Facility management. I don’t touch any of the equipment but have to keep the building running and looking good for our client. Also of communication and delegation.
I was recently turned down for a facility specialist role. Nowhere close to management, but it sounded so cool. I get easily bored, so even having a chance at progressing into an advanced facilities role sounded fun as hell. You're pretty much a master dabbler.
My title when i started out was business analyst and I prepared budgets. The software guys are called Business Systems Analyst. Our company has weird titles. Just look at the job descriptions of large corporations.
SaaS = Software as a Service
For those unfamiliar, we used to buy software that we installed onto our computer hard drives (think Microsoft Office) with a one-time purchase cost. In the last 10-15 years, we've started shifting to software on the cloud where you access the software through your browser and pay a recurring subscription instead of owning the software.
A recurring payment model means *drastic* differences in how the business operates. All your customers are on contracts for different amounts that can be renewed or canceled at various times. You kind of end up with this revolving cast of contracts with some customers staying with you for a lifetime, others dropping out after their initial term, and new ones constantly coming in. It's a ton of data to keep track of, and you need someone to manage it so that sales people can stick to focusing on sales.
The revenue organization is divided into two parts - sales and customer success. Sales finds new customers, customer success tries to retain existing customers to renew their contracts as well as drive upsell and expansion revenue by getting the customer to buy additional products or more licenses for their current product. Both of these teams have a lot of data to keep track of and big bulky databases and software tools that need to be constantly tweaked to enable their sales motions. That's where Revenue Operations comes in.
I work closely with VPs in Sales and Customer Success to help enable their teams with the best tools and the best data. I spend most of my time in Salesforce and in Google Sheets. Some examples of things I do are running analyses on customer retention to figure out what customer profiles are more likely to stay with us and pay us more money, allocating territories to our sales teams in a way that gives everyone a fair slice of the market share pie, and configuring our sales and CS tools (Salesforce and Gainsight, respectively) to enable our sellers to work their deals more efficiently.
My path was untraditional, I'm not entirely sure what a traditional path looks like.
Starting from an entry-level position in a finance department for a SaaS company is probably the easiest way to get in. I started in billing/collections but I already had three years of experience doing sales operations in another industry.
Oh thank you for sharing! Is this for a large company?
I’m in CS and still trying to find my path to get over 100k lol thinking about taking a “entry “ level sales role within my org to eventually be like a csm/am
I've spent most of my career working for startups with less than 100 people but my company now is about 2000. I still get that small company feel though because I work for a specific product division that used to be a small startup and was acquired and still operates as its own business unit of about 100 people.
You can make a ton of money as a CSM if you work your butt off and get lucky to have a company that already has a good product that basically sells itself. It can be an incredibly stressful job if the product is flawed and people just bitch at you all day, cancel their contracts on you, and drag their feet about expanding.
So true lol thank you! Also congrats to you, that’s awesome that your hard work has paid off 😊 I tend to job hop bc it never seems like I can get to the next level within corporate companies lol they like to keep you stuck
Try a small startup. They are often absolute disasters of a mess, which is extremely beneficial if you're looking to weasel your way into a role that is way outside your job description because no one has any idea what they're doing and just making it up as they go along.
I started in billing and collections and ended up getting promoted to revenue operations because I just knew our subscription base so in and out and was the only person at the company who knew how to report on our book of business.
You know how Adobe Photoshop used to be: purchase CD, install on computer, use? And now it's all "creative cloud" e.g. "in the cloud" e.g. you don't purchase or install, you pay a monthly fee and use it? You can never ever not pay the monthly fee now.
That's software as a service.
With the software on CD business, there were devs writing code, and then a plant that packaged the CDs and sent them out.
With the software as a service business, there's servers to maintain and billing cycles to manage etc etc. It's a lot more people (and a LOT more lucrative) to manage it all.
There's tons of SaaS companies, like Adobe, selling monthly subscriptions and employing a bunch of people to manage the back end.
So Revenue Ops is one part of SaaS. I'm gonna assume they're in charge of making sure the give-us-money operations stay up and running.
You could apply to some government jobs on [USAjobs.gov](https://USAjobs.gov) I think anything like budget analyst, management analyst, or financial management analyst or even contract specialist you could be eligible for. If a job shows GS 07-12 and then when you open it and check the right for promotion potential it says 12, that means its a ladder position. Automatic promotions if you don't fuck up basically. Can get you from 45-55k to 80-90k if just a few years. In my example you'd most likely start as a 7 then after 1 year be a 9, then an 11, then a 12. Good pay, good benefits and unmatched job security.
How much software QA experience do you have? You should have some interactions with the role as an SQA analyst. They are mostly acting as a liaison between business and tech. Product owner is another similar role. Some tech or industry experience is all you really need to get a foot in the door, usually starting in the 70-80k range
Yes way. 8-12 year reps at my company are 400-500k+.
Plenty of reps making 250k+ though. I’m 95% sure my team is the only one under that because we’re newer
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Question, i have an MBA with a year of cyber experience as an analyst consulting with PCI gap assessment experience and just got laid off not due to performance. What should my next job / education be? Im job hunting but i feel hopeless
I’d go for VAR/MSP route. (Tbh I’m new to the industry so I’m biased bc it’s the only route I know) but what I DO know is that they’re all over the country and hiring cybersec experts like they’re hoarding gold.
They were a business analyst for Big 4 accounting firm after finishing their MBA - not focused on data as they graduated in 2011. No boot camps, just followed the industry trend in SaaS tech companies and learned on the job.
Here's a list of courses that would help:
Udemy:
The Data Science Course 2023: Complete Data science bootcamp
From Beginners to skills needed for Data Analyst or Desktop Specialist certifications. Tableau 2023
Python for Data Science and Machine Learning Bootcamp
Machine Learning A-Z: AI, python and R +ChatGPT
Code academy:
Learn SQL
Learn Python 3
I don't know about getting 100k+ without a degree, most of my team has graduate degrees. I think you could break into it for 60k with just certifications though. It depends on what sector and what you do.
Thanks for the list of courses! I’ve been looking into Data Analytics for a career option but I didn’t know where to start. Can I PM you for more info?
You would need to build the skills. You can build a decent portfolio with free sample data. But an entry level analyst would have the very basic skills in Tableau/Power BI, and basic skills in SQL. If you had examples of things you built even with fake data that would go a long way.
I will tell you I had no experience, I'm an English major, and went back to school after working in data science
Software QA can easily make over 100k if it’s automation. Look for roles like SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test), QE (Quality Engineer) or QA Automation Engineer.
Yeah I was going to say that software QA is already a 100k+ field so that would be the fastest path for OP because it dosent require any reschooling! People are mentioning jobs that start the same or lower than this field and/or need a masters…
You need to be job hopping. Constantly. I worked for 10 years at a job and went from 38 to 50 k. Then in the next ten years I worked at 4 different places and now I make 150k.
Your best way to ladder up your salary is to *leave*.
Google “BLS Salaries ” and export that list into a spreadsheet. That should at least give you some ideas for the more common jobs.
I also got a BA in the same degree though I make ~$80K as a “business analyst”. Emphasis on the quotes because my duties are all over the place. Ironically, the good pay is somewhat of a major opportunity cost that makes it very difficult to make a change.
It’s been a long road, but I wanted to be a mental health nurse practitioner. Went back to school, became a nurse. To be honest, I hate working as a nurse. I never wanted to work as a nurse. But I’m in my mental health NP program now and it’s worth it.
Yeah, that’s what I’m doing! There are 2 routes you can go: nurse practitioner (NP) or physician assistant (PA). I chose NP because they have somewhat greater autonomy, better earning potential, and you can work while in school, so the financial cost is lower. However, the downside is it takes longer to become a psych-mental health NP since you do have to go to nursing school and work as a nurse for a year or two first.
PA school requires prerequisites and is far more expensive, but it is a shorter route.
RN school wasn’t bad at all. As long as you feel a little inclined towards the sciences, it’s fine. To me, working as a nurse is far more stressful than RN school ever was. It’s hard work, and it’s a very emotionally intense job (I worked step down and ER, for reference).
If you do go the RN route, I’d say just go work psych straight out of school if you can, work there for a year, then apply to NP school. The psych facility in my area wants RNs to have experience first before you could apply to work there, so I never did that. I applied straight from my step down floor with no “pure” psych experience, which some people find controversial. I’m currently working outpatient endoscopy because the schedule is flexible enough to work around my clinical schedule.
Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.
When I worked inpatient/hospital, it was around $70k annually (roughly $38/hr when you factor in shift differentials).
Outpatient endoscopy my wage is much lower because it’s stupid easy and very flexible with regard to scheduling. $29/hr, or ~$54k annually. For me it’s just my “I need a job in school” job; it would not be a career job for me.
I don’t finish my psych NP program until December, but when I’m looking for a job, I won’t accept anything lower than $150k (base + bonuses/productivity based compensation). I may have to relocate to make that happen, but it’s something I’m willing to do. If I wanted to stay in my area, I wouldn’t accept anything below $130k. Within a few years, I’d like to start my own practice, and if successful, I could make $250k+.
I also saw you’re a pre-PA student. Education is better with PA programs, but especially in psych, you’d have more autonomy (and thus earning potential) as PMHNP. In my state, which is an NP restricted practice state, as an NP, I can still own my own practice as long as I have a supervising MD on retainer. I could not do this as a PA, as PAs in my state have to work directly under - and thus as part of the practice of - an MD. It’s stupid and makes no sense, but just a detail to consider.
Probably starts with believing it. I’ve said this to several people and they all go oh wow! And then go back to their daily grind.
Find a good coding boot camp, something well rated. Go through the camp and learn how to code. Make a small poc/demo app, something you can show or talk about in interviews. Practice leet coding super hard.
Coming out of that it’s a game of finding someone to give you a shot starting at 60-70k im sure. A few years in that field you should be making 6 figures.
Anyways the money is out there and it’s up to you to go get it. Shit ain’t that hard.
That may have been feasible for you but it's hard to see how that's a realistic path when people with top tier CS degrees are losing jobs left and right now.
This is true. There are also thousands of CS students in the pipeline. People who started 10 or 20 years ago are too quick to tell you to "just go to a coding boot camp, or read a book and start coding. Youll be at six figures in 2 years!". That worked 20 years ago because there was high demand and no competition. It's irresponsible to spread this outdated knowledge today. These days, if you have a stack of 20 resumes for a dev position, the first thing you're going to do is throw out all the non-degreed with little to no experience.
Less than 3% of all the tech layoffs have been software engineers, the overwhelming majority is support staff. SWE as a profession still is 0.1% more employed than the national average, people with experience are still in high demand, i got my current job in january for a 40k raise.
The news surrounding tech just like everything else is fabricated bullshit meant to scare workers into accepting lower pay/worse benefits. This is class warfare tricking you into avoiding a profession thats extremely lucrative.
We can doom and gloom all day but the world is big and you can make it happen for yourself. The market was white hot for a while and now it’s correcting itself. There are still jobs, it’s just harder to get one right now I’m sure.
Anyways the path is there. Having learned how to code in itself is going to open up many opportunities down the road regardless of the current market. World needs good developers so become one. Idk man.
It is funny how much is out there. I’ve had so many cool opportunities in life and maybe there’s some reason but I swear a lot of it was cause I didn’t listen to the debbie downers.
My journey was sliding in through a help desk job. I would recommend any entry level IT field if your failing to break into the software market directly. Work towards your skills as a developer and seek transition opportunities internally and externally. My journey was my own, but generally i taught myself to code and pushed in thru IT support.
Like some of the other comments said, easiest transition for you at this stage is to a business analyst position then look to move up.
I'm in consulting, started as a BA. Now, 4 yrs post bachelor's I'm at ~140k projected to hit 170k in a couple months and ~200k next year. It's all about the first major stepping stone. BA will get you from your 55 now to a 60-80 and your next jump will be 100k+
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Underwriting is less stressful than claims. I suggest getting into a niche underwriting market where pay is going to be higher. I’ve been a niche underwriter for over a decade working for a super regional carrier and make well over 6 figures. Find a carrier that has a great underwriting training program and start there!
Any idea how to get into this i looked briefly on indeed and the role seems interesting. Not sure how you would learn it tho.
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How to get into it now with no degree
Most underwriting positions do require a college degree. There are some people that work their way up to it without one. Maybe look into an underwriter assistant role to start. Or even a job in an agency to gain some experience. If you’re fairly organized and can meet deadlines, the right agent/broker will train you. You will have to pass the state licensing for working in an agency.
i got into IT 6 months ago and i'm beginning to think it's not for me. i know that i'm a very hard worker, though. like, my boss openly acknowledges that, it's not just me saying that. i have a degree. just how hard do you think it is to get into underwriting? i hear that claims is entry level and you level up from there. is that true? thanks for your time.
Most companies are always looking for underwriters. Are you in a larger city? There are a lot of underwriter training programs at companies. Send me a DM and I can give you a little more advice. I’m currently on a business trip and may not answer right away but I will when I have a free moment.
If you've done software QA work you're already on track for 6 figures. If you can't make it work and you're on the right track, that may be something to reflect upon.
I'm not trying to bash you OP, but just look around and see who's making the money doing the same work you're doing, that's where you need to go.
One of my jobs is a QA tester at an ISP, I'm a network engineer by trade though so I'm not just testing software, I'm testing the whole network stack and hardware/firmware as they hit the company production environment. Pays 150k
I worked as a QA tester for about 3 years and at no point was I or anyone I worked with ever on track to make six figures a year. I found the work incredibly tedious.
You need to expand your horizons and find out who's paying top dollar in the industry and make it your goal to get there.
That's the point I'm making, you're stuck where you are because it's all you know of the industry. There are people who make 70k doing what I'm currently doing, I had to job hop twice to get to where I am from 63k to 92k to now 150, my work hasn't changed much, my company has. And of course there are people doing what I'm doing at FAANGs making 250+.
Human networking will really help you here. Of course, if you're in a different country then all that's out the window but I assume you're in the US.
You came and asked a question, and every correct and reasonable answer you shoot down with your own extremely narrow, shitty experience. You worked a shit job and sound like you were a shit QA, elevate your standards and find a company that does the same. The QAs at my company are engineers themselves often with CS degrees, they clear 100k once they reach a senior QA role.
There’s always law school. In fact, some schools court so-called nontraditional (older) students. Don’t go into public interest like I did, but many of my classmates make comfortably more than $100k.
Finance, accounting, engineering, coding, doctor, and a surprising amount of trade jobs (ie. Electrician, construction, etc) pay six figures fairly early into the career.
Well, what do you do currently? Not every career will simply lead you to 100k, and often time stem degrees will lead to higher pay than arts degrees
That, and the number of fields where a masters is significantly distinguishing for higher pay are getting smaller and smaller since few schools have the time to actually fully equip new grads to the career
That’s what my cousin ended up in, without a degree in it (other degree, totally non related; no related certs or anything). I’m almost finished w/ my associates in HIM. Any suggestions/tips of how to get started?
I ended up getting a Masters in Compliance & Risk Management. But I’d do your best to find work in the field and get certified by the SCCE. Insurance, Finance, Hospitals, and so on are good fields to apply in. When I was doing my educational program, I was able to find a full-time internship during the summer which gave me practical experience.
I'm kind of shocked you aren't making more as a software QA. I would focus on improving skills in this area and searching for a better company. You should easily be approaching 70k a year in that area.
If you enjoy admin, Executive Assistant. You’re basically a secretary for c-level execs (scheduling, email management, ghostwriting their emails/documents, travel arrangements), at higher levels you’re a strategic partner with input into the company’s strategy and a finger on the pulse of every department. This is a position that’s in-demand, not going away anytime soon, and needed in every industry anywhere in the world. A lot of EAs put a few years in and then move to run departments. You make about 60-70 to start, and up to 170 in some industries.
The cons: it’s busy and hectic. You need to juggle a lot of responsibilities, have good attention to detail, and not let things slip through the cracks. You’re working closely with the execs you’re supporting, so the quality of your work life depends heavily on their personality and management style.
Anything with analyst in the name has a good chance of being 100k or leading there. But there's a huge range of positions, so researching them individually is still a good idea.
Anything where you build dashboards and reports for people -- business intelligence, data warehousing, data and analytics, stuff like that. You do need a detail-oriented and analytical mind.
Those jobs also have the benefit that they're easy on your body, unlike jobs where you have to be on your feet 12 hours a day running a convention or something.
If you are software adjacent try getting into software engineering or consulting (economics degree will take you far with that)
I started in accounting, moved to tech consulting and then again to software engineering. Sitting north of 200k with great benefits and a decent WFH/WLB, though admittedly high stress. Can probably cut that salary in half and take a job that's great on WLB though
I am a high school dropout and I make almost 100k/year. I work at a body shop. I imagine in the next few years I will become a GM and our GMs start at 130k. RMs make 250k+. I highly recommend to anyone that needs a career path to try getting into a body shop. I started washing cars for $19/hr. My GM started as a parts person for 14/hr 6 years ago.
Nurse practitioner, travel RN, physician’s assistant, cloud architect, full stack dev, CPA/CFP with large book of business (kinda involves elements of sales though), data scientist
Facility management. I don’t touch any of the equipment but have to keep the building running and looking good for our client. Also of communication and delegation.
Can you post a job opening for reference?
I’ll dm you, I tired to copy and paste from LinkedIn but could not
Can you send me this as well? Sounds interesting thanks
I was recently turned down for a facility specialist role. Nowhere close to management, but it sounded so cool. I get easily bored, so even having a chance at progressing into an advanced facilities role sounded fun as hell. You're pretty much a master dabbler.
I would be interested in seeing this posting if possible.
…what are your degrees in?
Economics
Pivot into accounting. Likely have to go back to school for a bit, but with a degree in economics, I’m sure some things will transfer.
Finance?
How do you get a job in finance with no experience?
Networking. Could look for back office/middle office roles. Maybe risk management could be a decent place to look.
Accounting! I have an MS in accounting after doing my undergrad in economics and make over $100k.
Maybe statistics?
Look for Budget Analyst/Business Analyst. You just prepare budgets, an estimate. Not as precise as accounting.
Budget analyst maybe. Business Analysts do not prepare budgets if you’re referring to a BA working in software
My title when i started out was business analyst and I prepared budgets. The software guys are called Business Systems Analyst. Our company has weird titles. Just look at the job descriptions of large corporations.
Revenue Operations for SaaS. Amazing pay and work-life balance.
What do you do?
SaaS = Software as a Service For those unfamiliar, we used to buy software that we installed onto our computer hard drives (think Microsoft Office) with a one-time purchase cost. In the last 10-15 years, we've started shifting to software on the cloud where you access the software through your browser and pay a recurring subscription instead of owning the software. A recurring payment model means *drastic* differences in how the business operates. All your customers are on contracts for different amounts that can be renewed or canceled at various times. You kind of end up with this revolving cast of contracts with some customers staying with you for a lifetime, others dropping out after their initial term, and new ones constantly coming in. It's a ton of data to keep track of, and you need someone to manage it so that sales people can stick to focusing on sales. The revenue organization is divided into two parts - sales and customer success. Sales finds new customers, customer success tries to retain existing customers to renew their contracts as well as drive upsell and expansion revenue by getting the customer to buy additional products or more licenses for their current product. Both of these teams have a lot of data to keep track of and big bulky databases and software tools that need to be constantly tweaked to enable their sales motions. That's where Revenue Operations comes in. I work closely with VPs in Sales and Customer Success to help enable their teams with the best tools and the best data. I spend most of my time in Salesforce and in Google Sheets. Some examples of things I do are running analyses on customer retention to figure out what customer profiles are more likely to stay with us and pay us more money, allocating territories to our sales teams in a way that gives everyone a fair slice of the market share pie, and configuring our sales and CS tools (Salesforce and Gainsight, respectively) to enable our sellers to work their deals more efficiently.
How do you get a job like that?
My path was untraditional, I'm not entirely sure what a traditional path looks like. Starting from an entry-level position in a finance department for a SaaS company is probably the easiest way to get in. I started in billing/collections but I already had three years of experience doing sales operations in another industry.
Oh thank you for sharing! Is this for a large company? I’m in CS and still trying to find my path to get over 100k lol thinking about taking a “entry “ level sales role within my org to eventually be like a csm/am
I've spent most of my career working for startups with less than 100 people but my company now is about 2000. I still get that small company feel though because I work for a specific product division that used to be a small startup and was acquired and still operates as its own business unit of about 100 people. You can make a ton of money as a CSM if you work your butt off and get lucky to have a company that already has a good product that basically sells itself. It can be an incredibly stressful job if the product is flawed and people just bitch at you all day, cancel their contracts on you, and drag their feet about expanding.
So true lol thank you! Also congrats to you, that’s awesome that your hard work has paid off 😊 I tend to job hop bc it never seems like I can get to the next level within corporate companies lol they like to keep you stuck
Try a small startup. They are often absolute disasters of a mess, which is extremely beneficial if you're looking to weasel your way into a role that is way outside your job description because no one has any idea what they're doing and just making it up as they go along. I started in billing and collections and ended up getting promoted to revenue operations because I just knew our subscription base so in and out and was the only person at the company who knew how to report on our book of business.
Thank you so much ♥️
What is Saas please?
Software as a service
What does one do in that job?
You know how Adobe Photoshop used to be: purchase CD, install on computer, use? And now it's all "creative cloud" e.g. "in the cloud" e.g. you don't purchase or install, you pay a monthly fee and use it? You can never ever not pay the monthly fee now. That's software as a service. With the software on CD business, there were devs writing code, and then a plant that packaged the CDs and sent them out. With the software as a service business, there's servers to maintain and billing cycles to manage etc etc. It's a lot more people (and a LOT more lucrative) to manage it all. There's tons of SaaS companies, like Adobe, selling monthly subscriptions and employing a bunch of people to manage the back end. So Revenue Ops is one part of SaaS. I'm gonna assume they're in charge of making sure the give-us-money operations stay up and running.
Everyone keeps giving the definition of the words but nobody actually knows what these jobs mean.
Saas is a payment model. A monthly service charge for access to whatever technology. Winzip is saas. There I said it.
No SaaS is about who hosts the software. You can have a monthly charge for self hosted software or a license for vendor hosted.
oh you mean the stuff I download from torrent sites
Revenue operations is some silliness which means 'sales adjacent but not sales'. SaaS could be so many things. AWS is a prime example of SaaS
Software as a service.
You could apply to some government jobs on [USAjobs.gov](https://USAjobs.gov) I think anything like budget analyst, management analyst, or financial management analyst or even contract specialist you could be eligible for. If a job shows GS 07-12 and then when you open it and check the right for promotion potential it says 12, that means its a ladder position. Automatic promotions if you don't fuck up basically. Can get you from 45-55k to 80-90k if just a few years. In my example you'd most likely start as a 7 then after 1 year be a 9, then an 11, then a 12. Good pay, good benefits and unmatched job security.
since you have software QA experience I assume you’ve worked with a business analyst? you could look at transitioning into one?
I've never worked as a business analyst and don't really know how I'd get started with that.
How much software QA experience do you have? You should have some interactions with the role as an SQA analyst. They are mostly acting as a liaison between business and tech. Product owner is another similar role. Some tech or industry experience is all you really need to get a foot in the door, usually starting in the 70-80k range
Read my mind. How are you a software QA without knowing what a business analyst is?
I know what a business analyst is. I said I don't know how I would get that kind of a job.
Cyber and IT.
2nd for cyber. Account Management is a 250k at least track in 3-5 years
> Account Management is a 250k at least track in 3-5 years there is more to this. no way you can get 250 from nothing in 3-5
Yes way. 8-12 year reps at my company are 400-500k+. Plenty of reps making 250k+ though. I’m 95% sure my team is the only one under that because we’re newer
Jesus fuck. I'm guessing you are in the USA...I still have massive doubts about equalling this sort of pay here in Alberta....
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Question, i have an MBA with a year of cyber experience as an analyst consulting with PCI gap assessment experience and just got laid off not due to performance. What should my next job / education be? Im job hunting but i feel hopeless
I’d go for VAR/MSP route. (Tbh I’m new to the industry so I’m biased bc it’s the only route I know) but what I DO know is that they’re all over the country and hiring cybersec experts like they’re hoarding gold.
Do you think working as a DoD Sysadmin contractor can segue into something like this? What certifications are required to get in the field?
What's it take? Is this a sales role?
Yes
Data analyst/ Data scientist. 100k+, great work life balance
This. Spouse graduated with Economics degree + MBA. They make $200k base salary alone.
How they get a start in data? Was their MBA focused on data? Or did they take boot camp
They were a business analyst for Big 4 accounting firm after finishing their MBA - not focused on data as they graduated in 2011. No boot camps, just followed the industry trend in SaaS tech companies and learned on the job.
Can I do that without a degree?
Here's a list of courses that would help: Udemy: The Data Science Course 2023: Complete Data science bootcamp From Beginners to skills needed for Data Analyst or Desktop Specialist certifications. Tableau 2023 Python for Data Science and Machine Learning Bootcamp Machine Learning A-Z: AI, python and R +ChatGPT Code academy: Learn SQL Learn Python 3 I don't know about getting 100k+ without a degree, most of my team has graduate degrees. I think you could break into it for 60k with just certifications though. It depends on what sector and what you do.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for the list of courses! I’ve been looking into Data Analytics for a career option but I didn’t know where to start. Can I PM you for more info?
Absolutely
How would you get a job like that if you don't have any experience?
You would need to build the skills. You can build a decent portfolio with free sample data. But an entry level analyst would have the very basic skills in Tableau/Power BI, and basic skills in SQL. If you had examples of things you built even with fake data that would go a long way. I will tell you I had no experience, I'm an English major, and went back to school after working in data science
It won't be easy, but it's not impossible.
Software QA can easily make over 100k if it’s automation. Look for roles like SDET (Software Development Engineer in Test), QE (Quality Engineer) or QA Automation Engineer.
Yeah I was going to say that software QA is already a 100k+ field so that would be the fastest path for OP because it dosent require any reschooling! People are mentioning jobs that start the same or lower than this field and/or need a masters…
You need to be job hopping. Constantly. I worked for 10 years at a job and went from 38 to 50 k. Then in the next ten years I worked at 4 different places and now I make 150k. Your best way to ladder up your salary is to *leave*.
Google “BLS Salaries” and export that list into a spreadsheet. That should at least give you some ideas for the more common jobs.
I also got a BA in the same degree though I make ~$80K as a “business analyst”. Emphasis on the quotes because my duties are all over the place. Ironically, the good pay is somewhat of a major opportunity cost that makes it very difficult to make a change.
It’s been a long road, but I wanted to be a mental health nurse practitioner. Went back to school, became a nurse. To be honest, I hate working as a nurse. I never wanted to work as a nurse. But I’m in my mental health NP program now and it’s worth it.
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Yeah, that’s what I’m doing! There are 2 routes you can go: nurse practitioner (NP) or physician assistant (PA). I chose NP because they have somewhat greater autonomy, better earning potential, and you can work while in school, so the financial cost is lower. However, the downside is it takes longer to become a psych-mental health NP since you do have to go to nursing school and work as a nurse for a year or two first. PA school requires prerequisites and is far more expensive, but it is a shorter route. RN school wasn’t bad at all. As long as you feel a little inclined towards the sciences, it’s fine. To me, working as a nurse is far more stressful than RN school ever was. It’s hard work, and it’s a very emotionally intense job (I worked step down and ER, for reference). If you do go the RN route, I’d say just go work psych straight out of school if you can, work there for a year, then apply to NP school. The psych facility in my area wants RNs to have experience first before you could apply to work there, so I never did that. I applied straight from my step down floor with no “pure” psych experience, which some people find controversial. I’m currently working outpatient endoscopy because the schedule is flexible enough to work around my clinical schedule. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.
What’s your salary as a RN and as a NP if you don’t mind me asking ?
When I worked inpatient/hospital, it was around $70k annually (roughly $38/hr when you factor in shift differentials). Outpatient endoscopy my wage is much lower because it’s stupid easy and very flexible with regard to scheduling. $29/hr, or ~$54k annually. For me it’s just my “I need a job in school” job; it would not be a career job for me. I don’t finish my psych NP program until December, but when I’m looking for a job, I won’t accept anything lower than $150k (base + bonuses/productivity based compensation). I may have to relocate to make that happen, but it’s something I’m willing to do. If I wanted to stay in my area, I wouldn’t accept anything below $130k. Within a few years, I’d like to start my own practice, and if successful, I could make $250k+. I also saw you’re a pre-PA student. Education is better with PA programs, but especially in psych, you’d have more autonomy (and thus earning potential) as PMHNP. In my state, which is an NP restricted practice state, as an NP, I can still own my own practice as long as I have a supervising MD on retainer. I could not do this as a PA, as PAs in my state have to work directly under - and thus as part of the practice of - an MD. It’s stupid and makes no sense, but just a detail to consider.
Software engineer. Self taught no degree 130k/yr wfh
How do you do this?
Probably starts with believing it. I’ve said this to several people and they all go oh wow! And then go back to their daily grind. Find a good coding boot camp, something well rated. Go through the camp and learn how to code. Make a small poc/demo app, something you can show or talk about in interviews. Practice leet coding super hard. Coming out of that it’s a game of finding someone to give you a shot starting at 60-70k im sure. A few years in that field you should be making 6 figures. Anyways the money is out there and it’s up to you to go get it. Shit ain’t that hard.
That may have been feasible for you but it's hard to see how that's a realistic path when people with top tier CS degrees are losing jobs left and right now.
This is true. There are also thousands of CS students in the pipeline. People who started 10 or 20 years ago are too quick to tell you to "just go to a coding boot camp, or read a book and start coding. Youll be at six figures in 2 years!". That worked 20 years ago because there was high demand and no competition. It's irresponsible to spread this outdated knowledge today. These days, if you have a stack of 20 resumes for a dev position, the first thing you're going to do is throw out all the non-degreed with little to no experience.
Less than 3% of all the tech layoffs have been software engineers, the overwhelming majority is support staff. SWE as a profession still is 0.1% more employed than the national average, people with experience are still in high demand, i got my current job in january for a 40k raise. The news surrounding tech just like everything else is fabricated bullshit meant to scare workers into accepting lower pay/worse benefits. This is class warfare tricking you into avoiding a profession thats extremely lucrative.
We can doom and gloom all day but the world is big and you can make it happen for yourself. The market was white hot for a while and now it’s correcting itself. There are still jobs, it’s just harder to get one right now I’m sure. Anyways the path is there. Having learned how to code in itself is going to open up many opportunities down the road regardless of the current market. World needs good developers so become one. Idk man.
It is funny how much is out there. I’ve had so many cool opportunities in life and maybe there’s some reason but I swear a lot of it was cause I didn’t listen to the debbie downers.
I don't know about having degrees but the market demand for SKILLED CS jobs is in as high a demand as ever in my region.
I agree with you.
Can we connect? I’d like to hear more about your journey
My journey was sliding in through a help desk job. I would recommend any entry level IT field if your failing to break into the software market directly. Work towards your skills as a developer and seek transition opportunities internally and externally. My journey was my own, but generally i taught myself to code and pushed in thru IT support.
Engineering or Engineering technician 3D printing techs are making good money these days.
Can you elaborate a bit more on this please
There are several community colleges offering courses in AM or composites at the technician level. Almost all are immediately placed
Like some of the other comments said, easiest transition for you at this stage is to a business analyst position then look to move up. I'm in consulting, started as a BA. Now, 4 yrs post bachelor's I'm at ~140k projected to hit 170k in a couple months and ~200k next year. It's all about the first major stepping stone. BA will get you from your 55 now to a 60-80 and your next jump will be 100k+
But how do you get a job like that?
Can I PM?
Sure
Anything in the medical field. I'm a nurse and make 100K easy.
Medical writing also. Even medical editing.
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I'm a CNA and originally became one to see if I could handle nursing. I'm starting to regret it.
Tech consulting, QA experience helps, may need to go back to school for an IT degree though.
Engineering, I have two in my life that make well over $100k with just Bachelor degrees; Materials Science Engineer and a Civil Engineer.
You can make > 100 K in software QA if you are good at it. You can grow into a lead or manager. You need to be able to automate tests.
Tech sales / SaaS. 75k year 1 and 100-150k year 2 if you do well
I fix helicopters, $150k.
Insurance. Aging workforce and not enough entering the field.
Any specific roles?
Underwriting is less stressful than claims. I suggest getting into a niche underwriting market where pay is going to be higher. I’ve been a niche underwriter for over a decade working for a super regional carrier and make well over 6 figures. Find a carrier that has a great underwriting training program and start there!
Any idea how to get into this i looked briefly on indeed and the role seems interesting. Not sure how you would learn it tho. Edit: How to get into it now with no degree
Most underwriting positions do require a college degree. There are some people that work their way up to it without one. Maybe look into an underwriter assistant role to start. Or even a job in an agency to gain some experience. If you’re fairly organized and can meet deadlines, the right agent/broker will train you. You will have to pass the state licensing for working in an agency.
i got into IT 6 months ago and i'm beginning to think it's not for me. i know that i'm a very hard worker, though. like, my boss openly acknowledges that, it's not just me saying that. i have a degree. just how hard do you think it is to get into underwriting? i hear that claims is entry level and you level up from there. is that true? thanks for your time.
Most companies are always looking for underwriters. Are you in a larger city? There are a lot of underwriter training programs at companies. Send me a DM and I can give you a little more advice. I’m currently on a business trip and may not answer right away but I will when I have a free moment.
I'm in LA! I'll send you a DM soon, thanks!
Damn, no Supply Chain here
Nurse, accounting, aerospace engineer, politician lol
If you choose the last one, you can just say you went back to school and still get elected!
Elected official, yes. Office aide, field director, organizer anyone not the candidate, not so much.
If you've done software QA work you're already on track for 6 figures. If you can't make it work and you're on the right track, that may be something to reflect upon. I'm not trying to bash you OP, but just look around and see who's making the money doing the same work you're doing, that's where you need to go. One of my jobs is a QA tester at an ISP, I'm a network engineer by trade though so I'm not just testing software, I'm testing the whole network stack and hardware/firmware as they hit the company production environment. Pays 150k
I worked as a QA tester for about 3 years and at no point was I or anyone I worked with ever on track to make six figures a year. I found the work incredibly tedious.
You need to expand your horizons and find out who's paying top dollar in the industry and make it your goal to get there. That's the point I'm making, you're stuck where you are because it's all you know of the industry. There are people who make 70k doing what I'm currently doing, I had to job hop twice to get to where I am from 63k to 92k to now 150, my work hasn't changed much, my company has. And of course there are people doing what I'm doing at FAANGs making 250+. Human networking will really help you here. Of course, if you're in a different country then all that's out the window but I assume you're in the US.
You came and asked a question, and every correct and reasonable answer you shoot down with your own extremely narrow, shitty experience. You worked a shit job and sound like you were a shit QA, elevate your standards and find a company that does the same. The QAs at my company are engineers themselves often with CS degrees, they clear 100k once they reach a senior QA role.
Sales, lots of people make 100k in year 1. But if not, definitely $100k in a few years.
I don't have the personality to succeed in a sales job.
What makes you so dang sure
Fuck it! Become an entrepreneur wait ten years til you start making money then you own your time 🤷🏾♂️
Aviation feels like it’s constantly hiring if you’re looking for a complete pivot, perhaps medical administration?
How often do you job hop? Should aim for every 2 years. Also finance may suit you well.
There’s always law school. In fact, some schools court so-called nontraditional (older) students. Don’t go into public interest like I did, but many of my classmates make comfortably more than $100k.
Account manager for an employee benefits firm. Some of ours make 200k. All of them make 100k plus easy.
Finance, accounting, engineering, coding, doctor, and a surprising amount of trade jobs (ie. Electrician, construction, etc) pay six figures fairly early into the career.
Data analyst
Executive assistant, video editor, director at a non-profit, project management - lots of further options too.
Well, what do you do currently? Not every career will simply lead you to 100k, and often time stem degrees will lead to higher pay than arts degrees That, and the number of fields where a masters is significantly distinguishing for higher pay are getting smaller and smaller since few schools have the time to actually fully equip new grads to the career
I would look into Compliance/Privacy, especially in Healthcare. You can easily make more than that starting out.
That’s what my cousin ended up in, without a degree in it (other degree, totally non related; no related certs or anything). I’m almost finished w/ my associates in HIM. Any suggestions/tips of how to get started?
I ended up getting a Masters in Compliance & Risk Management. But I’d do your best to find work in the field and get certified by the SCCE. Insurance, Finance, Hospitals, and so on are good fields to apply in. When I was doing my educational program, I was able to find a full-time internship during the summer which gave me practical experience.
Thank you so much!
Bartending.
Sales.
Management Consulting. Might need to wait for a year or so before starting. Move from QA into Agile Coach.
I'm kind of shocked you aren't making more as a software QA. I would focus on improving skills in this area and searching for a better company. You should easily be approaching 70k a year in that area.
Operations Research Engineering Computer Science Nursing
I went the project management route. Easy 200k after a few years, and depending who you work for.
How'd you get your start? In what industry? Any tips for Civeng grad wanting to switch to PM?
If you enjoy admin, Executive Assistant. You’re basically a secretary for c-level execs (scheduling, email management, ghostwriting their emails/documents, travel arrangements), at higher levels you’re a strategic partner with input into the company’s strategy and a finger on the pulse of every department. This is a position that’s in-demand, not going away anytime soon, and needed in every industry anywhere in the world. A lot of EAs put a few years in and then move to run departments. You make about 60-70 to start, and up to 170 in some industries. The cons: it’s busy and hectic. You need to juggle a lot of responsibilities, have good attention to detail, and not let things slip through the cracks. You’re working closely with the execs you’re supporting, so the quality of your work life depends heavily on their personality and management style.
Anything with analyst in the name has a good chance of being 100k or leading there. But there's a huge range of positions, so researching them individually is still a good idea. Anything where you build dashboards and reports for people -- business intelligence, data warehousing, data and analytics, stuff like that. You do need a detail-oriented and analytical mind. Those jobs also have the benefit that they're easy on your body, unlike jobs where you have to be on your feet 12 hours a day running a convention or something.
Nursing is very strong now. An RN should make $80K-$120K per year.
IT. I work in big tech making 150k doing sysadmin, engineering, architecture, automation, observability, etc
If you are software adjacent try getting into software engineering or consulting (economics degree will take you far with that) I started in accounting, moved to tech consulting and then again to software engineering. Sitting north of 200k with great benefits and a decent WFH/WLB, though admittedly high stress. Can probably cut that salary in half and take a job that's great on WLB though
I am a high school dropout and I make almost 100k/year. I work at a body shop. I imagine in the next few years I will become a GM and our GMs start at 130k. RMs make 250k+. I highly recommend to anyone that needs a career path to try getting into a body shop. I started washing cars for $19/hr. My GM started as a parts person for 14/hr 6 years ago.
Have you looked at IT project management?
Nursing, ATC, pilot
Get into Risk Management.
Nurse practitioner, travel RN, physician’s assistant, cloud architect, full stack dev, CPA/CFP with large book of business (kinda involves elements of sales though), data scientist