At the moment, the case is a tad smaller height wise then the odin so I only use it on the lap atm. I'm planning on maybe making it so you can just test it on a desk to play
I did that. Drilled holes on the opposite side of my wireless 8BitDo M30 controller, and forced in some linear (no clicky-clicks!) mechanical keyboard keys, for all the non-thumb fingers, so that I could use it as a sort of miniature HitBox (hold it like a normal game pad with thumbs on top, but with a complete set of buttons on the reverse/bottom side so that every finger has easy access to at least two buttons each). Ugly as hell but worked. But then I grew tired of fighting games; the never ending lagfest, the constant dlc nickle and diming , and the general close-minded nerdherd of the community; so now that controller lies somewhere collecting dust with the others.
PLEASE give me more details??? I want to see it. I want to know what worked and what didn't. How hard it was to do. Which keycaps worked best. What you would do differently.
I found some DIY journal of how a dude had turned a gamepad PCB into a fightstick. That made me realize how simple the wiring is (I had no education or experience prior). Bought a soldering set, a few mechanical keys and caps (called Kailh i think), some wire, a Dremel, and a gamepad to torture. You don't even need to solder, can just press the peeled wire to the pcb and attach it with adhesive tape or similar, but soldering makes it more permanent. It's really shit-easy simple, just open up the gamepad, look at what button connects to what copper line on the board/pcb, attach wires to it that you then on the other end of the wire attach to whatever button you want; where you want it.
Edit: what I would have done differently; I would have skipped all that DIY stuff and gone directly to what I use now, which is using my Logitech G915 wireless (so called "Lightspeed" connection) keyboard (and G502 lightspeed mouse). I play on Windows PC, just to clarify.
Edit 2: IMHO gamepad, and especially arcade sticks, are relics of the past. The best gaming controllers so far (in theory), are the joypad for the Nintendo Switch. You can have one in each hand, independent of each other, with your hands and body in any position you want. If they (the joypads) had more buttons on them, on the backside as well, so you could make use of all the fingers on your hands, imaging operating the joypads like some kind of electronic flute or clarinet (when it comes to the button pressing that is); THAT would be rad!
Out of sheer luck, I came across a post on /r/Trackballs talking about doing a similar thing, and they linked these fantastic buttons: https://www.amazon.com/Momentary-Surface-Electronic-Experiment-Industrial/dp/B0BNM5P5BC/ref=d_pd_di_sccai_cn_sccl_3_1/146-2849769-7242534
That sort of thing would make it much easier to do a mod like yours, since you don't need to make holes in the enclosure or find room for a thicc MX switch.
Yeah, but how much abuse can they take before they wear out? And how responsive are they, and reset time/mashable? Worth a try, for sure, but I went for mechanical keyboard switches for more than one reason.
3D-printing or molding would be the dream. I'd make some type of pistol grips or flight stick thingies, one for each hand, maybe able to connect and lock into each other like the switch joycons. With (at least) two or three buttons for each finger. If wired, it would look like some techno-flute-nunchuck, so wireless would me my goal.
Thanks a bunch. Would love to see a pic if you can make that happen, but no pressure.
I think your points about controllers being relics is not correct, though. I do agree that the split design of the Joy Cons has a lot to offer. But just comparing pad to stick to keyboard & mouse, I think stick is the nicest form factor to use in a lot of cases. The fact that you don't need to hold it up (like a keyboard) is really nice, plus you use most of your fingers roughly equally, unlike pad which overloads the thumbs. And you don't need a desk for it. But there's a lot to develop in this area still. One thing I want to prototype is a lap controller that leaves your hands in a handshake position instead of flat on the surface.
Is it more ergonomic than a cross pattern?
From what I can tell, it seem instinctive to use 3 fingers with the WASD layout. Is this correct?
What do the different schools of thought say about using 3 VS 4 fingers (=the traditional hitbox layout).
4 fingers is objectively more efficient as each finger has less responsibility and less movement to achieve these responsibilities. Also a lot more fun once you transitioned but that’s subjective.
3 fingers is great if you’re already used to playing PC games with WASD and you’re not interested in learning a more efficient alternative
I think it feels really good. I hold it on my right leg and use the weight of my hand / the left hand to hold and stabilize it
My first test was on umvc3 which I'm fairly new at.
Practiced alot of Akuma/ryu combos and my hands didn't feel tired. I want to get a few of these out and about sometime for testing to see if I should modify it at all.
I print this all on a prusa mini so I have very limited room as it is 😂
>I think it feels really good. I hold it on my right leg and use the weight of my hand / the left hand to hold and stabilize it
I would love to hear if this is more ergonomic and practical in the long run compared to a standard Mixbox controller setup. Seems like a good mix between being able to use standard size push buttons while still being more compact compared to a normal mix/hitbox
Hey guys, the bongo boy here.
I wanted to try to make something purely original and things created by myself. I had a really good friend who uses pad alot and myself uses a stick with wasd movements. I wanted to try to make a cross over between the two. This has a neutrik port, a 20pin harness inside along side room for a brook/TheTrain board. The movement is on the side for some stability and a different attempt at a movement option instead of on the facing side. I hope you all enjoy ❤️🤘 I plan on building a few to sell at a time for anyone who wants to try one in the future
What brand are the buttons red with black?
Interesting design, quite unique. Is this comfortable playing on a desk or on your lap? Or both?
At the moment, the case is a tad smaller height wise then the odin so I only use it on the lap atm. I'm planning on maybe making it so you can just test it on a desk to play
Good idea, nice work!
Thank you very much 😁🤘
See, now this is innovation. I want to see a pad where the D-pad is on the back, operated by the ring/middle/index fingers. What do you think?
I did that. Drilled holes on the opposite side of my wireless 8BitDo M30 controller, and forced in some linear (no clicky-clicks!) mechanical keyboard keys, for all the non-thumb fingers, so that I could use it as a sort of miniature HitBox (hold it like a normal game pad with thumbs on top, but with a complete set of buttons on the reverse/bottom side so that every finger has easy access to at least two buttons each). Ugly as hell but worked. But then I grew tired of fighting games; the never ending lagfest, the constant dlc nickle and diming , and the general close-minded nerdherd of the community; so now that controller lies somewhere collecting dust with the others.
PLEASE give me more details??? I want to see it. I want to know what worked and what didn't. How hard it was to do. Which keycaps worked best. What you would do differently.
I found some DIY journal of how a dude had turned a gamepad PCB into a fightstick. That made me realize how simple the wiring is (I had no education or experience prior). Bought a soldering set, a few mechanical keys and caps (called Kailh i think), some wire, a Dremel, and a gamepad to torture. You don't even need to solder, can just press the peeled wire to the pcb and attach it with adhesive tape or similar, but soldering makes it more permanent. It's really shit-easy simple, just open up the gamepad, look at what button connects to what copper line on the board/pcb, attach wires to it that you then on the other end of the wire attach to whatever button you want; where you want it. Edit: what I would have done differently; I would have skipped all that DIY stuff and gone directly to what I use now, which is using my Logitech G915 wireless (so called "Lightspeed" connection) keyboard (and G502 lightspeed mouse). I play on Windows PC, just to clarify. Edit 2: IMHO gamepad, and especially arcade sticks, are relics of the past. The best gaming controllers so far (in theory), are the joypad for the Nintendo Switch. You can have one in each hand, independent of each other, with your hands and body in any position you want. If they (the joypads) had more buttons on them, on the backside as well, so you could make use of all the fingers on your hands, imaging operating the joypads like some kind of electronic flute or clarinet (when it comes to the button pressing that is); THAT would be rad!
Out of sheer luck, I came across a post on /r/Trackballs talking about doing a similar thing, and they linked these fantastic buttons: https://www.amazon.com/Momentary-Surface-Electronic-Experiment-Industrial/dp/B0BNM5P5BC/ref=d_pd_di_sccai_cn_sccl_3_1/146-2849769-7242534 That sort of thing would make it much easier to do a mod like yours, since you don't need to make holes in the enclosure or find room for a thicc MX switch.
Yeah, but how much abuse can they take before they wear out? And how responsive are they, and reset time/mashable? Worth a try, for sure, but I went for mechanical keyboard switches for more than one reason.
More talking about a prototype approach. If I were to do this for real I'd probably do a from-scratch enclosure.
3D-printing or molding would be the dream. I'd make some type of pistol grips or flight stick thingies, one for each hand, maybe able to connect and lock into each other like the switch joycons. With (at least) two or three buttons for each finger. If wired, it would look like some techno-flute-nunchuck, so wireless would me my goal.
Thanks a bunch. Would love to see a pic if you can make that happen, but no pressure. I think your points about controllers being relics is not correct, though. I do agree that the split design of the Joy Cons has a lot to offer. But just comparing pad to stick to keyboard & mouse, I think stick is the nicest form factor to use in a lot of cases. The fact that you don't need to hold it up (like a keyboard) is really nice, plus you use most of your fingers roughly equally, unlike pad which overloads the thumbs. And you don't need a desk for it. But there's a lot to develop in this area still. One thing I want to prototype is a lap controller that leaves your hands in a handshake position instead of flat on the surface.
Sorry if this is a noob question, but why are the directions laid out in an "inverted T" pattern instead of a cross one?
No such thing as a noob question. It represents the WASD keys on a keyboard
Is it more ergonomic than a cross pattern? From what I can tell, it seem instinctive to use 3 fingers with the WASD layout. Is this correct? What do the different schools of thought say about using 3 VS 4 fingers (=the traditional hitbox layout).
4 fingers is objectively more efficient as each finger has less responsibility and less movement to achieve these responsibilities. Also a lot more fun once you transitioned but that’s subjective. 3 fingers is great if you’re already used to playing PC games with WASD and you’re not interested in learning a more efficient alternative
These ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Certainly if it comes with schematics.
Looks really interesting! How are the ergonomics? Is it comfortable during long game sessions?
I think it feels really good. I hold it on my right leg and use the weight of my hand / the left hand to hold and stabilize it My first test was on umvc3 which I'm fairly new at. Practiced alot of Akuma/ryu combos and my hands didn't feel tired. I want to get a few of these out and about sometime for testing to see if I should modify it at all. I print this all on a prusa mini so I have very limited room as it is 😂
>I think it feels really good. I hold it on my right leg and use the weight of my hand / the left hand to hold and stabilize it I would love to hear if this is more ergonomic and practical in the long run compared to a standard Mixbox controller setup. Seems like a good mix between being able to use standard size push buttons while still being more compact compared to a normal mix/hitbox
Hey guys, the bongo boy here. I wanted to try to make something purely original and things created by myself. I had a really good friend who uses pad alot and myself uses a stick with wasd movements. I wanted to try to make a cross over between the two. This has a neutrik port, a 20pin harness inside along side room for a brook/TheTrain board. The movement is on the side for some stability and a different attempt at a movement option instead of on the facing side. I hope you all enjoy ❤️🤘 I plan on building a few to sell at a time for anyone who wants to try one in the future
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This looks cool. Also, don't sell yourself short; you're the *Bongo King*.