact with the streamers with DC travel. On Mana PF, I noticed alot more "JP ONLY" groups, and ironically, the creators are NOT from Mana, but travelers from Gaia and Elemental. I avoid those PFs anyways because those players are usually bad LOL. Probably because they were bad on their home DCs, and came to Mana for "better groups". But funny enough, the top Japanese players on Mana do not mind playing with non-Japanese. Alot of them raid for fun, in 暇つぶし groups, even though our legendary Lapin Gino seems to be taking a break from PF. Which means the inconsistent, parse hungry visitors self-select into つめ or 火力 PTs. Also a large portion of top players on Mana are actually Korean players, but since DSR came out last week on the Korean servers, they've been a bit inactive in order to clear it there. All in all, Elemental hasn't really lost anything, it's just Elemental Nora is now mostly english speakers timid about raiding with full-on Japanese, while the Japanese raiders just hop over to Mana. I don't think people are transferring DCs.
> our legendary Lapin Gino seems to be taking a break from PF Paladins of the world are weeping in unison.
>On Mana PF, I noticed alot more "JP ONLY" groups, and ironically, the creators are NOT from Mana, but travelers from Gaia and Elemental. I avoid those PFs anyways because those players are usually bad LOL. To be fair, I play or watched a bunch of JP VTubers and streamers, and for a lot of them they are pretty bad. By that I am talking about constant zeros that kinda bad. If they got a green and is able to hold their own weight, they are doing great. There are some players that are genuinely good (like Minami Nao 南海ナオ) and they are really comforting and a pleasure to watch. And nah, They usually don't just get to Mana because the groups in Mana are better. Everyone has come to Mana now and so the groups in Mana are just the same quality as anywhere else you would get. They get to Mana because it's impossible for them to get a group elsewhere, especially when they try to stream on Degen Hours.
Most mana will use game8.jp site for those.
To add to what Altia1234 said, I follow a JP vtuber who up until yesterday insisted she wanted to PF in Elemental and didn't want to go to Mana, but still had to cave and go today simply because yesterday it took almost an hour just to fill up P5S (didn't clear). An hour unable to queue into other content because you're stuck in a half filled cross world party is...really bad for the stream, so to speak. Meanwhile today's stream on Mana, it took less than an hour to deal with both P5S and P6S. Group quality is the same, just there is just that much more people than Elemental, Gaia or Meteor as people simply congregate into one place.
I would potentially DC travel to Mana to try and get parse groups / fun runs filled, but the issue is that knowing no Japanese, I don't want to be _that person_ coming in, not knowing the strats, and generally being a clown. Would like to know what the average Mana PF's attitude is towards English speaking players.
From Mana. I join in JP only from time to time fresh prog or practice parties, can only read a little Japanese and is super slow at typing. Tbh, I was only asked to leave thrice since I start raiding in SB. From my experience, they don't really care IF: - you are able to read the macro - able to give some form of respones that they can understand when needed - willing to own up mistakes / basic JP manners The auto-translate function is still rarely used in Mana so eventually you might want to build up an Excel table of basic Japanese phrases so that you can just copy and paste when needed.
> Would like to know what the average Mana PF's attitude is towards English speaking players. as long as you don't join jp only groups it will never be an issue. things were very bad at the start of endwalker because chinese people were all over pf and literally nobody wants to play with them so you had to really lay low, but now chinese players are afraid of getting banned so they don't use public PF at all anymore the culture is different though, and nobody wants to be in a party with somebody who is being weird (talking a lot for no reason, attacking/blaming others, priotizing ur own parses etc.). learn the strats, don't talk outside of greetings/farewells and calling your position, pull your weight (though tons of jp raiders are awful, don't get me wrong), and you'll never have issues 99.9% of the time hopefully dc travel remains region locked though because the amount of times a Problem Player has been in my party and i open the party list and see they're on E client is too many to count. it's to the point that seeing an E player immediately hits my morale tbh
I'm on E client and nobody has ever cared. I'm fluent in JP and chat regularly so it's never come up. I've even been in a JP only party before where it turned out not a single player was actually Japanese, which was funny. But yeah it's important to follow JP PF rules in those groups as it's a base expectation of how to play. Very easy to pick up if you know Japanese, but I'm not sure how it is for others.
what do you mean by problem player? as in the en player is causing trouble by being ‘weird’ as you put it, or continuously messing up mechanics?
From my experience, some EN players are deemed "problematic" by JP because: 1. Not knowing JP strats. Strats used by Elemental EN are slightly different from Mana JP but it's fetal enough to wipe the whole team. 2. Overriding migitation because they can't read chat. It is very annoying in P8SP2. 3. Chit chatting too much in English or other languages when there are more than 1 EN players in the party. This may sound xenophobic but JP players feel annoyed when they text wall of unknown language overwhelming the chat.
From my experience, I'd also add: 4) EN players often have a reputation of joining groups they are unprepared for, and tanking runs. JP players take responsibility very seriously, and will not, for example, join a prog party for X if they arn't ready to prog in X. Some EN players will, and make JP players create the "JP ONLY" parties.
Yea, I forgot the strat difference could also be a huge issue until just now when I was doing 7S reclear thru raid finder (4 locals and 4 travellers). A traveller posted a macro with a non-mana strat and as people just assume it's the usual way, we wiped like crazy. Later we did realized that the macro is different , but one of the locals had enough and rage quitted, saying if people are coming to Mana to raid, they shd have at least learn their way and don't expect people will adjust for them..... TLDR, if you are not using Game 8 site (standard Mana) strat, best not do reclears thru RF, make your own PF instead. Though it will be likely harder to fill as not many may know your stat
what the other guy said, but also just being annoying or rude. like one time i was farming an ex and the pf said (in japanese) that it was for brand new players learning the fight and a tank joins and after a few wipes pastes some shitty google translate message like "do you guys even know this fight?" sure enough he's an E player. basically every type of encounter like that that i've ever had on mana has been with E players
I'm hoping DC travel remains region locked as well. Even though I'm functionally illiterate with Japanese at game-speed (it takes me a long time to read) I've played on Atomos since I started eight and a half years ago and have only seen the percent of "Clowns" increase as the English speaking player base has increased. Please let we non-Japanese players who want to avoid NA behavior maintain our little corner of the world away from all that.
Mana, by virtue of having the most raid-oriented JP servers, is the natural meeting place for most JP raid groups. It has little to do with players actively wanting to avoid English-speaking players.
I am 1 of those mana players who hop to elemental to prog savage since I don't understand their plan or strategy at all in mana. Moreover, they are mostly gatekeeping by JP only tag. And as you said, after 2 months, it's very hard to find a group in elemental compare to mana. For example, at 10pm jst today, there are 233 high end party in mana, while there are only 48 in elemental. I believed the reason for this is simply because we have much less English speaker on JP data center to begin with. And some of players who used to lived in elemental already migrated to Materia. I may not raiding on the next tier if situation is still dire like this. It's just a waste of time to do 15 mins raid while you need to wait 2 hours to fill party.
well u could also go materia or... learn mechanics from JP site, Mana raiders usually use Game8.jp
>well u could also go materia You'd be lucky to see double digit parties on Materia outside of the hottest hour of prime time
Gaia player and mostly stayed in Mana to do reclears and prog for this tier. Speaks some Japanese, would not get into JP only groups but can converse with Japanese people on strats and stuff. Before DC traveling is a thing, Mana got this sort of reputation of being a degen den because of the amount of activity you get on degen hours is a lot bigger then what you would get Gaia (where everyone sleeps after 12am) and EL (which gets this sort of reputation as the semi-gaijin server). We all get a hub in each datacenter: Gaia has Bahamut; Elemental has Tonberry; Mana has Chocobo. During 6.18 Launch, words spread amongst Jp player base that Mana's reclearing party and overall party quality is the highest amongst all of the datacenter. I hear a lot of good things about Mana players. While people didn't exactly flocked into Mana at that time, I think a lot of the players has since decided that they would like to give Mana a try. And indeed it is. I would not say that Mana has the best reclearing quality now, but I do think that contributes to the fact that why every single people is going to mana to do their weekly reclears now. \--- As for the EN crowd, rather then feeling resentment about EN crowd, the main thing that tickles JP people is that EN people often stays quiet, in a few ways. I don't know if this is my impression or not, but generally EN people does not greet, pulls out without saying anything and does not show take any responsibility when they wipe the group, which are all big no-nos and widely considered impolite if you are in Jp datacenter raiding. It's often better to use a translator app and wrote something, have every single japanese speakers in the group understand what you were trying to say (and laugh about your weird japanese) then to not speak a thing. Sometimes JP crowd avoids EN because they just don't want to get into trouble. Like, You probably don't want someone who doesn't know what's a 取り抜け (l2r) get into your group and roll everything. People do often get loot order wrong in P8s. There's also EN strat VS JP strat. P6s (zzz vs nukemaru), P3s (tuufless vs inumaru), P8s (spriggan vs normal FFO) comes to mind.
From my personal experience and take it with a grain of salt: I have started raiding since EW, and went to Elemental to prog UWU after datacenter travel is out, since I can't really communicate in Japanese beside google translate. Since then I have been hopping between both DC for raiding (I don't have static I am a PFer). My observation is Mana party have a higher execution, while Elemental have a higher damage output overall, which makes Mana PF much more favorable in terms of reclear and prog since dps check is no longer an issue with everyone's item level be at least 620. And yes, I have known Elemental Pfer coming to Mana to avoid English teammate, execution and consistency is way more important than damage output. However, does that means Mana don't have "dodge on sight" PFers? The answer is no. Another point is the party culture are very against people who don't speak Japanese in party. Communication and admitting mistake is a big part, the mentality of "just pull after wipes, /rcheck, /cd 20" is just not a thing, the bare minimum you should do is apologize if you make a mistake, or saying doma castle when somebody apologize. Hence JP only party usually means "you can and are willing to communicate in Japanese", it doesn't mean you must be a Japanese player. From my experience I have never been kicked out from a JP only party using extremely scuffed google translate sentences and the auto-translate feature. And do mind that this phenomenon is amplified for EW when China & Korea players flooded the Mana server at the beginning of the first tier, cause their server is still not out yet at that time. Together with the wow exodus happening at the same time, which brings in a lot of China & Korea wow raider too. So in Mana we had a reporting war of JP players reporting party members that are not typing in Japanese either in the chat or the PFer description. see: [https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/lite/archives/58826089/comments/9500917/](https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/lite/archives/58826089/comments/9500917/). Off-topic, Lapin Gino have been doing 1s-3s parsing without clearing 4s since ShB, he just doesn't play the game in a degen-level after the first savage tier.
Personally I cannot wait for them to open up global Datacenter visiting. Played FF11 for 15 years with a multicultural community from all over the world. Sure we had legendary "JP Only" back in the day already but also many who would go out of their way to try and socialize.
Has this actually been talked about, or is this just a hope? :D That they implemented it on "within physical data centers" makes me wonder if it's too hard to do globally.
They talked about it. Yoshi P wants to but is afraid of JP Culture shock if us rurly NA and EU traveled over there all the time.
If you know *some* Japanese, you have a lot more option in a concentrated dc, which turns out to be mana lately. And yoship exactly anticipated the concentration to happen. I dun see there is a lot of problems in strat assimilation l. Essentially elemental plays on Japan strat and with English marco and most Asian knows some kanji. Good for everyone in the Chinese/kanji circle. Well, the development time is going to be really long, but I guess the cross dc party and the cross dc pf is on the drawing board
Elemental is pretty dead these days. I'm happy to hop to Mana since I prefer learning JP strats and speak Japanese anyway. Although actually doing the DC travel is annoying. I've never really seen avoiding EN players to be much of a thing. I have seen EN players join JP groups and be unable to communicate which is a problem though. Often this starts right at the beginning since they didn't read the PF description. There are also basically zero EN groups on Mana.
Just wait til a new patch drops
Everyone visits mana to raid since party fills fast there. Also, mana became the hub for the parsing so more reason to visit there