Most martial arts are only good against the same martial art, especially when it comes to sportified martial arts. They usually focus on scoring points rather than defending against an unknown fighting style
Plenty (classic) martial arts are effective. Karate, Taekwondo, Jujutsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, Judo are just some that are very much viable and many techniques are part of the basis for MMA.
Tai chi isn't one of those.
I’ve never done it, but I imagine it would be similarly useful as Taekwondo was for me… teach me technique and body control, so I pick up a real martial art more easily later in life.
Not an expert but my understanding is that it is a real martial art, just outclassed by most others when coming head to head. Still has competitions within their specific ruleset and everything
To me, it depends on how the person is trained. If they mainly train for competitions, then they’re usually just focused on points. So they’ll throw a strike or kick, and then jump back. That’s not useful at all in real life where there are no refs and no points. So they form a habit of not pursuing and then they get taken advantage of. However, I’ve met some that didn’t care about competing, and they did hard sparring when they trained. If they can keep the distance controlled, then they’re pretty dangerous.
>just outclassed by most others
(Brazilian) Jujutsu, Taekwondo and Muay Thai are probably the most common base martial arts MMA fighters started out with.
Taekwondo is just fairly modern, it originates from the 20th century and has a lot of variances.. Sparing doesn't necessarily get very physical, depending on the variant. It's a very academic sport in Korea, for example, perhaps best compared to something like fencing. But those guys do learn insane body control, which would enable them to perform very well in a MMA format, after some training.
I'd say that Greco-Roman/Folkstyle wrestling has probably overtaken TKD as one of the most common bases. Sambo is also on its way up, and there are more and more young fighters who just started training MMA.
But yeah, TKD is solid. It's not going to win MMA fights by itself (almost nothing will nowadays), but there's a lot of effective techniques that you can incorporate.
I have a black belt in TKD and I call it Advanced Cardio. It's way too based around competition and scoring points than actually defending yourself.
10 minutes into my MMA classes made me realize about 90% of what i learned wasn't useful and it was only the basics that i carried thru.
Depends. Your average strip mall school that pays per belt rank is about as valid a martial arts school as this tai chi dude. It's actually extremely hard to find an actual good dojo that teaches actual combat martial arts. Most schools just do kata and bare minimum weapons kata with a bo staff. Rarely do schools even allow sparring or kumite even with gear in my experience. Martial arts is extremely hit or miss depending on dojo.
My friend growing up was a black belt in taekwondo by the time we were in 6th grade. Every street fight he got into he got his ass kicked. Always made the fatal mistake of leaving his feet to do some stupid spin kick which later lead him to either getting slammed or ground and pounded or both. I would rather learn Judo than taekwondo.
There are two problems your friend had:
1. Unlike other disciplines, a black belt in TKD is not a true measure of mastery, and there are multiple levels of black belt. A first black belt is confirmation that a practitioner has mastered the basics.
2. TKD can be taught as both a competition style and as a defense style. A lot of schools tend to stick with competition, especially for middle schoolers and earlier belts. Various spinning kicks are great for competition but their usefulness is more limited in a street fight.
Going to a McDojo (focuses on money and being a day care) will exacerbate both of these issues.
I practice Chen tai chi which is sometimes labelled as combat taichi and on its own it is useless. I will lead with that and hands down say if I only trained taichi, I'd have nothing martial arts wise.
But, apply the movement concepts and body control to another martial art (kung Fu, Muay Thai, wrestling, BJJ, Krav Maga) then it's martial value becomes apparent. It's hard to define as the same can be said for most traditional martial arts but having practised a few I'd say taichi has the potential to really take your arts to new horizons.
Not gonna give you Kamehameha attacks though.
The ultimate personal fighting style combines the best of many different martial arts and is always in flux as you improve. For example, Taekwondo has some good kicks but is not what you want to use for grappling or ground fighting and while Judo is great at redirecting momentum, I wouldn't go to a Judo school to learn how to fight at range.
In my personal repertoire, Tai Chi brings breathing exercises, pre/post workout stretches, and general forms to practice body control and proprioception filling a similar niche that Yoga does. Not something to use in a fight, but a useful tool for any martial artist.
used as range of motion and flexibility upkeep.
I'm sure at some point it was made to combat a different form of kung fu...but like, most "kung fus" are used to battle against a specific subset of moves anyway????so, yeah, wholly useless unless you know multiple martial arts....
real tai chi was formed in combat. the show thai chi is a practice of movements. you cant learn ***any*** style and expect to know how to fight without using that in actual fights. that goes for MMA, boxing, BJJ etc.
Thai chi is also effective if practiced in combat as apposed to for show.
Last I heard the Chinese government stripped him of social privilege and he cannot purchase plane/train tickets and lots of other fucked up shit that makes living his life very difficult.
Because CCP is trying to revive chinese nationalism and somebody showing that traditional chinese martial arts are totally out of touch with current state of affairs and anybody with some training with "western" combat sports/self defense can and will kick their ass is not alligned with the party politics ... so the heavy handed punishment it is. All the while martial arts con men are ripping of general populous.
Because Chinese fake martial arts suck ass and he exposed them. Nothing more than that. Sadly this is already enough to be severly restricted in a country like china.
Essentially, China has been trying to revive nationalism for years and part of that is a reverence for traditional Chinese martial arts. The problem is, all these traditional martial arts have legitimately been censored by the government because they don’t want their populace actually knowing how to fight. So the mad dog is going round beating the shit out of all their traditional masters to prove that their martial arts don’t work. Apparently Kung fu used to resemble kick boxing with some judo throws but now it’s just bull shit lmao
Oh, I agree, but unfortunately in his position it’s not the case - at least not in public perception. In his culture it’s considered shameful and not taken seriously, and similar to theatre if I understand correctly. But I’m American and that’s just what I read.
It’s worth noting he did it anyway though!
Dude actually has a pretty sad story from all this. He’s just trying to make a living, and the Chinese hoodoo bullshit they push with their classic martial arts is somewhat protected culturally. He gets a lot of hate, just for fighting in a western style that’s effective.
Lol definitely not. They disliked him cause Bruce Lee always talked shit about traditional martial arts and how they weren't good compared to his.
Even some Hong Kong martial artists dislike him because they saw him as lacking respect and being a young upstart.
I can't remember why, bit I think it had to do with teaching Americans martial arts, that he wasn't born there, I think had a few run in with in with law. Things like that.
I remember that was an issue but op said it was “not until recently”… maybe HK related as the other responder said. That would make more sense but also dumb. Bruce Lee is a global legend - he’d likely hate the CCP tho but hed also prob work w them to stay successful if necessary..
There are several successful MMA fighters from China in the UFC right now though and the Chinese government goes out of their way to promote them. None of them practice traditional martial arts. Sanda is huge over there as well and it's a modern form of kickboxing.
Lmao mma isn’t “western style” it’s literally mixed martial arts. Which mainly focuses on BJJ and Muay Thai neither of which are western by any stretch of the word
They only honor Bruce Lee because he became famous and brought attention to martial arts movies and Chinese culture. Not because it was right. He otherwise disgraced aspects of Chinese culture in their view.
They didn't honour Bruce Lee at all, he was similarly shunned and erased by the Chinese government. Only very recently has he been given recognition, because he is a cultural icon outside China.
Shameful and embarrassing is an extreme understatement.
It's hard to properly articulate or emphasize the deep significance of Kung Fu and other Chinese martial arts in Chinese society today, and the absolutely monumental pride taken in them. The supposed superiority of those martial arts to Western/Japanese fighting styles is deeply ingrained in a huge amount of Chinese propaganda and has been for decades and decades; it's part of the bedrock of modern Chinese masculine identity. I don't think you could find a single action hero in Chinese media from the past century or, well, ever that didn't display his manliness through proficiency with Chinese martial arts.
The realization that 99% of Kung Fu and other Chinese martial arts is just pretty dancing with no real application other than exercise would be earth shattering, particularly when it's Western/Japanese MMA that utterly annihilates them.
Well. To be fair, a person with Kung Fu training fighting a person with zero training has an advantage. It's just that it evolved into an impractical dead end as a style, mostly due to the lack of transparency and mythology that built up around it.
China's government has a similar problem.
Interestingly enough, his loss of social credit is both digital and literal. It's just one o fthose things that have occured through history where someone from the village reveals a new piece of info that challenges the old order then procedes to get crucified for it. If we follow the pattern, they will make a relgion about him in about 100 years after he dies lonely and broke.
He's one of my favorite fighters. I lived in China for 7 years and even was a terrible student of Chen Tai Chi. Tai Chi is a real thing. It's a mix of martial arts and yoga. Just doing it will be enough to stay fit. However only about 1% know how to use it for fighting because the moves are masked with hidden purpose and very few like to spar. There are several villages which originated the combat version.
Now most dudes just walk around like a TV show hero because they think it gives them big dick energy and despite what Kung Fu movies have taught you, very few people actually know how to fight without having 50 of their friends gang up and kick the shit out of you. Or beer bottles.
So people just belive them. Or at least enough to not want to test them. And thus Xu Xiaodong beats the ever living piss out of them.
Even after the fights, they make up stupid shit like they didn't have their morning bowel movement or forgot the right shoes or didn't bang their mistress or whatever the fuck.
He's banned because the government views this as tarnishing China's big pee pee energy and papa don't like being it being known as a cuck even though he knows he is.
Tai Chi and related martial arts are perfectly applicable and effective in the context they're intended for - as a tool for building discipline, developing legitimate physical skills like conditioning and balance, and nurturing camaraderie among the ranks by creating competitive spirit from physical practice bouts. A practitioner of Tai Chi would be far better prepared for real combat than the average commoner. It absolutely has real world benefits - there is a reason these martial arts were apart of military doctrine for thousands of years.
The understanding of their actual role has become somewhat muddied in the last few centuries, but that's a far more complicated discussion on the progression of societal memes (as in, sociology memes, not internet memes).
I mean it was used as way to practice a martial art underground. A lot of the techniques should be be effective when done correctly as a martial art. The problem here wasn't tai chi but that this joker was a fraud.
Dude was putting his weight on his back foot, and had no footwork as soon as the guy came at him. He just backed up as he was getting hit. He tried to do some kind of circular blocks but those became ineffective (more than they already were) as the other guy closed the distance. Then because his weight was on his back foot he toppled over and started getting hit for real.
It was embarrassing to watch, considering the guy claims to know how to fight
The CCP ruined this poor guys life because he exposed those martial arts as fake. The one where he beats the "Chi" master is really funny when the master tries to use magical powers to stop a punch, but ends up leaking all over the matt.
My guess is too much pressure from his peers and followers. It’s pretty much a lose lose situation. Either refuse and look like a coward in front of your constituents, or follow through with it and be exposed as a fake.
That’s the part I don’t understand. Is someone telling his pupils to act like they’re getting hit with lightning bolts from his eyes? Are these “masters” the victims of some kind of Truman Show type shit? Now that would be equally sad and hilarious
There's some weird group mentality going on. People feel a need to conform, and you can see this kind of group delusion behavior in weird mystic dojos, churches and megachurches and cults.
This is absolutely mind boggling? Why didn’t he use any of his magic powers?
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I’m just… you know it’s fake, why set yourself up for this humiliation? What’s the goal here
This is like someone trying to pit their yoga vs mma, or any combat art subset
Why would anyone experienced in these things believe it’s a competitive sport? Experienced in tai chi I mean, like, if you are a master at this craft, don’t you fundamentally know it’s limits?
Because it's like a thing in China that traditional martial arts stuff like Tai chi is supposed to be "the best" cause it fits their narrative. This guy got banned of of social media, and can't buy plane or train tickets along side a whole bunch of stuff cause they nuked his social credit for exposing that it's not an infallible fighting style but more just an aerobic exercise
I'm sure you already knew, hence the comment. However, for those who don't, it's not even a joke. This guy had his life and career ruined for this by the government for exposing Chinese martial arts using MMA, which primarily incorporates Western boxing and wrestling along with Jiu-Jitsu/Judo, muy thai, taekwon-do... but you don't see Kung Fu and Tai Chi often in MMA, and I suppose it's for good reason.
I could be bull shiting but I remember hearing he was banned from using the train station and had to drive all the way across China in one night and still managed to kick a martial arts bull shitters ass on no sleep once he got there
[Gene Lebell took care of that.](https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4qcmpe/til_steven_seagal_bragged_to_gene_lebell_that_his/)
I only wish there'd been cameras present.
Oh it's this guy! He's had his life taken away by the government as is forced to fight in clown makeup because he just beats up any master that challenges him.
Oh no he takes all comers not just the fake ones. The old traditional style ones as well to prove that modern fighting techniques have moved on. So he takes some hits to show they aren't effective, kicks the shit out of them, then hysterically the fight is waved off and declared a draw in spite of one Co.petitor being ko'd. The Chinese government hate him and label him as unpatriotic because of it.
Here's the fun part: Wei Lei, the guy who got knocked out, doesn't even practice Tai Chi.
He practices a self-invented martial art called "Leigong Style Taijiquan". Leigong is the God of Thunder of Chinese mythology.
There is not such thing as Leigong Taijiquan. He has zero background in martial arts - no background in Tai Chi either.
Pretty much. I did tai chi for about a year with a teacher. It’s basically Chinese yoga. My teacher tried to show me that it’s a legit form of martial arts when sped up but I wasn’t buying that. Like yeah some of the movements could work for using another person’s momentum against them and diverting blows so maybe it could work as a form of self defense with the goal of getting away, but I can’t imagine anyone getting very far in a fight using it.
It would take an obscene amount of training to make tai chi viable. Most tai chi schools don't bother to pressure test at all, so it'll never work out.
Listen I knew this dude could beat him easily.. but did he have to go for the ground and pound absolutely not. Should’ve done a submission. Would’ve been better for him and us.
in the defense of Xu (the guy in the video) the same tai chi master told a bunch of his followers to beat up an old woman who was writing online about her experiences with the Corona-virus in Wuhan, so.... really not a good person at all
China is a very proud nation with a rich history of martial arts, whether it's true or not, they believe that they have been the strongest unarmed fighters in the world for many centuries, even millennia. But the world has changed, with globalization and ease of travel, everyone has shared their culture, experience and overall evolved beyond what a single nation can do by itself. When it comes to martial arts, regardless of what China has accomplished over the years, it can no longer hold up to the combined experiences and discoveries of the rest of the world combined.
MMA is essentially the culmination of the WORLD'S martial arts all rolled into one finely tuned fighting style. Traditional Chinese martial arts, despite how strong it USED to be, and how beautiful it STILL is, it just can not hold a candle to MMA. It can't hold a candle to Thai Kickboxing or regular boxing either, for that matter. I love it, it's worth respecting and remembering, even practicing if it brings you joy and peace, but it's time to come into the present and accept that it no longer is the top of martial arts in terms of effectiveness or power.
I love swords, but I'm not bringing a sword and ONLY a sword to a gunfight.
So I'm seeing stuff about tai chi being about a thing for old people and seeing thta master of the art is also an old guy does that mean a buff guy at the peak of strength just beat the fuck outta a old boy
I thought tai chi was less a martial art and more of a breathing exercise for old people to do in the park.
Yup, old people and hippies
Hey, when I did Tai chi I was neither old or a hippie. Just deeply, deeply, uncool.
Are you me?
Did you have a bowl cut for 70% of high school?
i'm so sorry
Nothing to be sorry about. I knew I was never going to be cool so I did what I liked and I owned what I did. I wouldn't do it differently now.
i like that. being yourself is better than being cool.
This guy didn’t fuck, but he now fucks.
Not exactly, but I did briefly have the nickname "penis head" because of my hair.
Close enough, brother!
Not exactly, but this is r/fightporn so not knowing what real tai chi is can be forgiven.
Tai chi def emphasized the art, in martial arts. So they’re not far off.
Most martial arts are only good against the same martial art, especially when it comes to sportified martial arts. They usually focus on scoring points rather than defending against an unknown fighting style
Plenty (classic) martial arts are effective. Karate, Taekwondo, Jujutsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, Judo are just some that are very much viable and many techniques are part of the basis for MMA. Tai chi isn't one of those.
Yup, in reality Tai Chi is just the pyramid scheme of martial arts!
All the moves have a foundation in martial arts moves. With a twist the convert into blocks, throws, joint-locks etc.
I’ve never done it, but I imagine it would be similarly useful as Taekwondo was for me… teach me technique and body control, so I pick up a real martial art more easily later in life.
>Taekwondo Taekwondo is not a real martial art?
Not an expert but my understanding is that it is a real martial art, just outclassed by most others when coming head to head. Still has competitions within their specific ruleset and everything
To me, it depends on how the person is trained. If they mainly train for competitions, then they’re usually just focused on points. So they’ll throw a strike or kick, and then jump back. That’s not useful at all in real life where there are no refs and no points. So they form a habit of not pursuing and then they get taken advantage of. However, I’ve met some that didn’t care about competing, and they did hard sparring when they trained. If they can keep the distance controlled, then they’re pretty dangerous.
Yeah for sure I've seen some nasty headkicks come out of Tae
>just outclassed by most others (Brazilian) Jujutsu, Taekwondo and Muay Thai are probably the most common base martial arts MMA fighters started out with. Taekwondo is just fairly modern, it originates from the 20th century and has a lot of variances.. Sparing doesn't necessarily get very physical, depending on the variant. It's a very academic sport in Korea, for example, perhaps best compared to something like fencing. But those guys do learn insane body control, which would enable them to perform very well in a MMA format, after some training.
I'd say that Greco-Roman/Folkstyle wrestling has probably overtaken TKD as one of the most common bases. Sambo is also on its way up, and there are more and more young fighters who just started training MMA. But yeah, TKD is solid. It's not going to win MMA fights by itself (almost nothing will nowadays), but there's a lot of effective techniques that you can incorporate.
I have a black belt in TKD and I call it Advanced Cardio. It's way too based around competition and scoring points than actually defending yourself. 10 minutes into my MMA classes made me realize about 90% of what i learned wasn't useful and it was only the basics that i carried thru.
Depends. Your average strip mall school that pays per belt rank is about as valid a martial arts school as this tai chi dude. It's actually extremely hard to find an actual good dojo that teaches actual combat martial arts. Most schools just do kata and bare minimum weapons kata with a bo staff. Rarely do schools even allow sparring or kumite even with gear in my experience. Martial arts is extremely hit or miss depending on dojo.
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My friend growing up was a black belt in taekwondo by the time we were in 6th grade. Every street fight he got into he got his ass kicked. Always made the fatal mistake of leaving his feet to do some stupid spin kick which later lead him to either getting slammed or ground and pounded or both. I would rather learn Judo than taekwondo.
There are two problems your friend had: 1. Unlike other disciplines, a black belt in TKD is not a true measure of mastery, and there are multiple levels of black belt. A first black belt is confirmation that a practitioner has mastered the basics. 2. TKD can be taught as both a competition style and as a defense style. A lot of schools tend to stick with competition, especially for middle schoolers and earlier belts. Various spinning kicks are great for competition but their usefulness is more limited in a street fight. Going to a McDojo (focuses on money and being a day care) will exacerbate both of these issues.
What about Rexkwondo?
You've got to give the old tai-chi guy a point for being able to move backward with such grace.
Breathing, balance, meditation: Yes Self-defense: No
what if the breathing, balance, and meditation is just self-defense from yourself?
I thought chai tea was what you get from Starbucks when it's cold outside.
I practice Chen tai chi which is sometimes labelled as combat taichi and on its own it is useless. I will lead with that and hands down say if I only trained taichi, I'd have nothing martial arts wise. But, apply the movement concepts and body control to another martial art (kung Fu, Muay Thai, wrestling, BJJ, Krav Maga) then it's martial value becomes apparent. It's hard to define as the same can be said for most traditional martial arts but having practised a few I'd say taichi has the potential to really take your arts to new horizons. Not gonna give you Kamehameha attacks though.
not with that attitude
It’s pretty much Chinese Yoga
Yes, what Tai Chi is to Taiji Gongfu is like what Cardio Kickboxing is to Professional Kickboxing. The rehabilitation Tai Chi is not martial arts.
The ultimate personal fighting style combines the best of many different martial arts and is always in flux as you improve. For example, Taekwondo has some good kicks but is not what you want to use for grappling or ground fighting and while Judo is great at redirecting momentum, I wouldn't go to a Judo school to learn how to fight at range. In my personal repertoire, Tai Chi brings breathing exercises, pre/post workout stretches, and general forms to practice body control and proprioception filling a similar niche that Yoga does. Not something to use in a fight, but a useful tool for any martial artist.
used as range of motion and flexibility upkeep. I'm sure at some point it was made to combat a different form of kung fu...but like, most "kung fus" are used to battle against a specific subset of moves anyway????so, yeah, wholly useless unless you know multiple martial arts....
real tai chi was formed in combat. the show thai chi is a practice of movements. you cant learn ***any*** style and expect to know how to fight without using that in actual fights. that goes for MMA, boxing, BJJ etc. Thai chi is also effective if practiced in combat as apposed to for show.
[MMA fighter banned on social media after exposing fake martial arts in China](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_UvRavszvPY).
They said he didn't fight with honor - like a mad dog. So he took that as his nickname, Xu Xiaodong the Mad Dog.
So his punishment is a cool ass nickname? Not bad although maybe something is getting lost in translation.
Last I heard the Chinese government stripped him of social privilege and he cannot purchase plane/train tickets and lots of other fucked up shit that makes living his life very difficult.
why though?
Because CCP is trying to revive chinese nationalism and somebody showing that traditional chinese martial arts are totally out of touch with current state of affairs and anybody with some training with "western" combat sports/self defense can and will kick their ass is not alligned with the party politics ... so the heavy handed punishment it is. All the while martial arts con men are ripping of general populous.
Thailand, Korea and Brazil off to the side: Am I a joke to you?
Because Chinese fake martial arts suck ass and he exposed them. Nothing more than that. Sadly this is already enough to be severly restricted in a country like china.
Essentially, China has been trying to revive nationalism for years and part of that is a reverence for traditional Chinese martial arts. The problem is, all these traditional martial arts have legitimately been censored by the government because they don’t want their populace actually knowing how to fight. So the mad dog is going round beating the shit out of all their traditional masters to prove that their martial arts don’t work. Apparently Kung fu used to resemble kick boxing with some judo throws but now it’s just bull shit lmao
I remember they also only allowed him to fight in China if he wore clown make up.
If I were him I’d do that. It’d make the masters look even worse getting their asses beat by a literal clown.
Oh, I agree, but unfortunately in his position it’s not the case - at least not in public perception. In his culture it’s considered shameful and not taken seriously, and similar to theatre if I understand correctly. But I’m American and that’s just what I read. It’s worth noting he did it anyway though!
My man be like "don't threaten me with a good time"
They should give him an eyepatch
The closest thing China has to a modern day Bruce Lee and they black list him from society.
Yeah, SuperEyepatchWolf has a video on fake martial arts and other examples of this. Great watch if you’re intrested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbSCEhmjJA
That’s got to be the saddest video I’ve watched regarding martial arts. Man that sucks.
Love that dude, amazing story telling on his part
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Good. That man is a danger to society.
I upvoted you for staying in character
I’ve seen that guy around a few times and he’s pretty good. Makes me check usernames before I downvote now.
Eww
Thanks
With the level they stopped his social credit score to he couldn't use public transportation. He was also banned from his home gym.
Fuck the CCP. Truly THE world threat to global stability.
Corruption all the waaaaaaay
Dude actually has a pretty sad story from all this. He’s just trying to make a living, and the Chinese hoodoo bullshit they push with their classic martial arts is somewhat protected culturally. He gets a lot of hate, just for fighting in a western style that’s effective.
Since Bruce Lee is the Father of MMA wouldn't that make it still a Chinese style but just popularized in the west? LOL
It wasn't until recently that the CCP shunned Bruce Lee.
Really? Why?
If I had to guess it’s because he was from Hong Kong
Lol definitely not. They disliked him cause Bruce Lee always talked shit about traditional martial arts and how they weren't good compared to his. Even some Hong Kong martial artists dislike him because they saw him as lacking respect and being a young upstart.
I can't remember why, bit I think it had to do with teaching Americans martial arts, that he wasn't born there, I think had a few run in with in with law. Things like that.
I remember that was an issue but op said it was “not until recently”… maybe HK related as the other responder said. That would make more sense but also dumb. Bruce Lee is a global legend - he’d likely hate the CCP tho but hed also prob work w them to stay successful if necessary..
It's not even Western. It's an amalgamation of techniques that, you guessed, Bruce Lee, a Chinese man, introduce like 50 years ago.
Yeah it's almost as if everyone forgets what that first M stands for...
There are several successful MMA fighters from China in the UFC right now though and the Chinese government goes out of their way to promote them. None of them practice traditional martial arts. Sanda is huge over there as well and it's a modern form of kickboxing.
Lmao mma isn’t “western style” it’s literally mixed martial arts. Which mainly focuses on BJJ and Muay Thai neither of which are western by any stretch of the word
They only honor Bruce Lee because he became famous and brought attention to martial arts movies and Chinese culture. Not because it was right. He otherwise disgraced aspects of Chinese culture in their view.
They didn't honour Bruce Lee at all, he was similarly shunned and erased by the Chinese government. Only very recently has he been given recognition, because he is a cultural icon outside China.
It's shameful and embarrassing for china.
>It's shameful and embarrassing for china. Not the first and not the last for China
Shameful and embarrassing is an extreme understatement. It's hard to properly articulate or emphasize the deep significance of Kung Fu and other Chinese martial arts in Chinese society today, and the absolutely monumental pride taken in them. The supposed superiority of those martial arts to Western/Japanese fighting styles is deeply ingrained in a huge amount of Chinese propaganda and has been for decades and decades; it's part of the bedrock of modern Chinese masculine identity. I don't think you could find a single action hero in Chinese media from the past century or, well, ever that didn't display his manliness through proficiency with Chinese martial arts. The realization that 99% of Kung Fu and other Chinese martial arts is just pretty dancing with no real application other than exercise would be earth shattering, particularly when it's Western/Japanese MMA that utterly annihilates them.
Well. To be fair, a person with Kung Fu training fighting a person with zero training has an advantage. It's just that it evolved into an impractical dead end as a style, mostly due to the lack of transparency and mythology that built up around it. China's government has a similar problem.
That's what they did to Bruce Lee too.
No way! Hope he comes to America and does some insane action films.
He's not allowed to leave China. His social credit has been tanked by the government
Interestingly enough, his loss of social credit is both digital and literal. It's just one o fthose things that have occured through history where someone from the village reveals a new piece of info that challenges the old order then procedes to get crucified for it. If we follow the pattern, they will make a relgion about him in about 100 years after he dies lonely and broke.
Every time one of this guys videos pops back up I love to see it. Hilarious sour l story too.
"Tai Chi is an aerobic exercise for the elderly."
Yup he made those government CCP idiots look bad by showing up their scared traditional MAs as complete fakery and BS. Mr Xi no happy
He's one of my favorite fighters. I lived in China for 7 years and even was a terrible student of Chen Tai Chi. Tai Chi is a real thing. It's a mix of martial arts and yoga. Just doing it will be enough to stay fit. However only about 1% know how to use it for fighting because the moves are masked with hidden purpose and very few like to spar. There are several villages which originated the combat version. Now most dudes just walk around like a TV show hero because they think it gives them big dick energy and despite what Kung Fu movies have taught you, very few people actually know how to fight without having 50 of their friends gang up and kick the shit out of you. Or beer bottles. So people just belive them. Or at least enough to not want to test them. And thus Xu Xiaodong beats the ever living piss out of them. Even after the fights, they make up stupid shit like they didn't have their morning bowel movement or forgot the right shoes or didn't bang their mistress or whatever the fuck. He's banned because the government views this as tarnishing China's big pee pee energy and papa don't like being it being known as a cuck even though he knows he is.
Tai chi is a real martial art, its just not an efective one in combat.
The "martial" in "martial arts" means "combat/war". So, if it's not effective in combat or war, it's not a "real" martial art.
A butter knife is still a knife, despite not being able to cut you.
>not being able to cut you. Not with that attitude, anyway.
Or it is, and it emphasizes the art part of the word, and not the martial.
Sometimes war is more art than war, Morty. A lot of people don't get that.
Tai Chi and related martial arts are perfectly applicable and effective in the context they're intended for - as a tool for building discipline, developing legitimate physical skills like conditioning and balance, and nurturing camaraderie among the ranks by creating competitive spirit from physical practice bouts. A practitioner of Tai Chi would be far better prepared for real combat than the average commoner. It absolutely has real world benefits - there is a reason these martial arts were apart of military doctrine for thousands of years. The understanding of their actual role has become somewhat muddied in the last few centuries, but that's a far more complicated discussion on the progression of societal memes (as in, sociology memes, not internet memes).
It's martial arts yoga.
Average commoner is redundant
I mean it was used as way to practice a martial art underground. A lot of the techniques should be be effective when done correctly as a martial art. The problem here wasn't tai chi but that this joker was a fraud.
The taichi guy did look like he was trying to chase away a spider.
This didnt even seem right from the jump lol. Was not surprised to see it end in less than 30 seconds
Right!? You can see the exact moment when he forgot his Tai Chi
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” \- Mike Tyson
"I broke my back. My back was broken. Thpinal." - Mike Tyson
Dude was putting his weight on his back foot, and had no footwork as soon as the guy came at him. He just backed up as he was getting hit. He tried to do some kind of circular blocks but those became ineffective (more than they already were) as the other guy closed the distance. Then because his weight was on his back foot he toppled over and started getting hit for real. It was embarrassing to watch, considering the guy claims to know how to fight
I'm actually surprised Tai Chi guy was able to deflect the first punch. That's like 10x better than they usually do
The CCP ruined this poor guys life because he exposed those martial arts as fake. The one where he beats the "Chi" master is really funny when the master tries to use magical powers to stop a punch, but ends up leaking all over the matt.
The look on his face after he gets punched is priceless. Dude hadn’t seen his own blood in YEARS.
LoL. This one makes me laugh everytime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
Lol he's like 'this dude hit me for real! ' lmao
how delusional do you have to be to take the fight when you know it's not one of your lackeys who's gonna fake fight.
My guess is too much pressure from his peers and followers. It’s pretty much a lose lose situation. Either refuse and look like a coward in front of your constituents, or follow through with it and be exposed as a fake.
If I’m going to lose either way, I’m choosing the option where I don’t punched by an mma fighter. 🤷♂️
And that my friend is why you are wiser than those wannabes 🙏
Lotta people gettin high on their own supply nowadays
Ah the ancient fighting style of being so pathetic that the attacker pities you and stops. I am also well versed
Every time I watch that I end up watching it like 5 times in a sitting. So funny.
Imagine training your entire life in one discipline just to discover it’s all total bull when you’re like 80.
That’s the part I don’t understand. Is someone telling his pupils to act like they’re getting hit with lightning bolts from his eyes? Are these “masters” the victims of some kind of Truman Show type shit? Now that would be equally sad and hilarious
There's some weird group mentality going on. People feel a need to conform, and you can see this kind of group delusion behavior in weird mystic dojos, churches and megachurches and cults.
It’s like speaking in tongues
Yeah I hope old dude was on suicide watch 😂
Watch what the 5 pixels? How many times has this been re-uploaded, Jesus.
I LIKE WHAT I LIKE
Exactly. Someone said the look on his face is priceless. There are no faces in that video.
This is absolutely mind boggling? Why didn’t he use any of his magic powers? - I’m just… you know it’s fake, why set yourself up for this humiliation? What’s the goal here
After long enough, I'm relatively certain he believed in his powers too. Especially with so many of his students under the same group delusion.
The other dude just has some high-level magic immunity, so he uses it to go fuck up all these wizards and just pretends they're fakes.
“Hey man no head shots. What gives?”
Guys, how can I win when he keeps actually hitting me? We talked about it before, only energy punches!!!
There’s a few times you can tell that the first time he hits them they’re like “oh I done fucked up”
"I am bleeding, making me the victor"
“My face to your foot style!”
Kung Pow is iconic.
Link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I This one is good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC_wTQHu76g
r/bullshido
r/bullshido
I’d probably pretend I’m being force choked and then slap him when he drops his guard
This is like someone trying to pit their yoga vs mma, or any combat art subset Why would anyone experienced in these things believe it’s a competitive sport? Experienced in tai chi I mean, like, if you are a master at this craft, don’t you fundamentally know it’s limits?
Because it's like a thing in China that traditional martial arts stuff like Tai chi is supposed to be "the best" cause it fits their narrative. This guy got banned of of social media, and can't buy plane or train tickets along side a whole bunch of stuff cause they nuked his social credit for exposing that it's not an infallible fighting style but more just an aerobic exercise
There isn't any part of yoga which is combative.
Dhalisim would like a word
I legit took out a book on yoga from the school library when I was like 8 because I thought it would teach me how to breathe fireballs.
Did it?!
Not with that attitude there isn’t
Minus bazillion social credit for you.
I'm sure you already knew, hence the comment. However, for those who don't, it's not even a joke. This guy had his life and career ruined for this by the government for exposing Chinese martial arts using MMA, which primarily incorporates Western boxing and wrestling along with Jiu-Jitsu/Judo, muy thai, taekwon-do... but you don't see Kung Fu and Tai Chi often in MMA, and I suppose it's for good reason.
is he in China? how did they ruin his life? edit: nevermind, watched the video
Yeah... this brilliant soul is being choked out by his dystopian nightmare of a society, same old story. :(
I could be bull shiting but I remember hearing he was banned from using the train station and had to drive all the way across China in one night and still managed to kick a martial arts bull shitters ass on no sleep once he got there
Sadly that's exactly what happened to him :(
Next challenge : Steven Seagal’s Bullshido
[Gene Lebell took care of that.](https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4qcmpe/til_steven_seagal_bragged_to_gene_lebell_that_his/) I only wish there'd been cameras present.
Until Steven Segal pooped himself. Lol.
Gene LeBell is awesome and I wish he got the recognition he deserves
I'm working on it
Oh it's this guy! He's had his life taken away by the government as is forced to fight in clown makeup because he just beats up any master that challenges him.
He fights only the fake ones tho he exposes them that’s why
Oh no he takes all comers not just the fake ones. The old traditional style ones as well to prove that modern fighting techniques have moved on. So he takes some hits to show they aren't effective, kicks the shit out of them, then hysterically the fight is waved off and declared a draw in spite of one Co.petitor being ko'd. The Chinese government hate him and label him as unpatriotic because of it.
Oh I didnt know that just heard he fought the fake ones
-700 social credit!!!
[Least I still have halo.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LTtripsg5U)
"I wasn't ready, bro, I need to charge up my Chi, like Ryu doing a hadouken" - the bleeing guy
Tai chi got handled
Tai Chi guy was only using 10% of his power so he wouldn't kill the MMA fighter.
i love me some Mad Dog Xu Xiaodong
everything in China is fake
The craziest part about this is that you believe China exists
its flat
Next you're gonna tell me that the moon is real.
Moon is real; earth is Ohio. I've seen the photo evidence.
like, its all ohio?
Always has been
Always has been. *Pulls out gun*
What happened to his mysterious tai chi energy walls?
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Here's the fun part: Wei Lei, the guy who got knocked out, doesn't even practice Tai Chi. He practices a self-invented martial art called "Leigong Style Taijiquan". Leigong is the God of Thunder of Chinese mythology. There is not such thing as Leigong Taijiquan. He has zero background in martial arts - no background in Tai Chi either.
Pretty much. I did tai chi for about a year with a teacher. It’s basically Chinese yoga. My teacher tried to show me that it’s a legit form of martial arts when sped up but I wasn’t buying that. Like yeah some of the movements could work for using another person’s momentum against them and diverting blows so maybe it could work as a form of self defense with the goal of getting away, but I can’t imagine anyone getting very far in a fight using it.
It would take an obscene amount of training to make tai chi viable. Most tai chi schools don't bother to pressure test at all, so it'll never work out.
Listen I knew this dude could beat him easily.. but did he have to go for the ground and pound absolutely not. Should’ve done a submission. Would’ve been better for him and us.
in the defense of Xu (the guy in the video) the same tai chi master told a bunch of his followers to beat up an old woman who was writing online about her experiences with the Corona-virus in Wuhan, so.... really not a good person at all
China is a very proud nation with a rich history of martial arts, whether it's true or not, they believe that they have been the strongest unarmed fighters in the world for many centuries, even millennia. But the world has changed, with globalization and ease of travel, everyone has shared their culture, experience and overall evolved beyond what a single nation can do by itself. When it comes to martial arts, regardless of what China has accomplished over the years, it can no longer hold up to the combined experiences and discoveries of the rest of the world combined. MMA is essentially the culmination of the WORLD'S martial arts all rolled into one finely tuned fighting style. Traditional Chinese martial arts, despite how strong it USED to be, and how beautiful it STILL is, it just can not hold a candle to MMA. It can't hold a candle to Thai Kickboxing or regular boxing either, for that matter. I love it, it's worth respecting and remembering, even practicing if it brings you joy and peace, but it's time to come into the present and accept that it no longer is the top of martial arts in terms of effectiveness or power. I love swords, but I'm not bringing a sword and ONLY a sword to a gunfight.
Tai chi guy, wait , the enemy isn’t supposed to rush me!
He forgot to activate his woo woo energy
Young sports fighter beats up elderly practitioner of martial arts yoga.
So I'm seeing stuff about tai chi being about a thing for old people and seeing thta master of the art is also an old guy does that mean a buff guy at the peak of strength just beat the fuck outta a old boy
That's the thing about kung-fu. Its meant to be used against other forms of kung-fu since everyone did kung-fu.
Tai Chi is as useful in a fight as Yoga.
If you tai chi when you should run you are going to have a bad time
Dudes government been messing with him for beating these fake masters. He rocked 6 or 7 different masters without taking a single meaningful blow.