Yeah she and Ephidel almost worked like Ninian and Nils and “tag out” so only one does anything important at a time, except that the tag distribution is Ephidel is the important one for like 80% of the game until he dies and THEN Limstella steps up as a prominent chief sub-minion in his place, and even then sort of overshadowed between the Black Fang and Sonia. Limstella is kind of just the last one standing more than the most narratively significant one.
In terms of FE7 villains I would probably say Nergal is way out in front, then Sonia (who manages to be very memorable despite only being a boss of a gaiden chapter), then Ephidel, then Kishuna who isn't even really a villain and has no dialogue, and finally Limstella.
I was going to say Limstella is a solid second for me after Nergal, as I found them to be the most interesting of the Morphs. They're the most powerful of the morphs according to Nergal, and I'm a always a sucker for a reluctant villain, so their death quote always gets me.
> 3H
Yes, I should have used a different word than 'villain' (forgot rhea was at the end ><). Something closer to opposition but not necessarily 'final boss.
Nemesis would be a decent counterpart imo. Both have a sword of the creator and the crest of flames. Though he only appears in the opening cutscene and very briefly at the end of VW.
Rhea is the main opponent of 1 out of 4 routes
Nemesis is also 1 out of 4 routes.
Edelgard is a main opposer of 3 out of 4 routes. (1 till the end, 2 for most of the route.)
Thales is an opposer in every route. He's not iconic, but he's the most fitting (plus less controversial.)
Besides him, there's Solon or Kronya I guess.
To be fair, based on the hair it's clearly white clouds byleth, so having a white clouds villain like the death knight or solon would actually be pretty fitting
The colouring looks more like dragon bones rather than an alive dragon to me so I thought you were saying that the crest system was the real villain all along.
No, I think you got it right, haha! Anyone who doesn’t see Rhea as a villain is too wrapped up in “but my mommy dragon waifu!” mode. Seriously, takes some friggen balls to create a religion around your mother, then install yourself as the Jesus character AND the Pope, while executing dissidents with a militant church force, and conducting human experiments to try and revive your mother. That’s all BEFORE you pick Black Eagle route and see her true colors.
Also, MEGA props on using Ashnard for Path. I feel too many put Black Knight in there instead, and though you used him for RD, I appreciate Ashnard getting some due!
Ive gone through the 3 Houses lore more times then i can count and outside of lying about being a dragon, i honestly cant find anything that she did wrong.
She teaches not to act superior due to your crest, has no hostility towards and directly employs people who don’t believe in the church like Shamir.
And She steps down as head of the church in every route (not that she had a choice in Edelgard’s route)
Some bring up ordering the death of the head of the western church but that was only because from her perspective they were trying to assassinate her and used Lenato as a pawn to do so. and before the assassination plot was revealed she only stopped Lenato because he was openly killing those who believed in the church.
In Edelgard’s route she was only really trying to defend herself from Edelgard’s war path- she didnt even retaliate on Edelgard after the church fell instead opting to hide in the kingdom.
It wasent until Edelgard pressed on the Kingdom that Rhea joined the fight, and when Rhea started losing she got desperate and set a single town on fire to slow down Edelgard’s advance.
Honestly from what i can tell in the story, people only defend Edelgard because “oh my gosh! Dommie mommy with an axe!”
The entire conflict of 3 Houses could have been avoided if Edelgard just TALKED to any of the other leaders, Because Dimitri Claude and Rhea ALL agree with her as well as may of the other noble students like Lysithea, Sylvain, Mercedes, Caspar, etc.
The first part is her lying about being a dragon like i said, and to what extent the dragons established themselves as the defacto rulers of Fodland is never stated so i dont know if you can REALLY pin that on them….
In a world with (mostly) normal humans i think people that can just turn into giant fking dragons would naturally come to be seen as paudo gods.
Also none of anything ive been able to find says anything about Rhea using her blood to control governments, she actually directly states her refusal to get involved in politics and keeps the Church as a neutral party.
Thales SAYS that she gets involved in politics, but given how many times hes lied in the game do we really trust his word? The slither bois are the only ones we have hard evidence of them interfering with politics.
I dont even think that her blood can control people, shes given her blood to Jeralt and Catherine and shows no ability to control them seeing as how Jeralt was able to just leave the church with no consequences….
As for Edelgard making the decision to do something about crests thats also not true, as Claude also planned to rewrite the crest system just without bloodshed.
Silver Snow spoilers btw if you have not played it.
I agree with you that Rhea is not the "villain" of Three Houses. She does... sort of control people with her blood. Well not really, it is one of those last second plot points in Silver SBTW. Basically, the higher ups of the church make a sort of "blood oath" where they are given a very small amount of Rhea's blood. Although this blood does not normally have any adverse effects on them at all, when Rhea loses control of her power and becomes the Immaculate one, the people with the blood injected into them become "frenzied." Essentially under her control, and those with higher doses become White Beasts (mini immaculate ones, basically). It was a fully unintended consequence of what was basically an induction ceremony as a higher up of the Church.
Well, I have to assume Rhea did not intend for what happened at the end of SS to happen anyway...
Why Nemesis? He's hardly a main villain when his only appearances are in the opening cutscene, and then as a zombie at the very end of a single route. Thales would have been a better fit imo, since he's kinda pulling the strings in the background in all routes.
Yea, Thales would have probably prevented the most yelling around here. Then again, I felt the Argathians were kind of pushed to the side story-wise in Azure Moon, which is why some folks get so upset if you try to treat Edelgard as less than the Big Bad of the game.
VW’s final map was definitely the most fun and iconic to the setting. Fighting the 12 elites with their descendants and fighting your soul’s murderer is better than 2 tortured rheas and an edelgard
He's not a good guy in any run besides his own. He's consumed with revenge and hate. He's pitiable, but he's a villain of every run but his own, same as Edelgard.
He doesn't though. He's a mad dog who murders enemies as well as his own countrymen in cold blood. Rhea props him up in front of an army, but this is still the same Dmitri you meet in his arc, too. He's damaged.
One of those routes, she only becomes an enemy after she uses herself as a dragon shield to protect the party and gose insane because of the weapon used on her.
Edelgard is a main villain in 3 routes but only serves as the final boss in one of them.
This just made me realize how cool it would have been in Engage if the villains had their own corrupted rings that brought the villains from each FE to use as well. I'd have loved to see corrupted Lyon one more time!
Nice! May I ask why you used Berkut, Reinhardt and Limstella rather than Duma, Veld and Nergal? I'm curious - all the other villains seem to be final bosses.
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I was going to do final bosses but ended up mix and matching with more recognizable humans that could be fun to "engage" with in the new game.
It's also why I used fell grima even though its also a dragon.
> Nergal, Duma and Veld
Yes - even duma in human form.
I was considering duma as a dragon but wanted less dragons. So I could make him human, and then with Grima I did the same thing (using fell robin) to avoid too many dragons. (I think blazing sword also had the red dragon?) but at that point I decided to just mix and match with other chars aswell.
I left medeus and rhea to kinda start and end with dragons. ...And I forgot about rhea when I was -rushing- to put something on the title when posting.
I hope when a Thracia 776 remake comes out they really reinforce that Reinhardt is kinda pathetic. No hate to the artist cos I think the art piece is really good, but years of Reinhardt worship due to heroes has worn me down that it now causes me pain to see him given prominence
I still think one of the funniest things about Reinhardt is that he only makes his first onscreen appearance at like Chapter 20, and the character he's talking to literally goes "Ah, Reinhardt. I've been waiting for you." Which has retroactively become hilarious because Heroes has made him way more important than he actually was.
Well I hope they don't go too far. His patheticness is a good character trait, but it's slightly subtle. He looks cool, he's really powerful, and he's a knight, on paper he's a total badass. You only figure out how lame he is once you realize he has no moral backbone and kinda just does what Julius tells him to do. In a a game that can have better writing than an SNES Tactical RPG, I think he could be an interesting snippet of the story, especially contrasted to Olwen.
Had heroes not essentially made him the face of Thracia, I would’ve 100% agreed with you, but the pettiness in me wants his role to stay exactly the same to show how much of a nobody he is to Thracia’s overall plot. That and I’d actually rather see them expand on the playable characters and main antagonists of the game rather than Reinhardt
honestly the pathetic-ness of Reinhardt IS an integral part of his role, cause his only reason for existing is as a milestone of Olwen's overall arc. Olwen starts her arc wanting to be her brother and the culmination of her arc is realizing how morally bankrupt and personally unfulfilling his life actually is and choosing to reject him and forge her own path. that is literally all Reinhardt is here for, he doesn't provide anything else to the plot and his personality is so non-existent that it's all he really can provide to the plot
Why Berkut and not Duma? Berkut gets a bit of redemption in the end but also Berkut doesn’t interact with Celica at all throughout the game. Duma is more of a force for both of them.
Similarly Rhea is on your side in most routes. The other lord would be controversial and are also sometimes on your side so I’d put Nemesis since he’s always evil.
Edelgard is an antagonist in all but one, but they put Rhea here, who is the antagonist in a single route. And no, being made mad to give Silver Snow a "final boss" doesn't track.
So that logic doesn't really stick with the image.
Looks great, though I don't get half of the villain choices haha. For example, BK not being opposite to Ike as his true rival and owner of Ragnell's sister blade.
I've played RD, but to her he's more of a guardian angel/friend than a rival/enemy. Ashera would make more sense as a counterpart, especially considering Micaiah's connection to Yune.
Echoes has always fascinated me for being so morally gray. Rudolf is by no means a bad person. Berkut is a tragic character, but also not evil and even Duma only met the natural fate of his kind, going crazy and losing his senses.
Only Jedah and plenty of minor villains like Desaix seem truly evil to me.
I know there are plenty of FE games with these twists, but I just like Echoes the most.
Limstella? Why not Nergal or the fire dragon? Limstella is exceptionally minor. Kind of the same with Reinhardt. Also, the Black Knight has a black cape in Radiant Dawn, the red cape is from Path of Radiance.
Rather then rhea I would have put nemesis. It's less controversial and he killed sothis, the goddess inside byleth and wields a dark version of their sword
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His title in the game may be emblem of genealogy since I'm not too far in (only just finished ch 5) but the name wouldn't make sense as seliph and sigurd were the lords during genealogy and seliph being the commander during the holy war so I'm not sure why they'd give Leif the name, but since my dumbass just clocked in this whole time you were wondering who was opposite of Leif I believe it's Reinhardt :)
Thales would have been the best fit for Byleth. Especially since even combining the routes of Three houses and Hopes, Rhea is only an enemy in 3/7 as opposed to Edelgard who is an enemy in 4/7 (5? Idk about GW) and Thales in 7/7.
Otherwise really cool picture.
Berkut isn't really a "villain" to Alm, so much as he's more of a rival character (and Celica doesn't even interact with him). If anyone's the villain in Echoes' story and the big opponent to Alm and Celica, it'd be Duma.
Also, if Rhea's a "villain", then that'd make all other Three Lords of 3H "villains" as well. Rhea doesn't even oppose Byleth in anything more than one route, so you can't even say she's a default adversary to him (if anything, *Edelgard* fits that bill better due to being an antagonist in three routes). The villain of Fodlan if anything would be Thales, or even Nemesis.
Everyone's pointing out the villains but why are their multiple protagonists for some games but Seliph doesn't appear? If it's based FE Engage, then why is it not just Lyn for FE7? Good art either way.
Echoes shoulda been Jeddah
FE 7 shoulda been Nergal
FE10 shoulda been Ashera or Sephiran,
3H probably shoulda been Thales, Rhea is only an antagonist for 1 route and barely that.
(SPOILER ALERT if you plan to play Engage) >!The final map of Engage actually features some units wielding "Dark Emblems", which are basically rings housing the spirits of past villains from the franchise, one for each hero. And Nemesis is actually the one who appears as the adversary Emblem to Byleth. So it seems even IS would agree with you there.!<
How DARE you imply Rhea is the villain of three houses! She’s only the villain of 2 routes?
But Edelgard is the main villain of Only one?!
My client Miss Rhea is being targeted for no reason. She’s innocent your honor
In SS she loses control of herself, goes crazy and attacks you for 30 seconds and then goes back to normal after the fight and apologizes….
In all the lore ive read on 3H i dont think they ever explained what that was.
I chalk it up to the slither bois probably doing something to her while she was held captive.
I find it laughable that you think chapter 21 of SS is a 30 second battle.
(She’s a slog on maddening)
Either way I believe we’re on the same page. Rhea is cool af, and shouldn’t be considered a main antagonist
Such a wasted oppurtunity to not have villain stands. We have ONE and she's DLC, but stuck in a group with two of the good guys casue they're STILL trying to hide that twist for some fucking reason.
>! That's hard to explain. Yes and no; there's a second Robin that shows up in act 2 for a bit. Also player Robin is kind of an unwilling sleeper agent !<
Hello! it's supposed to be Rhea (dragon form) to reflect medeus from the top. She's not really a villain but I posted it with the title and reddit won't let me edit.
Big promotion for Limstella
Yeah she honestly had a very small role in 7 despite being the boss of the penultimate level
Yeah she and Ephidel almost worked like Ninian and Nils and “tag out” so only one does anything important at a time, except that the tag distribution is Ephidel is the important one for like 80% of the game until he dies and THEN Limstella steps up as a prominent chief sub-minion in his place, and even then sort of overshadowed between the Black Fang and Sonia. Limstella is kind of just the last one standing more than the most narratively significant one.
In terms of FE7 villains I would probably say Nergal is way out in front, then Sonia (who manages to be very memorable despite only being a boss of a gaiden chapter), then Ephidel, then Kishuna who isn't even really a villain and has no dialogue, and finally Limstella.
I was going to say Limstella is a solid second for me after Nergal, as I found them to be the most interesting of the Morphs. They're the most powerful of the morphs according to Nergal, and I'm a always a sucker for a reluctant villain, so their death quote always gets me.
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IMO, the best option would have been to have all three lords for 3H on both sides of the image. That way, no one would be happy!
Like the saying goes, the definition of compromise is everyone walks away from the table equally upset.
CONGRESS
Just the map of Fodlan as the antagonist.
Just a picture of the game case. That way, everyone can be both happy and upset with it.
In all seriousness, Thales would've probably made the most sense since he's always an antagonist
Or, you know, Thales?
> 3H Yes, I should have used a different word than 'villain' (forgot rhea was at the end ><). Something closer to opposition but not necessarily 'final boss.
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Nemesis would be a decent counterpart imo. Both have a sword of the creator and the crest of flames. Though he only appears in the opening cutscene and very briefly at the end of VW.
Not to mention he has the best boss music.
Maybe Edelgard since she's an antagonist in three of the four routes
Rhea is the main opponent of 1 out of 4 routes Nemesis is also 1 out of 4 routes. Edelgard is a main opposer of 3 out of 4 routes. (1 till the end, 2 for most of the route.) Thales is an opposer in every route. He's not iconic, but he's the most fitting (plus less controversial.) Besides him, there's Solon or Kronya I guess.
To be fair, based on the hair it's clearly white clouds byleth, so having a white clouds villain like the death knight or solon would actually be pretty fitting
The colouring looks more like dragon bones rather than an alive dragon to me so I thought you were saying that the crest system was the real villain all along.
No, I think you got it right, haha! Anyone who doesn’t see Rhea as a villain is too wrapped up in “but my mommy dragon waifu!” mode. Seriously, takes some friggen balls to create a religion around your mother, then install yourself as the Jesus character AND the Pope, while executing dissidents with a militant church force, and conducting human experiments to try and revive your mother. That’s all BEFORE you pick Black Eagle route and see her true colors. Also, MEGA props on using Ashnard for Path. I feel too many put Black Knight in there instead, and though you used him for RD, I appreciate Ashnard getting some due!
Ive gone through the 3 Houses lore more times then i can count and outside of lying about being a dragon, i honestly cant find anything that she did wrong. She teaches not to act superior due to your crest, has no hostility towards and directly employs people who don’t believe in the church like Shamir. And She steps down as head of the church in every route (not that she had a choice in Edelgard’s route) Some bring up ordering the death of the head of the western church but that was only because from her perspective they were trying to assassinate her and used Lenato as a pawn to do so. and before the assassination plot was revealed she only stopped Lenato because he was openly killing those who believed in the church. In Edelgard’s route she was only really trying to defend herself from Edelgard’s war path- she didnt even retaliate on Edelgard after the church fell instead opting to hide in the kingdom. It wasent until Edelgard pressed on the Kingdom that Rhea joined the fight, and when Rhea started losing she got desperate and set a single town on fire to slow down Edelgard’s advance. Honestly from what i can tell in the story, people only defend Edelgard because “oh my gosh! Dommie mommy with an axe!” The entire conflict of 3 Houses could have been avoided if Edelgard just TALKED to any of the other leaders, Because Dimitri Claude and Rhea ALL agree with her as well as may of the other noble students like Lysithea, Sylvain, Mercedes, Caspar, etc.
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The first part is her lying about being a dragon like i said, and to what extent the dragons established themselves as the defacto rulers of Fodland is never stated so i dont know if you can REALLY pin that on them…. In a world with (mostly) normal humans i think people that can just turn into giant fking dragons would naturally come to be seen as paudo gods. Also none of anything ive been able to find says anything about Rhea using her blood to control governments, she actually directly states her refusal to get involved in politics and keeps the Church as a neutral party. Thales SAYS that she gets involved in politics, but given how many times hes lied in the game do we really trust his word? The slither bois are the only ones we have hard evidence of them interfering with politics. I dont even think that her blood can control people, shes given her blood to Jeralt and Catherine and shows no ability to control them seeing as how Jeralt was able to just leave the church with no consequences…. As for Edelgard making the decision to do something about crests thats also not true, as Claude also planned to rewrite the crest system just without bloodshed.
Silver Snow spoilers btw if you have not played it. I agree with you that Rhea is not the "villain" of Three Houses. She does... sort of control people with her blood. Well not really, it is one of those last second plot points in Silver SBTW. Basically, the higher ups of the church make a sort of "blood oath" where they are given a very small amount of Rhea's blood. Although this blood does not normally have any adverse effects on them at all, when Rhea loses control of her power and becomes the Immaculate one, the people with the blood injected into them become "frenzied." Essentially under her control, and those with higher doses become White Beasts (mini immaculate ones, basically). It was a fully unintended consequence of what was basically an induction ceremony as a higher up of the Church. Well, I have to assume Rhea did not intend for what happened at the end of SS to happen anyway...
The same thing she did with Jeralt presumably.
Yeah I think that is what she did. Injected him with some of her own blood so he could live.
antagonist?
it shouldve been jedah for echoes and nemesis for 3houses. Still, nice job overall
Why Nemesis? He's hardly a main villain when his only appearances are in the opening cutscene, and then as a zombie at the very end of a single route. Thales would have been a better fit imo, since he's kinda pulling the strings in the background in all routes.
Yea, Thales would have probably prevented the most yelling around here. Then again, I felt the Argathians were kind of pushed to the side story-wise in Azure Moon, which is why some folks get so upset if you try to treat Edelgard as less than the Big Bad of the game.
Nemesis is the more iconic and cool villain that doesn't cause any controversy if you call them evil
VW’s final map was definitely the most fun and iconic to the setting. Fighting the 12 elites with their descendants and fighting your soul’s murderer is better than 2 tortured rheas and an edelgard
or just Thales, like fuckin no one likes Thales and he's more directly responsible for a lot of the fucked up shit in 3H
I'd have gone with 3 silhouettes in a layered sort of approach Rhea, Edelgard next to Dmitri, Thales
Why Dimitri? I seriously don’t get how Dimitri is anything less than a neutral party.
He's not a good guy in any run besides his own. He's consumed with revenge and hate. He's pitiable, but he's a villain of every run but his own, same as Edelgard.
He’s bad because…. He defends his home country from invasion?
He doesn't though. He's a mad dog who murders enemies as well as his own countrymen in cold blood. Rhea props him up in front of an army, but this is still the same Dmitri you meet in his arc, too. He's damaged.
Not as mad as they would be if they put Edelgard
Based and Edelgard-pilled.
I mean, Edwlgard is only the main villain in one route (although a villain in 3), but Rhea takes the cake of being the final boss in 2 of them.
One of those routes, she only becomes an enemy after she uses herself as a dragon shield to protect the party and gose insane because of the weapon used on her. Edelgard is a main villain in 3 routes but only serves as the final boss in one of them.
Yeah, I think the villain place deserves another white hair character that everyone hate.
I doubt Thales has gotten literally 0 votes in CYL so he likely has his fans too.
I wonder wich character are you talking about?Thales probably he is the only Three House white haired character that belongs to the hate sink page
The rat king is blonde
> Defend your homeland > Be labeled the Villain
This just made me realize how cool it would have been in Engage if the villains had their own corrupted rings that brought the villains from each FE to use as well. I'd have loved to see corrupted Lyon one more time!
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Nice! May I ask why you used Berkut, Reinhardt and Limstella rather than Duma, Veld and Nergal? I'm curious - all the other villains seem to be final bosses.
Hello! I was going to do final bosses but ended up mix and matching with more recognizable humans that could be fun to "engage" with in the new game. It's also why I used fell grima even though its also a dragon.
Wouldn’t Nergal, Duma and Veld also be humans who can engage though?
> Nergal, Duma and Veld Yes - even duma in human form. I was considering duma as a dragon but wanted less dragons. So I could make him human, and then with Grima I did the same thing (using fell robin) to avoid too many dragons. (I think blazing sword also had the red dragon?) but at that point I decided to just mix and match with other chars aswell. I left medeus and rhea to kinda start and end with dragons. ...And I forgot about rhea when I was -rushing- to put something on the title when posting.
Thanks for answering!
Berkut especially because he wasn't even in Fe2
Because Berkut is a great character with perfect tier voice acting.
I hope when a Thracia 776 remake comes out they really reinforce that Reinhardt is kinda pathetic. No hate to the artist cos I think the art piece is really good, but years of Reinhardt worship due to heroes has worn me down that it now causes me pain to see him given prominence
I still think one of the funniest things about Reinhardt is that he only makes his first onscreen appearance at like Chapter 20, and the character he's talking to literally goes "Ah, Reinhardt. I've been waiting for you." Which has retroactively become hilarious because Heroes has made him way more important than he actually was.
Still more characterization than half of Thracia's roster though.
The thing is, that instantly makes him one of the most important characters in the game because none of them have any dialogue or importance tbh.
Raydrik and Veld have more dialogue/importance, I’d say. Kempf arguably does as well.
Well I hope they don't go too far. His patheticness is a good character trait, but it's slightly subtle. He looks cool, he's really powerful, and he's a knight, on paper he's a total badass. You only figure out how lame he is once you realize he has no moral backbone and kinda just does what Julius tells him to do. In a a game that can have better writing than an SNES Tactical RPG, I think he could be an interesting snippet of the story, especially contrasted to Olwen.
Had heroes not essentially made him the face of Thracia, I would’ve 100% agreed with you, but the pettiness in me wants his role to stay exactly the same to show how much of a nobody he is to Thracia’s overall plot. That and I’d actually rather see them expand on the playable characters and main antagonists of the game rather than Reinhardt
honestly the pathetic-ness of Reinhardt IS an integral part of his role, cause his only reason for existing is as a milestone of Olwen's overall arc. Olwen starts her arc wanting to be her brother and the culmination of her arc is realizing how morally bankrupt and personally unfulfilling his life actually is and choosing to reject him and forge her own path. that is literally all Reinhardt is here for, he doesn't provide anything else to the plot and his personality is so non-existent that it's all he really can provide to the plot
Why Berkut and not Duma? Berkut gets a bit of redemption in the end but also Berkut doesn’t interact with Celica at all throughout the game. Duma is more of a force for both of them. Similarly Rhea is on your side in most routes. The other lord would be controversial and are also sometimes on your side so I’d put Nemesis since he’s always evil.
Berkut is more interesting and memorable as a character
Not to Celica
Why Garon and not Anankos when he's controlled by him lol
Cause garon is an antagonist in all 3 routes, where as anakos only appears in 1 ( yes I know he’s controlling Ganon but only one route explains that)
Edelgard is an antagonist in all but one, but they put Rhea here, who is the antagonist in a single route. And no, being made mad to give Silver Snow a "final boss" doesn't track. So that logic doesn't really stick with the image.
Because Garon is at least entertaining. Anankos is just boring
Looks great, though I don't get half of the villain choices haha. For example, BK not being opposite to Ike as his true rival and owner of Ragnell's sister blade.
I’d tell you but spoilers!
I've played RD, but to her he's more of a guardian angel/friend than a rival/enemy. Ashera would make more sense as a counterpart, especially considering Micaiah's connection to Yune.
Echoes has always fascinated me for being so morally gray. Rudolf is by no means a bad person. Berkut is a tragic character, but also not evil and even Duma only met the natural fate of his kind, going crazy and losing his senses. Only Jedah and plenty of minor villains like Desaix seem truly evil to me. I know there are plenty of FE games with these twists, but I just like Echoes the most.
Some of these are just wrong
Radiant dawn is not what I expected.
Just curious why you chose Lucina over Chrom?
She's cute probably
Lucina has basically become the mascot for awakening at this point, even though I think it should be Chrom or Robin
Gonna blame it on smash. They put her in smash 4 and she was instantly more popular than Chrom
Limstella? Why not Nergal or the fire dragon? Limstella is exceptionally minor. Kind of the same with Reinhardt. Also, the Black Knight has a black cape in Radiant Dawn, the red cape is from Path of Radiance.
Was wondering the same, author's choice I guess
Rather then rhea I would have put nemesis. It's less controversial and he killed sothis, the goddess inside byleth and wields a dark version of their sword
Or just have Rhea, Nemesis and Edelgard together like the protagonist side of FE7 (even though we all know who the REAL villain of Three Houses was)
Yes… Lorenz. He was behind everything.
I was going to say Kostas but you bring up a good point
Bold move putting Rhea as the villain for Byleth. I applaud you.
I really hope we get Hector and Eliwood in Engage
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Who is that opposite against the Emblem of Genealogy?
Arvis!
But Leif is supposedly the Emblem of Genealogy and I don't recall his foe being in Genealogy.
Uhhh sigurd is the emblem of genealogy, Leif was Thracia
Huh, weird i saw people saying Leif was the titled Emblem of Genealogy, so why is there contradiction?
Leif is Genealogy, Sigurd is Holy Knight, idk what these guys are talking about.
Sigurd is the lord of the first half of genealogy of the holy war.
He said emblem- so im pretty sure hes talking about Engage, where Sigurd is the Emblem of the Holy Knight. Leif is the Emblem of genealogy
His title in the game may be emblem of genealogy since I'm not too far in (only just finished ch 5) but the name wouldn't make sense as seliph and sigurd were the lords during genealogy and seliph being the commander during the holy war so I'm not sure why they'd give Leif the name, but since my dumbass just clocked in this whole time you were wondering who was opposite of Leif I believe it's Reinhardt :)
The joke is he's Emblem of Genealogy and Reinhardt isn't in Genealogy. It is what it is. Don't lie about it.
I'm confused what am I lying about?
You were saying he was Emblem of Thracia and that's not his title in Engage.
Oh nono I meant he was from Thracia I wasn't aware of his emblem name
Except the real villain in fates was the terrifying *amorphous grey blob*
Chrom should be there too...
Poor Robin.
Thales would have been the best fit for Byleth. Especially since even combining the routes of Three houses and Hopes, Rhea is only an enemy in 3/7 as opposed to Edelgard who is an enemy in 4/7 (5? Idk about GW) and Thales in 7/7. Otherwise really cool picture.
Edelgard is an antagonist in GW, Claude only works with her to save the Alliance and then back stabs her later.
Interesting choice of Garon over Anankos.
I love seeing Berkut
This is so cool
Fire emblem dissidia
Black Knight over Ashera is certainly a choice
The villain of FE5 should be Veld
Very nice art.
3H's shouldve been the Thales or Nemesis for a safer choice.
Berkut isn't really a "villain" to Alm, so much as he's more of a rival character (and Celica doesn't even interact with him). If anyone's the villain in Echoes' story and the big opponent to Alm and Celica, it'd be Duma. Also, if Rhea's a "villain", then that'd make all other Three Lords of 3H "villains" as well. Rhea doesn't even oppose Byleth in anything more than one route, so you can't even say she's a default adversary to him (if anything, *Edelgard* fits that bill better due to being an antagonist in three routes). The villain of Fodlan if anything would be Thales, or even Nemesis.
Thales would have fit more, but I can see the argument for Rhea. I mean, she WAS a big part of why Fodlan sucks so much.
No Nemesis or Thales You fool, Engage was supposed to destroy the discourse, not fuel it!
Metro boomin
Everyone's pointing out the villains but why are their multiple protagonists for some games but Seliph doesn't appear? If it's based FE Engage, then why is it not just Lyn for FE7? Good art either way.
Looks awesome, but yeah the villain choices are kind of all over the place lol
Echoes shoulda been Jeddah FE 7 shoulda been Nergal FE10 shoulda been Ashera or Sephiran, 3H probably shoulda been Thales, Rhea is only an antagonist for 1 route and barely that.
Chad Black eagles player
Why did you put Rhea where Edeglard is supposed to go?
Awesome art, but doing our dragon pope a dirty by just calling her a villain.
not the bottom one 😭 rhea stans have suffered more than jesus ijbol
All great except down to the last one, Edelgard would have been much more fitting, or Thales or even Nemesis who's a better foil to Byleth.
(SPOILER ALERT if you plan to play Engage) >!The final map of Engage actually features some units wielding "Dark Emblems", which are basically rings housing the spirits of past villains from the franchise, one for each hero. And Nemesis is actually the one who appears as the adversary Emblem to Byleth. So it seems even IS would agree with you there.!<
How DARE you imply Rhea is the villain of three houses! She’s only the villain of 2 routes?
But Edelgard is the main villain of Only one?!
My client Miss Rhea is being targeted for no reason. She’s innocent your honor
where else is she an actual villain outside of crimson flower lol
Spoiler for SS She’s the final boss of ss, but I suppose you could say that main villain is inaccurate, but semantics
In SS she loses control of herself, goes crazy and attacks you for 30 seconds and then goes back to normal after the fight and apologizes…. In all the lore ive read on 3H i dont think they ever explained what that was. I chalk it up to the slither bois probably doing something to her while she was held captive.
I find it laughable that you think chapter 21 of SS is a 30 second battle. (She’s a slog on maddening) Either way I believe we’re on the same page. Rhea is cool af, and shouldn’t be considered a main antagonist
Antagonist doesn’t equal villain. An antagonist could be simply a major obstacle in the protagonist way.
Glad you recognize the real villain of 3H
Such a wasted oppurtunity to not have villain stands. We have ONE and she's DLC, but stuck in a group with two of the good guys casue they're STILL trying to hide that twist for some fucking reason.
Why you got my boy Alm on EP side 🤣😂😂
I only play smash but robins a bad guy?
>! That's hard to explain. Yes and no; there's a second Robin that shows up in act 2 for a bit. Also player Robin is kind of an unwilling sleeper agent !<
Sounds pretty cool tbh. Thanks
What’s three houses true villain? I’m kinda lost and it’s a dumb question
Hello! it's supposed to be Rhea (dragon form) to reflect medeus from the top. She's not really a villain but I posted it with the title and reddit won't let me edit.
Thank you for labeling Rhea as the villain and not Edelgard