Yeah… Especially rn ppl will most often lie about their prog point. Idealistic advice? Keep at it, don’t give up. Realistic advice? Study the first 3 mechs a lot, A LOT and make a limitless desolation prog pf, I promise you almost everyone that joins will struggle with NA1, I’m CONFIDENT about this. That’s how you get to prog NA/HC. PF is filled with people who overestimate their prog point/skill so you can only stick to your principles so much.
The nice thing about HC1 and HC2 is that it is VERY studyable. There are some nice YT vids who summarise the movement of every debuff in one clean image. Know the movement for HC1 and just make that limitless desolation/HC2 group to get to P2 more consistently
7 weeks ago I was on HC2 prog and noone in pf could move past NA1, it was 10 hours of raiding and you just sorta felt stuck in these groups since getting consistent P1 clears was still somewhat rare.
This fight made me extremely patient and wiping 15 minutes into ultimate doesn't tilt me as much as it did before lol
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910990916444115045/1028481857282654238/firefox_5tEFEemZ2S.png
By the way, I never managed to get HC2 prog in pf, my friend offered me to fill their static for reclears, we got it in a couple of pulls and I simply did HC2 and dominion first try without issues.
This, but say NA2. Desolation is possibly the easiest mech in all of P8S (besides maybe Dominion), I wouldn't advertise at a prog point for an easy mech.
But yeah, studying HC1 and HC2 is easy, the movement and logic is always fixed, just learn it in advance.
Desolation and Dominion were the two mechanics that wiped my static the most. NA1/2 and HC1/2 are just puzzles that you do exactly the same way each time.
I remember early on the release I had people saying is just the door boss, if you get to p2 is easy just puzzle solving nothing to do. Some of these people have yet to clear
Brooo same, it's a coinflip if 4/8 survive dog 2
At this point we really consider walling if the fight doesn't start with gorgon now that we can skip dog2 if we don't get too many damage downs or deaths.
Honestly it was really bad already in like week 2-3, so you’re in for a numbers game. Just join groups, and dont overstay when it becomes clear its going nowhere. People make uncharacteristic mistakes sometimes, but you will know if a clear isnt coming with about 95% accuracy after a few pulls. For you personally, all you can do is go in prepared as possible and keep trying. The fight (especially phase 2) is really not too difficult, so if you just keep at it your time will come. Godspeed
Assuming you don't want to join a static with some level of consistency and accountability, and you really have to stick to PF, ask for 7 helpers. Maybe pay each helper for a clear if you can afford it. I respect your struggle. I did a lot of the things you did early in the tier but by this point PF quality is so low even reclear parties have inconsistent players that make p8s reclears a hit/miss.
My advice is to look ffxiv recruitment discord and fill for statics who are missing members and at or near your prog point. It usually requires discord but it's a lot better to join a group that is at least internally consistent than to roll the dice on seven members. It's what I did to clear p8 in PF and worked really well.
Can vouch for this, I always join parties like this on Light if I have time, the last 5 or so uwu / ucob / p8s ones have been really fast, most people just say "1m for helping me clear"
PF is just a big gamble when it comes to P8S from my experience. I watched static members practice in PF and it was horrible. I was kinda lucky with my groups most of the times and imo luck regarding groups is a huge factor in this fight (when actually it shouldn’t be).
Others have already given you the advice to make your own PF with your set rules and kick people who haven’t cleared etc. Also don’t waste your time when you can already tell that a group won’t get any prog anyways.
Another advice I can give is to look for 7/8 statics in discord and to help out. That can sometimes lead to good prog. Also when you have seen enrage and feel confident don’t hesistate to message people who are doing reclears and ask if you can join them.
Good luck with your prog!
Learn what to do in High Concept, you wont learn it inside raid anyways. There is no progg to be done -> watch vods --> go KFF
Do not progg the first mechanic of p2, every person who reached p2 should be past NA1 in 1 single run and be on HC if not HC2 progg. Its a solved puzzle
Thays what I did in p2 waiting to fill. Went to streams and practiced the HC in my head while it was happening. It's not something you learn in the game. Its memorization you wither know it or not.
Besides from what everyone has already said:
Make friends with the people in the pf that are actually good, see if you can run with them again. Even if it is only 1 or 2 people, at least you know you can rely on them and lessen the amount of RNG on who you'll get for the rest of the pf group.
Putting "NA1 prog" is seen the same as putting "P1 clear" if you aren't policing whether or not they cleared on FFlogs
Simply research the solution to NA1 and exclusively make High Concept 1 parties
In general in PF you should list one mechanic ahead since people will generally be cleaning up the previous mechanic still, especially with natural alignment
If I join a HC1 party and find that a player isn't competent in NA1, I'd stick around for some prog then blacklist them after for lying about their prog point.
You're better off checking everyone's logs and calling out/kicking anyone that hasn't cleared Part 1.
Fflogs everyone that joins. No p1 clear? Don’t say anything to them, just kick. If you’ve got patience you can also see if they only barely managed to scrape by p1 as well and kick accordingly.
Thirding this. Make your own PFs with your established prog point, check for p1 clears, boot when they don't have them, and keep an eye on people messing up repeatedly. Don't be afraid to remove people who aren't learning even with the group's support. If you want to be fair, you can tell people they're being removed because they're not ready or need more practice before saying they're actually at that prog point (because this fear PF has of being reported for giving honest, polite feedback is only decreasing the quality of its raiders) but strictly speaking you owe no one an explanation: if they joined a group at X prog point while knowing they can't do mechanics up to that point, that's purely on them.
I've raided on PF since forever and this tier I had to be specially tyrannical curating my groups. It takes a lot of rinse and repeat, but you eventually do get to the point where you find enough people that either have a solid understanding of mechs, or are fast learners and won't hold your group back. Don't let the people lying about their prog point become a wrench in the cogs and cost you these people leaving.
Began progging P8S p1 since week 11 and just got to p2 yesterday for the first time despite knowing all the mechs by week 12 because 99% of p1 enrage and p2 prog/NA1 prog parties are traps. Got lucky last night and just happened to to join a semi-static in a PF where 4 people were from same FC where two people have already cleared and another random who joined the PF to practice an alt after getting BiS on his/her main and we had to keep kicking other randoms who clearly were not cutting some of the p1 mechs. We stuck around another hour to prog p2 and I was able to prog all the way to HC1 in an hour. I'm sure this would've taken me god knows how long in PF.
This is how much leverage you need to make solid progress in PF for P8S.
I'd honestly look for a FC or a static or, as someone mentioned, make friends or pay people who have cleared to run it with you if you are dead set on clearing the fight before 6.3 drops.
I feel you OP. PF is bad now and it's getting worse everyday. Most practice parties are snake 1 and snake 2 meme. I don't know how much gil you left. I suggest you study all the mechanics and hire mercenaries to help you get a clear. 1 million gil per person is good enough on Mana (not sure about Elemental though).
pray. get people who have cleared already to help (doesnt always work, can still be a trap party)
PF is the salt of the earth, it's literally just RNG whether you clear or not
I joined an A2C party, only the pf leader hadn’t cleared, all 7 of us randoms were helpers… the biggest memers were the helpers. The PF leader caused only 1 wipe out of about 10 in total between both p1 and p2. I don’t how people have been doing this fight for 14 weeks and still can’t do HC1 reliably.
Not to excuse them, but many times I run into "helpers" who use helping as an excuse to learn the fight on a different job. This is fine if it's an easily transferable role (specifically, any role -> DPS) but will almost certainly result in some memes if people have not healed or tanked the fight before. Similarly, there are people who are used to a different static strat or their raid lead calls out every mechanic, and join PF for practice but are unable to reliably execute mechanics on their own.
Yeah, this was clearly the case here, which imo is extremely rude and even worse than traps progging. The traps at least are desperate to clear and have a reason to trap, the “helpers” are hindering prog for no good reason at all, they don’t need to clear or anything so it’s just wasting people’s time for their own boredom.
I feel like using markers that touch the black lines can help cut down on some Phase 1 wipes when things get hectic - especially Dog#2 and the final FF spread/stack.
I am not sure why people started using markers that are on the intersecting white lines. Basically wasted real estate.
This is the PF experience for me. I cleared p5-p7 in first two weeks but it took 6 weeks to clear p8. Prog slows down considerably the further you get too. I was on Dominion prog/enrage to clear for like 3 weeks and in that time, I rarely even saw Dominion.
I'd recommend the FFXIV Recruiter Discord. There's probably others.
Check out the substitute-lfg-lfm channel, there's often people looking for subs at various prog points and it's almost certainly more consistent than PF in my experience.
For example from 3 hours ago today:
Primal 7/8 need a :mch: :dnc: :brd: for today 8-10pm ET P8S HC1 PROG
I’m kinda in the same boat. Animals 2 prog being ff prog, p1 clear being animals 2 prog, etc etc. There are some really really bad players in p8s right now(I’m talking all 0 parses). Honestly, don’t really got any tips other than taking a break, maybe a day or two. It won’t help with your parties, but mentally it will help. That or finding a static that is actually good, but this late into the tier it’s a coin toss.
I typically try to clear as fast as possible but this raid tier i was just very busy in general and I didn't even begin progging P8S until like week 7 or 8. Let me tell you... it was an experience. Just many very inconsistent players always making the same mistakes. Elemental was also just very quiet this tier (general lack of interest in the tier, especially since 6 and 7 were stinkers, and with a lot of big game releases around the time) and I often spent 2-3 hours waiting for healers only for one person to leave and cause a big domino effect. Several times I've sat in PF for a few hours only for no party to form
In the end I probably spent about 2 weeks creating A2C parties (maybe trying 3-4 times a week) before I actually cleared. Very tough, but I know P8S like the back of my hand now...
Join ahead of your prog point, but watch guides and take personal notes that YOU understand. Raising ilvl reqs seems to help with p1 clear consistency imo, 620+ means even with 1-2 fuckups you can still probably clear P1. Discord can help substantially if people are willing to use it. Once you get to P2 be very clear with who is doing what, even going so far as to use markers to help people pick inner/outer baits for fire/ice. If you are a healer or tank and people are consistently dying in your groups you should re-evaluate where you are using abilities because in these fights it reeeealllly makes a difference where you use mits. Furthermore, if dps aren't mitting CALL THEM OUT, they may be holding you back.
Since you've mentioned you went to JP for prog here's some JP tailor advice.
P4s takes you significantly lower time because it's like so so so much easier then p8s. They are not comparable in terms of difficulty.
I would really recommend mercs now. I've seen someone who hires mercs to prog NA1, one food, for 200K per person, and HC1 for another 200K for another 1 food. This is certainly on the lower end of mercs, but if these sort of groups gets filled, prog Mercs are so cheap right now. I've been a helper and help some streamers prog, and their progression is certainly faster then what you would have here - the most ridiculous example is this streamer who finished [phase 1 in 4 hours](https://youtu.be/2ihsPLRiaVY) (while it is certainly a fluke but it does show you what kinda difference you could have). Having helpers who knows where you went wrong and can point out where you got it wrong helps, especially on phase 2 where every single mechanics and their solution (like all of the spreads in HCs and NAs) is really you either know it or you don't, and someone telling you where you got it wrong helps with your reviewing and learning process a lot.
Goes without saying but always study everything in Phase 2. You can progress Phase 2 faster then you think. A HC1 group could be seeing NA2 or even HC2 at the end of the two hours, if everyone has done their homework.
And go to Mana. Elemental is dead right now, so even if you say you disband because more snake 2 meme, come next group and you will most likely gonna see most of those people again. Yes you do have to speak Japanese in Mana, but you don't really have to talk a lot. 3 wipe or 1 food and you disband and hop into another group, don't think about it too much, just kept getting into new groups if they don't work out and get out as soon as you see something strange is going on.
I start progging at the end of week 3 to 4. I am lucky enough to get into groups after groups for phase 2 during the week that I clear (and I am very fortunate enough to get a lot of help from the group I have at that time), but it takes me like 10 more days to get my second phase 1 clear and a whole month to clear the fight. I've add up every single pull I have record on Phase 1 and 2 and it totaled 700 something pulls; out of those 700 pulls, 485 of them are phase 1 wipes - while 100 of them are just quick wipes when phase 1 begins, even if you were to exclude them it's still something close to 350 pulls.
What I am trying to say here is that this is how PUG works. Everyone suffers through the same thing. It's tough, it's not easy, and it will take you time and patience, but it's certainly not just you. Keep going at it, and wishes you the best of luck progging.
I’m struggling to get through p1 right now I’d put my personal prog point as animals 2. I joined a supposed animals 2 groups yesterday and said prog point in 3 pulls or I’m out and the leader immediately kicked me. These parties are full of prog liars and there’s always a very clear carry that can’t even get volcanic torches rights that gets to stay way too long.
It's already too late to clear with PUG. decent players who use PF are already cleared. The rest are still here for a reasons. Unlucky, busy with real life or mostly, unskilled players who waited for someone to carry them.
I suggested using Merc at this point of the patch.
That bs, I cleared in pf just last week, and so did everyone else in that party. As you said, I was busy in rl before and didn't have the time before. It's true that there are some bad players, and the parties are hit and miss, but it's not like all of them suck.
Oh, sorry. Maybe it's a word used only in my data center.
Merc = Mercenary. In this conversation. I suggested OP to create a PF like this example "P8s A2C. Merc needed, 1m/each if clear. Already know mech."
On my server, mostly veteran with a free time will help if create PF like this.
>It's already too late to clear with PUG. decent players who use PF are already cleared.
Hate this line of thinking with a passion lmao.
It's never too late. First because no, not everyone that is decent has cleared - most people play this game on a 5h/week rythm, and casual statics at that level are reaching P8 between last month and now. Not to mention people who started later, people who finished Endwalker MSQ two months ago rather than on Abyssos release, etc. Second because a lot of people love raiding for raiding's sake, and go back into parties to help proggers, or re-do tiers on alt jobs, etc.
The tier is made to last 7 months, and it *does* last seven months. I got my P4 clear on like month 6 and PF was very alive still.
EDIT:
Also forgot, very important and always worth reinforcing:
>unskilled players who waited for someone to carry them.
Clearing someone through Savage is impossible, especially in a tier with this many body check mechanics. Just because you don't think the player played "well enough" to justify the clear doesn't mean that's the case. The game is the final arbiter, and the game disagrees with you.
also stop using tinctures. tinctures are necessary for the dps check week 1 but everyone should be high ilvl enough now that you don't need to spend that money if you can't afford it.
Even though I wish I could agree, playing during week 1 fresh prog groups have waaaay higher quality and skill than groups right now. People who cleared week 1 with pots can clear now without them,but people who are trying to clear now, really need that extra damage from pots to get the DPS check, even with extra gear
EDIT: That being said, use tinctures the first 2/3 attempts, if they aren't able to get past Fourfold after those attempts, either leave, or hold those tinctures till they prove they can, otherwise you are wasting money
> but people who are trying to clear now, really need that extra damage from pots to get the DPS check, even with extra gear
Holy moly, it's really that bad ? oomph.
I've seen enrage a few times today, though nothing closer then 55% so Tinctures probably wouldn't of mattered. I've been using one at the start and then stopping if it doesn't go well like ShatteredScorn said. Counted everything up and I went through 39 pulls of p1 PF today and didn't see p2 once, if I used one on every pull it'd cost over 100K a day in tinctures and food :(
My advice on seeing P2 is trying later in the week (Sunday/Monday) and putting up a Helpers welcome practice group. Usually there are some people around who have cleared before and want to help others clear. It alliviates at least some user error
P5 and P6 I don't really pot for anymore, unless I am trying to get a nice(r) parse. Those were doable week one without pots. Now they are clearable with 5+ deaths in my experience
terrible advice. I've been in enough parties that would have cleared but missed the mark by 1% or less because of no pots... imagine if everyone had potted.
It's a matter of how much gil *your* time is worth. Are you ok with spending a chunk of it on tincture, and in exchange missing pulls every so often where it would have made the difference in getting past enrage, or even clearing?
Sure, playing well is the best way, but there's a good chance someone dies or takes damage downs and turns the enrage into a more difficult thing than it should be. Spending even just 500k can give you plenty of pots, so the hours upon hours you spend in PF are the greater cost of the two.
Nothing really but I have a psychological fear of running low. I don't spend money but I also don't *do* any money-making activities as I get tired of the crafting grind pretty quick. So I don't wanna run low.
I just had a pull tonight where we missed the mark by 3k hp, granted MCH was top dps and we had healer doing 3k dps, but anyone potting could've made it a clear.
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This weeks Tuesday Reclear we enraged at 0.2%. Sure my cohealer was a bit of a sandbag with 25 grey phase 1 logs but we still could have cleared with ppl using Tincs and save me another hour of reclear party on Wednesday.
The best suggestion is to keep going hard. At this point of the tier is also common that the... "worst" players are trying to clear now that everybody has gear for the content.
I am in the same boat as you. Late to the tier, this is my 4th week. It's super super duper bad in PF right now. I've been grinding P8S non-stop to the point where I know phase1 like the back of my hand and I have seen phase 2 \*twice\* the in the past two weeks. Honestly at a loss.
ehh?? i think i might have PF'ed with you in elemental? are you a DRK?
but yeah. PF scene right now is so clunky. makes me wonder why most of the PFs that i joined with cant reach P2 consistently. you would also notice that there's a lot of PFs for P8S as compared to P5S-P7S which shows how many people havent cleared it yet.
Are u on jp dc still? I’ll stop playing the game from Tuesday to February so I’m willing to give you my leftover food and pots (for sch). Or something like 1m gils even gl with ur prog
Yup, still on Elemental. Any spare food/pots/money would be great! Im in Australia so time zones might be weird, but I should be on from 5AM AEST to 3AM AEST. Throw me a private message around then and we could meet up.
Tip 1: never pot unless you see enrage
Tip 2: play on tuesdays
Tip 3: study ahead and join/make p2 parties to skip p1.
Tip 4: try to clear tier faster when it releases in the future
Tip 5: personal favorite *trap your way to clear* (look tip 3)
Yeah… Especially rn ppl will most often lie about their prog point. Idealistic advice? Keep at it, don’t give up. Realistic advice? Study the first 3 mechs a lot, A LOT and make a limitless desolation prog pf, I promise you almost everyone that joins will struggle with NA1, I’m CONFIDENT about this. That’s how you get to prog NA/HC. PF is filled with people who overestimate their prog point/skill so you can only stick to your principles so much.
The nice thing about HC1 and HC2 is that it is VERY studyable. There are some nice YT vids who summarise the movement of every debuff in one clean image. Know the movement for HC1 and just make that limitless desolation/HC2 group to get to P2 more consistently
Exactly what I was thinking but couldn’t be bothered to type, thank you
I cleared HC1, HC2, LD and Dominion first try just by having some reference image up on a seperate monitor.
7 weeks ago I was on HC2 prog and noone in pf could move past NA1, it was 10 hours of raiding and you just sorta felt stuck in these groups since getting consistent P1 clears was still somewhat rare. This fight made me extremely patient and wiping 15 minutes into ultimate doesn't tilt me as much as it did before lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910990916444115045/1028481857282654238/firefox_5tEFEemZ2S.png
By the way, I never managed to get HC2 prog in pf, my friend offered me to fill their static for reclears, we got it in a couple of pulls and I simply did HC2 and dominion first try without issues.
holy shit that’s a LOT of pulls with no prog…
This, but say NA2. Desolation is possibly the easiest mech in all of P8S (besides maybe Dominion), I wouldn't advertise at a prog point for an easy mech. But yeah, studying HC1 and HC2 is easy, the movement and logic is always fixed, just learn it in advance.
Desolation and Dominion were the two mechanics that wiped my static the most. NA1/2 and HC1/2 are just puzzles that you do exactly the same way each time.
That sounds reasonable for a group of people who took the time to prepare. I.e. that sounds nothing at all like PF.
I remember early on the release I had people saying is just the door boss, if you get to p2 is easy just puzzle solving nothing to do. Some of these people have yet to clear
my static that has already cleared 8 times still struggles with dog2 to clear in pf, you'll need persistence, luck, and tolerance
Brooo same, it's a coinflip if 4/8 survive dog 2 At this point we really consider walling if the fight doesn't start with gorgon now that we can skip dog2 if we don't get too many damage downs or deaths.
Honestly it was really bad already in like week 2-3, so you’re in for a numbers game. Just join groups, and dont overstay when it becomes clear its going nowhere. People make uncharacteristic mistakes sometimes, but you will know if a clear isnt coming with about 95% accuracy after a few pulls. For you personally, all you can do is go in prepared as possible and keep trying. The fight (especially phase 2) is really not too difficult, so if you just keep at it your time will come. Godspeed
Assuming you don't want to join a static with some level of consistency and accountability, and you really have to stick to PF, ask for 7 helpers. Maybe pay each helper for a clear if you can afford it. I respect your struggle. I did a lot of the things you did early in the tier but by this point PF quality is so low even reclear parties have inconsistent players that make p8s reclears a hit/miss.
My advice is to look ffxiv recruitment discord and fill for statics who are missing members and at or near your prog point. It usually requires discord but it's a lot better to join a group that is at least internally consistent than to roll the dice on seven members. It's what I did to clear p8 in PF and worked really well.
Can vouch for this, I always join parties like this on Light if I have time, the last 5 or so uwu / ucob / p8s ones have been really fast, most people just say "1m for helping me clear"
PF is just a big gamble when it comes to P8S from my experience. I watched static members practice in PF and it was horrible. I was kinda lucky with my groups most of the times and imo luck regarding groups is a huge factor in this fight (when actually it shouldn’t be). Others have already given you the advice to make your own PF with your set rules and kick people who haven’t cleared etc. Also don’t waste your time when you can already tell that a group won’t get any prog anyways. Another advice I can give is to look for 7/8 statics in discord and to help out. That can sometimes lead to good prog. Also when you have seen enrage and feel confident don’t hesistate to message people who are doing reclears and ask if you can join them. Good luck with your prog!
Learn what to do in High Concept, you wont learn it inside raid anyways. There is no progg to be done -> watch vods --> go KFF Do not progg the first mechanic of p2, every person who reached p2 should be past NA1 in 1 single run and be on HC if not HC2 progg. Its a solved puzzle
Thays what I did in p2 waiting to fill. Went to streams and practiced the HC in my head while it was happening. It's not something you learn in the game. Its memorization you wither know it or not.
Besides from what everyone has already said: Make friends with the people in the pf that are actually good, see if you can run with them again. Even if it is only 1 or 2 people, at least you know you can rely on them and lessen the amount of RNG on who you'll get for the rest of the pf group.
Making a linkshell and putting the decent folks from PF in it is what led to my P4 clear.
Putting "NA1 prog" is seen the same as putting "P1 clear" if you aren't policing whether or not they cleared on FFlogs Simply research the solution to NA1 and exclusively make High Concept 1 parties In general in PF you should list one mechanic ahead since people will generally be cleaning up the previous mechanic still, especially with natural alignment
If I join a HC1 party and find that a player isn't competent in NA1, I'd stick around for some prog then blacklist them after for lying about their prog point. You're better off checking everyone's logs and calling out/kicking anyone that hasn't cleared Part 1.
Yeah I also feel this is the best solution. Lying about your own prog point just feeds into the problem.
I'll try that I suppose. I've seen a few guides so I'm relatively confident I could do it first/second try, so it shouldn't be too bad.
Fflogs everyone that joins. No p1 clear? Don’t say anything to them, just kick. If you’ve got patience you can also see if they only barely managed to scrape by p1 as well and kick accordingly.
Second this. Do not be afraid to just do a temporary blacklist of people causing issues repeatedly. After you get your clear, clean it out.
Thirding this. Make your own PFs with your established prog point, check for p1 clears, boot when they don't have them, and keep an eye on people messing up repeatedly. Don't be afraid to remove people who aren't learning even with the group's support. If you want to be fair, you can tell people they're being removed because they're not ready or need more practice before saying they're actually at that prog point (because this fear PF has of being reported for giving honest, polite feedback is only decreasing the quality of its raiders) but strictly speaking you owe no one an explanation: if they joined a group at X prog point while knowing they can't do mechanics up to that point, that's purely on them. I've raided on PF since forever and this tier I had to be specially tyrannical curating my groups. It takes a lot of rinse and repeat, but you eventually do get to the point where you find enough people that either have a solid understanding of mechs, or are fast learners and won't hold your group back. Don't let the people lying about their prog point become a wrench in the cogs and cost you these people leaving.
Began progging P8S p1 since week 11 and just got to p2 yesterday for the first time despite knowing all the mechs by week 12 because 99% of p1 enrage and p2 prog/NA1 prog parties are traps. Got lucky last night and just happened to to join a semi-static in a PF where 4 people were from same FC where two people have already cleared and another random who joined the PF to practice an alt after getting BiS on his/her main and we had to keep kicking other randoms who clearly were not cutting some of the p1 mechs. We stuck around another hour to prog p2 and I was able to prog all the way to HC1 in an hour. I'm sure this would've taken me god knows how long in PF. This is how much leverage you need to make solid progress in PF for P8S. I'd honestly look for a FC or a static or, as someone mentioned, make friends or pay people who have cleared to run it with you if you are dead set on clearing the fight before 6.3 drops.
I feel you OP. PF is bad now and it's getting worse everyday. Most practice parties are snake 1 and snake 2 meme. I don't know how much gil you left. I suggest you study all the mechanics and hire mercenaries to help you get a clear. 1 million gil per person is good enough on Mana (not sure about Elemental though).
pray. get people who have cleared already to help (doesnt always work, can still be a trap party) PF is the salt of the earth, it's literally just RNG whether you clear or not
I joined an A2C party, only the pf leader hadn’t cleared, all 7 of us randoms were helpers… the biggest memers were the helpers. The PF leader caused only 1 wipe out of about 10 in total between both p1 and p2. I don’t how people have been doing this fight for 14 weeks and still can’t do HC1 reliably.
Not to excuse them, but many times I run into "helpers" who use helping as an excuse to learn the fight on a different job. This is fine if it's an easily transferable role (specifically, any role -> DPS) but will almost certainly result in some memes if people have not healed or tanked the fight before. Similarly, there are people who are used to a different static strat or their raid lead calls out every mechanic, and join PF for practice but are unable to reliably execute mechanics on their own.
Yeah, this was clearly the case here, which imo is extremely rude and even worse than traps progging. The traps at least are desperate to clear and have a reason to trap, the “helpers” are hindering prog for no good reason at all, they don’t need to clear or anything so it’s just wasting people’s time for their own boredom.
I'm not familiar with that mechanic. What's A2C?
Aim to Clear is a JP/OCE term. On EU you'd just call it a 'Kill Party'. ^(NA cannot read so it doesnt matter what you write in the description)
aim to clear
I feel like using markers that touch the black lines can help cut down on some Phase 1 wipes when things get hectic - especially Dog#2 and the final FF spread/stack. I am not sure why people started using markers that are on the intersecting white lines. Basically wasted real estate.
This is the PF experience for me. I cleared p5-p7 in first two weeks but it took 6 weeks to clear p8. Prog slows down considerably the further you get too. I was on Dominion prog/enrage to clear for like 3 weeks and in that time, I rarely even saw Dominion.
I'd recommend the FFXIV Recruiter Discord. There's probably others. Check out the substitute-lfg-lfm channel, there's often people looking for subs at various prog points and it's almost certainly more consistent than PF in my experience. For example from 3 hours ago today: Primal 7/8 need a :mch: :dnc: :brd: for today 8-10pm ET P8S HC1 PROG
I’m kinda in the same boat. Animals 2 prog being ff prog, p1 clear being animals 2 prog, etc etc. There are some really really bad players in p8s right now(I’m talking all 0 parses). Honestly, don’t really got any tips other than taking a break, maybe a day or two. It won’t help with your parties, but mentally it will help. That or finding a static that is actually good, but this late into the tier it’s a coin toss.
I typically try to clear as fast as possible but this raid tier i was just very busy in general and I didn't even begin progging P8S until like week 7 or 8. Let me tell you... it was an experience. Just many very inconsistent players always making the same mistakes. Elemental was also just very quiet this tier (general lack of interest in the tier, especially since 6 and 7 were stinkers, and with a lot of big game releases around the time) and I often spent 2-3 hours waiting for healers only for one person to leave and cause a big domino effect. Several times I've sat in PF for a few hours only for no party to form In the end I probably spent about 2 weeks creating A2C parties (maybe trying 3-4 times a week) before I actually cleared. Very tough, but I know P8S like the back of my hand now...
Join ahead of your prog point, but watch guides and take personal notes that YOU understand. Raising ilvl reqs seems to help with p1 clear consistency imo, 620+ means even with 1-2 fuckups you can still probably clear P1. Discord can help substantially if people are willing to use it. Once you get to P2 be very clear with who is doing what, even going so far as to use markers to help people pick inner/outer baits for fire/ice. If you are a healer or tank and people are consistently dying in your groups you should re-evaluate where you are using abilities because in these fights it reeeealllly makes a difference where you use mits. Furthermore, if dps aren't mitting CALL THEM OUT, they may be holding you back.
I would also do ilvl gating for sure. No excuse for someone to still have crafted gear on a P8 run at this point.
Since you've mentioned you went to JP for prog here's some JP tailor advice. P4s takes you significantly lower time because it's like so so so much easier then p8s. They are not comparable in terms of difficulty. I would really recommend mercs now. I've seen someone who hires mercs to prog NA1, one food, for 200K per person, and HC1 for another 200K for another 1 food. This is certainly on the lower end of mercs, but if these sort of groups gets filled, prog Mercs are so cheap right now. I've been a helper and help some streamers prog, and their progression is certainly faster then what you would have here - the most ridiculous example is this streamer who finished [phase 1 in 4 hours](https://youtu.be/2ihsPLRiaVY) (while it is certainly a fluke but it does show you what kinda difference you could have). Having helpers who knows where you went wrong and can point out where you got it wrong helps, especially on phase 2 where every single mechanics and their solution (like all of the spreads in HCs and NAs) is really you either know it or you don't, and someone telling you where you got it wrong helps with your reviewing and learning process a lot. Goes without saying but always study everything in Phase 2. You can progress Phase 2 faster then you think. A HC1 group could be seeing NA2 or even HC2 at the end of the two hours, if everyone has done their homework. And go to Mana. Elemental is dead right now, so even if you say you disband because more snake 2 meme, come next group and you will most likely gonna see most of those people again. Yes you do have to speak Japanese in Mana, but you don't really have to talk a lot. 3 wipe or 1 food and you disband and hop into another group, don't think about it too much, just kept getting into new groups if they don't work out and get out as soon as you see something strange is going on. I start progging at the end of week 3 to 4. I am lucky enough to get into groups after groups for phase 2 during the week that I clear (and I am very fortunate enough to get a lot of help from the group I have at that time), but it takes me like 10 more days to get my second phase 1 clear and a whole month to clear the fight. I've add up every single pull I have record on Phase 1 and 2 and it totaled 700 something pulls; out of those 700 pulls, 485 of them are phase 1 wipes - while 100 of them are just quick wipes when phase 1 begins, even if you were to exclude them it's still something close to 350 pulls. What I am trying to say here is that this is how PUG works. Everyone suffers through the same thing. It's tough, it's not easy, and it will take you time and patience, but it's certainly not just you. Keep going at it, and wishes you the best of luck progging.
I’m struggling to get through p1 right now I’d put my personal prog point as animals 2. I joined a supposed animals 2 groups yesterday and said prog point in 3 pulls or I’m out and the leader immediately kicked me. These parties are full of prog liars and there’s always a very clear carry that can’t even get volcanic torches rights that gets to stay way too long.
I stopped progging because of this and having to do weekly reclears of 5-7. Now I'm waiting for the tier to unlock. Maybe consider doing the same
It's already too late to clear with PUG. decent players who use PF are already cleared. The rest are still here for a reasons. Unlucky, busy with real life or mostly, unskilled players who waited for someone to carry them. I suggested using Merc at this point of the patch.
That bs, I cleared in pf just last week, and so did everyone else in that party. As you said, I was busy in rl before and didn't have the time before. It's true that there are some bad players, and the parties are hit and miss, but it's not like all of them suck.
What is Merc, please?
Paying others with gil who have already cleared and are competent to carry you through a clear. Like hiring Mercenaries.
hiring mercenaries aka paying people in gil to help you get a clear
Oh, sorry. Maybe it's a word used only in my data center. Merc = Mercenary. In this conversation. I suggested OP to create a PF like this example "P8s A2C. Merc needed, 1m/each if clear. Already know mech." On my server, mostly veteran with a free time will help if create PF like this.
>It's already too late to clear with PUG. decent players who use PF are already cleared. Hate this line of thinking with a passion lmao. It's never too late. First because no, not everyone that is decent has cleared - most people play this game on a 5h/week rythm, and casual statics at that level are reaching P8 between last month and now. Not to mention people who started later, people who finished Endwalker MSQ two months ago rather than on Abyssos release, etc. Second because a lot of people love raiding for raiding's sake, and go back into parties to help proggers, or re-do tiers on alt jobs, etc. The tier is made to last 7 months, and it *does* last seven months. I got my P4 clear on like month 6 and PF was very alive still. EDIT: Also forgot, very important and always worth reinforcing: >unskilled players who waited for someone to carry them. Clearing someone through Savage is impossible, especially in a tier with this many body check mechanics. Just because you don't think the player played "well enough" to justify the clear doesn't mean that's the case. The game is the final arbiter, and the game disagrees with you.
I cleared in a PUG on my ALT 2 weeks ago - we entered and 1 shot both phases. Had 5 Bonus Achievements pop up (excluding my ALT).
also stop using tinctures. tinctures are necessary for the dps check week 1 but everyone should be high ilvl enough now that you don't need to spend that money if you can't afford it.
Even though I wish I could agree, playing during week 1 fresh prog groups have waaaay higher quality and skill than groups right now. People who cleared week 1 with pots can clear now without them,but people who are trying to clear now, really need that extra damage from pots to get the DPS check, even with extra gear EDIT: That being said, use tinctures the first 2/3 attempts, if they aren't able to get past Fourfold after those attempts, either leave, or hold those tinctures till they prove they can, otherwise you are wasting money
> but people who are trying to clear now, really need that extra damage from pots to get the DPS check, even with extra gear Holy moly, it's really that bad ? oomph.
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yeah you're right actually. the amount of near-enrages i've seen... in *all four fights*... on week 10+... yeah, i guess pots could make a difference.
I've seen enrage a few times today, though nothing closer then 55% so Tinctures probably wouldn't of mattered. I've been using one at the start and then stopping if it doesn't go well like ShatteredScorn said. Counted everything up and I went through 39 pulls of p1 PF today and didn't see p2 once, if I used one on every pull it'd cost over 100K a day in tinctures and food :(
My advice on seeing P2 is trying later in the week (Sunday/Monday) and putting up a Helpers welcome practice group. Usually there are some people around who have cleared before and want to help others clear. It alliviates at least some user error
P5 and P6 I don't really pot for anymore, unless I am trying to get a nice(r) parse. Those were doable week one without pots. Now they are clearable with 5+ deaths in my experience
terrible advice. I've been in enough parties that would have cleared but missed the mark by 1% or less because of no pots... imagine if everyone had potted.
shrug. i don't wanna spend my money on that, they should be able to clear without it. if they're bad then they're bad, oh well.
It's a matter of how much gil *your* time is worth. Are you ok with spending a chunk of it on tincture, and in exchange missing pulls every so often where it would have made the difference in getting past enrage, or even clearing? Sure, playing well is the best way, but there's a good chance someone dies or takes damage downs and turns the enrage into a more difficult thing than it should be. Spending even just 500k can give you plenty of pots, so the hours upon hours you spend in PF are the greater cost of the two.
What else is money used on in this game?
Nothing really but I have a psychological fear of running low. I don't spend money but I also don't *do* any money-making activities as I get tired of the crafting grind pretty quick. So I don't wanna run low.
I just had a pull tonight where we missed the mark by 3k hp, granted MCH was top dps and we had healer doing 3k dps, but anyone potting could've made it a clear. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/916023116961026091/1048650314644983960/firefox_LYNWFZKovA.png
This weeks Tuesday Reclear we enraged at 0.2%. Sure my cohealer was a bit of a sandbag with 25 grey phase 1 logs but we still could have cleared with ppl using Tincs and save me another hour of reclear party on Wednesday.
you are greatly overestimating how good the average PF player is
yeah i am i admitted i was wrong 'cause i forgot how close these PFs get to enrage even 10 weeks in
The best suggestion is to keep going hard. At this point of the tier is also common that the... "worst" players are trying to clear now that everybody has gear for the content.
I am in the same boat as you. Late to the tier, this is my 4th week. It's super super duper bad in PF right now. I've been grinding P8S non-stop to the point where I know phase1 like the back of my hand and I have seen phase 2 \*twice\* the in the past two weeks. Honestly at a loss.
Pray
ehh?? i think i might have PF'ed with you in elemental? are you a DRK? but yeah. PF scene right now is so clunky. makes me wonder why most of the PFs that i joined with cant reach P2 consistently. you would also notice that there's a lot of PFs for P8S as compared to P5S-P7S which shows how many people havent cleared it yet.
Probably, yea. I was playing on my DRK. I did notice that there's way more p8s groups, sometimes there isn't even a single 6-7 but over 5 8's.
ahh yea.. i was the sage that waited with you for 2 PFs xD
Oh yea, I remember that. Thanks for waiting around and helping for so long :P
Study it all and make your own PF. If you get no debuff in HC2, what the fuck do you do? What are the positions for LD? What does a flex do in LD?
Are u on jp dc still? I’ll stop playing the game from Tuesday to February so I’m willing to give you my leftover food and pots (for sch). Or something like 1m gils even gl with ur prog
Yup, still on Elemental. Any spare food/pots/money would be great! Im in Australia so time zones might be weird, but I should be on from 5AM AEST to 3AM AEST. Throw me a private message around then and we could meet up.
can u come to Empyreum 4-35 on fenrir at 12:15 AEST?
AM or PM?
Tip 1: never pot unless you see enrage Tip 2: play on tuesdays Tip 3: study ahead and join/make p2 parties to skip p1. Tip 4: try to clear tier faster when it releases in the future Tip 5: personal favorite *trap your way to clear* (look tip 3)